/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7234275
Why are you scared? Kuzuha was already beating Holos in views, sometimes even Pekora.

>>7207143

>>7234275
none of the nijis ever feel natural to me because the girls are just planted into already designed models, which usually don't fit them at all

>>7234275
Quantity over quality has always been their strategy, why would en be different?

>>7234350
kek, he doesn't know...

>>7234275
Nijisanji is a chuuba machinegun

>>7234275
>Dont get me wrong im a niggersanji myself
If you think this is at all abnormal or cause for concern, no, you're not. "Muh oversaturation" and "quantity over quality" are just catchy slogans Holobronies latch on to so that they can shit on Nijisanji without having anything of substance to say since they don't actually watch them. You aren't supposed to 箱推し Nijisanji to begin with, so it's fine if you can't watch them all and just stick to the ones you like.

Is it not the Nijiway? Be glad we aren't getting school girls.
>Catholic school girl ENs
I'VE CHANGED MY MIND

>>7234275
Cannibalism isn't real in the vtuber world and any company with the infrastructure and money is basically best served putting out as many vtubers as possible. The only reason that everyone else isn't doing this is that they can't afford to.

>>7234275
Meanwhile people are crying about HoloEN2 being too slow.

Nijisanji always released new people fast. Cover wants to filter people first and only hires experienced streamers. Nijisanji gives zero fucks.

>>7234432
Literally only Pomu and Selen are decent and Pomu might die this year
Sounds very quantity over quality to me

>>7234275
>Does anyone else feel like they're going about this way too fast?
feeling nervous faggot

>>7234501
Some of Nijisanji's biggest and most talented livers have had 0 streaming experience in the past. Kenmochi, Joe and Leos to name a few. Their penchant for taking risks is part of what's lead to their success. Hololive plays things safe, and that's what works for them, but this approach isn't bad either.

>>7234501
So Nijisanji is Steam and Hololive is Epic Games?
Nijis were the good guys all along...........

>>7234503
No, Holobrony, the ones spammed in Global are not the only decent ones despite what your ilk tells you. If you don't even know Pomu doesn't actually have cancer you're clearly not equipped enough in your awareness of them to make a judgement either way.

>>7234275
Yeah I feel the same way

>>7234597
I've watched them, all the others turned out to be boring as fuck, except the rose who I can't watch without cringing
Such a shame because I was ready to drop the shark for the penguin but the only good thing about her is the design

It's Nijijansi, if they don't make sure they overwhelm their audience it's not them
Why do you think Nobuhime wanted to join Hololive? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0JkEHQYoe8

>>7234649
Again, if you were honestly under the impression Pomu had cancer, you clearly have not watched them. No, clips or 5 minutes of a stream do not count as watching. No, nothing you say will convince me otherwise.

>>7234683
Who's getting "overwhelmed"? Do you think Nijifags attempt to keep up with every member? Their very first wave had 8 people. It was never the goal.

>>7234275
they smell blood in the water with cover dragging there ass on getting en gen 2 out, whether theyre poking a tiger remains to be seen, but really nijisanji is shitty at protecting there idols but they at least recognize the want for more en vtubers now.

>>7234275
All of the EN girls are good, Selen and Pomu are especially great but none of them is as popular as the Holo girls, so getting good talents doesn't work, then what else can they do? The answer is keep making more of them until the miracle happen.
I mean, on JP side, they debut 5 members and one of them is a crazy guy that might become one of their top, and a girl in the group is boring as shit but people still care about her for some reason so that's already 2 small miracles in one debut. Maybe someday they'll get a big breakout from a newbie in NijiEN like Holo did with Coco.

>>7234759
>but really nijisanji is shitty at protecting there idols
Nijiantis really know fuck-all about Nijisanji, huh? Incredible.

>>7234817
they did fuck all to protect lulu who was one of there most popular talents.

>>7234777
>a girl in the group is boring as shit but people still care about her for some reason
I haven't followed their debut, or niji at all for that matter, but her design was top tier, presumably that helps.

>>7234872
Idols. You said idols. Lulu wasn't an idol. And they got her stalkers arrested - multiple times, she said as much. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>7234711
>he thinks no pomufag shitposts about pomu's health

>>7234958
>I-it was just shitposting bro
Sure.

>>7234275
Kind of, but I already accepted this isn't Hololive and following everyone isn't going to be viable. I'll give the new ones a week or two every debut wave and then unbsub if they aren't clicking with me. This time next year they'll probably have 20 streamers and break off into little cliques like the main JP branch does.

>>7234503
You clearly don't give a shit about Pomu if you still think she's gonna die

>>7234683
Niji is for casuals
Holo is for neets

You think casuals complain that there's too many games on steam or too many shows on netflix? No they just pick what they want to watch.

If anything Hololive has too many chuubas. Instead of people only watching what they want they've created a culture where in order to participate in the sub culture you have to follow the key events of every member. Not only that
Following only one member in Holo is heavily discouraged. Even if you only like pekora for example there's a good chance she's going to have to move her stream times around not to overlap with events or other members too heavily. She even has a chance to not even stream her POV in a collab.
I think Holo's problem is pretty evident when you see HoloID. Their subs/viewers are basically just hardcore fans. Most people view them as HoloEN lite and they will be the ones that suffer most when en2 drops further splitting their audience.

>>7234275
It seems to be slowly working

>>7235292
>I think Holo's problem
What problem? They're utterly dominant.

>>7235292
>Instead of people only watching what they want they've created a culture where in order to participate in the sub culture you have to follow the key events of every member
Literally nobody follows every Holomem, Reddit clipfags making tierlists clearly do not and the EOPs here ABSOLUTELY do not. Most people are not hako-oshis, they pick an oshi, watch her and stick to them. You're living in a parallel world.

>>7234275
Yes but it also doesn't mean anything for Nijisanji.
Each vtuber has to carve their own audience, they rarely share them outside of direct collabs and some events.
Oversaturation only matters when another Niji liver overlaps with you too much and you butt heads instead of capitalizing on it.

It matters way more for Holos, where there's a lot more and constant audience overlap.

>>7235292
Except that formula has created a ton of success for them? Holo ID are the most popular vtubers in Indonesia, even Anya is more popular than anyone else outside of Hololive. Their biggest weakness is that they're Indonesian, but if not for the Hololive "everyone is family" approach they would be streaming to the shitty numbers Niji EN or indies get.

>>7234275
>too fast
We most likely won't see wave 3 and 4 until early next year. And besides, if you truly knew anything about Nijisanji, you know they won't stop until the whole world becomes VLivers under Anycolor's control. Nijisanjification will succeed at any cost necessary.

>>7235403
I mean Niji ID, sorry.

>>7234447
>Abigail in nijiEN
Wouldn't even be mad.

>>7235270
You are right, I don't give a fuck about her as a person
She is cute and her streams are decent but I couldn't care less what her surgery was about just like I couldn't care less about whatever the fuck Ironmouse has
All that means to me is that I might need to unsub if she dies or keep enjoying her content if she doesn't and that's about it

>>7235493
Holobronies are such niggers, spamming Pomu in their threads, parading her as le only good NijiEN and not even caring about her.

>>7234432
>"Muh oversaturation" and "quantity over quality" are just catchy slogans Holobronies latch on to so that they can shit on Nijisanji without having anything of substance to say since they don't actually watch them
literally not an argument, the numbers are against you when ichikara keeps popping out vtubers that are increasingly irrelevant until one of them hopefully pops off
you have ZERO comebacks to this point

>>7235521
What point is there to be made in "oversaturation" and "quantity over quality"? They're non arguments. I have no comebacks to them because they say nothing. The Japanese vtuber scene has over 10k people in it. Nijisanji makes a very small dent in a scene that's already very crowded. Soon Hololive will have over 100 talents as well, and I'm sure you'll acknowledge them as very talented individuals. Nijisanji does not pick talents at random, they all fulfill niches and have their own skillsets. They do not just say "huh, well we need 5 vtubers for this wave huh... fuck it pick this retard with no talents". If they can't find anybody with their own talents or niches they shelf the vtuber like what happened with Oliver for literal years. I don't even know what to tell you if you think the vast majority of Niji livers aren't extremely talented because you clearly do not watch them and just parrot whatever you read here as a means of owning le Nijinigger boogeyman.

>>7235373
You are just proving my point. There's too many chuubas to keep track of and yet their audience feels compelled to include all of them because they come in a package.

>>7235654
I don't see what point you're attempting to make in the first place. If Niji = bad because people can't watch every talent then Holo = bad as well.

>>7234275
>I'm a niggersanji
>not being familiar with Nijisanji's quantity over quality motto

yeah sure bud

Niji strategy: overwhelm them with variety until they find something they like.
Holo strategy: give them some VTubers but make it a special event after some time in order to build interest, and make sure they’re all good enough for the job.

>>7234469
> Cannibalism isn't real in the vtuber world
Anon, if you like multiple vtubers and some of them decide to stream at the same time, you'll have to decide which streams to drop. Newfags don't have this problem since they are already attached to the entry points.
When time is limited and options are abundant, some chuubas will need to be abandoned.

>>7235626
Nobody watches "the vast majority of niji livers" retard. You don't watch them. You can't even name all of them.

>>7234275
meanwhile, holo en is being a bit too picky. niji en actually is starting to gather talented weebs. there are not so many vtubers/streamers/aspiring voice actors who are as fluent in japanese as those niji en livers but they will join niji en if the audition is always open like 24/7 before waiting for the audition for holo second gen. maybe niji en will keep such rare talented weebs first.

>>7235626
this is less about the talents themselves and more about how each company approaches their vtuber business
oversaturation is a very valid criticism because people will flock to the newest, shiniest thing every time, so when ichikara debuts another gen it will inevitably cut into the previous one
that is, until someone like kuzuha stands out from the rest and becomes a one hit wonder
meanwhile in hololive every gen is successful, with only a couple of holos falling behind, which clearly makes it a better business model

>>7235741
>Nobody watches "the vast majority of niji livers" retard
No shit, anon-kun. But I watch a hell of a lot more than (you) do and I can tell you for a fact that they were all selected not at random but for their skills and what they bring to the table as a vtuber, just like how Hololive selects vtubers. Whatever you read about Nijisanji caring more about the number of livers they have rather than the quality of the livers they have was a lie, sorry.

>>7235784
Anya...............

The first few Niji EN waves are much closer in style to Hololive than Niji JP - all girls, organised into idol unit type groups with a debut MV and a heavy emphasis on inter-gen unity. (They also tried this with Selejo, but it didn't stick.)
This worked great for quickly getting them a big share of the EOP audience (who are mostly Hololive watchers) but I do think there will be a culture shock amongst their viewers once they start putting out 20+ new members a year, especially when they start including dudes.

>>7235722
Anya....

>>7235793
See, I knew you were bullshitting. You're just another braindead fanboy who thinks some random chuba is instantly made super talented by by virtue of having a brand name associated with them. The average niji liver is no better than indie livers. Stay delusional brandfag.

>>7234350
A-anon, your reps....

>>7235784
>so when ichikara debuts another gen it will inevitably cut into the previous one
This doesn't happen. It just doesn't. Anybody who watches NijiEN can tell you the numbers of Lazulight haven't diminished since Obsydia rolled around. Selejo did not become dead and buried when Eden gumi rolled around. It's exactly because nobody watches every Niji liver that the new waves do not kill old livers.

>>7235815
Aren't dudes confirmed for wave 4?

>>7234912
She's done, anon. She can't work things out with Nijisanji anymore.

>>7235823
That’s doesn’t address my post at all. Also in general, people don’t watch ID much.

>too fast

Nijinigs in a nutshell. These motherfuckers take any slight advantage they get and run it into the ground.

Oversaturation is a meaningless scare word when the VTuber fan population is a mere fraction of the global weeb population. There's still a potential audience to expand into if they're not attracted to the current supply of VTubers. Increase supply, induce demand, expand consumer market size. Rinse and repeat.

>>7235828
>See, I knew you were bullshitting
I was not. It is not a coincidence that all of the Niji livers I watch have unique talents and capabilities. It is not a coincidence that you haven't been able to name examples of livers that exemplify Nijisanji's supposed motto of quantity over quality. Because you don't know anything about the quality of their livers. Because you don't watch them.
>The average niji liver is no better than indie livers
Again, you don't watch them, and you are incorrect.

>>7235863
Their numbers do diminish when they stream over each other, that even happens with the original 3. Penguin doesn't effect anything because her audience is totally different and she streams in a completely different slot. Rose is pretty different from the others also, but Selen audience is probably nearly 1:1 with Eliras and strong overlap with Pomu/Finana and streams around the same time.

>tfw didn't make the cut

I tried giving NijiEN a chance and while I liked their gen2 over the first one, I didn't vibe with them enough anyway to justify watching them on my own time. The most interesting so far was the Rose, and even then she my least favorite when she was in Tsunderia. Speaking of Tsunderia, I severely enjoyed the fox boy(female) hanabi. So maybe I'll give Niji a go again. But that'll be for the future. And believe me, I watch plenty of vtubers outside hololive.
t. deadbeat

>EOP fags don't know Nijification just means turn as many Indies into Nijis so Hololive can't scout them

>>7235823
Anya being a smartgirl but an absolute newfag to streaming ironically makes watching hef very entertaining.

>>7235865
Wave 4 seems to be all male, wave 3 female.

>>7235863
nijien is still at a healthy 6 people though, so you can actually watch every single one of them just fine
once more gens get introduced it's going to become more apparent and only those who really stood out will be relevant

>>7235327
There's two ways to interpret that. You only follow the EN branch and think that Gura is now the guiding figure of the industry. Which is false, she's almost no impact even within Hololive.

Or you think Hololive JP is still standing out above the competition. Which is only partially true. Frequently clipped Hololive members enjoy above average numbers, while others that don't get clipped get about the same numbers as Nijisanji members. From data that I can parse overall if I were to guess if you totaled ALL Nijisanji together, they'd have a huge numbers advantage in all aspects.

Fact is, these numbers are so large, they're now far beyond regular comprehension and anyone using larger numbers to argue superiority is a dum dum.

>>7235941
Every time somebody makes claims like this it turns out they took a screenshot 5 minutes into the stream at the numbers and made judgements from that alone. People still believe Finana gets sub 1k views on the regular because of the shitposting on this board. If such diminishing does happen it's negligible enough to be a non-issue - they're all still alive, kicking and pulling plenty of viewers.

>>7235948
Give me your twitch channel, 2view. And hang out in /wvt/. They're a good test bed for what works and what doesn't.

>>7235896
What are you even talking about?

>>7235961
Hololive doesn't scout. Niji ENs can still do the auditions if they want, and take the hit on the contract cancellation fee and public backlash if they knew they got in and would make it back fairly quick. It's happened before on the JP side. Most of these girls have probably had the Holo EN door shut in their face once or twice and wouldn't bother again once they're accepted somewhere, but there's always a few people that are gonna try to climb to the endgame of their profession.

>>7236055
i'm literally a nobody who never streamed, anon

i shouldn't be upset, but i am

>>7235961
Rose wasn't indie..........
Well, not just indie anyway

>>7236105
> Kawaii Pro...

>>7235986
The western vtuber audience's assumptions are mostly rooted in how Hololive works, more specifically how they've worked since 2020 with almost no new gens coming out.
Niji EN fits into that mould right now, but they will obviously drift away from it pretty quickly with a new gen every 2 months. I guess we have to wait and see how their audience reacts.

What's this 'oversaturation' bullshit? What's so hard to understand?
Let's say you want to get into Nijisanji, you watched Kuzuha, you like him so you watch his streams. That's all there is to it. You don't need to know about Kuzuha's history, you don't need to care about his gay partners, his genmates, the units he's part of or whatever. If he collab with other Nijis or non-Nijis you don't know about, you can try watching the collab if you're curious, but if you just simply don't care about them non-Kuzuha people, then just skip the whole damn collab, pretend it doesn't exist, and come back to watch his solo stream the next day.
I'm not a fan of Kuzuha but that's what I do but with my oshi. I can name all NijiJP but I only watch 2 of them regulary.

>>7235493
Christ dude, I barely watch her, and even I'd feel bad if she died. Where'd all your empathy go?

>>7236351
It's literally just Hololive good Nijisanji bad. If Hololive operated the same way they'd defend it to the death.
It's the same reason they complain about it "being impossible to follow everyone" and about their being "cliques". They can't comprehend an environment where not everyone in a workplace knows each other and isn't forcefully buddy-buddy.

>>7236351
NijiEN gets most of their audience from HoloEN, so there's a culture shock.
They either have to adapt or abandon the ship.
And unfortunately, expecting anime consumers to adapt is a tall order.

>>7235941
I mean yeah anon if you share you fan base with others and stream at the same time you'll have less numbers, thats not a sign of lack of interest, thats a sign of people don't watch more then one stream at a time most of the time

>>7235327
For the girls its great they get tons of views/money.
The problem is for Cover/Holo who are trying to sell vtubers as a package.
Saturation is a concern for them because it actually dilutes their brand which is based on family kayfabe.

>>7236351
>>7236417
see >>7236282
The majority of the EOP vtuber audience is most familiar with Hololive, so they're naturally going to frame everything from the perspective of how Hololive works.
Anycolor obviously knows this, since Niji EN's first two (three?) waves are clearly aimed straight at the Hololive crowd.

>>7236282
>The western vtuber audience's assumptions are mostly rooted in how Hololive works
this is pretty much true, I bet a lot of people are still expecting nijien to behave exactly like holoen and when that illusion is shattered they'll leave
keep in mind I believe they deserve to be even more successful as they're miles better than most of holoen in my opinion, and I hope it doesn't happen in the end

>>7236351
the argument isn't about the audience, but about the talents themselves, they're the ones adversely affected by niji's machine gun tactic

>>7236351
Nijisanji Vtubers don't give a shit about each other that way it's failed to succeed in the west. At most only one will get big that about it cause you said it yourself you don't have to care about others.

This is where you lose to hololive cause hololive is family and nothing stronger then family. They all care about each other very much.

>>7236597
>about the talents themselves, they're the ones adversely affected by niji's machine gun tactic
Please, point me to where and how Kanae is affected negatively by Leos getting 200k subs in a week's time. Hell, even a smaller male like Akina. Whatever you think happens isn't happening.

>>7236636
>Nothing is stronger than family
Pffft what the fuck am I reading?

>>7236636
>Nijisanji Vtubers don't give a shit about each other
This is so wrong that it's almost offensive. Nijisanji members tend to be very close to their genmates and other friends they've made through collabs and the like. Just because they don't pretend to care about everyone in a company with over 100 people doesn't mean there's no strong bonds clearly on display within it.

>>7234275
It seems to me like you need meds.
If they wanted to one up Hololive they wouldn't have made EN branch a YEAR later.

>>7236679
It's impossible for that many people to be close. hololive can barely do it and they have a fraction of Niji's roster. What Niji has are cliques and factions, and anyone outside of that clique or faction is persona non grata.

>>7236649
Is that not cause there "king" of japan and have plenty of tourists that check out new talents. But that machine gun method is clearly not working for their ID or KR talents. I mean I give a year untill it stop working for their EN branch.

>>7234275
Nope, Hololive goes too slow, but they are the first and the biggest japnese company in the west so they set the precedent and distorted everryone's perspective.

>>7236679
Kanae streaming over Lulu's graduation...

>>7236351
Holotards have this weird conception that Cover is some happy family that all loves each other, not like that "soulless Niji corporation". Meanwhile, they're making constant rrats about how Peko and Miko hate each other, or how Mori hates Kiara, or how Matsuri hates Haachama. Not to mention how Stars and CN got treated like shit by this supposed "family". Classic 4channel hypocrisy, nothing new to see here.

>>7236708
>It's impossible for that many people to be close
Yes, that's what I just said. There is nothing wrong with having "cliques" aka friend groups. Do you think they actively attack people they aren't friends with? When I watch a Niji liver and chat mentions somebody they aren't familiar with, they politely mention that they've never spoken and the subject is dropped. That's it. The bully culture business has and always will be a meme.

>>7236649
you just used one of the biggest niji vtubers as an example when I've been constantly talking about only those who stand out get to stay relevant
but even then, you said it yourself, hololive set the precedent for the west and ichikara isn't following it, so expect their usual tactic to bite their backs
if I'm wrong then good

>>7236710
Akina is not king of Nijisanji, no. Nijifags stick to the livers they like. They do not 箱推し. It is not because of new waves that uninteresting talents eventually get forgotten.

>>7236636
Well I can't say anything to that because you're right.

Who is the Sora of Nijisanji, and is she as forgotten as Sora is?

>>7236800
>when I've been constantly talking about only those who stand out get to stay relevant
So what's your problem here? That uninteresting talents don't keep viewers? Even IRyS, part of the biggest vtuber company in the world has lost viewers because of her lack of personality. It won't be EN2 that killed her just like new Nijisanji waves do not kill the old ones.

It was like 6 months from auditions to lazulights' debuts and obsydia were from the same audition. The next wave's still a ways off.

>>7234275
Nijisanji is just your regular 3DPD streamers put into anime graphics without the anime elements. Why watch them when Jun is a lot more entertaining?

>>7236874
Please, tell me what 3DPD streamers are acting like Debi and Mashiro, I'd love to know.

I like how Niji subcounts are more representative of their viewer counts. It's weird how someone like Roboco has the same average live viewer count as Elira, despite Roboco having 4x the subs. Where did all those subbed people even go? Are they just bots?

>>7236105
The endgame isn't Hololive. It's going indie after leaving Hololive, retaining at least half of your fanbase.

>>7234275
only complaint i have is that the current and next EN designs are all supernatural, i hope we get some more grounded designs like yashiro and mito

>>7236840
we're just going in circles so I'd rather stop here
like you said, we'll see how their audiences hold up in the future and hopefully I'm very wrong

>>7236367
In people I actually know like my family

>>7236937
I'm subbed to chuubas I have no intention of ever watching(because I can't understand them). I just help them get play buttons because I like something they did in a translated clip. I subbed to Towa because she impersonated a dying Goku.

>>7236937
Roboco does have double her average VOD views and triple her peak viewers. CCV is a questionable metric at best on YouTube.
A lot of holos also now run sub-only chat to deal with zhangs, so if you want to be able to chat during collabs you have to sub to everyone.

>>7236672
A Toretto meme

>>7236910
Me

>>7235987
You're pretty bad at parsing numbers. HoloJP already surpasses NijiJP in total views on a regular basis. Many Niji livers are Mel tier or lower, and some stream even less than she does.

>>7234275
how many nijis are there now? 120?
how can you even call yourself a nijinigger if you aren't watching every stream from every niji.

Nijisanji is crazy man the rate they pump out vtubers is insane. Hololive En is going to have to have max 11 vtubers for the majority of next year. Yet Nijisanji already on the way to double them I mean we going to get wave 3 this year that brings them up to 10 cause if you look at the timeline nijisanji ID Wave 6 audtions came out in May but their debuting in July.

Nijisani En auditions ended July 11 so they going to come around September or October which brings them up to ten. Then there the male auditions which will come not come out untill early next year which will put them at 13 already two more then hololive en. If you count auditions throughout the year then nijisanji en is looking at around 20 vtubers before 2022 ends.

>>7237779
Yeah, they make a lot of vtubers. Unfortunately not even half of them are relevant, whereas just about every single hololiver is well known and beloved.

With the exception of, like, Roboco and AZKi.

As a nijisanji fan i do agree pumping stuff out this fast is pretty stupid. Also what niche's are they filling? an apex niche? a Genshin niche? im dissapointed with Niji EN because they aren't any different then other vtubers. just the same content it seems like.

>>7237445
Does this also factor for days where there are no Hololive streams?

>>7237994
Has the RTS gamer played RTS yet

>>7234275
The only play Niji has is to try and take pieces off the board before Cover can get to them. I think long term the plan is to create a large EN network as quickly as possible and try to capitalize on collabs and shit for growth. Long term I doubt it will work, but when the choices are play your best hand or roll over and die the decision is pretty easy.

>>7237994
They point is, the chuubas will have to innovate and do something new to avoid getting buried in the new waves

>>7237842
>With the exception of, like, Roboco and AZKi.
And Choco, Aki, Shion, Matsuri(when she's not causing drama), Mel(when she's not being sexually harassed), Flare and Towa.
Hololive is basically Pekolive and the rest of the Gen 3 can only get big numbers when peko is not streaming (since she's very kind and makes schedule with help of others)

>>7237135
>CCV is a questionable metric at best on YouTube
Funny that it becomes questionable only when Holos are starting to lose during koshien season lmao. Every other day of the week you holofags are masturbating to live view numbers here

>>7235948
I really wanted to be the ghost girl...
Guess I'll keep up my indie reps. At least I'm getting a consistent 20 viewers nowdays.

>>7236351
People are scared that the new vtubers will take numbers away from their oshi

>>7234275
Typical Niji way of doing it
>shit out hundreds of vtubers and pray at least a few of them will be good

>>7234275
2 cunnies?

>>7237842
your barometer for relevance is clipper memes?

>>7236827
Mito isn't it?

>>7238244
Yep hopefully this is what happens. Just playing FOTM Apex Minecraft or genshin isn't going go get them anywhere. new creative ideas are going to have to be tried.

>>7238418
Don't give up, anon! Nijisanji shits out waves faster than a dog with a bone. Keep up the grind and you'll get rewarded.

>>7238418
ayrt, same here.
animal themes are cute and all, but she was perfect

>>7236937
Roboco's been streaming since March 2018, a lot of those people have fucked off forever from their youtube account, made another one, died, stopped watching youtube, whatever. The older your account is the more dead subs you'll have. Niji EN shouldn't have a lot right now but in a year they will.

>>7234275
We'll see how fast any of them quit

>>7238418
Join Tsunderia, grow your audience until you're big enough to fuck off and join Niji EN.

>>7238898
Honestly tempting.
That said, while as a business I appreciate how upfront they are with a lot of things. I feel like there's a huge push for "unity" in them and everyone is pretending to love each other and be a happy family, and honestly I don't buy it.
If I joined, I would be constantly annoyed with Mio's and Yuuna's shit. Like the first few times its funny to flirt, but its literally all they do. And Meru and Kallin keep dipping into concernfag baiting. And Orla sounds like the type I'd bully in high school.

>>7234275
that’s the nijisanji strategy.
just flood the market and see what sticks regardless.

I don't know why it matters that Nijisanji has a lot of vtubers
>but the numbers ahh the numbers
People join Nijisanji for the brand name which gives them more views than they'd ever get debuting as an indie
>but the money
Everyone knows their money is earned via SC/merch/VP, there is no salary, so it's not like it's a waste of money. All new livers get an iPhone and a pat on the back and that's it
>saturation ahh
They've been doing this since the beginning. Look how packed the 2019 debuts were
>but how do I keep up with all of them
You never will unless you stalk those matome of the day blogs/channels. There are Nijis I don't give a flying fuck about or can even name like the 11 year old with glasses and small hat, there are Nijis I've heard of and will never watch, etc

>>7234350
You are fucking retarded

>>7238407
Youtube's live viewcount is absolutely fucked, and I'm sure it's effecting the niji's numbers too. I was watching a smaller tuber yesterday who opened a poll in chat and got 95 votes when she only had about ~75 viewers.

>>7239656
Numbers thread has been following that, some have a little above 1.5:1 vote:viewer ratio, some even have a 4:1 ratio of votes to viewers and that's just Hololive, it isn't company specific.

>>7238898
Fuck off urara or I won't change your diaper

>>7234317
Having to rely on one person to hold your company up isn't a good sign. Look at Kizuna Ai.

>>7239656
You do know people come in and out of streams all the time? You'll get more people voting on a community post as well, more than will show up for the stream. Even after the stream where the polling was done for is over, you['ll still get people voting on that poll well after. Either for the hell of it or just to pick the "correct" answer.

>>7240917
I wasn't talking about a community post poll, I was talking about one of those new integrated chat polls and it was only open for a minute or two.

>>7239656
Niji already played with twitch on the EN side so they might swap over part time
More and more vtubers are realizing twitch is superior if you're not a monster corpo with a million dollar marketing budget

>>7240917
Anon means the in-stream polls. I witnessed one where the live views were about 400 viewers, but the vote immediately had 900 votes.

>>7234275
Not at all. They literally pump out 2-4 waves of JP/ID...the same for EN makes sense. Holofags are just used to the fact there's only been 1 group of shitty EN.
>>7234350
Reps faggot.

>>7238841
Her sub only kicked off when holo gets popular

>>7234350
You realize Hololive was the exact same shit until Gen 4 right?

>>7240917
>Having to rely on one person to hold your company up isn't a good sign
Depends on the purpose and what they're doing. Also what counts as a "company"
There's plenty of solo vtubers out there that are doing extremely well for themselves, hell the solo acts are what got vtubing big in the first place (the Kizuna Ai you're mocking)
But even in modern times, Natori Sana is off on her own doing her own shit mogging hololive 90% of the time. Tamaki is still the sole bread winner of her group and she's fucking married.
YuNi and MaiR are solo act singers and doing better than the Kamitsubaki girls.
himehina are still going strong (given they are 2 people, but 1 act)

single bread winners are fine. and its not like nijisanji is solely reliant on kuzuha either.

also AI still gets 50-100k views on pretty much all her videos.
>b-but holofag numbers
nobody cares. hololive is the justin bieber of vtubers, it doesn't matter how many teenage girls he gets to buy his CDs, he's still a joke.

>>7243366
They still do it in hololive, they just don't show the models publicly, they only show them to the people who make it past the initial cuts

>>7234683
who

>>7240917
Kuzuha is not the only pillar of Nijisanji and you don't even need to be a watcher to get this

>>7235327
The problem is half of holoJP's viewers are EOP which doesn't matter in Japan, idolshit image can get you a loyal and rabid fanbase of idolfags but at the sametime they are still a niche crowd

>>7243775
>half of holoJP's viewers are EOP
No proof to back this up. Pekora's single twitter poll that isn't even a tiny fraction of her subscribers doesn't count either.

>>7238754
You should suck the dick of whichever clipper got you into this fandom, because it was 100% their influence.

>>7243961
>Pekora's single twitter poll that isn't even a tiny fraction of her subscribers doesn't count either.
>i-it doesn't count
lol, that poll was half of her daily live views, hololive subs count is mostly bloat by EOP subs anyway, just look at Kenmochi, he has a quater of their subs but I can tell he is more popular than most of hologirls in Japan

>>7234275
It's Nijisanji, what did you expect? They always had that "spray and pray" strategy

>>7234275
The EN scene is already very saturated but I think even the lowest NijiEN will still mog the baby start up girls. I think trying to speed run in the gap before EN 2 to try and retain some people before they are sucked away is smart. It's gonna hurt either way but it would be even harder to generate interest after EN2 comes out.

>>7244341
I'm not you so choke on it

The hololive virgin is afraid.

since i got no email, you think i could have a chance on the male audition by becoming a shota?

>>7234432
>holobronies
oh god, the cope

>>7246193
Yeah, they probadly wouldn't want a tranny take a girl role

>>7234275
>slow down
>nijishit
Pick one. Nijisanji is about pumping out new shit constantly to see what sticks and abandoning the rest to obscurity.

>>7246193
If you're grill, they have females playing male JP niji boys so its a possibility there.
Probably not the other way though unless you're playing it up as a joke.

>>7246193
Why on earth did you ever think a non Japanese male could voice an anime girl and pull it off, why did you apply to the girls wave

Nijisalt

>>7246683
>>7246532
good thing i'm no tranny then

>>7234275
That's been their M.O. Spamming vtubers.

You should be more concerned about the fact that between them, Hololive, and all the western agencies, plus Sony, it's only a matter of time before they pick someone hyper woke that drags the whole edifice down.

>>7234275
ninetails?

>>7234275
>Loli witch with a big fucking hat
I'm sold.

Someone need to replace El Risitas's laugh with Selen's laugh

>>7235518
RRREEEEEEEEE HOLOBRONIEEEEEEEEEZZZ

>>7234275
ACCELERATE
CANNABALISE NIJI VIEWS SUBS
SATURAGE THE MARKET
MAKE VIEWERS BORED
CRASH VTUBING

In fact they should go faster next wave should be like 20 people released in the same day, why not?

Nijisanji figured out that since they can't beat Hololive in producing good content they are going to try and overwhelm them with pure numbers.

corporate vtuber content is all the same
niji just has better tech

>>7249762
>>7248955
ogey

>>7238958
You'd sound perfect. Shake the system. Stop hesitating for wanting to be unapologetically aggressive

>>7234275
It's called zerging

>>7234275
>at least 2 out of 4 are cunny
ultimate POWER

>>7234611
Pussy

>>7253529
Tsunderia isn't big enough to pull an audience for someone who shits on their teammates.
If Orla started shitting on Meru for being a faggot, she'd nobody would watch her because 99% of the people watching any tsunderia are the same people.

>>7234549
>to name a few
we're talking about nijisanji. Thats like less than 5% to be generous
>but this approach isn't bad either.
Thats ethically bad for the lesser talent.

corpos are just repackaging the existing vtuber scene and taking a cut. Niji knows that if they repackage as much of it as they can as fast as they can then they'll own the market.
If you can't get a huge earner then you can make the same with 20 small earners. It's not like niji has costs past whatever their initial investment is.

>>7249762
i agree i really think vtubing should move past companies like hololive and nijisanji and go full indie the content would be better too. >>7253697
you faggots are no better then marvel fanboys

>>7234275
I bet the bird girl is going to be really stinky and sweaty

>>7254222
>hololive and nijisanji fanboys
>mentioned neither of them
lol what a schizo
KYS

>>7235865
Wave 4 is seemingly going to be exclusive male, I'm guessing we won't see any coed gens until after that

>>7236351
Thats not how brand and companies work. People expect atleast more or less the same quality to the other members under the same name.

Noor...

>>7254222
Marvel fans would not be so appreciative towards cunny.

There are already too many Niji EN. Just like their JP branch, they fucked up by not letting anyone get attached to the characters. Niji had a really good thing going with the first three EN members because they were friends that did guerilla streams and felt pretty genuine.
Now they fucked it up by doing too much too fast. Say whatever you will about hololive EN, at least everyone knows the members well because they streamed for several months and we know their personalities. It provides a huge demand for EN gen 2 not just because we want more personalities to enjoy, but also because we want to see how the new generation interacts with the one that we know well.
I wouldn't even call this "quality over quantity" because holo EN has some members that aren't really that good. But at least we KNOW who they are.
I don't even know the names of the second gen or what the designs look like aside from the one with purple hair

>>7255319
spidercunny was the favorite in that animated spiderman movie.

>>7253922
>Thats ethically bad for the lesser talent.
You're going to have to elaborate. Do you recognize the presence of quality hires within Nijisanji's talent pool? Is it a bad thing that Nijisanji takes chances with less experienced applicants/hobbyists/part-timers? Should all hires be instant successes and career vtubers as soon as they're added to the ranks? If they don't blow up in views, do the viewers somehow lose out? If they need time, practice and support to find success later down the line, should they still be shunned as failures forever for their rocky starts?

Honestly if I were a vtuber slut I would apply for VOMS because i'd be so based i'd want to grind subs in ultra hardmode like pikamee had to do

>>7235626
>uh fuck this retard with no talents
Funny you mention that considering some Livers have stated they don't know how they got into Niji since they don't have any streaming experience or content creation experience

>>7236351
So what exactly is the point of an agency then??? I thought members joined because they wanted the free advertising that being associated with the group provides. Or do they really need daddy to run their youtube channel for them because they cant learn basic internet skills?

>>7236417
>>7236574
Ever wonder why hololive became popular in the first place??? Its because they focused on the BRAND rather than just throwing indies into the lake and letting them sink or swim. As one member of hololive gets popular, the collabs and brand association bring up the other members. This is the reason to join an agency.

>>7235793
Niji faggots really are just watching because they want to be contrarian to hololive, kek.

>>7235756
talented weeb lol. They even pick some loud obnoxious nobody from my country. It's the first girl who debuted, according to the leak

>>7236741
Kanae will stream over the heat death of the universe

>>7234275
I hope they stop with this shit. See what happened recently with the newest wave? Yeah! That's how you debut! See all the attention they get and how easily they inclined? Should have done this since forever instead of spamming chuubas.

>>7235812
She is self-nerfed so pretty much by option and there's that ID debuff too

>>7234275
new rrats, anycooler got an investments from chinks to spam 300 members milestone by 2022, they have to fulfill the contract, they dont care how the talents would survive.

>>7256808
Nijis tend to be fine with nobodies when holo only handpicks the finest one out there, so this is classic niji tactics, nothing surprising at all

>>7256607
>So what exactly is the point of an agency then?
Support and management? Just like youtubers join networks like Machinima (of old) because they provided a safety net from DMCA attacks, resources such as audio/music libraries, and assistance with larger projects, vtubers benefit from agencies in a similar fashion. Do you realize how much L2D costumes, 3D models and mocap studio time can hurt an unaffiliated indie's wallet? That, if they're among the thousands who never get their big Cinderella moment, may never host concerts, 3D collabs, live events etc. no matter how they wanted?

It's not always just brands and numbers. Vtubing is really quite restrictive if you ever want to do something more than just play vidya live on Youtube. There are opportunities that larger agencies like Hololive, Nijisanji, 774 etc. can readily provide their talent, that they might otherwise never get to enjoy.

>>7256760
This. All the EOP nijifags are just former holofags that tryana be cool with their "muh creative freedom" bullshit

>>7256253
If a Niji has a rocky start it's very hard to get a second chance. There are so many choices that if you have a rough start you'll just be ignored.
Fewer talents also means that the company is able to allocate more resources to everyone.
It's better than being an indie but it's kind of a raw deal to every liver that is currently there as new gens bring in fewer viewers and just spread the current viewership and resources thin.
Also, it's bad for company branding. There's a reason why people see Niji as quantity over quality whether it's actually true or not.
EN has the added stigma of being Holo rejects since Holo is so dominant that most people will just assume that they would have joined Holo if they were able to.

>>7258134
Its actually not so bad, even in worst case scenario you're in a group with other people who can bring you up if you're able to bring up an idea or collab other people are interested and that will directly translate to 2nd or 3rd chances for you as well. Quite a few of the nijis exist basically solely because of that.

>>7235626
Ohhhh i really love nijikeks with their "everything is daijoubu" attitude towards anycooler..

They are taking advantage of the fact that hololive is taking too long to release a new EN wave. Right now they have the same amount of members, and hololive is also going to be releasing a new EN wave soon as well, so they don't want to get left behind.

>>7258134
Unless nijiEN has their own christmas miracle like sora, pekomoona moment like moona, and algo blessing like holoEN, i dont see them become bigger with their usual niji approach. This should be clearer with the new jp wave that it's better to debut talent on a wider time frame.

Holobronies mad that niji en has better collab chemistry then their sellouts?

>>7257856
Then why does Niji have better singers, dancers, entertainers, highly creative people, etc? Hololive hires are mostly nepotism, everyone knows this.

>>7257856
"Finest ones out there"
>gura disappearing for a week at a time
>mori not knowing how to stream
>bird having mental break down first few months
Why do holobronies act like holo are masterminds? They got lucky their menhera en hasnt had breakdowns yet. Mori got close a few times

>>7235626
uhh based?

>>7257856
>the finest
Let's not pretend Hololive isn't filled with its share of menheras and failures. There's depressed high school dropouts, failed idols, nervous wrecks, autists, fatsos, shut-ins, burnt out office ladies and what not. The best singers' recordings are still post-processed and autotuned to all hell out of necessity, and despite most of their stream content being video games, no one's particularly impressive at them. People with proper talent will always strive for a proper career in entertainment before settling for vtubing. Yagoo's not picking out an ensemble cast here.

Vtubing is a personality game. What matters for streamers from a technical perspective is how you sound and how well you fill dead air. Beyond that, we watch them for who they are and how they present themselves, just in this case freed from the confines of their actual looks. They may have some talent that lends itself to stream content, such as Marine's legitimately good drawing skills, but such talent really doesn't make or break a vtuber, and I doubt anyone follows Marine just for her art. We just naturally think higher of our oshis, so we'll gloss over their shortcomings, and sometimes glorify them to an excess. We easily forget that these are still only vtubers, and that in the global entertainment industry, even the biggest vtuber companies are really quite insignificant, far from household names.

>>7234275
Flooding the market with cheap pre-made models was always niji modus operandi, they don't care about marketing them properly just "good enough" to pay their models and bring company some yen's.

>>7259743
"Yagoo" is hiring everyone through nepostism. That's why most holos know themselves in real life and even live with each other. This is where the image of hololive being a 'family' comes from, but it's also incompatible with the opinion that they're hired for their talent.
>but they're more popular, so they must be better
That's a logical fallacy. The only reason they're popular is because they got clipped en-masse by chinks, not because they're more talented or entertaining than the competition.

>Dont get me wrong im a niggersanji myself but damn slow the fuck down
/vyt/schizo thread alarm

>>7234350
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1139014100954910721

>>7260219
Hello anon from 2019

>>7255987
Good point I agree.

>>7261213
Hello 2020 bandwagoner!

>>7261269
Hello pretentious oldfag

>>7260118
>The only reason they're popular is because they got clipped en-masse by chinks, not because they're more talented or entertaining than the competition.
But the good thing about them is that they know how to use momentum to grow their brand, niji used to have their own momentum but unlike holo, niji dumped it and eventually losing it to holo, like look at how holo singlehandedly won the gooks by a single joke while niji has a huge gook roster but only publically known for their bullying scandal

>>7234275
Nigger there is literally 0 EU timezone vtubers in NijisanjiEN, fuck off with your oversaturation and diluting meme. There is so many dead hours to fill.

>>7234275
no

>>7257584
new rrats, holo actually invest in nijisanji to destroy themself from the inside by spamming talents every fucking month (or weeks now), so nijiniggers just wanna puke cause of the talent spam and distance themself from niji's

>>7261912
And after they debut another 40 members there will still be 0 in EU hours, even though France is probably the second biggest western weeb market after the US.

>>7235453
Abigail's Lutheran, but still glad she's getting mentioned

>>7234350
PFFFFFFT HAHAHAHA duuuuuude i could be a square ahhahaah, you know you'd still WATCH MEEEEEE hahahaha YOU BELIEEEEEEEEEVE in ME!!!! hahahaha

>>7261912
>>7267448

At this point Niji would rather fight for AUS/NZ timezones than EU, they've been testing it with a certain gook down under

They should just use twitch. At least they could present numbers higher than when they are streaming on YT. Getting 3k on YT means 6-7k on twitch. Numberfags would seethe at the outcome unable to refute and anykara would get the numbers to appease their chink overlords.

>>7234275
This is pretty much how nijisanji has always operated though. It doesn't matter either way, just watch who you like.

>>7269107
the lack of branded chuuba aside from vshojo at twitch is just astonishing, when niji had a creative team audition I thought they were employing for EN recaps for YT while the livers streams at twitch, something top EN youtubers has done for years now!

>>7234350
I find it funny that Selen's design fits her better than her old one.

>>7234503
/thread

>>7234777
Lain got 200k in under a week and her vids have crazy amounts of views for just mostly zatsudans. Both Axia and Lauren have a good amount of viewers (like 15k watching at the moment). Oliver has the lowest viewership but still better overall than most of EN

>>7269107
They do use twitch retardchama.
Look up Ban Hada or Nagi.

>>7234432

>Holobronies.

RENT FREE

How many posts is this now like 3 times a week?

>>7276689
>replying to almost a day old post
wow seethe much?

Classic Nijinigger's human wave tactic

>>7234275
>It seems to me
you're a retard

>>7260118
Wrong. Niji had way more clips before, hell, Rin singing Country Roads while playing Truck Simulator got her a lot of EOPs. And what did they do? Not capitalize on it. Now they're desperately trying to catch up. Hell, Rin herself now has some twitch streams with simulTL, the same Rin that drew away the EOPs with a Final Fantasy marathon after the Country Roads thing.

>>7280245
>Wrong. Niji had way more clips before, hell, Rin singing Country Roads while playing Truck Simulator got her a lot of EOPs
yeah, 3 clips is bigger than 1 clip, before AzurLane collab, nobody gives a fuck about vtuber outside of chink and nip, don't kid yourself

>>7236953
... We have 1 case where that was a thing, (and no triangle doesn't count she doesn't even have a rig at the moment, and her fanbase is basically 60% saviourfags)
And doubly even Coco doesn't really count cause she's not doing anything with it. She streamed once a month ago and nothing since.

>>7234275
No, this is how nijisanji operate, when vtuber were a new thing in japan they saturated the market to the point that most indies just graduated or joined nijisanji.

If you saturate a free market, you can monopolize it, nijisanji has always been more focused in gains than hololive or other vtubers companies.

>>7248882
95% of their vtubers are above the average, faggot.

>>7255987
You don't know them because you don't fucking watch them. Go to the nijien thread to see if they don't know.
>Now they fucked it up by doing too much too fast.
It's not fast you fucking monkey. wave 2 was planned since the beginning, just staggered instead of launched all together.

>>7234275
Its fine because we nijisanji fans can handle enjoyment of more than one or two chuubas at a time unlike holofags that seem to treat their even their own home JP branch as competition

>>7258253
Everything is "daijobu". Because it is, otherwise they wouldn't recruit more people and they would end the branches you all call failures. Maybe, just maybe, you all should reconsider that Anycolor don't see numbers in the same way you do.

>>7235784
This is such an argument of someone who don't watch nijisanji, outside of using gen. There's tons of viewers who only watch 1, 5, 10, 15 or 20. There's not that much overlap and there's always an audience in different sizes.

>>7234275
>too fast
>6+4 is too many for a year
This isn't fast at all. Cover just can't find any non-vtubers to be vtubers for holoEN thats why there hasn't been a wave 2 for them yet.

>>7238023
Rosemi? After watching her get massacred by Finana in Guilty Gear, I doubt she ever touched an RTS game.

>>7236597
You mean the talents themselves that know about this "machine gun tactic"? The talents themselves who are nijisanji fans in most cases? The talents themselves that are getting more subs and views than they were before? Fuck off.

>>7236710
It's not affecting KR and ID either. The thing is that you retards only see good numbers as over 1k, when it isn't the case. Most of KR and ID are over 200 and 100 viewers in average. You faggots think this is a bad number, but it isn't, it's a good number for vtubers and streamers in general.

It's funny as heck how faggots say it's too fast when in 2018 hololive debuted Roboco, Gen 1, Gen 2 and Mio, so 11 vtubers

>>7285789
Yeah, and in 2019 they debuted 9 and then 7 on 2020. It's been three fucking years since then, anon. Stop living in the past, or do need I remind you that Nijisanji debuted more than 50 over that same time frame (enough to basically match up to ALL of Hololive and their branches put together)?

>>7276296
This isn't "good amount of views". When are you retards going to see that those are huge numbers? How many streamers do you see out there with 15k? 10k? Having 1k, 500 viewers or even 100 is already good.

>>7286403
You don't need to remind me, idiot. The example from hololive in 2018 is to show that even your beloved company did the same in 2018. NijiEN doing 6 in 2021, when both are literally from the same audition, is normal and fine.

>>7286542
>projecting
>comparing the debut cycle of an organization startup mode to a present day branch of a large company
There's a reason why people are thinking it is too much, at it likely has to do with the time frame at which they're releasing chuubas, which heavily gives the impression that were will be more to come this year alone... for one branch.

>>7234275
I think they are but it's an interesting idea. Flood with your own characters to build up a bigger group faster for collabs and more people to watch while HL struggles to get a second gen out.

>>7287237
If "they are thinking it's too much". They can get the fuck out of nijisanji then, because that's the reality everyone involved from staff to vtubers to actual fans know for years.
The system is by audition and the first audition got 6 members for 2 waves in a staggered reelease, while we don't know how many members will come on the next audition.

>>7291663
Oh and yes, if they are thinking it's too much, they don't understand the point of nijisanji which is for you to pick up the vtubers you like to watch, not literally support everyone. Each vtuber will have their own community and size compatible with their personality and tastes.

>>7234275
If all the girls have distinct personalities then I don't see that much of an issue.

>>7234275
>im a niggersanji myself
No you're not you fucking liar