/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72189596
Nijisanji skin walks talents socials when they hospitalize them.

Save a lot up, maybe even coordinate with Hololive to get a bank loan, and then release merch at the same time of the 3D event. Make huge bucks. Simple as that.

>>72189596
They pay for your 3D Debut. If you want to do 3D after that, and you initiate it, you pay for it. This is literally in the clip of course

Didn’t they use to have one free 3d a year? What happened?

>>72189596

How is it going for you sister, you're handling Nijisanji's complete streak of failures okay ?

Casual reminder than even if NijisanjiEN does 3D their branch is destined to fail. It's officially over.

>>72189596
>company pays company events
>talent pays talent events
is there something (you) don't understand in this equation?

>>72189596
Yea but the talents get higher ror on their merch from 3Ds compared to the 2% so they might recoup some of the cost.

>>72189596
This has been known for years. Holomems still do 3d stuff as a thank you for their fans and to make them happy.

>Retards like you still bring this up every once in a while as a "gotcha" moment.

So how about all the other niji 3d concerts? Oh wait...

>>72189922
It's just new beginning for NijiCN

>>72189596
This was know for ages, all it proves is that she cares enough about her audience to have one
I doubt nijiniggers can relate to that feeling anyway
Besides she probably made all her money back on it from the limited merch alone, sold out in less than 2 minutes, printing more cash than all of NijiEN combined since the start of the year KEK

>>72189596
then how come roberu had 3d stream where he leave everything to his manager? did he just gave blank check to cover?

What are sisters deflecting about today?

>>72189898
Birthday lives were always optional and up to the talents.

>>72190125
>she cares enough
not like faunigger

>>72189596
Since Gura technically had her 3d in 2022 does that mean the ones after that including the showcase and the shared one with Marine were out of pocket?

What did Niji do this time?

>>72189596
And they are still retards who thinks companies are charities?

what did niji do this time?

>>72189898
I just checked and the new policy doesn't go into effect until April of this year. Otherwise, as far as I'm aware, talents have always had to pay for 3D events they themselves plan. (Like I remember Mel, Choco, Subaru, Temma, and Astel have talked about the cost of their birthday lives.)

>>72190345
Take your Holo vs Holo shit and choke on it you sub-human nigger

>>72189596
>pay something expensive out of her pocket for her fans
>still live comfortably
>doesn't have to wage
Nijinigs can't relate lmfao

>>72189596
>Kronii famously doesn't like idol culture
>pays for her own idol concert because she enjoys being in Hololive and being an anime idol

>>72190516
>Kronii famously doesn't like idol culture
>He believes the catalog lies

>>72190357
yes, marine said as much herself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUTso5qunJg

>>72189813
You don’t even need the bank loan. The talents can probably work out deals like with their MVs where the company foots the initial bill as an interest free loan, and they get paid back via a portion of their future paychecks (how big that portion is can depend on the deal. Watame decided to just use SC money for repayment, whereas Okayu decided to use her whole paycheck and live off her savings for a while.).

>>72190125
Selen did her own 3D concert and it only made management more angry with her since it made them look incompetent. So they proceeded to fuck her and permanently delete her channel.

These western clips look so fucking shitty. Garbage.

>>72190420
Astel's was because he wanted to go over budget, management had set a budget for it but it would be something simple, probably the stage and songs, which means that the budget only really covers the cost of running the studio.
But for most people those lives are special so everything they add will cost money, like a custom stage, 3D props, outfits, animations, all of that is paid by the talent with the possibility of Cover lending them the money and taking from future payments.

>>72190420
Didn’t Astel say they had a basic budget funded by the company, but they could spend their own money to make it better? The type that talk about the financial aspect of 3D Lives usually aren’t the type to half-ass it.

>>72190430
cope saplinigger

>>72189596
she would be able to pay for it in like a month if she wasn't so dumb

>>72190632
>One was a nijisanji vtuber.
>The other is a hololive vtuber.
Anon youre comparing apples to oranges

>>72190003
Only Niji takes 2% of corpo merch. No one else.

>>72190791
The point is that Nijisanji is clearly worse than other companies.

>>72190632
So is Rosemi in financial debt because Nijisanji doesn't pay for anything? They even flagged her stream to Sony so it gets blocked and she has to pay future penalties on top of the costs for 3D.

>>72189596
Talents paying out of pocket for something the company gets to own and profit from is something I always found kind of weird about corpo vtubers.

>>72189596
what else is kronii going to spend that money on? ice cream, antidepressants, jumbo double ended dildos?

>>72191210
I mean, yeah.

>>72190345
>hvh
oh no can someone do a wellness check on nijisisters bros they can't be long for this world

>>72190574
>WE paid for everything
>what WE planned
Fuck Gura did pay. Notice Marine switches to I when she is referring to herself. Marine admit they had to take a lost for it too. Gura already paid out of pocket for that anime opening of hers last year which was at least ten times the cost of a EN branch MV with illustrations, according to Bae. And people here that get upset when Gura promotes her own birthday merch.

>>72189898
No?? They used to have the option to pay for a birthday and anniversary live if they wanted, but now they have only one of them per year, so everyone gets the time to do it if they want. And it's optional, you can simply skip it and do a normal stream if you feel like it. And if you do it, the company gives you the studio for free (it would cost at least 6 digits in other places), but you have to pay for the rest, like illustrations, cameraman, those lights in the background, the director and that shit, and you also pay for the merch, but normally with that you recover a minimum of 5x times the price you paid

>>72191158
The talent makes plenty of profit from the event, and they're getting to use company resources (studio, staff, connections, promotion...) for free.
The talents only have to pay for custom assets, song rights, outside collaborations etc.

Expensive things are expensive
Cover is a private company not a communist state

>>72189822
Shiori loves the 3d I wonder if she'll go broke for using it too nuch

>>72189813
>>72189822
Corpos should be giving you 3D all expenses paid. What's the point of a corpo if they don't provide that shit?
>>72189898
>one free 3D
Fucking kek, are you kidding me?
>>72189909
>>72189922
Cope, mindbroken cucks. You'd bump this thread to 500 replies if it was Niji

Holo cocksuckers

>>72191636
Hahahahahah

Holocopers realy think this bitch was breaking the bank every time she went live.
Just face it, large corpos are fucking scamming their talents by acting like 3Ds bust their balls.

>>72189596
>talent has to invest their own money into an IP the company owns

>>72192088
It's still stupid, but Hololive's apparently paying well enough that it's not an issue.
Not gonna argue that it's a stupid fucking practice that these agencies are effectively leasing out their IPs for streamers to use and develop, but clearly they seem to provide enough support for it to be worth the costs.

>>72189596
I feel like this is the case for any project... which is why no EN does anything or when they do, they try to sidestep whatever they have to pay (think Watson studio and sponsorships).

>>72189596
This is perfectly fine though.
The company got the riggers and artists and they own it.
You actually just cannot say you wanna use it out of nowhere, 3D requires support to be used. Motion tracking and all, that shit costs money if you wanna use it on your own.

Literally a nothingburger.

If they want 3D the girls can pay half to have kaneru skin walk

>>72192674
If they did that they'd actually end up with better content, too. Especially if they used the models Selen fucking paid for.

>>72189596
Didn't Nijisanji hide a suicide attempt and was selling that persons voice packs at the same time, and coincidentally they also already decided to terminate her at that point?

>>72190416
some psycho niji dude fuck around with his friend's father ashes and flushing live fish down the toilet apparently.

>>72189596
>if you have to pay to use a studio then you're a black company
This board's IQ is sub 50 and it shows.

>>72189596
You'll get lots of holofucks trying to defend this, because muh bandwagon, but the truth is, this is likely a huge reason why most of EN is on life support. No talent is interested in the money, time, and effort to grow a brand that doesn't give much back in return. JPs enjoy a large amount of privilege and popularity, so they can afford more events, but even on the JP side, events are far and few between for only a handful of talents.
>inb4 t-they make you relevant, y-you'd s-still be a s-seething 2view if n-not for t-t-them
I wonder how popular hololive would be without anyone to give life to the models
...

>>72189596
>And there are still retards who say Hololive isn't a black company
yeah everyone? lol keep seething sister with that shitty low view 3D

>>72193056
>this is likely a huge reason why most of EN is on life support
yeah like kiara going to maldives throwing money,gura not even streaming,TOO MUCH MONEY,suck to be you poorfag

>>72190516
Kronii and management likely made a deal where she agreed to put on a birthday live. I doubt that Kronii likes having to use the coomerbait default outfit for 3D events but the contract negotiations must be going well. There was a lot of curious angel/devil symbolism during the live which might explain why HoloEN was optimistic for 2024 after that December meeting.

*Sigh*
This thread isn't going as well as you thought it would, didn't it Nijisis?

>>72193210
Kiara is spending money on herself, just like every other EN. They're certainly not spending it on hololive.

>>72189596
Not even a quarter of NijiEN even has a 3D.

>>72192580
The company gives them a project salary outside of their normal earnings. Most use that to fund projects, but the more ambitious or wealthy talents put in extra to fund these bigger budget pieces to give back to the fans.

>>72193284
Gura has spent a fortune on MVs that are entirely tied to her Hololive owned IP.

>>72191473
She is not talking about Gura. Gura didn't pay for shit.

>>72193284
I mean at this point why the hell not? There's no point in paying what could be thousands of dollars in usd when nobody will watch it live?

>>72189596
It's retards like you that have made the black company term meaningless on this board.

I dont understand the issue. Its obviously profitable to do the 3D events even if its out of pocket, otherwise people wouldnt keep doing them.

>>72193366
Fuck, man. It really makes me wonder if Selen got into hololive if she really WOULD have been the next Gura. Timelines, man... If only she had proper support AND a bestie in the company to fuel yuribaiters?

>>72192088
If staff sets in to provide all expenses covered live then they will probably have to introduce a money cap, which many of the talents don't want. Under the current system, the girls can put int as much money as they want and recoup that or even profit with releasing merch alongside it.
Marine actually talks about something similar to this when she talks about making her MVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfP7fAPyaQA
She also mentions that people should buy merch instead of superchatting to support projects like this, which explains why most JPs don't focus on SC as much.

>>72189596
So pay for it then, why is this millionaire bitching as if she's poor?

>>72193310
Hololive chicken mogs 3/4 of NijiEN

>>72193562
Selen applied for council with mumei. The one that would've been gura if she was accepted was pomu.

>>72193654
No, I know, I just mean in general if she had hololive backing and networking opportunities. Imagine if instead of making shit like the Niji train, she got even more 3D models and embraced VRChat 3D for the holo girls, and had #HoloBytes instead of #NijiBytes to commission regular animated shorts in a different style to Hologra. She would've been a serious backbone to the branch.

I just realized no one even bothered to post a link to the video of Kronii talking about this, yet everyone is talking like they watched it.

At least Holos have money to pay with.

>>72193562
Selen just doesn't have the same natural charisma as Gura. She would have done well as she works hard, but not to the same extent.

>>72192088
Cope Phasekek. Niji is dead and your company is next.

>>72193834
Imagine if selen coordinated an all girls tourney for different types of games her wwe stuff was kino enna fucking ruined it by being a cunt

>>72193900
It's because most retards here are barely thumbnail readers and don't have the attention span to watch even a clip. Just post "clock woman bad" and move on.

>>72193957
JP did WWE streams, so that's not far fetched.

>>72193949
>Phase
>The company that hasn't had a single big yab
>Steadily growing
>Just debuted two successful (by small corpo standards) gens
Yeah sure.

>>72193219
You know I’m actually impressed you are still trying to push this. Almost reminds me of the tenacity of marine schizo

>>72194024
I watched migo gura and selen streams when the wwe fad was happening. I remember how much everyone shat on gura during her first stream because of her creation. But overall I enjoyed Migo wwe stream better just because. I was the one who suggested Migo to use the shotzi tank entrance for mio.

>>72194082
>Phase
>Pippa draws yab every day.
>Talks about politics unironically during streams
>Playing with a fucking nuke
>Never going to expand out of the contrarians due to said culture
Sure.

>>72194082
I like how phase shills are now just pretending Yuri never existed. Is that why you are sending her death threats? You want her dead

>>72193056
This is what happens when you overdose on catalog rrats.

>>72194275
She's not a big yab. She fucked up, got fired, life moves on.
>>72194271
Pippa inclining is the opposite of a yab.

>>72193056
>most of EN is on life support
Viewership is up 120% compared to last year and CCV is up 50%.
How the fuck is HoloEN dead.
Actual retards in this thread.

>>72194331
If life moves on why are you still obsessively antying her?

>>72193654
Has she ever said that, or are you assuming she applied to both? They didn’t say the two of them applied to both, merely that they got accepted into their respective companies.

>>72194350
NTA but
>thinking he means the CCV
Numberbrain rot man

>>72194382
I'm not? I barely watched her before (not my thing) and I have not kept up on her after she left.
I know her new channel but that's about it.

>>72189596
>he watches clips
>he watches kronii
>he watched kronii clips

>>72194331
Talking about politics is asking for a yab, no matter what company it is
It is why I am certain Phase will eventually have a nuke on their lap one day, called the "wrong political statement"
It only takes one to ruin a talent
Sure, Pippa can brush it off, but if it's controversial enough, it'll blow into mainstream and it'll snowball out of control
And once that happens, ask Niji what happens then
Most people don't enjoy edgy material and dark humor every minute. Nor do they enjoy being reminded of outside politics or issues
I don't tune in to vtubers watch whores giving their opinions about politics

>>72194401
They both thought they were getting into hololive after applying. You could always rewatch the stream in mumei channel unless that's too much for you to do.

>>72194416
>All of Promise did 3D lives for their bday except Fauna
>Myth has hinted at a 3D live for their anniversary
>Gura selling $2 million worth of goods in Taiwan within a month
>Still regular streams out of Advent and Myth (except Ame and Gura)
He's still wrong.

>>72194476
Pippa, Lumi and Tenma have made plenty of "wrong political statements".
Tenma pretty directly told the trannies to kill themselves and all she got was the lightest tap on the wrists.
Phase is invulnerable to the far left.
>Most people don't enjoy edgy material and dark humor every minute. Nor do they enjoy being reminded of outside politics or issues
Good thing Phase has a wide array of members, most of whom don't touch politics ever.

Why does she sound kinda depressed about it? Isn't Kronii popular?

>>72194589
When your representatives are those that make political statements and dark humor, it sets expectations for the viewerbase
Which is why most of Phase outside of a select few are still hovering at NijiEN viewership

>>72194494
Anon, Selen never appeared on Mumei’s channel. Mumei didn’t do a POV for the Overwatch collab and the story about them applying to their companies was from Selen’s birthday stream, which, as you can guess, was as solely on Selen’s channel. You’re literally making shit up.

>>72193834
Ame did that anyway with the smol models and then the priichuu models, not to mention while Holo management officially licensed the smol designs they've been less than happy about unofficial models like Ame bee being used on stream

>>72194598
That’s just how she normally speaks.

>>72194661
>most of Phase outside of a select few are still hovering at NijiEN viewership
Most of Phase is low 4views and steadily growing.
And what does "NijiEN viewership" even mean?
NijiEN has everything from "wouldn't qualify for /lig/" to well into 4view.

>>72189898
I don't think they did... just the 3D debut... If they did, and as for what happened? Well, look at the number of members.

>>72194530
>thinking he means obvious outward signs of success
Holobrain rot man

>>72193562
She would have become public enemy #1 with how much she male collabs.

>>72189596
Holoshit's 3Dslop is boring saturated shit that isn't worth a single penny of what it fucking costs.
Are there any corpos that don't force you to pay for your own 3D shit? Redpill me on that. Otherwise I'm done with corposlop.

>>72189596
They make enough to make it possible at least...right?

>>72189898
Shareholders

>>72189922
Objectively better quality than Holoshit's slop not to mention it's entirely free.

Yeah, anyone with standards prefers Niji's 3D.

>>72190033
It shouldn't cost a fucking penny. That's literal bankruptcy shit. Without Hololive the whores there would have nothing.
>>72190125
And it's objectively detestable and shady. But be a good little goy and eat the mid 3Dslop will you?

>>72190574
>that's not the purpose
She really is a stupid whore isn't she?

If I pay COVER for a 3D live and they allow me freedom to plan it and they'll do their best to follow up with those plans while still enforcing policies like nothing offensive or sexual that's a pretty good deal. I just realized that they act like a service and will do what they can and if you want to make it worth your money promote your shit so it won't be at a loss, the only thing sorta different is that they can only have COVER provide the 3D and it's exclusive only for their vtubers. Should 3D lives be free? Yeah but I bet they'd make money from other ways out of their vtubers

>>72191158
It's the worst part of this failing industry. You're learning at least. Or at least, the age of corposlop will die once more people become aware of subject matter like this.
>>72191210
Or the company should cover the 3D for the intellectual property they own? How is this not black company shit?

>>72192088
Don't bother with Holodrones. I'll keep making this thread every day in your stead until they realize what black company shit this is.

>>72195040
>Reddit spacing
>Bait
>Doesn't know livers have to pay for their 3D DEBUTS in Niji
Checked all boxes.

>>72194978
no, every 3d puts them deeper and deeper into debt, thats why they keep doing them

>>72192221
BASED BASED BASED
>>72192395
Hologolems are this pathetic. They remind me of Amerimutt slaves to their own goyslop;

Paying for your live is a tax write off anyway. It's basically free money.

>>72195247
I still have no fucking idea what reddit spacing is supposed to be

>>72195083
>Shareholders complain Yagoo pays the girl too much
>Their own Q3 report shows each girl, on average, gets about 250k per year
"But I'm totally just worried about the girls!"
Phasekeks really are mind broken.
>>72195244
Nice try sister, now run back to your doxsite.
Bait used to be believable.

>>72194955
Please, be done with it, move right along.

>>72192580
And yet it should be fucking covered by the corporation that owns the IP. A contractor should never be forced to pay for the shit they don't even fucking own. How complacent are you?
>>72192673
Actually, it's something that has recently caught on the mindshare here. The more we keep making these threads, the faster you learn that corposlop for mid 3D isn't the answer, the better.

>>72195247
>>Doesn't know livers have to pay for their 3D DEBUTS in Niji
No they don’t, the only reason Holofags think this is because Kagami Hayato had to pay for a third party asset of a dragon for his 3d debut

lol
lmao

>this guy samefagging like a motherfucker
Absolutely broken.

>>72192674
Pretty much. He's also trying to push Holostars EN into the main branch as one of the EN managers.
>>72192849
NTA but forcing your own contractors to pay for shit they don't own is worse than someone having a melty over something she was told not to do. Yes, the suicide attempt is bad, but there's accountability at play.

>>72194304
Where's the lie?

>>72195357
And I'm sure that's why the Holomems are so eager to leave in drove, sister.
What did Holo do today to have the Phasekeks and the Sisters up in arms? Was it Suisei's MV that went viral in Japan?
>Corposlop
Go back to your shitty two views.
>>72195367
>Self admitted Nijikek
They just reveal themselves so easily

>>72193056
>I wonder how popular hololive would be without anyone to give life to the models
The million dollar question. The girls are stupid whores who have no dignity, so the answer is closer to the negative than you may think.

>>72195450
>They just reveal themselves so easily
That’s not an argument you dumbfuck

>>72195465
Stop replying to yourself faggot.

>>72195422
Hows that Rosemi 3D going by the way. Did Rosemi not ask management for permissions before posting that clearly prerecorded stream that was sitting around for a year, which was also edited by nijisanji themselves

>>72193279
*sigh* Why can't holo afford to have more than one 3D for their talent a year? I could stream in 3D every day

>>72193949
>fastest growing company
>no daily yabs like Holoslop and Nijislop
>developing power players like Muyu and Clara in addition to Pippa and Lumi mogging most of the lower tier Holos like ID, Regloss, and the male collabers in EN
Try not being a retard, anon

>>72193381
>We
>Cover didn't pay
>Duo focused concert to promote Duo amv song
Yeah it was actually the intern that foot a good chuck of the bill and ran into the hundreds of thousands.

>>72193310
And yet all of JP has it, bot questions asked.
It's time to talk about JP privilige.

>>72194271
She did something fireable, but ultimately no one cares because it was a mutual decision to cut ties. Also
>complaining about Pippa
Only trannies do that. Besides, she's on track to being a 5view right now.

>>72195481
at this point being a fan of nijisanji makes all of your opinions invalid unironically

>>72195465
I can't tell if you're defending hololive or shitting on it kek

>>72193482
How is that retarded? Making your employees pay out of pocket for company work is black as coal.

>>72195535
>Phasekek unironically believes it's the fastest growing company
>Still a distant second at best in EN, not to mention nonexistent in JP
>"Daily yab of Holo"
>Pippa and Tenma being yab machines, but safe due to their entire audience being edgelords and contrarians.
Phasekeks are so mind-broken. Let /vt/ see what kind of mental gymnastics these retards have to do to claim that Phase is better.

>>72195587
It’s not an opinion it’s a fact that they don’t pay for their debuts, are you retarded or are you going to provide an actual source?

>>72195247
Kagami's recent 3D Live was entirely free though? Why do Holobronies make shit up all the time?

>>72195619
If we're at the point where even trolls are calling Phase a "second best" then Phase truly is winning.

>>72195617
They've been brainwashed into defending the blue dorito. Or rather, just because everyone else is worse, means that hololive can do no wrong.

>>72195602
This honestly applies to half the discussions here

>>72195263
kek this explains how much of a flop their recent financial report is and why they're valued tens of thousands less than they were a year ago

>>72195617
>Employees pay out of pocket to do shit that they want to do
>Can choose splits for merch, bigger cost = bigger reward and more sales
>Get base salary if they're not a top earner
>They get compensated handsomely through various collabs, merch sales, superchats, etc.
>Average is 250k for each Holomem without the top earners. 400k average with the top earners included
Phasekeks are fucking retarded
Go shill your audience to Twitter
>>72195628
You still haven't denied being a Nijifag
Face against the wall, faggot

>>72193976
Anon, basically none of this thread is even talking about Kronii at all, it's a holoanti samefagging and spamming

>>72192088
The company is paying for all the expenses for 3D events that are official and done by the company. Members pay for 3D events they themselves ask for or prepare. If they just gave a blank check to the members to do whatever they want when they want, they would be in red. Cover already has pretty low profit margins due to how much they invest in the company and the high revenue share with the talents. I doubt they have the millions to spare to cover the costs for each members 3D birthday.

>>72195506
She didn't pay a penny for her 3D Live, unlike Kronii, who may have just bankrupted herself.

>>72195710
>He hasn't read the financial report
>60% revenue growth YOY
>100% net profit growth
There are just retards swarming this chat
Can't even tell if it's the Phasekeks and the usual retarded Sisters, or just genuine retards

>>72195506
Mindbroken coper changing the subject

>>72195563
Kagami's 3D Live was free on his own admission but Holobronies don't know anything.

>>72195289
Who mindbroke this /pol/fag?
>slop slop slop slop slop

>>72195755
But Rosemi did pay for hers. We already know the company provides no assets on their own to the livers
And what did she get out of it? Her 3D debut is now gone

>>72195617
Who is making anyone do anything in this scenario?

>>72195552
She is not talking about Gura. She is talking about everyone paying for their own projects.
You did not even watch the stream that clip is from.

>>72195801
Letting the Phasekeks have any ground here was a mistake.
They brought the /pol/ retards here.

>>72193482
Nigga contractors shouldn't be paying a fucking penny of what they don't own. COVER is obliged to pay for all IP-related things they own. You're American, aren't you?

>>72194494
Selen didn't think she was getting into Hololive. She thought Mumei was going to be in Nijisanji.

>>72189596
All corporations are shit, both in the vtubing world and outside of it.
Only mouthbreathing retards would worship a company the way vtuber fans do.

>>72195726
>You still haven't denied being a NijifagFace against the wall, faggot
The fact that you’re making yourself look this retarded makes me wonder if you’re just a falseflagger

>>72195795
>Rosemi paid for hers
>Petra paid for hers
>Both are in deep red due to lack of support
>"b..but one of their biggest homos got a free live!"
Do nijinigs really.

>>72194598
She was hospitalized for something that she didn't talk about. From what she said, it seems that she got into a fight, fell or was hit by a car, she denied that last one but who knows

>>72195726
impossible, Holo livers are basically slaves

>>72195810
Proof next thread?

>people are actually being baited into responding to an obvious troll on the level of squirmbeat
grim
this is why the catalog is so awful, some of you retards just can't control yourselves in your rage

>>72195887
Another either actual retard or falseflagger, I can’t really tell with this board

>>72195817
Gura did supervising for most of the animation actually.

>>72195745
>>72195786
You both have the same argument but are also contradicting each other... hmmmm...
...It's maybe as if Cover is being a corpo and pocketing the excess for its shareholders and executives instead of investing it into events for its talents.

>>72195837
YWNBAW. Keep being a useless goy for the slop machine known as Holoshit
>>72195864
This anon is correct.

Ok, what happened to idol/phase/niji/v&u or any small fucking retarded corpo again? Or is this just the usual beigevtm/discord/doxsite garbage again?

If there was IPs this thread would be 173 posts and 50 IPs like always

>>72195847
They make money off it.
I don't know how you don't get this.
If they didn't want to, or if they thought it wouldn't be worth it, they would've left by now.
But Holo has a near 95% retention rate, with only 3 graduations in the past two years (two terminations that are separate).
The Holomems are legit making several times the average American GDP per capita from their current relationship with Holo
Are you fucking retarded
>>72195864
When there's a company that is distinctly better than most of its competitors, you tend to defend the company because it's treating its talents like actual people.
What you don't want is the retards to spread nonsense

>>72195726
This just proves Holobronies are massive slaves for the mid tier goyslop they're force fed. If you had standards you wouldn't be so laughed at by other boards.

>>72195936
I wish Cover would invest in events for its talents

>>72195910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gPWbPFFink
See you next thread where you'll also be shit on

>>72195745
>If they just gave a blank check to the members to do whatever they want when they want, they would be in red.
Proofs?
I'll even take an extrapolation of logic. Streaming 3D is free you just have to show up to the studio or home or wherever your 3D capture thingie is.
>>72195816
>company owns 3d
>3d is free to use now that company paid initial costs
>company gives 3d to jps whenever they want
>company denies 3d to ens unless they open their wallets

>>72195963
Idol shitcanned Pochi.

>>72196000
>They make money off it
Proof? Either way, it won't be worth shit to cover the cost with how badly the SC reclined.

>>72196010
An overhyped farce that no money at all goes back to the talents? Keep being a slave, Hologolem

>>72196011
Actual retard

>>72196023
>He didn't see the recent memo from Mumei
EN is getting free compensated 3D lives, at no cost to themselves. Mumei is planning two more herself. Myth anniversary will also be covered
Source: Mumei's memberships tream.

Just saying "proof?" when you get backed into a corner doesnt work when people actually have proof.

>>72196023
>Streaming 3D is free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jos-puWVqj4
Explain why this cost Ironmouse 100k then when it's mostly just VRchat

>>72196130
Because the Hologolems haven't offered any proof their talents get recompensated for spending their entire yearly salary on a flop of a 3D farce and defend it when the talents have gone on record to say they're not satisfied with the results due to underperformance on the numbers end.

>>72196103
proof?

>>72195963
You are so buckbroken into defending a corporation that you see any criticism of said corporation as a deflection. In your mind, people aren't even allowed to criticize the corporation.
I really hope you're an employee of Cover. Otherwise, you're just a janny.
Please touch grass.

>>72196112
stop arguing with shitposters, he doesn't actually care

>>72195668
Which 3d live?

>>72196112
Well then what is this thread about if they're getting free 3D lives? Why is Kronii saying she pays for it?

>>72196211
Proof?

>>72194797
Oh so you're just imagining shit. Should have said so in the first place.

>>72196211
>when the talents have gone on record to say they're not satisfied with the results due to underperformance on the numbers end.
I like how this never happened you pretend as if it did

https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/2eced6e9/cb1c/46c1/af96/0fb860877c84/20240208140638447s.pdf
Page 11 of the presentation, where they state they paid 1.168 billion yen(7.86 million USD) to their talents as renumeration over the past 3 months.
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/b32e2f7a/9ab9/4bfb/89a3/96d18af306fb/20230720173646618s.pdf
Pg. 8
"Why don't we cut back on compensating the talents?"
"Because we pay them for what they're worth" -Yagoo

>>72196222
You retards have been barking up the wrong fanbase tree for 6 years lmfao. It's embarrassing.

>>72192221
3D is expensive you moron. That's why early vtubing was something only corpo's could do. Kizuna Ai was the property of a Corpo, the voice actress was just hired to play it. She later bought it up once the corpo collapsed and went out of business. Why the fuck do you think they went bankrupt, if it was cheap to do? Is not that those 3D camera's run on money (thou, they do run on energy). But 3D assets are not exactly cheap to make. You sing in the live? Well, surprise, those fucking songs, if you don't own them, you need to pay a license to sing them. You want to have dancers? Guests? That also costs money. You need additional staff, like technicians, editors, producers? More money. That's where the money go, not into making the 3D motion recording itself. In fact, ironically, Kizuna's 3D streams were far more expensive than Covers, because Cover likely has more of the necessary staff. Have you ever checked the credits of Kizuna's last live? It had a team of dozens of staff my dude.

>>72196227
I care, I want people to stop defending corporate tyranny and learn that it's OK to criticise the corporation bankrupting its talents

>>72191473
She never uses the word "we".

>>72196143
I have no clue. VRchat should be free assets, right?

>>72196306
i was making fun of the first guy that said numbersbrain rot

>>72196336
If you retards can't do math
That comes out to about $82,000 USD per talent per 3 months.
Multiply that by 4.

>>72196307
Do your reps
>>72196336
Not reading that Holocope
>>72196341
Doesn't matter. You're a laughingstock on this website for a reason. Maybe if you criticised the corporation like any normal human being would /vt/ wouldn't be so pathetic.

Most of the time the money going into 3D Lives has less to do with the 3D component and more so getting people to make unique assets and arrange karaoke tracks for song covers

>>72196360
tl;dr not reading a word of that Holocope

>>72196362
If you actually cared then you wouldn't be dodging the actual counters to your arguments to respond to the braindead tribalists. There's legit reasons to hate corpos, but the "reasons" you give just make you sound like a falseflagger honestly.

>>72196426
Keep seething faggot. I'm sure your 2 view will become a 3 view any day now.
Keep living in denial and deflecting, I'm sure you're really convincing the five people in this thread about your 2 view.
Or Phase, whatever shitter you support

BrownVTmemes gets made fun of again earlier today and suddenly multiple threads of phasefags flinging shit everywhere.
Strange that.

>>72196426
>>72195450
Oh you’re the same guy I got baited. Whatever I just wanted to let the actual retards here know that Niji members don’t pay for their debuts

>>72196468
Bullshit. Don't care. Non-owned shit should be entirely covered by the shady corporation that forces midslop down the golems' throats.

dont let OP distract you from the fact that multiple Nijisanji talents have been bullied into suicide and the company does nothing to fix the problem.

>>72196407
Ya ok I'm sure you're a totally different guy.

>>72196483
at this point it feels like like an indie that didnt make auditions

>>72189716
Just like Hololive!

>>72196426
>Snark, deflection, sarcasm, misdirection, blatant lying
Yep, this is the internet alright.

>>72196481
There is nothing to argue but calling you golems out for blindly defending corporate servitude and malpractice. Which is why every other board laughs at you.

Phasetrannies really are the scum of this board.

>>72196522
Source?

>>72196360
>But 3D assets are not exactly cheap to make.
Gay. And you can probably find free shit
>You sing in the live? Well, surprise, those fucking songs, if you don't own them, you need to pay a license to sing them.
Gay
>You want to have dancers? Guests?
Nah, I don't.

I diagnose vtubing corpos with gayness. Filian can make it work, why can't they?

>>72196529
>multiple Nijisanji talents have been bullied into suicide
source next thread?

>>72196522
>he didn't realize it's mostly one or two shitposters raiding the thread on cooldown
you're too dumb for /vt/
they don't care about your arguments, they just want to shit up the board
stop engaging them

>>72196588
Where’s your source

>>72196426
>>72196474
This retard is seething on cool down, wwww

>>72196522
Obviously. Now why do Hologolems defend their own debuts being out of their paychecks?
>>72196560
And my Islanders!

>>72196544
Honestly, I feel that way as well.
Possibly cut from ID4 auditions? Who knows.
Or maybe they failed EN4 auditions.
Still funny to see.
If this was bait, bait used to be believable.

>>72196604
Based
>>72196614
I'm arguing in good faith, nigger. You're making it impossible for people with an actual voice to criticise corporate malpractise.

>>72190357
What shared one with Marine?

After checking time stamps
It's just two Phasekeks (or one two view shitter) who's been arguing around by themselves with a few retards joining in every once in a while (me included)
What yab did Phase or one of the smaller shitters do this time?

>>72194113
Why did Vesper and Magni get into fights with management after their model redesigns? How did it escalate so much that management fired them only a few weeks before the Tempus anniversary? Snowpiercer was the last membership stream from Vesper while paying back a debt was the last cryptic message from Magni. Those were both subjects they talked about with Kronii during the TTRPG GUN collab. That was a lot of coincidences which now includes Kronii and IRyS switching themes with their birthday lives. Kronii was already having issues with her Korean family before she joined Hololive and getting a coomerbait model only made that situation worse. The other talents in HoloEN and Tempus would have known about the family issues.

>>72196886
>he still thinks I'm defending any corposlop of any kind

>>72196895
I think you and the guy who keeps spamming that Kronii hates Mumei and Fauna recently should kiss, unless you're the same person, then haha you're gay for yourself and probably Finnish.

>>72196973
Unlock it bud

>>72196895
>he doesn't know about contract renewal season
>he doesn't know magni hated corpo life and vesper is now chilling without any animosity towards Holo
>somehow, kronii and irys switching themes is evidence of his schizo delusions
>casual PL reveal
the tranny jannies should shoot this man now

>>72193056
EN is on life support... really? That's really shocking. First time I heard it. Last time I checked they had a 128% growth in viewership from March of last year, but what do I know. I guess Phase Connect is taking over, uh?

Talents grow as much as they want to grow. Is directly proportional to the effort they money they put in. And looking at how everyone but Fauna did a 3D, and how Bae is even getting an album, which she more definetly paid for out of her own pocket, and I think some are quite invested. How do you think Marine got where she got? Privilege? No, she invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in that channel.
And the brand doesn't give back much in return? Really? At this point I am just gonna advice you to stop eating your own feces. For starter, you should know, that while they pay for their 3D, all the revenue from it, including all the birthday merch they sell, go directly to them. Those girls are making 20-30k dollars o month on average, in an average month. Some are making 2-3 times as much, some even more. The brand is making it very worthwhile for them my dude. There is no vtubing corpo out there that is making it more worthwhile to work for them than Cover.

>>72196895
Homos are cringe but this post is based. Make Cover suffer from their corporate malpractise.

how much of it is that they're forced to pay it themselves and how much of it is they're supposed to invoice cover and they're too financially illiterate to do it?
most zoomers are so scared of forms they'd rather lose money than check a box
no wonder y'all are rentoids

>>72193284
>Kiara is spending money on herself, just like every other EN. They're certainly not spending it on hololive.
- says an anon, in a threat about Kronii saying how much she spent on her 3D... *FACEPALM

>>72197061
It's an indie shitter and a Phasekek shitting up this thread. Pretty sure more than half of the replies are from them
Just ignore them anon, they aren't worth your time. Bait USED to be believable.

>>72196371
"we" word doesn't even exist in Japanese

>>72197172
Exactly why Holoshit should have just kept the hags only.

>>72197245
Yes it does.

>>72197471
nah

>>72189596
but even EN runts like Bae and Kiara could hold their 3D lives just fine, couldn't they? in other words, this is not a hill you want to die on
seen one TikTok clip of Bae performing in her 3D live it had almost one million views, she is literally living her idol dream

>The Unholy Alliance of Phasekeks and Nijisisters
Dark times we live in.

>>72196886
One of their talents got doxxed and the info was rather embarrassing to the audience Phase has. There's also been some shitting on BVTM (more so than usual) so I think it's likely his discord downs syndrome kids are raiding.

>>72197650
It literally does.

>>72194589
They are invulnerable because they are small, and that makes they less visible to the community at large. But get to a medium size agency and have all the eyes on them, and you will see how fucking difficult it will be. You are safe from yab's and controversies in just 2 stages - 1. when you are very small and nobody notices, especially YouTube. 2. When you get too big. and get a large community of fans to shield you, like Hololive. But in the middle, you are food for the wolves. Hololive basically had to go PG-13 during that period, to make sure they won't have issues, and that only after they had a bunch of channels get demonetized, lots the entire Chinese market and later Coco, lost hundreds of early streams for every member due to DMC, and a bunch of other small issues.

>>72197731
Just post one of the many clips of Pippa shitting on nijisanji to break that alliance

>thumbnail and title misrepresent what was said
>30k views


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Bu09Srkvg

I hate clippers so fucking much

>>72197821
Got to bait the dramasisters somehow sadly

>>72197682
I wonder how expensive Bae's live was. That looked like it had really high production value

>>72197821
That is what was said tho, but clippers are still shit

>>72197821
New otakmori reincarnation?

>>72194955
I don't think you understand the definition of 'forced'... 3D birthdays or anniversaries are not mandatory for the remembers. Fauna for example, didn't want one. The girls are paying for the costs of the 3D streams they themselves want to do. Cover, covers the costs of the 3D streams Cover does or mandate, is that simple. Nobody is forced to pay anything.

What compels the NDF to be this mentally ill ?

>>72198362
I don't think it's actually NDF this time
They're usually not this blatant about their anti-Holo views. Usually, they pit Holo vs Holo while pretending to like Holo (but can't help hide their love for homos)
It's a Phasecuck and a two view indie shitter

>>72196298
Because she’s using company property for personal products. Like someone using hospital/lab equipment and supplies to do their own personal research projects. They have all the equipment there but they need to provide the funding themselves.
Official 3d concerts like HoloFes or 3D debuts are company mandated so those don’t come out of the talent’s pockets but solo loves, birthday lives and anniversary lives are not mandated and voluntary so the company provides the studio, the models, and the staff for them but anything extra needs to be paid by the talent.

Kronii's NPC stream was so fucking hot. Seeing her subject herself to that kind of embarrassing treatment while desperately begging for money was just so on point. She's actually managed to harness her menhera tendencies into its own brand of slut appeal. Like some stuck up JK bitch offering herself up for sex through enjo kosai.

>>72189596
retards still don't know the talents use 3d lives for tax deduction

>raise a shitload of money from the ipo
>build 2 million dollar studio
>the talents have to pay for it
>all the money went to genshin impact
big kusa

>>72196604
>Filian can make it work, why can't they?
Fillian had a 3D concert? Or you mean the awards thing that she split the bill with sponsors.

>>72198740
That's not how taxes work.

meanwhile vshojo pays for everything their talents want

>>72198989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jos-puWVqj4
Weak falseflag. Everyone knows Vshojo doesn't do any of that. You pay for your own stuff and you get the earnings from that.

>>72198981
seethe, cope, and dilate nijisis

>>72199093
>earnings

>>72199194
Hey, I didn't say anything about how much the earnings were

>>72195510
>I could stream in 3D every day
newfag doesn't even know that she barely did live streams. She did mostly skits.

>>72198729
I like how some JKs are just to poster gurls for enjou kosai.
You just know. The arvhetype is strong in the collective unconscious.

>>72198892
She has concerts all the time, but can mute portions due to copyright. But you can catch it live.
Personally, I don't care about concerts. I'm just butthurt that 3D kino is so restricted in general as soem higher caste thing you need to pay your dues for. It should be default for corpos upon entry. Even small corpos. It's not expensive as they make it out to be, and the perms issue is severely overblown, since there's free 3D assets to use.

>>72199631
Yeah, but that's not a gotcha because skits > live streams

>>72193562
>>72193933
What would happen if we combined Selen's grindset and creativity with Gura's charisma And loli model?

>>72200016
>missing the point
Whatever...

>>72196371
>>72197245
>我々

>>72191473
She said "we" referring to holos in general, it doesn't mean Gura paid for that specific one

>>72200545
Gura did pay though. Marine could never afford a project like that herself.

Fuck OP for making me defend Kronii

>>72200063
So Gura but not lazy?

>>72197050
Kronii has started referring to her family issues in recent months but it was obvious the other talents in HoloEN and Tempus knew about the family issues even back in 2022. That is why they felt sorry for her because they knew the coomerbait model was throwing gasoline onto a fire. A Hololive talent doesn't start making connections with VShojo unless they have a serious issue that is making them consider graduation.

>>72201089
Still going with this I see.

>>72198794
Better than on a yacht

>>72201089
just two more weeks im sure

>>72198431
>muh phase
>muh idol
>muh hololive
>muh dokibird
I know that few can understand what's going on sister but I can see how the gears in your heads work:
>let's pit all those that are against us against themselves
>let's call Dokibird's fans dramafags for trying to hold people and their followers accountable
>let's also blame dokibird for our livers decline in CCV and earnings [dokibird vs Rosemi], niji the company and or the nijimems are innocent
>for Hololive let's miscontrue and extrapolate statements by holomems and call factually significantly higher renumeration per member relative to nijis as "cope"
>lets insinuate that Hololive gives holomems no support by trying to narrate that holomems success was purely out of pocket despite the quarterly earnings report indicating huge renumerations
>for holostars let's bring up Vesper and Magni to claim that working conditions were terrible despite clear indications that the holo culture itself + corpo life in general which was a point of conflict, Magni acquainted and collabed with Daph39
>for Idol let's equivocate Pochi's and Idol's mutual settlememt with niji's terminations, a large improvement over Riro's
>for phase let's use dox info and a meme bbc song bit, or Yuri's donothon termination where she was given the opportunity to say goodbye without her name getting smeared by the company or its members.
>to tie up this deflection and whataboutism all up in a nice bow let's name phase and the bvtm boogieman as the perpetrators
All this comes off after:
>Kiara meeting Enna and people voicing concerns about the ramifications of that since she was named in the black box smear video
>No clear announcement or support given from Nijisanji management regarding the reinstatement of Rosemi's 3D debut reinforcing the validity of the supposed leaked draconian contract
>vstats statistics indicating a significant decline in viewership in both hours watched and average CCV for nijiEN relative to other agencies and branches for this period compared to the prior annual time frame

>>72200972
Gura ain't creative and couldn't coordinate events to save her life.

>>72201089
Those creative writing courses at the local community college are not helping you.

>>72197471
>>72197779
It does not, there is a suffix but it's not used very often and usually implied.

nijisanji talents so poor from the 2% cut they cant afford to do nice things for the fans

>>72200972
>lazy meme
You do the shit she's doing the last two weeks
>but muh streams
Work is still work. Most of EN has been infrequent in their streams. Watch twitch and flesh tubers if you're really counting. But it's been proven time and time again you don't watch anyone.

>>72202808
We have reached critical shitposting levels.

>>72198794
they spent 20 million dollars not 2.

>>72198989
No they don't... Vshoujo management barely makes any money. Pay everything they talents want out of what? Even their members are surprised they are still in business XD

>>72189596
No shit, you think studio time for musicians is free too right?

>>72196216
My ass

>>72194828
You only become 'public enemy number one' if you're being an ass about it or use the collab to shit on certain demographic. Your whole opinion crumbles just with Suisei existing

>>72189596
Newfaq?
Another clliper kek, this leecher should die

>>72189596
ndf on overtime today its still like morning there no?

>>72199138
Tax write offs are for business expenses. You don't have to pay tax on money you spent on your business. That does not mean you gain money by spending a bunch of your money on something tax-free. You still lose money in the end.

>>72195244
>until they realize what black company shit this is.
Good to know that seeing your daily threads here is a sign that Hololive is in healthy condition, please keep at it

>>72197821
Average clipnigs

So what happened at Niji today? Has Rosemi got her 3D back?

>>72205384
you mean her free 3d that the company payed for? yea that was great

>>72196003
Getting laughed at by /pol/tards aren't something to be ashamed of

Nijisisters should put this energy into watching their shitters instead of seething about holo

>>72205447
Do.... sisters not know that Holo first time 3D showcases are also paid for by the company? let us see Rosemi's birthday live, oh wait she can't LMFAO

>>72202003
After that December meeting I believe management reluctantly agreed to a contract deal even if nothing happens with Kronii until 2025. They are opening up the Cover USA subsidiary and wouldn't look good if they have any more graduations especially if they switch over to VShojo. They have a few Advent talents that are willing to coomerbait and there will be more in EN4 so they likely decided that it was more important to improve employee morale.

>>72196112
>>72198598
So is it free or not?

>>72195198
They do cover the cost of 3Ds. It's just 3Ds that the talent themselves initiate that they don't. Like holofes, the talent isn't paying for the 3D. Because that's the company's thing. I don't know that any other approach wouldn't bankrupt the company.

>>72205970
It's free when it is the company's idea.

>>72205799
I think the best way for you to deal with your brainworms is to kill yourself.

>>72195198
Not watching your whores lmao.

>>72205447
>payed
Holy ESL
Also the same vod that got copy right striked? Yeah, that was great.
Also lowest CCV for a 3D debut in Niji history, congrats.

>>72205799
>I believe
>2025
>"wouldn't look good if they have any more graduations"
>One fucking graduation in HoloEN history
Excellent fanfic writing. This is how you know this anon is a delusional schizo

>>72206699
it's called autocorrect you smelly bitch sme strikes holo streams too newfag advent child sit down sweaty the big boys are talking

>>72206906
Holy schizo
That's a whole lot of word salad to admit that Rosemi's 3D bombed
Have fun with larping the thread though, I'm just leaning back and watching you schizo larp

>>72194589
>far left
Did they get into arguments about the means of production or what?
They're arguing with normies being distracted by identity politics so they don't focus on the elites, the liberal kind in this case.

>>72202152
She coordinated Her anime intro

>>72206998
nijiseethe

>>72208511
the only noteworthy thing in that video was showing that they'd dare show a naked loli in holo but I guess that was enough to distract you from the actual quality of the video.

>>72206906