/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72345822
Full Signed V&U Serafi Contract Text (1/2):
Article 1 (Broadcaster's Work)

Broadcaster shall perform high-quality character performance and activities as Vtuber in accordance with the Company's request or with mutually agreed content, schedule, terms, and conditions. The duties of Broadcaster under this Agreement shall include activities, such as vocals, broadcasting content planning, business consultations for broadcasting purpose, and attending meetings for business.


Article 2 (Broadcasting)

Broadcaster shall broadcast for at least three 3 days a week and at least 2 hours during one broadcasting performance and shall write at least three 3 posts per week having agreed quality or better to upload on SNS and otherwise. In connection with the foregoing, Company and Broadcaster may adjust the frequency and time through monthly consultations, but if the consultation does not proceed due to any circumstances, it will be decided to proceed as the previous consultation matters or broadcasting matters. Broadcaster, with regard to the above consultation, may present and discuss his/her own various practical opinion to Company, but the final judgment and decisions shall be made by Company, and Broadcaster shall respect and follow as far as the decision is reasonable.

Broadcaster shall not slander Company or employees of it, with any reason or purpose, and other broadcasters of Company in carrying out activities in this Agreement, and particularly it is strictly prohibited to use Company's assets and rights stipulated in Article 3 for personal or private purposes other than performing contractual activities.

Broadcaster shall be strictly prohibited from making political, racial, hateful, sexual, or provocative remarks or actions in broadcasting activities. Broadcaster shall share all the schedules and contents related to activities with Company based on the nature of the broadcasting. Broadcasting with schedules and contents that are not notified to Company is strictly prohibited, and Broadcaster shall bear all the responsibilities for any problems or claims that may adversely affect Company's business or cause tangible or intangible losses and shall keep and hold Company indemnified and harmless.


Article 3 (Company's Assets and Rights)

Company shall reserve the right to ownership, use rights, and business rights of all productions (including but not limited to various characters) produced, secured, or used by Company. Company also shall reserve all the rights to all accounts necessary for broadcasting using them. Broadcaster merely have the right to use the above rights and assets provided or held by Company for broadcasting purpose on a limited basis, and in any case, Broadcaster shall not restrict access to the account, block, close, disclose, or link other account without the prior written permission or consent from Company. It is strictly forbidden to change the account ID, password, or email address without the prior written permission or consent of the Company. On the other hand, even if changes are made with prior permission or consent, Broadcaster shall notify Company of such changes and otherwise, and inform Company in detail of the progress when receiving a request for disclosure or sharing from Company.


Article 4 (Business Communication with Corresponding Manager)

If Broadcaster wishes to communicate with people inside or outside Company about content that is directly related to activities under this Agreement, affects the contractual activities, or may affect the business and reputation of Company, Broadcaster shall inform to and discuss the related purpose and matters with the corresponding manager in charge in Company in advance. Broadcaster shall be responsible for any friction, conflict and dispute with internal and external parties arising from the violation of this obligations and take strict responsibilities for losses and damages in Company's business therefrom.

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>>72345822
She tried to do a donothon and run with the money. Fuck her and the corpo.

>>72345957
Unlike Pochi, she'll never got the donothon money, at least.

>>72345940
Full Signed V&U Serafi Contract Text (2/2):
Article 5 (Term, Termination, and Change to Exclusive Contract)

The term of this Agreement shall be one 1 year. However, fifteen 15 days prior to four 4 months after the execution of this Agreement. Company may conduct a service evaluation on Broadcaster's sincerity, talent and growth potential based on the work performance as Broadcaster, and as a result, if it is difficult for Company to further collaborate with Broadcaster as a Vtuber, or if it is difficult for Broadcaster to continue broadcasting due to company's own circumstances, either Company or Broadcaster may terminate this Agreement at its own discretion, and either party shall not raise any objections thereto against the other party.

Even before the expiration of this Agreement, Company may terminate this Agreement in consultation with Broadcaster and execute a brand-new exclusive service agreement with Broadcaster regarding Vtuber activities. The terms and conditions of the exclusive service agreement are determined through separate mutual consultation, but, in any case, it will be more advantageous monetarily for Broadcaster than those in this Agreement.


Article 6 (Service Activity Fees and Incentives After Expiration of Period)

Company shall pay USD 500 per month as an activity fee at the end of each month in exchange for Broadcaster's sincere activities in this Agreement, but USD 2,500 for the fourth month. The monthly activity fee after the fourth month shall be determined through mutual consultation between the parties.


Article 7 (Nature of Agreement)

This Agreement shall not be a labor or employment contract between Company and Broadcaster, whereas it is a special service providing Agreement for which Broadcaster performs and completes the tasks agreed between the parties or requested by Company autonomously, creatively and faithfully in accordance with this Agreement and the Vtuber market practice.


Article 8 (Cancellation of Termination of Agreement)

If this Agreement is canceled or terminated by Company due to Broadcaster's fault or non-fulfillment of the Agreement other than the reasons for expiration, cancellation, or termination of the Agreement stipulated above, Broadcaster shall compensate Company for the paid-up amount in accordance with this Agreement, direct expenses incurred for the performance of the Vtuber work, replacement personnel input costs, and damages. If Company's damages cannot be easily calculated or proven by Company, Broadcaster shall compensate to Company, at Company's option, within five 5 times the amount in this Agreement received by Broadcaster.


Article 9 (Prohibition of Competition and Confidentiality)

During the term of this Agreement, Broadcaster shall not have a qualitative and quantitative adverse effect on the work under this Agreement in the form of a contract(s) similar to this Agreement or a contract related to Vtuber activities (Vtuber entertainment service providing contract, Vtuber entertainment service providing arrangement contract, exclusive contract, and etc.) with a third party without the prior written consent of Company, and shall not engage in employment, service, bypass or cooperation with or in any relationship with competitors of Company in any matters.

Broadcaster shall not disclose business progress, business methods, and business-related activities with Company in a manner other than the purpose of the contractual activities and shall not disclose to any parties or use all information learned while working for Company, internal activities, and the business status of Company without the prior consent from Company. Obligations in this Article shall survive three 3 years after the expiration or termination of this Agreement.


Article 10 (Governing Law, Jurisdiction and Standard Agreement)

The governing law of this Agreement shall be Korean law, and the any dispute shall be resolved by commercial arbitration at the Korean Commercial Arbitration Board in Seoul, Korea in accordance with its then effective arbitral rules. The contents of the relevant standard contract recommended by the relevant authority of the Korean government may also be referred to in the interpretation of this Agreement as far as it is appropriate and necessary.


Article 11 (Other)

The parties to this Agreement may agree on matters not stipulated in this Agreement in separate writing.

September 15, 2022

Metaro Co., Ltd.:
6F, 47, Yeonnam-ro, Mapo-gu, Seoul (Youngjin Building)
Representative: Park Il-ho (stamp and/or signature)

>>72345822
I said I was going to link the full text of Alien Mixture's response to the second termination notice, but then I realized it'd be like five posts, so I'm just gonna direct link the google doc to eliminate half the botnet:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18jN68u8IaINwDG8FGU-xC06EcO5ShEQPNo5odIjdR0M/edit

>>72345822
sounds like reason enough to sink the yacht to me

>>72345822
So if they're going to refund superchats, does that include YouTube's 30% cut? By now those transactions would all have cleared and I doubt YouTube will want to hand back their share.

>>72346565
At least there doesn't seem to be any rumors of a clique this time around, so no reason to put any of the blame on the talents.

V&U itself needs a swift kick the teeth though.

>>72345957
>>72346037
Kys bootlicking retard niggers

>>72345822
>USA talent vs Korean Corpo
Let them fight.

>>72346684
I think Youtube actually has a refund system for this sort of event. They also delay your payments by a month minimum.

>>72345822
She's not suing, despite V&U's poorly worded claim of "legal procedure", she just asked them to communicate through her lawyer. Said lawyer did say she could make an extortion complaint though, and the US government pretty regularly extradites foreign nationals for that sort of behavior.

It's a nice fantasy, Park Il-ho ending up in a US prison for this.

>The rrats have it that Serafi caused some drama among her sisters
She basically ostracized herself from her coworkers by being a self-centeres menhera bitch (which is a feat of its own, considering how nice they are to each other and their communities). She also started her crusade against V&U mere hours after they debuted their fifth gen, (knowing full well that it would harm their growth and bring harassment from dramaniggers and tourists to girls who had nothing to do with this) and leaked her contract to a known grifter. As far as I’m concerned, her actions and claims are purely self-serving and malicious. Take what she says with an industrial vat of salt

>>72347626
She did mention something about criticizing management for expanding too quickly "like Nijisanji". The few other V&U girls I've watched do seem incredibly nice, though I didn't follow her, and didn't sense any drama until now.

V&U hasn't denied the invoice is real, or made any attempt to apologize for it, so regardless of what sort of menhera bitch she maybe, nothing is going to justify extortion to the tune of $450K.

>>72346961
>They also delay your payments by a month minimum.
On top of this delay, V&U also delays payments to talents for an additional month, so that the VTubers don't see any money for two months. That's why the refund from V&U goes back so far--that's how late their payments are.
>>72347626
>She also started her crusade against V&U mere hours after they debuted their fifth gen
She didn't set the timing for the notices, and (according to her, at least) wanted to keep the contract termination an internal affair.
>Take what she says with an industrial vat of salt
Even ignoring what she's said (both in her statement on Google Docs and her statements to LM), and just looking at the contract, the invoice, and V&U's notices, V&U is clearly in the wrong. No matter how much drama she created or in which she was involved, nothing justifies V&U's ~$450k bill, which was clearly a tool of extortion and a failed attempt to force her to continue her work for V&U even after she had explicitly stated that the contract was over.
>>72348201
>V&U hasn't denied the invoice is real
In fact, in the second termination notice they confirmed that they sent her an invoice. Given that they did not say that the invoice LM showed off is fake, this likely means that the invoice is the one she received from V&U.

>>72348201
That's the main problem. Even IF V&U were somehow in the right this entire time about Serafi being a menhera that was hard to work with, and even if those rrats are somehow real, the ludicrous bill of 450k USD just shot down their entire case. That's leagues more money than Serafi ever earned from her channel, or would have ever earned at all from her time on Youtube.
Asking her to compensate partly for the costs of the model would've made a lot more sense.

Sounds like if she wasn't such a cunt she would've gotten the donothon money.

>>72349369
Yeeeah, I'm sure they would have taken ~$3000 off that ~$450,000 bill.

>>72345822
Literal who

>>72349451
Yeeeah you're a faggot

>>72345822
Oh great timing. Clopgirl is having a stream about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQmmawSfOJs

Bootlickers are so fucking retarded and gullible. Imagine turning on your oshi once she tried to expose a black company.

>>72350254
Go suck a black dick, Serafi

>>72350307
Go suck some black company's boots, unfaithful shithead

>>72348201
From what I gathered out of it, that invoice was an estimate of the expenses they made for her channel (3D modeling ain’t exactly cheap), which they were willing to negotiate from. Or at least, that was the plan until Serafi decided to ghost them and start shit talking them.

>>72350254
well, but that´s the thing. No one has her as an oshi lol. She always had an excuse to not stream.
The 450k thing is retarded though

>>72350579
They gave her the $450K estimate firsts. She then asked for an itemized invoice of how much she would have to pay to leave amicably, and they gave her that beast. She then said all future communications should go through her lawyer, who told her to ignore it.

>>72348201
She called the corpo “Baby Nijisanji” before making a laughable attempt to backpedal to avoid accusations of grifting off the Dokibird debacle (as if that drama wasn’t the only reason people even talk about Niji nowadays).

>>72349098
The blame for the payment delay lies solely on YouTube, judging by the other girls’ accounts, and they said that this shouldn’t be a surprise. And yet, Serafi decided to use that as a sign that V&U is a “Black Company” (and let’s face it, nowadays that label as lost all meaning and can be boiled down to “any corpo I don’t like”). Interesting. Also, nobody forced her to start her campaign mere HOURS after the Gen 5 debuts. She knew what she was doing and when to do it.

>>72350579
>which they were willing to negotiate from
I don't know that there ever was any attempt to negotiate. V&U sent her the bill, and she refused to pay. The total cost of model, contract investment, &c.--the benefit she received from V&U--is not more than $10,000, or $15,000 if you want to be generous. The problem with the invoice is that it is not based in reality. It ignores the actual effectiveness of V&U's management and administration and how those roles and that work was spread out among the talents. Not to mention the "Etc." expenses in the figures of $20,000 each--how does one negotiate around such ludicrous figures and billing claims?

>>72349244
>the ludicrous bill of 450k USD just shot down their entire case.
Managing a talent isn't like being boss of a wagey. The work you put in to the talent is an investment, not compensation for work provided. If you invest $450,000 into a company and then the company tried to declare bankruptcy, you would also sue them to get your money back. She defrauded V&U.

i support the company on this matter, serafi violated her contract and wants to run away after paying little fees to compensate for her selfish actions. all this time the company invested tons of money, time on her project and expected her to stay until her contract is over. all rulebreakers will get rightfully punished as in accordance to their contract. dont join a corpo in the first place if you cant respect a company's set of rules, missy.

>>72345822
>The rrats have it that Serafi caused some drama among her sisters. (Please post a QRD of this
Serafi and some of the other girls went to New York to go to an anime con. All the other girls stayed in one hotel room, and Serafi stayed in another.

The rrat was that this was because they hated each other (yet still went on a trip together?). In actuality, it was because Serafi's mother came along (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQbZdc_32pI&t=1305s)) and the two of them got their own room.

Some of the schizo Serafi antis refuse to acknowledge this even though it's pretty clear.

>>72351165
>Contract already ended
>Trying to terminate relationship now that contract is over
>Get sent a $450,000 bill so that she would keep streaming for them
That's illegal.

>>72351310
Yes, which is why V&U, despite what the seething ESLs here say, would never win any lawsuit if they were stupid enough to try.

>>72351127
VTuber managers, all grossly unqualified staffers, should themselves be paying for the experience of getting to manage a talent.

>>72351310
If that's true then RIP V&U.

>>72345822
oh another day of:
>WAAAH! WAAAH! BLACK COMPANY!

>>72351058
I give them goodwill since every other girl in the company seems to be happy with the corpo (also, she leaked her contract to a known grifter under the delusion that she somehow was immune from NDA and then had the gall to pretend she didn’t want people to attack the company or the girls lol).

Did V&U fuck up at some points? Abso-fucking-lutely, no corpo is perfect. But I doubt that they’re some evil black corpo like Serafi’s claiming. Her actions make it damn near impossible to see her in a charitable light and it baffles me that people actually think she’s an “uwu innocent smol bean with no malice whatsoever” when her actions have proven her malicious intent time and time again.

>>72350976
>The blame for the payment delay lies solely on YouTube
No, YouTube only has a one month delay; V&U adds an additional month on top of that (for what reason I do not know).
>a sign that V&U is a “Black Company”
At this point, they look like it in relation to Serafi; but the reason why Nijisanji is, in my eyes, a black company, is because there is proof of such things happening to multiple people, and there being in existence a social workplace structure where it is tolerated. There is not enough public information about V&U for me to agree with that claim. In addition, while they may suffer from poor management, (as alien_mixture claims in her recent statement,) that makes the company bad, not black.
>Also, nobody forced her to start her campaign mere HOURS after the Gen 5 debuts.
That timing was caused by V&U's actions: when they sent the invoice, how (and especially when) they responded to her termination of contract, &c. Similarly to
>avoid accusations of grifting off the Dokibird debacle
she put in her notice to V&U before the Selen termination notice came out. It's just unfortunate (or perhaps fortunate, for her, now) timing that the NijiEN situation came to a head at the same time.

>>72351165
Yeah, what a narcissistic cunt. Imaging having 4 managers and her shit wasn't satisfied and get done while other girls was doing alright. It seems she and her cohorts planned this all along at the start.

If V&U didn't want drama near the launch of their fifth generation, maybe they should have announced Serafi's graduation back in February?

This is 100% on them being a black company. It's sad to see so many good chuubas end up in that korean shithole company.

>>72351486
>Try to bill you an absurd 450K
>For terminating and already expired contract
And yet vnu isn't black.

I'm pro drama so which horse should I back

>>72351486
never trust a Korean Idol company, especially if they connected to SM Entertainment

>>72351165
This, if they let her go without doing anything, that just means that any of the girls working for them (in the US at least) could just walk out of their contract early with zero consequences. Which of course isn’t how contracts work.

Good luck on her getting sponsors now that it’s out there that she’s just willing to walk out on contracts.

>>72351475
That’s exactly what I was saying, this label has lost all meaning aside from “any corpo I don’t like”

>>72351515
>the reason why Nijisanji is, in my eyes, a black company, is because there is proof of such things happening to multiple people,
So Serafi is just Zaion and will be shunned forever?

>>72351837
the popcorn and watch both of them burnt horse

>>72351909
>Force you to work after the contract expires
Literally black company you retard

>>72351837
always back the winning horse

>>72351909
>that just means that any of the girls working for them (in the US at least) could just walk out of their contract early with zero consequences
It's almost as if V&U should've had someone write the contracts who knew about international contracts or at minimum could actually write English correctly.

The flawed contracts are 100% the company's fault. The fact that it already expired is just icing on the shitty cake.

>>72352009
idk, does the contract have an auto-renew clause?

Then again, this is Korean entertainment we talking about, they are worse than Japanese on how treating their trainee, talents.

ITT: Serafi simps and tourists who’ve never heard of Serafi, let alone VNU, until purple Keemstar made a video shittalking the latter parroting cries of “muh black corpo”

>>72349098
>On top of this delay, V&U also delays payments to talents for an additional month, so that the VTubers don't see any money for two months. That's why the refund from V&U goes back so far--that's how late their payments are.
are they delayed so much? apparently she got paid for november and softquit in january so 1 month delay still checks out

>>72351165
>serafi violated her contract
>expected her to stay until her contract is over
>in accordance to their contract
>>72351127
>She defrauded V&U.
Her contract had already ended well before the notice was sent--it ended a year from September 2022, and was thus over by the time of the internal messages and disputes (including the invoice) which came in February and March 2024).
Also,
>The work you put in to the talent is an investment, not compensation for work provided.
Funnily enough, that's not what the contract says. The contract provides $4,000 in cash over a four-month period, plus the rights to use V&U's IP (including the model). All other expenses were born willingly by V&U in pursuance of business gain, not to fulfill contractual obligations. Thus, she has no duty to repay the company for those actions. This is especially so given that, per the contract, she would have had little say in how V&U used its money in relation to her and/or the other talents.
>>72351486
>I give them goodwill since every other girl in the company seems to be happy with the corpo
I, too, think that V&U is not a black company--at least at this point in time. I do not intend to boycott the company and all talents, like with Nijisanji, for much the same reason. But I do take issue with:
>But I doubt that they’re some evil black corpo like Serafi’s claiming.
The main evidence of black-corporation that I find come not from her statement, (although that does have some details, particularly about the four managers,) but from the company's actions: the termination notices, the "hiatus" notice, and the invoice. I don't think that the situation with Serafi's four managers, even taken as she tells it, makes V&U a black company; just a poorly managed one. But the public actions of V&U (need I say 450 again?) are the worst things I can see.
>her actions have proven her malicious intent time and time again
Is this more rrats? I don't know too much about V&U on the rrat front, so if you could enlighten me....

>>72351909
>Which of course isn’t how contracts work.
It is when they are expired.

Even if it wasn't, you put a REASONABLE penalty for early termination. Even the x5 the initial salary that's described in the contract is too much, but it would have been ~$20K vs. this $450K they pulled out of their ass.

>>72352103
Better than eggman simps and discord groomers like you.

>>72352060
It sucks for the company, yes, but there are some lessons that have to be learned by money.

Sadly this one might also come with hurt of reputation and have bad consequences for them if they go to court since 450K might be called a threatening tactic or extortion.

>>72352091
>idk, does the contract have an auto-renew clause?
No, unlike Nijisanji's this one does not.

>>72352103
I don't watch dramaniggers nor did I even know who this was until I clicked into the thread, but regardless of how evil she might or might not have been a 450k invoice to a single entity is genuinely evil no matter how you spin it.

45k, sure, but that extra digit turns it from a life-changing punishment to Gary Bowser.

>>72352206
I mean, they probably know that it won’t look well in the court of public opinion, but considering her attempts to sabotage the debut of their fifth Gen by publicly smearing the company’s reputation (who may I remind you had nothing to do with this in any way whatsoever), the way I see it, they don’t really have a choice. “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t”, like they say.

>>72352195
Are the “discord groomers” in the room with us right now?

>>72351486
Were you rejected by a white girl or something and now transfer that hatred to Serafi?

>>72351950
Well, Zaion was shunned until Doki came around. Who will V&U's Doki be? Will they have one?
Also, I don't think that she's totally doomed; especially post-Doki, she can ride the anti-corpo wave without much effort.
>>72351909
>walk out of their contract early with zero consequences
She didn't walk out early; her initial contract expired in September 2023, and she signed no other contract with V&U. As such, she actually stayed at V&U for several months without a contract.
This in particular reflects poorly on V&U, and not even in a black-company way. This lack of attention to contracts--and the unduly short nature of the contract itself--reveals a level of flippancy which is unwarranted in dealing with overseas talents.

I must be blind but what is their split?

>>72352225
I'm sure there is some violation of worker law here if you work without a contract, but it depends on the country I guess.

>>72352486
$500/mo to streamer, $450,000 to korean company.

>>72352414
If you don't want your reputation smeared, don't hit your ex-talents up for half a million dollars. It's not hard. Plus she asked to leave well before the debut.

>>72352414
You would pay half a million US dollars to a company based on a contract that already expired just because?

>>72352103
always funny to see other corpo fans shit on Niji when it yabs, then use the same exact NDF tactics to defend their own company yabbing

>>72352465
V&U has a particularly massive doomer and even she had nothing bad to say about her contract (in fact, she even said that she was always laid fairly for streaming). If things were as bad as Serafi is trying to claim, you’d think that someone like that would have said something by then.

>>72352684
>>72352694
I doubt that Serafi’s worked for ten months without a contract. The only evidence we have so far is her grifter lawyer whose only response when questioned was “I have no idea what the fuck I’m saying, but just trust me bro”. Also, the dude milked the AkioAIR drama for his own profit. No way someone like that is on the up and up and he could very well be making shit up.

>>72351165
Of course you would you have Niji stink all over you.

>>72351214
>The rrat was that this was because they hated each other (yet still went on a trip together?).
Huh, why would they do that if they hated each other? And if the girls hated each other, why would they stay in one hotel room? Why they did not get hotel rooms for their own like Serafi did? There's something wrong on your narrative.

>>72352009
>expires
i dont understand. vnu said that she had a 3 year contract, serafi said that she had a 3 year contract legal mindset says that it was a 1 year contract and it expired. whats going on?

>>72352928
The employment contract is one year, the NDA was three years, Serafi and VNU were imprecise, legal mindset was correct.

>>72352465
>As such, she actually stayed at V&U for several months without a contract.
source? this doesnt sound right

>>72352903
No, I meant that the rrat that Serafi and the girls hated each other was wrong because otherwise they wouldn't have gone on the trip together in the first place. They didn't go for work or to appear at the con or anything, it was purely a personal trip.

>>72353065
His source is a grifter who’s not only known to milk Vtuber drama for his own self-aggrandizement, but also has no fucking idea how Korean law works and when questioned on the contract just responds with “trust me bro” without showing actual evidence for his claims

>>72353235
You're an expert on korean law, though right?

>>72353007
this smells like a load of bullshit. how could serafi be imprecise AFTER legalmindset stream and they are supposedly talking about all of this and after serafi talked with her own lawyer?

>>72353334
Feel free to read the contract kurocompany enjoyer-kun.

>>72353316
Never claimed I was, but you don’t see me going “WAAAAH! WAAAAH! BLACK COMPANY!” like some fucking retard because a grifter lawyer and the EN VTuber Keemstar said “VNu bad because I said so, trust me dude”.

>>72353235
So you're assuming a certified lawyer, who works with thousands of overseas contracts according to his business page, forged a Korean contract for his side gig?

He's also not judging the contract by Korean law. It demands too much control over the talent to be a contractor agreement, it is thus a labor agreement, making it subject to US law as she's a US citizen. You can't sign away your labor rights in the US.

>>72353580
>you don’t see me going “WAAAAH! WAAAAH! BLACK COMPANY!” like some fucking retard
No, you go “WAAAAH! WAAAAH! GRIFTER!” like a fucking retard, so not much of a difference from my pov.

>>72353106
I think Serafi did something wrong on that trip.

>>72353414
what the youtube lawyer showed is one thing. serafi acknowledged the 3 year contract in her document about inaccurate statements from vnu side. hard to not raise eyebrows when the story from one side is changing all the time.

>>72345822
>The term of this agreement shall be one 1 year
So the contract is for 1 year and they have an easy out until the fourth month after signing the contract.

>Even before the expiration of this Agreement, Company may terminate this Agreement in consultation with Broadcaster and execute a brand-new exclusive service agreement...it will be more advantageous monetarily for Broadcaster than those in this Agreement.
Are we sure she didn't sign anything of this sort?

>Obligations in this Article shall survive three 3 years after the expiration or termination of this Agreement
So I guess NDAs don't mean anything if the company is not rich enough to bankroll a legal case against anyone breaking it.

>>72353583
I'm sure forging contract is illegal, no sane lawyer risking their high pay job for this stupid case, like if you think he made that shit up, report it to disbar him.

>>72353790
>Are we sure she didn't sign anything of this sort?
Did she say she did?

>So I guess NDAs don't mean anything if the company is not rich enough to bankroll a legal case against anyone breaking it.
Business means taking risks? Who knew?

>>72353583
nta but im more inclined to believe that the girl is telling halftruths to shape the narrative

>>72352890
>The only evidence we have so far is her grifter lawyer
No, the contract clearly states a one year term. She probably kept working because she was told it was a three-year contract. V&U believed as much, as they stated in public communication that it was for three years.
>>72353235
>without showing actual evidence
The evidence is the contract; there is no other evidence in existence.

>>72353885
Then the facts are that it was a 1 year contract, and she was invoiced for $450K. Those are the documents we have that the lawyer is staking his job on.

I mean, she can be a backstabbing traitorous crazy bitch of the highest degree, it still wouldn't justify the company's actions.

>>72353583
He had no qualms about showing the entirety of the legal documents during the AkioAIR debacle (even shit that could be considered doxxing), but conveniently decided to withhold sharing the contract proper until everything looked suspiciously favorable to Serafi’s narrative.

Am I supposed to believe that he suddenly grew a moral compass and wanted to avoid doxxing when he had no issue with that before? C’mon, this is fishy as fuck and you’re absolutely retarded if you think otherwise.

>>72353766
Don’t bother, he’s physically incapable of doing anything that isn’t parroting the “muh black company” bullshit regardless of the facts.

>>72354023
>trust me bro

>>72353790
>NDAs don't mean anything
In general, contracts don’t mean anything if you can’t enforce them. However, in this case, the NDA was not violated: the NDA only covers V&U internal information, and not the contract. (That’s why, for especially secretive contracts, you sign an NDA before seeing the contract.)

>>72354023
Link to this "doxxing"?

Thinking about it, dont all of V&Us problems here stem basicly from just one person, their lawyer?

Serafis very sloppily written contract, the attempt to put 450k on a penality to leave the allready expired contract, the concept that 'etc' is acceptable for what is supposed to be a itemized legal document regarding 10s of thousands of dollars.

If serafi wanted out V&U would 100% have brought their laywer in to handle the negotiations over what is contracted.

I think the best option for V&U is to publicly announce their lawyer has been fired due to gross incompetence and apologize to her for the trouble caused by his actions.

>>72353824
Most of the law about forging contracts probably relates to trying to get people to follow contracts they never signed. However, saying that a contract was signed by a company, when it wasn’t, and it makes the company look bad, is probably business defamation. It’s also highly unethical and would likely get him disbarred. I doubt he would do it.

>>72353985
but then if the contract already expired and she still somehow worked for them(?????) then they wouldnt ask for compensation for breaking contract because there isnt one.
one thing is for sure, one of them is a fucking liar.

>>72345822
>The contract was actually signed on September of 2022, not on January of 2023 as V&U claims

Funny how that's exactly 4 months after which the company would've conducted a "service evaluation" on Broadcaster.
The same article, Article 5, states that the Company may terminate this agreement with consultation with the Broadcaster, and offer them a brand new exclusive service agreement which might be monetarily more beneficial, and by relation monetarily more damaging to break.
Maybe the company is talking about this one.

>>72354062
He banned a girl who was involved in the AkioAIR situation for trying to call him out on his bullshit and nuked everything when the backlash became too severe, but sure, go ahead and think that I made it up.

>>72354304
Again, if you aren't denying the documents or real, there's no lie to be had. They are entirely damning in themselves. 1 year, $450K.

>>72354304
>she still somehow worked for them
To be honest, it's baffling. Maybe behind the scenes, she extended her contract and later on she regretted it and wanted out.

>>72354368
The girl asked his GUEST to take down his video well after it had aired. LM merely followed suit.

>>72354228
Well, two issues: (1) lawyer and (2) the translation. The legal staff (if more than one person) is probably poorly paid. Two issues are clear: the problems in the initial contract; and the failure to renew the contract. This is the case even if the company thought the contract ended in January 2024, not September 2023 as the contract itself states. The translation is also an issue, also the lawyer-to-businessman communications were probably the cause for the itemized statement. The “Etc.” is just miscellaneous expenses related to some project or function, but that just goes to show that the invoice reflects general corporate expenses and not the actual amount to which they may be entitled in equity.

>>72354502
>Maybe behind the scenes, she extended her contract and later on she regretted it and wanted out.
Maybe all the evidence is already out there, and your schizo rrats are complete bullshit?

>>72354502
Well it's true that we only have her word that she never signed any other contract or received any other documents.

Even if there was an active contract, however, wouldn't justify invoicing $450K for terminating it.

>>72354527
I think he mentioned that one of the girls related to Akioair requested him to take the video down.
He said so in the stream before the Pippa stream.

>>72354630
>we only have her word that she never signed any other contract or received any other documents
As a pro-Serafi, this is the weakest point, particularly because you can’t prove a negative. However, unless V&U says something to the contrary, I will believe her statement over the company’s silence.

Serafi streamed with Pippa, the leader of /pol/, so she deserves to be charged 450.000$

>>72354502
Article 5 does state that the Company may offer her an exclusive service agreement before the completion of the contract in OP,
so who knows maybe we are actually not privy to all the information, just enough to raise our pitchforks against V&U...

>>72354630
>wouldn't justify invoicing $450K for terminating it
Considering they were going to take her to court, they would've sued her for fraud which means she was expected, in the contract, to pay for the company's services through ongoing revenue from her activities. By trying to leave the contract she is defrauding V&U.

All of this is completely irrelevant because international contract law is very cut and dry here: The jurisdiction goes to the defendant's jurisdiction.
Serafi is not going to sue because there's no point: she already got what she wanted (the contract's termination).
V&U can't sue her in Korea because they can't force her to pay up (as she has no assets in Korea other than the wages that V&U is witholding anyway).
V&U would be forced to pursue her in the USA, who would pretty much tell V&U "fuck off and also here's a bunch of labor laws you violated", which could (not likely, but could) lead to the extradition of V&U higher-ups in a follow-up criminal case. What is more likely to happen is that V&U would try and sue in the US, get told by a lawyer "look, you have no case, just settle", and either settle openly to save face, or just peace out and try to pretend the whole thing never happened.

All the stuff about "Serafi was a drama queen behind the scenes" or "V&U is a black company" doesn't matter in the end, because the current state of things is likely to remain the final state of things. Unless, of course, V&U wants to do something really funny.

>>72352465
Look at this very board. Nobody believes V&U did anything wrong except for schizos. She's totally fucked because her story is so unbelievable.

>>72354587
>>72354630
Like someone else said, I’m pretty sure sure that’s a general expenses and they said that it was an estimate anyway (presumably they would have negotiated what they would have actually charged her with had Serafi not ghosted them), not the final number like Serafi and LM tried to claim.

>>72355415
Serafi did not ghost them, she directed them to handle all communication through her lawyer. This is completely normal.

>>72354600
>your schizo rrats are complete bullshit
But why are you mad though even it's just a schizo rrat bullshit? You said it yourself that the evidence is out there. How baffling.

>>72355383
>Nobody believes V&U are in the right except for bootlickers.
ftfy

V&U will never pursue a legal case against her.

She won. Time to apologize.

>What is more likely to happen is that V&U would try and sue in the US, get told by a lawyer "look, you have no case, just settle", and either settle openly to save face, or just peace out and try to pretend the whole thing never happened.
>All the stuff about "Serafi was a drama queen behind the scenes" or "V&U is a black company" doesn't matter in the end, because the current state of things is likely to remain the final state of things.
You know what? Even if I personally think that V&U’s in the right and that Serafi’s actions are entirely malicious, I gotta commend you for being the most impartial post I’ve seen in this entire thread and I think the scenario you envisioned is the most likely outcome.

>>72355244
She isn't a CEO making hundreds of millions. They are paying her far less than minimum wage. $450K is just straight out, especially when the highest penalty for early withdrawal that her contract describes is $20K.

In fact, that's a particular sort of fraud called "extortion". She could file a criminal complaint, potentially get someone at V&U extradited, which is something the US is prone to do in cases of extortion.

>>72355656
It'd be more fun if they did though

>>72355415
>They would've negotiated
>They would've negotiated $450,000
You can buy 4 houses with that much money. What would they negotiate on?
>Oh out of the goodness of our hearts we are willing to ask for 10% of this. Just pay use $50,000 to leave and never use our IP again
Why would they get $50,000 for doing nothing but harassing someone?

>>72355359
>What is more likely to happen is that V&U would try and sue in the US, get told by a lawyer "look, you have no case, just settle", and either settle openly to save face, or just peace out and try to pretend the whole thing never happened.
>All the stuff about "Serafi was a drama queen behind the scenes" or "V&U is a black company" doesn't matter in the end, because the current state of things is likely to remain the final state of things.
You know what? Even if I personally think that V&U’s in the right and that Serafi’s actions are entirely malicious, I gotta commend you for being the most impartial post I’ve seen in this entire thread and I think the scenario you envisioned is the most likely outcome.

>>72355744
>He replied to himself

>>72355359
i hope they try something really funny.
imagine seeing a korean black corpo honcho going to prison in america. that’ll make headlines in korea and maybe put those who like to hand out slavery contracts on notice.

>>72355244
You can't sue employees because they quit or do a bad job.

>>72355415
As someone else pointed out, they gave her the $450K estimate firsts. She then asked for an itemized invoice of how much she would have to pay to leave amicably, and they gave her that beast. She then said all future communications should go through her lawyer, who told her to ignore it.

It's not estimated damages for a court case, it's how much she has to pay to terminate amicably.

>>72347626
fifth gen?! How the fuck do they expect to debut a 5th gen when their members aren't even reaching 1 finana?!
Fucking what growth? Did the drama make them go from a potential 2view to a guranteed 2view?

>>72355359
that's what i want V&U to try to do though, companies won't learn until they get burned.
Hope this makes them realize cross-border contract stuff needs to be taken care of more carefully especially since all of them work from home (country)

>>72355876
>You can't sue employees because they quit
It's called breach of contract. If she doesn't perform, she is in breach of contract and is liable for all the fees and costs associated with preparing for her performance.

>>72355481
the document from op says they she actually did just ghost them

>>72355909
>when their members aren't even reaching 1 finana
Fuck off, Nijinigger

>>72355909
that how Korean entertainment work, just get more trainee, debut more until you get a golden goose.

>>72355808
>>They would've negotiated $450,000
>You can buy 4 houses with that much money.
where

>>72356045
Fucking gut that shit. And then they pay fuck all, give her a dogshit ugly model, and expect her to pay 450k USD to quit?
This is just complete financial incompetence, what the fuck. Nothing about this makes sense.

>>72356124
Anywhere that's 1+ hours out of a major metro area. Except Idaho, which is flush with Seattle and Portland refugees buying up everything outside Boise.

>>72355415
It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't matter. She lives in the states and this bullshit would be laughed out of court and probably end up with v&u catching charges. They should shut up and walk away. Stick to hiring Koreans to whom the slave contracts might hold up.

>>72355244
No, sorry, you're a lunatic. Quitting your job is not "defrauding" your employer. Slavery is not legal in Korea. You're an idiot that doesn't know what fraud is. If anything, the fraud is coming from V&U which is trying to extort USD $450,000, a ridiculous sum. There is no chance they spent more than $20k-$30k on her tops.

Despite all their big talk, there isn't going to be a lawsuit. They would be laughed out of court.

>>72355383
lol, no one believes V&U is in the right except for unhinged, raving crackpots like you who can't read and don't understand the law.

>>72355383
Yeah, it's just Clowman's Jakarta's "anti black company" warriors and mind you these warriors are just kids and being manipulated through steam gift cards or someshit. Imagine being an adult and using these kids for your personal gain. It's not so different from grooming kids. Utterly disgusting.

Makes me wonder what Lofi and the twins's contract looks like.

>>72356152
apparently trainee that failed their debut have to pay for the cost of training is a common thing I heard.

Not sure cause I'm not a K-pop stant (I hate them)

>>72356218
God I fucking hate Korea.

>>72356218
Sounds like a great scam

>>72355383
V&U probably has hired astroturfers here. The parent company is involved in KPOP, so inciting crazy fans is hardly something they're alien to. They also clearly have copied notes from the Nijisanji playbook, and you should know how that goes by now if you've been paying any attention.
On top of that, a lot of Serafi's supporters have no reason to pursue further discussion on the matter, reducing her vocal support on the board. When you consider that, we now likely have a scenario where corporate shills are arguing against almost exclusively intrigued (but uninvolved) 3rd parties...which is very dangerous for the corporation that is being shilled. Most people that fall under "intrigued 3rd party" are going to either be dramafags (that can sniff out drama from 50 threads away) or retards interested in the industry goings-on on a macro level (read: wider scope dramafags). Neither group is likely to be deterred by opposition, but in fact spurred on by it. People don't fight when they think there's nothing at stake.
Smartest shit to do would've been to have the shills admit shit went south, try to play it off as neutral (instead of smearing the talent), and then quickly and quietly sweeping it under the rug.

>>72356216
Tbh, i also wonder how Cover contract works.

But consider they are a tech company and their initial for Hololive is like they are only there to provide tech support and other kinds of stuff.
I don't think it can be at the level of an Idol contract.

>>72356218
>stant
You mean stan. How fucking ESL are you?

>>72356193

>>72355656
Isn't this the girl who got sent dick pics by her viewers and admitted on stream that she found one of them "actually pretty nice"?

>>72356377
I don't care about Serafii, i only want to see a company related to SM Entertainment burn.

>>72356377
The big thing is that fucking invoice. It's so ludicrous that anything else about this case absolutely does not matter anymore. That company is clearly evil to even joke about sending such a thing as a legal document.

>>72351127
>If you invest $450,000 into a company and then the company tried to declare bankruptcy, you would also sue them to get your money back.
They should be suing for some fraction of the amount they contracted her for, then. Which is the 2500+500/month. You cant invest in a company and then have them declare bankruptcy and then ask them to pay you back the time you spent with your accountant deciding to invest in the company.

>>72356377
A lot of these microcorps keep trying to go nuclear on ex-talents. You'd think they'd have learned a lesson from watching Nijisanji implode.

>>72356200
It’s his what, 13th? 14th attempt at turning people to his crackwhore’s side for his crusade?

>>72356377
i can guarantee you thta 90% of people arguing on this topic didnt even know that this vtuber and this company existed a few days ago

>>72356419
A lot, but it is also because I tend to make minor spelling mistakes like that.
there also case of I can't catch up to the current generation of slang for thing I don't care.

>>72351127
How the fuck could she EVER pay back 450k with that godawful equipment and complete lack of an audience? If any moron seriously invested 450k and ended up with a fucking MSPaint quality model airing to under 100 fucking viewers, they should be taken out back and shot.

>>72355929
>>72355873
Nah, companies like this are going to take the path of least resistance.
They'll just go back to who they can easily exploit, while trying to pretend nothing's wrong. So, basically, they'll stop hiring non-Koreans.

>>72356426
I am aware of that problem, but the legality of those contracts is highly questionable. What happens is a lot of these people get scared and don't have the money or knowledge to hire a Korean lawyer to argue the case for them, and they usually just knuckle under.

The situation with Serafi is a bit different because she's also in another country and caught the interest of Legal Mindset, who (correctly) brought this to the attention of the wider vTubing sphere.

>>72356664
Fucking good. Keep those dogshit practices out of the west. We have enough of our own worker exploitation, thank you.

is the 450k wrong though? i mean yes it is based on the itemized list, but if this drama sinks the company and endangers all the money invested in all the other talents then that might be the value of the total damage she ends up doing

>>72356644
>a fucking MSPaint quality model
anon i dont know what to make of this, but i think that their models are way better than nijisanjis...

>>72356716
nah there will be always dumb teenagers (boy/girl) who want to be the next BTS, SNSD, or Black Pink and dive their head first into those companies.

>>72356559
Feel free to screenshot your memberships, across 4 gens you should have several you're paying for.

>>72356377
>make a thread about "WAAAH! WAAAH! BLACK CORPO!"
>Astrosurf the thread by manipulating kids with gift cards to astrosurf it to look Clownman and Serapee are the victims
>Suprises that someone will come and post against their narratives
WAAAH! WAAAH! Why Vnuggies astrosurfing this thread!!!

>>72356664
I think all Asian corpos trying to hire from the west should do that. Seems like its always more work than they can handle.

>>72356761
That's not a very high bar, anon.
>>72356559
Anon she had a fucking ccv of like 3. Fucking NOBODY knew who she was.

>>72356760
>is the 450k wrong though
Yes.

>but if this drama sinks the company and endangers all the money invested
If they die because of this drama it's entirely their own fault for prolonging and increasing said drama.

Also, just because your business loses money doesn't give you the right to sue your former contractors for your losses.

>>72356886
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>72356760
GOOD. That's called the consequences of their own fucktarded actions, bootlicker-oppa.

>>72356760
>Person A calls me a stinky-poo-poo-head
>I get so mad about the thing Person A said that I crash my car full-speed into my house, totaling both and putting me in the hospital
>Person A now owes me the full value of my car, my house, and my hospital bills because "thats the total damage they did"
Not how it works

>>72356760
that'd be like getting fined by the government for that amount, then demanding your victim of all people to recoup your losses

There's need to be an international vtuber union.

Fuck the vtuber sphere, this shit would make GREAT content on normie drama channels. I'm honestly stunned they're still pursuing this.

>>72356886
Which do you think is more likely, on a pure probability standpoint?
>A Korean entertainment company, backed by two other Korean entertainment companies, directly involved with SME, and deep in the KPop scene, are bribing people to make themselves look good to their prospective customer base.
or
>A group of randoms on the internet that like a very niche and mostly unknown streamer of a Korean company are bribing people to make her look good to other randoms on the internet.
Where's the motivation here?

This thread is a disaster.

>>72357003
I have not been following this from the beginning but,
how exactly did we come to know about this thing:
Was it a termination notice like in Niji's case or
Was it the vtuber herself?

>>72356861
NTA but

>makes investment on the wrong talent based on poor judgement
>demands investment back

That's not how investment works.

>>72351475
oh another day of:
>WAAAH! WAAAH! DONT CWITICIZE MY BWACK COMPANY!

>>72354587
Translation issues make sense and the itemized bill business stuff I'd put that down to their lawyer again thinking its acceptable.

I think the simplest explanation is V&Us lawyer has 39IQ.

Management are being fed complete horseshit about the legal situation due to this and acting on that advice.
Serafi was hearing about the purported legal situation for her to leave from V&U who were hearing about it from their 39IQ lawyer.
When the 450k invoice came that is the point she felt it serious enough to have to go to a lawyer herself rather than trusting the companies claims and this is where she found out legally it was all scribbled in crayon.
Her response is 'oh I get it, your just threatening me with this, I dont actually owe shit talk to my lawyer in future. BLUFF CALLED'
V&U see this as her going menhera and threatening them to dodge her legal requirements, she sees it as V&U threatening her with a bunch of extortion and scare tactics.

This gives us effectively a single point of failure due to one person in V&Us structure being a retard rather than outright malicious that leads to this situation

>>72357199
in this case vtuber herself was the spark

>>72357294
No, what fucking translation error causes them to send her a 450k USD invoice? seriously, what the fuck?

>>72357152
They need to prove they are the alpha.

>>72357199
The company refused to announce her graduation, so fans learned about it from a post on the official discord by one of her mods. Weeks later they made an official announcement about it. It's even worse than Niji in this case.

Btw, they're still selling her merch: https://shop.geekjack.net/collections/solstice

>>72357424
She asked for total costs and fees, not a termination fee.

really?, a kr corpo think they can get anything from anybody at the us?, kek, here a little bit of a redpill, the price to pay for being a military aligned puppet state is that you will be its unconditional bitch forever, you are not winning a battle in their territory, step back and accept your place, thats the only way to go.

>>72357513
It's still fucking bullshit. How the fuck could they have possibly invested that much money into a talent with absolutely no results? Did they fucking embezzle it all like all the goddamn koreans are known for?

>>72351899
based
>>72357188
paid corpo shills do that, they have all day to shit up threads

>>72357486
>Btw, they're still selling her merch
>click the link
>they are not actually selling it
huh?

>>72357175
She already confirmed that she browses this place several times. It wouldn’t be out of the question for her to send her mod to lead her personal army of Jakartan kids to raid this place among other sites

>>72357603
Fuck, is that why the sisters are doing this? They're just arguing in bad faith because they're literally paid to as actual employees, not just kpop teenagers fueled by hormones?

>>72357590
She embezzled it.

>>72357755
>sisters
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it does.

>>72357486
No they are not???
All her merch is marked as SOLD OUT and you cannot buy them anymore

>>72357886
You’re expecting ClownGuy to argue in good faith, that was your first mistake.

>>72357629
You mean the merch with her on it? That you can buy right now?

>>72357870
No, I'm actually wondering about the nijisisters now, not the VNU stuff. I should've been more specific.

>>72358053
its all marked as sold out, i cant buy anything with her besides the one item that has the other girl on it too.

>>72357730
Serafi now has a personal army of sea kiddies? That's what you're going with?

>>72358053
It's sold out. So technically you can't.

>>72358125
Nijisisters are different, they literally get paid in steam gift cards to brigade /here/. Not joking, picrel.

>>72357820
It was always right there, staring us in the face the whole time.

>>72356475
>>72351899
What's wrong with SM Entertainment? or, What do they have to do with this?

>>72358369
In what world is this model worth even a fraction of 450k... God it's hideous.

Why are all these guys so angry at a woman?

>>72358155
/vnug/ had to deal with wave after wave of threadshitters for days on end the moment that Serafi started this whole thing. If that doesn’t sound like someone sending their personal army to raid this place, I don’t know what does

>>72358439
Kpop black company. Just read their controversies on Wikipedia.
It's full of the same kind of shit, many talents suing just to get out of their unlawful contracts. This kind of shit looks standard in Korea.

>>72358581
>trusting Wikipedia
No thanks, fag.

>>72358661
>actual kpop stan
Alright retard I hope you actually move to Korea to suck black corpo dick for real

>>72358493
Hoo boy, the korean gender war is a fucking WILD rabbit hole, I highly recommend diving in. It's fucking manic what's going on over there.

>>72357060
You know what I'm talking about.
>>72357175
For me I think Serafi is more on the bad side, I don't condone of how VnU doing things but also I am not a fan of how Serafi handled this. Serafi could handle this thing through communicating with VnU through their lawyers. But instead she and her cohorts posting these threads astrosurfing which screams to me that she's desperate and assuming is on the losing side. Also Let's say surely Serafi is harming the company's reputation by exposing them. But what about the possibility of Serafi potentially harming VnU talents in the future who's innocent and nothing to do with her? Those talents just want to be a vtuber, do their hobbies and earn money. She just want to dragged a lot of people together with her shit. This thread doesn't seek justice. This thread is garbage!

>>72357424
Im saying its more like

>Serafi: I want to quit
>Management: Serafi wants to quit, this is bad for us (obviously), lawyer isn't she under contract whats the status?
>(dumb lawyer): yeah shes under contract, since we are losing money there are penalties for leaving so dont worry about it.
>Management: Ok that sounds like it makes sense, sort it out.
>(dumb lawyer): Ok
>(dumb Lawyer): Serafi so like we spent like 450k on and tangentially related to you, since we're down that you need to pay it to make us whole if you want to leave.
Serafi goes to her own laywer who realizes the contract is a bunch of crap and that this is obviously not the case.
>Serafi: This not true you are trying to threaten me and I have called your bluff, talk to my lawyer in future.
>Dumb lawyer: yeah so serafi is refusing to pay what she owes us and is refusing any further contact and threatening a lawsuit, shes completely menhera.
>Management: Well I guess that makes sense, your the lawyer. Obviously we are owed compensation for our losses here since shes breaking the contract obligations your assuring us shes under.

>>72357513
She asked for an itemized invoice describing the $450K they said she had to pay to terminate the contract amicably.

>>72358542
/vnug/ is full of retards who spend months responding to every jazzpost ever made, so any association with that shitpile is a negative to me.

>>72358988
Twenty two THOUSAND dollars for "etc"
No. They don't deserve a single bit of sympathy.
The talents are getting absolutely no benefit from being in that dogshit company. They'd all benefit from being indie, you moron.

>>72358988
Nothing I’ve heard from Seraphi has anything to do with any of the other livers, I don’t even know their names

>>72359157
The lawyer is still the legal representative for the company. His words are their words. This is entirely on the company for not even attempting to clear up the misunderstanding and fucking doubling down on legal action after being called out publicly. Absolutely no sympathy for this shit.

>>72359216
>The talents are getting absolutely no benefit from being in that dogshit company.
this is something that i was thinking about. why are they staying there if there is no benefit and someone just literally walked away? they clearly are not getting a lot of viewers, so there has to be some kind of benefit for staying instead of just burning down the company.

I like how the shills are actually trying to justify the $450k bill. May as well argue that she deserves to be executed for being a bad minimum wage employee, rumao

>>72355996
retard

>>72359468
The only reason I can possibly think of to stay is because if you leave they slap you with a fucking half million dollar fine. This isn't a "haha they made an oopsie" this is a FUCKING EXTRADITE THE CEO AND FLOG HIM ON LIVE TV yab.

One difference between V&U and Nijisanji is that V&U has virtually no domestic (korean) fanbase. They only have one native korean speaker, 1 korean-american who speaks it well and one who is still learning (+ whatever gen 5's bear is). 95% or more of their viewers are overseas, so ideally they should be more mindful of how their actions appear in the global sphere.

>>72345822
>Despite cries of "imitating Doki", Serafi was trying to leave the company on February 2nd, before Doki's termination notice was posted.
She literally said herself that she was inspired by the Doki shit

>>72359587
i mean, serafi demonstrated that they cant do shit, no? so half a million dollar "fine" is hardly a reason to stay.

>>72359643
Yes, Doki gave her courage. And I hope it gives courage to plenty of other people being completely assraped by exploitative, dogshit companies.

>>72359643
So she's not just a LYING WHORE WHO DESTROYED GEN 5 but also a time traveler?

>>72359468
Need to earn cash while getting a new model to redebut as an indie. VnU doesn't provide the numbers.

>>72359736
Serafi should truly follow her step by step and try to hero herself too, twice.

>>72359643
V&U themselves said in their termination announcement that she initiated graduation process 4 days before Selen's termination notice went public.
It makes no sense for them to cover for her like that, so the conflicting info here is probably just a miscommunication on what constitutes "initiating graduation process".
Or you can presume that Serafi is a time traveler somehow, and got inspired by events that had not yet happened.

>>72359597
weird how they're called the korean vtubers general when /lig/ gets more genuine discussion of KRs

>>72358988
Fuck off Liora

>>72359740
Shes clearly the devil in disguise. Her crimes make hitler look like a shoplifter.

>>72359899
Serafis crimes are taking a huge black cock while you watched funnyman.

>>72359853
I cant wait for koreans to all die out lmfao

>>72359736
fuck no, shes dragging dokis name through the mud. that bitch is a dramawhore that only used doki as the popular thing to rally behind. shes clearly taking notes from sayu with how shes chasing drama channels to validate herself. doki just fucked off from this filth to do her own thing instead of courting legal mindset or falseeyed.

>>72359658
They basically say they are going to sue. I mean, they're not, because no lawyer will take up a case that will be immediately laughed out of court and put his client at risk of criminal extortion charges to boot, but the remaining talents don't necessarily know that.

>>72359853
Show us how it's done. Maybe you can pull it off in just one attempt.

>>72360009
Kill yourself you dumb korean insectoid.

>>72360004
I can't wait for Serafi to hero herself when the lawsuit forces her to sell her house she got from her dead grandma to afford the lawyer fees.

>>72360022
>but the remaining talents don't necessarily know that
do you really believe it

>>72360055
Sorry fag, not as talented as quitting as Serafi.

>>72360009
I don't even know enough korean slurs to hurl at you to make me satisfied. I'll just call you a retarded bootlicker instead.

>>72360123
Nice fanfic faggot kek

>>72360136
I would not be surprised nor place blame if several of them are scared shitless, which was the intent of the ludicrous move to begin with.

>>72360123
I'd fucking LOVE for Korea to try to have this lawsuit play out in the EU. They'd get extradited so fucking fast and banned from half the planet.

>>72360194
>not as talented as quitting
Not talented at english either huh?

>>72360253
nice drama whore cock gobbler oshi you have faggot kek

>>72359939
>while you watched funnyman
Idk who your boogeyman is, black corpo cock sucker-oppa

>>72360087
maybe keep doki out of these grifters then and fuck off to nyfco or wherever you pakistani sisters came from

>>72360322
Why is your oshi a korean company? Go watch vtubers and brush up on your duolingo kek

>>72360317
hur dur ESL fag hur dur he doesn't know english hur dur do what Serafi should have done and shut the fuck up pussy

>>72351127
No, this is the risk you take on as a company investing in an employee. Pick people that you can fuck over in the Korean court system if you want to lower your risk, or just be more willing to work with and make your investments happy.

>>72359740
>>72359860
Bros, she literally said herself that she was inspired by the Doki situation. She might've had her own reasons for leaving before it happened but it's a direct statement from her that the Doki situation inspired her to do what she did after that fact. So you can take your snarky "woah she mustve been a time traveler!!" quip and shove them up her ass, not mine, cause she's the one who said it, I'm just correcting the record here.

>>72360380
you're really going all out for our $5 kimchi coupon

>>72360430
It's too sad. These buckbroken koreans apparently can't even grasp the concept of saying no to a "superior." let alone getting courage from watching someone else escape a similar position.
Fuck, I hate this industry.

>>72360380
Is this you? Bowl cut smelly lunch kid lmao

How is this thread still going?
Are anons really that invested in the wellbeing of a no name pissant gook company, that's going to be shitcanned by their geopolitical masters anyway?

>>72360588
who?

>>72360430
but but but bros she said she was inspired by the vtuber that went through one of the worst situations possible and not for clout! I swear she has pure intentions!. Shut up faggot loser.

>>72359216
>They'd all benefit from being indie, you moron
Retard read again of what you post, if indies benefits from being indie they won't join the corpos that's why Serafi join a corpo in the first place because being indie didn't benefit her that much. You are doing a poor job defending Serafi here. Hey, Clownman you there? This kid is doing a poor job here, don't give him his gift cards!!!

>>72360430
I don't give a fuck what she said.
The company that fucking terminated her contract said it happened earlier than she is saying it did.
This is a screenshot of the document that V&U put out.
I don't understand this fucking argument.

I’m so glad my grandfather got to shoot koreans, barbeque their children and fuck their women lmao, you bugs are truly pathetic.

>>72360588
It's vnu astroturfs and fishermen out here. Come join the fun.

are amerimutt/anglo monkeys making trouble again? foreign companies shouldnt hire anyone from anglo woke states unless they are loyal weebs. they only act like naughty monkeys

>>72360738
Did you finish your entire bowl of pagpag already chingbingding?

>>72360588
If I had to guess? It's because the person speaking out is a woman.
Koreans are so fucking sexist and insecure they make 4chan look like a feminist movement. According to them, all of these fucking images are actually feminazis making fun of their ridiculously tiny penises. They've torched animation studios because they thought that a woman who didn't even work on the animation they were upset about retweeted a sexist statement that they then deleted later 10 fucking years ago.

>>72360738
Tell em, oppa! They should only hire the most buckbroken, subservient slaves possible!

>>72359736
The difference between Doki and Serafi, is Doki only harmed the perpetrators while Serafi harming also the innocent talents that had nothing to do with her. Bunch of delusionals

>>72360782
you amerimutt monkeys should work to build your anglo indie utopia. it will be win-win for everyone in the world. im just pointing out a fact that you monkeys cant work with any foreign companies anymore.

>>72360662
Did you see the numbers she was pulling? or were your eyes too glued to your micropenis to notice that all of the money they allegedly invested in her had absolutely no fucking results?

>>72360937
>quitting harms people
go suck korean rikus cock lmao

Kpop stan are a mistake. They farm views, hire armies of astroturfers and twittermob to cancel anyone they don't like. Imagine seeing faggots defend a vantablack company /here/ of all places. Fucking disgusting.

>>72360937
Like fuck she did. There is no world in which that invoice is justified. This is all a product of their own bad decisions. If they wanted the talents to actually grow and be a success, maybe they should have actually used their money wisely instead of pissing it away or fucking embezzling it.

Japan really needs to pay Korea another visit, these bugman shills deserve it

If the company isn't actually going to sue, then nothing happens. What's the point of all this then?

>>72360937
Haha nigger you are a retard
>>72361157
Koreans pretending their shitty half country is relevant when they cant even conquer the north lmfao.

>>72361133
Maybe they'll take each other out. Hopefully they get China mainland taken out as collateral too.

>>72360688
My guess is she had her own reasons for wanting to leave and the Doki situation inspired her to speak out about it and act how she acted after the fact. Obviously it wouldn't have inspired her initial leave for what you're correctly saying, it happened after that had begun. But it is a fact that she was inspired by her to act the way she did, therefore "Despite cries of "imitating Doki", Serafi was trying to leave the company on February 2nd, before Doki's termination notice was posted" is a moot point. She literally was imitating Doki, or inspired by her, or "got confidence" from her, or however you want to word it, in her actions in her return after she had left.

>>72360937
poorly worded, but you've done enough to earn your $5 kimchi coupon

>>72360980
>you monkeys cant work with any foreign companies anymore
Humble yourself goat trader boy, they can't work with us anymore.

>>72360808
Its honestly amazing how Korean fans can be more schizophrenic or menhera than the Japanese...

>>72361157
What part of
>pursue legal actions
did you not understand?

>>72359872
I am not Liora tho. Kid, you see. You're doing a poor job here. Do you know what will happen if Clownman sees this? It means no more gift cards for you.

>>72361229
She originally wanted to leave in 2023 but was convinced by management to stay, according to her new years stream. It's clear that whatever they did to convince her to keep going was still actually fucking her over anyways, so she went back to the graduation plan.

For fuck's sake, her donothon had goals in 50 dollar increments. What kind of pathetic bullshit is that for a company that supposedly put HALF A FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS into you?

>>72361308
I dont understand how some micropenis even more effeminate chinks think theyre gonna go sue an american kek

>>72361308
Their broke ass can't and won't

>>72361229
It was my understanding that the basis of the argument that she's "imitating Doki" is that her entire graduation is only fueled by the fact that she saw Doki get away with it. Which can't be true, according to V&U themselves.
However, if we're moving the goalposts to say "her more blatant and openly aggressive actions after being stealth graduated are inspired by Doki", then yes, I can concur with that argument. However, this is clearly not a story of "girl thinks she can get away with smearing a company because a more famous vtuber did it".

>>72361325
well written. you've earned your $5 kimchi coupon

I don't really care about any of this, but what I find interesting is that it seems like Vtuber companies are retarded and they write unenforceable contracts that are unfit for use even as toilet paper. I'm assuming hololives and phases are better. Idol too probably cus the owner is Jewish.

>>72361386
They publicly announced in no uncertain terms that they will attempt to use this woman.
It's absolutely laughable. I really, really hope they try. Someone's getting extradited to the EU and it's going to be hilarious to watch that play out.

>>72345822
>>Statement from alien_mixture re: above
>https://twitter.com/alien_mixture/status/1772632096219214180
what the fuck is this? she cant even keep her own story consistent lol

>>72361465
>EU
?

>>72361471
How poor is the average korean that being a paid shill is enough to cover their bug cube rent?

>>72361423
90% of problems in the business world are a result of somebody not reading shit they really should have read.
The last 10% are people reading and thinking they're above being held to contracts and laws.

>>72360588
Here's why >>72356200

Whatever his faults may be, Quinn was right about the Koreans.

>>72359597
>>72359868
Amoria love, but yes it's been brought up before that the thread shouldn't include korean vtubers due to said reasons

>>72361325
Hey, maybe you should try investing in another tiny blimp. I bet this time the guy you crowdfund won't run off with all the fucking money again and leave you with such a pathetic billboard that nobody could even read your shrimpcock threats.

>>72361406
nta but theres literally 0 parallels between doki and this girl

>>72361406
My only logical assumption is that if people were decrying her imitating Doki it was because she made accusations about them. Sorta like how people said Pochi was imitating Doki by talking shit about "NotStarbucks" on her roommate before her graduation was actually announced.

>>72361626
What's the lore on that blimp

>>72361622
It's a remnant from back when /vnug/ first started out and was sufficiently Korean enough for the then-/nijiKR/ people to propose a thread merge to survive the catalog

>>72361157
First off, they claim they are going to sue in an apparent effort to scare the ever living shit out of the remaining vtubers.

...and then there's the fact that they tried to scare the ever living shit out of this chuuba to begin with.

Terrorism through extortion is not the sort of behavior we want to allow the companies that our various oshis belong to partake in, whether they actually follow through with it or not. It is the sort of criminally bad behavior in need of being shut down before it's viewed as acceptable.

Granted, so is this shit where you drag the parting talent's name through the mud in an effort to make sure they can never work again before you let them go. Just cite "creative differences" or some shit, wish them luck in their future endeavors, and let them go. If you want to warn other companies, don't provide reference, simple as. We do not need nor want a carefully itemized list of all their sins that seems to contain a bunch of lies nearly every time.

>>72360990
>WAAAH! WAAAH! SHE'S PULLING THE NUMBERS!!!

>>72360009
Critical hit

>>72361675
i hate how people use doki as a comparison when they act like sayu

>>72361005
>WAAAH! WAAAH! WAAAH! GO SUCK GOOK DICK!

>>72361386
Their actually tied to a very large media conglomerate named Metaro, they aren't broke and could easily call upon that company's legal resources to pull shit. (Though, yes, I suspect they'd refuse as it'd put the company in criminal waters in addition to being fruitless regardless of how much money they throw at it.)

>>72361890
Lmao newfag bug cant even greentext

>>72361205
>WAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAH! NIGGER!

>>72361861
Maybe it'd be better to call them "Doki wannabes" rather than "acting like Doki"

>>72361958
* They're even... I swear I'm not SEA.

im beginning to think that sisters made severe damage to anons on this board and successfully made them fight each other. women are scary.

>>72361626
>WAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! BILLBOARD!

>>72361890
>>72362009
Kek korean seething is through the roof

>>72361694
Koreans were so pissed that a new genshin girl wasn't sexy enough that they bitched and moaned at mihoyo to change it and make her sexier. Mihoyo told them to fuck off. Since they couldn't march up to Mihoyo in China like they do to all of the other korean companies they love to bully, they crowdfunded a guy to buy a blimp to put a bunch of their complaints on and fly it over Mihoyo HQ for a few days. The guy ran off with 90% of the money and bought a blimp so small nobody could read it, which is hilariously fitting for that tiny cock country. The chinese obviously saw it and laughed so fucking hard that they turned it into a meme to bash over the koreans' heads with.

>>72362081
Girl tried to quit on Feb 2nd, before Doki's termination.

>>72361987
>WAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! Lmao newfag bug cant even greentext!

>>72362156
I already explained this point

>>72362185

>>72362121
>WAAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! korean seething is through the roof!!!

>>72362217
Then how is she a "Doki wannabe"?

>>72362258
>WAAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! *INSERT KOREAN KID CRYING IMAGE"!!!!!!

>>72362290
Because she saw Doki's situation and it inspired her to make a public dramabait fuss about her own one, as she said herself

Holy shit we mindbroke that korean bugman lmfao

>>72362259
good job kiddo. you've earned your $5 kimchi coupon

>>72362366
>WAAAAAH! WAAAAAH! WAAAAH! good job kiddo. you've earned your $5 kimchi coupon!!!

What the average korean deserves

She was emboldened to continue the termination she already was in the process of by Doki. She didn't just see Doki, then grab her time machine and go back to start the process going.
I don't understand how this is hard to grasp.

>>72362505
>WAAAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAAH! What the average korean deserves!!!!

>>72360009
The fact that she had the gall to compare herself to Doki by calling her former employers “Baby Ninisanji” only to immediately backpedal afterwards as if she expected us to believe that the Doki drama wasn’t the only reason people talk about Niji anymore is almost as funny as her spiel about “not wanting to send harassment and hate to the girls or the company” while also dragging their name through the mud a few hours after they debuted their fifth gen (who, once again, had absolutely nothing to do with this) and sending her army of SEA kids to sabotage the company and raid this place, Discord and Twitter with harassment messages.

>>72359468
Wow, it’s almost like the company isn’t that bad after all all and Serafi’s full of shit.

>>72362642
Lmao okay bug, go defend your oshi the company.

>>72362688
nta but lets not pretend that anyone here watches them lmao

>>72362346
>WAAAAH! WAAAAAH! WAAAAAAH! Holy shit we mindbroke that korean bugman lmfao!!!!

>>72345822
Feel bad for the gook company. Never hire a western woke cretin. They only complain and sperg out in fake victimhood

>>72362642
>>72362568
OH NO GET DOWN

>>72362338
So she just tricked her company into trying to fine her half a million dollars and then suing her over it for clout?

Not that it isn't basically paying her in exposure as soon as it comes out.

>>72362826
I guess we'll be baking and bumping another V&U thread after this one dies. They clearly dislike it.

>>72362346
Lol, who's mindbroken? you guys stopped replying to me.

>>72362568
>while also dragging their name through the mud
Unlike the Doki situation, neither the company nor she has said anything to suggests other talents are in any way involved or to blame. This should have been over the 2nd of February, it's the company that dragged it out and came up with a $450K bill.

...and I doubt a girl making $500/mo can afford to hire "army of SEA kids to sabotage the company and raid this place"...

...Unlike, say a company belonging to Metaro with ties to SM Entertainment.

>>72362953
wait you don't sound like a kimchi raider give that coupon back right now

>>72363039
Which makes it so fucking baffling that they mentioned how her actions were hurting other talents... Fucking what? She's hurting the other talents by trying to get the fuck out while they send her the easiest fucking pay day a european lawyer has ever seen?

>>72355359
this is the one sensible post in the entire thread, and it about sums the situation up

Was Serafi a bitch? It doesn't matter, she won. Her reputation might be fucked but she won

>>72363039
They do it for free, just like jannies

>>72361958
>very large media conglomerate named Metaro
I don't know where you get that from

>>72363223
<- Their website.

V&U is owned by Metaro
https://www.metaro.co.kr/
Metaro owns a metaverse portfolio and an NFT portfolio. Korean Conglomorates like Metaro are known by reputation to send paid shills to support their businesses and attack workers who criticize them. This may be what is happening /here/ because V&U is too small to have a fanbase proportion that would even care to defend their company like that.

See the 1-9-90 internet lurker rule:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule

V&U is too poor to issue a lawsuit. Some of their streamers are 2views, and apparently, 1views in the single digits. This must be a Metaro-ordered lawsuit from above. Metaro might be used to threatening Korean employees with outrageous fees and bogus lawsuits towards Korean employees who fear being blacklisted from the Korean entertainment industry and other Korean industries. Metaro is likely out of touch with how their abusive behavior would be received by non-Koreans and dispatched paid shills, who work to defend various Metaro entertainment properties, online by arguing in bad faith to try and form astroturfed consensuses.

>>72363612
Oh this sounds juicy. Maybe the next thread should be called /450K/ Shitty Korean Corpo General.

>>72363219
Bitch is barely at 0.1 finanas, she doesn't have large enough a fan base to raid this place.

>>72363825
Someone else can do it... I'm holding off until there's new news on the subject, such as V&U (or Metaro) actually taking legal action, or a settlement.

>>72363612
You misunderstood me, I'm not asking whether V&U is owned by Metaro, I'm asking where do you get the idea of Metaro being a "very large media conglomerate". I think you might have mixed it up with SM entertainment (that Metaro has worked with before) which IS a huge entertainment agency. I also don't think V&U has seen 1views outside its very early days. From what I can tell they're mostly high 2views and low 3views

>>72363931
Ah, yeah I guess that's fair. She isn't even streaming today. Maybe I'll make one later when she comes back so it's relevant.

>>72362568
>The fact that she had the gall to compare herself to Doki by calling her former employers “Baby Ninisanji”
I think its more that she has issues with the corpo being a blatant ACCELERATE scam where at the time of the fifth gen's debut they had more employed talents than all corporate + management + support combined.

>>72364120
>they had more employed talents than all corporate + management + support combined
I think the last time they brought up their staff number it's at 50+ compared to 10 talents (then) and 18 talents now

>>72355359
>All of this is completely irrelevant because international contract law is very cut and dry here: The jurisdiction goes to the defendant's jurisdiction
Didn't she agree to international arbitration in Korean Commercial Arbitration Board according to Article 10?

>>72364281
You can just count the people in their financials leak.

>>72364372
Do we know if it includes the entire staff?

>>72345822
Just realized this is the same corpo who i've been getting nonstop ads for on the youtube shorts feed. If the recent debuts whove been spamming my shorts feed quit over this thatll kill me kek.

>>72364281
She took her complaints and inquiries about the ACCELERATION plan to the her manager, who was apparently working for ten other talents at the time and, like the other three managers they put her through over time, had zero previous experience. When she asked if it was wise to be "pulling a Niji", he replied with, "It's a plan."

>>72364543
I'm not questioning whether V&U is (was?) debuting at an alarming speed since we can see how close the debut dates of gen 3 to 5 are (you can probably find some discussion about it in /vnug/ during the time, especially with how botched gen 4's debut is), I just want to know where the numbers come from since it doesn't seem to align with the sources I know

>>72364744
gonna go out on a limb and say they didn't know about the 50 employee thing since IIRC that was from a livestream that I don't think anyone in here watched

>>72364305
Contracts can't overwrite laws, international or otherwise. You're not allowed to sign away your rights anywhere those rights actually exist.

>>72364744
I'm not sure where you'd go for accurate numbers. Their web page doesn't seem much use for that. She claims the manager was working for ten other talents, though the $450K invoice suggests there are multiple managers working for various departments. (By their invoice, dedicating half of all their time to her, in spite of all the other talents.)

>>72364978
Well, it's more that the contract is exerting far too much control over the creator to fall under contract law, it is thus a labor contract, which causes it to fall into the employee's country's jurisdiction, regardless of what it says in regards to "jurisdiction" or "nature". (And yes, in the US you can't sign away your labor rights, regardless of what a contract says.)

>>72365029
I'm not saying we have to have the precise number, just that I feel we would know if the reported staff number dropped from 50+ to below 19. Before you ask, I don't think the numbers shown on the bill (at least the time dedication part) is anywhere near accurate even if they counted everything that just happen to be tangentially connected to her

>>72365204
Dunno, though I shoulda tagged that NTA, as I'm not the anon who suggested "more employed talents than all corporate + management + support combined". It's her claim that it was 1 manager to ten talents, though even there she doesn't suggest it was always the case. The invoice suggests there's considerably more overhead in support staff, owners, directors, administration, and the like, all of which they are billing her for.

>>72364978
>>72365155
I was just pointing out that instead of taking it to courts, both the parties agreed to handle breach of contract out of the court in a arbitrator.
Can the V&U not just bring the case forward to Korean Commercial Arbitration Board, and the enforceability of whatever damages they decide can be discussed between SK and US since both of them are members of this convention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Recognition_and_Enforcement_of_Foreign_Arbitral_Awards#States_which_are_not_party_to_the_Convention

>>72365448
>there's considerably more overhead
That's not surprising given what their head manager had shown beforehand. I won't be surprised if they have fewer managers than talents either. Now if only they had someone among the staff who's dedicated to PR stuff...

>>72364978
Just curious what laws did the contract overwrite and what rights did she sign away?

>>72365530
As I understand it, the arbitration boat sailed when they demanded more control over the employee than you can have over any contractor, also including a non-compete, which is straight out. She's thus subject to local labor laws, so you'd have to go through those first.

>>72365725
NTA, but claiming it was subject to contract law by "nature" (A7), thus attempting to bypass all her protections as an employee, and that the jurisdiction would be Korea (A10).

>>72365725
>Attempting to enforce civil arbitration on a non-domestic contractor
>Attempting to enforce civil arbitration on a case potentially involving criminal acts
>Attempting to bypass international contract dispute laws by way of a dubious arbitration clause
>Also Serafi is in CA, meaning the arbitration might just be out of the question to begin with
And this is all ignoring most of the issues with the contract potentially invalidating itself on premise.
Legally speaking, it is entirely possible she was not under any enforceable contract this entire time.

>>72365876
Don't they have KCAB International to handle international arbitration?

>>72365826
I feel like all vtuber agreements are going to be service agreements instead of employment contracts.

>>72366248
They'd have to exercise a whole lot less control over their talents then, where as most of these black companies treat them like slaves. I suppose a model like Vshojo might (might) be able to make that argument, though I've never seen their contract.