/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>74883774
RELEVANT RRAT

>>74883774
>Seth dumped his legal fees on his own grandma after he lost a case from an old company
lol...

Has any of the vtubers already talked/tweeted about this?
The vtubers essentially got scammed by this Weinstein guy.
Also Geega was one of the vtubers signed to this company and she's in Vshojo, isn't she? Is there a chance she can use Vshojo to come after the guy and bring him to court?

>>74883774
>Wein(((stein)))
oh boy, here we go

don't forget msm works with ezra cooperstein in selling chinese lead powder as "energy drinks". stein helping stein all the way down.

was able to find seth's old let's play
all of the videos are unlisted but using his old gaming name you can find his channel and because the videos are unlisted and not privated the playlists are still there
https://www.youtube.com/huntzerz/playlists

>>74884061
It's still early in the day anon, the rrats will spread eventually especially when they have a huge talent like F1NN5TER under their belt

>>74883774
>MSM Talent a ghost company and ower a Fraud Thread
get an english speaker to title your thread, op

SPREAD MY RRATS

>>74884061
Not yet. There also isn't much talk of anyone being pissed at them, I think.

Question is what you would even sue them for as a client of theirs. Remember, this is not Japan, but rather it follows the western agency model, so you pay for their services based on sponsors or gigs they bring to the talent and only when the talent agrees.

So if they don't do shit, you also don't pay them.

>sigrid schizo op

>>74884294
>stein helping stein all the way down.
it's almost like they're some kind of a tribe (like idk canaanites or something like that) that always sticks together and helps itself out, like the most extreme and consistent example of nepotistic behavior the world has ever known.

>>74883774
>Seth Weinstein
A goddamn ((New Yorker)), what a surprise.

https://twitchtracker.com/grimmivt/streams/50952604285
What would make 200 people unfollow Grimmi? Did she say something that caused a knee jerk reaction?

>>74883774
>Yuzu JUST joined MSM
>this happens
My moff...

>>74887262
Even worse, she LEFT MYTHIC to join MSM.

Shit popp opopo vshojo is bad terrible i hate them pterrible bad shit bas bad is bad is ba dterible vshojo shouold not exist it' bad terrible whore kekroumouse keke lol lmao take the L lidwig connor take the l lmao kekronmouseshitcumlungs lmao it's not good bad terrible but the bad will not be bad anymore taje the bad and good ake gand and bad is not bad anymore take good and let good good the bad the bad not bad and good lmai take the l connor cumwig lmao kekronshit kek take the l lmao

>>74887227
Bot purge? She had a bot raid a while ago

>>74887227
Only thing I can think of is she was possibly follow-botted and that was mods or twitch deleting them

>>74887315
She was never with Mythic

>>74887428
Who am I thinking of then? Someone mentioned it in a previous thread that one of the new MSM talents left Mythic for them.

>>74887475
Vchiban

>>74887394
>taje the bad and good ake gand
/thread

>>74887227
Bots, following bypasses follower-only mode in chat. Then proceed to spam whatever they were designed for.

>>74884081
Best part is that apparently this isn't even his first scam.
Guy seems so stereotypical that it hurts.

>>74887475
BuffPup and Vienna left Mythic for this

>>74883774
why does geega have two agencies?

>>74888750
geega does what’s best for geega

>>74883774
/wvg/ trash should have never left /trash/, its just a /cgl/ spat between schizo chuuba, worthless.

>>74888750
3 agencies if you count her alphabet agency

Another nothingburger, I guess?

>>74889499
Fuck off Seth
F1NN5TER is big enough to toast you boipussy

>>74889499
Yes and no, it's tax evasion and whatever contract the chuubas signed might be void.
For most of them it just means they can take their name off from their talent list and move on. For the few that did business with them, like grimmi's hot sauce, might mean some issue with IRS.
Most of it can be solved on private, so you won't see a lot of public drama around.

>>74888750
She was already signed to MSM when she joined VShojo, which has no exclusivity

>>74883774
>Mad Scientist Media's LLC was forfeited to the state of Maryland
Does this mean Maryland has their own vtubers?

>>74889499
you keep posting this in every thread

>>74889767
If it goes south then you'll probably see people cautioning others not to work with Seth

>ower a Fraud
What the fuck does OP mean by this?

>>74890244
If only they listened to /pol/ they would have known that from the start.

Grimmi I know you are reading this. Stop raiding 2 view males.

>>74889499
seth pay denbts

>>74889499
Hi Seth!

>>74890426
Many such cases

>>74883774
Okay so bets on which chuuba drops MSM first?

>>74891692
Heavenlyfather

Just send it to some drama tubers. Although they'll probably only get around to it after niji's latest tax yab.

I refuse to make my mind up on the matter until Legal Mindset talks about it.

>>74890232
eating blue crabs seasoned with old bay and washed down with natty bo stream ikz

>>74890244
>>74891540
You are prejudiced.
It is in no way true that when an ethnoreligious group possesses an culture that value and actively encourages manipulating, cheating and discriminating those that are not of their own kind, e.g. gentiles, you watch out around them simply because prejudice advises you to expect them to do shady things. That's wrong.
Also, linking pattern recognition to prejudice is undeniably WRONG. Another example commonly cited in human populations to a lesser extent are gypsies. People declare their culture endorses theft so of course you'd expect one to be a kleptomaniac and take precautions, which is totally a mistake and a wrong take.
>>74890244
The same way haughty children grow up to be annoying if they aren't corrected or punished, what happened is simply that the enforcement of laws was nonexistent. If the only punishment to someone that does immoral things that benefit them was a simply slap on the wrist for formalities, what's really stopping the person from doing the same thing over and over?
And don't come saying that a certain group has positions of power possibly bails out members of their own group with slaps on the wrist. That's prejudice.

>>74892796

>>74892036
Dude is already basically part of the agency in name only. He was talking about it a few days ago on Mouse's stream while they were playing Minecraft. MSM doesn't provide him with shit. No manager, no sponsors and no merch. They basically just ask if he wants to come along to cons.

>>74892796
ogey

>>74893239
Insider here again: MSM doesn't provide anyone with shit. They occasionally provide sponsorship opportunities but almost nothing else.

This makes them one of the best vtuber talent agencies out there and this is not a joke. Most agencies are as bad as Kurosanji but better at keeping it under wraps.

>>74883774
What does this mean for Grimmi?

>>74888750
She needs all the advertisement to stay somehow relevant

>>74893239
I wonder if this is the stardard for most western agencies. I mean, does Mythic and 3AM do the same? I don't know if I should include Vshojo in this group, since Vshojo is a bit up in the corporate slider, without going full Japan type corpo like Hololive or Nijisanji.

>>74893785
Hopefully she understands how bad the situation really is. This is at the bottom of the TOS on "her" hot sauce company saucy.biz

>>74894416
3AM has management, facilitates sponsors and merch

From what I've heard Mythic is more or less a sponsorship mailing list

>>74889499
Sethchamma...

>thread for sponsorship agency
>with a number of notable talents under contract
>turns out to be a fraud
>with legal ramifications
>from a known fraudster with a history of fraud
>and potential legal ramifications for its talents
>55 posts
yep, it's a nothingburger

>>74894497
Oh no, I hope she's alright.

>>74894759
Wake me up when there's a real issue like a holo saying hello to a man.

>>74894759
Seth pay debnts

>List of rat behaviour
>Jewish surname
Pretty much every time

>>74894497
Heh.

>>74894759
Third thread by the way. Now pay denbts

>>74894497
Why is the text on all of those pages filled with template text so fucking dark?

Relevant Grimmi clips about Seth and MSM:
https://files.catbox.moe/s0b0yo.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/jfxwz5.mp4

ot's terrible bad I don't want people tob e hurt be kind here peolple let's be friends it's good to be friends work together for the good to beat the bad choshojo and not leat the whore ikekronletthekekronmouseshitcumlungshit let the bad prevail against the good friends and people

>>74896053
Happy to see you're back, schizo mousesperg.

>>74895596
Seth's an idiot, he probably thought that was good enough to hide his lack of documentation because he doesn't know about the reader modes on most browsers.

>>74893239
Why does he stay in then? It's opens him up to exposure to drama and also allows msm to abuse his brand and likeness for their own gain.

>>74896846
Given that many applied to MSM thinking it was Mythic (maybe because both start with a M), it probably would work on the average internet user.
>>74874710
>>74874783

>>74892796
here’s your star of david

>>74892704
as god intended. i’m drinking a natty boh right now

>>74897455
>you inherently have to have low intelligence to be in MSM

>>74895256
i’ll never understand why they name their children “seth.” it’s a bit on the nose, really

>>74894497
fucking hell

>>74894497
Grimmi.

>>74899659
Don't really understand who's who in the indie scene, but is someone really going to get like 20 pallets of hot sauce delivered to their doorstep?

>>74860332
I run a business in Texas.
Texas doesn't give a shit about you (as a business) until you make about 2 million.
Even despite that, you still NEED TO FUCK FILE YOUR FRANCHISE TAXES even if all you do is check the box that says "I am a lowly peasant business, do not concern yourself with taxing my pathetic, poor ass."
I cannot imagine fucking around with an East Coast or West Coast state that actually cares about every single small business.
My business' credit rating is higher than mine, because yeah, you know, I missed a gas bill, or a student loan payment here or there over the years. I have requested extensions twice on my taxes back in the 2010's.
But my business? I DID NOT fuck around. You DO NOT fuck around with your business books.
Christ on a raft how do people grow up not learning this? Mistakes by a business are literally 100 times more visible than mistakes by an individual.

> pretending to be a gay black woman for benefits

lmao

i guess grimmi should have taken that job at niji

>>74901493
Or just stayed indie because that is way better

>>74897338
Heavenly works as an IT guy and treats streaming as a hobby so he kind of doesn't give any fucks. Timestamp in case anyone is curious. Also, Mouse WHO'd MSM.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2132246660?t=9h49m

>>74900089

>Seth Weinstein
That's antisemitic, prepare for the gulags.

Grimmi... that's just negligence if you knew already and had a lawyer working on it but were already shipping out sauce.

>>74903448
Grimmi...

https://msm.gg/dogbird

>>74903448
https://twitter.com/GrimmiVT/status/1785722153633198238

I just saw that rpr is on this company's talent list lmao can't make this up

>>74903448
How long could it possibly take to make an LLC?

>>74904467
A week to 10 business days.

>>74904569
Their first tweet selling product was on 2/27 what was she doing for two months?

>>74883774
>Seth had an alternate twitter account where he made fun of women and minorities.
So he's not all bad.

>>74904830
Unironically trusting Seth to handle it like he did every thing else with the hotsauce shit

MSM webpages that used to exist but dont anymore
https://msm.gg/team/msm-gaming/
https://msm.gg/talent/kuromi-kate
https://msm.gg/talent/fuululu
https://msm.gg/talent/mrwobbles
https://msm.gg/talent/chubbabubs
https://msm.gg/talent/tiffanywitcher
https://msm.gg/talent/kyuuon
https://msm.gg/talent/hootyhoo
https://msm.gg/talent/dustin-ybarra
https://msm.gg/talent/:pt68RTH6S
https://msm.gg/category/rpg/
https://msm.gg/tag/shooter/

and some dude who posted a short about wanting to get in
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DXIBnGAhzBE

Grimmi it's obvious you are in this thread. Please drop this Seth guy before you get fucked over.

>>74906101
>bunch of literal whos
so did anyone with any actual influence or popularity or clout leave?

>>74906911
If Grimmi was capable of critical thinking she wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

>>74883774

>>74908066

>>74908185

>>74908066
>>74908185
>>74908284
other businesses of his?

Grimmi, I really don’t think you should be trusting this Seth guy, there are so many red flags, but I guess you’re too deep in to back out now.

>>74908626
The talents are victims as long as they speak out against Seth. The longer they hold out or deflect/defend seth the worse it will look for them.

>>74895984
>BL fags
that was more pavlovian than freudian

>>74907131
chubbabubs, relatively speaking

>>74906911
Grimmi it's obvious you are in this thread. Please drop your coochie on my cock so I can fuck you over and over.

Grimmi's live, is anyone going to watch to see if she says anything?

>>74910859
she already talked about it on twitter. do your reps

>>74911323
Link?

>>74911475
read the fucking thread

Reminder that Krimbo posted in january about MSM blacklisting him and the southside. MSM definitely is doing some real sketchy shit.

Grimmi seems like a nice girl who is just being screwed over here, I hope she is able to get loose and do her own thing. No way MSM is doing enough for her to stick with the sinking ship.

>>74867724
https://medium com/@sethw.perfpr
https://globaldotmedia com/interview-with-seth-weinstein/
http://twitter.com/PerfPresence
https://m.facebook com/ideafactoryonline

>>74883774
>Weinstein
Based on Vshojo's experience with Nux I thought they would learn something about trusting jews.

>>74912295
How many shell companies does this guy have?

>>74911777
Walmart being a metaphor for MSM and the local theater group representing Southside, I imagine.
It lines up with this post saying that Seth and Sigrid got schizo at the suggestion that Bird shouldn't be together with Sigrid, as it has a negative impact on the former's mental health: >>74877988

>>74912911
This has nothing to do with VShojo anon other than Geega still working with MSM after joining.

>>74912295
>Blockchain techbro
kek

>>74903448
WHY IS SHE SO DUMB

>>74903448
Sounds like she isn't being given the full story and is being screwed over by msm

>>74894416
>I don't know if I should include Vshojo in this group
No because VShojo's whole deal is that they make their money entirely off of the merch and sponsors they provide
And they have managers to help the talents, too

>>74911777
krimbo being a child predator enabler is not a rumor. anyone with a brain doesn't associate with him specifically.

>>74883774
Buy an ad

>>74883774
stop trying to infantilize grimmi, she did her moves knowing what was going on, she is not a kid anon.

>>74916282
>none of the other vtubers involved seem to have had an idea of what was going on
>but this one (and only this one) did, somehow
I don't like her either but come on

>>74916282
She's known to be really dumb

>>74916282
she literally has a cyst pressing down on her brain that affects how she acts to her own admission

>>74916282
It's not infantalizing to recognize that corpos are evil greedy orgs that purposely hide info from their employees and exploit them as much as possible. Do you think every niji vtuber is a baby because they joined a black corp? They just got fucked over is all.

>>74915903
Got a screenshots Seth? You know like this one?

>>74884061
no all the drama trannies have connections or contracts with these people, false will drop a nijisanji farted video over pure speculation but this is deemed a nothing burger by his retarded ass

>>74917355
this is serious shit anon... If he drops a video and turns out he is wrong a defamation lawsuit will be the least of his problem.

>>74916282
What are the chances that this was written by Grimmi herself?

>>74917355
Both niji and hololive are black companies but niji has always been the hateable company and it's easy to get clicks from the holobros if you have a click bait anti niji title. It's all about the clicks.

I dodged something powerful being filtered by their fugly models, eh? Could have picked any kind of model and you chose one that reflected your internal ugliness. Pottery, really.

>>74917513
The person being exploited is in the worst position to say whether they're fully informed and not being exploited.

"Weinsten" Who the fuck would join an agencu with that name? Might as well host collabs with Idol Corps.

>>74917355
False is with Mythic he isn't going to pass up on exposing an agency that makes his look like a Holo to their Kurosanji.

>>74917550
sigrid and bird don't have anything to do with seth being a retard

I dodged something powerful being filtered by her fugly model, eh? Could have picked any kind of model and you chose one that reflected your internal ugliness. Pottery, really.

I dodged something powerful being filtered by his fugly model, eh? Could have picked any kind of model and you chose one that reflected your internal ugliness. Pottery, really.

>>74918141
Ew what even is that?

I feel more fucking asshurt that the vtubers I enjoyed watching, knowingly decided to work for a jew.

>>74917879
lol lmao he's a fucking pussy, unless MSM copyright strikes his retarded ass he's not doing shit. it's easier to shit talk niji because they're the easy target, all of these drama fags are talentless hacks which is why they became what they are. failed vtubers reporting drama.

Series of events
> Sigrid went schizo because Bird asked Coqui and Meat for advice and they suggested split the channel
>Seth denied Coqui and Meat membership
>Coqui, Meat and friends were having trouble getting into cons and founded 3am
>rrat that Tob was to be a founding member of 3am based on the color on the logo and Tob stops talking with 3am girls
>Months of 3am split schizo in lig
>Grimmi cancels her Octoberfest collab with Coqui
>Rumors of Seth shit talking Mythic and 3am at cons openly
>Sigrid talked shit to someone and it got back to Coqui causing her to ban sigrid and sigrid to ban coqui and meat
>Coqui has a stream where she was crying about being afraid of losing friends
>Grimmi and other MSM back out of Merryweathers fallguys collab because Meat was there
>Grimmi and other MSM pull out of the Filian dating collab because Meat was there
>3am schizo was shit talking 3am selling ramen then astroturfing Grimmi
>Someone brought up seth being in debt
>Autist researches him and finds a mile long record of tax evasion and criminal records
>Sigrid or Seth came in and blamed meat for all of this because they didn't let her and coqui into MSM then deleted the post
>Grimmi said MSM pays taxes and her lawyer is working on getting an LLC

>>74918645
They didnt even comment on the kenji sayu drama

>>74919738
because shitting on niji is the cool thing that brings views.

>>74919350
Or maybe they just dont want to associate with proven /here/ /wvt/ trash self posters like coqui meat and callie?

>>74919857
rumao

>>74919857
seth pay denbts

First Grimmi tries to get into Nijisanji right when they decide to die from cholera, and now she's defending another scammer. Somebody please save this woman before something even worse happens.

>>74920597
Grimmi is Gods strongest chump facing his most powerful scams.

>>74919857
How would that explain tob and sigrid then? They've also bragged that they have 4chan jannies on staff.

>>74920597
>First Grimmi tries to get into Nijisanji
How many times will you repeat that when she literally said she wasn't going anywhere near Nijisanji?

>>74920955
Wait really? How and when but more importantly WHY would they do that?

>>74921002
Same reason Seth shit talks vtubers at cons. He doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut and thinks it makes him sound cool and powerful.

>>74920975
wasnt it voice acting or real acting?

>>74920955
>They've also bragged that they have 4chan jannies on staff
Is there a clip for that somewhere?

Grimmi blowing her phone live on stream

>Seth Weinstein

Picture the shock on my face at this. A jew running a sketchy casting couch entertainment business, defrauding talents, taxes and doing 99999 illegal things? Surely not.

>>74917521
>Both niji and hololive are black companies
I don't know what I expected from a /wig/ger drama thread.

>>74921320
What happened

>>74921485
Many chuubas have quit because of terrible contracts that both of them have, those contracts have even been leaked and they're very clearly extremely exploitative companies. Niji is worse but not so much that the lopsided bashing of niji is warranted.

>>74921919
Ah yes those damning Hololive contract leaks which I definitely exist and you certainly didn't make up.

grimmi gave up hololive for hot sauce

maybe seth's grandma will take on the debt here too

>>74922259
People leave, people talk, people talk about the contract. It's in private groups but it's still a leak and violation of NDA, so of course they're not going to talk about it in public. But it's well known among vtubers who are in contact with exhololivers how horrendous their treatment of their vtubers are.

>>74922418
Ah, so it came to you in a dream.

>>74922640
It came from the ex-livers I'm friends with

>>74922310
You're on crack if you think she was ever going to be a holo.

>>74922697
>livers
Nice falseflag attempt, sister.

>>74922726
it was greatly implied that she she dropped holo.

>>74922310
I want to believe this rrat. Where's the proof?

>Weinstein
(((They))) always find a fucking way...

whatever happens please buy grimmi's hotsauce I'm begging you

>>74922310
>>74923122
>Dropping holo
Sounds like cope for being rejected
Advent was near perfect, even Shiori is growing on some people
Grimi would be Kiara tier in Advent

>>74923966
buy it yourself, white savior.

>>74923966
No Grimmi, you have to eat it all

>>74923966
I kind of want to because I like hot sauce, but I'd rather not support a potentially illicit business.

>>74924765
yeah well if you don't support it grimmi is going bankrupt

>>74924406
Nah, she announced her graduation after advent debuted. Makes no sense think she was going to holo, most likely she was going to niji since they were bound to release another gen soon considering how often they do so. But she dipped out after the whole doki drama popped up. Also, "nijisanji" is a banned word on her chat, so it makes the rrat even stronger.
Most people trying to tell you that she was going to holo are either shitposters or sisters.

>>74924829
If one failed venture is enough to torpedo your life, you probably deserve it.

>>Seth had an alternate twitter account where he made fun of women and minorities.
Holy BASED
I will support whatever he does

>>74924829
this seth had her buy all the stock herself so if it doesn't sell she's out thousands

>>74925123
she also has to pay warehouse storage fees

I will be sad if something bad happens to grimmi.

>>74925311
so really seth did nothing for her that she couldn't have done for herself and he gets a cut of the profits. It was weird that they were treating this like it were a sponsored deal rather than just buying and reselling existing product at a markup

On the one hand damn
On the other hand lol

>>74919857
Don't forget, Bird self posted in trash. Dead rrat.

It's been like a day now right, is this a nothingburger yet?

I find it hilarious that all of you are acting like this will mean much of anything when every single one of these tubers is swimming in cash
Did you not learn from shondo or pippa or filian that they're all fucking rich and any emotion they convey is purely performative?
This is a nothingburger and even for grimmi this is just a minor setback becuase she has milions

>>74925892
>>74926096
so scammers should be left to scam?

>>74926096
>every single one of these tubers is swimming in cash
All thanks to seth he's the best and super cool, and not to mention funny. I only started watching Grimmi because of his Roger voice. He also helps other people be successful on his podcast. They don't just let any middle aged guy run a podcast.

>>74926186
Is that a Seth alt?

>>74925892
Hi sniffy

>>74925892
Seems to be a somethingburger and msm talents should save themselves asap BUT probably not a big deal except for Grimmi since msm doesn't do anything for them

grimmi's hotsauce enema...

>>74926096
>Did you not learn from shondo or pippa or filian that they're all fucking rich and any emotion they convey is purely performative?
Schizo-chama, your proofs...

>>74926175
Until anyone outside of /vt/ even acknowledges it's I do not give a fuck.

>>74926096
>Filian
>Autistic goblin
>Good enough actress to fool everyone but you
>4D chess mastermind
not buying it tbqh fampai

>>74928543
No money in dramafagging about this so it probably won't leave here

>>74918044
they were the springboard he needed to start snagging up other channels

>>74888750
No skins!

>>74929340
If that's true why has her page on msm always just said "coming soon"?

dont know whats happening but i'm glad i oshihenned before things blew up in coqmeat's face

>>74929950
how is this bad for them they didn't do tax fraud

>>74918044
Really this was all about Seth until Sigrid showed up yesterday and was running her mouth about Meat then deleted her message. That just ended up opening a can of worms and pulled in other streamers.

>>74930660
>a jew being a jew
I slep
>a victim of jewish manipulation in denial enters the threads to shit on people who dodged that bullet
REAL SHIT!?
Ngl I don't know any of these people but Meat and Coqui sound based.

>>74928543
Grimmi did on her twitter >>74903448 >>74904159
This isn't niji shooting themselves on the foot on public and overfeeding dramafags, it's just a scam artist doing tax evasion. They'll probably handle this mess on private and you'll hardly see any news here.
If they are professional, but we are talking about chuubas so anything could happen.

>Grimmy ditched Niji to avoid drama
>This shit happens
I hope it's a schizopost, Grimmi can't deal with shit like this

>>74883774
>Seth had an alternate twitter account where he made fun of women and minorities.
Why do people even add things like this to lists of actually incriminating shit, it just makes the whole thing look like a joke

>>74932731
yeah that just makes him sound based

I went to sleep and this thread is still here, do we have any comments from competent people instead of schizo speculation?

>>74932850
Unless msm chuubas come to give testimony there is only rrats

>>74932916
rrats that line up perfectly? just like our own homegrown niji rrats?

>>74933023
Im just saying that we got everything that is already available

So this all exploded because of Sigrid being a cunt (as always)?

>>74933205
>evade taxes
>it's all Sigrid's fault
lol
lmao even

>>74933233
don't forget
>dump unregistered business with massive debts in the lap of a girl with literal brain damage

>>74933205
no

Has I known it was this easy to groom Grimmi into making terrible choices I would have made her my gf

>>74932916
Testimony with either receipts of some kind as the Aster-Scarle Discord screenshots, or done on the vtuber's socials instead of anonymously.
Otherwise, it leaves room for the testimony to be treated as fanfiction by those who are sceptical about the claims.

Winslow bros I don't feel so good

>>74896472
that's a cute Mouse

>>74915514
>No because VShojo's whole deal is that they make their money entirely off of the merch and sponsors they provide
and venture capital. don't forget about the biggest slice of the pie

>>74926175
If they scam rich people yeah.

Any NDAs they have aren't even valid so unless they fear the mean girls blacklist there isn't anything holding them back.

>>74919738
1. Sayu asked the dramatubers to shush
2. she got lawyers involved to stop kenji, and even said she'd've sued him if there were no alternatives. she still got him to revoke the PDF allegations, so 100% victory

>>74919738
Am I the only one that thought Kenji telling people it was all okay and that he retracts his accusations was fucked? That's like accepting an apology without the victims permission. Her can't privately chat with her and then sure tell everyone to no longer be concerned with no info. Makes it feel like scripted drama for clicks but no fallout.

This entire thread makes me happy my ligger of choice is only retarded in the funny ways, such as not knowing how a map works, as opposed to retarded in the retarded ways.

>>74934470
She's not msm?

This explains why they're suddenly having their talent do PR for their agency, very creepy/culty behavior

>>74934600
I know. That's why I'm happy.

>>74934836
I didn't realize she wasn't

>>74934470
Morch can't read maps?

>>74934470
>>74934836
still she needs correction

>>74934995
She has the object permanence of an infant, it's honestly quite great.

>>74934470
Hell yeah, I love dumb ass chuubas who can't find directions. Picrel

>>74925044
You see? It is just that easy it is to get chuds to support the Jewish Cause.

>>74888750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGU99vY2Eo

>>74935176
built for mating press

>>74935328
I have never seen a clip of her showcasing her personality

>>74937412
"Hag yapping about things" is her personality

>>74938063
is she even a real hag?

>sorry for slow responses guys trying to figure out my next grift

They did a huge website revamp recently, I wonder if Seth paid his invoice. Seth, do you have any other artists or creators you might not have paid that want to come forward? I might start paying those invoices.

>>74940528
Does this mean anything?

>>74934600
She never was.

>>74933533
This

>>74883774
>all those people that vshojo threw under the bus
Vshojo won

>>74951500
what are you even talking about?

>>74951500
>a literal vshojo member
>people who are friends with vshojo
>people who have never interacted with vshojo.
????

Ive worked with msm and multiple people adjacent to the “company”.

As far as I can tell from DMs to other contracted people, no one is ever paid on time, especially people outside the US.

It all feels like a slow burning scam with a really appealing coat of paint from the inside.

Theres basically just one poor manager guy trying to keep everyone calm and get people paid on time while theres always “problems with accounting software etc etc”. Always a fresh excuse from different management.

Theres so many talented trusting suckers working for Seth, I hope they can find better work once this dumpster fire catches up to this moron.

>>74952228
Give us a story

>>74917355
>pure speculation
Like?

>>74939948
Her exact age is unknown but it's confirmed over 30 thanks to a 2 year old collab with Giri, and its been long suspected she's closer to 40 than 30. But she's also got a background in tech that makes her very fucking good at opsec so it's never been confirmed.

>>74952228
>As far as I can tell from DMs to other contracted people, no one is ever paid on time, especially people outside the US.
Another insider here, same one as >>74893522, I can vouch for this.

>>74954527
I vaguely remember False or someone else describing Mythic as essentially being cc'd on an e-mail list and nothing else. Which then gave birth to the rrats that Mythic is actually good if you're one of the very top people in it so they'll actually devote resources to you, but all the 2 and 3views in it get shafted. Sounds similar to that to me.

>>74954677
Man they were parading buffpup around when she first signed with them just to throw her off when shylily and the others got in. They havve no idea what they were doing and i almost sure shylily once vented about how bad their manager is...

>>74954677
I can bet you all the smaller MSM members that aren’t in Seth’s inner circle are being ignored even when actively asking for help, no wonder Heavenly makes it clear in that video that he’s just in MSM but Seth is not his manager.

I know for sure MSM has unpaid bills with other companies but it’s more trouble than it’s worth to keep asking Seth to pay them.

>>74955004
She talked a lot about how good Mythic was early on, but I'm guessing something changed or the appeal of it being the big new thing wore off and she's had a lot of complaints recently.
>>74955004
That was one of those things that always seemed strange to me. The site launches and Buff is there front and center. A month later and it's like Shylily, Vei, and talking about how they got Silvervale and Nyanners too.

Regardless, going into business for herself seems to be making Buff much happier and I'm glad VChiban are doing well.

>>74955206
they grew too much... Half of the nobodies from twitch are under them, there is no way to manage all these people.

>>74889499
Another nothingburger

>>74955744
seth pay denbts

>>74955744
Is that what you told the judge when he forced your grandma to pay for your legal fees?

How many times does this guy let other people pick up the tabs for his mistakes and he shrugs and says “it’s a nothingburger”

I just realized Seth has to go to court tomorrow! He missed his last court date on 2/2. Do you think he'll show up this time?

>>74957022
kek, keep being spiteful /lig/gers and insider, this shit is hilarious
eat shit seth

>>74957430
If I was really spiteful I’d show his dad’s standup comedy.

>>74957022
you should probably cover up his home address when you're posting these otherwise this is definitely doxing and these threads could get removed for it

>>74883774
Is anything going to happen?

>>74962744
I guess we'll see what happens in court tomorrow. >>74957022

I wonder if the talents know he's constantly having to go to court? Does he just tell them that he is busy?

>>74963754
He probably just calls them Mental Health Days; that's the catch all term

Tfw your manager is flakey as fuck but it turns out that's because he's constantly being taken to court

MSM members you know what Seth is like behind the curtain, you know he makes lies about people and is constantly talking behind peoples backs in discord and conventions. You should be trying to reach out to others to get the real story before you go down with him, he’s the only one who’s manipulating everyone.

>>74957022
The plaintiff is a debt collection company, so I'm guessing he'll be ordered to pay his debt to them

Wait, could it be that setting up this hot sauce company is literally a ploy to have something to sell off to cover his debts?

>>74965931
Someone posted earlier that Grimmi ahs a warehouse full of hot sauce right now. It seems Seth sold her a warehouse of hot sauce and a shitty Shopify site for god knows how much.

>>74966582
I don't follow Grimmi, does she have anything to do with hot sauce? It really looks like she was scammed on promoting a pump a dump style business offering to help Seth out of his debts atm

>>74959586
public info broski, it's like saying the president lives in the white house

>>74966730
she wasn't scammed into promoting it, she was scammed into buying the product herself, running the company, and paying warehouse storage fees

please buy grimmi's hotsauce

>>74966730
She "owns" the company from what she mentioned on stream but sounded surprised about the fact.

>>74966837
She was so surprised by it she just got around to making an LLC for it...two months after she started selling hot sauce.

>>74966809
>>74966837
>>74966880
Wow that sounds even more scammy than I thought. I hope she makes it out safely. At this point it's probably better to cut losses and run.

>>74966964
$300,000 bro

>>74967006
... Hope she is good at sucking dicks

>>74967006
Where did you get that figure? I haven't heard anything about how much the company cost.

>>74967006
How would she even have that much money? And why would she risk it unless it was a small proportion of her wealth?

Is there any news of this outside the board? I've been looking up msm and it's an agent agency, like mythical. They work for the talents, not the other way round, I've seen crazy claims about the contracts with the talents as if they were a corpo like holo or niji, signing with them, is only for the purpose of hiring an agent.

>>74967302
Unfortunately this is getting overshadowed by nijisanji threatening falseEyeD at weebcon so none of the usual dramatubers have touched it despite this potentially being a huge deal too

>>74967662
The dramatubers wouldn't report with the "proof" posted in this board, and if it's really a scam and they got in touch with any of the talents, they must be silent if they are going with legal procedures.

>>74967662
Overshadowed even in reddit who are the biggest "detective" schizos? all this sounds like a massive notingburger

>>74968095
There are a few nobodies that report on board news, just not any big ones. You'd need someone with a rep to post this publicly, but with msm blacklisting people you're risking a lot.

>>74967302
>>74967662
Tax evasion isn't as atttactive as "corpo keeps doing retarded stuff" kind of thing. So, dramafags will probably put this on hold since shittalking niji is what brings views right now.
Some people, like Grimmi (and probably some people from MSM considering the shitty attemps to derail the thread) are aware though.

>>74968218
Pay debnts Seth

>>74968218
Shut up Seth and pay your taxes
My favorite chuubas can’t stream together because of your blacklist bullshit

You can run a business in the US without an LLC

>>74968566
while that's true, what should be more concerning is the massive history of failed businesses, lawsuits, and criminal records of the man in charge of some of the most popular vtubers on twitch.

>>74968566
I think the issue is that there is NO registered business? And if it isn't an LLC then you're personally liable, so good luck surviving any drama at all.

>>74968886
Finally, I can sue tob for telling me to kill myself on stream

Every time

>>74968566
Yes, but why would you register an LLC, and then never pay your fees, and keep using that LLC's name when signing contracts?

>>74969238
Probably for scam purposes

>>74883774
>people like Geega, Lord Aethelstan, Nihmune, Yuzu, RPR, and Vienna
am I supposed to know who these people are?

>>74969372
All of those people break 1k-3k CCV during their streams, AKA more important that most of Nijisanji

>>74969464
but where's their brand sticker? i can't care about anything unless it has a little sticker on it saying it's endorsed by a multi-million dollar corporation

>>74883774
>Seth made a coffee company called Grinding Coffee Co (which didn't exist) pretending to be a gay black woman for benefits. Company shuttered, new company Based Coffee Co

he is co-owner after investing in the kickstarter campaign of Oso Holley, the founder and co-owner of the cofee company. Were are you getting all this random info from? with only a simple google search I could see that this isn't true

MSM is just discount mythic talent. Get bigger.

>>74966730
That is exactly the type of man grimmi would fall for. She loves to help out men in trouble or men who are failures.

>>74969818
They closed last month.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/oso-holley-60783311b
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/osoholley/grinding-coffee-co/comments

>>74969464
On twitch. Where you can have the tab muted and not even be watching and it count as a view and also get raided by more people with muted tabs. A good example of dead raids are raids after midnight.

>>74970172
The Holofag continues to pretend like he's not a hyper normie despite not knowing a number of notable big names.

>>74970474
Unless you prefer 2view wvt males you're normie

>>74967006
I heard its like 10k, but I don't know how much she's paying for the warehouse

>business license
A talent management agency does not need a business license to operate in Maryland.
>registered LLC
There are a lot of companies in Maryland called MSM that could be his actual company. OP has systematically ignored those because it's inconvenient for his rrat.
>was forfeited to the state of Maryland for non payment of taxes for Multiple years
There's no reasons given for why companies are forfeited on the state's business website. OP pulled this out of his ass.
>insiders begin commenting on the situation
The only guy that said he was an insider called you out for the factually incorrect shit in the OP which you refuse to acknowledge despite linking their posts.

TL;DR: OP IS A NIGGERFAGGOT.

>>74971114
Nice pilpul.

>>74971114
Good goyim

>>74971114
I've not been following this at all but I was curious to see if this was true, so I looked it up. Picrel from the association of talent agents.

Also didn't the actual name of his company Mad Scientist Media, actually show up verbatim and the site said he didn't file any taxes ever and then it went into forfeit? I pretty direct conclusion...

And then there are the numerous court cases I see you have neglected to comment on...

I'm guessing this is Seth playing D?

>>74971114
pay your taxes

>>74971572
It absolutely is. He has himself and two vtubers that work for him shitposting about other vtubers in /lig/ constantly and running down anyone who speaks out about him as a schizo. Also there's an odd trend of vtubers who auditioned for MSM getting doxxed in /lig/. Very funny, that.

>>74967069
She's good at making dick sucking sounds if that makes a difference