/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7571658
All the good indies are burried in the /wvt/ thread. I’m still mad I missed out on Mint

>>7571658
She would be way more successful if she's in Hololive, and I don't mean the numbers, well, I mean the numbers and other things too, Niji has weak brand power and the big senpais in JP branch are ignoring them.

>>7571804
So literally just the numbers.

>>7571804
>and I don't mean the numbers, well, I mean the numbers

>>7571804
Chihiro loves it when she's in her chat tho.

>>7571804
I think we need to physically destroy Cover for the good of whole Vtubers industry . Hololive really fucked up perception on success of Vtuber and this effect every vtubers that are not Holo.

>>7571658
that's showbiz for you. only so much of the pie to go around and indies are always just trying to catch the crumbs the big corpos leave

>>7571804
>the big senpais in JP branch are ignoring them
Anon, if you know anything about Nijisanji Koshien you know that isn't true. Even without that, Mito's given them some attention and she's one of the biggest.

Why does NijiEN have such shit numbers though?
I see you faggots talking about this shitters like they actually matter and yet they all have Anya numbers.
Get back to me when they are actually relevant and a threat.

>>7571804
hololive already got her, she literally just ollie.

Is this the new Nijinigger you are shilling now?
I take it the Pomu spam didn't work?

>>7572891
They're making 10x what they made as indies, who gives a shit if they don't match the fucking unassailable juggernaut of the market. For literally anyone who isn't Hololive they're doing great.
Also
>and a threat
Its not a fucking war. In one but Holofag schizos here thinks they're trying to kill Hololive or some shit.

>>7572978
Niji and their cancerous fanbase has tried everything to put Hololive out of business, yes it is a fucking war, faggot.

>>7572953
She's alright as a vtuber. It's just the nijii debuff that generates drama

>>7572953
Anon, when people like a vtuber them making a thread on the board for discussing vtuber about them isn't inherently shilling. I know this might be hard to understand, because I assume you spend all day shitposting and jerking off over numbers rather than actually discussing vtubers, but other people aren't all like that.

>>7573003
You don't even know Japanese

>>7573003
lol. Go back to sleep SEAnig-chama. Find an actual cause to fight for, something that matters in real life.

>>7573021
It's only shilling when it's not Hololive

>>7573021
>spam this ugly chink on all hololive threads
>spam several threads despite none of them being nowhere near the bump limit.
You Nijiniggers are not very good at hiding your spam though.

>>7573088
I don't go in Hololive threads, I wouldn't know about the first point nor do I particularly care.
Making multiple threads is not spam.

>>7571658
moe has been doing this for 5 years and shes still relatively unknown in the west,

keep grinding lol

>>7572927
she's bad at the video game though maybe not chess, but i have yet to watch those streams

>>7573088
>holoboard gets mogged by like, 3 nijichads
woefully pitiful if true

>>7571690
This.
All the good indies are just buried in /wvt/ with bad rigs, bad models or just simply barely any attention paid to them until they join a bigger agency or so.

>>7572115
hololive has always been destroying the vtuber industry since 2019, most of the others already distanced themselves from it.

>>7573109
I actually watched moe for the first time last night. She seems nice, even if half the stream was about youtube analytics. Her mom sounds like an asshole though.

>>7571658
More exposure via Nijisanji and this character design suits her craze and energy more. The sync factor does make a difference, not that the previous iteration was unpleasant.

>>7572115
>>7573274
> this effect every vtubers that are not Holo.
That's a good thing. Political streamer whore SJW identity politics vtwitters posing as vtubers need not apply. Keep that trash out of Vtubing.

>>7573352
It sure sucks to live in a world where you're either in Hololive or a western whore SJW tranny communist

>>7571658
She was on Twitch and to succeed there as a vtuber you generally need to lean really hard on the coomer bait. There's some that don't and if she got a break she could have maybe been a Vienna-type streamer with a 1k-ish audience but it's hard to break out of the low-view ghetto if you don't know anyone and have no means of increasing your discoverability.

>>7573352
Holy shit way to miss the point kek.

>>7573352
>That's a good thing. Political streamer whore SJW identity politics vtwitters posing as vtubers need not apply. Keep that trash out of Vtubing.

lol, I don't even have words to portray the stupidity in this post

>>7573425

this >>7573352 post really proves why hololive and their fanbase need to be destroyed

>>7571804
Cool, she's still fortunate enough to make a good living doing what she loves. The rest is just tribalfagging and console war bullshit

>>7573590
i dont watch hololive but at gunpoint i'd rather pick hololive than western whore sjw tranny communist vtubers

>>7573352
Unironically this. Just look at Vshojo what it leads to otherwise

>>7573651
Vshojo was pretty close to being absolute trash. Good thing the cancer didn't spread.

>>7573003
Maybe don't stream copyrighted material to get an edge over others people lol. But of course you're SEAnig and have no concept of Intellectual property just like the Soda clipper

>>7573693
That's kinda weird. Just use a personal account instead of your entertainer account.

>>7573771
it's amazing how people dont do that.

>>7571658
Popularity and talent are basically unrelated
You have countless indies as good as here with number from 5 to 30
Not having a good model also turns off ton of people, but in the first place no one get "exposed" to those indies in the first place since they' don't spend all day going trough noviews indies on twitch and youtube

>>7571804
She's better off with Niji since she can just demonitize her stream and play most games that she wishes to play. Crapcom probably didn't want their sad excuse of a RE4 port to be publicized so they probably disallowed Selen from being able to continue streaming it.

Thankfully we still got things out of it like Onimusha.

>>7573645
you missed my point,

you are looking a boogyman that doesn't exist,
most of thesse "sjw vtubers"
don't exist.
fake accounts made by people like hero hei that make shit up for views.

>>7571658
It's a simple fact of exposure, making it as an independent streamer is very luck based. When you're in a place that can promote you and put eyes on you you can build a base due to skill as an entertainer more than luck.

>>7573651

morals don't exist retard.
you think cover cares about morality?

before 2019 they were whoring themselves to chinks and willing to do hlive streams on bilibili,
they want to stay clean now to get a bigger audience now that they are already big, you idiots don't realize that at the start of hololive's career they were just like vshojo if not worse,

but this whole board is full of retarded newfag r/hololive retards who only found out about vtubers yesterday through clips so yeah

>>7573914
This entire post reads like a newfag desperately wanting to be known as an oldfag.
>morals don't exist
Edgy.wx42y

>>7572115
>We need to uniroincally bomb a building because you can't handle your Oshi getting MOGGED by Hololive ID numbers nevermind the big finish
Utterly tragic. Think of the plus side, Ame might throw them a bone and collab sometime, she remembers what being below the main grade was like.

>>7574012
"Morals don't exist" is an incredibly edgy statement no one with sense would agree with, but the rest of his post isn't wrong. Anyone who believes Hololive's restrictions are from any sort of moral stance rather than some corporate suits thinking they're easier to sell that way is genuinely retarded.
It's all about money. Cover's a corporation, of course it is.

>>7574198
Funnily enough you dont see anyone at Hololive collabing with anyone below them at all.

>>7573848
Are Nijiniggers so lost and bitter towards hololive that they'd rather align with and defend tranny sjw vtubers? Jesus Christ guys...our content isn't that different, you don't need to go full Vshoujo and want your Oshi to collab with that freakshow Zen.

>>7574223
>you dont see anyone at Hololive collabing with anyone below them at all.
Ina with pika
Mori with Mouse
Countless Jap examples but I'm guessing you're EOP.

>>7574355
You mean people who are already big? Im talking about 100 views indies and the like.

>>7574223
Almost every Azki 3D concert features multiple small-time Vtuber singer indies. Then again she was pretty much an indie within the company itself until very recently, kek.

>>7574391
You said below them at all, Mouse and Pika are significantly below both of them. Just because vshoujo need to network with 20 viewer tubahs because keeping the networking at hololive/nijisanji is hard doesn't mean they should too just to fit in lol.

>>7573848
>"don't exist."
>open up reddit, discord or twitter
>they are all virtue signalling again randomly accusing people of being nazi sexist racists misogynists
>tfw they are actual mentally ill twitch vthots with no viewers begging for attention
>close social media and go back to 4chan

>>7574527
Wow nice story of things that you definitely did and saw anon.

>>7574543
That happened, just like how this windmill is a dragon I swear

>>7571658
>skilled at games
apex needs no skill
>entertaining
laughing constantly is not entertainment
>charismatic
laughing constantly is not charisma

>>7573771
you can't indoctrinate kids with regular accounts

>>7574683
I don't think Zen's target audience is children.

>>7574760
Think of the children though, we have to reign in these loose moralled sluts.

>>7574760
neither is call of duty or gta and we all know what happens

>>7574632
>apex needs no skill

where does this sentiment come from

>>7571658
text doesnt match the picture, op

>>7575314
but does the carpet match the drapes?

>>7575171
muh elite shooty game has abilities so it's for babies, probably

>>7571658
>Why was she so unknown as an indie?
Because she was an indie, that's normal

>>7571804
>idollive

>>7571804
>and I don't mean the numbers
No, you're literally only talking about the numbers

>>7573693
>Immediately threw his morals under the bus when it jeopardized his career
Should have been a monkey instead of a dragon. Dance monkey dance.

>>7576835
?
You can (rightfully) complain about him bringing politics in, but what makes you think he's throwing his morals away? Has he given any indication his politics were different than those posts indicate?

>>7573003
proof

>>7571658
I watched her for the first time yesterday and I almost cringed to death.
Too bad I'm not a big fan of american accent.

>>7578808
>american

>>7571658
She attracts a cancerous pepe posting twitch crowd

based

>>7571658
She's just a young tryhard trash talking gamer. There's a million of those she just happens to be female. Not that special man.

>>7571658
>Why was she so unknown as an indie?
There is a LOT of indie gold out there if you go and look. The question is always if you have the time to go through the ocean to find that pearl.

>>7571804
>the big senpais in JP branch are ignoring them.
They talk about them constantly, they can't talk to them because they don't understand English.
Oliver is like the only one who has any chance in hell at appearing on their streams and he's trying to get AWAY from the EOP audience.

>>7581334
It's that fake laugh that makes her special.

>>7578905
You holofags need to stop saying this, I've been to every one of her streams since debut and that "community" and "culture" isn't present there. Face it, she's way more entertaining than your holochicks.
>>7571804
More successful but far more boring. It's funny how Niji EN is more entertaining than Holo EN despite "oh no small numbers." If it wasn't for Sachi and Senza no one would care about Holo En.
>>7571658
She was unknown as an indie because she kind of kept to herself compared to Mint for example.

>>7578808
I don't think you know what americans sound like, anon.
>>7581520
None of them ignore her or the other branch, there's literal hundreds of Niji JP, the "top" even shoutted them out plenty of times, Selen can't communicate in Japanese compared to Elira, so of course they won't collab properly yet. Why are people so dumb, is american education that bad that common sense has to be taught?

>>7581520
>he's trying to get AWAY from the EOP audience.
I wouldn't say that. I think he's just not confident in his English and doesn't plan to speak it most of the time, so he doesn't want to get people's hopes up. He still speaks it a decent amount and responds to English comments.

I'm waiting

>>7581652
>She was unknown as an indie because she kind of kept to herself compared to Mint for example.
She was actually just kinda bad at leeching/networking. One thing you see a lot of if you look at her past life is her trying to leverage her shooter skills and whatnot into making friends more internet famous than her etc. She just wasn't very good at it.

>>7573264
People posting also do a poor job of marketing, hype and explaining why people should watch them. Posting a link without a thumbnail and brief advert is a recipe for irrelevance. Only big brand chubas can get away with relying on the brand itself.

Of course, this only applies to chubas desperate for attention. The chubas who prefer to have small, tight knit, semi-private communities don't advertise themselves at all. Virality is a double edged sword as the more recgnition you receive, the more people scrutinize your personality and content. It wouldn't be a surprise if some good chubas actively debuffed themselves to avoid becoming celebrities. It'd be more of a condemnation of gossip culture than anything else.

>>7571658
>laughs at the end of every sentence
>Chinese
>overweight
>laughs at the end of every sentence

>>7571658
She debuted like 2 weeks ago

>>7584941
I swear to god her laughing is so fucking annoying, it's not even funny as a "haha she laughs SOO much!" meme, it genuinely is weird as shit and makes me wonder if she has some kind of brain damage.

>plays apex

>>7574220
No shit, but why derail the subject? Forcing the girls to follow a moral code makes them more likeable. Making anyone follow a moral code has the obvious ulterior motive of making them more successful or beneficial.

>>7586742
I used to fake laugh like that but not so often. It is some kind of autism, like "I think I'm supposed to be laughing in this situation", or just nervousness/anxiety.

>>7578905
not a single pepe has been posted on this board since she debuted and if there was one at this point I'd assume it was you falseflagging

>It's so small bHAHAHA
>Can it even get hard? AHAHAHA
>Wow you actually managed to put it in AHAHAHAHA
>HAHAHA ALREADY DONE?! BHAHAHAHA

>>7586742
>>7584941
On paper it's easy to sound like a dour Squidward-type dude going "hrmph, why is she so happy, she shouldn't laugh all the time" but when you watch her, after hours and hours of it it gets to be actually-an-issue.

Her behavior is ideal for short clips of a couple minutes and I feel like she practically tailors herself for that. However when you're in for the whole stream and are subjected to like 3 hours of that it feels too much, it feels.. fake. Or like she is just actually fucking retarded or something. I mean most of the time she's alright statistically speaking, it's when there is something that honestly is not that funny or entertaining at all and she's guffawing loudly every sentence, cutting herself off to keep laughing at something that just isn't even that funny you snap out of your daze and think for a moment "ok that's enough" but then .. she keeps going anyway. I've unironically quit her streams several times now when she goes too long over nothing. I keep coming back hoping she mellowed out and she's often fine for a while but eventually goes full retard again. Even if I try to sit there through it thinking "whatever she really is just like that" it's no longer enjoyable for me and then I'm just forcing myself to be there and ask why.

Sometimes Selen feels like Kramer here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1cVl7KHsGA&t=64s laughing at fucking nothing. Is it fake enthusiasm?

>>7571658
What was her previous vtuber name ?

>>7589338
Are you mentally challenged?
I only found about her since yesterday and I already knew all that shit you just said by watching like 10 minutes of her stream and little pieces of her other recent videos.
I almost cringed to death at the time but I kind of enjoyed it.

>>7588456
god anon why must you make me coom

>>7571658
If the company didn't massively multiply your reach and give you huge opportunities what the hell would be the point of them existing, it'd be early YouTube predatory MCNs all over again

>>7573120
She's worse at chess. Excusable as a beginner of course but 300 ELO chess being professionally casted as twitch eSports is a true sight to behold

>>7571658
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, WE CAN GO ON VACATION TO SLOVAKIA EVERY SUMMER

>On paper it's easy to sound like a dour Squidward-type dude going "hrmph, why is she so happy, she shouldn't laugh all the time" but when you watch her, after hours and hours of it it gets to be actually-an-issue.
>Her behavior is ideal for short clips of a couple minutes and I feel like she practically tailors herself for that. However when you're in for the whole stream and are subjected to like 3 hours of that it feels too much, it feels.. fake. Or like she is just actually fucking retarded or something. I mean most of the time she's alright statistically speaking, it's when there is something that honestly is not that funny or entertaining at all and she's guffawing loudly every sentence, cutting herself off to keep laughing at something that just isn't even that funny you snap out of your daze and think for a moment "ok that's enough" but then .. she keeps going anyway. I've unironically quit her streams several times now when she goes too long over nothing. I keep coming back hoping she mellowed out and she's often fine for a while but eventually goes full retard again. Even if I try to sit there through it thinking "whatever she really is just like that" it's no longer enjoyable for me and then I'm just forcing myself to be there and ask why.
>Sometimes Selen feels like Kramer here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1cVl7KHsGA&t=64s [Embed] laughing at fucking nothing. Is it fake enthusiasm?

>>7591805
Promise?

>>7592428
PROMISE.

>>7573003
>Caring about corporate rivalries
I have watched indies and hololive does ruin your perception of scale. At a certain point, numbers no longer matter for your viewer experience because you're just one in a thousand chatters with no significant influence on the streamer.

>>7591805
You're worth nothing to her. She has a crazy rich asian family.

>>7571658
>charismatic
charismatic streamers radiate more with more people in chat, niji put more people in chat

>>7574223
Newfag didn't know that Hololive used to collab with yabe Vtubers like DeepWebUnderground.

What's with people saying she is overweight? Is there proof of this or is it just dumb rrat posters?

>>7604248
she is.. You can find her pic just by googling dokibrid or something

>>7573264
>>7571690
/wvt/ didn't give a fuck about Mint or Doki back then either. They only talk about their choobas from /here/ and literal 2 views.

>>7574527
anon you went from seeing one trash fire to going to see some different trash fire, you are no immune to your own criticism of others, you just as guilty.
and don't start with "b-but they're worse" because your ideology is part of the reason they exist now, and their ideology is part of why yours exists. they're countering culture just as much as your countering theirs, you're not any different and your definitely moral fagging just as hard as they are.

>>7574198
>Amelia "antisocial" Watson collabing outside of Hololive
Ok Teamate

>>7571658
She sounds like she sucks on car exhaust pipes in her spare time. She has to weigh 200+

>>7588373
correction anon, not any more pepes than usual have been posted, there are still some but they either are killed or theyre vtuber pepes.

>>7588373
>not a single pepe has been posted on this board since she debuted
I'm willing to bet you're not omnipresent, which means you are in fact retarded

>>7613653
irrelevant, and that doesn't change the fact that you blatantly lied about them not existing, which is what they effortlessly refuted
ignoring reality doesn't make it not real
this isn't about criticism or whatever moralfagging reasoning you pulled out of your ass, it's about you spouting bullshit

>>7573651
This is the best thing anyone has ever said about Hololive or Vtubers. When you force a woman to strip away all the bad and obnoxious shit about themselves they actually become likable. But that won't happen nowadays because of "liberation" or some shit where being a fucking cunt is celebrated and women are allowed to indulge whatever retarded shit they want. Speaking as an IRL adult human female, People in general but women in particular need strong moral boundaries and a code to follow or they're lost and end up doing the stupid shit you see thots do online.

>>7572115
>we need to destroy successful things because it's not fair
karl marx's blade of destruction +3

>still no Rule 34

cmon

>>7613912
larp

To this day, the only real talent Hololive has is Usada Pekora.

>>7614192
he isn't wrong

>>7571658
Her voice is cute

>>7586742
nah they teach that shit in vtuber school. most good ones just know when to give it a rest

>>7571658
She is what teamates thinks about ame, if only hololive got this gem...

>>7613887
Clearly anon you assumed i was the same anon, im not the anon you originally replied to.
my point is going to 4chan because you cant handle the rest of the world is your first mistake, you went from eating shit to eating different and rougher shit thats just as bad.
stop using 4chan as your source of thoughts because your not much better then those you complain about.

She's based