/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Talking to a male is basically like having sex with them

extremely obvious bait after >>73920813
Try to use someone in the VCR stuff next time and maybe it won't be so obvious

vtuber fans are sensitive whiny little bitches that get in their feelings about the streamer. as a result, opposite gender collabs have the potential to become a negative business decision. that’s all

>>73926482
>kiarer
okbh aka bvtm lingo

they are haram

I wouldn't want my oshi streaming with a man. But this is a bait thread so you already knew the answer to this

>>73926535
this, p much. a lot of them could embrace their budding bi/pansexuality, allowing them to both enjoy mixed gender collabs and increase the size of the pornography pool that they can jack off too. sadly, most of them are too bitchmade for this.

>>73926372
I am not a unicorn by any means but I too don't watch male collabs. Personally it's more about the "who" is doing it. I don't give a shit about Fubuki or Suisei doing it because they have made clear that they're gonna do it if they feel like it, it is as much their choice to do male collabs as it is my choice to not watch those collabs or them at all. If someone like Fauna or Koyori suddenly goes and does a male collab similar to how Mori or Kronii or early Bae then I would feel like it's a betrayal of trust.

Obvious bait thread but here's a genuine response. It attracts shipniggers.

>>73926372
cgdct.
simple as.

>>73927047
>I am not a unicorn by any means
>proceeds to post the most crybaby unicorn shit that the thread is likely to see

>>73927088
>>73926846
>bait thread
Nobody knows you. Nobody cares enough about you to bait you.

I’ll pry: Why do some people need male collabs to happen? What’s the point?

>>73926372
if i wanted to watch and hear dudes i would play with my homies, but i want to watch and hear cute girl doing cute stuff

>>73927047
>Koyori
he doesn't know

>>73927126
Oh I guess there must be no bait on 4chan at all since we're all anonymous

>>73927257
yes i gunked in drain so what?

>>73927227
>Doesn't have girlfriends
Fag

>>73927211
need? no. Care? no

If the stream is fun, I'm fine

>>73926372
I literally don't care who my oshi collabs with as long as its not some grifting whore

>>73927324
Then the lack thereof is likewise fine, correct? Since you can simply not care about it, after all.

>>73926372
9 times out of 10 the guy isnt someone i would watch if they werent in the collab. The mixed collabs ive seen the guy always the personality of a wet paper bag, keeps flirting with the girl making the chat feel like a third wheel, or they just have an annoying voice. Like they sound like they only halfway hit puberty and still have the up and down pitch thing with their voice. Some people dont just hate mixed collabs because of "hes basically FUCKING her in the ASS on stream!" The guy vtubers are just not entertaining. And the viewer numbers reflect that. Unless you already have a following and switch to vtuber or ar part of a corpo literally no one cares about male vtubers outside of a VERY small group of people

>>73927211
>Why do you need male friends? What’s the point? Am I not good enough for you, you whore?

I like to watch cute anime girls, but I don't care if there is a dude or not in the collab. Just if the collab is entertaining to watch or not

>>73926372
I really like the Ao and Kobo interactions with holostars. idk about any other members who interact besides them though

>>73927370
Yeah, but the point is, that I don't care if the collab is with other females or males, if the stream is fun.

I really don't get why so many people get unironically hurt by male collabs, and I feel for you anons, c'os you cannot control other human beings and what they want to do, you can only choose to enjoy or not, but converting to an anti, spreading hate or whining by a human interacting with other human... I may be too old for this board

>>73927310
vtuber can be shut down, but biotoid does not shut down so easily

>>73926424
wtf it means I had so much sex !

>>73926424
This. I've experienced getting NTR'd IRL and I don't want to experience that again with male collabs.

>>73926424
So being constantly gangbanged by chat is better?

>>73927427
This but unironically

I don't watch Kurosanji streams anymore but the Finana and Aster feetcam collab was one of the hottest fucking things I've ever seen. I would very much like to see more content like that.

>>73927427
They are free to do what they want, but people also act defensive if it translates to a downward slope. Very curious behavior from those in favor of said collabs.

>>73927606
Real cucks have a reason at least >>73927705

if you feel NTR'd by a vtuber collabing with a male, you are in dear need of a therapist and a radical change in hobbies.

Because we all know where it leads.

Take NijiEN for example
>introduce males
>loudly talk about their dicks every stream
>invade the girl's streams to flirt with them and brag about their dicks and their cum spurts
>become "competitive" with each other to flirt with the girls. Constantly 1-upping each other to flirt with the girls and invade their streams to flirt
>any wholesome girl's moment, however brief, is ruined by the faggot brigade busting down the door with their homo shittery
>3 months without a single girl's-only collab because the males are so eager to get in the girls collabs
>invite themselves to offcollabs too
>can't have a single girl's meetup because Luca will spend 10 hours on a plane to go invade the collab every time
>the male audience is slowly driven away so the girls orbit the males for relevancy
>reduced to being nothing but shipbait fighting over the male's dicks
>entire branch devolves into vile sex humor, fujoshittery

Even today there's people trying to defend this

>>73927791
That, or just learn to use the shame as fapping fuel.

>>73927606
I typically just don’t watch, but beggars have attacked my oshi before, so I don’t take kindly to their ways anymore.

>>73926372
It's a holdover from people who think any interaction between males and females is inherently romantic or sexual, no friendships allowed. I'd say it's a consequence of being terminally online, but I know for a fact it happens outside of the online sphere as well, unfortunately, and sometimes even leads to real deaths.
I'm not trying to be dramatic or invoking the slippery slope fallacy, just pointing out that it does happen in extreme cases.

don't you people ever get bored of the same threads. rrats used to be funny.

>>73926372
His numbers are too low.

>>73927811
You just don't watch nijisanji retard, Holos have done male collabs and nothing has changed

>>73926424
To an incel, talking to a girl is the most action they'll ever get.

>>73927791
kill yourself

>>73926372
people behave differently in co-ed social environments than in single-sex environments. This is true even if they're all gay. There's plenty of mixed-gender streaming content out there and I've watched and continue to watch it, but what I found refreshing about vtubers is that it was primarily girls hanging out with other girls.
It doesn't help that most male vtubers are failed streamers and male streamers fail because of their charisma, not their face so mixed vtuber streams are just an inferior version of mixed flesh streams.

>>73928012
Ever seen Vox’s audience?

>>73926372
There is value to having femaly-only spaces and male-only spaces as well as mixed spaces. Each is its own unique experience and people generally don't enjoy having the experience they're used to change into something else.
I have no problem with chuubas who do male collabs regularly but I wouldn't want, say, Hololive as a whole to turn into that.

>>73928077
I'm sorry to say that that you are closer to that anon, but I really wish that you can get better.

>>73926372
Why are KFP like this???

>>73927606
depends on their branding. if theyre clear since the beginning its fine, but dont be some poser just to get some paypigs and then turn on them. not all vtubers are twitchshitters grifting vtubing.
and i really dont get why some people cant accept that other people have the right to choose who they watch no matter what their reason is

>i enjoy the collabs
>i'm not gonna spend a dime on them tho
>but you should tho, it doesnt matter if they make content you dont like, continue watching them everyday and drop money on them so i can keep enjoying my 2 weekly clips from a third party
fuck off

>>73927675
gay sex is not real sex

It's not so much that I'm against them collabing with men, the aforementioned has had men on stream before (real people not Vtubers).
My problem is that I don't find the stars or any other male vtuber fun.
Collab with Markiplier? Sure, that's fun.
Collab with Ragus? It's gonna be cringe at best and if someone is solo streaming something else it's a hard sell.

>>73928621
Kinda ironic you bring up twutchshitters grifting when a bunch of HoloJP have started to collab with males after years of pendering to their unicorns

>>73927988
Vesper and Magni were doing the same sort of shit

>>73926372
It's normal.
>>73926424
You tried having sex with your father sodomite? You collabed with him when you were a child so I guess that.makes him a pedophile huh?
>>73926758
The Holocaust should've included the Muslims.
>>73926846
I wouldn't want your mother to whore yourself out to the nearest strip club but it happened anyway.
>>73927093
Cucked gays doing cucked things? I suppose that represents what the fuck you people are anti-males are supposed to be.
>>73927211
It's better than homogenous collabs.
>>73927227
Is that why daddy's little faggot got a Barbie dream house for their ninth birthday?
>>73927370
You could learn not to care about things that peeve you off either but I guess your parents couldn't even teach you how that works.
>>73927408
If you hate watched anything more than Nijisanji then you'd not be a tunnel-visioned retard that gets clowned by normal people.
>>73927705
Did your brother fuck your sister you Alabama Yankee? I thought that was normal where you're from pardner.
>>73927811
You're taking a black company that caters to the men for an example. Doesn't surprise me since you advocate for the strategies that cater to the women just like a feminazi with the self-awareness of a jungle monkey.
>>73927938
I didn't realize this board was your therapy session. There's a reason the asylum exists.
>>73927969
They're more than the people you've talked to in your miserable life.
>>73928077
If you can't even get people to commit suicide. What makes you think you can tell them if you've never tried it in front of an audience?
>>73928261
There's nothing refreshing about women doing the same 10 things to other women.

>>73928779
I didn't realize Mori telling Magni to kill himself translated to "FUCK ME HOMO". Did your mother told you everytime she hated you, did that translate to "I love you, son". Did daddy walking out on you translate to "I'm going abroad to help you out?"

News flash retard. Your mother abandoned you and your dad doesn't think both of you are worth saving.

>>73926372
I might be the only Hololive only watcher that don't fucking care about male collabs? Might had to do with being oldfag twitch and watch so many content, 2013-Present. I just don't care, and no i never beg for collab, hell i never post anything on Twitter or Youtube.

>>73926372
literally nothing
but it's fun to joke about or see others "seethe" about it and join in on the fun
but i don't know 1 single person who unironically hates collabs, it's just for the shits and giggles
if you have any other question, feel free to ask

>>73928783
I tip my hat to you sir, I haven't laughed so hard in quite a while. Amazing work

>>73926372
Nothing, good content’s good content either way.

73928783
how do ppl like (You) even go out of their way to respond to an obvious bait thread like this?
how is this not just an enormous waste of time?
it's really quite hard to grasp

>>73926372
you need to get into the incel mindset
if you're a retard then a female you like talking to a male is basically sex, which is basically cuckoldry

>>73926372
you have to go back

>>73927257
Proof next thread?

>>73929175
let legends, be legends

>>73928918
Agreed, seeing unicorns and homobeggars fight an invisible war is hilarious because the average fan doesn't care and it's fun to see them seethe

>>73926372
Because ALL male vtubers are sexpests seeking to get in bed with female vtubers

>>73928871
>Did your mother told you
Please try to not out yourself so easily, Seanigger.

>>73929175
If you're going to tag someone use the ">>" symbol over your post so it looks like someone gives a shit.

As for your post. If this thread was such a waste of time why do you care enough to post here? Don't tell me you have abandonment issues like the rest of this board.

>>73927705
if you unironically equate the two things then i dont believe you have ever been in a romantic relationship

>>73929390
Well you couldn't get yourself out of the impostor syndrome you've made around you, so why do I have to listen to your faggotry?

>>73928783
KYS replyfag

>>73929511
Try killing yourself first before telling others to do the same poser.

>>73926372
>Genuinely unironically asking here
Here? Are you expecting genuine answers here?

>>73928783
Seething kek

>>73929694
We're all seething here brown boy. Acting like a cool boy to hide the fact you were bulled in high school won't change your current status as a wet noodle.

Male vtubers are sex pests, every single one.
Watching someone you like interact for several hours to what is essentially a groomer with a model is unpleasant.

>>73927479
There's Foob, Tuli, Ayame (very recently), Towa, Botan, Laplus, Morb, Bae and Kronii

>>73929627
Go suck a cock, faggot, defending your precious male vtubers so much is what you seem eager to do.

>>73929862
I guess your father was a sex pest the way he groomed your mom. That applies to granddad too. I guess sexpestitis runs in your blood too huh retard?

>>73929929
Supporting your fellow man is the most trad anyone can get. But you possibly wouldn't know that since you like projecting your favorite pastime onto other people.

>>73929862
Yawn

>>73929932
This is such a weak non sequitur insult I just kinda feel bad for you.

>>73930018
Oh wow. The sexpest's legal heir can use big words. What a fucking improvement, too bad your family doesn't.

>>73927047
>Koyori
>no male collabs
Are you retarded or pretending to be?

>>73928647
My zombie oshi has already collabed with Bootleg Markiplier (that fucking Dinosaur Flip) many times and I feel cucked because of it. Imagine getting cucked by a fucking flip of all people.

>>73928871
>Did your mother told you
it's "Did your mother tell you" fucking ESL

>>73930146
Isn't he after rabbit booty? I wouldn't even be bothered since your oshi doesnt have him heart bound.

>>73930146
Emphasize how low on the pecking order you are in your imaginary cuckold scenario. I'm sure you'll get all kinds of pity from a lot of people

Nothing wrong with it. Just incelcorns seething because they fall in love with the streamer because incelcorns were born retarded.

>>73930211
Thank you for the correction grammar police. I should tell you to fix my car sometime, or walk the dog or cook my food, or maybe drive me to work.

>>73930211
He used it right you retard eop. He used the word in past context.

>>73926372
nothing really but it offends the incels so there's your reason

Homobeggars are seething hard in this thread

>>73930410
They could be watching streams instead.
Oh wait, they never do.

>>73930350
If the sentence has Do, Does, or Did, the proceeding verb should always be in present tense form. The Did in the sentence is already signifying the past tense of the sentence, so no need for the verb to be also in past tense as well. It's taught in grade school for fuck's sake.

>>73930146
Leave the Zomrades. Now.

I bet you shit on SEA too elsewhere.

T. SEA Zomrade

>>73927479
Cute image

>>73930536
SEAcucks together strong

This board is full of sissy boys afraid of a male vtuber, it must suck to be so emasculated that you fret that the streamer you like collabs with a man, pathetic and sad to see.

>>73930350
retard

>>73930275
just be quiet and eat your pagpag

>>73930570
Not as cucked where you're sitting from while your mom is getting plowed by the mechanic.

>>73930580
not only that but this also implies those guys also think there is a realistic, non 0% chance, that they would ever get to know the streamers personally
and i don't know which one of the 2 is funnier to me

>>73930615
I don't even know what pagpag is but since you know what it means why don't you demonstrate it because I don't care about minorities.

>>73930410
>>73929738

>>73929453
Doesn't even deny it
Remember Anons, pic related is essentially all Filipino Men

>>73926372
UVhRZ2JHVmhjM1FnZVc5MUlHUnZiaWQwSUdoaGRtVWdkRzhnZDI5eWNua2dZV0p2ZFhRZ2IyNWxJRzltSUhSb1pTQkJjbTFwY3lCaWIzbHpJR0psWTJGMWMyVWdhR1VuY3lCaGJISmxZV1I1SUcxaGNuSnBaV1FnWVc1a0lHbHpJR0ZzYzI4Z1lTQmtiMk4wYjNJdQ==

>>73930750
Screencapping a post where you accept your heritage and projecting it as someone else doesn't discount your third world bloodline pagpag sniffer.

>>73928783
great creative writing exercise, got a belly laugh out of me

>>73930846
I know it's hard to get over the fact that your men aren't men at all and send their wives overseas to send money back. They're fucking whites and blacks and other browns but (You)'re okay with that. Must be why you advocate for cuckery in streaming too

I like Roberu Night Mea

>>73930977
You're very knowledgeable about how stuff works over there. Are you one of the self-hating ones who wish they were anything but? Because I'm not the one throwing money at an anime girl on a screen while they're fucking their boyfriend off stream.

>>73931057
You're not throwing money poorfag. You're masking your cuck fetish as a "epic owning of da haterz"
MacArthur should have let you all die to the Japanese

Literally just look at NijiEN to see what's wrong with mixed collabs and the culture around it.
First most male Vtubers are turbo garbage, at best they are obnoxious fags with no charisma constantly bringing politics on stream, at worst they are sex pests who joined the community just to groom the girls.
CGDCT is also a big appeal of Vtubers and one of its defining traits, male collabs add absolutely nothing of value to the experience. If I just wanted to watch a group of friends have fun and play vidya there are a billion other options among flesh streamers or Youtubers.
And last thing homo fans are utterly obnoxious. Mainly troons and Kpop sisters, who only care about mixed collabs because of their culture wars and virtue signaling.

>>73931224
Oh and I suppose throwing loads of money just to hear your name be heard by a woman is an exhilarating feeling that you'd cum buckets for. Not to mention purchasing junk that contributes nothing besides occupying the already small roomspace in whatever backwater hellhole you live in.
You're correct though. MacArthur should have skipped the Philippines and glass Japan from orbit if it means giving your family the smallest chance they'd give a shit about you. But that didn't happen did it? Reality is often disappointing? Just like the condoms in your oshi's room.

>>73931369
NijiEN is not the basis for all male vtubing just like how PewDiePie isn't a basis for good male streamers. You're using one sample size to prove a point you're already failing to find foundations in outside of /here/ because you so desperately want to validate your LGBT "YASSSS KWEEN" agenda for anime women.

>>73931505
What should be the basis for male vtubing then? Because holostars werent any better.

>>73931618
Holostars were better. You'd know if you'd even bother to hatewatch anything besides clips from Niggersanji. But you don't care anyway, you just want a casus belli to hate your fellow man because of one group of retarded idiots that has evidence of clear favoritism from Riku's deformed face.

>>73926372
nothing really. just make your point that you cannot be your fan's internet girlfriend like what fauna did

>>73931369
You are literary twitter/reddit and >>73931505
is right

There's no point to male vtubing.
If I wanted to spend time bros that played videogames and liked anime, I could immediately boot up steam and hang out with several. Finding males with similar interests is the easiest thing in the world, they are abundant, hell you are hanging out with them right now as you read this.
So, unlike female vtubers, male vtubers offer no real reason to get invested in them.
If Im watching vtubers, its for the girls, its that simple.

>>73930828
Wow, I didn't know this, who?

>>73931453
Touched a nerve, did I? You don't throw money because you have no disposable income- your women do. The constant mention of RL boyfriends is weird too, it must be a fixation for you. So you are a SEAnigger that is poor and a cuck. Your grandparents would be disappointed in you if they knew. Actually, I think they already are

>>73932027
But girls aren’t funny.

>>73931505
NijiEN is literally the only corpo that managed to make male Vtubers and mixed culture work in the west. Of course they are a good example. And what are the alternatives? HomoEN is just as bad, half of the members are glorified Nijimales and the other half is just boring faggots with negative charisma. Again giving me zero reasons to watch them over any decent male flesh streamer out there.

>>73926372
You have to think about it in reverse:
1) vtuber fans literally don't give a shit about what you do and will shower in thousands of dollars as long as you dont do 1 thing: collab with males
2) you choose to collab with males anyway knowing fans will dislike it and that you will not get anything in return
Even if your brain hasn't been eaten by the cuckworm the fact that some vtuber choose to do that anyway is massively disrespectful to their fans. It doesn't really matter if it makes sense or not, the fact that they chose to do it for no reward and against the wishes of their fanbase is bad
I personally don't give a shit about the act itself, but if a vtuber is that comfortable knowingly pissing off their fanbase I don't have any interest in support them

>>73932082
VDJOMFlYWnBidz09

>>73932123
But they are charming and cute.
4chan is funnier that any streamer anyways.

>>73932232
BRATTY CUTE AND FUNNY SHARK ToT

>>73932226
Well damn. I'm beyond impressed.

>>73926372
To be honest, I see it as a test of loyalty. Are they pursuing their dreams and doing everything they can to entertain their fans? Or are they just here for a paycheck? I don't care about GFE, but homocollabing is basically, "I don't care what my fans want, I'm going to do whatever I want and expect money in return." By not streaming with males, it's like she's saying, "I am doing this out of loyalty to my fans," and I value that.

>>73932162
>>73932344
holy fuck... your life must be very sad...
what leads to such retarded ideas? i honestly don't understand

>>73928628
It's more real than lesbian sex

>>73926372
Go find a boyfriend.

>>73932438
what leads homobeggars to desperately beg for collabs with men? Guess they must lead pretty sad lives if all they want to do is ruin someone else's happiness

>>73932330
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

>>73926372
Vtuber is a derivative of Idol culture where its heavily frowned upon to even interact one on one with males in a personal setting. You'll notice its much more of an issue for GFE JPtubers in general to collab with males than it is for say your random 3 view twitch thoth.
The optics for old fag and Unicorns is always negative on that point since, at the time, the EN scene wasnt a thing and when they did pull up they were expected by them to be held by the same standards of ''purity'' than the JP ones.

The personal reason for the viewers themselves vary from pretty much every answer to the OP before me and more but the core of it is the idol culture behind it. You can easily find cases of percieved japanese idols losing all of their standing and fame just from getting a boyfriend if you want more context behind it.

>>73932438
Do you have brain damage anon?
If you explicitly tell someone that you don't want them to talk about or do X thing (like say, telling one of your friends to not talk about your ex-girlfriend) and they repeatedly ignore it of course you are going to feel pissed about it and it's not suprising if you stop talking to them
It's literally the same thing in this situation, if someone knows you dislike something and they keep doing so afterwards what do you expect people to do? Keep watching and donating anyway? Do you not see how retarded that is?
If i see someone backstab one of their friends i am not very keen to become their friend after the fact now am i? Same dynamic works for becoming a fan of something

>>73932719
>miko
>subaru
>laplus
roru

>>73928918
>literally nothing
riiiiiight. as if there sooooo much demand for the shitty mansanji en culture in holo.

>>73932719
Isn't subaru close with Nijisanji's maimoto?

>>73931369
This.
Co-ed collabs are cancer.

>>73932600
Jesus man, it's scary shit they found out this first and not the lunatics we have over /here/. Didn't know that about Dino either.

>>73933025
/vt/ doesn't care nearly enough about dudes to actually doxx them.

Branding
If you promote yourself as GFE, then you should stick to your content.
Male collabs are bad if your content was suppised to be the opossite
Is just as simple as that. Create content, find a niche, stay in your niche or loose the fans that you cultivated

>>73929862
I've been getting into the more indie side of vtubing recently and every single indie male vtuber that appears in a chat cannot speak without sounding flirtatious

>>73932775
Homonigger still stuck in 2018

>>73932974
Maimoto graduated

>>73932600
What the fuck is this??

>>73933230
90% of Holos don't actually do that though.

>>73926372
Genuine unironic answer
Female vtuber fans at best don't want to see them but silently tolerate it and at worst drop their oshi
Male vtuber fans want to see collabs with women more than solo streams mainly because actual male vtuber fans practically don't exist and most are just using males as a way of virtue signaling a lack of insecurities which comes of as insecure kek
Female vtubers almost always have more fans so the collabs end up being content more fans dislike then like
Then there's the problem of frequent collab partners almost always meeting up irl at some point and gachikois have to cope cope cope that 2 single friends of the opposite sex that like each other enough fly out for a meet up TOTALLY have no romantic interest in each other

I have a question, who was responsible for brute forcing females Vtubers=idols in Hololive, because for what I have read, this pretty much is what started the all around anti-male Vtubers wave even before Stars JP gen 1 happened, this affected the entire vtubing scene, forever. Why? Because this meant that any Corpo female Vtuber is automatically seen as an idol and the concept of “male vtuber” should be instantly ignored even attacked and if you were and if you were a female indie, you'd have to establish you weren't GFE. This didn't impact Nijisanji who, I believe, did not publicly state they were an idol company and many of their males vtubers turned being very popular, there were even very popular HET ships way back that are no longer a thing today.

I have vaguely read bits of this over the years in /vt/ and /jp/ archives. Who in Hololive said it? Was it Sora? Yagoo? A-chan? Top Cover/Hololive employees? Any Historian here that could confirm this?

>>73933324
So let's get back to recent times
>Pekora
>Koyori
>Lui
>Botan
>Korone
>Aki
>Polka
>Ayame

>>73926372
>entire industry is built around parasocial attachment
>so let's put the woman that the audience has parasocial feelings for in a situation where she interacts with a man directly
>every time she laughs at his jokes, every time they make playful comments, it is a reminder that the audience will never EVER get the same opportunity.
It fucks up the illusion in a profound manner and anyone that does it deserves the backlash.

>>73926372
Jealousy.

>>73926372
I don't want to watch or hear male vtubers. Pretty simple. It's a majority straight male audience.

>>73926372
>Genuinely unironically asking here.
you're not

>>73930828
>>73932226
>>73932600
>>73933025
>>73933122
Homolurker here, how do I access the forbidden knowledge you posted

>>73934022
>Because this meant that any Corpo female Vtuber is automatically seen as an idol
Wat? No. EVERYWHERE people will still watch female vtubers over males regardless, even in vshojo. It's largely indifference towards the dudes. Nijisanji is probably the only exception and it's because it has mostly female fans. Those female fans prefer yaoi ships over straight ones.

>>73934139
The illusion is unhealthy and should be broken desu

>>73934377
What a worthless reply

>>73926980
I don't want (nor can) jack off to my chuuba getting knocked the shit out by a homo.

>>73934607
>The illusion is unhealthy and should be broken desu
Take it to your next socialist bootlicker meeting, xer.

>>73934022
Yahoo got his start in managing JP stars and was deep in the trenches protecting his beloved sons from the virgins and NEETs constantly attacking them
Stars is literally the embodiment of Yagoo's Dream

>>73926980
t. cuckmaster

>>73934607
Maybe you should just find a new hobbie because that won't ever happen desu

>>73926424
Anyone who isn't a turbonormalfag knows how uncomfortable it is to be in a room with the social hierarchy doing its thing and the popular guy/girl flirting with each other. I don't even have resentment for it, I just want to get away from the situation, like why the fuck am I even there.

>>73932438
I love it when some random fuck who browses /vt/ tells someone off about their sad lifes lol

>>73926980
>Just become bi and enjoy the dudes!
...Or just enjoy watching female chuubas like the majority of the audience. It's a niche hobby. It does not need to appeal to every lgbt faggot.

>>73934022
Sora is the reason, no other early Holo have idol image or doing idol stuff, in fact they were surprised when they got told that they are idol group now but the thing is, Idol is never about anti-male and Sora is also not anti-male, Idol =/= GFE, the truth is most vtuber fans like female vtuber more and anyone talking about "it's le idol culture" don't know jack shit

>>73926424
I'M HAVING SEX RIGHT NOW?

>>73932162

>>73927988
>Holos have done male collabs and nothing has changed
Because of the same attitude you're asking about ITT. If everyone was totally accepting of it (like in Niji), it would have spun out of control the same way.
That's why it's so important to gatekeep and make it very clear that you're not interested in watching dudes. Give them an inch they'll take a mile.

>>73927408
>9 times out of 10 the guy isnt someone i would watch if they werent in the collab. The mixed collabs ive seen the guy always the personality of a wet paper bag, keeps flirting with the girl making the chat feel like a third wheel, or they just have an annoying voice.

Actually this is a pretty good explanation. Have a single (you)

>>73927988
Enough hologirls kept a no-male-interaction enough to quarantine the problem.

>>73927791
You're very naive if you don't think most men feel uncomfortable in situations like it. The flipside is they keep quiet because they don't want to be called an incel by the usual retards (read:you)
Why do you think husbands don't like it when their wives talk to other men in private? We're biologically wired to be wary about these things. There's nothing weird about it, you're just too stupid to realize.

>>73934022
No one brute forced it. Cover especially has tried and failed countless times to integrate homos into Hololive. The fans simply like it this way, the vast majority of them got into Vtubing for the cute girls and that's what they want.
And idol culture at this point is as much of a meme buzzword as unicorn. It's simply what the fans prefer no matter how you want to call it. And NijiEN males succeded (for a short while) because they have a completely different audience, mainly asian women and kpop stans. An audience completely different from the rest of the predominant male Vtuber audience, both wanting completely different things.

>>73926372
For unicorns, theirs nothing sexual about male collabs, they just didn't come here for that kind of content.
For beggars, they view male collabs as inherently sexual and that's why they like it.

>>73927705
mfw realising unicorns are just guys who had a girlfriend once and now they get paranoid when their oshi even talks with another man

>>73934607
Life is complicated. Sometimes there are no better alternatives. Would you take the pain medication away from a cripple just because it's technically unhealthy?
Don't pretend like you know or care what's good for other people. This is about your ego and nothing else.

Because men and women are different.
People collab beg because they are blank slaters who seethe at Hololive for showing that men and women are different.

>>73927705
That's just unfortunate. I just don't want my comfort zone getting tainted by some guy. Simple as that.

>>73936582
>For unicorns, theirs nothing sexual about male collabs, they just didn't come here for that kind of content.
roru

>>73936611
I think crackheads shouldn't have access to crack, yes

>>73937126
>WAAAH NO MALES IN MY HUGBOX
I love me some chuubas but this fandom sucks so hard sometimes.

>>73926372
Nothing really. Some weirdos have decided that to prove that they're legitimate true fans of vtubers they have to hold these sorts of standards. It's nothing to do with idol culture, nothing to do with anime, it's barely related to CGDCT anime, and has more to do with webcam and porn culture.
You get this in every subculture. It starts out with something just being fun and interesting, and then kids or other non-fans join in, but now they feel insignificant because they don't know everything, and aren't as into the subculture as other people. That's when they start introducing such extreme standards, to legitimize themselves in the subculture, and be able to criticize true fans that don't hold such standards. Back when it was stuff like goth subculture people started to say that it wasn't to do with the fashion, but with a state of mind, or the music you listened to. The same thing happened with 4chan, where it wasn't about nerd stuff, it was about spouting memes in real life and later about open racism when memes because mainstream.
This is just the same thing for vtuber subculture and fandom.

>>73926372
No problem. Just do it while wearing the slut label as you should rather than lying about being an idol

>>73937126
look for another hobbies that don't involve people, because it's a part of normal live that people have friends and coworkers of the opposite sex

>>73926372
Nothing, I just don’t like them so I won’t watch. Was the same way with my male flesh streamer group when they invited a girl.

Like really people say
>“omg they held at gun point by unicorns so they can’t change their content or they will lose money!”
But isn’t that the same for everyone? When IM doesn’t hang out with Conner her numbers drop, when one game specialist try to branch out most fail,when zatsu specialist try playing games less people watch, when holos go out of the box people don’t stop watching. It’s literally the same shit

>>73937471
I know that you're never going to breed, but please do the planet a favor and irradiate your balls just to be 1000% sure that your genes don't make it back into the pool, tia

>>73927606
People who sperge out about it are retarded obviously. But the people on the other side are even more miserable, if you look at any of the vocal "TOXIC IDOL CULTURE" "UNICORN" psycos they are also probably involved in gender politics and all sorts of mental illness.
I don't want these people anywhere near hololive, if holostars is only capable of being used as a weapon to shit on Hololives there is no meaning in their existence. I am only seeing them as a net negative to hololive and I don't care about non holo vtubers.

>>73937741
Lead by example, beggarchama

>>73937367
There's countless chuubas you can watch for that, faggot. Why do you think these people started watching these chuubas over those in the first place?

>>73926372
I got into Hololive because it was advertised to me as an all-girls cast idol thing. I mostly consume all-girls cast media. They started shoving in men, I don't like it because I'm not here to see men. Simple as that.

Before Hololive, streaming was dominated by twitch. On twitch, anyone who gets popular inevitably collabs with all the same people. Everything just becomes the same thing, which is boring. Western fans like Hololive for their isolation and the girls only experience.

>>73926372
Similarly aged, heterosexual males and females can't be just friends. Usually one of the two is always attracted to the other one (mostly the male, but even girls can be horny. See Matsuri) which really changes the interactions between them. Personally, I don't enjoy seeing two people flirt with each other, I even dislike Yuri baiting but at least that one is clearly just for play and there's nothing behind it. Meanwhile a pairing like Zeta and Axel feel like they could actually have something going on which like I said, it's not enjoyable for me.

>>73931948
>holostars collabed with and defended an anti-white racist
>holostars did a speedrun any% in first suspension
>holostars shows penis during outfit reveal
I could go on but wow what a basis for male vtubing

>>73929265
Koyori collabed with 2 males recently, just watch streams

>>73926424
Knowing this is true maturity and understanding the true nature of humans. She replied therefore she has some goals with you.

>>73935632
We're all men, so no.

>>73926424
Is that an attempt at humor?

>>73926535
>vtuber fans
This thread reeks of new
This is idol culture. Don't like it? Don't watch idol streamers. Go watch one of the millions of twitch whores who call themselves vtubers for the one day a week they don't feel like jiggling their ass on camera and load up vtube studio

>>73927705
average unikek lmao

>>73926372
What about the opposite? What's unironically wrong with a company providing pure CGDCT content with no males involved? Especially when it's pretty much unique to them and you have a lot of alternatives if you want the opposite.

>>73937854
The problem is not holostars, the problem is the fans, they treat holo members as religion or sport teams, I watch a lot of different vtubers (I have my favorites obviously) and if the stream is boring to me, I look around other streams (I even watch streamers that are not vtubers!! wow). And that is how people should interact with entertainers.

All this toxic "ohh nyo she has a male collab" "ohh nyoo she is not playing the game I WANT" it's fucking bullshit of people in dear need of help.

And the BIG problem is the corpo side of thing, 99% of 4view streames outside of corpos (vtubers or flesh tubers) don't give 2 fucks about donos it's an extra, addrev and sponsors is where the bag is, but for most corpo vtubers the donos are almost 50% of their "salary" and that makes people in the vtuber community expect that their donos mean something, and when it doesn't they get buthurt.

Donate ti a streamer if you have extra cash you don't need and if you want to repay them for your enjoyment, don't donate thinking your are going to be noticed or because you think you own the streamer for doing it, they only ow you a "thank you".

If the stream bores you or you don't like the collab/content/whatever come back other day, it's that simple, creating hate is the worst thing you can do for your self, c'os shew will never know and if she does, she won't care.

>>73938374
Culture war freaks always demand other cultures get crushed into theirs. They're the soulless slop that tries to homogenize everything.

>>73938304
No hes right. Everyone in this thread is having sex rn. Its a big 4chan orgy. Therefore everyone here, especially OP, is a faggot.

>>73938374
It becomes pathetic and unhealthy when you have talented ladies like Kiara wanting to reach out to her male colleagues every once in a while and watching her stream go brrr with delusional manlets and misandrists telling her no, as if it would kill any of those mouthbreathers to just not watch a stream.

>homobeggars got kicked out from reddit

>spam thread here instead

>>73938796
>only MY way of consuming content is correct and everyone should do as I do!
>also, reddit spacing
go back

>>73926372
>KFP are fucking homobeggars

>>73938980
Chuubas can do whatever they want retard, just like consumers can support whatever they want. You can't control what people want to be a part of.

>>73939184
>reddit spacing
Only someone who uses reddit and thinks about it daily would know what reddit spacing is. Go back with him and have your retarded "erm actually" arguments over there

>>73926424
I'm not on either side but your post is funny anon, here's a You

>>73926424
Were you dropped on your head as an infant? Just honestly asking.

>>73939310
Wouldn't dream of it. I'm glad that those "fans" willingly out themselves as repugnant so that I can avoid them. I'm also free to feel bad for the talents who have to wrangle them.

>>73939184
>Oh no anon! don't tell me to consume content en a healthy way! I want to try to make people commit suicide and send all the hate I can if they don't do WANT I WANT AND ONLY WHAT I WONT!!!!!
Very good point anon.

>>73939369
I'm not having an argument, I'm telling you to fuck off.

>>73926372
Some people just like listening to the girl or guys voice, so when both are present, people get upset

>>73939750
Honestly I feel worse for the 3view homos struggling to make a living because their troon fans would rather argue on Twitter instead of supporting them. Or the Nijifemales having to deal with nepo hire sex pests while their black corpo management harasses them into killing themselves.
Holos seem to be doing pretty well even with their "incel" fanbase.

Sometimes it's fine, like Mori's collabs, but too often it turns into Kronii's collabs where she flirts with all the dudes.

>>73939750
sure, hopefully you're referring to the schizos who shit things up and not the people who just don't watch male collabing chuubas

I can't tell if you're asking this question because you're asinine, you want attention, you're ill-informed, or all three.

You have to understand that this community has one of the highest rates of mental illness/disorders. Combining mentally ill persons with anime girls/boys is a recipe for disaster.

You want to make mixed-gender collabs more common? Fix mental illness and normalize the collaborations. Don't try to mandate mixed-collabs because a large group won't actually watch. You could simply change your entire audience to fit your goals, but you need to be damn smart about doing it. Be like Joji and learn from how he left Filthy Frank behind to pursue his music.

I'm not going to bother bumping your thread because you haven't actually researched and monitored what the Vtuber audience is like.

>>73940123
> what the Vtuber audience is like.
Most of the Vtuber audience don't give a shit, it's mostly the schizos on this board.

>>73939945
Isn't it nijimales having to get wage jobs to get by?

>>73927705
Stop lying, you probably never even got to the stage where the other liked you back
That ain't NTR, man

>73940432
>Don't give a shit
About what? I'm not following what your statement is referring too.
My apologies.

>>73939869
nothing about vtubing is healthy - neither for the watcher nor for the streamer, I am well aware. But I don't need commies like you to decide for me how I have to consume what content. Especially since I'm more reflected than you, as shown by:
>make people commit suicide and send all the hate I can
ironically, the biggest shitstorms always come from homobeggars like you who don't get their way, not "unicorns". I've yet to see one of those "death threats" applied upon a male collab. And no, a customer stating their dissatisfaction with the product is not "cyberbullying" or whateverthefuck your twitter friends call it nowadays

>>73940432
If that was true then you'd see more Holos jumping into mixed collabs. They don't because they know the majority of the audience actively hates it. The collapse in the audience for all the girls that participated in those collabs also proves it. You just don't see opposition against it outside of here because it's not seen as socially acceptable to openly say you don't want female vtubers to interact with men so people tend to be quiet about it.

>>73932486
oooof. lmao

>>73927705
Did the police officer tell you to stay away from the kindergarden fence?

>>73939932
Im also not the person you told to go back retard. Literally go back. You arypph2ae what you hate faggot.

i seriously have no problem with mixed collabs if it's clear from the start that a chuba does them and it doesn't become a trend in the entire company.
why do i even care at all? i like thing A but not thing B and don't want thing A to become thing B, sometimes you just do and that's how it is.

>>73938374
>1. It creates a toxic fanbase
Look at the reaction some of the girls that used to be only CGDCT when they collab with guys
>2. It limits growth
The streamers would have less opportunities to network with other vtubers
>3. Stagnates creativity
Less streaming ideas
>4. It's just straight up sexist
I don't need to explain this one

>>73940929
and then they wonder why the holo ladies disappear for months on end

>>73941535
>Look at the reaction some of the girls that used to be only CGDCT when they collab with guys
yeah, people don't like it when you ditch them for a new audience. local rock bands used to get shit for switching to a radio-friendly style. it's a normal part of having fans who are invested in your content.
>The streamers would have less opportunities to network with other vtubers
good, non-CGDCT vtubers are trash and male vtubers are all sexpests. keeping them out makes your brand stronger.
>Less streaming ideas
this is just stupid. Do whatever you were going to do with a man with a woman instead. What you mean is "less unhinged collabs with my favorite homos", and again, that's a good thing.
>It's just straight up sexist
This is your real problem: you hate seeing women being successful without owning da chudcels. Get fucked sister!

>>73941535
>It creates a toxic fanbase
Look at NijiEN and their amazing fanbase instead right? Or the homotroons seething about FWMC for ignoring the homos at that con. Plus most homosisters are too busy discussing Twitter politics instead of watching streams and supporting the talents. They are a worthless fanbase.
>It limits growth
HoloEN is absolutely dominating the western Vtubing scene while everyone else is imploding and getting into retarded drama. And they are doing it by staying in their own bubble. If you wanna numberfag you should know it's one of the strongest arguments against collabing with homos.
>Stagnates creativity
What's creative about homo collabs?
>It's just straight up sexist
Lmao. Aside from the fact that I don't give a shit about your Twitter politics the streaming scene is absolutely dominated by male content creators. Hololive actually managed to make female streamers competitive without forcing them to do coomer bathub streams or becoming homo accessories.

>>73941890
When your oshi decides to nuke her online presence and switch careers, you will have yourself to thank.

>>73926372
I'll give a different perspective here: I watch girls for cgdct, boys for cbdct and my main oshi is male. Mixed gender interactions by themselves are totally fine as long as they have a proper 'friend' distance, but what's not fine are the obnoxious shippers, beggars and people who try to use those interactions to go against "idol culture" while not actually giving a shit about either the female or the male vtuber involved. And since these groups manage to be even more obnoxious than unicorns, I would prefer not to have any of these collabs. In the end I can tolerate them as long as they don't become a big part of the vtuber's content, clearly meant to appeal to shippers (like with Roberu and Mea). And of course some things would clearly cross the line, such as 1 on 1 offcollabs outside of the studio.
Tl;dr mixed gender collabs can be ok if there's no flirting involved and shippers don't get obnoxious about them, gender segregation is still preferable though.

>>73926372
If like Njisanji, they'd get to fuck each other. Holo girls are missing out.

>>73942292
>nooo you have to encourage dude collabs or else your oshi graduates
first off kys. furthermore, you don't think the talents are aware what expectations the audience they cultivate has? maybe before the homo wars everyone on the EN side of chuubing was naive enough think the majority of simps would be alright with co-ed (and proceed to shred their career up over nothing) but now not so much i'd wager.

>>73941535
>It's just straight up sexist
You're just offended that men and women are being treated like men and women, instead of being treated like blank slates.

>>73942859
You're one bad day away from becoming a spree killer, aren't you? Please get therapy before it's too late.

>>73926372
I'm here to watch cute anime girls and nothing else, it's that simple.

>>73943429
i accept your concession

>>73926372
I generally don't like it when my oshi does it because her choice of males to hang with is absolutely abysmal. When it's other holostars I don't mind, but shit like Merryweather and fucking Lost Pause? Ollie says some risky stuff, and that tends to come out a lot more when she has a male in one of her collabs, but when it comes to the Holostars I know they're gonna keep themselves in check and not be weird about it, but most of her collab partners, not just the males, act super weird about what she says. It's uncomfortable enough when her female friends act strangely to something she says or makes a big deal out of it, but that awkwardness only doubles when its with a dude, it's like crossing a line, it's really hard to explain. I think it's partially because I'm a concernfag and know that Ollie is super self conscious about herself, and she thinks the only way to get attention and be remembered is to be this hyperactive, loud sexpest instead of the kind, gentle person she really is. Seeing her feed into that just kinda bums me out, since it diminishes who she is as a person and just reduces her to this one note status of being "that one holo who it's okay to collab with if you're a male"

But I'm not a unicorn; I still think the Vesper/Magni/Kronii/Mori collabs were some of the best content Holo ever put out desu. Opposite gender collabs are only bad because you just can't say certain things, and a majority of the time the vibes, tension and atmosphere is always gonna be off, and some Vtubers just act completely different than they usually do which can be a bit offputting. I watch streams to be entertained, not to feel like I'm being held hostage at a christmas dinner with extended family.

>>73943585
>complaining about homocollab anything when his oshi is ollie
what's your endgame

From the dating angle: I’m not going to sit there and watch a 2+ hour flirt session between my oshi and some transparent as fuck clown. Just because I have 0 chance with the streamer doesn’t mean I’m going to sit there and watch someone who does shoot their shot.

From an enjoyment angle: 99% of the time the male adds absolutely nothing to the collab beyond dick jokes. I’ve given the homos more than enough chances to impress me and the only one who ever did was Roberu. He at least tried to be entertaining. If more male vtubers would try to focus on being entertaining like he does and not trying to flirt the entire collab maybe they’d have more fans. Be more like Kuzuha/Roberu/Astel. Be less like Luca/Vesper/Kyo

>>73927705
It's going to happen again, just wait :D

>>73943707
Roberu and Astel both built what popularity they have on flirting with women. That's the entertaining content male vtuber fans want to watch, which is why collabs with male vtubers are always bad.

>>73934915
In life he could not be a cute anime boy. So now he passes on that dream to his sons ;_;7

>>73943707
You can't group Kuzuha with the other two, his popularity doesn't come from his interactions with women unlike them like >>73943975 said. Especially Astel, the main thing he's known for nowadays is being a creep towards girls.

>>73944200
I haven’t watched any of them in over a year so I admit my opinions on them might be outdated. My favorite clip of Astel was him finding a gold Charge Rifle in Apex and him turning into a goddamn gremlin and raping half the lobby with that thing. Shit had me flabbergasted and busting a gut laughing. For Roberu it’s obviously the “winning son” stuff. That was some good shit and it had nothing to do with flirting.

>Does Nothing
>Wins

>>73926424
wtf

>>73926372
Hololive will never become nijisanji. Cope and seethe.

>>73943913
wtf CHADstel

>>73926372
Looks at how popular boy streams are, then look at how popular girl streams are
Now ask yourself why would you want these disproportionately popular vtubers to collab together

>>73929895
>Ayame (very recently)
She always collabed and played with males if she has fun playing that game
It's very obvious she plays with her clique on her time off but it's unironically for games (girls cant play)

>>73926372

>>73947519
>Hates male Collabs because of numbers
Die

>>73947652

>>73947519
Because a) they actually sometimes want to collab together and b) yelling at them not to fosters resentment and burnout. I'd rather my oshis try different things that interest them, even if those particular streams don't wind up being 100% my thing.

>>73947765

>>73947947
Enjoy the male collabs

>>73948107
here's a bonus, enjoy pomu and millie talking about their panties with luca
https://youtu.be/rQU-hZKaPMQ?t=9877

>incel incel incel schizo touch grass take meds!!!
can homobeggars make it more obvious they are Twitter tourists and absolutely don't belong /here/?

>>73926424
Yet everyone on this board is still a virgin despite arguing with sisters all day. Curious isn't it?

>>73948330
plz understand, social shaming has been an effective tactic all their lives. They just can't understand why it won't work here.

>>73947738
>people like thing
Lets combine it with thing they dont like
>people hate it
WTF
Call it numbers call it whatever the fuck you want, it doesnt change a single fucking thing

I think it is based when a vtuber gives no shit about the needs of schizo and just does whatever they want

>>73948330
>can homobeggars make it more obvious they are Twitter tourists and absolutely don't belong /here/?
They can not make it more obvious, mostly because they are in denial about what they're doing. It's yet another example of Rainbow Capitalism attempting to infest and gentrify an entertainment industry, which is funny because most of the people that do it are self-proclaimed socialists. They come into a space, determine which parts of its structure they do not like, and then relentlessly attack those traits with rhetoric and social pressure.

They waddle their asses into the vtubing community, determine that women are being "controlled" by evil bad dirty chuds, and think they're crusading for social justice. In reality they're attacking the root of the industry's business model. Without unicorns this entire thing implodes.

Seems paradoxical with my claim about Rainbow Capitalism earlier, right? Why would the tools of capitalists attack a system by which capitalism functions? Because they're not intelligent enough to know what they're doing. The very idea that a paid entertainer must be protected from their audience's preferences is incredibly stupid. Their rhetorical device of calling it "unhealthy" is simply derived from their sense of self-righteousness.

if the vtuber explicitly says that she is your girlfriend and wants you to be with her forever, then she should never collab with guys or do vaultroom crazy raccoon crap with shibuya hal's ecelebs sexpests. its simple, we as fans dont want to see our girlfriend talking at another guy onstream and laughing at his jokes, its degrading and insulting to make your fans be the third wheel if you gfe contents and then flip flop with male collabs. im talking about you, matsuri. you dirty skank jp whore, was mitii's dick that good that you would betray your fans's smiles so much bitch ? i hope your hololive career goes to the ground, as you realised the after effects of your grifting finally coming back to bite you in the ass. it is so funny too, to see more and more hololive girls passed you in superchats and subs count despite you being there longer than them. i hope you choked to death while sucking one of the eceleb's penis, bitch. i would love to see you gasping for air while saliva drools from your mouth as the penis slowly penetrates your throat. i hope you suffer death permanently, even in the afterlife you would still get fucked but this time by the satan himself.

>>73926372
>>73926424
>>73926535
Have you ever spent time around a guy and a girl who flirt with eachother?
You know that feeling of being the third wheel?
That's opposite gender collabs.
Every time.

>>73926424
fpbp

>>73949106
Yes but then theyre not allowed to complain when all their viewers leave and stop buying their merch

>>73950075
That's just your inferiority complex getting the better of you anon.

>>73950190
>which never hapenned btw, but it will i promise
kek

>>73948361
Sisters only like anime men. They won’t let me slip into their DMs(or maybe I just have negative rizz)

>>73949252
Anon i say this with the best of intentions and i'm absolutely not mocking you,

go to therapy, you really gotta take care of your mind.

>>73926372
Male voices are gross. No one wants to listen to that shit.

>>73926372
I can't stand male streamers. I can't take system approved shit that even holomales can't stop shitting out, but I can forgive women for having terrible opinions.

>>73950498
Objectively wrong.

>>73950784
OK, faggot.

>>73950190
The zhangs also said the exact same thing but here we are

>>73950333
I has happened but not as often as unicorns want you to believe.

>>73926372
I know this is a bait thread but allow me to break it down in a way that isn't coming from a place of insecurity. I watch vtubers to see women acting cute and funny. This is something women have been extra extra terrible at in recent times so it's nice to see them have to rely on their personality for once. Obviously, some are terrible at this even in fake anime girl form and resort to thottery but I simply do not watch those whores. Now what use is a man in this space to me? I'll admit it, I can be a little gay from time to time and enjoy some traps or shotas but vtuber males are nearly always otome game choices. NOT cute. Could be funny but not cute.

So when a man is trying to do the woman's job in the same space, it is off-putting. It's like watching a comedy roast with the best comedians dishing it out yet a woman trying to participate. It doesn't work. She can't keep up and is not able to compete with the savage wit of her male counterparts. The best she can hope for is to pretend to have balls but even still it reeks of desperation. Women have no place in that world of funny just like how men don't belong in the realm of cute and funny. They're different genres of entertainment. It's still possible the stream becomes entertaining with a dude but it definitely isn't the ticket I paid for when tuning in.

>>73949216
>The very idea that a paid entertainer must be protected from their audience's preferences is incredibly stupid. Their rhetorical device of calling it "unhealthy" is simply derived from their sense of self-righteousness.

Dude, we've all seen the clip of Kiara meekly floating the idea of doing a dude collab and getting shot down by the mob of mouthbreathers in her chat. People like that - and (You) - absolutely need to be relentlessly attacked with rhetoric and social pressure. If she was content to spend all of her time being a babysitter for chuds like you then she wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

>>73926372
nothing.

>>73951646
>cute and funny
The word you are looking for is "charming"

Different product, different target audience.

>>73927811
You forgot
>go panty shopping and show it off in front of the males

>>73951646
Holy fag.

>>73938051
You should become a girl while you're at it

>>73926372
All female Vtubers are my girlfriends.

If they talk to a male, they are basically having sex with them, being unfaithful to me.

This is a problem, because according to sharia, I must kill them both, which is ANNOYING.

I hope this is clear and easy to understand.

>>73951667
You're right Kiara should've joined NijiEN instead. Have the corpo take 90% of her earnings, become the accessory of some lazy sex pest subhuman and then get harassed into quitting by the amazing and progressive Nijisisters because she decided to take a cup of coffee from Starbucks.
No matter how hard you try to spam this retarded narrative about le evil chudcels opressing the girls reality just keeps proving you wrong. But you'll never realize it because you don't give a fuck about Vtubers and instead waste all your time on Xitter arguing with other pronoun freaks.
If things went your way Vtubing would be dead.

>>73952318
please close the Reddit tab and take your meds

It goes against the expectation of people wanting to watch cgdct streams, which is and has been the major draw of Hololive. Shoving mixed gender collabs into that is just trying to go against the grain (usually purposefully) or to make a statement.

That being said, if it's some indie or corpo that doesn't try and have that cgdct draw then mixed gender collabs are fine and generally can work pretty well.

>>73927811
notice how this has only 2 replies because retards who want male collabs can't argue against any point that isn't "lol she's not ur gf bro xD"

>>73926372
No you are not genuinely asking here, this is obviously bait

>>73928918
A year and a half later and homofans are still coping like this, saying it’s all just people trolling or messing around

>>73952800
see>>73934802

>>73951667
Chat was not like that, and Kiara speaks about dude youtubers/her friends all the time. She just prefers to collab with girls, for reasons stated in that members clip you've probably also seen

>>73952548
Lmao. I accept your concession Twitter troon.

>>73952879
There's more than one of you, sure. But much like with other varieties of chuds in my country, the loudness of your screeching distracts people from how few of you there really are. Your sexism is not normal. Normal people with grown-up jobs and responsibilities interface with people of other genders and sexual orientations every day, platonically, as a matter of course.

>>73938980
>talented ladies like Kiara wanting to reach out to her male colleagues every once in a while
Take your meds, your delusions are running wild.

>>73951667
>People like that - and (You) - absolutely need to be relentlessly attacked with rhetoric and social pressure
Then I hope you enjoy 2034, when people like you are relentlessly attacked with chains and ropes. That's what's coming and it's your fault.

>>73926372
the only people who care are either:
1. numberfags (retards)
2. unicorns (retards)
3. dramaqueen shitposters (retards)
there is no other argument against male collabs. the number argument isnt even strong.

>>73953477
It's cute that you think we don't have something stronger than chains and ropes to answer you with.

>>73938980
She said in members that she has no desire actually

>>73953639
You don't have anything to answer with other than social media posturing and empty rhetoric. The moment shit gets real you shrivel up and die, just like German ANTIFA in the 1930s.

>>73952671
Yep, it's like talking to NPCs.

>>73953693
keep telling yourself that
https://youtu.be/HFHOHfnYruI?si=sPMAGOo8-Ns4viR8

If a vtuber is collabing with a male it's presumably a male vtuber i.e. an anime boy
Anime boys are gay annoying faggots
That's it. That's all. I would watch the shit out of Fauna collabing with Northernlion

>>73927211
i hear this all the time but ive never once seen an instance of this.

>>73953871
>antifa tracked down
Must have been real hard with the armband kek
You retards are clowns.

>homobeggars are actually antifa
Who could have seen this coming?

KEK they aren't even hiding the fact they are seething Twittertroons raiding this place. You subhumans are yet another good reason why people don't want mixed collabs. We don't want your malformed kind to destroy another hobby.

Can somebody make a new thread on this?

>>73954335
don't worry I'm sure the KFP homobeggar will make a new one

>>73926372
Don't want to hear or see male chuubas.
They are also all sexpest freaks.

>>73954529
you will never be kfp, homobeggar

>>73953361
Kiara kept asking over and over if it was ok to collab with males way before Stars EN came out, but the Huke incident has her too paranoid to consider collabing.

>>73926372
Livers should be able to date each other just like Nijisanji. To prevent that is just wrong.