/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

if you only include EN all those shifts are exacerbated

>Japan
>US
Does this refer to viewers or the choobas themselves?

>>75164872
>Guys "BOTH" holo and niji "COMBINED" has decreased view count compared to before
Are they seriously putting them together even after the disastrous Niji EN branch meltdown

I see they took the Riku approach of lumping everything together to make it look better for their own rrats.

>ukraine flag
post invalid

>>75164872
>vtubers
>includes Vtwitchers

>>75165338
Will they ever learn?

>>75164872
Twitch normalizes face reveals and vtubers mixing in flesh streaming. As such, I'm all for its influence growing.

>>75165228
He already surpassed Riku as he managed to accelerate even harder than previously thought possible.

>>75164872
>JP declining
>US inclining
You love to see it

>>75165429
retard

>>75165127
Yes, it’s not tribalfagging, it’s pointing out JP big corpos are losing numbers compared to EN corpos/indies despite JP corpos being the driving engine of the industry for 3 years.

>>75165471
go back to >>>/jp/ JOPuta

I'd like to see what they count as vtubers. Especially on twitch.

>>75165570
>here’s how phase can still win

>>75165127
>Nono put holo numbers together with niji
>Why?
>Cause it wouldn't push our Vtwitcher agenda even though the platform is slowly dying

>>75164872
>ruined

>>75165570
That's like putting Nvidia together with Meta just because both are tech companies and say that they both lost value when in fact Nvidia on it's peak but Meta would bring the average down a lot

>>75165429
If the entire scene grows, then JP can be growing and US just growing faster.

>>75165570
Are they though?
Given the massive increase in hours viewed it seems more like smaller competitors having finally established themselves and saturating markets not currently being serviced by the bigger groups. Recent advances into EU and the ES markets by small corpos would come to mind as neither Niji or Holo gives a fuck about them.

>>75165127
NijiJP is still fucking massive, you retard

>>75164872
This data source is notoriously unreliable.

>>75165688
>HomoJP doing fine
>HomoEN kicking the shitter
What went wrong with the male vtuber concept in the Western market?

>>75165228
>they took the Riku approach of lumping everything together
?
Anycolor publishes the revenue for Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN separately. It's Cover that insists on not showing how useless the other branches are in comparison to JP by lumping everything together.

>>75165853
aren't they owned by twitch

>>75165732
Ah yes the NijiEN is soo "NEGLIGIBLE" it doesn't even tickle Nijisanji at all

Riku would be proud

>>75164872
> mutts watch more males
Fucking faggots

>>75164872
>CEO of a scam businesses
Do you guys really think he isn't going to skew the statistics the maximum he can so that small corpos look good?
I won't be surprised if counted XQC as a vtuber just because he uses the vtuber hashtag on twitch

>>75166001
That’s the whole reason doomposting increased amongst the organs, anon. NijiCN is, on paper — which is all that investors care about — negligible, as fucked as that is.

>>75166035
>saying this like Yuropoors aren’t into kissing each other (the men) as their usual greetings

>>75164872
i don't think there is even just one thing is this world that i care less about
i watch all chuubas who i like
i just quietly ignore every chuuba i don't like
tell me 1 (one) good reason why i should give a single fuck about what other random nobodies are doing?

>>75166219
Investors care

damn just in 9 months, corpos lost

>>75166300
utter retard

>>75166300
>doesn't know how percentages work

>>75165918
Western Holoweebs trying so hard to emulate some phantom Japanese Unicorn gold standard which never existed.

>>75166300
Cool now I want to be part the most competetive and overly saturated indie scene

>>75164872
>More viewers
>Watching more vtubers
>Watching more content
This is unambiguously a greater good for society, as more people are gaining more enjoyment.
Any other interpretation is deontological derangement.

>>75166300
>needs tens of thousands to compare to 60+ members
THE SUPERIOR RACE

>>75165570
>t’s pointing out JP big corpos are losing numbers compared to EN corpos/indies despite JP corpos
stop dreaming anon

>>75166374
>>75165918
Simple answer is no one wants to watch homos. Unicorn whatever is a non factor.

>>75165918
Western women are way more likely to be normies who don't consume anime related things.

>>75166651
You have to wake up anon. The numbers are right there.

>>75165918
What happened with the EN vtuber scene as a whole is that they completely misunderstood the target audience.

Audience for JP vtubers is pretty much normal people who are like slightly nerdy. They like anime, manga, etc which is normal in Japan. Many of them have normal relationships with men and women and don't think anything weird seeing a woman and man interacting on stream. Basically, Vtubers are no different from flesh streamers in Japan, many of them really are often like OTV and those other normie collectives.

Meanwhile the audience for EN vtubers is giga weebs who have very weak social skills and are obsessed with a culture that isn't their own and they have zero connection to. They are often very bitter towards normies, very bitter towards fleshtubers, very bitter towards people who aren't like them basically. Introducing male/female interactions into this audience is obviously gonna result in backlash. Especially since, fans of male vtubers themselves have zero interest in interacting or befriending fans of female vtubers. They choose to self-isolate and the two groups cannot get along due to a mutual disdain towards eachother. You'll never be able to break this wall in the EN scene unless actual normies start invading, which is obviously undesirable. My advice to male vtubers would be learning Japanese or Chinese and just pandering to fujos in asia because they're the only people that will give you a chance. You are entirely unwanted in the western scene.

>>75165127
Not decreased viewcount. Decreased share.

>>75166374
so true sister #cutforhex

>>75166723
stop basing the whole scene based off your experience here

>>75166723
> the audience for EN vtubers is giga weebs
Explain Vhoejo and Filian. They dont even watch anime.

>68% of current day vtubing is JP+US
where the fuck is the rest????
china????

>>75166712
yeah the number showing the opposite tho

>>75166860
Korea, EU, SEA,...

>>75166723
>Audience for JP vtubers is pretty much normal people who are like slightly nerdy
they are called otaku,yeah THAT OTAKU,theres no such thing as "normie vtuber fans" specially in JP.

>>75166937
Karubi, tororo, twitch JP indies...

>>75166983
Just using twitch is a sign that you aren't normal

>>75166983
and? they are all the same,the difference is the west are fully anime is cartoon,if its not fleshtuber like asmon,xqc etc its cringe and weird,to make things worse those woketard western twitch/indie who make it even harder for ppl to look at vtuber,JP are acceptable because they are used to anime stuff,the audience are the same otaku,they are not "normie" lol

>>75167070
Unko chan, Shaka, k4sen, Jasper, CR sama... we largest JP fleshies are not normal...

>>75165127
You are interpreting this wrong. The decrease in viewerships is just because simply there are more VTubers in 2024 so they are now within the percentage pool taking the share of the cake.

>>75167159
I would not call someone who shares the same audience as Shaka, K4sen,Unko as otaku...

>>75165946
You do know niji still has remnants of niji ID, IN and KR literally 3 former branches lumped in the main branch right?
Niji EN(CN) stayed separate because luxiem blew up and looked good in paper to show they have another branch that (was) very successful

>>75166787
>>75167196
Point still stands that it's retarded to lump niji together with holo when niji not only lost some "share of the cake" but also lost their growth and holo has increased especially after advent

>>75164872
EN scene sucks, JP scene for the win, return to old times. End of discussion

>>75166374
>it's everyones fault but my boys
>just let them leech PLEASE
fuck off sister

>>75166127
https://streamscharts.com/channels?vtuber=all
This is their Vtuber list. Looks pretty legit to me

>>75167248
okay,take your meds anon,theres no point to say anything before you take your meds first

>>75167568
Western vtubing is already imploding, a bunch of vtubers are already going back to fleshstreaming, they probably counted a lot of those grifters in this fake chart

>>75167634
>locking youtube behind a price plan so normal people can't even see them on their charts when they view the website
sugoi.

>>75167653
I accept your concession

>>75165429
non-White detected

>>75166723
I guess that's the homos in japan are so successful. Oh wait japan ignores them too. They are unwanted EVERYWHERE even in groups that don't mind male/female interactions, no one wants to watch them solo outside of nerd women who make gay fanfic.

>>75167715
What they count as a vtuber on twitch looks pretty accurate to me.

>>75167170
Yes, anon. Normal people doesn't use twitch. They don't even know it exists. You are severely overestimating the importance of that site because you visit it often.
It might be shocking to you, but normal people doesn't watch hour long streams, they just scroll shorts and whatever other short media they have on their phones like twitter.

>>75167803
>#5

>>75165732
the only reason why they still afloat because their were once massive
if they are your average corpo they already disband

>>75167698
Good, vtubing is healing if true

>>75166857
>Vhoejo
>They dont even watch anime.
Did I just hallucinate all those anime watchalongs Ironmouse would do in her Discord then?

>>75167723
>I would not call someone who shares the same audience as Shaka, K4sen,Unko as otaku
you expect ppl take you seriously? next time you say fujo is fully normal and healthy women and coomer are fully functional and healthy young men with normal life?

>>75166723
So this is what dunning-kruger at 200% looks like.

>>75167887
>Ignore the other 19 correct ones
Nice

>>75167917
>in discord
Thanks for proving his point.

>>75165688
Looks like both JP branches are about the same but holoEN did double numbers and nijiEN got halved. Those are some dramatic stats.

>>75168148
>Moving goalposts again
How can it be legit (according to you) if youtube is locked behind a paywall, 1 out of 20 in the first page isn't even a vtuber and the rest of the twitch pages are also locked on paywall.

>>75167568
>>75167698
>>75167914
>JP fellatio
just like your oshi sucks off her entire valorant team

>>75168254
advent is a success,not only because its been a long time since last holoEN but because fuwamoco and biboo alone are really loved,while nerissa and shiori have their own niche fans

>>75168484
my oshi doesn't play valorant eopcuck

>>75168484
Retard EOP westoid cant even bring a proper argument

>>75168484
ironic weebs have no argument and has to resort to crass insults every time it gets brought up

>>75166723
>>75165918
Retards

>>75168360
>won't be surprised if counted XQC as a vtuber
>not the case
>the data is 95% correct
>but but... moving the goal post
Sound like we have a terminal case of retardation here

>>75168484
Vtubing have gotten worse since Western scene grow and thats a fact. You obviously would know that unless you are a post-2020 newfag

I don't think about vtubing landscape or whatever. I watch chuubas for fun.

>>75168873
fuck off to your retirement home oldfag, things change whether you like it or not

>Anilive
>0.00% > 0.00000000000000001%

this is made up bullshit to attract investors

>>75168560
>>75168587
>>75168738
>>75168873
Here let me spell it out for you
2024:
Number of EOP vtubers who have a streaming catalog that resembles ~2020-2022 HoloJPs go up(GOOD)
Number of JOP vtubers who have a streaming catalog that resembles ~2020-2022 HoloJPs go down(BAD)
the English scene is approaching maximum quality
The Japanese scene is moving away from maximum quality

>>75168884
People like you is what enabled trannies to dominate the gaming industry, now it's just a matter of time untill they do it again to vtubers

>>75169138
Are you arguing for uniformity of contents? JP have always been more varied because they were the origin of the industry

>>75169256
People can choose to not buy tranny games
People can choose to not watch trash vtubers

>>75167568
Give me one Jap vtuber outside Hololive that is still relevant. Face the truth Japs cant dominates forever

>>75169138
Pekora is playing Dragon Ball Z kakarot and reaching ridiculous numbers. She got 150k at the peak of the game, and she is right now at 70k playing DLCs for the game.

>>75164872
>males needed a special mention

>>75169256
Damn, you seem upset. Sorry if I can't be bothered to be a soldier in your culture war. I don't owe you anything.

>>75169296
No, I'm arguing for soul, faith, overall trust, fanbase positivity, emotional investment, happiness as a result of vtubing
The metrics that actually reflect upon the lives of the human beings consuming the content

>>75169320
Yeah, that's why the newest game I played is Sekiro(2019)and the newest vtuber that I watch is Kanata(2019), everything after 2020 is tranny or jew shit

>>75169396
Hololive is still dominating though, that's what matters

>>75169437
...that has literally nothing to do with the post you are replying to?????????????

>>75169437
all bots

>>75164872
How is this a surprise? Twitch viewers can mute the stream and still get counted.

>>75169138
nigga just pulls out data from his ass based on his own subjective observations....

>>75165429
I like to see it so we can stop getting "EN" branches that are pseudo JP. JP chuubas are great, but if I go to see an EN chuuba labeled as EN, I want to watch them in EN.

>>75169437
>150k

>>75169693
Why can't they do both? Are you just a petulant child?

>>75168850
>date is 95% correct
based on you extrapolating from your ass lmao. 1 page out of how many pages are you using as your basis?
>Looks pretty legit to me
retard

>>75169706
Sorry 168k peak thanks

>>75169706
Newfag, the number being talked about is the peak.

>>75169780
>Moving the goalpost (again)
Yeah right... keep coping that the chubba scenes (especially EN) are not moving towards twitch.

>>75170010
Show me the youtube list and i'll believe you

>>75164872
>What are your thoughts on how the vtubing landscape is changing?
Don't care, I don't watch vtubers I watch Hololive

>>75169396
Would you consider Pmaru a vtuber?

>>75169688
>subjective
How many male collabs did Hololive JP do in 2021 total
How many male collabs did Hololive JP do in 2024 total
count them up and compare the numbers
prepare to be amazed

>>75169779
>Why can't they do both
Unless you're in the subsection that speaks EN and JP, it excludes you. Many have tried to be inclusive to both, but there is no perfect solution. You either are EN wishing there was more JP content, or you're JP wishing there was more EN content. If you don't speak the language, you're essentially stuck to commenting on the gameplay, putting an emote, or commenting "cute" whenever there is a part in a language you don't understand. If that's what you want, whatever. But I find being able to chat in a stream as an important part of watching a stream.

>>75168884
trends exist regardless of whether you care about them.

>>75164872
I laugh at how they include Twitch, but ignore how the big names in Twitch are now doing face reaveal, IRL shit.
Not vtubers.

>>75170196
Of course and I don't think about Vtuber trends. I watch chuubas for fun.

>>75169256
>be (you), cringe unicorn culture warrior
>"vtubers should all be female idols!"
>bitch about who shouldn't be streaming
>people stream anyways because you're some fucking nobody on 4chan

>be me, chad tranny libertarian
>"anyone can stream if they want, even the chuddies"
>actually fucking stream
>mission accomplished
:3

>>75168884
trends exist whether you care about them or not.

>>75164872
>Putting Holo and Niji together.
sasuga CEO retard

>>75170102
no

>>75170244
>but ignore how the big names in Twitch are now doing face reaveal, IRL shit.
Are they?
Or is it just the same whores that have been whoring around for years alongside the same faggy slew of vtweeters?

>>75164872
my friend stopped watching vtubers and switched to AI Girlfriend

>>75170144
>If you don't speak the language, you're essentially stuck to commenting on the gameplay, putting an emote, or commenting "cute" whenever there is a part in a language you don't understand. If that's what you want, whatever. But I find being able to chat in a stream as an important part of watching a stream.
Are you trying to have meaningful conversations in chat? There's not even a system on YouTube for replies. Most people only do the three things you mentioned in chat.

>>75170196
>>75170365
Are you having a stroke? Maybe you should stress less about landscapes and trends and have more fun.

>>75170336
More than half of the top ten biggest fanbases on /lig/ are of unicorn friendly and/or gfe vtubers
we don't have to stop you from streaming, you literally kill yourselves off on your own and have done so reliably

>>75170393
It's the ones from /lig/, Bao, Numi, Juniper, etc.

>>75170595
>>75170635

>>75164872
What this information is actually saying
>hours watched
Ballooned artificially due to "IRL" streams running 24/7 while running a looping playlist of tiktoks with thousands of afk 'viewer's (bots) that call themselves vtubers with a png avatar for the sake of SEO
>youtube/twitch hours watched
Roughly a 15% shift towards the latter, representing just how much of total hours watched growth is inflated from on grifting IRL channels.
>male
marginal shift as a result of the tag 'vtuber' trending and thus being mandatory SEO for any content creator of either gender.
>Japan
20% shift in watch time of which we have just established 15% is irrelevant, resulting in a 5% shift towards global audiences, a marginal but respectable growth for the burgeoning global audience.
>US
8.8% increase. The US, ironically, isn't the source or primary audience of most of the aforementioned grift channels so from this we can see that US makes up the majority of the 5% of genuine watchtime growth outside of Japan.
>holo + niji combined
Literal fake stat. Nijisanji's watch hours declined sharply over 2023 due to mismanagement, an ongoing trend of decline compounding with the controversies late in the year. Holo watch time as a proportion of the total has been growing throughout 2023s fiscal year but Nijisanji declined much more substantially than Hololive grew. Combining these stats masks the success of one company with the failure of another to push a narrative


The sad irony is that while these junk statistics look like marketing by a low-tier company trying to grift off anti-niji sentiment the truth is that the people who manage corporate data are stupid enough to genuinely take numbers like this at face value and make meaningful corporate decisions based on the perception that the data they manipulated to say what they want to hear tells them to.

So much retard replies here can be summarized as "EN bad, JP good". This board sure is full of Jap cocksucker

>>75170432
>Are you trying to have meaningful conversations in chat?
No, but there's a difference between a regular comment and one of the 3 things mentioned.
>Most people only do the three things you mentioned in chat.
Great for whoever that is then. If that's how they enjoy streams, good. Not me. I'd rather put regular comments. They don't have to mean much, but it helps me connect with the stream better. If I wanted to lurk or not comment, I'd watch a vod instead.

>>75170831
>ESL EN cocksucker

>>75170839
>I'd rather put regular comments.
What do you even mean by this? And what is restricting you from making your "regular comments"?

>>75164872
Be careful for what you wish for. Like many EOP Holo fans wanting to see EN4 and EN5 this year. Expanding their EN branch means they will target broader (other) potential fan groups.

>>75166723
Are you from Earth 2 because EN is the normie group.

>>75170973
But what is the problem? Those sound like good things.

>>75170858
No Jap cocksucker here can even mention relevant Jap vtuber outside of Hololive. All Japs have left is Hololive and even with that EN is rising, their biggest talent (Gura) is EN. Most of the threads in this board is EN-related. Now explain to me how is Jap scene superior again?

>>75171055
The problem is every other franchise that did that is now losing money or is a flat out dead IP.

>>75171055
Something something trannies and jews...

>>75171083
You're not even capable of using the language properly. Why are you trying to be its representative?

>>75170144
Anon, are you retarded? If it is extra streams, who the fuck cares.

>>75171112
HoloEN only exists because Hololive branches out to a different audience.

>>75171083
shut up ENfag, watch your whore mousey on twitch or something

>>75171232
ENfags can speak English. I don't know what that anon is, but it's not EN.

>>75171083
>Now explain to me how is Jap scene superior again?
HoloEN doko?

>>75171126
It's bit ironic because I am pretty sure that this jew hater has a skin color that would get him sent into oven just as fast as any jew.

>>75171289
nijiEN doko?

>>75169573
Kill yourself twitchkid.
https://youtu.be/jD3IiB0aGrE

>>75164872
holo+niji down
clearly is just niji going down so he put both together

>>75164872
How is Japan going down, when the entirety of the Twitch incline is JP vtubers streaming there more?
Where are they getting these numbers from?

>>75171083
You're clearly a newfag if you can't even think of relevant JP vtubers outside of Hololive yourselves. Fuck of EOPnigger

>>75170635
>>75170662
Yeah and their fanbases on /lig/ are generally speaking smaller compared to the number of vtubers who don't do that shit, that's basically my point
And that's a NEW development(well, it's been developing ever since early last year honestly, but it's only gotten more pronounced over time).
The whores have been the same whores for ages, for the most part, and while a few new whores have shown up in the last year and change, increases have been generally tilted away from them instead of towards them
The whores are dying off, just slowly

>>75171216
The broader western audience yes. Not a hyperspecific audiences that prefer personal politics over entertainment, and even then that's starting to seep in.

>>75169256
well holo are free from those,source? yagoo himself said it in interview recently hes aware about what ppl like about holo and what ppl dont like about western shit.

>>75164872
TLDR: retards at stream charts and that nexas faggot are making misleading claims, putting nijisanji who's currently reclining and Hololive together will only show a decrease in viewership, this is either a malicious attemp at undermining Holo or just straight up retards.

>>75171420
>false flagging SEA being called EOP by other SEAs

>>75171420
and who is that? how relevant are they? tell me Jap cocksucker

>>75171083
Pekora playing Kakarot had more viewers than Gura's anniversary stream, go suck BBC ENnigger

>>75164872
>Numberfag CEO
yeah not watching this garbage

>>75171428
>Not a hyperspecific audiences that prefer personal politics over entertainment
Do you go outside with a helmet on every day in case an asteroid hits you on the head? You're worrying about problems that are even realistic.

>>75171457
>what ppl dont like about western shit.
What is it that people don't like about western shit
I'm pretty curious to hear it spelled out for once

>>75171534
>are even realistic
aren't*

>>75164872
lol another retard declaring all out war?

>>75171083
Kill yourself

>>75171575
>drama
>politics
>Alphabet pandering
>Virtue signaling like crazy
>GO GET IT GURLLL
>Sexcape stories
>IRL slop
>Face reveals
>ranchy attitude
>''owning'' the haters way too hard
>some being straight up whores
>React slop
>GAMER SUPPS
I can go on.

>>75171709
You forgot parasocial shit like emotional manipulation and encouraging grooming.

>>75171709
And JP has literally NONE of those? Not a single one? Great, watch JP and stop being a whiny bitch.

>>75171709
Western scene killed roleplaying and staying in character as a vtuber

Gas all twitchtards
Kill all twitchthots
Genocide twitch users. They don't belong in VTubing

>>75171888
good, that shit is annoying

>>75170910
Sounds retarded talking about it /here/ since it's in context, but arbitrary example: let's say it's a minecraft stream, but the chuuba is talking about a story of that time they met another chuuba IRL. If you don't speak the language, you may not get that story. You can't really have a comment on the story to put if you can't understand what's being said. Maybe it's a comment asking on details for the story. Maybe it's a reaction to the story. Maybe the chuuba asked a question and you are responding. You can comment on the gameplay, but in context your comment is irrelevant. You can put a generic emote or "cute" but that's spam at that point. How is this hard to understand?

>>75171201
>If it is extra streams, who the fuck cares
Extra streams? Sure, whatever. But if it's a busy schedule, it's often not extra streams. It's replacing a stream. It's stopping thoughts in the middle of a stream to switch language.

>>75171055
>>75171126
>>75171296
Why are you guys like this?

>>75167468
It's perfectly reasonable in a top-level overview to lump the two industry giants that have dominated for years in together. It doesn't matter if one is sinking and one is growing because it's pointing out that the category is shrinking. The industry is growing beyond them.

>>75171709
>GAMER SUPPS
kek this is a strange final bullet point
I feel like if you got rid of the rest you could keep the gamer supps if I'm totally honest

>>75171987
What's the difference then with twitch whores if there's no roleplaying the character?

>>75172153
not being a literal whore on stream?

>>75172070
Like what? You think his skin color wouldn't sent him into oven? I guess it's possible but I highly doubt it.

>>75172024
>If you don't speak the language, you may not get that story. You can't really have a comment on the story to put if you can't understand what's being said. Maybe it's a comment asking on details for the story. Maybe it's a reaction to the story. Maybe the chuuba asked a question and you are responding. You can comment on the gameplay, but in context your comment is irrelevant. You can put a generic emote or "cute" but that's spam at that point. How is this hard to understand?
Do you think every innocuous comment or emote has to be pertinent to exactly what's going on? In this hypothetical, you would only learn about the story where from a TL clip or something, but you can still comment in the TL clip.

>>75172205
I don't understand vtuber fans who dislikes it when vtubers are always in-character/roleplaying. I thought that was the core of vtubing.

>>75172270
No, the core of vtubing is retarded anime girls being ridiculous

>>75172206
We can't discuss one point without it devolving into some kind of ism or phobia huh?

>>75172368
I didn't bring it up, it was that retard ranting about trannies, jews, culture wars and the superiority of Japan. Don't whine to me about his bullshit you fucking idiot.

>there are anons who don't know cover is just as much in the drain as anykuro

>>75171534
What?
Star Wars
Lord of the Rings
Indiana Jones
Scooby Doo
DC
Marvel
Disney
All of these big classic names are hemorrhaging funds because they're appealing to a different audience than their cores ones.
Senran Kagura is flat out dead, Neptunia is on life support, and people 180'd Stellar Blade because those same people that the above pandered to moved Sony Interactive Entertainment to California.
Don't even get me started on localization bastardizing author's intent to insert their own politics.
I need construction equipment to get your head out of the sand if you're this ignorant of how badly the western media sphere has been poisoned.

>>75171877
>uhh but jp?
Sub 0 iq

>>75172548
Except everyone knows, but we also know Yagoo doesn't care and wants it lower to buy it back. You're the only one out of the loop.

>>75172270
One of the biggest (if not the biggest) Vtubing streams of this year was Pekora bringing her real life mother into stream. How is that staying in character?

>>75170432
>Are you trying to have meaningful conversations in chat?
What
Having banter with my oshi is quite literally why I learned Japanese beyond just "good enough to understand the jist"
The idea of not caring about my comments is ridiculous to me, I spent the first 3 years of vtubing always being within the top 20 spenders of my oshi and a frequent akasupa thrower in tons of other holos channel in part because of it
I even used alt accounts for shitposts sometimes
Interaction with their fans is the reason I care in the first place

>>75172553
Those are all Hollywood brands. What does that have to do with Hololive?

>>75172659
>The idea of not caring about my comments is ridiculous to me, I spent the first 3 years of vtubing always being within the top 20 spenders of my oshi and a frequent akasupa thrower in tons of other holos channel in part because of it
I even used alt accounts for shitposts sometimes
>Interaction with their fans is the reason I care in the first place
I can't cure parasocial. You do you.

>>75172641
Because her mother is a big titted bunny girl who would gladly provide bunnygirl oyakodon

>>75170144
Anon, you can't have a well-thought-out and logical opinion like this. Ruffians are going to go crazy and attack you because it shatters their worldview and all of the narratives they've built. You can't reason with rabid animals.

>>75172616
Holy cope. Stocks are an indicator of where a company is heading. Cover is not in a good spot right now

>>75169706
That's a lot of Brazilians.

>>75172763
Looking forward to the q4 report and riku jumping ship sis?

>>75172750
I'm really happy that Peggers could pay for her mothers trip from the moon to join her stream.

>>75172839 (me)
Or maybe they teleport. I'm not sure how moon rabbit traveling works.

>>75172763
Yeah it's heading back to a private company that isn't adhering to the whims of leeches who are only in it to pad their own numbers.

>>75172905
They travel by really big stick as seen in DragonBall. The stick is my penis btw.

>>75172763
Stocks are a bad indicator of where a company is going. The best you can claim is that they're an indicator of institutional investor confidence and in the past 10 years institutional investors have been shown to be retarded. Granted these other posters are also retarded trying to spin it as a good or intentional thing.

>>75172809
Q4 is over, and nothing happened
>2 MORE WEEKS
right?

>>75173057
It's over but the Investors didn't get the report.
That's like saying your school year is over before you get your final report card.

>>75166723
Total Normalfag Death

>>75167468
Lumping corposlop together is perfectly fine. Get over your tribalfaggotry.

>>75164872
>meme watch hours
>from twitch no less
sleep streams, 10th muted tabs, embeds, you pick it

>>75173057
I'm not sure when the report comes out, I don't think it's in 2 weeks, can you tell me when the report for q4 comes out?

It's funny how last samurai are literally praising being a normalfag as long as you're Japanese
As if the choice is either being a normalfag in the west or in Japan
Fuck you and kill yourself, if you are a normalfag you aren't welcome in vtubing no matter what you fucking nigger, get the fuck out of here and go back
Fuck BOTH your EN Twitch whores AND your monthly VCR roleplay server Japanese offpako festivals
You can BOTH fuck off
Understand? Now dilate, tranny cucks

>>75173398
You are mad just because you don't think you're normal enough to be happy. That is truly sad.

>>75172616
>>75172809
>Yagoo wanted to loose 80 billion yen! Trust the plan!
Now where have I heard it before...

>>75173398
Tourist here, what is "last samurai"?

>>75173261
all of them are better than your elsagate ai porn for babies that your subhuman platform pushes

>>75172728
>I can't cure parasocial.
...Parasocial is the point, not the bug. The bug is people who think parasocial isn't the point. You aren't watching an anime. Anime is better at being anime than vtubers. Anime is made for being anime. Vtubers are made for being vtubers. If you don't want parasocial go to where it's impossible to be parasocial.

>>75173469
Unlike you and other browns I don't conflate the idea of normality with happiness. Most people are miserable. Happiness can only ever be found on the road less traveled by
But happiness isn't even my main desire in the first place, so your point was always vapid

>>75168884
Based.

>>75173544
Somebody who screeches "Japan Good West Bad" without even thinking about what they're saying or why

>>75173588
But it's not impossible to be parasocial with any medium. Most people realize that being parasocial is just a worse alternative to being social.

>>75172761
You talk like a reddit fag.

>>75171289
Biboo debuted 30th July, so only had 5 months instead of 12

>>75173704
First of all, streaming isn't even parasocial, so saying you want to "fix it" is retarded
My point is that the relationship with your oshi is the point of vtubing, anybody who thinks watching the vtuber is the point is forgetting that he's watching a worse version of anime and ignoring half of the functionality that streams actually add(functionality gained through the use of sacrificing things like overall quality, compared to cut down and edited versions of a stream)

>>75173660
>But happiness isn't even my main desire in the first place, so your point was always vapid
This is even more sad. You actively want to be unhappy.

>>75172230
>Do you think every innocuous comment or emote has to be pertinent to exactly what's going on?
No but putting an emote for the sake of putting an emote seems rather pointless, no? That's like putting a comment for the sake of commenting.
>In this hypothetical, you would only learn about the story where from a TL clip or something, but you can still comment in the TL clip
You can't compare clips to a live stream. Even assuming the clip well translated, clips a moment you didn't know you missed but would have liked, and doesn't cut out a lot (which is a big assumption), you're still getting the clip after the stream has already ended. A vod is not the same as a livestream, and if you disagree with that, we'll never see eye to eye on this.

>>75173544
Japan good West bad, HoloJP>HoloEN, and the similar kind of faggots

>>75173875
>thing only go one way, or other
unga bunga
you're too young to use this website, please fuck off

Are you guys pissing your pants over Twitch again?

>>75173878
The point is that you can't know what you missed. Your hypothetical relies on you not knowing the topic but knowing that whatever you comment is out of place. It doesn't add up. Just hit the same emote like everyone else, and don't worry about it.

>>75173987
Your hobby is internet outrage, and it doesn't even make you happy. Acting like you're above anyone else is silly.

>>75166300
Nobody will admit it here on the holoboard but indies have been innovating while holo has been stuck in the same formula for 6 years. Not surprising to see them lose market share.

>>75173694
>>75173928
>reeee last samurai, EN scene is growing it has good content now
Many anons here already mentioned how Hololive JP branch still dominates and no one disputes that they are the top

...this whole thread is offtopic from what the OP posted

>>75165918
They were in Japan. Some still are.

>>75174322
JP dominates the secret vtuber offpako scene too is the issue

>>75166723
GUYS IDOL CULTURE LE BAD!!!!!!1111 AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>75164872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>holo+niji
Come on, why aren't those separate huh?

>>75174065
But people don't even spam emote much during comfy zatsus
Especially not during mengen zatsus
Literally all vtubers do zatsus for a reason, they're even buff content most of the time
It's literally an entire stream about having a conversation with (You)

>>75175082
Why are you watching Japanese zatsus if you don't like them?

>>75174522
Yep. Half of this board still thinks vtubing is like it was a few years ago. The retarded half. They swarm everything like chimps and act erratically when dealing with new information. They are programmed to scream, slap, and shit themselves whenever they see new words. Usually they do all at once. You'll see why I say they still think vtubing is what it was a few years ago if you just look at how they talk about it.

>>75164872
Twitch whores and smallcorpocucks fear the king.

>>75175184
Oh shit sorry I should've said NTA, I'm the one that actually learned Japanese and got accused of being parasocial or whatever, not the original guy

>>75164872
Holo board and move the others to trash.

>>75166669
Because weebshit IS normal in Japan. It’s their own cultural product. It’s like women watching Rick And Morty or whatever toonslop is new

>>75174195
Ogey

>>75175239
But then it's not a problem for you. This is getting redundant.

>>75175069
learn to read, moron-kun. what an embarrassing post.

>>75173378
It's always mid quarter, so it comes out 2 weeks into June.

>>75174195
What exactly have indies been "innovating" besides face reveals and porntubing (i.e. literally just emulating existing twitch whores)?

Realtalk:
holoEN shit the bed the past couple of years and Advent is carrying the team.
Niji is Niji
Zoomers and coomers are coming out in droves to watch e-girls on twitch just to hear them talk about fucking other guys.
The bubble is popped, the West has fallen. Retreat back to JP chuubas and be happy.

>>75175409
So 5 more weeks then

>>75175203
But vtubing was better few years ago. Many in this board unironically want a return to the old guard era and its justified. Can you blame them when things are shit these days?

>>75165570
Or the number of 2 views increased a lot flooding the watch hours with volume

>>75165570
Can you retards kill yourselfs already? Nijijp is stagnated and holos are still breaking their previous records, if anything JP Indies have found more success then the whole vwhore seine.

>>75164872
vtuber landscape streams are fine...
vtuber portrait streams be damned.

>>75171877
>drama
JP drama is way bigger than western drama but it happens like 1-3 times a year, I prefer to get shot once a year than to get stabbed every week
>politics
I never saw it, if there's then it's a few unknown ones, meanwhile in the west 1/3 of Vshoujo(basically the west representative)showed support to shit like war and lgbt rights
>Alphabet pandering
Again never saw it besides like 3 random unknown nijis
>Virtue signaling like crazy
Extremely rare, and I'm not speaking of only left bastards, but right tards too, some anons /here/ will immediately kneel if a know whore support some right wing shit, both are shit, keep that faggot stuff to fleshtubers
>GO GET IT GURLLL
That's a bit more frequent, they're women after all, but it isn't even 1/50 of what it is in the west, almost every indie around here had "the talk"
>Sexcape stories
Even AV vtubers barely talks about that stuff, be a whore but no wants to listen to it
>IRL slop
There's some blogging small vtubers that kinda do it but they still keep partially hidden, I never saw a JP vtuber go full fleshtuber(besides Kson, but she was created in America, ethnicity and culture are completely different things)
>Face reveals
Again the same as above
>ranchy attitude
Very rare too, most of the time when they're like that it's behind a character trope, like Laplus, but in Laplus case she really hates her fans, she just hide it behind the "banter"
>"owning" the haters way too hard
This one is the most common among JPs, unfortunately woman + PR is the worst combination ever, but even then it's nowhere near the rate that exists among the west
>React slop
Very rare too, react over there is like a watchalong once a week, that's nowhere the level of watching brain rot memes 5 hours straight every day
>GAMER SUPPS
Idk what that means but if it's about the constant shilling then the JPs are up there, at least they make something special, like Aqua actually going to the restaurant and eating the sushi with her chat for her sponsorship, meanwhile westerns just talks about the product and they don't even actually like it, like I seen so many youtubers that hate mobile games shilling Raid

>>75175565
are they even counting streams on shorts with this?

>>75175541
>Many in this board
Speak for yourself, realize that you sound like a boomer talking about those "good old days"

>>75175541
>Can you blame them when things are shit these days?
Yes. I blame them for thinking that things are shit these days just because of their own personal tastes. It's just like I blame racists and incels for thinking minorities and women are subhuman.

>>75166300
I wonder what sample size they have for indies, 10k? 20k? Might be more then that and they are competing with 85 members (around 30 being dead weight) of hololive.

>>75174195
oh i love facereveals

>>75170595
did you respond to the right post, buddy?

>>75175410
If you think face reveals are common you're so out of touch it's not even funny. Nobody except vtweeters do those. And AVtubers are mostly on Youtube which is a lot more lenient with porn.

>>75166723
lol nice bait JP audience is 1000 times more autistic and dangerous than west

>>75170336
>me
>uniGOD member of the shadow cabal
>shaping the vtuber scene however I want it

>you
>homobeggar
>losing the invisible war
>screaming in anger at unicorns in a taiwanese anime forum because your bois haven't had a collab in months

>>75166857
The guy replying to you is living proof normalfags have invaded the hobby

>>75175690
Retard the EN scene face reveals so much they have trending hashtags for it on twitter. The most prominent EN twitch corpo, vshojo, has multiple face revealers. Recently that Bao whore did it too.

>>75175541
Okay im genuinely asking now since so many anons in this board keep saying this. Whats so different and supposedly better about old vtubing scene? I can only think of few supposed "old guards" like maybe Akari and Siro and they dont seem to be different than current vtubing landscape. I don't watch them though so please explain to me.

>>75175776
Bao didn't show her face.

>>75175625
>>75175203
most people here don't really watch streams. which is understandable, they take too much time.

>>75175800
>s-s-she wore a coof mask so it doesn't count
lol stfu, did she even wear it when she did her 3DPD concert?

>>75175794
Nothing, they are just Jap cocksucker

>>75175800
Bao has showed her entire body

>>75173544
in this board is a kneejerk response from back when holoEN was at the top and enfans thought EN was going to overthrow JP, ofc didn't happen and now the label doesn't make sense but enfags aren't the brightest people so still it gets used by the most retarded of them.

>>75170336
>You
>Irrelevant shitter
>Idol vtubers
>Getting 100k viewers daily
I don't know why small dogs feel the need to bark so much.

>>75175868
Face reveal means face reveal. If no face was revealed then it's not a face reveal. And yes she wore a mask at the concert.

>>75173398
You need to be 18 or older to post on 4chan

>>75176075
If you make a whole ass vlog showing your entire body except with a coof mask (not even with sunglasses) then there's literally no difference.

>>75173987
Oh never mind you're 40? What are you doing here gramps?

>>75176158
That would be IRL content. Not a face reveal.

>>75173544
A forced meme from /#/fags when they pretend they run the whole industry and delusionally believe that VTubing is only going well for the EOPfaggots like they are

>>75176211
>ackshually it's only a 70% face reveal so it doesn't count and you can't call her retarded fleshtuber trash
nah

>>75175794
From what I can describe it was more creative and varied back then, things kept changing and there were no established format yet unlike now. Think of it like HoloGrafitti but more frequent. Most were still 3D, they stay in character, there were less drama too.

>>75175879
You've been in this thread keep saying the same thing for hours

>>75169138
Were all unicorns like you dropped on the head as a child? Is that how you got the horn? Serious question

>>75176296
Not sure how language works in your country but in English words have meaning.

>>75175203
>Things change and evolve, chud
You're starting to sound like some kind of people, but I can't pinpoint it...

>>75176406
If you want to be technical about it, technically she has shown off her face, even though it is partially obscured. Otherwise, according to your moronic logic you can't call anything a body reveal unless it's nude.

>>75171055
>we don't want to be another NijiEN
>oh but this thing NijiEN does is a great idea!
This is your brain on /#/

>>75171083
Bro actually thinks /vt/ is the only place on the Internet where VTubers are discussed

>>75170336
its time to let go nijisister, you glow too much
https://vocaroo.com/14lnztAvQGbp

>>75175593
So your defense is that you haven't seen it so it doesn't happen and if it happens it's okay because it's JP doing it? Got it. Typical hypocritical last samurai. I'm so tired of you fucks. Raunchy attitude pic rel

>>75170336
>"vtubers should all be female idols!"
No, I like the way it's now, whores show who they really are and I dodge a bullet, simple as that, that is also one of the reasons why holo is so popular, who has the patience to swim through shit for days to find a decent indie

>>75176354
You jap cocksuckers keep saying vague things like "it was more creative" but offered no real explanation on how

>>75170297
it doesn't matter if you care, they exist, and someone will exploit them.

you should use your head more, it might help you notice forces which affect you.

>>75175718
You haven't gotten one Hololive member graduated due to your impotent babyrage. Fuck off and drink bleach please

>>75176464
This isn't complicated, anon. If she hasn't revealed her face then it's not a face reveal. Surely there are hundreds of other vtubers you could have used as examples of actual face revealers instead given how common you said they were.

>>75176528
Marine's raunchy attitude works because of her kayfabe. That's why she's massively popular while other lewdtubers are not. When Marine does it, it's like you're watching a sexually frustrated christmas cake anime character which is funny and not off-putting. When others do it, you just can't help but think that they're turbo sluts in real life because they have neither the kayfabe nor charisma to make it work.

>>75176528
Don't use my oshi to shitpost you pasty lard blob

>>75176658
>the invisible gun isn’t real
Whoa, I guess beggars can stop crying about it, then.

>>75176665
So you're going to double down and say she ACKshually hasn't shown her body either since she's been wearing clothes instead of nude? I don't know why you're so obsessed with trying to dispute this over semantics when she is objectively one of the worst offenders of shitting up vtuber culture with flesh shit. Getting me to concede "ok technically it wasn't a real true proper face reveal" won't change anything. And my previous post already gave examples before I even mentioned Bao. You twitch cucks are all mentally ill.

>>75176672
Yeah, okay. Those goal posts will break if you move them much faster.

>corpos loses marketshare
you love to see it

>>75176725
no-one begged in any of those posts, tranny.

>>75176725
Are these "beggars" in the room with us?

>>75176761
I'm not the guy who wrote that wall of text and even in his post he already justified kayfabe, so no goalposts have been moved.

>>75171575
Female character that are masculine and ugly

>>75176528
I watch them since 2019, I don't know everything but if I never even heard of it it's probably highly underground, not saying it isn't bad, but if you search for western vtubers you can't stay 10 minutes without seeing a random them/they, toothpaste flag and other political stuff.
Several of the biggest western vtubers are openly supporting shit like that, no big JP vtuber supports that shit, it's always some random 1view
It's impossible to have none of them, but that doesn't matter, the people in the spearhead that dictates how the culture goes, Vshojo are whores and they're the spearhead of indies, so indies copy them and try to be whores too

>>75165338
simulcasting master race

>>75176788
>>75176798

>>75176012
the comparison was between the posters, retard, not the vtubers. you're both irrelevant.

>>75176819
Wow, two retards? Get a room and compare your plastic katanas.
You fucks are scrambling and don't have a leg to stand on with your ridiculous hate for west.

>>75164872
huh, total view time went up?

>>75176918
kek

>>75176941
Yeah, okay. That's two posts in a row where you failed to provide a proper rebuttal. I accept your concession.

>>75176918
You might be legitimately schizophrenic anon

>>75176568
Are you so retarded that you are incapable of understanding word creative?

>>75176918
>>75176965
>samefagging this hard

>>75166187
only faggots do that, most of us just shake hands

>>75176976
What rebuttal? You literally failed to show that JP doesn't do the exact same shit that western chuubas do. You are throwing stones in a glass house.

>>75176753
My claim:
>Nobody face reveals except vtweeters. You must be out of touch is you think it's common.
Your response:
>Bao face revealed! (lie)
>Waaah why are you exposing my lies
Your other examples are also wrong as the only Vshojos who have face revealed have done so years before they were vtubers, with one exception being Kuro. You're not making a good case for this being common if you only have one single example of an actual face reveal.

>>75177021
its even funnier when homobeggars start calling out samefags that aren't actually samefags while simultaneously calling me a schizo
Be quiet minority, unicorns are posting

>>75176996
You didnt offer real explanation on how your JP "old guards" were better at vtubing than todays vtubers. You simply said they were more "creative" and "different"

>>75177065
Pretending to be a thirsty anime girl who fails to get laid and settles for doujins is pretty significantly different to talking about how many cocks you rode last week, retard.

>>75177169
>>75175593

>>75177123
No one "begged" for anything moron
And stop using Korone for your shitposts. Your kind disavowed her last year in your pathetic cringelarp that has no lasting impact on the industry you're less than 1% the fanbase of

>>75177118
I'll tell you what - you post a screenshot of her vlog where she shows her non-face-reveal in here and if it doesn't get deleted for being off topic garbage I will concede that it actually doesn't count, how about that?

>>75177214
I'm pretty sure you're seething at both my post and that guy's post so what did you mean by this?

>>75177233
Roommates aren't allowed whether or not their face is showing so that is completely irrelevant to your argument.

>>75169510

Unironically neck yourself.

>>75177164
What even a real explanation is for you then? You can watch them yourselves to see how different they were. Some are still in the industry, like Azuma Lim and HimeHina. Im not going to spoonfeed newfag like you

>>75177289
But we're not talking about roommates, which get deleted for being dox. I'm talking about her own vlog on her own vtuber channel. It's not a face reveal so you won't get banned right? Go on, post it.

>>75176918
>>75177123
>tranny is proud that people call his bait retarded.

>>75177230
I will post any holo that i want beggar, you can go post your shitty little homobeggar memes on leddit (which will get promptly removed by the shadow cabal)
Whatever you do though, don't forget to cope and seethe! It's free and it really makes me laugh
Reminder: Unicorns are winning, Gura will never collab with the boys, mixing gender doesn't work in vtubing and niji is collapsing because of it, homostars will never be popular and will always be treated as useless lepers, and every single minute you spent shilling them anywhere is wasted
Enjoy your worthless life anon!

>>75175593
>she hates her fans
and it was such a reasonable post until that point, kek.

>>75177431
>admitting to being banned from Reddit
KWAB

>>75172761
>People who likes sushi does not count therefore nobody likes sushi.

>>75177274
>seething
Boy, I'm laughing at how flimsy the last samurai narrative is at its core. It has devolved into "JP is bad but it's okay because EN is worse".

>>75177469
>admitting to not being able to read
LMAO
ESL or just retarded? Who knows! In fact, who cares!

>>75177431
>you can go post your shitty little homobeggar memes on leddit (which will get promptly removed by the shadow cabal)
Go back there. You're too young to be using 4chan, Junior

>>75177347
You are literally talking about her roommate. The rules do not specify roommates being allowed just because you can't see their face. You wouldn't be deflecting like this if you actually had a good argument and both of us know it.

>>75177325
I watched some of your "old guards" Jap cocksucker, they are mid. Nothing different. They are not better like you said they were.

>>75177500
>still seething
I never even said what Marine does it bad lmao, I thought I was pretty clearly justifying it as acceptable. You're so mad that you're starting to hallucinate.

>>75177431
>this proud of being a Redditor
Embarrassing. /vt/ was a mistake

>>75176672
okay, but some of Marine's sexiness is clearly also played straight. (and appreciated as such.)

>>75172763
Stock price are poor indicator of where a company is heading.

>>75177524
>posted on her own official vtuber accounts
>roommate
Do you even know what "roommate" is? When she is literally showing her entire real life body saying "hi guys it's Bao here, thanks for coming to my irl Bao concert", on an official Bao vtuber account instead of some private side channel, it is the whore herself and not a "roommate", imbecile.

>>75177164
it sucked back then. contrarians will say it was good because they want to feel special about liking vtubing before it was popular but there is a reason why all of the old guard fell into obscurity or graduated. vtubing became more accessible which allowed more talented entertainers to enter the space.

>>75177500
No one insinuated shit except for you and your gay crusade with the 20 other Redditors jacking you off in your delusions. Fuck off and drink bleach please

>>75177431
Now the question is did they all read that wrong and think I go to reddit because every single homobeggar is retarded, or is it just the same person samefagging?
A great question for one more interested than I, that is for certain

>beggars recoiling at the mere notion of their kind being called out
>some fag that thinks anyone cares he can’t stand JP still shitting up the board
>the NDF trying to operate between all of this
>probably phasefaggotry afoot, too
Quite the oddity.

>>75177635
>>more talented entertainers
Such as?

>>75177624
Roommate is slang for the 中の人 or person inside. They are not allowed on this board, even if they are posted on the vtuber's own channel. If your post doesn't list out a plethora of vtubers who have face revealed then you automatically concede. You stated it was common. Now post the proof. No more deflecting.

>>75177553
Okay. Then JP is good and EN is good. We finally agree. Great success. Now make these other retards see the light too.

>>75177550
Well its not my problem that you have a shit taste

>>75177712
>noooooo you can't be annoyed at us self inserting everywhere including begging the girls repeatedly to do content they have no interest in doing
>you can't just dislike certain content that makes you A DISGUSTING INCEL
I will never understand homobeggars and that's a good thing

>>75177750
gura

>>75177712
>schizophrenic /#/monkey breaks containment
>another schizophrenic ENshart /#/monkey unaware he's on the same team as him
>boogeyman
>boogeyman, probably (You) projecting
Someone replace the Niji logos with Phase Connect's btw

>>75177798
>still seething and hallucinating
I was also being pretty clear that EN does it wrong in the same posts I was saying Marine does it right, my brown ESL friend.

>>75177815
The same girl you make 5 threads a day about because NO STREAM or LE PROTESTING LE MANAGEMENT? FOH

>>75177815
She doesn’t even stream.

>>75173509
Yagoo did not lost anything. You only lost if you sell below your purchase price.

>>75177686
just noticed they were all around 1 minute apart kekaroo
>>75177588
>>75177515
>>75177469
Must be a bit sad to spend your sunday evenings like this sister, care for a dicking down?

>>75172553

>JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS

Fuck off and die.

>>75177118
NTA but OniGiri, Juniper Actias, Yuzu, Buffpup, and Kenji are the people I know of in the indie scene, that are at least middling popular, that have done full face reveals. Boa, Numi, Sinder and Rainhoe do the mask thing.

It's definitely getting pretty common to show either most of your face or all of your face, which is a significant deviation from the old style gloved handcams so that they can't even tell your race.

>>75177815
Even Yua was better than Gura and she also doesnt even stream anymore

>>75165732
I check them on Vrabi on any given day. They typically have 4-5 streams above the 10k mark. Holo completely crushes them and its not even close.
They mainly ride on special events, tournaments and special releases and stuff.
NijiEN as a group had 5 streamers who were regularly over the 10k mark. That would double the number of 10k streams Niji got on a typical day. As we can see in the financial report, NijiEN at one point was over 1/3 of Nijisanji's income.

>>75177635
>Its better today because its more accessible
>Western scene have drama like twice a week
Kys newfag

>>75177819
nijifags, homostars fans and phasecucks are literally exactly the same people

>>75177819
>the only people that’d ever be against DA BOOOOIZ are from some circlejerk that should be nuked

>>75177635
>Nyanners is more entertaining than Siro
I hate newfags so much

>>75177753
That only applies when the person inside is trying to keep their irl self disconnected from their vtuber persona. The word itself is a joke which reflect this, implying that it's "another person" instead of the vtuber themselves. It doesn't apply when the vtuber is proudly showing off their real self and telling everyone that this is what they look like irl.

Furthermore, nobody gets banned for posting screenshots of hand cam streams, despite showing the "person inside". The line is drawn at shit like face reveals because that's full blown non-vtuber faggotry. But since you claim it's not actually a face reveal, then you're saying it's the equivalent of a gloved hand stream, so it should be fine to post here. Her face is """covered""" after all right? So post it, I dare you.

As for your retarded "write 100 faggots names or you lose" deflection, how about you just type "vtuber face reveal" in twitter search, cuck.

>>75178056
Exactly, that's why xhe's a xister larping as a unicorn
>>75178076
Hit close to home there BVTMtranny?

Whenever i open a thread and see people seethe about evil en whores on twitch i feel the need to mention that my oshi is a jp chuuba on like her 5th youtube account because she constantly gets banned for masturbating and showing her nipples. Thanks for reading and carry on your delusional discussion about how japan is pure lol.

>>75173660

Hey everyone, it’s our next school shooter.

>>75177635
Thats not a contrarian opinion anon, literally majority of the board thinks that way

>>75177815
>anon is right
>people boo him because 1) antis make threads about her to shit on her 2)someone shits on her about something that is not related to quality 3) someone does exactly the same thing again
Quick reminder that gura will always, and I repeat this, because its important that you understand it, ALWAYS be more popular than any of the shitters in your company
No one will reach the highs she has reached, and even 5 years in the future whatever shitty corpo you hail from will not have a single talent that even reaches a tenth of the popularity that gura currently has
>but popularity isn't quality
Not in most cases no, but in this one, you can be your ass it is
don't forget to seethe

>>75166723
>Audience for JP vtubers is pretty much normal people who are like slightly nerdy
>Many of them have normal relationships with men and women and don't think anything weird seeing a woman and man interacting on stream
Are you for real? Because it was JP being whiny crybabies about le pure idol vtubers that made Rushia and Mano Aloe leave Cover

>>75178132
Thanks for reminding me that BVTM needs to eat a nuke to his jaw, too.

>>75177313
>the black men dream
You just proved my point

>>75178212
Retard, Aloe left due to her own mental illness and Rushia was fired for leaking internal Cover documents to dramatubers.

>>75178193
And yet in /ggg/ you're spilling your spaghetti over the fact that she does not stream every day. You lie naturally as you breathe.

>>75178193
Keep coping, HoloEN will never be as popular as HoloJP

>>75178116
Your dumb interpretation of what words mean and what the rules actually are are quite different.
>how about you just type "vtuber face reveal" in twitter search
I would only find vtweeters. You don't speak English at all, do you?

>>75178212
>whiny crybabies about le pure idol vtubers
>vtubers must be pure idols, total holostar death
Pick one EOPtard

>>75178078
Time to arm the mob and declare the war, sirogumis

>>75178151
And she's an unknown who, no surprises
That's like getting 1 crazy guy from a nation and say that everyone there is like that, meanwhile 9 in 10 western vtuber is a whore, it's basically the norm now

>>75178265
>in ggg
that threads been botted to hell and high water for 2 years, but you already knew that
Anyone that thinks that thread is representative of anything instantly reveals themselves as either a newfag or a falseflagger
>OH NO I HATE GURA SO MUCH SHE DOESN'T STREAM
>if you dislike her you should quite
>repeat for literal 2 years, the exact same poster doing this
>OH NO I HATE GURA SO MUCH SHE DOESN'T STREAM
Every single chumbud just pops up over there hides half the thread instantly checks for news and posts a few cunny images and leaves, but i guess its useful for identifying newfags like you

>>75177635
im going to beat you to death for saying that

>>75174195
This. Big corpo models, Holos' in particular, look fucking atrocious. No amount of rigging can save it, if the base art looks like shit.

>>75178422
>says Gura is better than the old guard JP vtubers
>calls someone a newfag

>>75178313
>you are wrong because...i said so
Yeah I can tell you're close to fully cracking, maybe 2 or 3 more posts until you completely have nothing left to say.
>vtweeters
If they stream, then they are vtubers, no? Is this you failing to understand yet another word while accusing me of that?

I'll refer you again to my comparison between gloved hand cam streams and coof mask face streams. If the former is okay here, and you're saying the latter doesn't even count as a face reveal, then the latter must also be okay to post here. So last chance, post it or you lose.

>>75176787
Watchhour is not marketshare

>>75178403
Nah you're just out of touch. Japan is a whore country. They have vans that blast prostitution advertisements in tokyo. There's sex buildings everywhere. Like literal entire buildings made just so people can fuck in them. Softcore porn has giant advertisements with half naked women on them on the sides of buildings. Hookups are commonplace. The fairy tale world you hear about on hololive streams isn't real.

>>75177635
Yes there was a reason, and that reason was Nijisanji churning corpo slops. Remember Nijifags, this is your fault.

>>75178670
And how much of that appears on-stream?

>>75178699
A lot of it if you watch non-holos.

>>75178687
>I blame a corpo I dont like for replacing my irrelevant oshi

Reminder that if you aren't a unicorn, you are a homobeggar

>>75178546
If you're so sure that Bao's roommate is allowed then you can post her yourself.

Your list of vtubers who face reveal is now Kuro from Vshojo and Lizzy the Fast Food Raccoon. You said this was common but it doesn't seem like it.

>>75178687
>>75178437
>>75178078
The Last Kaguyafag/Sirofag/Aifag
Crying in his ruins
Reminiscing the old days of 2017 /jp/

>>75178911
But you're the one implying it's allowed because you said it's not even a face reveal. There's no problem posting a screenshot of Mito cosplaying herself while wearing a plastic anime head of herself, so clearly the issue isn't showing irl/body/head. It's almost as if the line is drawn when they start doing face reveals...but you said Bao's doesn't count so it should be okay to post here just like Mito's. Of course you knew all along exactly what I'm arguing and pressing you to do, so this sudden "no u" is pathetic in the utmost.

>if you don't list every single example then that means there's only 2 in existence because i'm too lazy/scared to search myself
Pathetic and sad. I even spoonfed you the search words, so what's stopping you?

I will take any ignoring of any of my above points as you conceding the argument, since you love ignoring parts of what I write and returning a stupid one liner for what you perceive as the weakest part of my post. Answer the questions, and post Bao's non-face-reveal (well you already blew the last chance I gave you so you're definitely going to try to weasel out of it again with no actual argument).

>>75178257

Not enough people like you kill themselves.

>>75179137
You're really good at pretending to be retarded. Do you have any non-literal who vtubers though? That's what I meant when I said vtweeters.

>>75179391
>chooses to concede with the most pathetic "ackshually I was just using the word wrong" cope even after he tried to accuse me of not understanding words
I'll be honest, I was a bit worried that you'd cope some more since my post had a fair amount of content to argue about, but thankfully you fell completely within my earlier prediction >>75178546
>maybe 2 or 3 more posts until you completely have nothing left to say

You lost and there are no arguments left for you to grasp because you yourself have chosen to abandon all arguments. Bao sure is lucky to have such smooth brained fans supporting her, since anyone with actual intelligence would ignore that whore. I accept your final concession, bye.

>>75178116
>The line is drawn at shit like face reveals because that's full blown non-vtuber faggotry.
I'm curious where that line is drawn. for example, if a vtuber did a simultaneous face+model stream to demonstrate how the rig moves compared to their face, would that be allowed /here/?

>>75179532
You lost the argument 5 posts ago when you realized you were wrong so instead of arguing your point you deflected to bitching about how roommates should be allowed. The rest of us are waiting for you to figure out what we already know.

>>75170144
Twitch and its consequence has been a disaster for mankind