/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Yes. Next question?

unless you're one of the investors

>AIIIIEEEE I CAN'T STREAM I HAVE TO LE TEST LE WATERS FOR 50 YEARS WITH CHEEKY INNOCENT POKEMAN TWEETS FIRST!!!

>>72656424
Fitting, isn't it?

my empire
of dirt

They really did her dirty.
That should have been done on the nijien official channel.
Management really are ruthless.

Impressive, it's been a month and a half and she's still losing subs.

>>72656743
It was the right choice tho
They needed a popular's liver credibility

>>72656743
the cope of management forcing Elira to do this when they had a Riku apology video already prepared is fucking funny

>>72656424
wait wasn't she on 580k-ish subs? damn I didn't think the sub bleeding was still this strong

>>72657205
It's not a cope, the management really are that fucking retarded as to think it would be a good idea.

>>72656743
You assume NijiEN management had any idea she was going to do that stream in the first place.

Has there been any other Vtuber who went from fairly successful daisenpai of a whole branch, to a largely distrusted corpo-bootlicking Vtweeter whose remaining fans aren't even sure if she's not being constantly skinwalked? Whose most watched video is a litetal black mark?
That has to count for something.

>>72657315
It literaly is a cope, management already had their video and literally had to put a statement on twitter after Elira's genius plan to cover her fuck up

>>72657397
Elira discussed with Management and they approved of it. Why would she talk to the mirror to make such decisions is beyond me.

>>72657565
No because the idea that the company is to 100% blame is a cope. She is messed up on her own to allow this shit, and the LucaDoc proves she took leadership decisions.
Riku got pissed off and put them in place, thus the video still being up and the stealth suspension. Vox just waved the fact he’s Luxiem and Igarashi convinced Riku to send him back.
Elira doesn’t have Luxiem fujobait status so she got the full punishment for making Riku’s way more neutral apology useless.
Now they had to anticipate the AR one month and will use the fact bilibili has no metric to say the AR is an huge success, they don’t have to present the receipt till June after all.

>>72657205
>>72657397
NTA, the black stream had an image of communique between Selen and her manager. There is no possible way for any of the three of them to have that piece of communication, meaning management provided it.
>but Elira/Millie was the mana...
The manager sounded ESL and furthermore they've been together for over two years. If a liver truly was the manager they'd have stopped this switcharoo a long time ago and just used normal accounts.

>>72656743
She opens the video by saying she chose to do this on her own channel voluntarily and that everyone in NijiEN agreed with her message, as she, Vox and Ike were the people that decided to speak for everyone in NijiEN.
Then 3 hours later they get clowned by Tazumi bow.

>>72657830
Anon the only reason Riku's apology wasn't massively ridiculed is because Elira's nonsense was so much worse. His apology was straight up retarded, outed himself as an incompetent moron who had no idea how (or intent) to run the company.

>>72658008
>Manager was ESL
Yes, that's exactly why Elira got a hold of that stuff as she was basically the unofficial translator, which also put her in a position of authority similar to management. Next question.

>>72656424
It's funny. If it had been a video instead of being streamed, it wouldn't show up under the live tab, but now, whatever she'll stream next will always draw be 'next to THAT'.

>>72657809
kek

>>72658040
The ONLY way for her to be able to save any kind of face is if she was coerced into saying that, the chances of which are very slim at this point.

>>72658112
How would any of that give her access to the manager's private communication displayed on screen? Not to mention Raziel's docs already showed how little power Elira had in the company.

>>72658008
yeah, she openly shared on the same video that management provided her the legal documents and everything, this does not mean that management told her do post the video, her video literaly contradicts the message they were trying to portray on Riku's video, and is the sole reason that she hasn't streamed until now

I wonder how Elira felt as soon as she realized Riku was uploading an apology a few hours after their fiasco of a livestream

>>72658279
>yeah, she openly shared on the same video that management provided her the legal documents and everything
So we can bury the idea that she was going rogue and shooting from the hip.
>this does not mean that management told her do post the video
But it also doesn't mean it didn't. I know I'm mudding the water a bit, but I do give her the benefit of the doubt on this.
>her video literaly contradicts the message they were trying to portray on Riku's video
I think that's a reach, the video Riku delivered was retarded and criticized off the gate for appealing to investors.
>and is the sole reason that she hasn't streamed until now
This is true and I don't think anyone has argued against it.

I love how copium addicts are STILL trying to pin it all on management even after it is been confirmed there effectively is none. La direction, c'est elle.

>>72656743
But Elira is the management.

Daily reminder that you can leave anytime.

>>72658363
She literally said that was going to happen in the black screen stream, so she probably felt nothing while it was uploading.

>>72656424
yes

>>72658795
Not yet.

>be management
>every talent that leaves the company shit talks you
>people start shitting on you
>drive someone to suicide
>people start shitting on you harder
>oh shit, my ass might on the line
>time to try the Kadokawa maneuver
>use your employees as meatshields
>it works

>>72656424
Pretty much. Elira hasn't done anything note-worthy before this and will most likely won't after.

>>72656743
lol, her vox and that other faggot did all this of their own accord. Do you retards honestly believe some jp manager had the idea to subtlety suggest that selen actually doxed the other talents? If you believe this then you are retarded. Genuinely retarded.

>>72658684
>So we can bury the idea that she was going rogue and shooting from the hip.
No ESL-kun, that's not what that means. It means they had access to management-level communication and nothing more. It's been confirmed she did translation work, so that was already a given.
>I do give her the benefit of the doubt on this.
Why? Just because you feel like it? You have every reason NOT to do this. What the fuck was 'management' going to do if she simply said she wasn't going to be in the video? Not vague random guesses and nonsensical speculation, what would they actually do and why?
>I think that's a reach, the video Riku delivered was retarded and criticized off the gate for appealing to investors.
People are retarded. Big shock. That video was not to investors and you're completely retarded if you feel that way. Statements to investors and statements to the public are not the same thing, and this was a statement to the public. You'd never even see it if he made an actual statement to investors. The only reason the apology exists is because AnyColor fucked up and basically committed fraud by asserting Selen's termination would be negligible in an official statement, so he had to distance himself from it. That's why that apology exists. Not to discuss anything with investors or anything, but to cover his ass against the fallout of that massive yab.

>>72659152
>translation work
How does that translate in Elira being able to pull stuff directly from a manager's discord account?
Whole post reads like an uncritical consumption of rrats.

>>72658008
because Elira is the management go-between and abused that authority to make unilateral decisions without actually consulting the management who are all JP
she doesn't have access to the management accounts (i.e. Niji EN channel)

>>72659449
Anon how the fuck do you expect people to translate shit without access?

>>72658795
>>72659065
I'm not convinced about Ike, he seemed like a third wheel and had very little to say throughout the whole thing

>>72659922
>Hey Ike wanna go publicly smear a former colleague who almost killed herself due to harassment?
>"Sure!"
>Great! We'll do it the moment she goes live on her first stream!
Ike is totally blameless though guise... pwease forgive him!

>>72659489
>she doesn't have access to the management accounts
So there is no way for her to get the communications between Selen and management, unless management personally provides it to her. Also management does have enough understanding of English to read and reply to Selen, as seen in the screenshot.
>>72659713
Attachment files and copy / paste in emails? Do you think they just gave her the password?

>>72660427
Anon. You need to go find a job and learn how things work in the real world already. You genuinely believe management sends Elira a copy/paste mail every time they want something translated? It's a fucking business account of course she has the god damn password.

>>72656743
It’s still hard to tell how much of this was JP/EN management’s fault, and how much of this was the EN livers’ fault. It’s not hard to imagine Elira being forced to appear in this because Anycolor is probably sponsoring her visa, and if she doesn’t do her job then it’s possible she could have been deported back to Canada. But it also isn’t hard to imagine that neither JP or EN ever sat down and properly communicated on how they’d deal with the situation, they just assumed that both sides were on the same page. Whatever the case, it killed Niji’s western image overnight.
And that’s also not getting into the GURRAT, where there is a chance that Elira was either a manager or that she at least built up enough trust to act more independently than other talents.

>>72656424
If she did this of her own choice I’d kill myself if I was her

If she was forced by management I’d go postal

>>72659054
And yet they still put her front and center for their ad for the Mario Kart stream. Absolutely tone deaf.

>>72656743
It's clear she did her own thing, while JP did the official apology. If Elira's attempt didn't exist to shit on Doki with Vox and Water boy, Niji would not be in the situation it is now. She all but confirmed the rrat herself. Niji went through a full week of exposing themselves.

>>72658060
yeah but stake holders would of lapped it up. Instead they got the biggest contradictions and miscommunication to exemplify mismanagement in vtuber history.

>>72658935
It's treason then...

>>72656424
The real Elira is dead and her Twitter is being skinwalked by Millie, so yeah.
The fact that all they had to do was upload an obviously old voice recording in order to convince people that she's still alive just shows how retarded the average sister is.

Elira’s legacy will be the many children she has with me.

>>72659005
>It works…???
>By “it works”, things are gone so bad everyone in JP is questioning EN existance too.
>You burn your livers so badly 4 entire generations are universally hated in the west, the rest get the scorch by default.
>Has to make Luxiem stream on bilibili despite you knowing CN is such a bad idea both you and Holo GTFO that market when it was good.
>Q4 is looking so grim you toss everything you have in April despite the anniversary being in May.
>You have to immediately admit the “Live” isn’t live.
>Despite everything, the self-yabs never stop and every day is another yab, to the point 3D debuts are seen as a flop by investors.
Really hope the sharebros don’t buy in the “hype”. Not that I don’t believe they will, they don’t care about shit except hopes to gain more money, but ar this point only a major crash will convince Niji to really look for forgiveness and come clean instead of faking “western” audience with SEA and JP people.

>>72660783
The fact a major fuck up occurred and she didn't get fired just a lengthy suspension proves favoritism in my book. They kept the clique and the boys despite the yabs behind them. They lost 2 of their most hard working female chuubas, they brought in cash and an extensive fan base. Sisters that think the numbers are normal are fucking delulu. Enna got mogged by a piece of paper, minor yabs that were previously ignored re surged and NijiEN has to take the hit with Uki white racism. The company is in the worst shape it has ever been, but not dead. Although they aren't making moves to dig themselves out of it, concerts are the fucking norm but they didn't do that last year, and that shit isn't special.

>>72661441
Stockbros are some of the most retarded people in the world, they don't really matter. Actual shareholders do matter and you don't address that crowd with public videos, nor would they be particularly amused by that nonsense.

>>72661638
Anon. Riku obviously has no fucking clue how to run a legitimate business. There is no 'forcing' him to do anything when he couldn't do it if he wanted to.

>>72656424
Yes, she will mostly be remembered for the black screen by people that do not watch Nijisanji to begin with. Its a stain on her personal brand. And it may be why Riku made them do it, as punishment for fucking up his revenue stream.

>>72656743
>did her dirty
She's the queen of all snakes in nijien
She and Enna are the absolute worst and terrible human beings
How was she done dirty?

>>72661995
>Made them
Nah. If they didn't want to do it they could have just gone 'lolno' and there isn't really a damn thing Riku would do about it.
>B-b-but he could fire them!?
No.

>>72662174
I keep seeing this and I don't understand why people say that. Elira was yab free until this incident. To my knowledge at least.

>>72656424
The timing of the stream, suggest they planned it for maximal emotional damage on the target. Overlapped the stream, and did it for something she had been unable to play during her time in Nijisanji. It does not have management's fingerprints, that was a clique move. Despicable, and the backfire was justified. She will indeed be remembered for this.

>>72662337
If the CEO of the company, to which you have signed everything over to, including a 6 month non-compete, says JUMP, you jump or face the consequences.

There are worse things than being fired, you are clearly ignorant about Japanese corporate culture, and the many tactics it uses to keep the peons in line anon.

>>72656424
For "Elira" maybe. But for the person behind Elira's avatar it was an incredibly smart move if she's considering pursuing a career in Japan since corpos there value enployee's obedience above all. Her vtubing career might be over (she'll probably still tweet stuff and won't stream, obviously there'll be no official graduation/termination ever, Niji can't afford that move in the nearest future) but in other JP corpo fields only the bright future awaits her.

>>72663336
>I-I know all about muh weebanese corpo culture!
Nah, fuck off you larping retard. You don't know corporate shit in general, let alone Jap specific copro shit.

Lets hear it anon, what did they actually threaten her with? Hit me with the full retard 'durrrr full year repayment' nonsense so I can laugh at you some more.

>>72661638
Sharebros are gonna buy if q4 expectations are met. The expectations are for a better showing than Q3.

>>72663496
I mean she might genuinely be getting set up to be a full-time manager for EN after this. Her streaming brand is completely toxic so they probably don't want to touch that, and she obviously has experience dealing with management side shit and speaks both EN and JP.

Hell, I half expect her to have volunteered her channel for this very reason, so that Niji is forced to give her a role in upper management as they can't easily fire her either.

Why does everyone forget that Elira's greatest simp, fellow Hanamori alumnus and Luxiem founding member, Shu Yamino, is still around?
You guys know he's going to pull strings to protect her right? With the very people who shelter Lazy Luca and Le Retard Vox.

>>72663685
You mean mr. "I wish I was in holostars"? I doubt he gives a single flying fuck about nijisanji

>>72656424
hardly. it's a schizo dumping ground they can neatly and tidily get rid of when they feel like it. a lightning rod for all the tourists and butthurt fagoons to spew their vitriol instead of on people's streams. pretty ingenious move really, when she starts streaming again it'll be gone.

>>72663685
What is the most he can do? Threaten to leave NijiEN? That wouldn't accomplish much when he barely streams and the Luxiem brand is well past its heyday. All that would do is potentially accelerate EN's death, the most he can do is just encourage his army of Nijisisters to support Elira.

>>72663005
She's yab free in Niji, but not before that. However she was smart enough to nuke her old account entirely as far as I know

>>72663957
qrd on this?

>>72664240
How did you not see the all out war image yet

>>72659065
>Do you retards honestly believe some jp manager had the idea to subtlety suggest that selen actually doxed the other talents?

Niji JP management have made 10 other equally retarded decisions. Why is this one so unreasonable?

>>72664167
What is the nature of things that a certain supernova did that makes you believe that. Just a gist would be enough

>>72656424
Yes.
Just like
uki hating white people
luca being the harvey weinstein of vtubing
kotoka ratting out mel, etc.

>>72656792
Pretty sure at this stage it's automatic unsub and legit dead subs. But that's actually terrible because she's not getting any new subs to even offset that. Stick a fork in her she's absolutely cooked

>>72666037
Finana becoming a measurement unit + an educator of parasocial fucks.
Enna getting mogged by a white piece of paper and asking you not to look for the truth.
Millie asking why you dont have manesan's perms and having a keen taste for boot.
Reimu being terminally /here/.
Aster being the resident failed groomer ghoul.
Wilson praising artists, while stealing art.
Hex desecrating remains, killing family pets and wondering why people are so affected.#CutforHex.
Claude just asking.
Ike bottle crunching.
Sonny faking his own death.
Vox grooming his own Asian youth cult, doing cocksucking asmr, thoroughly researching documents, claiming you can leave at any time and claiming that there is in fact no favouritism in his black company.

>>72664936
Defending her friend once on Twitter. That’s it.

>>72663193
Many people forget the overlap part. Doki's stream started a few minutes late and I believe this black screen vid also started late aka they wanted to wait just in case doki delayed her stream before trying to stomp her into the ground. They unironically think "we RUN this shit" and just HAD to preempt the PR apology vid from riku and likely told management/the rest of niji en that this was just an english version and they all liked/retweeted this assuming it would have some level of professionalism. Now, corpo isn't just pissed but all the vtubers who mentioned this stream (all except scarle?) are seen as supporting the vid and likely are genuinely pissed their own reputation was ruined thanks to the colossal fuckup of elira.

>>72664296
Thought it was based on something new.

>>72666945
Also for aster, *sigh*posting

>>72667692
>told management/the rest of niji en that this was just an english version and they all liked/retweeted this assuming it would have some level of professionalism
Anon, if they actually pulled that shit they'd have been terminated on the spot with an actual non-made up grudge list. If a video that lost Nijisanji $300 mil could have been pinned on her she wouldn't be hosting a Mario Kart tournament, she'd be looking at jailtime.

>>72662174
Enna has always been a bitch, Elira is just a pleasant airhead that no one has a single shred of evidence of wrongdoing against her for her entire career, other than MUH BLACK SCREEN. It's disgusting how do many idiots turn on her for no reason.

>>72669278
Wasn't her PL infamous for being a catty Twitter freak crybully?

>>72661685
the fact that Pomu has to graduate to dance with Kiara speak volumes of the situation inside Niji EN

>>72669472
Ever seen proof of that being posted?

>>72667692
Anon, that's just retarded. Elira is the one who said that everything they were going to say in the video was approved and reviewed by management. Anycolor has a long story of being malicious. If they haven't deleted the VOD yet, it's because they know it would be interpreted as an admission of guilt. They are doing everything they can to memory hole Selen's termination and bury any kind of drama, related to the harassment or not. That's why Elira is hosting the MK tournament, they need to keep the appearances that everything is under control and that they didn't do anything wrong. Now, this strategy won't work for obvious reasons, but it's the only thing that Anycolor can do. That's not to say that Elira and the rest are free of blame, of course. It's just that their bosses are as awful as they are.

>>72669003
>if they actually pulled that shit they'd have been terminated on the spot
Roru. If that were the case half of NijiEN would be terminated for the terrible shit they have been doing behind the scenes.

>>72658008
It's established Elira acted as a liaison because the managers are ESL retards that do nothing. Elira was a de facto manager, in everything but title. You can continue astoturfing ad nauseam, in an attempt to revise facts substantiated by circumstantial evidence and leaks, but it won't make a difference.
Likewise, it's been established that Luca was the "in" with upper management since he was tasked with leading Luxiem and Noctyx and directly communicated with the executive responsible for overseas expansion.

why are you guys so mean

>>72656424
Her legacy will be the baby she carries from Vox, her future husband

>>72669722
Hatred is the reason for their existence

>>72669580
She completely nuked her PL and you know full well what'd happen if someone posted links to the wayback machine archives.

>>72669619
Aster being a sex pest and Luca giving his account to a mod are one thing. Pic, pic is on a whole other level, fucking with a very different caliber of people.

>>72656743
She is the management. And Luca was supposed to manage luxiem

>>72669880
Yeah but what does a catty twitter freak crybully even mean?

>>72669893
If you were a catty tumblr bitch trying to clear your name, do you really think you'd have the maturity to think about the bigger picture about the company's stocks? I doubt any of those three have even seen a stock graph before that day

It wasn't elira and the gang who asked zaion to sign the silencing contract under 2 hours and threatened to slander her and then actually going through with it.

Now I don't know what happened and neither do you guys. But these whispering about how management is "above" doing a black screen video really grinds my gears. They'd absolutely pull something scummy like that.

>>72670533
The real answer about who's in control is probably in the middle.
>management forced the silencing contract
>management forced Elira to do the black video
>Elira asked if anyone would like to help her make the statements
>Vox volunteered, management dragged Ike in so it would be their "power trio"
>Elira is one step above normal liver, one step below proper manager

>>72670526
This isn't about what she thinks. This is about Anycolor finding out who caused this and taking them to court. They haven't done that. If they could have pinned it on Elira, her ass would be in seven different courtrooms right now.

>>72670533
Nigger, other corpos delegate managerial tasks to talents as well. Why do you think kurosanji is immune to that practice? It's not even a vtuber specific issue. A lot of companies do it to save money, even if the risk of interpersonnel drama happening is substantial because of it.

>>72669893
Sales still banned by the way, that shit would drop down to 1000s if people could dip

>>72670533
Don't forget the brainwashing that Sayu says happens the moment they get in, of managers telling them that they are nothing without niji, it seems more like a cult, so yes, the jp upper management would absolutely pull something like this.

>>72670864
And even so NO ONE is buying. The writing is on the wall.

>>72670966
Not only that but there is also the belief that the Jp management is somehow more "moral" compared to en and now Riku will pull them in line. This is the farthest thing from the truth.

>>72670864
I know shit about stocks, how can you ban sales?

>>72670798
If they took her to court, she wouldn't even be able to pay them any significant amount of money, probably losing more resources than she could pay. Waste of time. Also niji legal has fumbled so many times. Why hasn't anything happened with sayu or doki. It's not worth it. Plus dragging Elira to court would only make their rep tank again. "Why are you picking on this one liver?" What's there to gain?

>>72671245
You ever see the movies with the big room and people on phones saying BUY BUY BUY SELL SELL SELL? That shit is somewhat real. You have to call a broker to buy or sell. Broker says no, you cannot.

>>72671245
By being pieces of shit. Its supposed to save a failing company from being deleted from the market. They give you a "grace" time for the stocks to jump back up and they clearly havent

She waited too long, two weeks would have been good enough, just set the chat to 1 month sub mode and pretend nothing happened. Now it's almost been two months so her next stream is going to be a huge event like it or not.

>>72670966
That does nothing to negate the culpability and involvement of the Clique in carrying out dirty work to protect the company. In fact, it only reinforces it. As core devotees they are part and parcel of the cult power structure.

>>72671396
She probably will wait until after the AR to have her first solo stream. Meanwhile, she will participated on collabs and specialist events. She is waiting for the fans to start loving Niji again before making her comeback.

>>72671266
>What's there to gain?
Scapegoat for the shareholders. You can tell them that you found and neutralized the problem. With actual results (found guilty in court) to show.
>"Why are you picking on this one liver?
Let's not pretend that
>Notice of the termination of X
>reasons: Is The Bully
Isn't going to be the most celebrated termination notice in Vtuber history.

>>72671678
>She is waiting for the fans to start loving Niji
So she will never come back?

>>72671678
>She is waiting for the fans to start loving Niji again before making her comeback.
So she'll stay as a vtweeter until graduation?

>>72671647
This also fits the brainwashing, this is like a toxic relationship, they are even cut off from the rest of the industry

>>72671867
>>72671869
She will probably do a few streams before the Q4 report, and then who knows. I don't think she will graduate, but I can't imagine her being part of NijiEN's future.

>>72664936
From what I understand she and her friends liked to cancel people for sport. People who do that sort of thing for kicks and as a hobby are generally scum.

>>72672032
I can't see NijiEN being part of Nijisanji's future after the Q4 report. It'll get absorbed into the main branch and the livers will be abandoned in the sea of JP livers - just like the other overseas branches.

>>72672207
I mean, NijiEN's death means the death of the company, at least as we know it. They will probably try to rebrand it if they manage to survive the Q4.

>>72672146
No proof ever posted btw
I don’t think you understand anything, and parrot narratives like a lemming

>>72656424
Type "a message from" in youtube search kek

>>72656424
Its looking that way. It will always be right there at the top, when you sort her content by Popular. Very grim.

>>72671266
>We the company aren’t to blame
>This one individual undermined the branch and created the toxic atmosphere that has been brought to light and we will work to correct
Putting a sacrificial lamb out would’ve done wonders for Niji in the court of public opinion

>>72656424
Yeah...

>>72673581
The remaining fans all see her as some sort of angel who was a victim of Selen's manipulation and "holoincels" attacks, if the company turns on her it will be another blow to them and won't bring back anyone who left since ultimately the company is still responsible for the situation Selen was in

Sure seems like it will be, at this rate

>>72672348
Because if we did, we'd get banned for doxxing is what I'm getting reading between the lines, so you would have to specifically look for the proof.

>>72673829
I think we’ve seen enough of the NDF to know whatever the company says is what they’ll pivot to and parrot without question. If Niji puts a statement out with evidence of her acting as a manager without permission and intentionally misleading managers and then follow up with terminating her and a statement of how they are going to fix the branch there will be a lot of blame shifting. You won’t get the fans back you lost but they can start repairing their image

>>72656743
Yeah, definitely a punishment for ruining Riku's cashcow

>>72656743
It was everyone's fault
Management isn't excluded and are by far the worst offenders, and I'm not trying to paint this for someone to say "oh sister comment". What Elira, Vox and Ike did is still really fucking awful, both for the sake of an ex-colleague that just wanted to move on and audience-wise. But, where as they are agents, I'm dumbfounded anyone in a fucking retarded ass management let this slide, failed to realized how fucking awful it looks that TALENTS apparently know and have "read" a document not meant to be public and tried to initiate a "no, it wasn't me, it was her" through lying and deceiving. AND IT'S STILL FUCKING UP, WHEN A FUCKING VIDEO OF A SONG THAT INCLUDED SOME FUCKING 4 SECONDS OF EX-TALENTS THAT AS A COMPANY THEY FUCKING OWNED WAS TAKEN OUT IN A FUCKING DAY

>>72661638
A wise man once said, the market economy depends on bag-holders. Some people have to be stupid, and destroy themselves financially, or burn through money with no foresight, for the rest of us to enjoy a good windfall. And its true. Let the bagholders go broke on Nijisanji, that is their own damn fault.

>>72669003
I had completely forgotten about the grudgelist, that was indeed also a disaster PR move.
It made fan-artists and creators weary of Nijisanji, and being in its orbit.
Talk about kneecapping yourself on both legs, everyone on that list just burned the bridge to you.

>>72656424
damn that's a lot of views
she should do it again

I really wonder why NDF are so mentally broken about Hololive, it's pure and refined hatred toward anything that hololive does

>>72674516
The NDF would probably only turn on Nijisanji if the most popular males got fired/graduated. None of these people watch Elira at all. They'll probably pile into her first return stream or two to "own the chuds" or something but her numbers will crash after that.

>>72656579
Gura...

>>72676134
Reckon she can do it with whoever leaves next?

>>72676185
I have suspected for some time a big chunk of the NDF doesn't watch streams at all and just uses Niji as a platform to attack Hololive. It's always been about them hating Hololive. They're the same kinds of people who foam at the mouth about games like Dead or Alive or pressed Square into reducing Tifa's breadt size.

>>72676417
Its the same for many tribalfags, not just in vtubing. There are plenty of sports-fans who are very ignorant on the sport, the listings and do not even play themselves. But getting riled up with their friends, and talking shit / antagonizing the other team? That is the entertainment.
They are just there to act out as part of a mob, partly to get their aggression out, partly for fun, partly to feel part of something.

>>72658179
What a sad stain on your content, it stands in stark contrast to what she usually does. And now it lingers like a bad smell.

>>72675587
>grudgelist
QRD?

>>72677067
When Zaion and Selen were terminated Nijisanji included a list of transgressions, a.k.a why they're being terminated. It's so petty people started calling it a grudge list.

>>72677067
When shit hit the fan, NDF drew up a list of people to boycott / harass / flame / dislike / report / downvote, across social media. Essentially to cancel them. This backfired spectacularly and turned everyone on the list, including others who supported / were friends with them, against Nijisanji. We are talking fan-creators, fan-artists, commentators. A bad crowd to put yourself in bad standing with, when Vtubing is such a small scene, and many of these people help create buzz and content around the fandoms. Here is an old achieve of it:
https://archive.vn/el80O

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>72677067
NDF sisters created a blacklist of artists, vtubers, youtubers etc who had criticised Niji or even just shown support to Doki by drawing art or mentioning her.

>>72658040
That opening seems like a real stereotypical Japanese corporation humiliation ritual.

>>72666882
the fuck is automatic unsub? I've never heard of such a thing. I'm still subbed to shit from like 2006.

>>72656743
>Curse you Elira for ruining Elira

>>72666945
Don't forget Scarlebucks, Shu being eternally friendzoned/simping for Elira, Kotoka the backstabber, and Hex the dildoman.
This is all in the past like three months, isn't it?

>>72677851
>"It is not only for Hex but for minors who are sicklings too!"
Children should not be watching vtubers, apart from that one indie that's specifically aimed at them. They certainly shouldn't be watching any of the organs in NijiEN.

>>72672348
I've seen a screencap of her shitting on Mocca posted before

>>72669722
Why are you so retarded?

>>72669831
Forgive us for not being too fond of people who have performed a series of heinous actions. Also, criticism =/= hatred, moron.

>>72677600
Because it doesn’t exist. It’s true inactive accounts gets eventually nuked but that’s after many years, even more than how much EN existed, so it’s literally impossible. It’s just people leaving more and more.

>>72670320
If that's what was being posted pre-Gazulight, I can only imagine what else there could be.

>>72678599
She was defending Lyrica (Millie) in that screenshot. The screenshot didn't even had a proper connection between Nova and Mocca's convo.
Doing a deepdive on that issue reveals that the drama was between Lyrica (Millie) and Mocca, Elira was just a sideshow.

>>72676417
Nah they do watch, but only the boys, they are subbed to girls channels in solidarity but they really don't watch them. Funny how that works, and people were bashing holo for not releasing a mixed gen(ha, "people"). Just because you release mixed gen it wont make people watch male vtubers as a male, they will first and foremost pander to their main audience(women), same goes the other way(sisters mentally filtered female vtubers in niji, they won't watch them outside of collabs). You evidently can see that when they are so eager to ship their male oshis with other males but not females, you don't really see them doing straight shipping at all. Guess why...

>>72678326
And yet they do, because you cannot trust their parents to do a decent job of monitoring their online activities.

>>72679623
Many such cases in SEA. They don't value their children as much as NA or JP.

>Keeki and dearsqn fleshtubing dance videos and having the time of their lives
>Nova, the whore, is practically in hiding while living in the same city
>Zero contact with her ex-genmate


I guess Mint found out that she was a manipulative bitch, after all, the prophecy was fulfilled

>>72663496
>>72663629
Cope, In Japan anything related to PR even if you're a "Chuuba" has weight enough to barr you from working to any corpo. Member that PR is king there.

>>72680347
>I guess Mint found out that she was a manipulative bitch, after all, the prophecy was fulfilled
Whilst I'd very much like this to be true, there is also the possibility that Mint is aware of the blowback she'll get if she mentions meeting up with them. Then again I can't see them being equally as caution about mentioning meeting up with her. Hopefully she is done with them but I'm always somewhat pessimistic particularly after the last six months or so.

>>72680863
>Then again I can't see them being equally as caution about mentioning meeting up with her
People like to shit on them, but they're too professional for that. I'm pretty sure the tweets between Ethyria and Kiara were premeditated as well. Not to mention that notPomu wanted to keep vtubers off her account for the first two months or so.
But ultimately she spent over 2 years with them, I don't think there's any deeper meaning in her wanting to spend some time with other people after retirement.

>>72679418
People can change their home, change their car, change their hobbies, change their clothes. But their true self always ends up tripping them over. Nova never changed, and people will learn to stay away from her the hard way.

>>72679472
Interesting enough, Holostars being bros instead of Fujo baiting is working in the long term, at least in EN

>>72658688
Are you fucking retarded. Study in English for another few years before posting, yellow man. The text you posted explicitly says there is management. Having little interest in inter-talent management (bullying claims) doesn't mean they don't react to extra-organisational affairs.

>>72681348
>homostars
>bros
>working

back to the doxsite with you

>>72656424
Yes

>>72681708
Nijisister please we're having a serious discussion, touch yourself to Vox later

>>72658688
Yup, the lunatics are running the asylum, check out Aster being a histrionic creep to Scarle here

>>72656679
>My name is Elira, Betrayer of Sisters;
>Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
>Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
>Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
>The lone and level sands stretch far away.
You should have stuck to being a nobody Nova, now this shit is gonna follow you around for years.

>>72657809
Poor schizo-Elira

>>72681402
>The text you posted explicitly says there is management.
Effectively non-existent one, retard.

>>72681402
Yes. We know there is management. They're the ones who kept fucking over Selen, even forcing her to private a MV and blame herself for it, remember?

>>72682835
yikes, he seems like a control-freak

>>72659005
The Russian gambit, only they have even less expensive mechanized gear to throw at the frontlines. Riku will not be including his yacht in the black sea fleet.

>>72661824
He dresses like a teenager according to people who meet him on social media. Classic rich man-child. Japanese formality is stricter than some, but still.

>>72663980
That sounds like copium to me, it can always be removed, but the damage is done.

>>72669619
Manga source?

>>72683855
Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated termination, thanks to you. And thanks to you I've left my mark. You have too. You've written your own history. You're your own vtuber. I'm Management, and you are too... No... They're the two of us. Together. Where we are today? We built it. This story - this "legend" - it's ours. We can change Nijisanji - and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you, wherever you go. Thank you... my friend. From here on out, you're Management.

>Elira's legacy is her image as a dictator
>Pomu's legacy is being the idol beloved by all
>Finana is a measurement unit

>>72661544
Then you can put them on the altar for Riku's profits

>>72686854
What is another dead Liver among the foundational stones?

>>72657565
Not sure there is, but at the same time, it seems that she obviously tried to rig the game in her favor - and lost.

>>72656673
Reaping what she sowed.

>>72675030
I'm almost positive they were thinking "b-but this worked on Zaion, why isn't it working now?? Maybe we just need to try even harder!"

Who even watches Nijisanji at this point? Just let them die in peace.

When the FUCK is she going to stream again?

>>72691648
Women

They are so fucked, its been months and the seething is still going. Critical PR damage to say the least.

>>72692693
EN is just limping along until the next financial report sounds the death knell.

>>72691991
6th, on the main Niji channel.
They're using her channel for the PR disaster and their own channel for the PR boost tournament. Fucking kek if I've ever seen one.

>>72666882
Sadly no, those are active subscribers leaving. You can also just look at viewer-engagement for Nijisanji in general. They are bleeding out across the board, with a few holdouts. Only JP is somewhat stable.

>>72669722
Blame it on Nijisanji for being spiteful idiots for years. they dragged in this culture of destroying the talents of others for perceived slights. Their culture is a disease on vtubing. Used to enjoy this hobby more before they shit the bed. Cancer company.

>>72669893
Looking at that trend, we do indeed have a dead cat bounce, that bumpy road after the cliff and rally. Steady decline, as the gains become smaller with every pump.

>>72658814
True, they like being failures it seems.

>>72657397
They literally wrote the script for her. Granted, any management worth having would have stopped her from airing that, even if she begged.

>>72656579
Sad, but such is living in fear

>>72656424
Certainly will be what many remember her for. What a shame.

>>72694396
>>72695338
>>72695576
Pretty much this is what’s happening to them, and JP isn’t happy because thry are stable and even able to work with Holo, but EN is basically kicking the nest even on their side.
It will not be long before the investors and the JP side will start really banding at Riku’s door to fix things. The AR is not working, Luxiem may rack some fujodollars but the sharebros are normies and are just asking why not pulling an Holofes, the jig is up.
Unless the two coming soon are some serious money spending stuff, and I mean it, things will get grim, and tgat’s all because they fucked up an entire year of EN leaving it in the hands of incompetent management and livers taling over for them.
At this point the only way they can save themselves is separating from the company, too many jabs to play family and not being radioactive by proximity

>>72656792
Most likely will continue to bleed, most of EN is currently. The ccv and sc is also declining. Not sure about merch and the live tickets. We will see.

>>72697588
The Rhapsody was definitely not selling, they removed ticket exclusivity and were adding a lot of free stuff, those are not the signs of an event actually selling tickets.
As for the AR, we will see the fujo power. Interest around is incredibly low with all the talents they bleed and knowing it’s not “live”.

>>72656743
>Management really are ruthless.
I don't believe "management" had anything to do with it, since it seriously undermines Riku's official apology. Unless they went rogue that is, but if they did there's no way they are stupid enough to think they wouldn't be fired over it.

>>72657248
2024 has been a little rough....

>>72697419

>>72698502
Igarashi is still around so if someone got fired, I have no idea, and Elira definitely got stealth suspended and Vox too, although he used the Luxiem card of course.
I have no doubt that Riku intentions were to close it neutal, yes he was not gonna apologize but he was trying to sell that he did care about Selen and what happened was a misunderstanding, but EN basically said “nope, we are horrible people”.
My rrat is that the livers basically “unionized” under Elira, calling the shots as she was able to talk with management.
When the order arrived to “fix the problem”, they tried to did a Zaion but tbat was not whar Riku intended, he got there, found out how much of a mess everything actually was, and basically put everyone back to their place.
Can’t come out and admit EN was ruled over a year by monkeys, the investors would eat him alive for that incompetence, but plans keep backfiring because NO one in EN has actual PR training to deal with this shit, Riku included.

>>72698692
Yeah she basically lost a year and an half of subscribers and it’s NOT going up, quite the opposite. Even the sisters at this point should start realizing it may be time to abandon the save everyone and just ask to cut whoever they don’t like to hope the tree heals.

>>72697419
This gets horribly depressing when you remember how good NijiEN could be and how much effort went into it. What a massive waste. So unecessary. It's really sad.

>>72699103
Not a bad take, it's certainly possible. Have seen this sort of shit happen in corporate spheres where there is compartmentalization of departments. It can get real ugly when the people at the top find out, and send down a fixer to restore order. In this case maybe Riku did get his hands dirty, we may never know.

>>72656424
>None of them have streamed since then
>Only ones that do are basically clear of any kind of drama/scandal
Wtf is going on over there?

>>72697419
It's really funny how NijiEN's saving grace is an AR concert from 1 year ago. They're gonna bot the ever living shit out of it.

>>72699372
In an alternate timeline, NijiEN had proper management and Selen and Pomu were able to go all out. Imagine it

>>72672207
the homostars still exist even though they bring in jack shit compared to the girls. NijiEN is still profitable. Not being AS profitable doesn't matter

>>72656424
THE girlboss of vtubers

>>72677600
nta, but did you not hear the stink general youtube audiences made when they started randomly getting unsubed from channels? I believe it started around 2018 and youtube still pretends its an "issue they're working on fixing"

>>72656424
Seems like her subscriptions keep falling, that is not a good sign, its been a moment since the black screen.

>>72677325
>>72677338
>>72677387
Holy shit that is bad. Thanks for the clarifications.

>>72699856
That is not gonna run forever. Fujobaits usually tend to only decline, as Kpop groups proved plenty. Luxiem is not where it was before and every yab is a brick in the wall, not to mention in that toxicity you can already see livers eating each other with someone leaking stuff around.
The only solution to that is debuting more baits, Kpop factory production style, but boy the mental results are never pretty, you can see how Vox wants so badly to not be a fujobait but keeps doing it because he is literally developing his own codependency to his numbers. Parasocials will always ask more until he breaks, the same will be for the others, that’s why both the Idol and the Kpop industries endsd up needing reforms and sanitizing over time.

>>72699856
NijiEN has ruined the global reputation of the entire Nijisanji brand, Holostars hasn't done that

>>72700453
Thanks for the insights anon, I mostly saw Kpop from an outsiders perspective, and the fans sure seemed deranged like what you can find on Twitter or here. Not a good look to ignorant normies staring in (like I was in that case).

>>72700717
You also gotta wonder how much copium you need to inhale, for ''At least Nijisanji is better than Holostars'', to sound good, when they used to be the 1st and then 2nd in the world.
But like Russia, those continuous meat-waves have had a terrible effect on the psyche of the people.

>>72656743
It was her idea

>>72700717
Note he used the word “profitable”. Their upward career is over, they will be left coasting until the well will dry, and then disappear in anonymity if lucky. There is no way to get out of this spiral of 0 reputation short of scapegoating it on someone credible.
And sadly (?), Elira would be the perfect one to blame due to that black video. You can be sure if it’s about saving their entire job, Riku can find 2-3 talents to give her a black screen treatment too, this time way more credible.

>>72700765
You don’t need to know much, everyone knows about the “mass producing Kpop stars” meme, you can see it parodied everywhere. It’s exactly because that’s how the industry works, the “fans” want perfect figures that never ever change, which for an human being is impossible without losing sanity over time.

>>72701167
I was thinking the same, she has effectively made herself a target. And this stink will follow her around, the internet has a long memory, and many have made copies and saved material relating to all this drama - especially dramafags and anti's.

>>72656424
>1.2mil views
nijien finally making it big

>>72701535
>Please please, its too much winning, we can't take it anymore!
>Mr CEO, its too much!
>Riku: We have to keep winning !

>>72656424
If she stays as Elira, it may be. It will cement in people's long term memory.

>>72656424
Yup, I will linger longer in the collective memory of viewers, than many of the good things she did do in the past. A real waste of her work.

>>72702428
It’s worse, it was so loud normies heard it. They don’t just forget, it will effectively put a roof at any chances of future growth even if somehow she finda a way to justify herself by a miracle.
Good luck convincing someone who doesn’t like Vtubers to begin with to be interested in someone who produced that.

>>72702645
This was what happened with Kpop in fact, the crazy fans scared away normies, who found tango'ing with such crazy people distasteful. That drowned out a lot of the growth in the normie-sphere.

>>72702856
Fortunately Niji is not all the sphere, especially in the west. Unfortunately for Niji, thry are Niji. And they wish thing stopped at Elira yabbing, it has kept on giving for 2 months in the most spectacular example of “how to be completely tone deaf in PR and bad at problem solving”. Also nicknamed “Accellerate into the ground, no survivors”.

>>72698502
>I don't believe "management" had anything to do with it, since it seriously undermines Riku's official apology.
AnyColor is Riku's fifth pump and dump company. He has very little idea what's going on in JP, let alone EN. Fairly certain EN operates almost entirely autonomously, and Riku just gets reports from the execs every now and again.

>>72699856
>Not being AS profitable doesn't matter
That matters quite a bit, when you're a publicly traded company.

>>72666945
>vox "in my opinion, it wasn't harassment" akuma

Elira is coolest vtuber.

>>72656424
It may end up being the most viewed thing she ever did, grim.

Even if Elira streams it will have a negligible effect on putting NijiEN back on the right track.

Please have faith in Elira, everyone. I still believe in her. We haven't known most of the story yet.

>>72656424
Considering this drama is still going, has she ever made a bigger splash than this? I can't honestly recall

>>72656424
This stream is basically a giant facial scar on her reputation. One she got talked into getting or even thought would give her public recognition. She's disfigured herself.

>>72705565
wasn't there a spergout somewhat when she pulled the "im not your friend" thing in a stream?

>>72704850
Everyone is ready to laugh or praise her for punching a gigantic hole in Niji's credibility, sure bring her back.

>>72656424
Elira Pendora... SUFFERING from FAILURE!

>>72702428
What "good things" did that clique ringleader do, mister bootlicker?

>>72701535
Last I checked, it was also monetized for some god forsaken reason

>>72706377
But that was Fauna.

>>72707463
Elira was the original

>>72707463
swear she pulled something at least similar

>>72707840
>>72707463
It was Alex P with the creepy sc lmao
>>/vt/thread/42482387

>>72706377
Pretty sure that was Fauna, but it might be the case that they both had a moment like that.

>>72656743
She volunteered. It was almost certainly her idea.

>>72667692
There was also most of the organs tweeting out the stream, like in a coordinated way, people do seem to forget that as well

>>72680701
All the good and popular EN livers outside the clique are already gone. The branch can only survive on the clique, and Riku is desperate to keep it afloat.

>>72708679
See >>72708261

>>72708261
The discussion is... interesting considering the current events and how all the players are positioned.

>>72706377
Yes, she did.

>>72663336
Authoritarian shit like that only works on people who have only known the culture and can barely conceive of the outside world (a similar mentality can be seen in the USSR and modern-day Russia). Unless they physically threaten her, there's nothing stopping her from just returning home and saying "What are you gonna do about it?"

>>72681348
I just wish Altare would step up and be an actual leader by coordinating big projects on his own initiative with the other guys. Armis feels more put-together as a group than all of Tempus.

>>72707463
She improved herself and hasn't done anything similar since then.

>>72711064
How so? Just another off Elira's persona showing through the cracks

>>72706377
Of all the things, it was over a SC containing Doki Doki.

>>72714786
pottery
thank you again Kojima

>>72714786
No way...this can't be real.
The dragon half sister gimmick.
The hate for tomatoes.
The "I'm a petty bitch and if it makes you suffer I'll do it!"
Now this.
KOJIMA

>>72657248
It's still going down

>>72656424
Uh-huh

>>72706377
She probably got chewed out by management for it seeing she replied to a comment calling her out.

>>72712692
You say that like it was a bad thing she did. Funas no friend talk gets frequently taken out of context by pajeet antis.

>>72714912
Elira hates tomatoes?

>>72656424
Deeply curious about the financial situations of the streamers who are on extended breaks. Do they make boatloads of passive income? If so, then none of this shit matters. The worst outcome.

>>72715419
Yes kek

>>72715280
>The tumblr feminist bowed to unikeks in her very own chat.
OH SHIT bois, have we been pointing our guns at the wrong bimbo the entire time?

>>72715280
Wow, if only management took the same amount of reflection on how to approach the Selen situation. Maybe they'll delete the black stream. Of course they won't.

>>72714786
Reminder that Nova's only listed dislike is "tomato."

>>72715370
That's not true. I love fauna.

>>72715796
Bro... what the fuck did Tamto do to her? :'(

>>72698502
>I don't believe "management" had anything to do with it, since it seriously undermines Riku's official apology.
listen to the stream? it's only 15 minutes and the relevant info is not even 2 minutes in

>https://finance.yahoo.co.jp/cm/message/1835700/e0f1c8592aa7c340a07c2f60d41004ca
NI JI SAN JI INCOMING AGAIN
EVERYONE WANTS TO SELL AND THEY ARE BLAMING COVER TOO, JUST LIKE /VT/ KEK

>>72716164
Investors have been flipflopping between doubt back and forth for forever. You also don't need proof of ownership to post there apparently.

>>72716278
This is the first time it has been this blue though, not even when they released the financial results it was this blue.

>>72716352
The Yahoo board isn't what you wanna look at, it's the PTS I think it's called. Point is, don't treat that board as a 1-1 expectation of reality because it's only a fraction of a fraction of investors. I imagine if you compiled every single person there they wouldn't even be a mere 1 million shares. Treat them like a potential insight into what's going on to the people who actually make a difference in the market rather than what's actually happening, much like an average poll.

>>72715280
It's sad when chuubas get oneguy'd into a full blown woman moment like this. Even my own oshi isn't immune.

>>72716543
Skill issue.
A weakness Nijis are particularly susceptible to.

>>72716631
Every vtuber does this at some point. Indies are far more susceptible to it than a corpo if anything. Try not to out yourself as being a newfag next time.

>>72716164
>79% want to sell
holy GRIM

>>72716776
There's a slight chance any color won't last until the next financial report.
probably best case scenario for everyone fuck the clique tho

>>72656424
The sheer retardation on that day was truly something else. I don't even doubt that they specifically planned it as one last spiteful fuck-you to doki; it would at least make this make sense.

>>72699787
They might bot it so hard that people will call them out for it kek.

>>72716164
What is it saying? This is no longer available to people in the EEA.

>>72716964
how do you bot a paid concert with no visible ccv?

>>72716964
>They might bot
And the sun might rise tomorrow too. It would be so fucking funny if they got botted to an absurd number like 500k and used it as a real number in a financial report.

>>72697419
>>72699372
>>72699789
They really had it all and wasted it.
Back when the guys debuted, it really looked they had found the perfect formula.
Now it is all just ruins. And there's a non-zero chance now that JP blows up too for no reason other than causality.

>>72716757
A copedoodledo to you too, sister.
The next Niji oneguy moment won't be far away now.

Reminder folks:
Niji may be so scummy that an event with sales from 2023 could end up on the financial for Q4 2024 cause they may pretend to investors that the money made from the event is from this year.

>>72717180
>>72716901

>>72701167
>>72701388
Elira accidentally achieved "villain" status.
And not the "step on me" kind.
People legitimately hate her.
I personally hope this is all on NIJI's fault, I want to believe Elira is just that accustomed to JP work culture or being told to do stuff. But past behaviour is an indicator or probable future behaviour so it could also not be the case.

>>72657112
retard

>>72717180
I was about to say that they'd be stupid if they do that but at this point anything goes if they want to save the company, buybacks didn't work, the loan thingy didn't work, right now they are being carried by someone with big money but they can't keep going forever

Selen/Doki is and was always shit. She’s not funny, interesting or exceptionally cute. Low-mid tier at best and is receiving undue praise for hearsay drama.

>>72717504
April 1st sure has seen better jokes.

>>72703197
It's almost cartoonish
>Good Dragon
>Evil Dragon
>Even the character lore matched
VTubing might end one day or become something else entirely but the tale of Elira Pendora, NIJISANJI, NIJIEN and "how to destroy your VTuber company in a single video" will live forever in the inevitable books, documentaries and maybe even fucking docu-films about this online phenomena that will come out in 10 to 20 years from now with not just recent happenings but actual legitimate rep info.
She's super done unless she ditchs NIJI and makes a perfect plan to throw the entire company under the bus while not self-destroying in the process because her image, and worse yet, HER VOICE, is pure negative PR at this point. She can't talk, the company unironically starts losing money with every word she spews, good or bad or whatever, she's radioactive.
How do you throw away your voice in a career path that is exactly about that?

>>72717504
Somewhat true. But if she wasn't the person that she is, nijisanji wouldn't self-imploded like it did.
So she's top tier for that alone

>>72717269
I think basically all sympathy for her went out the window the second she said she volunteered. Either A, she was forced to say it which implies she knew it was wrong to begin with but didn't decide to follow the others out the door, or B she actually did because she's a cunt.
>inb4 would you just quit your job--
She lives with her family so she has all kinds of support as a cushion to find another job (read: go indie). And while I don't know Papalira personally so while the stories about him being cool are out there I can't say 100% sure if he's got the balls to actually do it, but if I told my dad the company I was working for had me use my voice and my personality to gloss over a suicide? He'd probably tell me to grit my teeth or ring up HQ himself depending on which of the options it was. And considering how her family all already know about her vtubing job I can't imagine the news of Selen's suicide attempts hasn't reached them.

Frankly speaking she has absolutely no excuses.

>>72715991
>>72715796
>>72714786
L fucking MAO, it was writen.

>>72717145
If NijiEN weren't such horrific morons and actually let them leech off Hololive, they might have actually caught up if they took advantage of that with good management.
We could've potentially had two real rival companies rather than Niji never even coming close to catching up and now being on its deathbed.

>>72717690
that would imply they need to work, that's too much for niji, they would rather the branch implode than not being lazy, greedy and petty at the same time.

>>72717590
The craziest shit too is in the lore, Selen is the "evil" counterpart to Elira. She's weaker, less intelligent, etc. She can't even shapeshift properly and always has a dragon hand that she can't fix, and on top of that she's supposed to be outgoing, an extrovert, and antagonistic.
On stream, maybe, but then finding out that behind the scenes selen was just a cinnamon roll hermit and elira was a major player in all of the harassment and evil shit going on? pure kino.

>>72716477
Ok, and what does that say then? Cuz the board is being right, people want to shortsell and they are discussing a lot about the western news recently, things are doing their circles.

>>72717504
Happy Easter fren.

>>72717504
Apparently you're the only one to think that because even at her lowest she was outperforming the fuck out of Nijisanji EN.
Actual big fish in a small pond.

>>72717903
He's half right.
If the YAHOO data were to be not relevant, all of their comments, predictions and shitposting wouldn't coincide and Nijisanji stock would be going up.
Instead, it keeps freefalling.
The site definitely doesn't talk for all the investors, but man, it shows an important fraction of what the investors that don't talk think about the situation, reminder, not everyone posts what they think.
They are either lurkers or just don't even bother checking the sites because they know it doesn't look right anyways.
Cue
>SELL SELL SELL
And it doesn'stop.

>>72717903
It must be despair being unable to sell and knowing the stock will plateau further the instant people can sell.

>>72717911
Post her funniest clip.

>>72717911
>Actual big fish in a small pond.
Chinese novels are meh

>>72717812
They already let that happen, I don't even want to think the soap opera tier discussions, drama and even talks everyone is having trying to plan their "escape from Nijisanji" while looking like survivors from a horrible black company.
Pomu saw the writing on the wall and dipped as fast as she could while likely everyone else just saw it as an opportunity to get the spotlight or share the hole they had to fill, instead, they now share the missery and bad press.
I wouldn't be surprised if no other corpo ever tries to hire ex-NIJIs besides VShojo and maybe some desperate small corpo trying to get a breakout talent to rise up the ranks.

>>72718088
not as bad as people buying at 3k and coping that the stock is going to go up

>>72664031
Also, the princess(Pomu) started out being firmly tied to Elira since they were friends in their PLs, but over time she gravitated more and more to Selen, until the both of them escaped the kingdom's clutches.

>>72718202
ironic how the enna was saying this was the best year for her lmao.

>>72718148
Dude, where do I start? I have a billion and can't really decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdwqNs1y5-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlka5ewJhdA

If you were trying to catch a non-dragoon, you absolutely picked the wrong guy.

>>72718246
Meant for >>72717851

>>72718220
I remember so many people legitimately started buying when the stock began to fell thinking they were about to make massive bank once it did a 180º and went up again.
Now they are the same dudes stuck with a worthless asset that is genuinely putting them at financial risk unless they had a very diverse portfolio beforehand and no, only having 2 digit shares of COVER back when the IPO happened while being balls deep into NIJI stock doesn't count.
We have yet to see if NIJI really will hit the "it's over..." valuation. But with every day that passes, it seems like the possibility of it NOT HAPPENING is the actual miracle when less than two months ago, it was the opposite.

I blame Nami she convinced her to do this

>>72718294
She has never not been funny. Her laugh alone already makes me smile.
I still remember when she came back, her voice felt completely dead inside.
At least things are stabilizing... For her. Not for NIJI lmao.

>>72718405
At first I thought they could reach at least back to 3000 cuz jap government stepped in, but no, it's been weeks and it's still stuck around 2500. Truly, I pity the sods who bought into this.

>>72718294
Literally any clips with Pomu. There hasn't been a better foil for Doki to this day.

>>72718644
Once the brakes are off, things will seriously turn grim.
The actual indicator that shit is going down will be when JP goes full overclock and they start making a ton of stuff to try and deviate attention from previous events.
But the only way for that plan to work is to practically sew the mouth of NIJIEN and skinwalk all their socials for like a year, but at that point it would be cheaper to scrap everything, graduate or transfer people into JP and then think of ways to save face and regain reputation and maybe try something like NIJIEN 2 (cannot be named NIJIEN) in like two years after purge, maybe NijiGlobal?, or something like that.

>>72718294
That’s just her laughing. That’s not funny.

>>72669580
NTA but I remember seeing one tweet of her dissing one of Moccas posts

>>72718974
surprisingly, different people have different tastes in what they want out of a vtuber. It's just likely she doesn't appeal to you. She's witty and great at playing an idiot, an aggressor, or a foil, but if you don't like that kind of humor you're better off finding someone else.

>>72718891
>in like two years after
They only got less than a year and a half unless the stock rebounds harder than a basketball. There will be no 2434 by december 2026 at this rate.

>>72717504
low-mid tier and still outshining your talents. so they must be pure gutter trash. sou desu ne~~

>>72717504
>Doki is bad
>Beating all of NIJI EN and a fairly absurd portion of main branch
You know, that means they are really fucking bad at it.

>>72719073
The things you listed appeal to me. But she just isn’t as good at them as you’re saying. It’s fine to like something arbitrarily, but the artificial, drama induced hype is annoying.

>>72717504
Don't care about Doki, I only care about Niji suffering the consequences of its actions.

>>72719555
It's alright. If that's the case you might like her banter stuff better.
https://youtu.be/QIeE4aW7_Sw?t=74
https://youtu.be/SAZPc1C4IkI
I'll also say shoutout to simpleflips because I think he does that humor better than literally anyone else on the planet https://files.catbox.moe/rbk7xw.mp4

>>72719671
I just want to see how this entire debacle ends.

>>72656424
I mean, it's a legacy.
At least she will be remembered, can't say the same for like 90% of the other chuubas to ever exist.

>>72720069
Even Finana's gonna be remembered (as a unit of measurement.)

I just want to say congratulations to NijiEN.

You made it a whole calendar month without losing any talent, or even giving a notice that you're losing talent for the first time this year. Thats quite a improvement for the legacy of this branch as a whole.

>>72720285
Not for lack of trying. Wasn't scarlebucks this month?

>>72715280
Yeah, she really must've beat herself up over it hue hue hue

>>72698700
There should be two ENs technically lol

>>72720285
April will have 2 graduations.
>Verification not required

>>72720959
Please let it be rosemi and scarle

>>72721041
It will be Elira and Enna. They will orbit/join Vshojo afterward. :)

>>72721104
>Terminated for leaking documents
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>>72721985
>Fledgling Investor

>>72656424
If she quits with the black stream being her last stream then yes.