/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What crowd? A bunch of /lig/gers?

It would be nice, but realistically, large corpos will still use the character after the person is gone and so they have no reason to relinquish it.

>>75272620
>3rd place competitor
Do VSPO actually has such things?
I don't know that. Where is the news?

>holo
no
>niji
would they event want to?

>>75272620
Ideally yes.
Realistically though no because Japanese laws are great at cucking anyone and everyone.

>>75273239
op is an eopfag he's referring to vshojo

>>75272620
I don't think VSPO has had any graduations yet tho

>>75272620
You’d have to specify that you would have to meet you contract obligations before you can receive the model, it’s nice in theory but you run the risk of people joining your company simply to leech off of you.

>>75272620
They should allow the illustrators to keep/buy the IP, and in turn the member has the ability to buy or be given it from their "mama" if willing.

>>75273239
>>75273625
VSPO is an irrelevant Jap group and homocollabers, they dont deserve to be considered

>>75272620
No and there's no reason to anyway.
Take the IP of gawr gura as an example. Cover will undoubtedly wish to continue using it to make money as a mascot long after the person behind the character decides to retire fully.
Letting the talent buy out the chuba also opens up a lot of potential legal headaches regarding residuals and shit.

What will probably become more and more common is roommates publicly being allowed to acknowledge or at least heavily wink wink nudge nudge who they were before. After all if we're treating being a corpo chuba as being a role then it's only right the person who played the role be allowed to take credit if they so choose to.

>>75274205
NIJISEETHE

>>75274205
But Vshojo is? EOPfags are so retarded

>>75274205
Actually retarded

>>75272620
It could be a thing since the IP becomes useless once the talent is gone from the agency. Gawr Gura has transcended to mascot status so I could see Cover not doing it. Maybe something like how Suou Patra bought the IP from 774?

>>75274398
>>75274508
A bunch of angry Jap cocksuckers lmao, your VSPO chuubas are probably fucked by their coach now

>>75273239
>>75273625
Still waiting on that EN branch, surely the supposed 3rd biggest vtubing agency is able to be influential in the overseas market

>>75272620
>it's only a matter of time
You got it in reverse. The initial clamor was like what you said. But the top advocates for that already gave up. The vtuber observers are more into giving up these days. Even the 3rd place competitor Phase Connect won't return the IPs they bought from Invaders, which is worse.

>>75274779
You are the anon that made this thread (>>/vt/thread/75211694)) correct? You might actually be retarded in real life, I almost pity you

>>75272808
>large corpos will still use the character after the person is gone
They don't, though

>>75274820
Or maybe people overestimated the importance of overseas market

>>75274508(me)
>>75274779
I don’t watch jap corpos, but it would be retarded to not even consider their success because “japs bad”.

>>75272620
Well, they will never do that. So why even talk about it?

>>75272620
Hololive and Nijisanji will never allow talents to buy their character IP since that is the main leverage they have. They are running a business and there is no benefit in making it easier for their vtubers to become indies while leaving with their fan base.

>>75275085
Hololive tends to put their dead into the garbage bin. Nijisanji rarely reuse dead chuubas.
For some reason, dead chuuba music cannot be nuked out of Spotify and other music avenues.

>>75275216
The truth is most of Jap corpos are irrelevant today. Their contents are garbage remnants of older and worse pre-2020 vtubing landscape before Holo rise to power and improves it to the current shape

Should phase connect kneel to the crowd and let members keep/buy the IP post-graduation ?

>>75275644
Most corpos in general are irrelevant today, theres a shitload of vtuber corpos across the world but you can probably count the significant ones on one hand.

>>75274205
Vshojo irrelevant compare to VSPO, you eop shitter.

>>75273239
Didn't komori met bring her old model into vspo from 774?

>>75276280
Incorrect, Jap cocksucker. VSPO numbers arent to be trusted and VShojo has bigger numbers counting twitch, not to mention Western media attention

I think let's start with people being able to acknowledge they worked at those companies

>>75276483
Bait used to be believable

>>75276280
>irrelevant compared to VSPO
VSPO has literally no presence whatsoever outside of Japan
VShojo, small as it might be, has an international presence

>>75277882
I’m not sure how having an international presence really plays into things here, you might as well say Idol is bigger than VSPO because they have IdolES now.

>>75272620
>let members keep/buy the IP post-graduation ?
the only one that wanted it was Rushia

>>75278377
You're on an English-speaking website trying to say VSPO is more relevant than VShojo, when fucking nobody in the English-speaking sphere knows dick about VSPO, let alone cares.
That's how it plays into things.

>>75276483
VSPO has cheeky Korean bitch and that's all it needs

>>75278377
>>75276280
Remind me what is VSPO again ?

>>75280239
Imagine proud of being "relevant" because having more drama and yabs. VSPO rarely have any yabs ever

>>75280540
that means theyre irrelevant and boring you Jap cocksucker. My random 1view indie also have no yabs

>>75280540
>Noah qpi runa
>Beni sumire
VSPO sister...

Absolutely not. VShojo does it because their entire existence is just a quick cash grab off of a big name from Niji or Cover that leaves, followed by "Okay, they're old news now and no one really cares about them so whatever." They don't care about their reputation because they don't have one. They're just a pump and dump company.

Cover, and to a lesser extent Niji, are out to create in the industry. They actually are out there making deals and selling their IPs for marketing purposes. This goes doubly so for the most popular people within the company. Can you imagine if Gura took the Gura model and became and Indie? She'd immediately be marketable for any price she wants as "THE most subbed to Vtuber out there." She'd whore herself out left and right, leaving Cover to basically hope someone comes along that hits the success she fell in to.

All the work Cover did for her would essentially be handed to whoever offers Gura the highest price tag to do nothing for them like she does for Cover. By keeping her, they own that power.

>>75281072
Exactly, the reason those company allow them to come with their own IP and keep them is for the fact that they want to bank on them bringing in their established fans to the fold.
And even when they make a new IP when they joined, they make no effort to pretend that they are someone else.
This is different from Holo or Niji who basically takes literal who out into the spotlight. Thus they basically has to take higher risk and investment to raise them to get a return.
Even those in Holo or Niji with clear PL doesn't even give a slight hint of their past in their stream.
Instead of one having full control of one another, I think the correct solution is to have Joint rights or perhaps entitlements to certain percentage of profits from using their persona in official company projects. Basically one is not allowed to profit from the IP without the others also profiting from it. It will incentivize hard work from the talent to promote themselves and perhaps a way to earn some revenue after they retire by using her IP for another project like merch, games, manga, anime, etc.

>>75272620
Don't really care. I just want to see a mumei doki zeta collab again.

>>75274233
They gotta have a BATNA though. Right now corpos are seeing talents simply walk away and losing all the value. Having an offramp could let them make a little more and that's better than making nothing.
If the corp is any good they are offering opportunities that can't be made on your own and that's the ultimate golden handcuff.

>>75272620
We're at a point where the IP doesn't matter that much because the talent will only do the bare minimum to follow their NDA when they reincarnate, their fans and the Twitter/YouTube algorithm will signal boost their new persona, and drama/clip channels will shout out to the world who the vtuber is now. This is a nightmare scenario for the big JP companies who want the PL taboo to be strong so vtubers can't funnel fans to IPs they actually own.

>>75274205
vshojo is an irrelevant used goods group and homocollabers, they dont deserve to be considered

>>75290083
Glad that we all agree both VSPO and VShojo are trash irrelevant groups and only Hololive is the true beacon of vtubing industry

>>75281072
>Can you imagine if Gura took the Gura model and became and Indie? She'd immediately be marketable for any price she wants as "THE most subbed to Vtuber out there." She'd whore herself out left and right, leaving Cover to basically hope someone comes along that hits the success she fell in to.
She has neither the will nor the knowledge to market herself, so she is content with letting Cover handle all the nuts and bolts while she does the bare minimum.

>unironic latestagecapitalism defense force
Even a spartan slave could buy their freedom back

>>75281072
>They don't care about their reputation because they don't have one.
If they don't care about their reputation, why would they give their talents so much leverage, including models they can walk away with?
>They actually are out there making deals and selling their IPs for marketing purposes.
VShojo also does this, they had a collab with Nikke only a few days ago.

>>75292817
>If they don't care about their reputation, why would they give their talents so much leverage, including models they can walk away with?
Because it's they don't pay for the models, the talents do.
The talents then lend their IP to Vshojo for marketing purposes etc.

>>75292078
Kys retard

>>75272620
>be in IT
>make software for the company
>quit job, taking the software with me and cucking the company out of it
Does this sound mentally sane to you? Virtue signal bandwagoners are just asking to be grifted.

>>75293175
It already works like so:
>be in IT
>make software for the company
>quit job, company has to retire the software, can't ever say that I made it

>Work as a VA
>quit job, still get credited and featured everywhere
>work as a Vtuber
>quit job, the company and your former colleagues pretends you got murdered or denies your existence
Does this sound mentally sane to you?

>>75293515
Not only that, but you can't even use your former job as a reference because you've been unperson'd.
It's batshit.

>>75293547
>can't even use your former job as a reference
For some reason I don’t think Hololive is sending their gestapo after you if you put your experience on a resume, plus people gain clout from leaving bigger corpos all the time.

>>75293982
Ah, idk. Everything I've said pretty much applies to Niji only. Holo doesn't care, but Niji's proven themselves to be vindictive cunts.

>>75272808
I hope you mean merch because any case of what you say mentioned would result in fan mass rioting. In the west ghat is taboo, in JP is ten time worse and that’s saying something.

>>75294071
I mean sure, Niji might try, but is it even feasible the enforce something like that, especially if you aren’t living in Japan?

>>75293515
>>quit job, the company and your former colleagues pretends you got murdered or denies your existence
show me the proof of this retardedanonchama? the CHARACTER died,the person still there,what the fuck do you think the existence of that retirement home in vshojo? kuro is MYSTA,matara is NINA,henya is PIKAMEE,michi is MIKA,when they are FORGOTTEN AND NOT EXIST AGAIN?

In Cover reports it says that on average each talent generates like 20 mil dollars in revenue per year. So, if a talent wanted to buy the IP and go indie, do you comprehend how much it would cost?

>>75272620
>should [X] kneel to grifters?
no.

>>75280239
embedshojo vs vsbots, the battle of the century

>>75294471
>show me the proof of this
Name 1 time anyone has graduated from any of the trogdolyte corpos and the talents haven't been mourning it.
Or better yet, name one time any of them have done a collab with a graduated talent.

>>75294627
I don't remember seeing that kind of number anywhere. I only remember that was around what they paid in total to all talents.

>>75276340
That was 774 transferring ownership to VSPO directly. I don't think Met gained ownership of her model in the interim.

>>75293547
>Not only that, but you can't even use your former job as a reference because you've been unperson'd.
It's batshit.

>>75294808
Vesper wasn't trying to grift, he was just too menhera to be a corpo vtuber

>>75295820
Do you see KSON advertising her prior vtubing role as the hololive dragon anywhere?

>>75272620
nah

>>75296520
She's legally not allowed to.
She has made references to that Coco is her oshi, but nothing more than that.

>>75297754
Yes, that's kind of the point I was making.
Any other entertainment job you can point and say "I did the special effects for this movie" or "I worked on the team at X company"
But you can't advertise a vtuber portfolio as a reference. Once the IP is retired, you're supposed to pretend it's gone forever and that you were never actually them legally.

>>75275253
This, the company need a levarage in case of problem, no matter how much you put it, tallent have quite a good amount of leverage, and some (MAGNI VESPER) have shown that they would not even try to not pretend they are joining for anything else than clout and leave as soon as possible. It's the company guaranty that you just won't scam them for quick clout, And it work, look at those two i meantioned seething that their clout chasing barely rewarded them anything nowodays.

>>75288141
Good, Corpo dies is never a bad news.

>>75272620