/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72967213
The sad reality is that she is topping out, doubt she could reach 2m even if another vtuber boom happened

>>72967213
I can't fix her

>>72967213
It's her voice that filters everyone.
My god I can't stand her more than 30 secs at a time.

>>72967390
i have hopes for her, i believe people dont really get to know her and often get intimidated by how hyper she is.

it honesly isnt a bad number, with gura being an exception, the rest of myth isnt really that far. suisei for example isnt that far either, but kiara really does try...

>>72967213
She is just too much of a piece of shit for some people to follow, and not piece of shit enough for the other half.

Like she talks like a smug asshole, but has the actual confidence and conviction of a single sheet of wet toilet paper. She has ideas and does activities that are vaguely fresh and new, but doesn't put effort into them so they fall short.

It's like watching Yoko Ono make "new" music where she just shrieks into the microphone.

>>72967450
^ unironically this
i don't even watch collabs with her anymore for the same reason, she sounds just way to retarded
i get that 3/4 holos have fake voices but nobody is worse at this then kiara
>t. somebody who actually watched her streams years before she joined holo and would still talk like a normal human

>>72967648
ive heard that about her personality over and over, i honestly think she is just a little less polite and a little more true to herself than the rest of hololive, and you guys hate her for that contrast

i agree with the ideas and projects

>>72967213
The only upside Kiara has is being an absolute sex demon when she dances.

>>72967648
janny there's amurderer right here

>>72967213
>after 6 months she only has a 100k more
100k? She is at 1.510.000 subs now though?
That's 10k since around this time she did this endurance in mid September 2023

Is it bad to wish she'd graduate just to see how sexy she'll be as an indie? Imagine how fat the ass would be.

>>72967648
Damn you hit the nail on the head with the second paragraph. I wanna root for her but everytime I check out her big projects they seem super half assed or just not for me.

>>72967213
I feel like Kiara has a permanently poor reputation among hololive fans. She's loud, annoying, self-centered, rude and plain unpleasant to be listen to. Whenever she collabs with another member that's the gist of what her collab partner's thread says about her. That reputation gives her extremely little room for growth.

>>72968030
She's such a numberfag she won't give up her current sub count easily cause she knows her personality can't carry the same growth without the vtuber boom plus brandname behind it.

Other girls can maybe get where they are now but I really don't think Kiara is one of them. It's evident in most of myth sans Gura and maybe Mori at this point.

All she really has to do is stop with the chicken voice shit and unironically she will be more liked but it could even be too late. She had dialed it back considerably but she just needs to drop it entirely and move on. NOBODY like it.

>>72968357
>stop with the chicken voice shit
it's ingrained into her accent now, she can't help it because she's a retard

If Kiara, by default, had a much more appealing design, she'd probably be more popular. Of all original Myth members, Kiara's design combined with her tone of voice turned people away from her from the very beginning and that effect has extended all the way to the present in 2024. I don't think it's entirely hopeless, but I get why it's hard for her to grow.

>>72968357
>All she really has to do is stop with the chicken voice shit and unironically she will be more liked but it could even be too late.
It's never too late, and she's really not alone on this. Towa is one who, although not as extreme as Kiara, could definitely gain something by just using her natural voice instead of the nasal shit. These people need to learn from Suisei.

>>72968357
>All she really has to do is stop with the chicken voice shit and unironically she will be more liked but it could even be too late. She had dialed it back considerably but she just needs to drop it entirely and move on. NOBODY like it.

Do we know if that's not actually her real voice?

Can't wait for this kino thread to reach 300 posts

>>72967639
The single loudest part of her persona is how much she obsesses over the numbers and getting attention, and that's not a good trait to be advertising. For some it's "imposter syndrome," for others it's being attention-starved. People do not like following someone who has an inner problem they need to resolve and come to terms with if that person relentlessly fails to grow past it. If she could get over that, sure, she could grow. How long has she been obsessing over the spotlight and numbers though...?

>>72968464
She has pl content go find it

>>72967648
>she talks like a smug asshole
That's just her being European

>>72968420
>>72968464
She does con appearances as her other gig and she sounds great. I really thought kfp were coping when saying she was putting on a voice but it’s unironically lovely.

>>72968616
>The single loudest part of her persona is how much she obsesses over the numbers and getting attention, and that's not a good trait to be advertising.
Works well for Suisei though.

>>72968422
I think her artist really failed by succeeding with her design. She's made to make you think of restaurants, but restaurants choose their colors to psychologically nudge customers to leave promptly instead of lingering.

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/blog/1884/interior-color-choices-and-your-restaurants-message.html
>Warm colors are bright, exciting, and visually stimulating for guests. Because these colors are so bright, they can become overwhelming after a long period. Warm colors help increase your turnover rate and are ideal for high-volume establishments like fast-casual eateries, buffets, or fast food restaurants.

>>72968682
You don’t watch Suisei

>>72967390
But....why? Like she tries hard. She tries more than other and even fucking Ina has more subs, and Ina is like just there. People will say teh chicken voice but i dont think thats it, they will say she is annoying but frankly shes not, i think shes fun. Maybe if she did a little of GFE but she probably doesnt wanna do that and is not like any of EN really do gfe.

Are you guys really at the point where you have to dig up old things to make orange threads about

>>72968682
Suisei has other aspects people like. You can't just have a ton of negatives stacked. Kiara has that problem and some of them are even easily fixed which makes her really really really fucking unlikeable due to it just seeming like spiteful stubbornness. Why complain about having no growth if you're not gonna change the things that would fix it? She fucking pisses me off and the worst thing is I feel like I would otherwise like her.

Her fans can be some of the biggest asshole enablers too, their worst trait by far. But all fans are like that I guess, it's just apparent when the oshi is question is being negatively affected by it.

>>72968744
Are you going to try and argue that Suisei doesn't shill her shit at any chance she gets? You going to try and act like you can't find plenty of hits on the good ol' 'Suishill' in the archive? >>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=Suishill
She's fucking obsessed right now with trying to get a dumb dance to go viral on TikTok.

>>72968813
>People will say teh chicken voice but i dont think thats it
>they will say she is annoying but frankly shes not
nta but people are telling what they don’t like and you don’t want to believe them. this kind of thinking is what keeps her where she’s at

>>72968813
If everyone is telling you it's at least partially because of her loud obnoxious ass chicken voice why are you just waving it away? Why are KFP fucking like this?

>>72968813
>Like she tries hard.
Art and entertainment have fuck all to do with effort. Gura's debut was her saying "a" ffs.

People have already given a good list of why she's not as popular:

>chicken voice
>obsesses over numbers
>destroys collabs for other holofans, via her voice, attention-seeking behavior or yuribaiting
>complains all the time. Sometimes complaining is good and healthy, but constantly is not something people will watch for entertainment
>constant doomposting. Why invest time in someone who might quit?

Kiara is simply her own worst enemy

>>72967213
Didn't Calli straight up stop streaming before she reached her goal once?

>>72968889
Celebrating milestones and promoting herself is not “the single loudest part of her persona”. Your brain is rotted by numbers that you’re projecting your own obsession onto her

>>72968962
It took like 3 streams I think?

>>72968682
It's certainly one of her charm points but that's not her "loudest" trait in my opinion. At any rate people find it funny when she slaps her bluray announcement on her face during an outfit reveal so it's working in her favor.

Well, you may have a point -lately- since she's been celebrating every single milestone from her new single recently, but to be fair she's never had a single be so explosive in popularity before so her being super happy about it and trying to capitalize as much on it as possible makes sense.

>>72968813
Hard work can only get you so far if you don't make things people actually like.

>>72968722
I don't think orange and purple go together at all, so maybe there's some truth to this.

>>72968813
>they will say she is annoying but frankly shes not
Frankly, she is.

>>72969057
Purple? She's orange and blue

>>72967213
Mint is gonna save her, tho she's gonna mog her on /#/ at the same time

>>72967213
I know it's a bait thread, but why the fuck do the girls even do these sub endurance streams on youtube? The sites live stream browsing is fucking awful. Nobody new is going to discover your channel through a karaoke stream.

I just wanted to stop by to say that you people are absolutely insane. I mean clinically insane.

This is a blatant Nijidrama deflection thread lmao

>>72969123
I meant the eyes.

>>72969132
But they do. That or it motivates your existing fans to spend the whole stream creating new accounts to subscribe with.

>>72969100
She is the absolute worst during collabs. This is when her self-esteem issues kick it into high gear and she is now "competing" with everyone else, so she ends up somehow trying to make the conversation about her. Anyone that ISN'T a fan of Kiara is therefore far less likely to become a fan of Kiara, because from a outsider perspective, she comes across as narcissistic and annoying for drowning out everyone else's oshi.

She also just seems naturally controlling as a personality. During her easter event, there were multiple situations where the other girls had a good joke going, but Kiara would shut it down early because she was focused on keeping things "on track." I don't think she does herself any favors during collabs.

>>72969148
Seems like a fairly calm thread to me. No gratuitous insults even if you don't agree with the opinions being expressed.

Orange woman bad, electric boogaloo
It goes in the option field.

>>72969199
How do you even look for live streams on youtube? My front page doesn't have anything for it.

>>72969011
Nigga I couldn’t give a shit about numbers, all I did was point out that Suisei shills herself whenever possible, and is currently obsessed with trying to go viral. Trying to promote yourself is not a negative trait.

>>72969317
Use Holodex like a normal person.

>>72969319
I do have to wonder why she never went so hard on shilling MGO, her promotion for that was nowhere near as Hoshillmachi-esque as I expected.

>>72969317
picrel

>>72967450
Honestly I never thought her voice was as bad as Ami’s fake voice which I don’t seem to ever hear be complain about.
She is too loud and has other issues but her voice isn’t one for me. Overall I think she ended up being the best myth.

>>72967213
I thought there was Kiara niji interaction drama you guys could talk about, are you guys so desperate for some Kiara scraps that you're bringing up some 7 month old endurance stream one where she achieved the goal, by the way, and 10k subs for 6 hours isn't even the longest it took in hololive either to doompost and attempt to hyper analyze and make about shit other than the endurance stream? It would've been easier at this point to just create another bog standard "how do we save her?" or "what went wrong" thread instead of doing whatever the fuck this is. Also, the "after 6 months she only has a 100k more" doesn't work since every single EN and a decent chunk of the JPs have sub growth that dropped off a cliff, so no reason to single out Kiara for having slow sub growth. Anyways, have fun I guess.

>>72969367
>Had to scroll down past the sub list
Huh, somehow I never bothered to try that.

>>72968956
>Art and entertainment have fuck all to do with effort.
this

>>72969574
Yeah YouTube UI is garbage

>>72968813
>people will say their opinion, but frankly I have a different opinion, I think something different to what they think

>>72967213
I would watch her more often but i cant get over her voice

>>72969453
It's just what happens if there's currently no Kiara bait thread in the catalog, anon. If you don't care about anons making up reasons to complain and argue about her, then just leave.

>>72967213
Sure you get a good starter kit when you debut at hololive, but you are not an exception to the rules of supply&demand.
Streamers don't just fuck off and travel the world for months then come back complaining that subscriber count isn't going up

Even Calli has audacity to come back after fucking around for years and hold a speech how awesome her fans are...bit late now, those who left have no reason to come back anyway

>>72968813
she has 1.5 million subs I'm sure you could find somebody out there who maybe has it a teensy tiny bit worse than her

I just wish she stopped complaining all the time.

>>72969823
Yeah, but since that Endurance stream she only gained an extra 100k subs.

>>72969630
Holy shit, scrolling through it is fucking awful. I stand by what I said before, no fucking way are new people gonna sub to a channel purely from finding a livestream.

>>72969894
Meant for >>72969645

>>72969234
She feels she has to keep things in track and fulfill obligations. When someone else is dropping the ball she tries to work harder to cover for it but lacks the talent and charisma.
This is one reason takamori failed so hard. It was meant to be tsundere as a joke (haha the immortal phoenix loves death but can never stay dead) but many fans were too dumb and blamed kiara for harassing Mori. Mori wasn’t very interested to begin with so she started phoning in the tsundere act more which led to Kiara trying harder to carry the gimmick which lead to more backlash and Mori checking out more in a vicious cycle.
When Ame checked out of being gen leader Kiara tried to step up to wrangle the others but lacked the charisma to really succeed.

>>72969886
Of all things to doompost about, you choose "she only gained 100k subs!", that's pretty average when you compare it to how slow sub growth has got in general for EN. No need to single Kiara out for it like it only affects her.

>>72968813
>Popular members need 2hrs marathons to get ~3k subs.
>Weak member attempts a 10k marathon
>It goes as expected

Almost Every single hololive member is trying hard.
And almost everyone is getting their effort rewarded.
Kiara should be less popular than she is, but her effort kept her up where she is now. But neither you nor her is satisfied with the amount of that reward, and that's not a good look on neither your nor her character.
The negative memes like "ME ME ME" don't come from nowhere. People usually notice these things from a mile away and prefer to watch less moody things. Like look at her shitty negative reaction to the pekomama mention, not even an inoffensive platitude.

But still, the voice is a bigger filter factor. The day Kiara drops her character voice she'll have a great year.

>>72969132
We have shorts/Vertical streaming now.

>>72967213
Make the next bait thread about how she can't read analog clocks please these are getting formulaic and boring

>>72970079
There already is a bait thread seething about that, anon >>72963577. But I do agree that these threads are getting repetitive, especially since OP is outright lying and also attributing problems that affected the whole branch to only something Kiara is facing.

>>72969979
Did Kiara really have a negative reaction to Pekomama?

>>72970227
NTA but from what I got after checking the streamKFP posted timestamps she seemed happy that Pekomama mentioned her. Somebody in chat did ask for a mamatori model and Kiara wasn't sure what Pekora did to get a model for Pekomama. If he isn't talking about either of those, then I genuinely have no idea what he's talking about since I can't find anything in the archives either other than anons saying that Pekomama mentioned Kiara. So I don't think she had a negative reaction.

>>72969979
Compare Kiara with Aki.

Aki has low numbers too, but Aki just got one push from overseas fans, and this was enough for her to feel cared about. Today, Aki seems completely at peace with being the least subbed JP member and just seems to do what she enjoys doing. It seems to be working, too. Her viewership numbers have gone up drastically from what they were a year ago, because ever since then, she's just done the things she enjoys and hung out with people she vibes with. People like seeing someone who's having fun or passionate about something. For example, Ark RP is what kicked off an increase in her viewership and Ark is the game she's most passionate about.

Kiara by contrast is in a much better position and still not happy with what she's got. I honestly couldn't tell you what content Kiara is happiest making because it doesn't seem apparent from watching her. If I had to guess, she just likes talking to her own chat, but then she spends a lot of time complaining to them about her issues, and that kills the vibe. I couldn't even tell you what Kiara's favorite game is. Every time I check on her, she's focused so hard on chat that she's barely playing the game. She gives off the vibe that she doesn't even really enjoy playing games that much, and that probably hurts her too since a lot of the content these talents produce is around playing video games.

Where people discover Aki because she found her sweet spot of doing what she likes while viewers come to watch her for that positive energy, people are neglecting Kiara because the passion is so hard to spot.

>>72970227
A common occurrence here is that whenever someone says "these things aren't said for no reason about Kiara" is that they follow it up with an example that's completely made up, totally and utterly exaggerated and misinterpreted or literally a joke.

Did Kiara say something recently to make her schizos assblasted again?

>>72969367
The MGO marketing as a whole is really fucking weird. I assume it’s a conscious decision not to have her shill it as hard as she shills herself for some reason.

>>72970619
>I couldn't even tell you what Kiara's favorite game is
tunic

>>72970619
You've never watched either Aki or Kiara.
Your oshi is threadreading.

>>72970688
Actually no, she's been in a pretty good mood the last two weeks or so, probably because it isn't winter anymore and she seems to get seasonal depression if you care, there's nothing bad happening in her current membership stream, so no shitposting about that. But apparently she did quickly skim over/ignore her niji visit in Japan the other day ago, which did make some angry since they wanted some drama from it only for her to barely talk about it.

>>72970179
Fucking kek /vt/ is actually beyond parody at this point

>>72970688
that she's still happy enough to make schedules, collabs, and stream like she's still in 2020

>>72970723
Am I wrong?
Go back 6 months and compare Aki's viewership to everything Post-Ark RP server. A drastic increase, often having fun with the same group of people she met across both the Ark and GTA RP servers. She found a group she vibes with and she's benefited greatly from it.

I can't even begin to point in the right direction for Kiara because no I don't watch her, and that's because every time I pop in, she's either neglecting a game to talk to chat, or complaining about something to chat. I'm not the first person to point this out.

>>72968813
I don't watch Kiara a lot, but if I could give a pice of advice, is that she should learn to relax and take thing easy, because she sometimes come across as kind of a tryhard. Remember that the goal is to have fun: if you are getting trounced in a game you spent hours practicing, don't worry about losing and try some meme strat that will make the audience laugh either way, if the event you set up is having technical problems laugh it up and revel in the scuff.
Basically, enjoy the journey, instead of fixating on the destination.

>>72970227
No. She said it was probably expensive and she was not down to do something similar.

>>72970644
>utterly exaggerated
she said that pekomama "sometimes watching her streams" is not true
it's not an exaggeration to see that as a negative shitty thing to bring up.

If she knew how to entertain the viewers a bit more (like happily thanking Pekora for not forgetting about her) and stop keeping everything so boringly "real" she would be more popular.

>"why don't you watch kiara?"
>explains why I don't watch kiara
>"you're wrong because you don't watch kiara"
This is actually why kiara will never improve

>>72971030
>she's either neglecting a game to talk to chat, or complaining about something to chat
This endears her to KFP, just listening to her problems like they're her boyfriend. Should she try to strive away from that, and she did for like 2 days, she'd make KFP freak that they're not close enough anymore.

>>72971044
Cover lets them pay for extra new outfits if they want to right? I think I remember her talking about it after Okayu mentioned it herself, but I imagine that paying for an entirely new model would be more expensive. And while I don't doubt that Kiara has the money for it since she obviously does, I don't think she would go through with it since Mamatori is far rarer on streams than Pekomama is, and Kiara is already terrified of having Mamatori on stream due to potential yabs, so why pay like 20k for a model that will probably be used once or twice? Even if she would probably make that back in around a month.

>>72971030
Glad you admit that you watch neither of the girls you're talking about.
Boosts in viewership depending on whatever current arc or story is going on within the wider streaming culture have little to do with the actual streamer themselves and are more just about luck.
Every JP channel gets huge boosts whenever there's a multi-channel game trend going on, they simply happen incredibly less with EN, it has nothing to do with the specifics of whatever type of streamer Aki or Kiara is and their streaming mentalities.
Trying to use numbers to explain these things is like star reading.
> that's because every time I pop in, she's either neglecting a game to talk to chat, or complaining about something to chat.
You've never watched her, but you think these things because you read threads like this and take what they say literally.
>I'm not the first person to point this out.
Yeah, because others also did the same thing as you, that's not misinformation self-perpetuates

>>72967213
Useless thread, just create another "how do we save her?" thread instead of lying like this.

>>72969266
Nta but digging out a 6 month old stream to make a bait thread and then jerk off in a circle sounds pretty insane to me.

>>72970619
tbf Kiara, like Aki, is also in a better mental state now.
Those things I mentioned are just the remaining issues.
And her favorite game is Tunic, try to at least be a clip watcher.

>>72970619
>I couldn't even tell you what Kiara's favorite game is.
It's Tales. I haven't watched her in years and even I know that. She likes jrpgs. Try harder.

>>72971030
If I wanted to watch someone be good at videogames while barely talking I would go on twitch and watch some male fleshstreamer.

>>72968813
I honestly think she is a great streamer if she actually just tones down on her gossip-level talk and stop being scared of actually trying a game.
Like, she never tries to challenge herself on a game not because she hates it, but because she thinks that her audience will get bored with her failing over and over.
Also I know she really doesn't complain THAT much, but when she does, a lot of clips come out out non stop making it look like she just complains forever.
Her going on tangents is fine. Except she's playing a heavy story game. It's just plain annoying when that happens especially because you can see her not actually paying attention to the screen and she's more focused on what her audience is saying.

>>72970723
Nah, his oshi is /#/, if we banned those fucks maybe things would improve

>>72968813
Trying doesn't matter. What matters are the results. Kiara is just an unlikeable person.

>>72968813
She has personality traits that turn people off. It's as simple as that.

Take for example her bluntness. It may be seen as le based stacy vtuber by contrarian places like 4chan and her fanbase may not mind it. But it's the sort of shit you avoid or tune down in entertainment because it's easy to misconstrue as rude or confrontational by general audiences.

I think it's hilarious how people still accuse Kiara of being a numberfag despite her having barely numberfagged these past 2 years. All she admits doing is avoiding debuff games.
Meanwhile Mori resorts to coombait and clickbait thumbnails. Collabing with new members as early and often as possible while they're still new. Avoids overlapping Fauna, Gura and Mumei. Immediately jumps on FOTM shit. And turns every minor thing into an announcement stream. Then LITERALLY admits she's doing these things to numberfag when her chat asks her about it. And gets zero shit for it.
What gives?

>>72968813
>ESL
>misses some social cues in a manner that's just off-putting enough to be annoying
>Blunt and loud sometimes
None of those are bad on their own, but put together and then put as vtuber idol, consequences are not surprising

>>72972740
>All she admits doing is avoiding debuff games.
Kiara literally does the opposite. The fact that she completed multiple Fire Emblem games on stream is proof.

>>72967213
>Aia reactivating her PL account deflection thread
>Scarle unprivating her PL twitter deflection thread
>Petra PL account doomposting deflection thread
>Luca yab deflection thread
>Uki wants to be an idol (lmao) deflection(?) thread
>FWMC schizo exposed as a flip kindred deflection
>Amamiya's mod shitting on Suisei and Tsukino Mito deflection
Which one is it?

>>72972740
Kiaras a contradiction; she complains about her numbers and how insecure she is about her level of success constantly, then plays random JRPGs for 10 streams straight.

>>72967213
Kiara's not my favorite but an entire thread dedicated just to shittalking her abilities and how she perpetually lags behind her genmates seems mean-spirited. I'd rather you spend that energy hating on Mori.

>>72968813
She has no charisma or talent, and she has a bad personality (spiteful, petty, passive aggressive, insecure)

>>72973146
Mori has been actually getting better and more idol-y recently while Kiara remains good ol’ Kiara so idk

>>72973032
At least she now mogs Mori's JRPG streams.

>>72967213
If Kiara wasn't so desperate for attention maybe people would care but she reeks of desperation, and she hates her KFP core fanbase because they are small,pathetic and can't get shit done.

>>72973249

>>72972740
Kiara is a numberfag, just a dumb one (like Irys). At least Mori works for her numbers
There is the saying how you will be done for if you are half-retarded. If she decided to be retarded (a numberfag), she should always go full retarded

>>72973400
I don’t think you want to bring up IRyS here, anon,

>>72967213
To me Kiara's self centeredness is what filters me. I can tolerate her voice and I like her design but god damn is it grating for her to make everything about herself.
She never dropped the underground idol mentality of having to climb over other idols to stand out. Just look at Holotori, she dragged all these other girls in there so she could be center stage, I remember watching her first collab with Subaru and her pushing it so hard while Subaru was less than enthusiastic about it. Never liked her after that and I was eventually proven correct. She just comes off as fake and self centered and that's probably why she hasn't grown in #s at all

>>72973442
Why even bring up IRyS when she is a huge numberfag and not even a bad one. Kiara doesn't spam #short karaokes or plays FOTM games constantly like IRyS does to get views.

>>72973400
>At least Mori works for her numbers
What numbers? Kiara beat her median during several months in 2023 and will probably do it again kek.
Irys solo ccv utterly destroys Mori solo ccv.

>>72971354
Aki has seen a boost since the Ark RP regardless of if it's a collab or not. FFS go scroll back yourself. Used to average around 30k views each stream, now it's more like 80k.

>You've never watched her, but you think these things because you read threads like this and take what they say literally.

Motherfucker stop coping and go watch her AOE2 stream with Ellie4k. Spends 50 mins just talking and finishes 4 games (one hard-carried by her partner) within 5 hours.

Go watch Pizza Tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMxjhvXqnCg

TWO HOURS and the bitch couldn't make it past level 3. She then spends 3 hours talking. In 2 hours, Mori is on level 5 and beat a boss. Irys? Level 6. Amelia? Is about to enter level 5.

And when was the last time she finished a game, let alone continued one for multiple streams? Looks to be Super Mario RPG Remake 4 months ago. Otherwise, she endlessly hops from game-to-game, rarely commits to any and rarely ever provides any of them with a Part 2. Should add Super Mario RPG was extremely popular for Hololive, and Kiara does have a better track record for finishing popular games like Zelda and GTA. Even that rule isn't solid though because you can check her Elden Ring streams, see 6-7 hour segments, and surprise: half of the time is just Kiara talking.

THE BITCH CAN'T GAME.

But no, I'm dissing your oshi, so obviously the only logical explanation is I'm completely unfamiliar with her, I've never given her a fair shake and therefore all my criticisms are invalid, right? People wanna see someone actually play a game, play it well and actually commit enough to finishing it. Kiara does NONE of these, so we can't sit here making excuses for her and acting surprised when she doesn't get as many views.

Just because you can't handle someone criticizing her doesn't mean "all the critics never watched her." People give her a shot, and usually they pop in to see her half-assing a game while talking to chat, only to drop the game within a week to move on to the next game she couldn't give two shits about.

>>72973696
Wait people actually watch chuubas for the game? I have never considered the game anything more than background noise or just material for the chuuba to talk about

>>72973822
People are gonna watch for something, whether it be singing, gaming, chatting or dancing. Someone who half-asses any of those while claiming to do them is going to get less views.
And yes, people watch for games. Multiple talents have a game they pull in higher viewership for because they're more associated with that specific game.

Kiara really is a strange case, cause she is by far one of the most "idol" members of EN who actually has a good work ethic and cares about the culture, but on the other hand she's just too "real" I guess. Like one of the most common things people say about her is that she keeps it "real" by not holding back her opinions etc, and while that certainly gives her a charm I think it also turns off people as well. Not to mention that her chicken voice and Stacey personality are also hard for people to get used to. I do respect Kiara for what she does to keep EN together and everything, so it is sad that she's the runt of Myth still especially when Ina/Ame/Gura don't put in nearly as much effort as her.

>>72973696
>And when was the last time she finished a game
She literally finished like 4 different frog games. Do those not count? She finished Super Mario Odyssey. She's working on finishing Yakuza. Some people don't even stream for 3 hours so having 4 hours of games and 3 hours of chatting afterwords is just extra. You obviously just want to get upset to get upset.

>>72973442
>>72973543
>>72973580
It was in the line that both Kiara and Irys are numberfags. They are just dumb so some of their decisions didn't make sense when it comes to numberfagging (i.e: streaming Splatoon, long JRPG series, etc.). Not talking about Irys's numbers, just that both of them are numberfags - just too dumb (or lazy?) to play the game properly (and Irys was another example of a dumb EN numberfag pop'd in my mind at that point). That was in response to anon saying that Kiara isn't a numberfag.
Mori is actually working towards making her numbers better. Her attempts might or might not be fruitful, but she is trying and changing instead of just remaining a numberfag and hope for better numbers w/o doing anything much. Hard to complain about that

>>72973696
Daily reminder Mori had and onstream melty when Kiara destroyed her in Shadow verse.

>>72973696
>People wanna see someone actually play a game, play it well and actually commit enough to finishing it.
Explain why Mumei is so popular then?

>>72973580
We all fucking know Calli hates doing the big tourneys, ofc her numbers for those are going to be shit. She still does them to be part of the team but it's always clear she's not having fun and it's painful to watch those so everyone goes and watches the other girls that are having fun.

Can KFP answer me if Kiara even likes Pekora anymore, cause it seems like the only times she's openly expressed likeness over her was when they collab'd in Minecraft or when Kiara watched Pekora's live one time which were both years ago. Seems like she never got over the fact that PekoMoon was a thing, instead of PekoKiara

>>72973949
>People wanna see someone actually play a game, play it well and actually commit enough to finishing it.
Nah, but games give them content to talk about. Kiara just yaps about boring shit. Mumei I think is so autistic it's entertaining

>>72973900
>She literally finished like 4 different frog games. Do those not count?
The games that could be beaten in a singular stream, so that it's nearly impossible for her to fail to finish it?
>She's working on finishing Yakuza.
Oh, you mean the game she last played in February?
Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think this lack of commitment isn't hurting her viewership. If I wanna see a new game and I have a choice between Kiara seeing 3 levels of Pizza Tower before giving up and chatting for another 4, or Mori playing for 5 hours and beating half the game, then why would I pick Kiara? Elden Ring, same thing: I know she's gonna drop it or take forever to beat it, so why not watch someone else?

>>72973876
My point is the game doesn't really matter. The chuuba could be terrible at it that's still not why im watching. I have literally never watched a chuuba because i was like "damn i wanna see her beat Sekiro", like who cares, im there for her to talk and be cute.

>>72974283
Kiara mentioned Pekora's April fools stream in her last stream

>>72973949
Mumei has cute girl autism appeal. that's pretty much it. Kiara doesn't really hit any niche like that aside from just coming across as a normie girl

>>72974283
She still loves her, she just doesn't talk about it because chat starts collab begging and she can't even talk to her in cover hq without dropping her spaghetti. The whole pekomoon rivalry was just a retard /here/ rrat people took way to serious. like everything you see on the catalog, including this thread.

>>72974352
And what exactly did she say about it, cause just her mentioning it is no different that say if Koyori mentioned it on her news stream from it being a big event

>>72974331
You're acting like she didn't fly to America to do a sponsorship thing and then Japan for Holofes. Great ignoring context and how busy everyone was. You complain when it takes a her awhile to beat long games even when she does beat them and then says it doesn't count when she beats short games.

>>72973949
She's actually talented and entertaining?

>>72967648
Nailed it

>>72974331
I think you vastly overestimate the importance of a Holos gaming ability being a factor in their popularity. The average fan is way more shallow then you give them credit for.

>>72974345
It does. It may not matter to you, but it absolutely does for some, and that's part of why her viewership is lower.
Discussions about Kiara's viewership always highlight multiple problems with her style such as this one, and then dismissive fans like yourself say "oh it doesn't matter." It does. She doesn't even necessarily have to get good at games, but holy shit, commit to them instead of the constant switching.

Either she sticks to her style she likes and stops bitching and moaning about numbers, or she recognizes the reasons people are turning her channel off and changes that. PICK ONE. She cannot have both.

The only thing I see people (KFP) praise Kiara for is that she is open about her feelings and what's going on. I think that distills the illusion of vtubers alot, and its not like she does GFE or anything which would probably help her more

>>72974514
When was the last time Kiara moaned about her numbers?

>>72973822
I'm one of those people who will watch a stream if I like the game. I never tune into chatting streams unless it's a collab zatsudan. I actually don't know why you'd watch someone talk about their day unless you were fanatically in love with them genuinely. I think game choice (and game commitment) are very big deals for viewership. Streaming content is largely involved with video games, so playing interesting games that aren't throwaway frog games might help people be more interested in a specific streamer.

I can plainly say that Kiara's taste in video games is pretty bad, and I'm not sure if she's even much of a Tales fan considering she still hasn't played Tales of Symphonia on stream yet.

>>72974550
don't want gfe, I want her feelings. I'm parasocial, I don't have a cuck feetish

>>72974550
I see people praise Kiara for tons of other things all the time. You definitely are just seeing what you want to see.

>>72974586
She played it as a kid, focused on new games instead of the remake

>>72974586
>I actually don't know why you'd watch someone talk about their day unless you were fanatically in love with them genuinely.
I like hearing a womens voice. I dont care about the game. This is genuinely surprising to me, i honestly treat the game as background noise.

>>72973941
>Mori numberfagging = :)
>Other people numberfaggimg = :(
Great argument.
You can tell this thread is infested by deadbeats because of the "she's improved" posts. Classic deadbeat astroturfing.

>>72967761
It's that weird mutt morality. I noticed it when i worked in the US, the whole nation is made up of autists. You have to watch every word you say. I was there to help build up a production line and told management during a meeting the way they are doing the processing line was very inefficient and would result in slower production and they pulled me aside and cried around about how I can't say it like that and should have talked to them alone and shit like that. Later on they called me rude because I directly told them their loading gates are too low for the forklift. The american way of having to talk around problems instead of adressing them directly is honestly insane.

>>72974727
You are hurting people's feelings, how is that surprising. You are being rude even right now.

>>72974590
That's fine, but its not what most people want. She's basically giving a friendzone experience at that point then lol, just a female friend who comes to talk to you about stuff but you will never have a chance to go anywhere with.

>>72967213
She is a respectable person. She has definitely come to appreciate what she has and can do and the people who like her better than in the beginning, but it still seems she forgets now and then. Doesn't really matter though, this is a nothingburger at the end of the day and she's still sitting on enough success for three lifetimes even if some of the other girls are sitting on five.

>>72974598
Well it doesn't exactly help that most of what gets clipped from her is "Kiara's opinion on this" etc, that even she pointed out not liking because it gives that image of her to non-KFP

>>72974909
clipwatchers shouldn't have opinions on anyone if they aren't capable of even watching streams.

>>72974887
But its still something that bothers her, she doesn't like being the bottom in terms of numbers and popularity because it makes her feel inadequate and that she's doing something wrong (literally what she herself said at one point).

>>72974719
>Numberfagging and works for numbers = :)
>Numberfagging and doesn't do anything = :(
FTFY

>>72974989
You can have whatever opinion you want on clipwatchers, but fact of the matter is that nothing else really gets clipped from her and the most clipped members (FuwaMoco/Pekora/Miko/etc) are the most popular ones. Hell even Gura clippers have to dig in the archives, yet they still get alot of views

I wish Youtube would hide sub numbers like they did for dislikes. After certain threshold, whats the point anyways? Views and ccv are more important

How exactly is Kiara is numerfag? She doesn't play popular games much, she does superchat readings, she doesn't collab much. It seems like she's everything but a numberfag

>>72967213
Kiara, along with pretty much everything else noted in this thread, lacks integrity. She will bend over backwards for any vtuber just to show the world that she is best friends with them.
We just saw in the last week or so that she will sell her soul to ANYONE as long as they have an internet presence.
She has proven to leak information over and over again. Give away private details on others and how hololive is ran. If she was my employee, she would be on the shortest leash possible and looking for a chance to replace her. All because of the attention of being a KNOWER OF THINGS.

I also have to reiterate that she's just abrasive, rude and annoying as fuck.

>>72974665
>I like hearing a womens voice.
I think this is fair. I'm probably being disingenuous anyways since I don't like a lot of topics that are brought up during chatting portions of streams. I like seeing girls play a game for the first time and seeing their own take on it and how they react the story bits, It's fun for myself and I think it's fun for a lot of other viewers as well.

>>72974808
It's absolutely beyond me to understand how the truth can hurt someones feelings. If you are fat and I call you fat, how is that rude? You know you are fat why are you suprised people call you that? It's why america birthed that whole body positivity movement shit. If a guy lost a leg he is a cripple. It does not help him to call him normal because he isn't, he needs advanced medical help like a prothesis or a wheelchair, not some feel good mumbo jumbo. Telling him he is fine the way he is won't suddelny make him able bodied.

>>72975212
It's so easy to spot a threadreader.

>>72975335
prove it

>>72975391
Nta but you made the claim. That's on you

I really really want to have sex with Kiara and irl too.
And then cuddle after and kiss her forehead.

>>72975335
I have indeed skimmed this thread

>>72975212
What valuable information has Kiara leaked anon?

>>72975445
same desu
In general too

>>72975499
idk she's not fired yet like rushia or mel so you tell me

>>72975571
so nothing, thanks

>>72975499
oh i don't know, upcoming events for her gen, branch and others. high end with her managers, her own nudes, you name it, she proudly shared it

>>72975499
They can't. They think Kiara talking about game permissions is "leaking" shit despite tons of other Hololive members talking about the same exact thing.

>>72975630
That's a lot of words to say nothing

>>72975499
she leaked my genetic information from inbetween her legs

>>72975630
OMG SHE LEAKED THAT SHES GOING TO BE AT HOLOFES. I WOULD'VE NEVER KNOWN.

>>72975729
valuable, anon

>>72975028
I can't differentiate real deadbeats from trolls posting bait.

>>72973580
>imaginehavingtochangethecolorsbecausejanibannedhash_083412.png

>>72973696
Kiara has unironically finished more games than anyone in the rest of EN.
You are completely and utterly delusion, you live in an alternate reality.
And this isn't even mentioning the fact that long game series are actually worse for viewership when the game isn't a multiplayer game, so you're wrong on multiple levels.

>>72973900
NTA but all of those are piss easy

>>72968813
Dude, you can't deny it, the chicken voice is a major reason people don't subscribe to her. Ina has more subscribers because she is pleasant to listen to in the background. There are also plenty other reasons why Kiara has the least subs in Myth, like how she kept fucking associating herself with the Niji vermins.

>>72975934
Okay and FOTM Chillia's Art games aren't? It's cope to say finishing certain games count and others don't.

>>72968813
The permanent 50k gap between her and Ina will never not be be funny. And Ina, as you noted, is just fucking there.

>>72968813
It's definitely her personality.
She's a mixture of rude, narcissistic, enviousand histrionic. She's ever whiny. She constantly breaks the 4th wall, like way too much. She also time and time again indirectly throws shade at others to make herself seem good in comparison. Plus she has some really really bad taste in other people, just look at Elira, Enna, Millie, Veibae, Ophelia.
It all comes together to create a personality that's just not for me.

/hlgg/ has been really good all day. Suspicious.

>>72976066
>Didn't name mori.

This thread convinced me 90% of /vt/ are just retarded threadreading monkeys. Literally worth even less than clipwatchers.

>>72976106
Kiara anti's didn't get their gifted membership this month so they can't hatewatch her stream and have to come here instead to circlejerk their own timelooped narratives.

>>72975963
Yeah I mean she was literally with Enna last week

>>72976151
>Man people really disagree with me
>could there be some truth to the complaints about her voice and personality?
>nah everyone is wrong

>>72968813
GFE doesn't help you grow, it just allows you to amalgamate a dedicated group of schizos and lonely men to throw money at you.
Doing what Suisei and Mori have done helps you grow.

>>72970227
Imagine Kiara the size queen being upset that Pekomama namedropped her as one of the only Holo members she's heard of. Which is funny because she became aware of her within seconds of learning about Pekora in that stream years ago and Kiara and Pekora forgot about each other a long time ago.

>>72976106
It's because he gets (you)'s here, so he doesn't have to spam his shit in the general. Honestly worth the trade, catalogfags don't watch streams anyways.

>>72975278
this is called Asperger's anon.

>>72976249
>>72976330

>>72976300
Yeah Mori is really doing amazing these days, so many viewers. Both her streams and her 3d lives are super popular.

>>72976249
>Everyone
Removing thread ip count was a mistake. Kiara bait threads used to average 15+ posts per ip because 1 fag is OBSESSED.

>>72976440
It's completely normal in northern europe. And even the whiniest spaniard is not even close to NA snowflakes. Fuck, I worked on setting up a car factory with mexicans and they are 100% more normal than u.s.americans and canadians.

>>72973580
Cool filename. Would be unfortunate if the meido banned the hash again.

>>72976494
If THATS the only factor you look at when it comes to a Holo's success then I don't know what to tell you.
Besides her 3d live did more than ok, I'm not sure what you're point was there.

>>72976440

>>72967213
Reminder she's jealous of the twins for not getting any blowback for speaking Japanese during streams like she did

>>72976511
Yes anon, no one feels this way about Kiara. Which is why she's so popular. Because no one out there prefers the other girls.
I'm not even trying to stop you from enjoying her, hell I have a small 3view oshi. I'm just questioning why you are so unable to accept that there are reasons for her low viewership.

>>72976300
Mori gets the second lowest solo ccv in EN after shiori. Collabs and announcement bait is the only reason she's not doing worse.

>>72976629
Anon even Luna had more viewers. Not making it to even 50k with your concert for a 2m+ big time music holo.. that just isn't good, no way around it really.

>>72976643
Boy, you missed the fucking melty when fuwamoco did their first jp only stream and them damage controlling every time they speak Japanese ever since?
If anything it was way worse than what Kiara got.

>>72976653
>>72976629

>>72976750
>If anything it was way worse than what Kiara got.
Not at all.

>>72976643
Time stamp?

It's funny how kfp vs sapling bait posts stopped after fauna put that we love wawa in her chat and kfp vs brats stopped because kiara openly praised bae on stream, so now we are back to kfp vs deadbeat bait.

People just want a girl with a pleasant voice, that's mostly inoffensive, and knows her place within Hololive aka shes able to form genuine non forced friendships. How did IRyS 1.0 aka the ugliest model in the history of Hololive still manage to build a loyal fanbase for 1.5 years before getting fixed? How did she survive when many speculated that she would be dead on arrival with such a disadvantage?

>Her voice doesn't grate the ears, therefore it makes for good background noise regardless of what shes doing

Unlike Kiara

>She knows to word things a way that doesn't offend people. Even when faced with malicious trolls she can be diplomatic and professional when handling them. Never has any meltdowns

Unlike Kiara

>Her friendships feel more organic and have nothing to do with a forced Genmate dynamic or collab begging.

Unlike Kiara .Takamori died because Kiara failed to navigate Moris autism and become real friends with her until it was too late. Even recently Mori said her closest bonds in EN are Bae, IRyS, and Kronii. There's something fundamentally wrong with you and your ability to bond with people, if when your ship partner is asked who they treasure the most you aren't on the list.

>>72976793
the voices in his head

>>72976750
FWMC didn't get shit on for reading superchats after a group collab on only their channel despite Kiara getting fucking relentlessly shit on for doing the same thing. It's great people are nicer now.

>>72976821
>>72976834
Guess we are switching to kfp vs irystocrats because the deadbeats didn't bite.

>>72976738
Hey if you want to numberfag, I can play that game too. Considering she's already passed the amount of views Luna had for her 3d live in less than 24 hours, I think she's doing pretty alright.

>>72976750
>>72976865
To be fair; it's pretty difficult to compare reactions to debut Myth to Advent; with the huge amount of scrutiny Myth were under

>>72976793
Not him but that one is actually true, too lazy to find it myself but she did mention that she got blowback over how much she self-translated while noticing that other new ENs don't get that now.

>>72976300
Mori's fucking 3D concert did worse than kobo's latest 3D. By almost half. Mori's supposed to be THE music focussed EN.
Let that sink in deadbeat.

Did anyone notice this thread was made 15 minutes after the one making fun of Enna's low numbers?

>Kobo
The fuck is that supposed to prove?

>>72976936
Most people have an understanding now that they didn't in 2020, that plus way less new people who don't in the audience means less people ask/complain

>>72976936
She also said that she was happy that the other girls didn't receive the same backlash she did. Its kind of funny that, that anon would leave that little detail out.

>>72976958
You're pitting Mori vs Kobo, are you deadass kek

>>72976834
Takamori was always cringe. You could tell Calli hated the pairing and it made her uncomfortable whenever it was brought up.

Another thing that's very unpleasant about Kiara. She literally has 2 superfans IN THE COMPANY and shes still not happy. Nerissa and Kobo are more than happy to be her little lackeys, but here's the thing about Kiara. Unless the attention is coming from someone she perceives as "high value" then at the end of the day she really isn't content. Ollie even said Kiara was her oshi. Did Kiara start hanging out with Ollie more? Nope. Because Ollie is a shitter and Kiara is too busy staring longingly at Pekora, Mori, and whoever else from a distance. She doesn't value what she has at all.

>>72977090
You want me to list every EN whose last 3d concert mogged Mori's? I just named only kobo because i knew it would enrage deadbeats the most because she's from the "irrelevant" branch. Saves me a lot of time contradicting your bullshit claim that her 3d concert did well or that she's doing better than the rest of EN.

>>72975009
Understandable. It's true, she is doing something "wrong" (weirdo, chicken voice, mememe) if her goal is to appeal to the whole wide world that is. Her challenge going forward will have to be reflecting deeply on that, just how ridiculous it is. Either she must put on a mask and change, or she must be happy sticking with the saviorfag kfpee who actually like her for the niche acquired taste she is.

I think she's getting there since she's grateful to her fans often, but she seems to still give off the vibe that the fans who saved her aren't enough, that they're stepping stones to her to gain attention something or someone beyond. Hopefully that stops as she inches towards hagdom.

>>72976049
I want support Kiara because she's a hard worker, but if I'm keeping a stream open, I'm muting the tab.

I mean, i do that for most members when I don't care what they're doing/playing, but I don't mind Ina as white noise

>>72977229
>Did Kiara start hanging out with Ollie more? Nope
Do you watch any streams. She literally invited Ollie to her collabs and they talked after. Do you want Kiara to fly to Indonesia again to hang out with Ollie or did that not count?

>>72977229
>Mori
>High value in 2024
All she has left is views on her old music.

>>72967213
NijIEN is fucking dying and you are making a bait thread about a vtuber with 1.5 million subs

>>72977229
Kiara literally streamed with like two different 3views because they liked HelloProject! and was content. You are absolutely delusional.

>>72977363
Listen bud. If your music is being aired on episodes of One Piece every week to hundreds of thousands of Japanese TVs, you are a big deal. This isn't up for debate. It's an objective fact that Mori is blowing up and doing big things. Shes easily one of Covers most valuable talents atm.

>>72977363
>In TWO anime EDs
Yes

>>72968813
>and even fucking Ina has more subs, and Ina is like just there
Inawinslol

>>72975134
The child in her still chasing the unattainable idol dream is the numberfag. The real day to day Kiara just wants someone to be a wall she can spout her words and tangents at.

>>72977468
Bae has more subs than Fauna. Absolutely no one cares about subs besides shitposters.

>>72977363
Very few Holo members have gotten to sing OP or ED songs, even if you include rms. Mori got to do it for big ones, even

>>72976750
If you mean sisters shitposting in the catalog and a few insecure Ruffians in /baubau/ sure. But FWMC never got shit on during a live stream from a superchat like what happened to Kiara.

>>72977447
>Blowing up is having the lowest ccv in your career
>It's still slowly dropping despite everyone else in EN being more or less stable
More like, even the most popular anime can't fucking save her.

>>72977439
Mostly because they talked positively about her.
Kiara will like anyone who praises her and talks about her positively. See Veibae and fucking Enna.

>>72977513
This argument would work like very well if Ina wasn't generally more popular. Not even passive aggressivity, she just has more viewers.

>>72977573
She only collab with people that actively despises her?

>>72977513
And Bae gets more official works and sponsorships than Fauna so people clearly care.

>>72977653
>Should she

>>72977653
Don't try to apply logic to schizos.

>>72976049
It's morbidly tragic comparing Kiara's numbers obsession with Ina's casual disinterest in sub milestones(she accidentally hit 1 million during a chatting stream)

>>72977555
>CCV is the only metric
I didn't know this board was about vstreamers

>>72977229
Terrible braindead take, she's sung praises for Ollie plenty and even cheered her up on her anniversary (that had me crying ngl). And she runs away from Pekora

>>72977229
>She literally has 2 superfans
She also has 2 HATS, it's crazy.

>>72975630
>upcoming events
Bless her. Honestly the other girls who would rather suck the corpo boot than be transparent with their fans are the ones at fault.
>her nudes
Her own choice.

>>72977653
she should do youtube debates like that leftie midget

>>72977337
>Do you watch any streams.
You scrolled through this thread, you know the answer to that question anon.

>>72977315
Fyi if you mute the tab you may as well have it closed when it comes to support. Youtube knows

>>72977653
No but maybe she shouldn't want to collab / hang out with any garbage under the sun just because they praise her.
I repeat, see Veibae and the niji snakes. There's just no excusing that.

>>72977112
I'm 99% sure takamori was forced onto them by omegalul just because they were both in nihon at the time.
>>72977315
Unlike the chicken, Ina's volume levels are manageable, even if she's screaming for her dear life, unlike the AUTISTISCHES KREICHEN of orange woman.

>>72977881
If you use firefox you can mute the tab and youtube won't know. Not that it helps, since youtube doesn't count views in inactive tabs anyways. Or in embedded links (holodex). Or with adblockers....or with VPN....

Tenchou's perseverance and determination are what I like about her. Couple those features with being an idolfag and she makes a great presence in the EN branch.

>>72977555
Why would she need any saving when she has the most views in EN? Not only in total but monthly as well. CCV is completely worthless outside of /#/ horseracing

I can't believe you guys are going to hit bump limit for this of all threads

>>72977966
I cannot believe I have to post in a catalogue thread to ask this but surely the Discord April fools video proved the embedded links one false, right?

>>72978057
Okay, and Kiara has the third most views in EN behind Gura and Mori except this whole thread is shitting on her too for her "low" numbers.

>>72978020
I love how she managed to stay in schizo brains for 4(!) years. I got 2 promotions in that timeframe and am about to buy my first house. Meanwhile this guy is still seething about Kiara.

>>72977701
Bae is actively chasing these opportunities.

Fauna is content with her niche. She doesn't strike me as someone particularly ambitious.

There's some opportunities that are open for anyone that wants to pursue them. Not everyone does, maybe because it's not their thing or they want to do something else or they're content with the status quo.

>>72967213
Everyone has a level cap, getting sad because others have a higher level cap is retarded.

>>72977701
Bae gets less money, less views, less merch sales and funnily enough less concert invites. Imagine that. Dauna can't dance or sing and has no real interest in it and people still invite her because she is just more likable

>>72978106
Video views and live viewers don't get counted the same way.

>>72978114
Yeah and 10 times 100 is more than 1 times 900
Your point? Amassing raw views by streaming a ton doesn't say anything. You could stream to very few people but do so 24/7 to farm a lot of views.
Doesn't make you popular.

Aub growth for all of en is basicaly dead. This is like saying all of council is unpopular because they are still not at 1 mil. I don't see the point of this thread

>>72978218
Hi phone poster. Stop ban evading.

>>72978218
dauna didn't even invite herself to a 3d birthday live

>>72975278
This reeks of French egoism, anon. You a frenchie?

>>72978312
Refute a single point. Oh wait, you can't. You come into a thread to shit on kiara but complain and cry for meido as soon as someone points out that bae is a bigger failure

I don't understand this thread. Kiara isn't even the runt of en in any metric anymore

>>72978586
rrat schizo anti bait

>>72978586
>anymore
She never was.

>>72978418
Never mentioned mods, Kiara, or Bae. Just noticed that you were clearly phone posting and guessed you were ban evading. Looks like I was right. Be less obvious next time and reread your messages before you send them. And try to text when you aren't seething, that tends to expose lower IQ folks like yourself of phone posting.

>>72978586
She is in ccv if you ignore her cheating it by having a huge collab on her channel
Next month she'll be bottom again

>>72978218
>Less views
incorrect, Bae has long surpassed Fauna in total channel views and continues to get more views than her on a daily basis
>Less money
incorrect, more sponsorships = more money

>>72978418
Way to confess to ban evading without saying it

Nothing in life is more blackpilling than knowing that effort amounts to fuck all.
Talents, unique skill-sets, doesn't matter, it comes down to luck, or in the west's case, how memeable you are, its why people like Gura and Ame still prosper as much as they do, but someone like Kiara languishes, granted I use languish in the loosest send of the word, shes a million+ vtuber, makes good money etc, but all of her hard work doesn't amount to anything, people don't look at it, it doesnt get the views it deserves.
If Kiara was smart she'd realize this and just do the bare minimum, there's no point in trying hard once you're established, moreso on HoloEN.

>>72978630
>never was
???
So who had less subs in EN before Council?

>>72978756
in EN?
Why would I just care about EN. All of Myth had more subs than tons of JP Holo members.

>>72978657
Bae and shiori have had lower ccv that her every other month even without collabs. Shiori always loses when overlapping kiara and i don't think you realize how bad baes ccv has gotten. She lost to mori during the april fools collab and struggles to get over 4k without any raids

>>72978728
I disagree. Effort can have a big impact. It's not enough by itself, but it still had a huge impact.
See Koyori who fought tooth and nails to get to where she is while Laplus cruised there half asleep due to her debut and cunny buff.

>>72978728
>it comes down to luck
Kiara has no talent and a bad personality, that's not luck

>>72978657
Kiara has never had less ccv than shiori after Shiori's debut buff faded and regularly beats Mori's monthly median ccv.

>>72978728
no.... I want the kiara that streams frequently and goes out of her way to invest in music project. I don't want her to become more like other girls that I don't care for that have 2 original songs after 3 years and 3 streams a week or less

>>72967648
This is true.

>Kiara, don't look!!!

>>72978670
Bae only has total channel views because of her music. Individualy they don't get much since even her music career flopped but she has a lot of songs. Also most of baes vods can't even get 40k views.

Her sponsorships are very cheep and shared with other holos most of the time

>>72978798
So you're too retarded to read the posts you reply to?

>Kiara isn't even the runt of en in any metric anymore

>>72978927
Man you are just the Kiaraschizo from global. I can tell. You should go back to bed.

So i guess brats are still seething that baes album got mogged by kiara

>>72978945
And I'm saying I don't care.

>>72978858
Pretty sure I saw the Kiara avg ccv line being intact as in still last place in EN just 2 months ago or so, so that's wrong.

>>72978991
Of course he is, seething about Bae for no reason, "flopped"
He's like a fucking bot

>>72978993
as a fan of both kiara and bae, I need them to become friends and collab on stream so we can kill this whole kfp vs brats rrat

>>72978991
>brat hangs around in kiara anti threads
Kek i knew it was brats seething because kiara keeps mogging bae

>>72967213
>it blackpilled me like nothing ever in hololive
It did the opposite for me. It made me realize she wasn't really that good of a chuuba, and likewise for Ina and Ame.

>>72978993
There he is
The board's eternal cumdump who everyone shits on and wishes cancer upon his family

>>72979083
So deadbeats, saplings and brats all hangout in Kiara anti threads. Wild.

>>72968499
we're almost there anon
it's a shame we can't see how many IPs are here to confirm that each and every single post here was made by me

>>72979068
Not a good look that you monitor kiara anti threads ratcuck

>>72979059
>Nah dude not true, trust me my dad works at youtube

>>72979040
Are you retarded?

>X car is the fastest japanese car
>No it isn't
>yes it is
>I dont care, this american car is faster

This is you
Why even reply with "'no that's wrong" then? Do you have brain damage?

>>72978657

>>72979158
I don't even watch Bae

>>72979156
nah, all 300 posts were made by me

>>72978876
Shes kind of already there. She was a machine during the early myth days.

>>72979132
Non of them are here. This is literaly just brats and nijicucks seething at kiara

>>72968422
kiara wouldve done astronomically better if she debuted with the knight outfit. huke is a fucking joke

I think Kiara and Bae should make out in their music festival outfits.

>>72979158
Man you are a joke, every single person on this board knows your identity at this point. You are the laughingstock of /vt/

>>72979159
They literally post those in /#/ you retard, just go find it yourself if you care so much. Point is Kiara was below Shiori s monthly avg ccv just very recently, making your statement false.

>>72979040
im absolutely rolling at the retardedness on display

>>72979223
SCHRODINGERS NIJIFANS STRIKE AGAIN

>>72979195
Sure thing brat. Keep seething. Maybe that will make people watch bae

>>72979162
You are responding in a Kiara bait thread full of lies and maliciousness. Why are you trying to be logical or even honest?

>>72979223
Kiaraschizo and being able to type a single coherent sentence
Name a more iconic duo

>>72979213
since return to austria after fes, 6 streams this week, 6 streams last week, 2 of those streams being members only, and new MV release tomorrow. yeah I'm thinking she's miles ahead of others still.

>>72979272
Why does Bae live rent-free in your head

>>72979228
based

>>72979314
Bae and Kiara have both been living rent free in his head since the 4th fes for some reason, very weird schizo from global

>>72979228
this but unironically

>>72979296
>>72979314
Why do you hang out in kiara anti threads?

>>72968813
A fine combination of bad things for growth, in no particular order. Not all apply at all times, but it is what it is.
(a) Poor choice of games and timing: most of her choices doesn't gel well with pulling new viewers in, or are played at poor times. JRPGs may be good for her sanity, but fotm will bring eyeballs.
(b) Insufficient charisma: not that she's not charismatic, her fan count as evidence, but she's not charismatic enough to offset other issues when they come knocking. You can be a retard or a piece of shit, but with enough charisma people will watch anyway. Some more so because of the retardation or assholeness.
(c) Middling abrasiveness: same as above, because her abrasive aspects are middle-of-the-road, they lack enough punch to garner interest, but also rub some viewers enough in the wrong way that they'll leave or decry her.
(d) Incompatible skills to genre: her approach to games of various genres tend to not mesh well with viewer expectations - talking over story-heavy games or glossing over events annoy those that want to watch for reactions, inability to excel at genres makes hand/eye coordination games uninteresting in many cases, etc.
I think her strengths lie in talk shows, stage performances, and similar scenarios. But they're not genres that are easy to set up and maintain alone, and they're not always easy to translate into long-term growth unless you either kick ass at it, or got unhinged things to say. The latter probably being blocked by Cover anyway.

>>72979374
Why do you hang out in kiara anti threads?

>>72979384
fine speech. I, however, didn't read.

>>72979374
Why do you think I made any anti comments against her in this thread? all I said was that I wish her the best and am rooting for her

>all the smallest fanbases of holoEN are fighting against each other in this thread to decide who has most popular oshi, for absolutely no reason whatsoever

I thought it was just schizo rambling but it was actually pretty easy to bait out brats. Why do you hate kiara so much?

>>72979459
To be fair he tried with deabeats, takos and irystocrats first. brats are just the backup plan.

>>72979459
All (you)

>>72979394
I wanted to know who posts in them
>>72979427
Sure anon. You definitly weren't shitting on her. Thats ehy you keep checking every new post

>>72979429
I'm sorry that you struggle so

>>72979504
And it is the only one that worked wich say a lot

>>72979516
Listen man, you are the global cumdump, you are a fucking bot, we already know this, we already know your identity, you will never be able to convince anyone else that it's more than one person pushing this retarded war of yours, you will always be one person. Always a monkey behind a keyboard, always a worthless son of a bitch
You will never make me hate Kiara, Bae, Brats or KFP

>>72978728
And yet that hard work is something you recognized, along with probably many tens of thousands of others.
10 Loyal soldiers are worth 1000 fair weather fans.
Keep the faith. Hard work will be rewarded. And luck can be overcome by sheer willpower! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH SENDING MY OSHI MY FAITH POWER!!!

>>72979604
ye, outside of this shithole website, kfp and brats don't even acknowledge each other's existence. it's all just a rrat

>>72979604
Based

>>72979661
Thex always hang around with each other in conventions

That the doxx got deleted means there is actually a janny here watching this shitshow.

>>72979699
that's just being a hololive fan

>>72979661
I hang out with a bunch of brats and kfps during connect the world, and I've seen some kfp hang out with brats during 5. fes on twatter.

>>72979661
Pretty much
I'll redpill you on this worthless son of a worthless whore who has been doing this 24/7 for a year straight now, here's a starter pack of his bot posts, one of them can be found in this thread alone
>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text="baes+album"

>>72979747
a damn shame. antis post doxx without realizing that I don't care and I like the way these females look

>>72979747
jannies respond to reports

>>72979806
>>72979764
>that's just being a hololive fan

>>72979808
actual nutcase.
also, abayo.

>>72979808
I wonder what truly went wrong with this person to reduce them to doing this every single day for 3 years

>>72979764
>>72979869
I don't know about that, I tried to hang out with takos too but they only keep staring at the floor if you try to talk with them and run away if you turn around.

>>72979808
>mogged and flopped in every single post
what a fucking nutcase

>>72979924
The amount of schizos that are broken through is quite insane, between Mori, Kiara, Bae and Kronii you could fill an entire mental asylum.

Not to stoke the flames but the kiara anti posts literaly stopped after he blamed brats wich is kind of suspiscious and the bae split has been dead since this thread was created but suddenly has posts again now

>>72979919
People are scary...

>>72980066
this isn't /hlgg/ retard

>>72980066
Not to stoke the flames but there are better ways of damage controlling than this once outed

>>72977269
>Claim that her 3d concert dis well
But it did.

>>72980066
>Kiaraschizo gets exposed
>Shitposts stop
I fucking wonder why
>>72980066
>>72979571
>ctrl-f wich
Of course you are trying to damage control

bring back the ip counter holy shit. I like to do some minor trolling here and there but this shut turns into the zoo

>>72973580
Mogged by Mori again

What is it with schzoids and vtubers whose name starts with K

>>72980204
He really is a predictable bot kek. I bet he made this thread too

>>72968813
She reeks desperation. Its cool that she tries hard, and respect for the work she puts in. But she is tipping over from trying hard into try harding.

>>72980263
Stop the damage control brat. We know it is you

>>72974345
>My point is the game doesn't really matter.
It absolutely does. I've tuned to many chuubas I don't normally if ever watch if they were playing Hollow Knight for example. How engaging they were when they were playing something I loved has resulted in me staying as a semi-regular viewer of them more than once.

>>72980349
Learn English

>>72968499
kino I predicted this shit, kneel anons

>>72975278
Not being rude in your examples doesn't mean lying to their face anon, it simply means not shoving it in their face. Something being true doesn't mean it's necessary or the right time to say it, especially when it makes as much sense to point it out as you coming up to a blonde guy and saying "you're blonde", except in this case it's something that the person is most likely very insecure and/or sad about. That's the absolute basics of maintaining good relationships with people. In your work example honestly I can't judge properly since on the surface it sounds reasonable to be blunt about a production problem, but honestly by the way you have explained yourself it's highly possible you simply express yourself like an asshole without meaning to or realizing. You might need to ask people close to you about that.

Body positivity is another beast entirely because it jumps to the other extreme of PRAISING people for being fat which is fucking retarded and actively harmful. Not calling a fat guy "fat" is not body positivity though, just common courtesy.

>>72980349
Imagine trying to deny the numbers when you don't have any argument. /#/ sends its regards

>>72980819
That's a lot of text.

>>72981082
wtf are you doing here bae

>>72981082
zoomie i know you can handle it. you've read this entire thread already i presume.

What a real long thread of people saying the exact same shit over and over again. Valuable discussion lads, keep it up.

>>72981203
If it helps your sanity, it was mostly one guy responsible for the shitposting aspect against Kiara because he hates her

>>72981203
That is literal what chatgpt does. It repeat itself over and over again

>>72981203
It's like a blast to the past anon they just say the same things as it is 2-3 years ago like nothing ever changed