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Cutenity Edition

Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo and vtubers who frequently associate with them.

Nobody is STILL live! Mostly because our dedicated this hour streamer is taking the day off. So let Zen rest and look forward to more later. Until then keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
GEEGA - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou / https://www.youtube.com/c/ksonONAIR
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related:
総長 + 会長 for dedicated Kson discussion
/999/ for dedicated Henya discussion
/lig/ for more + and ex-member discussion

Previous Thread: >>72235700

>> No.72253729
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Zenbutt!

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LOVE MY WIFE

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zenner!

>> No.72253814

>>72253445
If there is someone coming soon (please) and those two events are related (probably not) then she is pretty much the only one that makes sense. I always think back to that time Zen was fucking around on stream and saw Geega and Mika in a call together and just joined in and Geega basically scolded her telling her not to join calls randomly on stream if she didn't know exactly what they were doing. If it was like, Geega and Mouse I could understand for opsec or whatever, but being so secretive about a call with Mika still sticks out in my head lol.

>> No.72253980

Zen should have been live right now

>> No.72254028

>>72253980
She is testing our faith
We will be rewarded inshallah

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i love kchon!

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>>72254084

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Infinikey just teased the next round of VShojo keycaps. I'm hoping for a group like Kson/Mel/Henya/Froot https://twitter.com/infinikeyxyz/status/1772304649053221281

>> No.72254381

>tune into vei's stream
>first thing you hear is "6 inches"
dicklet bros... how do we cope...

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>>72254340
Geega, Froot, Melody and Kson are next.

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>>72254340
Mata's silhouette is so distinct lol

>> No.72254516

>>72254340
How about they release the past ones in more than just US layouts first

>> No.72254531

>>72254516
What's a US layout for keycaps

>> No.72254580

>>72254340
These should have been permanent merch and also >>72254516

>> No.72254689

>>72254531
They are missing keys for other layouts all they would need to do is include the extra keys.

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I love the pink rat.

>> No.72254724

>>72254381
If your dick is under 6 just lose weight and do some cardio
And drop porn (not fapping)

>> No.72254804

I think Vei has amputee fetish now

>> No.72254891

>>72254804
>wouldn't the swimmer with one leg just rotate

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>>72254891

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https://x.com/MataraKan/status/1772262662203654190?s=20

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>>72254928(me)
PLEASE. MATA. YOU DON'T KNOW MY SCHIZOPHRENIA.

>> No.72254986
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Now THIS is react content.

>> No.72254989

>>72254928
Matara on the left, vshojo on the right

>> No.72254997

Had a dream sonch did a nude reveal and woke up with a stiffy

>> No.72255020

>>72254928
>>72254970
AIEEEEEEE my rrat about April 1st is still a deerskin collab

>> No.72255050

>>72255020
Yeah I don't think we will get Mika just yet.

>> No.72255068

>>72254804
welp someone send soda a bonesaw

>> No.72255116

>>72255050
opportunity has passed. she took to long now her time is gone.

>> No.72255141

Come on Vei watch the special Olympics

>> No.72255154

>>72254724
>not fapping
That doesn't change the size, just don't death grip

>> No.72255159

>Looking at the art tags
>Picture of Haruka getting fucked by a couple minotaurs in her lewd tag
>Think one of them has a cock that looks like candy corn
>Keep scrolling
>See what looks like someone putting a weenie next to their phone in Mouse's tag
>It's a cum tribute to Nyan in Mouse's tag for some reaeson
Anyway interesting cock-related activities this morning.

>> No.72255179

>>72255116
Holo already secured her long ago. Vshojo never had a shot. Idol fans want to be surrounded by idols.

>> No.72255207

>>72255050
I think hope we still will, but if we do and if it's related to April 1st which I'm not fully discounted it definitely wouldn't be a debut. The weeklong tease could start then

>> No.72255210

>>72255159
It's a trannyschizo that reposts katie porn for some reason

>> No.72255271

>>72255159
whats mooses lewd art tag

>> No.72255298

>>72255154
I meant don't drop fapping, just masturbate without porn

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>>72255210
Just looked at the second one and yeah that guy's definitely a schizo. The first one seems like an upstanding citizen though, except for the lighting making this guy's cock look like candy corn lmao.
>>72255271
#Harukultured

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>>72255020
Hey did you know in Niji Mika's birthday was April 1st

>> No.72255343

>>72255310
oh

well i did NOT know that IT'S TIME TO RRAT

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>>72255299
Nice

>> No.72255498

lmao was that a snivs vid in the recommended

>> No.72255561 [DELETED] 

Mel might be upset today with the UN Gaza Vote results. Just giving you guys the heads up.

>> No.72255574

>>72255159
I don’t see any of those lol

>> No.72255616

>>72255561
Gaza this!

>> No.72255768

>>72255561
>Vote
>pw-pwease stop :(
Hahaha Merkava goes brrrrrr

>> No.72255769

>>72255561
Are you stupid or am I missing the joke again?

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2 cuties

>> No.72255816

>>72254970
Like, c'mon.
>talked at length for months about how she's not burned out just doesn't want to be at [company]
>Mata said about 'introducing her friend who wants to be a content creator' before the Japan trip
>has been buddy-buddy with not just past co-workers but geega/froot/zen for a while
>***was in contact with Gunrun when they went to Japan***
>tweeted about "I want to do things" and "this will be a great year" AFTER the above contact
>only big vtubers that she follows are VSJ or +
>said during her twitter space she's not going to use the fan-made model that someone rigged for her
>pet artist on a leash by Mata
>"I wish artists would get more credit for what they do behind the scenes"
The question is WHEN not IF.

>> No.72255828 [DELETED] 

>>72255769
No, there is no joke. Mel is politically active and Jewish.

>> No.72255841

>>72255561
Mel gonna go full DN reacting to the vtuber awards fr fr

>> No.72255884

>>72255804
Which stream did I miss here?

>> No.72255929

>>72255884
the final fantasy sponsor stream they did recently, they were being cute for a bit beforehand

>> No.72255939 [DELETED] 

>>72255828
>politically active and Jewish
She's a lefty American/Canadian jewish person, they're more likely to be anti-zionist than pro

>> No.72255960
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Vshojo is the perfect example of Having excellent models doesn't translate automatically into getting good merchs.
I would prefer getting a momo over anything resembling matara as merch. Same goes for Henya, she had a top notch model compared to her older one but Pika was better suited as mascot and merch.
Idk

>> No.72255973

I want Cottontail, Shylily amd all of vchiban /in/

>> No.72256015

>>72255960
the problem is moreso that a lot of them don't have mascots / don't use their mascots a lot. Zen has geckos to use, mel has T1M, matara has her momo's, what do the rest have?

>> No.72256033

>>72255973
They would provide zero addition to the agency.
No value added
Very few new viewers since they are mostly orbiters.
tap into the same market so probably same fans.

>> No.72256076

>>72255960
We need more merch like the Kuro shirt
Something I can wear to the supermarket without looking like a creep kek

>> No.72256115

>>72256033
Are you retarded? Shylily is likely the strongest realistic addition to vshojo I can think of.

>> No.72256139

>>72255960
Pretty much all of the merch Mata is gonna push includes the Momo mostly. Same with like Henya and her cat. It really depends on what the talent wants, and some like Matara and for example Nyan, loved their mascot so much, it was the main thing they would sell, goddamn I have my own pair of GoroBoxers

>> No.72256148

>>72256033
every vtuber has a core audience that mainly or only watches them so I disagree. plus we are never going to get in's who are not already associated with some of the girls and that's a good thing for vshojo.

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>>72256015
My point was their models are too detailed to look like mascots But you're right too. Mecha Zen is perfect example of good design that can be marketable as merch. Geckos and other zen models not so much.

>> No.72256163

>>72255973
>vchiban
no one talks about buffpup on /lig/ but has a pretty big CCV on twitch? Whats the overlap between buffpups viewers and ironmouses?

>> No.72256177

>>72256076
What are you trying to say here ( `ー´)

>> No.72256199

>>72256177
K9 that was a compliment

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>>72256139
>I have my own pair of GoroBoxers
Let's see Paul anon's boxers

>> No.72256220

Just give me more art prints with them wearing different clothes
( ・∀・)

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>>72256163
well about that

>> No.72256257

>>72256220
"them"

>> No.72256278

>>72256199
Anime fans already cringe

>> No.72256320

>>72255769
No, a /pol/fag that has no idea about Mel at all is just being retarded.

>> No.72256328

>>72256163
You'd have to pay stream charts to find out

>> No.72256338

>>72256033
>No value added
A cut of merch sales from Lily would be massive, you fool.

>> No.72256415

>>72256338
>Money
Cringe

>> No.72256429

>>72256257
With the girls and kuro ._. Better?

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Love my wolf wife

>> No.72256449

>>72256415
Money keeps the agency afloat.

>> No.72256462
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How many Vtubers does Zen follow? It was only recently my /lig was streaming after getting fired from VNU

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>>72256278
>Basket weaving forum that lead to anime's popularity

>> No.72256510

>>72256462
All of them. Zen was always the ultra unity force that people thought Mouse was.

>> No.72256516

>>72255960
They're not aware of the merch game. It's why the only merch that gets put out is either planned by VShojo or a designer collab.

>> No.72256537

>>72256462
this is a Phase orbiter, isn't it?

>> No.72256550

>>72256462
zen follows everyone and everything

>> No.72256564

>>72256537
your mom is a Phase orbiter

>> No.72256587

>>72256537
Phase is loved here.

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>>72256328
You can stil get an overview from their stats page

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lily's, by comparison

>> No.72256698

who in vshojo is in desperate need of a tit / ass upgrade?

>> No.72256713

>>72256466
you think 4chan is why anime is popular?

>> No.72256724

>>72256698
all of them

>> No.72256738

>>72256713
I mean I would've never found fansubs without it.

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>>72256695
>>72256631
lit 0 new market worth getting signed for

>> No.72256795

>>72256738
most people back in the day found out about them by them getting posted to youtube or other popular sites

>> No.72256821

>>72256695
Silver and Filian are /in/

>> No.72256826

>>72256631
>>72256695
Most of it is using outdated data

>> No.72256830 [DELETED] 

Dude I hecking love Phase and oppressing minorities

>> No.72256841

>>72256698
All must be flattened.

>> No.72256884 [DELETED] 

>>72256830
Do you think Hitler would enjoy Pippa?

>> No.72256901

I conced3

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>> No.72256932

>>72256884
He'd love her

>> No.72256973

Do we get more /pol/fags here or is this normal?

>> No.72256994

>>72256973
What are you talking about?

>> No.72257006

>>72256973
Lost tourists, ignore and report.

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>>72256462
Zen follows EVERYONE. Even some henya's anti clout chaser was followed by her until they unfollowed them.

>> No.72257104

>>72257006
>tourist
/vsj+/ is an open thread for all Vtubers. You literally cannot be a tourist here.

>> No.72257102

This is normally how the thread looks like without streams. Chill

>> No.72257121 [DELETED] 

>>72256177
>( `ー´)
That you should die in a fucking fire.

>> No.72257154

>>72257102
We have a lot of newfags if you haven't noticed.

>> No.72257168

>>72257104
No, it isn't.
>A thread to discuss VShojo and vtubers who frequently associate with them.

>> No.72257174

>>72256698
Kuro

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>> No.72257193

>>72257104
You're trying to shit up the thread because you dislike it here. It sounds like tourism to me.

>> No.72257205

>>72257104
amazing bait anon, this'll get so many replies

>> No.72257228

>>72257168
They know that, ignore and report.

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>>72255816
Gunrun is also friends with Kamii on Chess.com

>> No.72257279

>>72257236
Kuro can play chess?

>> No.72257327

>>72257168
>thread rules
>meaning anything

>> No.72257346

>>72257279
Yes. He's actually been grinding on it for a while. I made the post in the screenshot and it's stil funny to me that Gun has Kamii added there, but not Kuro. I also posted again shortly after when seeing that Gun and Kamii actually played together and Kamii won

>> No.72257353

>>72257327
>being argumentative just for the sake of it

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>>72255960
I want chibi Henya merch.

>> No.72257377

>>72257327
They can be used to argue for why someone is shitting up the thread.

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>>72257346
>and Kamii won

>> No.72257422

>>72255561
TFW you will never have a GF yelling yiddish slurs at your cock.

>> No.72257457

>>72257236
Who are Gun's chess friends? I must know.

>> No.72257503

>>72257377
They can't be used for jack shit.

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hyena dayo

>> No.72257549

>mousefags shitting up the thread yet again

>> No.72257566

>>72257549
It was some mel polfag.

>> No.72257621

>>72257549
It's always mousefags trying to come up with some convoluted reason to get certain discussion banned from the thread. They get BTFO every time and keep coming back.

>> No.72257640

You win

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>>72257457
5. I don't recognize anyof them though. You can guess which one's Kamii from the flag though. Though now that I think about it the name could be a hint for her new identity

>> No.72257683

>>72257651
>shindigs
huh

>> No.72257693

>>72257651
You need a new hobby.

>> No.72257714

>>72257651
>Shindigs
I hope it's this guy. If so that is awesome if he's working for VSJ now.
https://twitter.com/shindags?lang=en

>> No.72257735

>>72257714
How does being Gun's friend on chess.com correlate to working for VSJ?

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>>72257180
>tfw ywn be a hivemind
https://youtu.be/KDErK6FBYHQ?t=144

>> No.72257739

>>72257714
>friends on chess
>he's working for VSJ now.
That's quite the fuckin leap you have made.

>> No.72257778

Do people just skip the word "IF" nowadays?

>> No.72257816

>>72257778
If isn't magic.

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>>72257739
I got my job with vshojo through gunruns jenga league.

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post Hime seggs

>> No.72257885

>>72257833
Do your fucking job and get some JP talents you fucking hack. I won't even watch them, but having a foot hold there would still be useful.

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>>72257863

>> No.72257941

>>72257885
Too busy mastering

>> No.72257942

>>72257885
He's still working on mastering

>> No.72257984

Meeting Geega and making babies on the spot

>> No.72258038

>>72255960
Just release a purple toaster on merch. It took eons for GYARI to release them for Pika, and they did they sold out immediately

>> No.72258065

>>72257885
They need to fix the current talents before getting new ones.

>> No.72258135

>>72258065
We need to stop VShoujou from being WHORES. No more Chaturbate. No more sex jokes. Only karaoke and concerts.

>> No.72258195

>>72257984
I wouldn't breed a womanlet

>> No.72258204

>>72258135
Nah. They need mental help. There's 4 depressed autists, a depressed retard, and a hikikomori.

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>>72257651
Yeah, Mochi is Mika.

>> No.72258249

>>72258216
>400 rating
damn kuro is some asscheeks at chess kek

>> No.72258289

>>72254340
Who fucking cares? Theyre for a specific group of people who like custom keys, and are fucking expensive just because it's them.

>> No.72258297

>>72258249
It was a 9 move game. They're both pretty bad, but those are their rapid ratings.

>> No.72258394

>>72258289
Poor alert

>> No.72258405

>>72258289
Yes anon. That's literally all merch. Who cares about plushes? They're for a specific group of people who like plushes. Who cares about apparel? They're for a specific group of people who like shirts. Quit being retarded.

>> No.72258427

did Geega meet up with swedish Vinny last week?

>> No.72258453

>>72258427
>Did Geega meet
I don't know how this post ended but no

>> No.72258591

>>72254449
that could literally be any roach

>> No.72258612

>>72258405
nah, see. shirts are a thing for anyone. It's a mass appeal. Same for plushies. keycaps are a niche. You want to say they are all the same then go back to your corner eating glue

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72258622

Time to go barhopping again!

>> No.72258626
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>>72257863

>> No.72258629

>>72258612
They're clearly not for everyone. Just look at this post >>72256076

>> No.72258643

>>72258626
the perfect female body type

>> No.72258646

>>72258612
Anon, we're talking about vtuber merch.

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SEX WITH SCOTT

>> No.72258719

Froog cunny

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>>72258612
>Don't make merch that serves a niche
>B...Because just don't!
Nigga shut the fuck up. People have different interests.

>> No.72258736

>>72258648
He's barely a year old, you freak.

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Froot wants to be goth without people being weird about it. Not gonna happen

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72258787

Stop fetishizing Froot immediately.

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Just got this in my recomended

>> No.72258793

>>72256432
i dont remember posting this but yes, i do with all my soul.

>> No.72258826

>>72258790
geega going after young twinks? shocking

>> No.72258841

>>72258790
i now have an immense urge to repaint my walls brain matter gray

>> No.72258865

>>72258790
Kuro could not handle a girl like Shylily. He also couldn't handle a girl like Geega. He could handle Shoto though

>> No.72258887

>>72258780
>>72258787
she's not wrong, most modern "goths" nowadays are just posers who never interacted with the goth subculture beyond wearing dark eyeliner and black clothes

>> No.72258889

>>72258841
Make sure to properly line up the canvas

>> No.72258940

>>72258865
He's got a better girl than either already.

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>>72258889
will do

>> No.72258949

>>72258887
who cares, just show me fat pale titties

>> No.72258997

>>72254928
begun the april fools trolling has.

>> No.72259036

>>72258612
I don't get why noone is making phone cases.
seems like a no--brainer, very personable and everyday use, would sell insanely well

>> No.72259083

>>72258887
Kinda sad how 'vtubing' is widely seen as a kink now instead of a subculture

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It's cute how "as well!" has become Henya's English "dayo!"

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>>72258790
>Anti-shipping
>No shipping rule
>Anti-shipping
>No shipping rule

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>>72254928
Speaking of this is something I've wanted to see VShojo do for a while. I think it'd be funny. I know that Pomu and Selen did it a while back and it got memed to shit and back

>> No.72259137

https://twitter.com/zentreya/status/1772327305207038423
yeah its over

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>>72258790
Mika, don't look!

>> No.72259158

>>72259091
I was a bit disappointed that she didn't really get to shine last night. I get that its tough for her in big groups.

>> No.72259170

>>72257714
It is, Gunrun and him are friends. Sometimes I catch his streams and there have been a few times I catch him writing stuff

>> No.72259248

>>72259083
the difference is that gothic subculture starte as a subculture, where as vtubing started with just the models put got a subculture forced upon it by hololive and others

>> No.72259296

>>72259248
>hololive invented vtubing
AND HALO INVENTED THE FPS

>> No.72259309

Did Mouse say what she's streaming today?

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>>72258865
Shylily also couldn't handle Kuro. Pairing them would be a funny sitcom episode where 2 people try to date when you know that they have zero romantic chemistry even if they get along.

Geega could handle Kuro though. That hag is well-versed in keeping young men under control.

>> No.72259347

>>72259248
Vtubing started with Ai, so she had a massive influence on the subculture.

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>>72254928
She's coming back !!!!!!!

>> No.72259360

>>72259296
>>hololive invented vtubing
work on your reading comprehension
vtubing (the usage of models) came before anything someone could classify as a subculture

>> No.72259435

>>72259158
the one thing i really want from vshojo is more 1on1 collabs
these big group collabs aren't great for anyone

>> No.72259486

>>72259360
>vtubing (the usage of models)
What is this definition? Avatar streamers and VR Chat streamers are and were a thing separate from vtubing for years. Vtubing was started by Kizuna Ai.

>> No.72259495

>>72259309
world of warcraft

>> No.72259500

>>72259309
LC lobby I believe

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>>72259360
I'm pretty sure you have as firm a grasp on the term "vtubing" as you have on the term "subculture."
Stay in your lane, ESL.

>> No.72259528

>>72259486
>Vtubing was started by Kizuna Ai.
The term was coined with her, but the phenomenon was not.

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>>72259359

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>>72259544

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>>72259544

>> No.72259629

>>72259528
>but the phenomenon was not
The main vtubing subculture directly stems from her.

>> No.72259630

>>72259083
This is quite stupid because comparing goth, a subculture that existed for almost 30 to 40 years to a subculture such as vtuber, which isn’t really a subculture, that’s quite literally on it’s infancy and evolving. There’s also the fact that same with like Otaku/Weeb culture, they were really the “weirdo” group, up until late 10’s and probably prior as well, where the subculture got a second wind of being the “baddies” and thus, a major sexualization.

>> No.72259703

>>72259629
>main vtubing subculture
define what this main vtuber subculture is about

>> No.72259722

kizuna ai will always be a pale imitation of waldo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP6TUB7KQc4

>> No.72259802

>>72259544
>>72259583
>>72259622
Fuck off.

>> No.72259805

>>72259360
I'm 100% nijisanji popularized the l2d model. Hololive didn't invent jackshit.

>> No.72259834

>>72259703
Motion tracked anime girls talking and playing video games.

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>>72259802

>> No.72259864

>>72259805
>Hololive didn't invent jackshit.
They did try to pull of the "vutbing is idol culture akshually" thing. Luckily that received a pushback and is contained to idol corpos now.

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>>72259722
Yeah but did waldo collab with Nyanners? I think not.

>> No.72259885

>>72259805
You're right. There was even a bit of elitism about that, sayiny that l2d vtubers arent real vtubers kek.

>> No.72259909

We have no jannies left, do we.

>> No.72259911

>>72259834
Doesn't that just make the part of the streaming subculture and not really their own thing?
The only different thing is that they use a model.

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>>72259802

>> No.72259948

>>72259864
Idol culture is the /vt/ boogyman.

>> No.72259953

>>72259909
What's the problem? People keep saying this even when there's nothing going on.

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>>72259867
Waldo covered straight outta compton with nyan back in 08 but youtube took it down. Can still find it on the darkweb. Gunch played it on stream one time.

>> No.72260017

>>72259948
In bizarro world.

>> No.72260021

I just want to be a Gothic vampire because of its Victorian nature
(*´,_ゝ`) I am poser

>> No.72260095 [DELETED] 

>>72260021
>(*´,_ゝ`)
We know, shitstain. Go gargle hydrochloric acid.

>> No.72260101

>>72260021
When is your debut?

>> No.72260158

>>72260101
When I get a camera and not shitty computer for cheap price .-.

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>>72259867
>Its been 3 years

>> No.72260184

>>72259911
There's nuance in it being a fictional character. A streamer behind an avatar is still thought of and treated as a person, but a vtuber has suspension of disbelief. It's much closer to roleplaying than traditional streaming.

>> No.72260226

>>72259867
Modern vshojo could never.

>> No.72260243

>>72260158
Klll your self.

>> No.72260349

>>72259805
Prior to the push of Live2D, what I like to call “proto-vtubers” existed too, and they were proof of basically being the base that would lead into vtubers without the fucking need of doing idol culture. Mouse is unironically one from the west, but in Japan and this was around the time where Ai was popular too, there were quite the number of JP streamers who would use FaceRig and do streams with it. In fact, prior to the push of companies to treat vtubers as idols such as Ai and Mariah Carey, streaming from them was actually rare iirc. It was mostly skits, and recoded footage that they would react to in videos.
>>72259864
Hololive only push this mindset on the west, not really in vtubers as a whole. They are a bit at fault of the first years making a huge remark on the difference between a soon to be Holo and a “VShojo”core (even prior to VShojo but obviously not calling it like that) that would basically infect the community even to this day. Tho as said before, Vtubers without the idol stuff existed, it was only that Hololive made such a huge remark at following what the other did and drawing inspirations from AKB48, which did make them popular but it ended in a mess of a community. Where people that are just using a model to stream and didn’t want to be an “idol” got harassed, doxed, and bullied.

>> No.72260386

>>72260226
Modern vshojo would have no interest in that.

>> No.72260391

>>72260243
Blog posting is allowed here, chill out.

>> No.72260463

>>72260349
Is this fan fiction?

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Mata schedule. No stream today. Sunday and Monday next week seem interesting

>> No.72260504

I'm impressed by how wide the net of connections Vshojo's talent combined has.
Vshojo has relatively few talents compared to other agencies, but they have friends and connections all over.
And it's not that they don't share a lot of friends, they do, but rather that aside from their shared friends they also have tons of people that just one of them talk to.
Geega, Mouse, Zen, could pretty much bring in a new person every day for a game of Helldivers to introduce to the others and not run out for months.

>> No.72260535

>>72260498
All Momos prepare for harvest.

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>>72260349

>> No.72260566

>>72260498
momos you're finally going to get eaten!! god bless

>> No.72260568

>>72259909
Are you seriously trying to suggest a discussion about what vtubing is, is somehow off-topic?

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>>72260498
>>72260535
>Big hehe energy
We are so fucking back

>> No.72260599

>>72260498
Oh she thinks she's being cute

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Froot stop making me feel bad about shitposting on /lig/, here and /pmg/ a week ago who is goth or scene.

>> No.72260641

>>72260021
Gothic culture (the fancy chrches and fancy clothes) and modern goth subculture (gothic rock, black edgy make-up etc.) are two different things

>> No.72260764

>>72260629
Besides Froot who’s also a goth Vtuber

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Having malady as her pfp really makes all of Mel's tweets 100x better

>> No.72260805

>>72253756
MAKE PORN OF HER IMMEDIATELY

>> No.72260819

Anyone see an outfit showcase video for Hime from the rigger yet?
Also any Momo got that one image of the Momo getting squeezed? I think be a hand or something.

>> No.72260844

>>72260349
Anon, your head canon is disturbing and does not match reality. Please seek help.

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>>72260598
what does that mean, momo?

>> No.72260937

Any vshojo going to weebcon this week?

>> No.72260936

>>72260764
Layna, Snuffy and I think Zen

>> No.72260960

>>72260641
Okie dokie there was a lady I watched who listened to alt music but dressed Victorian though

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>>72260504
Mouse has all flesh streamers, e-celebs and south american scene.
Zentreya has the entirety of the English indie vtubing scene
Kson has the entirety of the JP indie content creator scene
Henya has access to to every vtuber if she wanted to.
Hime got access to the whole expat/anime scene
Melody runs deep too
Froot only connections that grows is her antis
Matara got niji and old school twitch connections
Geega has girls FC and GTA RP
Kuro has connections all the lady boys in Manilla

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>>72260819
Which one you want? I got two?

>> No.72261005

>>72260937
just geega

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>> No.72261017

>>72260796
I love that Malady pfp. Also, yet another day Mel stuffs herself full of lox bagels.

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>>72260764
I only know of one other vtuber as goth as Froot.

>> No.72261054

>>72260960
you cane combine both of those styles, but my point is that you can be one without being the other

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>>72260819
For a moment there my brain thought of a completely different Momo when reading that...

>> No.72261089

>>72261054
Yeah I know that ( ´△`)

>> No.72261090

>>72260987
Froots artist reach should NOT be underestimated. She is also now one of the most consistent YT successes in vshojo

>> No.72261105

>>72260498
>trusting anything in Mata's schedule
lol
lmao even

>> No.72261108

>>72260764
Unironically Shondo and to a lesser extent Grimmi

>> No.72261141

rip vedal. hope he tastes good

>> No.72261154

>>72261141
tabs

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>>72261090
Did she ever use her connections though? to me it looks like yeah she knows them and that's basically it. Could be a different situation behind the scene but that's jsut me speculating

>> No.72261185

>>72261108
Grimmi isn't goth, she's just malnourished

>> No.72261190

>>72261011
Based giantess org

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>>72261154
Neuro-sama is a + and we are streamless

>> No.72261234

>>72261185
so 12th century RP goth

>> No.72261235 [DELETED] 

>>72261089
>( ´△`)
Stick needles under your fingernails until you bleed to death, fucking whore.

>> No.72261244

>>72261170
The same can be said about everything at VShojo.

>> No.72261250

>>72260987
>Froot only connections that grows is her antis
artist vtubers would like to have a word with you
also Froot's singing opened up a whole new world for her as well when it comes to connections

>> No.72261285

>>72261235
I don't think a normal person can bleed to death from their fingernails.

>> No.72261289

>>72261090
Also apex

>> No.72261291

>>72261250
>Froot's singing opened up a whole new world for her as well when it comes to connections
hypotheticals she's too autistic to capitalize on

>> No.72261332

>>72261291
Anon, you're in /vsj+/. Most of the positives are hypothetical.

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>>72261291
>Too autistic to capitalize on

>> No.72261431

>>72261343
No facts, an ant-i is trying to seethe

>> No.72261449

>>72261431
I chuckled

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Froot

>> No.72261502

>>72258204
>depressed
>autistic
>neet
That's on every corpo or indie group anon.

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>> No.72261568

>>72261502
VShojo has an insanely high rate.

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>>72261474
seggs

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I thought an idea like this would be cool for my sona but then I realized don't like the dress to much._.

>> No.72261614

>>72261001
Thanks, not that one, there was a different one.

>> No.72261625

>>72259500
>sykkuno has variety in his title
Thank you mouse for inviting him again after he actively ignored you and Lena and carried on playing gta instead!

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>> No.72261648

>>72261568
Not really. We've even imported neets from other companies.

>> No.72261681

>>72261625
mouse and bad collabs go hand in hand. when she didn’t say who was joining you should have expected this

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>> No.72261720

>>72261648
More than half of the members are either sick or depressed to the point where it interferes with their schedule on a regular basis.

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>> No.72261789

>>72261720
Oh no, mouse is sick and it's making her stream 300 hours in a month.

>> No.72261800

>>72261612
balls

>> No.72261821

>>72261681
I'm more annoyed that he gets away with his shitty behavior. Mouse was annoyed at him after ignoring Lena trying to get him to join a collab he'd agreed to and now she's invited him to another one.

>> No.72261852

>>72261789
Mouse's depression makes her stream until she gets sicker and repeats the cycle.

>> No.72261863

Where is kuro 18+ art?

>> No.72261882

>>72261235
that doesn't even make sense
you're losing your touch, schizo-chan

>> No.72261899

>>72261821
how funny would it be if he ditches her again today

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Don’t know which is the right thread to share this pic so I just post here

>> No.72261946

>>72261911
I like that Sinder's been doing weird craft streams. Also I love Cotton

>> No.72261952

>>72261911
god i love fat fucking tits

>> No.72261959

>>72261911
uhh dude, that would be /lig/

>> No.72261976

>>72261911
>tattoo
>flesh
>tranny gloves
and another dead vtuber

>> No.72261988

>>72261911
who's tittolies are these

>> No.72262018

>>72261720
Mouse is the only one who's exceptional because she has a condition. Otherwise this is all pretty standard shit. The girls in the big corpos are just under more pressure to be consistent and keep a lid on any issues they're having.

>> No.72262020

>>72261988
Sinder. Not watching but looks like she's going to be doing an Espeon crochet. Cotton's probably just there to hang out.

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>>72261911

>> No.72262038

>>72261976
the fuck are tranny gloves

>> No.72262078
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>>72261988
cotton's fat tits. seems like her model is accurate on that end.

>> No.72262086

>>72261988
@CottontailVA

>> No.72262088

>>72262018
All the corpos have members that take long breaks and loads of indies do too. That guy just seems to be full of shit.

>> No.72262146

>>72261821
Mouse literally ghosted an otv LC collab with him and rae good to see her getting a taste of her own medicine

>> No.72262149

>>72262018
Even then, it's nowhere near as prevalent as it is here.

>> No.72262151

>>72262078
Wait that is Cotton yeah. I just had to check and yeah that matches the tattoos she's got. Neat.

>> No.72262168

>>72261821
>>72261899
the lobby will be shit with or without him. him not showing up would be a minor improvement though

>> No.72262228

>>72262088
You're trying to swing it as just being long breaks, which doesn't make sense when them streaming is the sporadic part.

>> No.72262291

>>72262151
It's almost like our plus and not yet to be updated plus are collabing. https://www.twitch.tv/cottontailva

>> No.72262309

>>72262038
gloves that trannys wear trying to hide their man hands.

>> No.72262324

>>72261976
are you retarded?

>> No.72262352

>>72262309
>>72261976
mental illness at display here

>> No.72262423 [DELETED] 

We hate trannies here

>> No.72262431

>>72262146
I'm sure mouse had a good reason dumbass. Sykkuno was on stream ignoring dms from Mouse and she still invited him again today.

>> No.72262470

>>72262324
>>72262352
it's okay that you have zero standards. Must be nice being able to fall in love with the 5 dollar hooker behind 7-eleven

>> No.72262484

I want Katie to impregnate me

>> No.72262520
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>>72262470
what the actual fuck are you talking about?

>> No.72262525

>>72262149
I don't know if that's actually true or if it's just more visible here

>> No.72262529

>>72262423
Then why is Zen so popular?

>> No.72262570

>>72262431
Mousefags making up excuses for their ditching oshi again

>> No.72262574

>>72262520
about your ability to have zero standards

>> No.72262575

>>72262431
>I'm sure mouse had a good reason dumbass.
She's sick, sure, but she's also terrible with scheduling. SOTD got pushed back weeks over a change that didn't happen.

>> No.72262581

I am a man of very high standards. If your GAWK GAWK GAWK game is not on the level of my queen CottontailVA, then don't even bother.

>> No.72262588

>>72262484
So do trannyspergs going by that nyan tribute guys twitter

>> No.72262598
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72262598

>>72262529
who knows?

>> No.72262625

>>72262431
She ignored their dms too and just ended stream to show up at connor's lmao

>> No.72262650
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>> No.72262664

>>72262625
>a connor collab instead of otv
so she did a good thing?

>> No.72262691

>>72262650
Do not post this picture ever again.

>> No.72262728

I concede, you win

>> No.72262729

>>72262484
Just like me fr fr

>> No.72262733

>>72262664
She did the same thing he did. It's up to you whether it's a good or bad thing.

>> No.72262753

>>72261821
The sooner you retards learn that streamers cancel on each other all the time and don't take it personally the sooner you can move on with your lives

>> No.72262809
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72262809

Vshojo antis are trying hard again, too bad for them that we already won and will keep winning no matter how hard they sperg out here.

>> No.72262819

>>72262753
Mouse takes it personally.

>> No.72262835
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72262835

>>72262809
The art for Hime's new outfit alone please stream more Hime so the art keeps coming

>> No.72262838

>>72262733
when the alternative is sykkuno and his shit group the answer is fairly obvious

>> No.72262860

>>72262753
the threadshitters arent even aware of how that all went down the other day for their fanfiction kek

>> No.72262865
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72262865

we all need more zen and hime in our lives

>> No.72262921

>>72262809
>we already won and will keep winning
Do we win at anything other than awards shows?

>> No.72262967

>>72262838
Better than the monkey leech that's for sure

>> No.72262981

>>72262921
english stream hours to watch

>> No.72262982

>>72262921
mask off moment.

>> No.72263000

why dead oshi posting did someone get mind broken

>> No.72263010

>>72262921
What part of golden age that you don't understand? Its literally right there.
Shaking my head

>> No.72263013

>>72262838
>it's okay for mouse to be a hypocrite bc I don't like x person
Typical mousefags

>> No.72263035

>deckbuilders sale on steam
good day to be geega

>> No.72263056

>>72262921
Various corpos are exploding atm and we're winning by doing nothing

>> No.72263067

NTA but i concede

>> No.72263075
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72263075

>>72262921
Hours streamed

>> No.72263092

>>72262967
>>72263013
>threadshitters are now pretending to like sykkuno
lol
lmao

>> No.72263101

>>72262921
Year of hime

>> No.72263107

>>72263056
We're next. I feel it in my plums.

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>>72263013
>defending sykkuno
the fucking state of this thread

>> No.72263134

>>72261625
mouse ruins another collab great, I hope he gets bored and leaves

>> No.72263159

Froot's toes in my mouth

>> No.72263190

>>72263056
I don't think VShojo has much to gain by other corpos exploding unless they want the talents.

>> No.72263245

>>72263013
are you seriously defending a bitchy twink who stole variety geega from us?

>> No.72263247

>>72263190
I want Hex, Aster, Luca, Finana, Uki and Kotoka.

>> No.72263250

>>72263075
So it's a competition between the go live and end stream buttons?

>> No.72263263

>>72263092
>>72263127
squatters running out of material

>> No.72263266

>>72262664
connor ditched a otv collab beacuse he knew it was shit

>> No.72263272

>>72263190
Vshojo doesn't seem intent on chasing endless growth, they got a comfy position inside of a streaming niche that nets them a good profit, no need ot rock the boat

>> No.72263275

>>72263092
I don't have to like the gta twink to hate connor

>> No.72263282

>>72263190
VShojo's in a different league from all the corpos exploding so it doesn't really benefit them any lol. Niji or Holo exploding definitely would but that's probably not happening. Though they do get intrinsic good press by simply not exploding in a landscape where so many others are.
>>72263250
Streaming is a good thing in a streaming org. Who would've thought

>> No.72263323

>>72263245
That's tony

>> No.72263329

>>72263272
I would believe that if half of the talents weren't depressed.

>> No.72263339

>>72262967
hope to see you in the next two weeks on April so you can have a melty

>> No.72263341

>>72263190
Yeah it does because Vshojo doesn't fuck over talents, even those that left while everyone else has graduations and terminations that leave everyone involved unhappy.

>> No.72263354

>>72263323
tony invited her to nopixel?

>> No.72263360

>>72263092
Pointing out the hypocrisy of mousefags is simping for a fleshie now?

>> No.72263380

I SAID I CONCEDE YOU FUCKING RETARDS

>> No.72263396

NO ONE LIKES SYKKUNO

>> No.72263399

>>72263354
He's the reason she stayed

>> No.72263402

>>72263360
Oh I see your 3 days are up

>> No.72263426

I am a hypocrite i concede you win

>> No.72263445

NO ONE LIKES CONNOR

>> No.72263447
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>> No.72263467

>>72263341
VShojo doesn't own anything, so there's no issue of ownership. That's all. It's not some magnanimous gesture that they can't take what isn't theirs.

>> No.72263469
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72263469

schizophrenia? in my /vsj+/? it's more likely than you think

>> No.72263474

>>72263380
Shaking my head man, these fucking people

>> No.72263484

>>72263360
>>72263426
>I am a hypocrite i concede you win
Thanks

>> No.72263495

SEX WITH ZENPOSTERS

>> No.72263497

>>72263339
I'm still here bitch

>> No.72263498

>>72263469
Shaking my head Zentreya from VShojo

>> No.72263515

>>72263467
Ok, name another org that does this.

>> No.72263527

I think it's funny how Vei's content is pretty much the ideal for a lot of the whiners on here.

>> No.72263540

>>72263402
I haven't been banned retard

>> No.72263542

>>72263515
Mythic and Vchiban

>> No.72263594

>>72263542
Mythic is not a vtuber org and vchiban is a friend group more than anything

>> No.72263596

new thread please tone down the weirdness
>>72263556
>>72263556
>>72263556

>> No.72263603

>>72263540
Yeah sure and I'm the king of England
Our threads were free of "mousefags" posting for the past 3 days. Give it up.

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>>72263542
>mythic
they are an agency, not an org. And a shit one at that.

>> No.72263633

>>72263467
You're leaving out the fact that Vshojo is willing to invest funds into creaating vtuber models (eg. Nazuna) and is STILL lets the talent own the model in the end.

>> No.72263653

>>72263542
vchiban only exists because mythic is so bad

>> No.72263690

>>72263633
So did prism

>> No.72263707

>>72263445
the sisters do and some spergs beacuse he throws money at her

>> No.72263764

>>72263497
call him a leech for $20 for mouse charity

>> No.72263783

>>72263633
Do you really think VShojo never recouped the cost of Nazuna's model?

>> No.72263839

>>72263783
That was never my point to begin with. I'm just saying the even if Vshojo funds 100% of the expenses for a model, the talent still gets to keep it.

>> No.72263844

>>72263707
>beacuse
autism or broken keyboard?
>I know every anon in here.jpeg

>> No.72263846

>>72263633
wasn't the nazuna model paid for by some unicorn?

>> No.72263857

>>72263690
I don't think Prism planned on giving up the IP but they went out of business and probably sold the IP or negotiated some terms with the talents when they closed shops.

>> No.72263881

>>72261720
That's just the sad clown syndrome. Happens to lots of entertainers on all industries. Wouldn't surprise me if half of the girls on the blue dorito are on antidepressants. Not even trying to stir tribalfaggotry, it happens everywhere and is understandable due to alm the stress they carry. It just that some groups are/can be more vocal than others.

>> No.72263920

>>72263846
Yeah his name is MTD

>> No.72263927

>>72263857
They probably didn't have any feasible way to profit with those models, so they just decided to give them away.

>> No.72263950

>>72263839
Obviously, they can't just join for a model and leave immediately to keep the model. I'm not sure what your point is with them fronting some costs to be recouped in the contract.

>> No.72263999

>>72263927
There's no reason to assume they didn't use the IP rights for negotiation.

>> No.72264122

>>72263999
It's all assumption

>> No.72264661

>>72264122
It's a corporation anon, not a charity. And they owned the IPs. So it's more of a stretch to assume they just gave them away without negotiation.

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