/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7363898
>be cover
i already lost it there

>>7363898
>>Expect your vtubers to pay out their own pockets for merch, music and 3D streams.
Is this real

>>7363898
ItS oKAy, jUsT TRuSt CovER guYs

ogey

>>7364071
Yes, Lamy notoriously lost money on some merch. Also what even happened To Hololive Alt?

>>7363898
In the end Cover surviving and existing will bring in new talent while the ones who cant cope with it will quit so who cares. Their current direction is working incredibly well for them.

>>7364079
IRyS AZKi

>>7364071
for music covers or originals? yes. my oshi confirmed this. they spent at least around $500 or more out of their own pocket for production.

>>7363898
>>7363851

Come on, anonchama, try to mix it up a little. Too obvious.

>>7363898
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>>7364071
Cover sponsors some merch, music and 3D streams, but if the talents want to have more than the given quotas, then they'll have to cover those extras themselves.

>>7364099
>>7364151
Is it like this for most vtuber companies? Or is this practice out of the norm?

>>7363898
>And many worthless music videos that will amount to nothing.
i want to seethe about this but coverfag will just defend their muh best CEO yagoo, its sadden me that real talent cant get enough support

>employ #3 female streamer on earth
>delay her new outfit
>spend money on le cube
I have NO FUCKING CLUE how this country was competing with us in the 80's.

>>7364223
Real talent won't join holo anon

>>7363898
I wonder how much money they wasted on that fucking cube

>>7364275
This. Hololive should be treated as a stepping stone for talent to gain experience to go on their own. Hololive should not be their ceiling.

ive seen like 20 Irys anti threads today
hololive reject seething?

>>7364213
What big Vtuber companies are there besides Nijisanji? I don't think they do that although I only watch EN.

>>7364154
Some posts deserve to be threads more than others.

>>7364213
most, indies as well

>>7364275
>>7364378
Touristchamas...
You know all holos were indies or run of the mill streamers before, right?
They joined Cover because they wanted.

>>7364071
Yes. Marine paid for her next anniversary stream.

>>7364419
There have been a couple girls that outright admitted they were seething over not getting in and seeing IRyS insta incline made them ragepost.

>>7364735
shuba shuba shuba shuba

>>7364735
Did you actually think this post contributed anything of relevancy?

>>7364831
I'm sure they're literal whos but I still want to see.

>>7364835
Anon, japan has more mainstrean streaming services than the west.
>>7364866
Using Cover as a stepping stone is the most normalfag argument only people not following the vtubing scene would come.
A big portion of Holos are or were big shots on the japanese streaming scene, even bigger than their own holos personas.They literally have no reason to bear with Cover for some clout when they already have a noticeable size of followers to live of.

>>7364079
two more collabs!

>>7363898
oh yeah, btw cover will spend another 150k for IRyS MV, so please girls do your shilling reps okay

>>7364831
Who?

>>7365050
>They literally have no reason to bear with Cover
This is true.
Think about what you get for being in hololive:
>legal support
>people to bounce ideas off of
>collabs with anyone else in hololive
>cover's resources (hardware/software/artists/potential sponsorships/etc)
This is on top of the obvious of being paid to promote yourself to their massive audience of simps.
You do lose:
>your original model/lore/channel(if you had it to begin with)
>some freedom
but I think it's worth it in the long run.

>>7365904
>i fucked up the first quote
oh well.
>They literally have no reason to bear with Cover for some clout

>>7364275
what kind of opinion is this faggot

>>7365904
>collabs with anyone else in hololive
Yeah, that sure seems to be consistent and fair across the whole company and no holos have ever been mysteriously blacklisted.

Communism: the belief that everyone should get the exactly the same treatment as everyone else or it's JUST NOT FAIR!

>>7365996
Just put a big fat asterisk that says 'barring special circumstances' and i'm still right.

>>7366039
meritocracy: a system, organization, or society in which people are chosen and moved into positions of success, power, and influence on the basis of their demonstrated abilities and merit
>cover had amazing talents, amazing singer, amazing entertainer
>proceed to fund this rando vsinger just because she is half japanese and reside in japan

>>7366171
Triggered your fave indie reject wasn't chosen instead, commie? Let the market decide IRyS's fate and Cover's.

>>7366201
>Let the market decide IRyS's fate and Cover's.
triggered? nah, already settled, it was a flop, great job though cover, please dont repeat this mistake anymore

>>7366248
we will file that opinion in our trash compartment

>>7366263
>LARPing as Cover
Holy fuck this is a new low

>>7364234
>spend money on le cube
>money
Anon the cube looks and sounds like it cost $10 to produce. I don't think Cover broke the bank over it.

>>7366348
how much is that in ARS? Could be a fortune to most posters on this board.

>>7364071
Yes, nothing is free btw

>>7364099
No. Her personal sake project was a success. But the upfront production cost exceeded her earning in that month.

>>7363898
As a Holobrony, I just watched the Nijisanji AR live concert on YouTube and, damn, Niji is totally mogging Holo in terms of 3D performance capture, AR tracking, and live online event production, and tickets are cheaper too. When the fuck can we get that shit, Yagoo? Whatever happened to that "virtual idol" part of Hololive that some of your talent still clings by?

>>7366348
Well, firstly it does sound and look like 10$.
But, judging how they had to hire an entire animations studio to do this shitty animation, really shows that:
1. They had to put quite a bit of cash into it.
2. Cover once again shows that they are not about quality, but rather only about hype.

>>7366201
La goblina will never be popular

>>7366626
It's nothing to be ashamed of.
Nijisanji always was about 2-3 years ahead in technology.
So don't worry, you'll get the same quality eventually, somewhere in 2023-2024.

>>7364071
>out of their own pockets
>implying their cut isn't intended to cover business expenses as well
Some of the upper management would fucking love to "pay" for all of that now that it's easy to get new blood into hololive. They'll just renegotiate the contracts so holos get a 5% cut instead of 30%+. Hell, salary would be best. Oh you didn't want to do that many covers? Guess we're cutting your branch's budget next year.

>>7366663
When was the last time you hired an animation studio anon? I could hire an elite team of Indian artists for about 400 rupees right now and it will mog the shit out of Prelude.

Cover does not fund personal projects only group projects. If your talent wants to do a cover on her channel then it's her call to do so. If they don't want to spend a dime. They don't have to. They can literally wait until a project comes along. Bloom features people like Choco and Mel who hasn't released a cover or an original song on their own channel but have original music without costing them a dime. They don't have to release merch. They get offers for sponsorsered merch. Marine got a mix of sponsored and personal items for her birthday. If you want Cover to fund everything then these girls should live on a salary and not get 50% of the cut of their donations. They spend on their personal merch because they get a bigger cut there. It's not just 50%. Lamy went on a negative for a certain month because the yukimins ordered so much of her merch. You all forgot to mention that Cover didn't bill her. They merely showed that she was on a negative which implies they were going to take care of the cost and they will just adjust it the next month. The cost that the talents have to pay during concerts are the instrumentals they want to use, copyright usage and thumbnail art. They don't actually pay to use the studio nor the 3D assets. The only way Cover will fund anything is if the suits think their song is up to par to the vision that they want. If that would be the case, the girls won't be able to release any songs that they like but rather what is only good brand wise. Just the fact that there is variety means they have a certain creative leniency. Irys will probably get pennies from any original music she releases. The only way she will earn money is if she regularly stream and earn SCs for herself. Her covers are probably self funded or on a tight budget. You can tell by how simple they are.

>>7366968
Mel and Choco has released covers but has not released originals on their own channels

>>7366968
>Lamy went on a negative for a certain month because the yukimins ordered so much of her merch. You all forgot to mention that Cover didn't bill her. They merely showed that she was on a negative which implies they were going to take care of the cost and they will just adjust it the next month.
This actually makes a lot more sense. Going negative cause sales couldnt even meet fixer costs seems weird given how big their fan base is

>>7366761
Pretty much. Coco was dominanting Yagoo when she asked how much was his salary was and he had to admit that he isn't earning Coco levels of money.

>>7366823
Look at their video description. Doesn't look like 400 rupee indian studio. Of course this studio could have outsourced their work to indian studio, and in that case they would massively scammed Cover, which is pretty based.

>>7367120
Yagoo owns a part of the company, its probably worth millions

>>7367120
Well, and where did all this money lead Coco to? Pieces of her are now sold in Wuhan street food vendors.

>>7367218
Actual money and shares are two different things.
>>7367250
This isn't really the point of the thread. We are talking about funding. Permissions is another thing entirely.

>>7366968
There's definitely a section of the company budget reserved for holo music works. Aqua pretty much leaked that when she talked about having to either spend her own money to get something out fast or get into a months-long queue for the same thing.
So the argument boils down to "Cover should allocate more of their own budget for the girls' works", but then, setting aside the fact that Cover would probably have to quadruple that portion to maintain the frequency of videos coming out, if it reaches a point where Cover is supposedly paying for every piece of music a holo puts out, how is the budget split? Don't you think people will be pissed off, like the very shit the OP is bitching about, if a holo comes back after months of not streaming and uses the Cover budget earned by other holos to put out a bunch of original songs? What about non-musically inclined holos like Noel, or (sadly) holos who don't get much exposure like Aki? Do they get the same amount of music videos put out? Are they forced to put out music instead of streaming to consume their portion of the budget? Production cost doesn't go down just because you can only get 100K views on your video.
So since all these budget division issues rear their head and people want to see that money spent wisely, you get a bunch more bullshit bureaucracy and holos having to justify how their songs will recoup the cost. And in most cases, they don't - the benefits are intangible and don't appear on an accounting sheet.

Then if you say, "okay, let's avoid all the strife and just have holos only spend what they earned", you're back to basically having the holos pay for their shit themselves, except now the suits get to nitpick it even more because they're technically funding it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cover floated this shit about "managing music production" early on and the JP holos shut it down themselves. Spending your own money your own way is always better than giving it to your company to 'spend it wisely' for you.

>>7367659
They will definitely measure who gets what based on numbers. People will never get a chance if it's left up to Cover or some metric

>>7364770
Fuck off. There's no way Marine had to pay for a while concert by herself. You must be a nijinigger spreading false information

>>7364223
>real talent
Most of these people except pecor and Marine would be nobodies without Cover and they have not much "talent" whatsoever

Imagine seething so much over a fucking cube

>>7366716
Niji is the Android to Hololive's Apple; it makes more sense than I'd like to admit

>>7365978
Check for the vsinger thread for more opinions like these.

>>7366626
>watemelon
>As a Holobrony
stopped reading, do your falseflag reps

>>7363898
Yagoo unironically gets fucked over by middle management he can't easily fire bc Japanese law.
>gets told an answer is NG so he must change how he phrases it

>>7369061
I've invented a new IQ test that only uses brand analogies. You used an Android/Apple analogy so that puts you in the sub 70 range or clinically retarded.

>>7369061
Honestly, that analogy makes a lot of sense even beyond the tech, especially in terms of
how fragmented and vast Niji's talent pool is compared to Holo's more selective approach,
how much the companies focus in their marketing approach, and how their fanbases are cultivated and in how they behave.

>>7363898
>And many worthless music videos that will amount to nothing.
what videos?

The fucking Russian indie wolf has more costumes and backgrounds than an average Holo or Niji talent. Please step it up.
but she's an animator/artist herself and isn't bound by corporate "we can't use that software because it's not ours" bullshit, soo

>>7364071
Generally agencies will have specific occasions where they'll pay up to a fixed amount for personal stuff and that's it.
For example, Niji gives each member 'free' studio time exactly once, for their 3D debut - and that only extends to them standing in a room, if they want to do anything more involved they have to pay the extra costs.

>>7363898
YOU FORGOT THAT THEY SHOT DOWN COCO'S PLAN TO GIVE THE GIRLS STREAMLABS SO THEY CAN AT LEAST GET MONEY WITHOUT CUTS.

>>7365996
>collabs with anyone else in hololive
>no holos have ever been mysteriously blacklisted.
Holostars bros...

>>7364071
Yes, multiple Holos have come out and talked about how much money they burn out of their own pocket just to produce the content that people expect.
Cover is utter scum.

>hololive
draws dimes
>indies
don't draw dimes

Simples as

>>7365904
>legal support
Mel...

>>7366201
You are not immune to propaganda

>>7363898
>>7364071
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Dette er et tema som dessverre har fått lite fokus her hjemme i Norge, noe vi mener noen ganger kan føre til at unge, ensomme menn ikke får hjelp. Poenget med prosjektet er å få mer innsikt i hvordan norske incels har det, hva slags støtte man opplever å få på internettfora for ensomme menn, og hva som kan gjøres for å forbedre situasjonen for menn i denne gruppen.

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>>7372524
They pay for more than Niji does, so the correct conclusion is actually "corpos are scum".

>>7365904
>legal support
yeahj sure, one of their talent really benefited from one right????
>cover's resources (hardware/software/artists/potential sponsorships/etc)
rumao

God I wish IRyS got a 3D model first.

>>7364071
If you aren't baiting - the answer is yes and no.
Cover does sponsors merchs, music and 3D streams. However, they don't sponsor everything - unplanned (by Cover) personal projects have to be, at least initially, funded by the talents themselves. A Holo isn't going to be able to just request funding from Cover for any project they can think of on top of their head.
On the other hand, that doesn't mean Cover just left the talents to fend for themselves in personal projects either. When a Holo finishes their personal project (i.e: songs), they can (but don't have to) offer Cover to buy the finished products and make it official, effectively recoup their investments. Sometimes Cover bought those project, sometimes they didn't.

>>7365904
>legal support
kek, tell that to Mel.
>people to bounce ideas off of
we have permission to play this game, everyone! let's play it all, at once, also infamous pattern, zatsudan, karaoke, game (repeat to infinity)
>collabs with anyone else in hololive
as long as you are woman, well liked, yab free or not blacklisted.
>cover's resources (hardware/software/artists/potential sponsorships/etc)
15FPS

>>7367250
I wanna try some of her dragon meat

Hololive talents aren't dumb. Many of them are successful and don't even need Cover or being a VTuber to survive. The fact that most members are still staying, and the ones who left (including Coco who said she "has nothing but gratitude for the management"), left without any bad blood should tell you that no matter how incompetent Cover might be, at least they are good enough that their talents are still sticking by them. Even Mel (since I saw her name being brought up here) is still there after all that drama.
I know this is likely bait, but do you retards think that those girls are mentally retarded women in an abusive relationship or something?

>>7374892
>do you retards think that those girls are mentally retarded women in an abusive relationship or something?
Yes

>>7374892
>but do you retards think that those girls are mentally retarded women
It is unironically self-projection anon.

>>7363898
yagoo is a fag go
watch vtubers from her company instead

>>7373155
I wonder how many years it will take until people finally wake up.

>>7374529
Based

>>7369271
Assigning people numbers to decide their general intelligence is retarded.

>>7366968
do you have a source for this?

>>7368194
>Fuck off. There's no way
You underestimate how jewish Cover is.

>>7363898
IRyS is definitely the "favorite" of someone in management.

>>7363898
>You make a Vsinger who gets everything handed to her on a silver platter for FREE

I love seeing premium seethe. IRyS is a one a kind singer who has already proven her worth. And she is definitely the best singer in hololive. I'm not surprised that cover is injecting every dollar they have into Irys.

>>7363898
Suddenly V-shojo doing V-shitshow collabs with other V-tuber agencies doesnt seem all that bad anymore.

>>7382537
>injecting every dollar they have into Irys.
I lauged.
>It's in ARS

>>7382537
bait

Sora is definitely Yagoo's daughter
Why the fuck is she used for ERROR
Why even Horror?
She's not scary
Hololive isn't scary

>>7364503
None of them do. You just want people to jerk you off.

>>7372524
>>7373155
retards

>>7383783
>SWWSH
What did he mean by this?

>>7383986
You don't support the exploitation of the proletariat (Pekora) by the bourgeoisie (Yagoo), do you anon?

>>7364114
Why even be hololive. Just hold out for vsinger.

>>7376761
numbers are the only thing that speak the truth

>>7363898
I don't like Irys but to be fair she was the only one hired to be a proper idol. No one else was hired to have their own projects financed by Cover

>>7364213
For songs and l2ds generally a company will pay for something occasionally but the majority of releases will have been commissioned by the tuber. That's why some have far more costumes or songs than others even if they aren't as popular. Like in Holo matsuri and Subaru have a ton of costumes because they want to get more. And in Niji livers like Tomoe and Deron release covers at least once a month. In Deron's case a lot of her original songs are written by fans, then she'll sing it and either other fans or she'll get an MV made for it. it's a unique relationship that Cover probably would be terrified of doing and the closest they've had with that was 2019 Miko and 35p projects

>>7383783
Because Sora is Covers' mascot chubba.

Yagoo's face of hololive.