/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

is it all downhill from here?

My Mocochan

>>74252411
until they stop shoving jp streams into their agenda

It's only fair if we kiss Koyo now, maybe then FWMC will understand how it feels
Right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxcHD2Ae514

>>74252411
We just don't know

>>74252411
Wait until they address the VOD comments or wait until the week after GW. If they do weekly JP streams, then they officially went back on their initial promise, which means it's over.

>>74252411
even if they were to completely ditch the jp streams something broke yesterday, so i'd say so

>>74252411
will see next week

>>74252152
gorilla…

Can you guys stop being such drama queens now

>>74252466
This coyote is going to have to take me by force

They talked about having JP lesson streams, what are your honest thoughts?

>>74252576
the first one was fun, realistically it won't be good for learning but it'll be fun

Korone will fix their fashion sense and have sex with them

>>74252564
no

>>74252544
we are not good enough...

>>74252411
it's never been more bauver

>>74252564
No.
They wanted us to be this way.

>>74252576
Their JP lesson stream was a lot of fun. I hope they also do the EN lesson streams they talked about a while back

>>74252576
i doubt any sort of lesson stream will be able to teach anything worthwhile aside from niche topics. everything else you’d be better off self studying for because the pace and scheduling of a stream means they’d have to go slow as fuck.

I am the last Ruffian, every poster after this is Pero

>>74252576
could be fun but the first one was too advanced

>>74252576
worthless for learning, I'd rather have more donkey kong
but it will be fun anyway

Fuwawa and Mococo will walk in on me being petted heavily by the needy coyote hag and it will make them reconsider as their jealousy flares up

Fluffians and Fuzzians

>>74252564
Not until FuwaMoco clears things up with ZERO ambiguity.
Right now, every single JPschizo rrat is simultaneously true and false at the same time.

>>74252411
Yeah, EOPs got scammed

>>74252411
Im retarded, but I'm going to trust them, for better or for worse.

>>74252755
The who and the what now?

>>74252576
always been in favor of another one, doesnt make me want to deal with jp streams though

>>74252758
schrodinger's rrat or ddog

wtf Shiori just peed on me

>>74252411
Maybe

It's funny that if they had just made it a one minute part of the stream and simply announced that 1. they'd be really busy for a bit soon due to off-stream holo work and 2. golden week would be special and full of jp content, collabs and streams then we'd only see at most 15% of all the menhera and shitposting we see now.

So that's on them in a way. They just had to make it all sound so much worse.

why does everything have to be so complicated…

cake....

wtf shiori is peeing in my mouth

>>74252755
I’m a Wuffian.

>>74252903
Hot.
Can she pee on me next?

>>74252918
Fluffy...

>>74252982
isn't he a jailbird why does he care

>>74252792
Yeah, same. I choose to trust them like I always have. I don't know if they'll truly go back on the things they've said in the past or significantly change in any way. It'll be a shame if they do, especially after being consistent with their words and actions for 8 months.
We'll see how the coming days look.

i love my wives

>>74252982
Grim

>>74252982
Good. Fuck all you menhera attention whores. We’d be better off without you.

>>74252960
hard agree. Mococo crying actually made me tear up, definitely felt way worst than what actually was said

I'm unsubbing

>>74252960
Their brains are wired for drama

I just unfollowed them from TikTok

>>74252960
They're menhera and, despite what people /here/ say, they unironically DO love us an absurd amount. They know focusing on growth first will hurt their fans and potentially alienate them, so that's why it was never going to be a simple 5-minute announcement.
why do you think they cried SO much during the SC readings?

>>74253218
>why do you think they cried SO much during the SC readings?
hundreds of hours of DKC lost...

>>74253218
To manipulate us emotionally like all women

I'm bringing them back to the dog pound.

>>74253185

>>74253131
Emotional manipulation.

>>74253131
Her crying made it feel like it’s going to be way worse than they are letting on. Like they know it’s going to be so bad that a lot of people are going to leave. I don’t think it will be, but that’s how they presented it. I just want to know what made them pull the trigger on the switch. Is it that there’s only really 3 months left till their anniversary?

>>74253265
I love my Mocochan

Realistically speaking isn't everyone a huge loser with this change? The only people who stand to benefit is them and that's ONLY if their gamble pays off

>>74252565
Assistant-kun?

>>74253261
>To manipulate us emotionally like all women
If thats what they were doing, then they're pretty fucking bad at manipulating. They made everyone more menhera than they'd otherwise be and caused some pretty hard-core fans to feel super fucking worried about the future of their streams.

>>74253322
if they don't try it will never pay off so I am okay with this, I believe this is the year they dominate hololive and the vtuber sphere

>>74252565
Koyo is used to taking Joshus by force

>>74253322
I get to spend more time with them so I'm the winner

>>74253322
Correct. The announcement was basically
>see this thing you like? it'll get replaced with things you dont like nearly as much
>please be excited about it

>>74252411
Theyd be able to be mid tier vtubers in JP at least even if they stopped streaming in English so no.

>>74253351
Well that's the second secret, they are VN lovers so they want everything to be as dramatic and emotional as possible

>>74253309
thats one way of looking at it. I just kinda wrote off her crying as a combination of this issue, the denpagumi graduation, her health causing the rock and rawr party to be cancelled and general stress about this and other bts stuff all coming to a head.

>>74253322
>JP fans are being treated like an obligation rather than real fans. Will only get pity streams, and most won't stick around
>EN fans will get less streams in favor of JP streams and will experience FOMO
Yeah, pretty much. They basically described their actions as sub growth and used "reaching out to JP fans" as a sort of excuse imo.

Who’s going to be the first paypig casualty? Be it by oshihen, or suicide.

>>74253218
why are so they dumb, why don't they just NOT do any of this and focus on their existing en fanbase?

>>74253322
I don't really lose. I don't care too much for more JP solo streams but they don't bother me much either.
What I am happy about is more JP senpai collabs as I've always wanted to see FuwaMoco mingle more with holoJP.

I just wanted a review of their goals and what they had accomplished over the course of eight months...instead we got THAT...and now we're dealing with THIS...

"Don't worry!", they assured us in the title. That was a goddamn lie. They interrupted the battle plan to lay it on us that they'd be entering a bit more into JP territory for Golden Week. That would have been fine in and of itself, but instead they broke down and continued to drag it out for not just the remaining duration of the battle plan but for the stream as a whole. And then there was SC after SC of people pouring out their hearts to these girls to assure them that while we had some mixed feelings about the whole thing we'd still support them as much as we could. But that didn't matter. None of those words mattered. They went through one ear and out the other. They were repeating themselves over and over again.

The first mengen for the doggy pack in what felt like so long and it was another menhera episode but this time on stream. I fucking hated it. Every single time Fuwawa or Mococo began to sob, or Mococo went on her automated "If you..." tangents, I groaned. It was emotionally exhausting to listen to.
>well, you could've just turned it off!
I wasn't about to leave them when they were at their most vulnerable. I kept on giving headpats and words of reassurance and encouragement in chat but nothing seemed to matter. And now, we're dealing with the effects of it all.

god damn shit fuck man. bau bau.

This split has been like 10 posts/min for the past day. The fuck you guys even have left to complain about?

>>74253513
they can't grow like that

>>74253496
Unironically itta.

Why are they so obsessed with sub growth at this point in their career? They're already doing well and living their dream. Seems like a bad gamble.

>>74253467
they clearly said they will do those in japanese for their senpais to feel comfortable

>>74253551
but they can

>>74252411
yes that was obvious 2 months ago

I'm confused, should I keep watching Fuwamoco or not?

>>74253576
>Why are they so obsessed with sub growth at this point in their career?
Cover likes that big flashy 1M. They even put sub numbers next to holo for their train advertisement. Koyori talked about it before.

>>74253465
Mococo would cry over the drop of a hat but damn if it didn't hurt.

>>74253465
Sorry I think I worded my previous post a bit unclear. I don’t think that’s why she did cry so much, like you mentioned the migraine, letting ruffians down by cancelling, denpagumi, and announcing the change were all to blame for her being so emotional. Just in the moment when someone is breaking down telling you about a change they’re planning on making that affects you it makes it feel like a bad change for you.

Smile has gone unprotected... Oaths have been broken...

>>74253551
they grew just fine so far even with all the worries that surrounded them given previous experiences with holoEN

>>74253576
Because, like it or not, Cover puts a LOT of stock into sub count. If you have 1 million subs, you objectively get more opportunities. Im not just talking about the "wish."
This isn't even speculation. Other girls like Koyori have talked about this before.

Thank you for the deep and heartfelt stream even if you felt a little silly there for a bit!

Sorry for all the negativity in the comments from the doggy pack, i honestly expected better from the ruffians.

Ruffbeat shitting on you guys.

Kanata's new outfit kinda looks like half Fuwawa half Moco-chan

>>74253548
Soon

>>74253761
i dont see it at all, meds

>>74253653
This. It's also why merch is so important. I've been fucking shouting that for years but people still think "SCs and CCV" matter to corporate suits. That's why Mori gets a ton more sponsorships than other Holos with much higher CCVs.

Is this the anti FWMC thread?

>>74253686
yeah, 100% agree with that

>>74253850
its the FFA thread

>>74253746
A FUCKING RUFFBEAT

>>74253576
Well that might be an excuse. My guess is that they just want to stream in Japanese and needed to make some excuses for it. They arent as individualist as Irys or Bae who dont care much about such things.

>>74253813
Mori also makes a lot of music though. The only talent who sells tons merch without also pumping out songs is Gura.

>>74253850
Surprisingly, this isn't as bad as it was a week ago imo. The threads feel like they've mostly been menheraposting as opposed to TRUE antiposting.

>>74253813
Mori is a special case because her music set her apart from my holos. But yes, Cover really emphasize alot on subs. Is why aki have this inferiority complex because her subs are the lowest.

>>74253896
FFTA*

How much Japanese can I learn in a week?

>>74253547

>>74253939
>>74253972
Yes but she also has over 2 million subs which is the easier sell to suits. IRyS made a lot of music too. Azki makes a ton and her music is better than Mori's but she doesn't have the numbers.

>>74254000
hiragana, katakana, and some basic phrases

>>74254000
all the kanas easily
if you've watched anime at least once in your life you probably know a few words

>>74253547
lol you are fucking gay

so what's your plan for the week of no streams?

>>74254079
Biboo

ok i'll admit im retarded but give it to me straight, arent most of their goals only really likely to happen in JP? Stuff like interacting with Japanese comedians, their own TV thing, is any of that really possible in the EN scene?

Koyori is gonna borrow me for a minute Fuwawa, I'm sorry

>>74254079
Wake up every morning and pray i don’t give into the negative thoughts while I’m shaving or driving to work.

>>74253992
fuck you marche

>>74254108
>is any of that really possible in the EN scene?
Mori is literally singing an anime ED, talking to a comedian should be easy

>>74253992
politely go fuck yourself marche

>>74254108
It's a feedback loop. JP has all the opportunities so ENs who really want it move to JP so JP has all the opportunities so.
There is a slight hope that the NA branch office might make things better but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>74253813
the ccv horse racing is just for us to have fun but also helps to know the next trends
meanwhile suits keep stuck with retarded archaic numbers and have no idea hw to grow them and usually takes retarded decisions following the loud minority and retarded agendas
this is why holomanagers ideas are flops all the time
I fucking hate BJ slop

>>74253992
consider suicide, marche

>>74254079
Find a new oshi, goto the gym, and try not to start drinking again.

>>74254000
Kawaii means cute

>>74254037
>Azki makes a ton and her music is better than Mori's
IRys and AZKi mades a ton, but their music numbers are way lower than Mori. Mori's rip has 39M views, only behind Marine's and Suisei's orisongs. I think Mori is also ranked 2nd on spotify, right behind Suisei. Suits really care about these things.

>>74253992
FUCK YOU

>>74252411
downhill for EN ruffians, but uphill for JP ruffians the more they do interesting collab streams with the JPs.

Let me get this straight, the reason this thread has self imploded on itself over the last day is because they said they would do more JP streams during Golden Week? A week vacation Japan has so people will have more free time to watch streams and there’ll be more opportunities to collab with senpai? We already knew since the beginning they wanted to reach 1 million subs in a year and this is a big opportunity. Not to mention we always welcomed the JP senpai collabs before.

You will never leave them

>>74252792
based, no reason to spiral into despair pre-emptively, there'll be time enough for that later if things go south

>>74254339
Unfortunately they were extremely vague so we don't know if the whole week is JP only and what will happen to the balance after that.

>>74254339
6 WHOLE JP STREAMS
AIIIIEEE MY FEELINGS ARE CLOUDY WHAT IS HAPPENING

>>74254339
Yeah but it was in a member's stream, which is notorious for bringing raiders, and they were being over dramatic about it.

There's a difference

>>74253992
hate advance, love the original

>>74254079
I'm just gonna take the week off. I'll do what I did during their move and focus on some other stuff in my life.
no big deal, i guess. the streams will be at inconvenient times for me, and I don't know enough JP to truly enjoy the VODS at the moment.

This whole tthing mademe gain some respect for Bae, I don't like her but atleast she let the audience know from day one exsaclty what they were signing up for and has remained the same

>>74254339
Partially yes, mixed with doomer posting about increased JP streams in the future in general, "abandoning" their EN viewers.

>>74254383
>people doomposting about leaving them since last night
ruffians are neutered

I really don't get why they are so OVERLY considerate of the JPs and JP fans.
>We don't want the JP senpai to feel nervous and out of place
>We don't want the JP fans to not understand
Meanwhile it's been like that for YEARS with EN fans. Even shitters like Ame and Fauna break out their best broken Japanese to accommodate them. All the big events are JPs. The only JPs I give credit to are Nene and Polka, Nene brings her poketalk and Polka always researches things to say or is entertaining beyond language. It feels like they are pitying people who are already at the top of the pile.

>>74254437
I played both but I always found Advanced more fun

>今度, 今(now) + 度(counter for event)
>this time, right now
>recently
>somehow also means next time, another time

>>74254452
Even her biggest gachikoi was abit upset when she signed up for VCR lol.

>>74254079
roaming from stream to stream

If you watched hololive streams before EN was ever even a thing I can't see how this has any bearing on you

>>74254339
Nah the difference is the week might be 100% in Japanese, and they're gonna do more solos going forward, which goes against promises they've made. They literally cried for 3 hours about it, so they themselves are aware of this.

>>74253992
Marche should have been a girl so there'd be lots of porn of her trying to tell people to stop with the escapism and then her getting corrected and enjoying the fantasy sex that she'll never have if she returns to the real world.

>>74254503
context dependent

This is the world you create by posting huge Ws. There's never a positive to doing it, it only hurts others and incites cloudy feelings for those who missed out.

>>74254383
But that's what they told us to do

We are in a recession of good content and the banks just gave even more bailouts to the big corporations (the JPs) while the ordinary man (ENs) are left to rot.

>>74254339
maybe if they didn't spend like half the stream whimpering and crying it wouldn't have gotten this bad, they need to be more transparent because most of this fanbase is retarded like them and it will freak out over the dumbest shit

>>74254543
Even prominent members who literally watch JP, like dogstrings, said they won't be able to enjoy the JP streams as much as the EN streams.

>>74254587
wwwww

>>74254486
its not really "overly". irys already does that. she just doesnt talk about it while fwmc talks everything about it

>>74254587
Funny gooks

>>74254500
1 or 2? imagine fuwamoco playing it

catch me up fellas, are we still accusing anyone who is anything less than delighted with these changes a sister like last night, or is there actual room for discussion now?

>>74254587
Those images aren't manipulated enough

>>74254587
>hahahaha, it strengthens both abusers and lovers
based gooks

>>74253580
>JP collabs will be in JP
This has been true before the stream. Why would they phrase it so badly?

AndyTran seems like you're about to be working overtime this week buddy

>>74254617
I guess it's time to pin the blame on the jews

>>74254710
sisters the whole lot of them

>>74254503
you'll get used to it

>>74254410
I’ll admit they were vague and exaggerated but honestly when are they not? Not to mention despite past incidents where they’ve assured everyone everything will be fine there’s always been som doom posters that stayed constant. They’re probably just really trying to emphasize that it really isn’t what people they think it is.

I know nobody else cares about this because you all hate ruffians, but one inevitable outcome that I'm upset about is the community split. Right now they have fans of all timezones, but we all gather at the same spot. We have some notable archivefags, and when they're reacting to the archive, they talk to US. When they get to catch live on weekends, they join the same chat as US.
By serving two diametrically oposed timezones, you will inevitably create Group A and Group B. There will be SOME overlap, but most of Group A only watch Group A streams, and same for B. It's essentially two channels.
Will A and B have different inside jokes? What about our relationships to them? How will the B gachikois react if they notice Fuwawa is extra giggly when the A paypigs flirt with her? Here come the new menheras, "we will never be Group A, they like the OG more".
I don't see anything good coming out of this, community-wise.

>>74254661
Yeah, strings can only follow along because he has the entire metal gear franchise memorized.

>>74254678
I think it's overly because FWMC were talking like these poor JP fans are starved for content when there are literally more amazing JP talents then there are EN talents total. For every La+ or Shion or Ayame, there's a Fubuki, Okyau, Korone, Watame, Koyori, Pekora, Noel.

>>74254710
>are we still accusing anyone who is anything less than delighted with these changes a sister like last night
Some still are, but I think the VOD comments made it pretty clear that a large percentage of actual Ruffians feel the same way.
There are some obvious posts by shitposters, but most of it just seems to be menheraposts about the future of their streams.

>>74254781
>they’ve assured everyone everything will be fine
More like they were assuring themselves

>>74253218
do they really? every day it's harder to trust anyone

>>74254729
because people wants to see jps speaking english
but people forget that jps are japanese and japanese fears english fr fr due they being groomed into thinking that if they do something wrong they explode twice

>>74253609
Unironically 2 more weeks
With how they phrased everything, the schedule after Golden Week will be the make or break

>>74253580
literally their first JP collab was like 99.99% JP

Idk what their mindset was. Always tried to collab with JP chuubas who can speak broken english or something?

>>74254339
Two-week break afterwards.

>they isolate themselves from their genmates who are now close with each other and ID
>anyone who said anything was called an anti
>they announce their move to Japan
>anyone who was concerned about the future of EN streams was called an anti
>they go mia for 6 weeks because they couldn't find an apartment
>anyone who called out their hasty decision was called an anti
>now they're full on pandering to JP fags and increasing their JP only streams while lessening all of their other streams
>anyone speaking out is being called an anti

I genuinely don't understand you people. Do you just blindly defend all their decisions even when they make big mistakes? That's not even being a fan that's just being delusional. What's wrong with you?

I just wish EN was better so not everything rested on Fuwamoco but they are the only halfway decent ENs we have.

>>74254590
Whomst? I want to reply with the big W’s I got today.

>>74253746
I'm gonna throw up...
Who the fuck cares about a deadbeat?

>>74254339
>one week of japanese only streams on a timeslot that most of us cant watch
>followed by a long break due to "homework" (we already sw what that homework includes)
>followed by less streams in general
>those less streams will now include japanese only streams att japanese timeslots
It is a bad deal all arround EN audience is getting nothing out of this while the japanese auddience gets a lot.

>>74254543
Timezones. I'm at work during JST prime time, I'm not at work during PST prime time, even if I have to go to bed at some unreasonable hours at times.

>>74254587
What did the Korean bros mean by this?

>>74254951
It's only a matter of time until they collab with a homo and then you'll get called an anti for pointing out where they fucked up in that

>>74254951
call anyone you disagree with a sister or anti
if you get proven wrong later just switch stance and say you knew all along

>>74254587
I had no idea there are Korean ruffians out there.

If you asked /vt/ before Advent existed, your girl getting to collab with the legenday JP senpais from Hololive would be great honor and you would be ecstatic about the prospect of that happening. If you were to complain about "oh no Japanese fans are going to steal our girl" your would be laughed out of the room.
Where we are now is a result of a successfully planted false narrative, that was spammed by trolls until it got picked up and echoed by the most susceptible minds. It's literally made up and doesn't exist other than as a tumor in your mind. Since 2019 you should have learned that anything that gets repeated enough times becomes 'true' and that you should NOT trust your gut feeling when you know that you are under psychological attack, which was obvious back in 2023 during their first JP stream.
Unfortunately, as fuwamoco are /here/ the cancer took hold of them as well.
Ruffians that are not /here/ were probably very confused when they burst into crying, because with their straight minds they wouldn't understand what could be so horrible or upsetting about going for some fun collabs with the JP senpais. In minds of normal people, that would be expected and encouraged given fuwamoco's position.

>>74254951
>I genuinely don't understand you people. Do you just blindly defend all their decisions even when they make big mistakes?
Have you been reading the thread or the VOD comments? This is the MOST openly critical/worried I've ever seen the Ruffians before. It's to the point that I unironically feel like they have to address it properly in mengen soon.

THEY WILL CRY AGAIN WHEN THEY SY THEY WANT TO PLAY LEWD GAMES

日本の会社
日本の趣味
日本人になりたいの配信者
日本語のスレ
日本の掲示板

>>74254661
Fuck that autistic faggot, he’s made his bed with all the mint shilling and collab begging. Insufferable cunt he is.

>>74255014
Mococock

>>74254799
There are JP fans that oshi FWMC though. They exist and they want to be considerate of them too

Their fear is that they will lose these fans over time. Kiara talked about this sort of thing not too long ago and I guarantee you that FWMC have the same concerns that 3 years from now they'll be sad they lost JP fans too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAynWpH86uw

Pretty sure someone's planning to burn down the Akiba Mister Donut branch in order to send a message to them, loud and clear.

>>74254079
Probably just have sleepless nights

>>74255075
We never had anything worth stealing before. Who gives a fuck if the JPs take Mori or Kronii or Ame or Bae? I'd feel sorry for them. But Fuwamoco are turbo weebs and would absolutely drop us for JP fans, and it seems like they are doing that now.

>>74255075
There are a lot of newfag watchers

So was this actually them, then?
>>/vt/thread/67192586#p67197154

>>74255087
GOLDEN WEEK
BUNNY GARDEN
SEX WITH OKANYAN

>>74255075
I'm not sure why you and so many others are going with this narrative that everyone is complaining about collabs. reading any thread or VOD comment will tell you it's about the shift to JP SOLO streams.
Everyone is openly celebratory when they interact with their senpai.

>>74255144
Yeah well they should be more afraid of keeping their EN fans happy. The JPs have so much already, just let us have Fuwamoco for fucks sakes.

>>74254799
jp fans arent starved and they know it. remember they even know ultra niche japanese things. they research/ego-search hard. they just want to stream in japanese and told en fans why.

>>74255205
>SEX WITH OKANYAN
kys

>>74254859
holy fuck this is funny

>>74255155
They'd probably lose weight and become happier in the long run.

>>74255098
He was quoted out of context. He didnt shit on them. He wrote a pretty sweet message saying even if he doesnt understand JP streams, it doesnt matter because he understand their passion and thats more than good enough.

>>74254799
If I was born Japanese, okayu would’ve claimed my heart and soul years ago. It’d be so over for me.

>>74255279
Fuck off DS and stop shilling your nijiwhore.

>they want the label of EN while reaping all the benefits of JP
are they, dare I say, being too greedy with wanting to have their cake and eat it too?

>>74254951
yes and?

I just paid for japanese course, this better be fucking worth it.

>>74255279
>t. Dog Strings

>>74255275
They've been buying pon de rings from the branch near the studio

Call me an anti but the Mister Donut pilgrimage got to their heads.

>>74254988
And this is coming off the back of them being MIA for almost 2 months. I know they are giga-autists, but fuck me, did nobody tell them what a horrific idea this all was?
>>74255075
Dawg, even a literal idiot would feel fucked up about their oshi coming back after a long break then talking about how excited they are to start streaming in another language

>>74255349
ok sister

>>74255199
It was probably suzu before she told them they had to do more JP streams or else they'd get contract terminated for leaking information that they acquired from the company to third parties.

>>74255302
I would definitely have one of the following as my kamioshi, Nene, Polka, Suisei, Marine, Watame, Koyori, or maybe some other JP that I don't know as much about now but even from clips alone I have fallen in love with some JP girls. I can't imagine what actual streams are like.

>>74255325
Thats a good thing no? Being ambitious and chasing their dreams.

>>74255334
which course?
also it's only worth it if you go all the way and don't stop after 1 or 2 courses

>>74254799
It's because it's simply an excuse they came up with cause they don't truly understand why they don't have more JP fans.
They think it's because "JP fans don't even know they can speak JP," when the reality is they DO know, they just left already.

>>74254787
As an EUruffian this was always the case, I'm just invisible. Not having same waking hours don't bother me at all.

>>74255325
Why would you want to have a cake if not to eat it?

>>74255334
>japanese course
unironically worthless for the most part, the only thing that comes handy is getting practice to actually speak it

If the wives still love me when I don’t watch to go to gym and game, I’ll be alright.

>>74255385
Their goal was to protect our smiles. I see a lot of frowns right now...

>>74255385
There's a fine line between ambition and arrogance and from what they've shown, they are not balancing it well. Those who are ambitious but also know their limits are people like Suisei and Mori.

>>74255325
Tbh the label of EN is a detriment. Regloss is higher on the pecking order than them.

>>74255144
So it's ok to sacrifice EN fans for JP fans even though they're part of the EN branch? Their priorities are way out of wack.

>>74255413
what you're mainly paying for is the personal attention including telling you if you're fucking up and how to do it right or better.

Fuwamoco, the Japanese will never love you the way we do. You are ours. Our beautiful homegrown ENs, the only ones worth a damn. And yet you want the Japanese affection and love, when they see you as a curiosity, nothing more. You will always be gaijin to them. Nothing you do can fix that. You cannot become Japanese.

>>74255402
But do you mean to them or the community? I'm talking about the community, which is why I said I know most people don't give a shit.
Even when I have to watch the VOD, once I go on shitter or here or anywhere else to talk about it, I'm talking to the same people who were in chat. Will this happen with the timezone split? I'm not confident. I don't think I'll ever interact with Group B. I'll be able to catch the weekend streams, but I'll probably chat as much as I do when I'm watching a random holo on a weekend morning, which is not at all.

any audioschizos analyze the fwmcmorning audio for sniffles?

>>74255409
is cake farting still a thing?

>>74255395
I hate myself for thinking like this, but there's a decent shot this all comes out in the wash when their golden week stunt has abysmal views, but maybe they'll just invent another reason in their heads as to why that happened.

My only concern is actually Cover overloading them with work which eats into streaming time. That's really a stupid way to kill their momentum. Core fans being upset and leaving is a damage that can be recovered from. But not streaming consistently when you are not even done with your 1st year is a recipe for disaster.

>>74255279
No you don’t understand, I simply do not like that cunt.

Hello ruffians!
Thanks to your encouragement I started with my Nihongo learning journey!
Day 258: Today I've just done my anki, reps, 5 new cards.
I'm very excited about their announcement of more JP collabs, especially the off collabs, like the one with Koyori! This is why I started learning Japanese in the first place, so I can enjoy them collabing with JPs. I hope they muster the courage and approach as many JP senpais as possible!
FUWAMOCO love!
BAU BAU!

>>74255542
>they'll just invent another reason in their heads as to why that happened.
This is absolutely what will happen and the conclusion will be "We didn't work hard enough" so they will pander to the JPs even more because their turbo weeb brains can't fathom the Japanese being racist xenos who will always prefer Japanese in the end.

with all this shit stirring I am feeling fanatical and far away from any other ruffians, even those I like, maybe I should isolate myself again.

>>74255476
>Suisei
The worst example you can pick...
>Mori
She learned her lessons via the hard way btw. Mori now and Mori 3 years ago was totally different.

>>74255482
They either pander to tiktok zoomers or pander to the JP

>>74255604
ばさど

>>74254787
I think I said something similar during the last JPschizo arc in January. or maybe it was December?
They'll end up creating two separate fanbases with their own memes and in-jokes. There will be VERY little overlap between those who watch the regular JP streams and those who watch the EN streams. I'm not sure if they thought of this or not?
This almost happened early on with Kanji de Go with a few memes that literally never left the JP side of the fanbase.
They mentioned how they WANT to translate and include the EN fans more in their JP streams, but I doubt they'll be able to since they're incapable of translating at all. Even a single sentence synopsis is too difficult for them at the moment.

>>74255554
opportunities outside streaming are more time effective for making money

>>74255604
literally the smartest ruffian

>fuwamoco speak with jp ruffians in chat
>fuwamoco speak jp once, jp ruffians come out of the lurking to add their 2 cents on whatever topic fuwamoco are talking about
>fuwamoco had jp streams in the past and have communicated/collabed with their jp senpai so their presence is known amongst more jps
>fuwamoco go on jp ruffian like sprees on twitter
>"THE JAPANESE DON'T KNOW WE EXIST WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW IT'S OKAY AND WE ACCEPT THEM RUFFIANS CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?"
lol no i cant

>>74255554
>Core fans being upset and leaving is a damage that can be recovered from.
Only by starting to do content that isn't your core to court new fans, like say, playing Apex or Mahjong.

>>74255554
>overloading them with work
Maybe they shouldn't take up that much work. But then again, Marine is their idol so they'll just end up doing 1 JP Karaoke stream a month

>>74255542
>maybe they'll just invent another reason in their heads as to why that happened.
They will, 100%. There's gonna be a shitload of overlap, so their solos will be brutal. I'm hoping for their sake that it's ALL big collabs.

>>74255705
meanwhile me, an EOP ruffian still has only gotten 3 likes during sprees where they liked every single post under the hashtag or replies. Never read in chat, can't SC but still watch every stream. Can JP bros say that?

Sometimes I wish FuwaMoco never came into my life

>>74255554
>Core fans being upset and leaving is a damage that can be recovered from.
It depends if they're able to truly replace those fans, imo. Other opportunities will end up getting them more money and visibility, so it will even out in the end.

>>74255395
You heard how devastated they sounded when they mentioned some people still don’t realise fuwamoco is two people? That’s something that’s probably been living in their heads rent free since they realised it. You could tell it hurt.

>>74255144
Being vocal about not liking the dual translation stuff in chat was "rude" and more direct, but would she really have preferred people just silently fuck off?
Hololive EN fans are now socialized to not be critical of the talents openly in non-anonymous spaces, or to at least couch criticism in as soft and indirect terms as possible. This is good in some or even many ways but it also means that if your content takes a bad turn, fans will silently dip rather than ever tell you what was wrong. They don't want to hurt your feelings but they also don't want to watch stuff they aren't enjoying. they will just fade away and never give feedback.
In some ways it kinda falls on the mentally ill and autists to be the only vocal negative feedback givers in the entire community which is actually a horrible state of affairs, kek

>>74255367
Taking more days for homework is still part of the gamble they made when they decided to move to Japan. It seems pretty obvious at this point that it was a split decision and considering how much they loved and longed to live in Japan again it was a no brainer they would leave. Them moving didn’t just stop the streams, it stopped all the homework too. I’m sure they’re behind by at least a month and a half and need to catch up.

>>74254079
I'm gonna try and win biboos love

I actively hope they get fucking slaughtered this Golden Week. They need to learn a hard lesson, and this might be the only way to do it. I hope Pekora and Miko do an entire week of collab streams. I hope Korone does 72 hour endurances. I hope Suisei comes back from her break and does nonstop karaoke and I hope Marine and Noel grab Kanata and have her record them fucking in the shower. I hope Mio and Fubuki host call in shows every morning and night while Okayu does blowjob ASMR in public streams. Nepolabo will do an offcollab week where they stream pillowfights and girls talk and HoloX will host official streams on the Hololive channel. I will watch every JP stream, upvote every single one, comment on every VOD and live chat in every single one. And I hope Fuwamoco are fucking 2views during this because I sure as fuck won't be watching them.

>>74255724
Marine streamed alot back when she was starting out. You still have to build a base to work from.

>>74255494
Which only makes sense if you know some japanese to begin with, given the hours spent on it the first year is completely wasted. Courses have a slower pace compared to learning on your own though which might or might not help you to get it.

>>74255853
All you need to do is give her a $5 supa with a tiktok meme

reminder this is the first SC they will be reading today

Honestly, it's been tough. This week's thrown a lot at me all of a sudden, and I've had a lot on my plate... I've missed you two a lot though, and like I said I would, I haven't forgotten you two! I've stayed as strong as I can to be around for you, and I won't fall so easily! Love you two

>>74255885
Holy fucking based and same

If it's anything like holoJP homework then we won't see shit from it for months if ever

>>74255885
anti-general

>>74255885
I sure hope so too so they'll be even more desperate and they'll never leave us again

>>74254678
sure thing bud, hirys just goes in flames every couple of days

>>74255853
She loves all pebbles. Also minimum SCs are read live and loved too often. Just be nice to her and tell her she's a jamer and post memes sometimes. She tells it like it is, not like fuwamoco which are a complicated puzzle

>>74255885
>yfw they appears in each and everyone one of those

what will happen if their golden week plan pays off and they get a huge surge of jp ruffians? will they do even more jp streams than they planned or will they still stick to their word and lose all that they gambled for?

>>74255705
those jp ruffians arent the average holo jp fan. you wouldnt know it but holo jp is huge and has many casual fans.

>>74254590
HUGE L

>>74255885
Same. I think it's actually possible they hit sub 1k if their senapi go all out for golden week. I want them playing a shitty Japanese only VN competing against an unarchived MiComet karaoke

>>74252411
Yes, we hit peak EN FuwaMoco, it's going to be more and more JP from now on

>>74255554
>Core fans being upset and leaving is a damage that can be recovered from
I guess, though that just means their fans are mere numbers. They're against this notion.

>>74255901
There are super beginner courses out there that start out with teaching you hiragana first and things little kids are taught. Also, a course would probably come with an actual Japanese teacher teaching you.

>>74255885
>They need to learn a hard lesson, and this might be the only way to do it.
I assure you that it is. Remember, they've themselves that they are fucking stubborn. The only way for them to learn is to be faced with the reality of the situation to the point of absolute brokenness where'd they be left with no other choice BUT to give up this delusion of theirs. I for one am praying for their downfall when it comes to wanting to cater to nips.

>>74255990
I think you know the answer to that.

I wonder if they knew that this many people inside their superfan regulae viewers would be murky on their announcement. Sure, they knew some people might not like it or be worried about it, but there's a lot of comments being worried, upset, and/or concerned for the future of their engagement with these two.
I honestly didn't expect this much myself either when I wrote mine and posted it to the VoD.

>>74255885
Just because you don't agree with this doesn't mean you need to act like a cartoon villain about it

>>74255990
Even if it doesn't pay off, they'll still continue to do more JP streams. They expressed that this is their desire, and mane-chan herself clearly pushed them to actually COMMIT to it.

>>74254691
I like 1 the best
2 has better gameplay but the story is literally just phineas and ferb

>>74256024
>I think it's actually possible they hit sub 1k if their senapi go all out for golden week.
Anon, not even roboco hit sub 1k when she gets overlapped like hell lol.

>>74255885
I mean, unless GW is full of collabs then their viewership isn't gonna do too well
Tanaka-san isn't gonna use his rare free time to watch some random dogs he barely knows instead of watching Pekora, Miko or any other JP.

leaked stream
Japanese hand cam cooking for golden week
>thumbnail

>>74256055
They probably assumed it since they're menhera about their own fans.
I truly wonder how they'll address the comments if they will at all?

>>74256138
I kneel I never should've doubted you fluffy

>>74256062
I'll go a step further and say I hope Gura comes back for the week and does a streamathon where she's super open and needy and sings and jokes and plays with all her viewers. Fuwamoco are taking us for granted. They say they don't but their actions are speaking louder than their words.

>>74255990
They'll do JP streams everyday until they're burnt out and at their wits end. Then they'll take a 6 month break and return to realize that none of their JP fans give two shits about them after Regloss 2 debuts.

>>74255923
Holy fuck, it's wild that it lined up like that. That one's gonna hurt with all the shit they've been reading from everyone.

>>74256138
I thought hand cams were forbidden

jesas calm down with the posts

I haven't been enjoying the Japan arc lately

>>74256055
Usually they are menhera about things that will never happen. This time I can't tell if they were aware and didn't care or somehow misjudged. May is going to be a telling month. If the week after golden week doesn't have some certified classic streams, they're DOA for a sizeable number of EN fans. They already lost attention with the 2 month move break. And now they immediately switch to JP after moving? The casual fan is going to assume they are permanently holoJP now

>>74256138
I'd rather watch Pekora cook

>>74256179
And when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ruffians and Fuwamoco will look up and shout "SAVE US!" and I'll look down and whisper "...No."

>>74256062
NTA but the problem is that if they have some minor success, they will think that they just didn't do it hard enough, rather than re-evaluating what they are doing to begin with. I really don't like the thought of them being distraught, and some small part of me wonders what happens if this is a big hit, but unless this happens, we have to hope for what's best for them in the long run.

>>74255885
Unironically kys, you anti. I’ll take the okayu blowjob asmr though, that should come true.

They're just wasting all their limited time and energy on people who will never love them like we can. They want to be Japanese so bad, but Asians are racist and xenophobic as fuck and that will never change in their core. It's like that black girl who was born in China who competed in the Miss China pageant and the Judges were like "We admire your spirit but fucking nope lol".

Sorry FuwaMoco but if I have to lose sleep to catch a JP stream there are so many other better options to choose from than yours lol

>>74256230
There's been like 3 streams in total in Japan arc and it's always "sad, fuzzy thoughts, anxious"

What are the chances of them playing the Coffin of Andy and Leyley? Straight up 0% because le horror and non-japanese?

>>74253041
They're literally already confirmed liars. They said nothing will change, but now it's confirmed there will be more and more JP streams as they chase the JP fanbase.

>>74256138
>Japanese

Spooked by my desktop thinking they were awake but I just forgot I turned on twitter notifications for biboo yesterday

>>74256264
Well, they are in Japan so they might as well go try to accomplish their indie idol dream without us.

>>74255885
fwmc can get at least 3.5-5k if they stream in japanese even if all of those happen. you dont understand holo jp at all. also fwmc are more popular among the holo jp fanbase than youd imagine

>>74256312
>they were worried about us leaving them
>2 weeks after they're back they leave us
I see how it is now

Not enough chatgpt walls in here, step up your game sisters

>I will watch pain dry
>there is better japanese streams
ruffians really are women

>>74256355
>twitter notifications for biboo
based
don't think of turning on the shock collar, that shit is nonstop

>>74256308
Don't worry, most JP chubbas will stay up past 6am to stream for you.

>>74256388
>>2 weeks after they're back they leave us
After we had to wait an entire fucking month for them too

I know we're all shitposting but honestly I'm willing to give them a bit more leeway. They were so great in their first 100 days and then following that I feel they've earned that at least from me. However the last 2 months and these next few weeks are taxing the limit of my patience. In the end, in my mind, they've given us 6 months, not even a year yet. Even Gura managed more than 6 months before falling off. Your mileage may vary of course.

>>74256308
you sure about that?

>>74256373
They got overlapped like hell for their sasuke watchalong and hit 7k lol.

>>74256418
>Biboo mention
Proceed pedo mode (unironic)

What two Holo JPs should do all English weeks?

>>74256320
Just for golden week, then it's back to normal

>>74256138
<Haha, oh you guys...Just ignore those gaijins in the chat> in Japanese

ojisan in glass - EN ruffians
girl in dress - JP ruffians
dude in orange shirt - FuwaMoco

>>74256316
Did they get perms for it? Regardless, the entirety of hololive would have to play it before they do

There's a collar around your neck Ruffians, you're not going anywhere

>>74256478
I want to sample her feet

>>74256240
I was unironically fine during the 2 month move. What I can't contend with is how they outright said they didn't want to do spaces or guerilla at odd times due to "FOMO," but now they're literally doing a whole week in JP at those odd JP times, and their answer is to just not watch not if it's hard.
At least the guerillas and spaces would have VODS. The JP stream VODS will still be in Japanese. If they cared about FOMO then, why don't they now? I know the answer is because they want to get JP subs, but it's still frustrating to me.
I unironically want to superchat them about this cause I'm really surprised no one mentioned it. I won't, though, cause I dont want to make them even more sad.

>>74256138
If this happened and was a cooking stream I would cry. My dream stream is a hand cam cooking stream and to have it be jp only would be brutal. I don’t know what I’d do.

>>74256316
Definitely 0.
The funny thing is a can easily see them play saya no uta.

>>74256442
I'm willing to see where they're going with it, and I'm lucky enough to have good money to throw after bad by staying membered, but only until their intentions have been clearly demonstrated.

>>74256532
You should mention this to them because it is a good point.

>>74256264
Powerful.

>>74256517
>Menzen vs Tanyao
>not menzen and tanyao

>>74256443
She forgot she even made this. It's all an act.
Also not even the best tummy in holo Japan

>>74256240
That's what's crazy to me. They're making a bid for the casual JP fan when they already had a decent hit with the casual EN fan who 100% won't be watching full Japanese streams.
Pre-stream, I was posting that the only real way for them to get a quick hit to get to 1 million is for them to do JP collabs and off collabs, which I don't have a problem with. The second they started talking about trying to cultivate a JP Ruffian following is the monent my brain broke, because that's them doubly commiting to people who won't be there.
I know every hates bring up comparisons here, but Kiara had a point where she was doing everything she could to harvest Korean viewers. She couldn't speak the language well but did a bunch of streams over a month or two of that shit, got a bunch of casual Korean fans to show up for a little, and then almost all of them fucked off once she stopped catering to them. This will be like that, but doubly burning for any JPbros who actually stick around for more than a few weeks post JP pandering.

>>74256607
Sorry Migger but MY Mocochan has the best tummy

>>74256532
>we don't like to tweet after a certain time because we worry about the ruffians who are asleep and would have to wake up just to read them! it's the same thing with guerilla streams, you know? we're thinking about your timezones, ruffians...
>...now that that's out of the way, we want to warn you now that it's OK to miss streams. and when we say that, we're telling you that very soon we'll be having a schedule that will be PACKED FULL of streams you're almost guaranteed to either lose sleep over or miss entirely since, well... we're reaching out to our japanese audience.
>bau bau!
Fucking snakes, didn't think I would catch that did you?

>>74256442
They realized there's no point in putting 10x the effort for only a marginal increase in views and subs

>>74256478

>>74256138

>>74256532
It's a good superchat honestly. Just not sure if they would read it in tonight's or not considering mengen

>>74256523
>tfw we're being taken to the kennel while the owners are away for a bit

>>74256614
The problem is the sub count is the goal and people who "fuck off" rarely take the time to unsub. So the dead Japanese subs might help push them to 1 million. But if the EN viewers who are burned by this fuck off, that will impact their future going forward.

>>74256524
Candy feet lick.

>>74256278
I think either way we lose. If the GW is a failure then they’re sad and that hurts us. If it’s successful they’ll just do more. Best thing would be not to play, but we don’t have that luxury.

>>74256658
I guess this is their LaPlus moment, then

>>74255809
>some people still don’t realise fuwamoco is two people?
I wonder if they know that those people will always exist, and also do not care.
They're the type of casual who doesn't watch any stream no matter what language it's in. Plan and simple.
They do not care and should be considered a non-factor

>>74256614
This is what gets me, is if they had said they'd be doing dual language collabs w/ JP senpais, some in EN timeslots, some in JP, then people would be cheering from the rooftops about it. But we all know there will be few, if any, such collabs.

>>74256240
>>74256532
with 'fans' like this, who needs antis?

>>74256725
Now you understand why 'learn ID' is on the goals list

They want their chat to be filled with 50% Japanese and 50% English, how fucking delusional are these two?

>>74256725
Maybe it'll humble them a bit. We've given them too much credit and now they'll have to fight in the major leagues

Unpopular take but I think Mococo's crying was a good thing. People who say it made it worse haven't been here, this announcement was always going to be received badly and run with by shitposting sisters and menheras alike. At least Mococo crying shows they recognize this is a bad idea, sadly they don't recognize it's bad enough to not go through with.

>>74256807
It should be 100% Spanish

>>74256574
>>74256716
It is, but like I said, it's probably cause they're putting subgrowth first??? That's kinda what the whole "jp stream/golden week" discussions implied. I don't know, though.
>>74256786
I don't think my post is at all an "anti" post. I'm just a menhera retard whose a bit frustrated I guess.

>>74256786
Caring about someone means wanting the best, not covering your ears and shouting whenever anything negative happens. If anything, encouraging destructive behavior is anti behavior.

>>74256786
>You're worried about their content changing? You must hate them!!!

>>74256777
Hmm I guess it could get worse. They could start streaming on twitch and homocollabing

>>74256807
Splits the community. There's a reason a lot of overseas streamers have an english only policy for their chatrooms.

>>74256850
>Unpopular take but I think Mococo's crying was a good thing
Definitely unpopular, Mococo's crying and dooming made me want to slap her

>>74255885
>while Okayu does blowjob ASMR in public streams
i laughed

>>74256807
Fuwawa should speak entirely english while Mococo exclusively Japanese, never acknowledged it and go casually about like in cartoons.

>destructive behavior
please concernfag somewhere else i heard there's a discord for that

>>74256892
Hope they don't play fun retro games with Korone that'd be so terrible EN senpais tasukete

>>74256850
She should have at least explained what the fuck was happening before bringing out the waterworks. It went:
>thanks for the nice battle plan recap doggy pack!
>what should we do next stream?
>Mococo starts crying uncontrollably
>ruffians... please be excited for us un un
>you'll be excited for things we're excited for right?
>next week, golden week, it'll only be japanese okay?
>we want to hit 1 million subscribers and that means making rough choices
>still crying
>??? what does this even mean

>>74256532
actually a good point, if you don't want to supachat it you should vod comment it

>>74256784
If they just said they'd be doing more collabs with JP senpai, no one would bat an eye. We would all, infact, be happy for them.

>>74256960
see >>74256784

Were they like this when they were GGN?

>>74256443
>>74256607
SO IT WAS FUWAWA

I just want them to be more clear about what the future is gonna be like. I haven't been able to focus on anything and I'm getting close to drinking just to numb myself from the stress

>>74256807
Don't worry, Moco-chan will say "I'm doing good right Ruffians?" every hour to make sure the EN viewers are still listening

>>74256532
I've been thinking something along those lines last night. They acknowledge the FOMO, they dont want people to feel that way so they did jackshit when they were moving and now they drop this and tell us to be okay with watching VODs AND having less streams. Really?

>>74256996
Their wording was catostrophic
instead of:
>crying, sobbing, incoherent
>something about golden week, dont' be scared
>dont' be scared ruffians, be excited okay?

they could have said:
>Golden week is a big holiday in Japan! We'll be celebrating it because it is a big deal!
>There will be a bit more Japanese streams than usual, I hope you understand. We want to celebrate with JP Ruffians!

>>74257050
Kino...

>>74256955
Please take a look around you at what's happening, and look me in the eye and tell me that entire stream was anything but self-destructive

>>74257046
The vagueness is on purpose. Can't call them liars if they don't commit to anything.

>>74255885
Holy, I'm not gonna say based because you're plotting the downfall of my loved ones, but godspeed
I would probably watch some of those JP streams

>>74257067
peak manipulation. Someone should ask it genuinely, not with such a leading question. I'm too angry to do it.

>>74257047
chat is this real

>>74257116
lying by omission is still lying

>>74257067
>watching VODs
Japanese VODs.

>>74257050
I can't wait, unironically

>>74257067
I'm not even sure if they understood that contradiction they made. Anyways, if none of you plan on sending the question for clarification, I guess I will.

>>74255990
>stick to their word
If they choose now to do that I'll be pissed
They fucking didn't any other time

>>74256969
Exactly. It's as if they're acting like they're whoring themselves out when it's entirely within their own control.
If they took any of their decisions slowly and carefully, none of this would occur

>>74257176
WHY ARE YOU SO EASY TO INFLUENCE?

>>74257116
I need a hardcut of clips of them saying "nothing will change" > golden week schedule
"We can't do twitter spaces we don't want you to miss out" > golden week schedule + audio "you might have to miss out, sorry 2bad"

>>74257069
This would make zero difference. Sisters would still pounce on it.

>>74257069
But instead they made it sound like more JP streams is the norm for the future and that with reduced time to stream, there will be less streams in general, meaning EN eats shit.

>>74256934
Of course it could always get worse.

>>74257176
I'm the original poster, I'm not gonna do it or day anything.

I didn't fall for their crocodile tears.

>>74257176
Do it if you want, I dont care about how they'll feel about it. Im not sure if I'll care about the answer at this point.
I guess I'm over the depression and it shifted to anger.

>>74257243
Obviously, but you're missing the important part:

Nobody would care.

>>74257069
It's not like they were on the spot either. They had the stream down a week in advance and they somehow thought that was the best way to relay the news.

>>74257243
Who cares what sisters will do. They've been at it for a decade they won't ever stop. If they used words instead of crying, they wouldn't have day 1 doggy pack paypigs teetering on the verge of mental breaks with the uncertainty. They can't even be fully honest in mengen anymore because they're so ashamed of trading fans for numbers.

>>74257293
nta but I think people would still worry a bit but it wouldn't even be close to having an entire comment section dedicated to worrying about it

>>74257280
It's funny seeing some posters in this thread going, "AAAAAAAAAA I'M SORRY SEE YOU GUYS MADE THEM CRY I'M SORRY I WAS MAD" as soon as the waterworks happened. And then there were others who clearly saw it for what it was: emotional manipulation.

>>74256179
Anon, it probably will be a big hit. Most people just dont care. Everyone should know this by now and just find someone else to watch. I dislike everyone in EN except Biboo and im more than ready to just jump ship as soon as i dont like it anymore.

>>74257251
>EN eats shit
Yep. FWMC get a lighter stream schedule and JP ruffians get more streams. EN ruffians are the only losers here.

>>74257336
Like another anon said earlier, they are going to catastrophically botch the schedule release on saturday for the public announcement. Unless they seriously read the VOD comments and reassess everything, which to be fair they have done in the past. This first run was god fucking terrible.

Wow there are lots of women here
Stop overanalyzing everything (You) dumbass
Just enjoy

>>74257407
fuck off.

>>74257407
Enjoy what, content is being cut off.

>>74257430
No you fuck off, dramawhore

>>74257407
Eat shit faggot

Grrr me so angry over the possibility of things which aren't going to happen I NEED to send an anti superchat next stream!

>>74257280
>not a single good post with this image

>>74257474
This but unironically

>>74257477
sex with Mococo

>>74257474
this thread in a nutshell

>>74257474
Do you think all of those worried/concerned VOD comments are also from "antis?"

i love drama

why waste money on them at this point, just send whatever you want to say in their ego search and they'll see it anyway

I love them both, and want them to be happy and achieve their dreams. But I’m also selfish and wish they’d never moved to Japan, i feel like nothing good has come out of it. I just want to go back to before February, I just want my FuwaMoco back. I never asked for this.

>>74257398
>Unless they seriously read the VOD comments and reassess everything
i've said it before but that's kinda pointless, they've said what they want to do already and reacting to the comments wont change how they feel or what they want to do

Every post I don't agree with is an anti post!