/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>74314707

>>74314707
There have already been 5 graduations in the past 12 months. They can't afford to lose anyone else, unless they do something really, really bad.

>>74314707
They probably put a freeze on any more graduations until the end of the fiscal year

>>74315382
If there isn't an ejaculation of graduations then, you are a liar.

>>74314707
So true oomfie

Takes time to graduate. If any of them asked to leave in february, we won't see it at least until may

>>74314707

>>74315545
It's speculation. Being wrong still won't make them a liar. Knowing fact and saying otherwise would. Nobody could know for sure unless they were staff.

Lmao Elira is a 3view now

>>74314707
Here you go~

retarded believed that LARPing faggot saying there was a queue and how they were totally a liver about to graduate

Everyone's still on the queue but Riku paused it.
They can leave anytime btw

>>74314707
They also said they wouldn't dare open auditions again, that nobody would dare audition for them, and that they wouldn't make excuses to support the new debuts. So far, they've been wrong and gone back on most of that. Just have to wait until they make up excuses for why it's okay for them to support Nijisanji again.

>>74314707
Honestly it's disappointing that at the very least Elira wasn't sacrificed for the black screen nonsense.

With how horrible they fucked up during the whole Selen drama at least a few people should have been sacrificed in order to take responsibility. Not doing so just looks like they're pretending it wasn't a big deal, and even the most normie of normalfags were turned off by how badly it was handled.

>>74316773
Realistically though, who could they punish right now? Other than Luca assuming the Raziel shit is even 20% true, there is no damning evidence that we know of that points to who did what.
Yes the document/stream name drops Enna, Millie and Elira but they only mention it refers to their addresses, not saying she claims they're the bullies. (Though I personally believe that is the case.)
Honestly the damning part of this is that Nijisanji hasn't declared any investigation into this. Unless someone drops a statement or Niji goes full retard and do another attack on Doki's character were likely not gonna see any movement on that front. Especially considering we're now 2 months into the aftermath of the Stream with little action from them.

>>74317901
At this point they fucked up and people have permanently established that nijisanji = black company. Nothin they can do now could fix it.

At the time they should have just cut Elira and Enna, since those were the 2 big names behind the drama and would have held the most weight

>>74316080
Bingo!

>>74314707
Two graduations and a termination in the span of three months is pretty bad.

In currency terms

1 Enna = 5 Finanas
1 Kiara = 10 Finanas
1 Kobo = 20 Finanas
1 Korone = 50 Finanas
1 Pekora = 100 Finanas

I wonder what you can buy at the grocery store for 20 Finns?

>>74318017
Cutting those 2 as a reaction to the Black Stream would make things worse. Not only are those 2 they're remaining popular female streamers, it looks like their scapegoating talents rather than a actual proper investigation. This isn't even factoring in how the livers within NijiEN would react.
It would literally be the opposite effect. Elira and Enna would probably be given support as well and the Black company gets even blacker unless Doki confirms it was them.

>>74318649
Obviously don't say it's because of the stream, but do an investigation, say it was them. Sweep a few of the bad deeds from other people under the rug. And move on.

Someone had to take responsibility, and from all that we know at least, it heavily fell on the other talents for why it was so bad, Elira and Enna especially.

>>74314707
VShojo is literally like 50% former niji at this point

>>74318102
Begita...

>>74314707
Paying off with 3Ds and stuff to not graduate as even one more would definitely kill any investor trust left.
I say wait for April end for the doors to start creaking, Q4 is still in salvage mode.

>>74318143
Pagpag

>>74316080
rrats be like why is everyone gone on the right side of the image huh???

>>74321028
They're only a quarter Niji on their roachmom's side. Your math sucks anon.

>>74314707
There were a bunch of graduations, sister. And there will likely be more until Riku folds EN into JP.

>>74314707
There's already been far too many.

I'll be surprised if there aren't more after Q4, but even then, I suspect most of the ones remaining have either drank the cult's koolaid or consider themselves untouchable after the fiasco.

Something is fundamentally wrong with anyone who is in there and not on their way out though. In any rational adult, watching your company attack a popular suicide victim, twice, should really trigger your either your sense of reason, if not your sense of humanity, into taking action. But the cult's grip of insanity is strong enough that a bunch of people apparently actually signed off on the black stream, even after having had the chance to think about what they were doing and having seen the results of the first attack. Fucking frightening to watch that happen, because you know it's a small scale example of the follow the leader mentality that allows otherwise unimaginable atrocities on much larger scales.

>>74315669
I'd really love to know whats going on with Rosemi. Will she stay, did she hand in her notice after learning about Pomu doing it?

>>74314707
after the next negligible financial report.

>>74323949
Just like how nazis in their 90s and 100s are still being prosecuted for their roles as typists for concentration camps, every small cog in the system should be blamed for the crimes of the system as a whole because they contributed to it and without them, it would not have been possible.

>>74314707
I mean if you want to seriously rrat here's one off the top of my head: When NijiID wasn't doing so hot Niji didn't just shutter the entire branch and graduate everyone. They folded ID into the main branch and let them pick themselves off via mass graduations. Like people were hyping up Mika joining VShojo, but her graduation was announced alongside 2 other ID's. And there was a trio of ID's before her. And I don't recall if there was another group after, but I wouldn't be surprised. But since they were folded into the main branch with like 200 members it was easier to just have mass graduations that way.

Basically: Fold EN into the main branch, then they'll flow until either everyone's gone, or only the dregs are left

>>74314707
Nothing is happening until after the next investor meeting in June at a minimum. After that is over, they will probably allow like one person to leave every three months, assuming they try to continue to salvage the branch. If they do continue trying to salvage, I don't know what the hell they're going to do now that they've blown their wad on events.

>>74318649
No, that's not what would happen. Elira and Enna are believed to be responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the branch, and Nijisanji simply can't turn the corner at this point as long as they remain in the company. Elira in particular continues bleeding subs. If you want some of the old fans to come back, the company has to commit to change and punish those responsible for the problems. Elira is close to being a 3view and Enna lost to a piece of paper, there's just no reason to keep either at this point. Their piddling fanbases don't even begin to cover what they've lost in the past several months.

>>74314707
They could leave at anytime...
But management said no.

>>74329846
Elira is gonna garner a chink audience on the 29th at bilibili so there's that

>>74314783
=D

>>74329846
Eh, can't say I agree. Elira and Enna are symptoms of a larger issue and likely wouldn't do much to fix anything. On top of that, the black screen video is the ONLY real stains they're publicly connected to, and of that, it's conflicting information too since Doki specifically stated that there were no specific addresses or personal information that wasn't her own in what she sent them. There's absolutely wiggle room for them to "come clean" about being either forced by the company to put forth that statement, or for them to ACTUALLY have been forced to make it due to legal issues and the fact that they were physically in japan at the time of the video's recording and release. If terminating Selen was bad, you can only IMAGINE the skeletons that a truly vindictive Elira could put out, both if the gurrat is correct in which case she has a billion skeletons to expose, or if it's completely delusional and they fired an innocent woman in a terrible situation.

>>74314707
Wait until q4 finish...
No way they let more en grad when niji stock get burn...

>>74316015
wrong. she's been getting about 1.4k most of the time, which isn't even far off from what she used to get

>>74314707
A female vtuber would have been fired for what Luca did.

>>74318143
brown hands wrote this. That will never be a thing you stupid faggot, you're not 'cool' for trying to make up terminology

>>74337412
>Anonymous
Dramabuff.

>>74314707
They can't graduate until their contracts run out.

>>74337172
Q4 ends on April 30 at 2359 JST, but trading ends at 1500 JST. That's a nine-hour window for any fuckery which they want to do in Q4, but haven't done it yet because it would tank the stock; so anything they do in that window will happen in FY 2023 Q4, but will not affect the stock price until FY 2024 Q1. This fuckery can include, but is not necessarily limited to, graduation announcements, immediate terminations (coughcoughkotokacough), or the closure of the EN branch.

The chances of them doing any fuckery in that 9 hour window is low, but not zero. Of course, once the "only technically still in Q4" window closes, all bets are off, and most of the talents' job security is out the window - the only ones who will be "safe" are the golden boys in perpetuity, the Krisis boys until after the Seattle show, and the talents who will appear in Reimu's 3D debut until after the same. The golden boys' 3D debuts haven't been announced yet; but if they happen before the Q4 report is published, the talents from other waves who are scheduled to show up in the debuts will be safe until after the end of the last applicable broadcast (e.g. if Ren is scheduled to show up in Luca's and Vox's 3D debuts, but no others, he's safe until immediately after the second one of those two, regardless of whether or not there are any other 3D debuts after the second one he's in).

None of them except the golden boys will be safe after the Q4 report, even if there's a golden boy 3D debut afterwards.

>>74314707
Management is probably doing all they can, through carrot or stick, to get them to stay. Because more graduations would look fucking awful and they know it. But who knows. Maybe Niji is totally going through a golden period right now. Guess time will tell.

>>74317901
Bro Nijis declared they investigated for a week or two then went all in on blaming Selen.

>>74318649
You get rid of the perpetrators not the victims baka.

>>74314707
My guess would be that there are still a number of graduations in the works, but it takes time. Also, it might just take time for them to decide to pull the trigger. Also I would not be surprised if Niji either gave them an incentive or a threat to stay on despite everything. If I was Niji, I would be offering immediate better terms for them to stay on, along with a large bonus if they hang on through the next year or throughout their contract. I would also be doing everything I can to fix the inner working problems and trying to undo the internal damage that was done. I doubt they have, cause they still have those minimum wage job postings up, which shows to me that not much as changed, unless they are sending veterans in to fix things that we cannot see. Also there could be some Sunk Cost Fallacy going on with alot of the chubas.
Ultimately, I hope they take all this criticism to heart and fix their shit so their vtubers don't sink with the yacht , but from the outside looking in, it looks like they are doubling down or ignoring the fact they just hit the iceberg.
If anyone still has an Oshi in Niji, I hope they graduate (Positive).

>>74329846
Depends of the que since when their contracts are up its up.

>>74330159
Is she?
Is she actually?

>>74337412
Lol no she was hovering in the 3k range before this so her actual viewership got cut by half

>>74314707
Black screen stream essentially confirmed Vox, Ike, and Selen were all going to graduate. From Kyo’s CCV, I doubt any of the men are considering it anymore, except for possibly Ver with law school and Hex who keeps doomposting on his PL and has a relatively insular fanbase. Harder to tell with the women because Doki, Mint, and Matara are all doing well, but the situations that led to their growth were unique. Mostly stopped keeping up with the company after Pomu’s grad, but I’m sure Vshojo isn’t looking like a terrible option.

>>74343083
Sayu is also doing well, she became a 4view
basically every nijien girl grew after leaving the corpo

>>74343255
Sucks to be Kyo tho

Females can graduate and go indie no problem.
Males are dead once they're out.

Niji learned that graduating livers too often would give them a bad reputation.
Even if there is a liver who wants to graduate, Niji will not allow it for a while.

>>74314707
My Predictions. Blue is Graduation/Quit, orange is termination.

>>74343282
Karma for being part of the clique

>>74342418
Just a reminder that Pomu wanted to graduate as early as July last year according to Maria, but stayed on to attend NijiFest, something 5 months later. I absolutely believe that Niji is offering some form of incentive (like AR Live & finally debuting the 3D's) to keep talents from fleeing until they figure out financials. I'm definitely feeling at least one graduation between Rosemi, Petra, or Scarle once Q4 ends.

>>74343083
Quinn's biggest problem is he just isn't interesting as a vtuber. The fact he had his highest non-collab CCV with his one facecam stream is incredibly telling.

>>74316080
>Selen and Zaion
>"Graduation"
Kek. Yugo was also just generally a menhera which is probably why she quit. What happened to the mass graduations after Selen left?

>>74343993
>Yugo
>quit
Lol
Lmao

>>74343993
Just look at how Selen and Kyo went
They only announce graduations/terminations after the financial quarters ends, so next month or june if they want to hold shit until they post the Q4 financial report

>>74343475
Mostly accurate, except there's no way they'll fire Luca.
They have cause to fire him, but no intention to fire him. If they intended to fire him for any of the shit he's done, they would have fired him months ago. And if they ever do fire him in the future, it's already far too late for them to pretend that they only just found out about his NDA breach; they'd lose face by firing him now or at any point in the future, because they'd have to admit that they knew about his NDA breach for months and didn't lift a finger against him because he was making money for them.

....Oh, and their business partners might not be too thrilled to get official confirmation that Anycolor views its legally binding non-disclosure agreements as optional non-disclosure suggestions.

>>74343656
Yeah I was actually thinking that. My personal pomu rrat is that Pomu was going to hold on until after the AR Live and then graduate. But after the Selen suspension and she found out about the suicide attempt and the drama behind the scenes, Pomu saw the nuke was about to go off and pulled every string she had to get out before SHTF.

>>74344840
Pomu had a big opportunity denied, that's what made her quit
No one knows what opportunity she was talking about, but she described it as "once in a lifetime opportunity"

>>74343656
>Quinn's biggest problem is he just isn't interesting as a vtuber
its called BORING GRIFTER nijinigger

>>74343656
Also, I agree with the AR Live and 3D incentives, but I would not be surprised if a monetary bonus is being used to keep them from graduating too. After the AR Live being more of a curse than a blessing a few talents took "mental health breaks" which makes me think they are pissed and taking time off because the AR live and/or got suspended for voicing their feelings to management.

>>74344964
>>74344964
My personal rrat is a 3D performance alongside her JP idol oshis like Dempagumi. Likely not possible outside of a corpo and unsure if Cover would allow it. Vshojo definitely doesn’t have the connections and an indie wouldn’t have the proper technology or connections.

>>74343475
They won't fire Luca. He's actually untouchable at this point unless they fire that one dude.

>>74344725
I mostly agree with you, but I think that assuming the stuff that was posted about him is true, there are probably far more bad things going on with him now or in the future, and without his little helper doing everything for him, he will either get another little helper and get caught, or he will yab himself so badly that Niji will not have a choice. If he is fired I would expect it to be end of the year maybe early next year.
But you might be right. They might just let him get away with everything too... Their is alot of favoritism for the boys.

>>74345120
>Also, I agree with the AR Live and 3D incentives,
They can't even use it anymore with new talents, because there is no guarantee they'll even reach the 100k subs requirement to get 3D
Look at Kunai, she's stuck at 74k subs. Vivi and Claude are barely above 100k.
I expect a new wave to perform even worse than TTT on this matter

>>74344964
Oh yeah I agree 100 percent. My rat was that she was planing to hold out until after the ar live but graduated in January to get ahead of the Selen situation.

>>74345120
Yeah I feel bad for the new blood. They are screwed.

>>74345902
Yeah I feel bad for the new blood. They are screwed.

>>74345922
My rrat is that she had no fucking clue Selen was going through anything because Selen bottles up everything until it explodes. From what I heard, she didn't even record for the AR live in the first place.

>>74316080
OP said graduations not terminations

>>74345902
That 100k requirement isn't some amendment in the Japanese Constitution.

>>74346087
If anyone still decides to sign on with Nijisanji after all this, they deserve it

>>74346087
If they applied after feb 5, they deserve what happens.

>>74348619
>>74348710
Well Yeah, but I assume all of the ones that are currently new and have debuted were most likely already signed at that point.

>>74349071
And if they don't tell them to shove it up their ass they deserve it

>>74318017
just sue everybody under the sun
Niji=black company is defamation

>>74329425
>Basically: Fold EN into the main branch
This will kill their relationship with investors, since the entire point of EN is to expand the company on a global scale. Folding EN is essentially saying they're a failure and can only function domestically.

>>74349984
i dont think they will fold it, they'll probably milk the remaining fujos for maximum profit

>>74345556
>Vshojo definitely doesn’t have the connections
The founder of DearStage and producer of Dempagumi, Maiko Fukushima (Mofuku-chan), is VshojoJP staff.

>>74344840
>>74345922
AR Live was recorded in October, when all the girls went to Japan together, with Pomu noticeably being absent because she was already set to graduate.

What they need to do is hang on and let the drama die down, keep the yabs at a minimum and get their rabid sisters on a leash. The once the drama finally slows down, SHOW not tell that their are positive changes and the bad parts of niji have been cut out like cancer.

>>74344314
She hired a lawyer who successfully threatened AnyColor to let her graduate (instead of getting fired, I suppose) so yes, she quit

>>74350930
Based

>>74344314
Graduation does mean quitting yes. Especially when she already was having menhera meltdowns on stream about not being a real man

>>74349984
>Folding EN is essentially saying they're a failure and can only function domestically.
Difficulty: EN had a 40% drop in YOY revenue for Q3, and a horrifically worse drop on deck for Q4. Their stock lost so much value in one day because of the Q3 numbers that it could not legally lose more value that day - but for the circuit breaker, the stock might have dropped below 1800.
Publishing the Q4 report - a task which they cannot not do - will kill their relationship with the investors. They can either show the EN numbers, and let the investors see just how bad the Q4 hemorrhaging is; or they can try to hide the EN numbers by merging the EN and JP bar graphs together, and hope that the investors don't notice the technically-not-illegal sleight-of-hand (spoiler alert: the investors will notice, and will be furious beyond words at the insult to their intelligence)

The EN branch is almost certainly ( > 99.99% chance ) closing this summer. The only things not yet known are the date it will happen, which livers will concurrently be "graduated" (terminated) as a direct result, and how heavy-handed they will be in (falsely) claiming that the closure and those "graduations" are somehow either partially or entirely Selen's fault.

>>74350930
>She

>>74314707
rrat : No one's graduating, even until EN is dissolved

Its too late for the remaining organs now. They'll 100% be like kyo if they go indie.
They wont be accepted in vshoujo either with their bad reputation.
At least on staying on niji, they would still get some "opportunities"

They staunched the bleeding. They do understand that allowing the graduation train to continue is going to look bad to investors, so they probably clamped down on them.

Whatever talent is left there which didn't support dogpiling on Selen are too scared of the same type of letter if they ever decide to go rogue. Selen was lightning in a bottle and properly famous. Perhaps they understand that they don't really have a following outside Niji and are just waiting for it to collapse naturally, hoping they wouldn't be hit on the way down. Perhaps they are gaslit by Niji's policies and think they would be abandoned after graduation/termination, which is enough to stop them from leaving. In any case, Niji is still in business.

I almost want someone from /here/ to apply for the positions there and blow the whistle. Preferrably someone from a country that is too far from Japan and its legal system for them to sue, but not too far that they wouldn't even consider signing them up.

>>74342418
The nijileaker stated they had been waiting in the unofficial/impromptu graduation queue for 4 months.

So, yeah..

>>74343993
Fucking newfag

>>74315669
That's not a very nice thing to do to her, anon.

>>74353691
If you believe the Nijileaker. (I do)
Is their any way for them to prevent them from graduating or just up and leaving?

>>74353897
They can threaten them with a twelve month earnings penalty for breach of contract, or pretty much anything else they want to slip into the contract while they are streaming, as all amendments to the contract are auto-accepted if you do anything related to work. That is, if they wanted to bother, the penalties are pretty stiff as is. It might be hard, if not impossible, for Niji to collect on those not in Japan, but they probably don't realize that, and the ones in Japan or ever planning to work there are truly screwed.

>>74314707
Two more weeks

>>74351254
Yeah, there's absolutely no chance of them surviving to Q2, which is my only possible explanation for why Luxiem wasn't rushed out. They're planning to use it in Q1 to show "new numbers" when they're roped into main branch.

>>74352636
staunch is a strong word.

>>74355448
Beats having talents graduating or having them terminated.
They can afford to lose some subs. They can't afford to lose even more talent, and they will prevent it by hook or by crook.
Making them believe they are worthless outside of Niji (which has some kernel of truth to it). Threatening them with breach of contract clauses (on which they would fail to collect in Canada, if the bandwagoner lawyer is to be believed), and with posting the laundry list of their yabs if they ever decide to leave. Having them blacklisted from corpos.

>>74355448
Nijibros... I...

>>74316080
Gotta love how Niji shills always lie about the number of loses.

>>74360643
For it to be losses, they have to actually be losses. Yugo, Zaion and Selen? Not losses

>>74329846
The problem is that everyone knows management is the problem but NijiEN has no visible management, so they blame Elira who is assumed to be in bed with management, especially after the black screen stream.

Whenever people complained about HoloEN they blamed Omega since people thought he was top management, even though that was not entirely clear. And ever since Dmitri Jap joined most traces of Omega have been erased.

>>74315059
What about Luca?

>>74350779
The bad part of Niji is the billionaire baby man who owns the company. Sink the fucking yacht.

>>74315545
there wont be an ejaculaiton, there is a queue and they're spacing them out, next is on the 3rd

>>74362038
Luca would need to rape Rosemi on stream for them to even consider punishing him, and even then they might terminate Rosemi instead

https://twitter.com/Rosemi_Lovelock/status/1783002933933588716
What does Rosemi mean by this?

>>74314783
shiocute

>>74355383
But who is next?

>>74363347
tfw Luca is Wose on the 'log poster

>>74314707
Vox soon

>>74351551
Yes you twitter freak, she.

>>74369205
kys chud

>>74317901
Niji did a like 3 week internal investigation it's why almost the entire branch was iced except for TTT, Krisis, and a couple from xsolei/iluna/noctyx while it was being combed over. Then coincidentally Millie has a mild vacation and Elira got sent to brazil outside of collab/convention obligations. Meanwhile other talents are breaking down and taking breaks so the graduation queue is going to lurch

>>74314707
>Where are the graduations?
Didnt Pomu and the faux black guy graduate? Is "only" two and Selen not enough?

>>74342418
The queue is already lined up and it's entirely just runts left in the branch during an economic recession, post-covid viewer recession, and an oversaturation of streamers. It would take a professional corpo effort and $12 million dollars or more to produce EN successfully at this point.
Niji spent $12 million on stock buybacks instead of its talents then wiped out the gains from it shortly after. The talents that could survive as indies already left or are being firegassed in the graduation queue as things get progressively worse by the second. It's Rikuver

>>74372107
I think they mean the graduation queue meme where people predicted we would see one graduation/termination per month.
It's 3/4 for now so I don't think it's too far off from reality.

>>74344840
If you're still around, Pomu was in the queue to graduate the middle of last year it just took half a year to get on with it. Selen's roping had nothing to do with it other than probably reassuring her that she's made the right choice to get out.

>>74345902
>Join to collab segs with your oshis
>Both graduate shortly after
>Trapped in purgatory for 2 years
It will never stop being one of the most hilarious things.

>>74349984
They're going to get de-listed at this rate and nothing can stop its inevitability so whatever.

How do sisters feel about the rrats that caused negligible damage to your brand?

>>74345902
>I expect a new wave to perform even worse than TTT on this matter
I doubt there's enough desperate 1-2 views that are also living under a rock and haven't read anything about the company to fill another wave

It does look pretty bad if you look at the number of views and who already left. Even if you don't want to admit it, a lot of them were the big ones.

>>74373045
the rrats could have been ignored if a manager with more than two brain cells to rub together was around to tell Elira, Vox and Ike not to do the black screen stream. It really can't be overstated how much damage it did. I saw chatters whose names I recognized as regulars from 2021 telling them that they suck as the stream was happening.

>>74373117
>Negligible'd 19.8% of their viewership in less than a year
>Elira slipped down to 3-4 finanas after losing half her fanbase by being a w*man in her greatest stream of all time.
Man, the compiled analytics with context on all this in a couple years is gonna be wild. Probably added to a lot of curriculums too.

>>74373082
"Ahh yes, let me leave my indie squalor behind to chain myself to a company that takes more than half my income, obstructs and gaslights its employees to the point where they make sudoku attempts and is reviled everywhere outside their home country in exchange for an extra 200 CCV per stream if I'm lucky. These paint chips taste delicious btw"

>>74314707
they have happened already, you dumb newnigger

>>74314707
two weeks

>>74323183
Give it a year

>>74378316
Do you think she's enough of a mad lass to be able to save Doppio? Can vshojo bear the weight of another male?

I this point i just wanna see the shithole burn. Clique or not, everyone there has had enough time to try and put some distance between them and the Selen shit, and no one has really tried. No one walked back the tweets of the black screen stream.

The most realistic and happiest outcome to me would be them getting off of youtube and streaming exclusively on Bilibili, and the branch getting absorbed into NijiJP

paused for ar live
rose is next

>>74372867
>trapped
Not after the non compete thing went through, she could bounce and just continue streaming, or she could just stream on a different account and just let the niji one sit there and die.

>>74379233
We have one or several schizo rosefags (excuse the redundancy) claiming she is actually just taking a break because she hasn't had one in a while. A mental reset having 0 to do with being mentally unwell.

>>74379341
Was vivi a burger? It doesn't apply otherwise and it's likely to get tangled down in appeals then quietly reinstated after election year as usual once the grandstanding isn't needed.

>>74379233
Dizzy will reclaim her wayward daughter-husband. Trust the plan.

>>74379457
She has a stream tomorrow

>>74379533
So then are the graduation claims true or is it Phasecuck begging?

>>74316015
>Now

>>74379209
I think I can personally forgive the retweets. They were almost certainly mandated (if not skinwalked), and anyone who deleted them now would just invite problems for themselves internally and externally.

>>74379640
Would be a fine excuse if several people didn't tweet it out. So to me, unexcusable on top of unforgivable. Especially from people that claimed to be close to Selen.
But still not as bad as the main three in the video, especially that Swedish snake, Ike.

>>74379209
Was Kotoka the only one that didn't retweet it in the end? I think fungus, kyo, scarle, and melocco RTd it later. And fungus went full house nigger with a personalized message.

>>74379797
Ike showing up to cry like a bitch was the most inexcusable part of it all.

>>74379797
Ike's participation was the biggest bummer of the 3. Really makes me wonder what they had on him.

>>74379586
That's why she's taking a break and had a emotional build up for the past two months ago, her AR Live segment cuts out from the stage and her 3d debut. She did all these in span of two years.

>>74316080
At this point they should graduate the rest of Lazulight and Urethra. No one will miss these 3view shitters.

>>74318143
A brown banana from last week's inventory.

>>74380282
Finana has to complete the prophecy as the last EN liver standing.

>>74322919
>Paying for trash
Nigga just take it out of the bin like the rest of them.

>>74314707
Asking why Nijisanji won't let them go? Because black companies don't respect their livers.

>>74380853
Vox assured us they can leave anytime though???

>>74380977
*as long as you pay the ETF

>>74379935
To make it seem like even the "level headed guy" agrees with their retarded plan. He was just a token that was sat there to nod and agree to what was being said. It's like when an anti racism ad puts a random asian guy in the end shot who just awkwardly stares at the camera and nods.

>>74379822
I thought Kyo, Scarle and Meloco didn't tweet it.

>>74381255
Yes, but I would think that Ike would be smart enough to tell both of them to fuck off, or at the very least have some kind of sudden emergency at the time that they were recording it.

>>74381626
Melocco tweeted after I remember seeing that slide in.

>>74373082
>>74375308
Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember, half of the population is stupider than that. They will be able to fill a generation, but they will be picking from the desperate, foolish, or talent-less ones.

>>74379822
if they just retweeted it with nothing else like Rosemi did they're probably fine, it's when they go full "Please listen to what we have to say and keep an open mind" that firmly establishes what side they're on

>>74384814
Are you sure?

Are you sure they wrote those messages under their own free will, without coercion? Are you sure they wrote those messages at all, and that they weren't skinwalker tweets?

>>74384814
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1757201436016824482 if you want to dig it out or RTs or a time window search on the livers. I thought I saved all of them but it was only hex's.

Refusing to take a stand against management and letting their public identity be used to assassinate their coworker is still taking a stand even if it's just corporate skinwalking and RTing. That shit's how Stalin and Mao got the high scores.

>>74384814
Speaking of Rosemi's, I'm having trouble digging it back up but I think that's just cause twitter search sucks. You got it?

>>74343475
as much as I like watching scarle, i don’t think she’s graduating anytime soon despite how she felt about selen’s termination.
she just got her 3.0 model as well as her vrchat model, and she said recently that she has another outfit debut thats going to happen in mid-june. iirc, scarle also has stated she has two more outfits in the works, her 4th outfit will be released in late-2024/early-2025, and her 5th outfit at the earliest being released in mid-2025.
i think a lot of the scarlings including myself, would really like to see scarle leave niji due to how much of a fucking disaster nijien is. however, i think niji is pulling a lot of strings to make her stay due to how much money she brings in for them.
if she does graduate/quit, i have no doubt in my mind she will be just as successful as she was in nijisanji.

>>74387399
Isn't scarle EN's #1 now after all the casualties?

>>74364118
It means she'll have to be "let go" in the merger instead of quitting by choice.

>>74387679
yes
>>74379822
it was just scarle and kotoka who didn’t retweet the black box stream

>>74388080
Bummer, Rosemi's model is too cute to be wasted like that

>>74383042
He joined Nijisanji, you think he's smart enough to know he could reverse the sudden sickness card back onto them?

>>74387399
Scarle may be a big money maker for Niji, but so were Pomu and Selen. Their desire to keep her in the company has nothing to do caring about her career or her well-being, and everything to do with caring about how much superchat revenue her streams bring in.
And even that won't dissuade them from making the rest of her time in the company a living hell for her. Remember that she liked the kurosanji comment, and also released the art file for the totally unofficial Scarle daki that's totally unofficial you guys, wink! Management will not forget that transgression, and it will be at least alluded to in her eventual termination notice, which could be as soon as next Wednesday, or as late as the day before her eventual "graduating in two weeks from today" announcement stream.

>>74379341
noncompete doesn't matter if you aren't allowed to leave. She'd have to be terminated.

>>74383042
Unless he was hurt by Selen in some way. They were friends. Don't know what happened. I can understand Vox with that recording, but not Ike.

>>74388910
Part of me wonders if there may have been some coercion/manipulation behind the scenes.
I'm not willing to accept that practically every member retweeted/didn't speak out about the event are all just horrible people. At the very worst I'd have to think most of them were in the dark regarding the contents of it, I refuse to believe they watched the same stream as we did.

>>74389596
I want to believe that too. I can get behind the concept that they were more coworkers than friends behind the scenes, but it's insane to think that ALL of them are scheming backstabbers and there's not more going on due to circumstances or legal threats or emotional blackmail or whatever.

>>74316531
The fact that those things happened even though they shouldn’t says more about this clown world than the people who were wrong but should have been right.

>>74379822
Fulgur always plays it safe because he knows he has too much to lose. He, Meloco, and Scarle are biggest milquetoasts and prefer to be neutral. They don't want to get booted out but at the same time don't want to get involved in dumpster fire.

>>74314707
In Summer

>>74381255
He wasn't even the "level-headed guy" though. I-I thought I knew y-you! is pretty up there in cringe retarded anime betrayer lines

>>74389596
>>74390068
Most of them aren't in Japan so it's unenforceable to begin with and before they threw away their fanbase with this scandal most of them could have stood their ground as human beings and fucked off to a successful career as an indie or in phase or vwhorejo with a buff from standing up against Niji's sociopathy. Instead they cucked.
They aren't ten years old anymore either. It was as telegraphed of sus highschool cafeteria drama tier shit as it could get. It wasn't even like they didn't know after Niji assassinated ambassador Zaion and enforced the five minute Zaion hate branch-wide

>>74384814
I wonder if you'd be that sure if Enna and Millie also retweeted without a sentence.
Because what's "fine"?
I believe everyone has an allegiance to Nijisanji because at the very least, that's what they think is best for their life and career.
Rosemi jumped ship once chasing money. She clearly cares about income revenues because her Twitch is kept alive precisely so she can make money thru it. That means, to some degree, drinking the Niji Koolaid over what Selen went through.

>>74391497
Contract terms can vary from talent to talent. I believe the contract we saw was essentially a template. Not to mention potential legal preceedings and getting lawyers involved would probably take some time to figure shit out.

Also, a successful career outside NijiEN isn't guaranteed. The only reason most of them are thriving are because they already have their dedicated audience. Is it guaranteed that someone like Vanta or Victoria would have the same/better numbers or earnings if they left?

Overall going rogue invokes alot more risk than reward rather than waiting to graduate, even now. Corpos will prefer talents that aren't loose cannons.

>>74389596
seems pretty obvious the clique and/or management heavily suggested they RT the stream
most people probably would just to not get blackballed
i fully believe retarded snakes like Hex meant it though

>>74356832
The problem isn't really losing some subs, the problem is that they are STILL losing them, most members of the branch have no subs to offset the losses.

>>74316080
Genuine question. Why do all the male models either have sameface or just look like extremely ugly caricatures of shoujoslop? What's the purpose of this?

>>74389596
>Part of me wonders if there may have been some coercion/manipulation behind the scenes.
They were probably told by PR to "retweet this please" without being explained what it is.
>>74352636
>Perhaps they understand that they don't really have a following outside Niji and are just waiting for it to collapse naturally, hoping they wouldn't be hit on the way down.
Probably this "I'd support the talent if they leave" is bullshit generally coming from people that never watched them in the first place. The same type of people that watch the debut, maybe half of the first week, then proceed to fuck of. The people who watch streams and had it with Nijisanji have already moved on, the one staying are staying. Also those that have moved on probably have a new chuuba in their allotted time for watching streams now.
Mismanagement finally managed to fuck the branch over.

>>74314707
The super official nijileaker on 4chan was just an anon larping? no way!

>>74393128
They're not going to be extradited Niji can't do anything but seethe.

No one gives a fuck what Literalwhos like TTT or Krisis says when even Niji can't remember they hired them. People do care about Rosemi stabbing her dick into Selen's fat ass when she could have taken a stand. Before she destroyed her fanbase with this, Elira could have taken a stand. They already go rogue in private discords without staff all the time they could have formed a revolt to at least keep their humanity intact. If they got fired or chose to walk over it they would have gotten a large bump of fans supporting them for making the right choice instead of being bugpeople stabbing their coworker in the back. Vivi's already doing worse than before thanks to Niji dragging her down too.

They didn't stand up for Zaion now no one is left to stand up for any of them. They can keep getting ground into the dirt since they love it so much.

>>74394535
>People do care about Rosemi stabbing her dick into Selen's fat ass when she could have taken a stand. Before she destroyed her fanbase with this, Elira could have taken a stand. They already go rogue in private discords without staff all the time they could have formed a revolt to at least keep their humanity intact.
People have started writing Marvel movie scripts over this thing. It's very likely that everyone was put in a shitty situation and going by Raziel's documents Elira couldn't do shit if management didn't want it done in the first place.

>>74314707
they just had to pay dokibird crazy a crazy amount of hush money to avoid a company breaking scandal. ofc they're gonna haunt graduations

>>74394802
She could have walked and went back to a successful career. Instead she's lost half her fanbase and will never ever escape this black eye because she actively stabbed her coworker in the back for the sake of a nip cuntpany. A deed that is immortalized in the annals of how not to handle PR. That's her legacy now.

>>74394828
What? Since when? And no, your ass or your benzos isn't a source.

>>74343282
Kyo had the problem of being painfully mediocre from the very beginning.

>>74343282
He chose to be a toxic wigger and got the result from that.

>>74395029
I find it very hard to believe that between Elira, Vox and Ike no one understood how bad this will look. If I know it and you know it - they know it too. Also all the livers seem nice to Elira - including Vanta and Kunai. If someone nuked my career as hard as Elira did for the rest of the branch, I'd go nuclear at her, maybe at best bring myself to politely ignore her.
Something happened behind the scenes - I don't know what it is, you don't know what it is. But I think we can at least give them the benefit of the doubt, accept that maybe everyone was put in a shitty position, instead of writing the script for the next John Wick movie.

>>74395029
I don't think the Tsunderia people care, or supposedly that's what a lot of fags here say, and she also didn't lose half her fanbase.
It is true, however, that she clearly put all hers eggs in the Niji basket and she is the one to see the least benefit from this despite being one of the initial six; only firmly over Finana, perhaps a bit better or worse off than Petra, who doesn't really play games and just does zatsus, on top of being a student for like half her Niji tenure. Elira, Selen and Pomu are on another stratum of success, and now infamy, entirely.

>>74395425
I don't need to give them the benefit of the doubt because they participated in the character assassination of two of their coworkers instead of being human beings. They threw away their humanity so they're reaping the consequences of not banding together and standing up against the company being fucktards. Doing awful things anyway is how atrocities happen you stupid cunt.

>>74395524
Half her ccv is gone, streams of 1-2 year memberships left her, views pissed the bed to sub-valorant numbers dunno what to tell you fampai

>>74395557
>They threw away their humanity
Who the fuck writes like this? You must be at least 18 years old to post on this site. Sure you're probably over 18 but seriously...this isn't one of your animated cartoons. Empathy is about being sensitive and trying to understand other people's situation, not about projecting your power fantasies.

>>74314707
>"Why would anyone lie on the internet?"

>>74395923
Keep making excuses for backstabbers you subhuman fuck.

>>74395425
Elira was physically in Japan at the time. She couldn't legally refuse to do the black screen because Niji would have been able to sue her into destitution, and they might also have been able to get the police involved (read: getting arrested, deported, and barred from reentry into Japan for either the rest of her life or for a stupidly large number of years)
Oh, and if the civil (and potential criminal) trial(s) lasted too long, or if her US transit visa is contingent on having a valid work and/or vacation visa for Japan, getting fired from Anycolor could potentially have also resulted in her getting arrested, deported from, and barred from reentry into the US when her plane stopped for fuel in Anchorage.

Oh, and the "hippity hoppity, your streaming equipment is now our property!" clause in her contract means not only would she have lost all of the tech gear she brought with her from Canada, but because of how vaguely-written the clause is she might have also lost ownership of the suitcase she used to bring her gear to Japan; and if they were feeling especially petty, they could have declared Petra's residence to be part of Elira's streaming equipment and taken that as well, rendering Petra homeless. Imagine traveling halfway around the world to another country for work and staying at a friend/coworker's house, and then less than 24 hours into your months-long stay your boss tells you "slander your suicidal ex-coworker or we'll fire you and kick your host to the streets, and oh by the way this country's laws allow us to do it".

Oh, and her principled stand would have been all for naught, since they could have just "volunteered" one of the others for the black screen alongside Vox and Ike.
Unless all 31 other talents joined her in protest (Kyo hadn't graduated yet)

>>74395784
I thought you were talking about Rosemi, not Elira. Yeah, Elira is fucked lmao

>>74396360
She can fly back to her parents fine. She has the receipts for what she's purchased with her own money unless she's retarded and and didn't keep them or got reimbursed in which case it is in fact theirs. Niji can't throw hands in canada without getting raped to death by a civilized legal system.
Direct from Narita to cucknada is under $300
If they want to go hard at Petra there's two nuclear footballs in the wild to say nothing of what they themselves have in order to rape Niji so fucking hard it'll get dissolved. Niji can't handle the entire world covering it doing something so retarded. Please stop posting. And breathing you fucking idiot.

And yes, they can agree to show some fucking solidarity and not throw a second coworker and their own fanbases under the bus.


>>74396737
Brosemi's even weirder cause Dizzy would take her back in a heartbeat.

>>74396360
>getting fired from Anycolor could potentially have also resulted in her getting arrested
Jesus, is this the current cope of Elira's fans? Just accept that your oshi misjudged the situation and acted like a fucking retard.

>>74396360
What kind of retard actually thinks she "legally" couldn't refuse to do that.

>>74395425
>Vox
I'm sure Vox thought he could get away with it. The fucker enjoyed every second of the stream, and even threw a chuckle here and there.

>>74396360
jesus christ this is such a reach you went to the moon and back

>>74380282
>Urethra
Kek I'm using that from now on

>>74395557
I know this may seem foreign to you considering the way you present yourself, but they have what we call careers (as dumb as it is to say that vtubing is one). Assuming these people wanted to leave and join another corpo they're not gonna do a performative martyrdom just to stick it to Niji, regardless of their reputation the action of that magnitude would make anyone give pause to adding them to their ranks.
The best course of action for them would be to graduate and prepare their resumes/PLs accordingly. Anycolor regardless has already lost considering their numbers (6 days till Q4 ends btw.) Making it worse by a marginal amount to stick to the man does nothing but make their prospective futures worse for at best a marginal gain on their redebuts.

>>74399467
How's that working out for Elira's "Career" which is now irreparably ruined? Instead of getting Niji to back down in private they're all burning in the fire with it by the way.

>>74399467
Different anon. I could see some of the livers being able to continue as a indie or joining another corp, but the issue at least with elira is that she nuked her pl and unless she somehow clears her name she will have a mark on her back for the next while if she does decide to get out soon.

>>74399467
>The best course of action for them would be to graduate and prepare their resumes/PLs accordingly.
The best course of action would have been to lawyer up and negotiate your way out of the contract based on reputational damages and that this February scenario was an unforeseeable and unreasonable expectations based on the contract as written. It's not unreasonable that if it went to court, they'd have gotten off scott-free, hell, even in arbitration, it's unlikely they'd award nijisanji more than a nominal fee (especially since the contract is pretty damn unenforceable in the first place).
But that would require a level of maturity, awareness and rationality from what is essentially a bunch of retarded and emotionally-stunted 20 y/os who aren't just terminally online, but worse, are streamers.

>>74399467 (Me)
>>74400012
>>74400054
I should clarify, Elira is the exception here. She's turbo fucked regardless (post-black screen that is. There is barely any info on what went down to have the BSS happen) which honestly makes me question what's her part in all of this. (You could probably make 5 different narratives/conspiracies on the stream alone before accounting for other rrats and implications.)
Regardless, what I said still applies to the rest of the talents. Too much risk for little gain. Just hope your oshis have a escape plan.

>>74401290
I will concede that really, lawyers should've been frame 1 of that bullshit happening.

I'm just trying to be optimistic and go with the mindset that the talents are probably feeling absolutely terrible right now. Especially considering that a few have gone on mental health breaks since.

>>74314707
give the roach some time, she is working on it.

>>74401493
Anyone who did it would have been ruined that's why the cope that they were forced to is retarded. The vtuber community is too tight to stab someone like that There's no risk either as long as nobody other than the white monkey and bullytheria broke. Niji would have just malded, suspended them for 2 weeks, which they were anyway due to the investigation lmao, and then moved on.

>>74399467
>6 days till Q4 ends btw.
But only three trading days: Today (ongoing), tomorrow, and Tuesday. The TSE will be closed in Monday due to the Showa Day holiday.
Next weekend will be a four day weekend. The market will be closed on Fri 5/3 for Constitution Day, and Mon 5/6 for Children's Day

>>74314707
What do you know about behind-the-scene happenings?

>>74314707
Wait until the year is overat least to make this thread

>>74396360
Or she is a bitch when dealing with Selen and was more than happy to do it to get 'the win' on her channel for all time. Guess how that turned out. Pissed Riku off so much he keeps it up on her channel to shame her.

>>74399467
>but they have what we call careers
I'm an engineer, if I were to start disregarding ethical and safety requirements because my company demanded it, it would not matter one bit that my company demanded it. It is 100% my responsibility and if something happens, while my company would get some shit for it, I would be the one to suffer the consequences.
My career from that moment on would be ruined and nobody would hire me again.

For most real careers, ethical behavior and requirements aren't just a suggestion, you face legal retribution for failing to uphold them.

While vtubers obviously do not have the stringent ethical requirements of other career fields, their career is based upon people liking them. A vtuber who fails to uphold what is commonly accepted to be ethical behavior by pretty much every civilized human being on the planet, is not going to be able to do her job. Any future employer will see her history and immediately doubt her professionalism and abilities to make intelligent decisions.

You retards never seem to grasp how actual jobs work.

>>74388658
Management literally did not care about the dakimura Scarle commissioned. She paid out of pocket to get it commissioned.

>>74394133
Fujos love those types of pretty boys. Ever wonder why there's no popular buff, rugged kpop bands?
>>74399467
This is unfortunately reality. It's nice to divide everyone into "good" and "bad," or "supported selen" or "betrayed selen" but the truth is that it sounds like everyone in that company with a face is kind of fucked to different degrees. Every single member who's left the company has had varying levels of crippling self doubt and imposter syndrome, and they've all left with the feeling that if they ever tried to work again without the backing of the big N, they'd never succeed. The worst part is that in a lot of cases, they're right. Many of them will likely return to being 2views with time unless they drastically change their content style from "comfy part time streaming" to something more proactive. Nina and Selen are networking machines now and able to get her own resources. Kuro and Pomu a rare cases of a great content creator who can't seem to do much logistically, and even Sayu's got many skills in both avenues, though she's still struggling with the whole "Niji fucked over my career and mental state and now a significant portion of twitter thinks I'm a pedophile" nonsense, so it's kind of a miracle she was able to recover.

Quinn's slow downfall is the likely result for most of the remaining Niji members. Granted, 4-500 is still a fantastic viewer count for an indie, but it's a far cry from what they had before (Except Kunai.)

>>74403334
So, basically, it remains to be seen how fucked they really are after Golden Week.

>>74343475
Could someone edit one of these were instead it is highlighted who are Eliras irl friend, hanamori ppl and people outside hanamori Nova would frequently collab with?
Would be interesting to compare how it correlates with this graph.

>>74411589
>Quinn's slow downfall
what are you smoking???

>>74414739
cuz he's still falling very fucking slowly and running out of viewers to lose

>>74314707
They got an Announcement from management. "Graduation will be put on hold until further notice."

>>74399467
>but they have what we call careers
That is not a valid reason to potentially cause a suicidal meltdown live on air.
Regardless of morality and even legal consequences they surely were aware that once that stream went live their careers were finished. No other corpo would hire elira and vox after that stain, all they were doing was setting ablaze the bridge to the indie world.
They had better chances of a career by telling the black company asking them to commit potential manslaughter to bugger off than they did going along with it.

Yet go along with it they did. Which is why it's very likely they weren't fully coerced into it and why they deserve all the shit going their way.

>>74415205
They really thought it was gonna go well with the viewers

>>74410094
I'll have to disagree for the most part. While Elira, Ike, and Vox definitely apply under what you say, the rest of the talents are barely at fault. Based off what you said regarding on what their careers are based upon, none of the talents outside of the 3, Enna and Millie are facing any backlash about the stream outside of here.
They'll still be questioned about their time there, no doubt about it, but barring new information their involvement for what went down in Nijisanji regarding Selen and the following events they'll be fine. Can't say the same for some talents when we consider events outside of the Selen drama though, Uki, Hex and Luca (and maybe Aster if those allegations have more proof) are highly unlikely to get back in a corp after this considering their dilemmas.

>>74415205
I still think it's hilarious how unscathed Ike ended up since if he really wasn't forced, he acted the best out of all 3.

>>74314783