/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72161119
Matara didn't let sayu in her vnepo clique

>>72161119
matara will solo no diff sayu frfr

Strong Russian woman vs tiny Asian chick

my dick

>>72161119
Now that she's going to collab with Quinn, she's dead to me.

>>72161119
The roach

>>72161119
Matara succumbed to the SWC (Small Wigger Chode)

>>72161119
(someone) didn't take well to the "queen of the jews" joke.
>Verification not required.

>>72161119
If you want a serious answer and this isn't just bait, the only thing we can confirm is that during a breakdown during her subathon back in like... I want to say November? She made an offhand comment about how they tore down Nina's self worth and made her feel as if she was worthless, telling her that she always wanted her to know that she's a great person and doesn't need them. It was the first real "expose" on Niji's corporate brainwashing. It was something Nina told to Zaion in confidence, and for whatever reason it caused a rift between the two, and Matara visibly ghosted Sayu.
A few months later, after the Dokibird thing happened, she went on False's stream and did an interview, and at some point she tried to apologize publicly to Matara. She's been very clear that whatever happened, she acknowledges she did something wrong, and she's been civil and she understands if Matara doesn't forgive her. I don't think Sayu's fans really hold anything against Matara for it, either.
The way, way bigger issue is her constantly interacting with and promoting Quinn. THAT is kinda unforgivable, regardless of how Matara feels about Sayu.

While I think Matara would have a physical advantage I feel she would fail to capitalize on it and just cry like a bitch after one solid hit from Sayu

>>72162080
>noooo you can't like the guy i made a heckin rrat about

>>72162148
she is a woman who chops wood in the forests in the snow all alone and can outdrink a scot

>>72162080
Looks like Quinn is the good guy here

>>72162190
>a heckin rrat
you mean the FACT that HE doxxed Sayu?
>>72162266
>doxxer
>good guy
phasefag detected, kys

>>72162190
What rrat? Even if you ignore the unproven shit he has done more than enough publicly to hang himself on

>>72162080
>The way, way bigger issue is her constantly interacting with and promoting Quinn. THAT is kinda unforgivable, regardless of how Matara feels about Sayu.
It INSTANTLY soured me to Matara. He's a real prick and danger to streamers. If ANYONE had any ethical stance about leaving streamers alone from harassment and hate mobs, it just tells me you don't actually give a shit. It time, Quinn will backstab you for clout.

>>72162302
post proof that he doxed her i have been asking for proof for like 5 days now nobody has posted any proof i do not believe your heckin rrat without evidence and redact the dox idiot

literally who? vs literally who?

>>72162429
how do I post proof of the doxxing without breaking the global rule against doxxing? if I obscure the actual doxx you'll just call it fake.

>>72162256
Neither of those things disprove my assumption. I feel she would have the physical advantage and not capitalize on it and fold like a bitch

>>72162080
Sayu said she can never get into the VShojo clique and implied it's because of Matara so I guess she's given up on trying to win over Matara.

>>72162429
Do your fucking reps. He even walked it back, saying he "totally thought it was about someone else."
There's tons of talk about it and screenshots from all around the time. Go digging in the archives.

>>72162302
When did he ever doxx her? All I recall was that he replied to someone about SA or something like that.

>>72162429
they can't post something that doesn't exist.

>>72162531
i actually made a graphic yesterday to show how to redact the dox but still post proof of him interacting with it. that anon didn't respond after i showed him surprisingly.
>>72162593
are you talking about him replying to the "as a victim of SA" tweet

You guys are mad at Matara for not collabing with Sayu right? Why don't you hate Doki the same amount for ignoring Sayu and refusing to collab with her?

>>72162593
>There's tons of talk about it and screenshots from all around the time
how come i haven't seen said screenshots when every little nijiyab gets spammed in the catalog but this one doesn't

>>72162351
Don't forget his spiel about being a free bird and not a shit eating bird or some crap.

>>72162593
That thread was talking about a woman, and his excuse is weak, he doesn't even play Genshin. So what is more obvious? His grudge against Sayu, or some groomer MALE VA from a game he doesn't even play?

>>72162854
Because the doxxes were really fucking hard doxxes with her name, address, passport number, photograph, everything. Any bit of that would lead people right to her again and she was already harassed enough in person last year thanks to the sisters.

>>72162792
they'll just call it fake.
>>72162826
>You guys are mad at Matara for not collabing with Sayu right?
yet. both of them are quite busy, sister.

>>72163122 (me)
dang it, I wanted to quote
>Why don't you hate Doki the same amount for ignoring Sayu and refusing to collab with her?

>>72161119
>tall slav woman vs tiny asian girl
no contest

>>72162632
It’s from some q anon tier LARP

>>72163196
>slav
he doesn't know

>>72163196
She also goes for daily runs and ran a half-marathon so she's in good shape.

>>72163172
Cuz they likely weren't friends to begin with and have no shared interests? You can't just shove two people together because they got fucked over by the same company. Sayu's made it clear that she wants people to stop doing that. It's not helpful to either of them and just muddies things.

>>72163394
yeah, that's what I said here >>72161774

>>72163378
a slav in leafland is still a slav

>>72162266
Kyo is a fucking wigger. He is a piece of shit, but I won't hold it against Matara. On the other hand I don't care for her streaming style much so I don't watch her frequently.

from my own research, the "kyo is a doxxer" thing is a fake narrative born from separate events that threadreaders mixed up.

1. sayu got doxxed on twitter by someone. allegedly. i've never seen it.
2. kyo replied to this random tweet by some 2view vaguely seething about sayu's rape joke without naming any names:
https://twitter.com/Taiga_Chama/status/1623435646810591232
3. kyo then deleted the tweet when he figured out it was about sayu

highly intelligent /vt/ users then somehow combined them into one rrat: that kyo replied to the dox tweet to boost it and then deleted it to hide the evidence or something. there is also another rrat that kyo hates sayu because some anon wrote Kyo in the name field on another website. and then there's another rrat that he posted the dox himself which came to anon in a dream. his actual real confirmed crime is making fun of unicorns.

>>72163500
she's a chosenite, not a slav.

>>72163476
So was Matara great friends with Sayu for the short couple of months Sayu was in Nijisanji? Matara is very extroverted so just having a few conversations with Sayu as co-workers doesn't mean they were best friends.

>>72163549
The part you're missing iirc is that that specific quote was part of a chain of replies under her termination notice, of which the first reply was her hard dox and photograph.

>>72163650
we were talking about Sayu and Doki, not the roach.

>>72163549
You gonna try to memory hole the instances where he made fun of twitlongers and his demented view about how he will publicly cancel you, but "support you behind the scenes"? All soon after Sayu was terminated btw. Context matters.

>>72163698
So you agree it's illogical to be mad at Matara for not collabing with Sayu, just as it would be illogical to be mad at Doki for not collabing with Sayu?

>>72163693
that tweet isn't in any reply chain it's just a random tweet out in the wild that he replied to

i like matara i dont like the wigger or the flop farming drama for views
simple as

>>72163762
>he made fun of twitlongers
stop crying about jokes you pussy
>his demented view about how he will publicly cancel you, but "support you behind the scenes"?
did you see this in a dream

>>72162429
Doesn't exist, retards keep parroting this shit like braindead monkeys

>>72163771
no, we're mad at the roach for actively endorsing Sayu's doxxer.

People actually defend males streamers wtf

>>72163843
>>72163843
A stream is a dream?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9TUQQsDFo&t=6468

>>72163650
yeah. She was friends with her post termination for a while too until that comment in the subathon, which is why people were so confused.
A normal person would've seen that as an honest, emotionally unstable girl spitting out her concern for her friend, rather than any kind of malice or "throwing her under the bus for clout" like the sisters love to claim. Just potential stupidity at possibly airing her issues with her former employer in plain english to an outside viewer (despite it not actually being anything she hadn't said herself in public).

>>72163772
Honestly, I don't remember. It's been a while.
There definitely were tweets directly under the hard doxxes with Quinn's responses at the time, though. Between that and her clear disdain for the man both around the time and to this point, I'm willing to go with my memory for now.

>>72161119
The bitch Matara is a Slav so probably her.

>>72162080
I guess you could say that Nina was floccinaucinihilipilified

>>72163958
that's a joke anon google sarcasm

>>72164012
>There definitely were tweets directly under the hard doxxes with Quinn's responses
i have looked very hard even on archive.org and haven't seen any

>>72164173
So explain him clearly going after Zaion on his PL and directly trashing Enna after her racist joke?

Is fucking with people's careers just sarcasm too?

>>72164173
You can't even do a proper job of shifting your goal posts. You're like a fat goalie who can't even move to block. Your defenses are paper thin copes.

>>72164220
Clearly not hard enough. Look around late february to early or mid march. There should be a lot of redacted screenshots of the various tweets.
God I fucking hate those doxxsite sisters and hope they get removed from the internet.

>>72164012
Sayu is the kind of person who will collab with Zen then call VShojo a clique she can't get into because it has people who hate her in it two days later. Not wanting to collab with someone who will air their grievances the moment they feel slighted seems pretty understandable to me.

>>72164412
he's baiting so you post the hard doxx and get banned, then he'll continue like no one can prove she was doxxed

>>72161119
>former clique member vs clique victim
hmm

>>72164012
>She was friends with her post termination for a while too until that comment in the subathon
I'm pretty sure she cut ties with her right before her termination letter dropped. She unfollowed her as Nina when she was still suspended and liking nijianti shit on her youtube comments.
>There definitely were tweets directly under the hard doxxes with Quinn's responses at the time
The only response he deleted was the one directly to the 2view regarding SA jokes.

>>72162080
I don't about the Sayu stuff but her cozying up to Quinn made me wary of her.
t. goon

>>72162792
You're telling me you think he's some random Japanese dude?
https://twitter.com/hitoshabusan

>>72164551
Yeah, sorry, I got nothing on hand, anon. I wish I had saved more, but the whole situation was pretty charged and I just wanted it out as soon as possible, so I personally didn't keep receipts.

>>72164173
>n-no it doesnt count
keep moving that goalpost. anyone with half a brainchild can tell he was throwing shade at her

>>72164717 (me)
>brainchild
braincell

>>72163951
Imagine being such a pathetic simp that you make up lies for your divorced dramawhore that even Doki avoids

>>72164862
>muh divorce
KHV detected

>>72164862
Don't bring Doki into this.

>>72164862
>divorced
You'll never find a date, so why do you even care?

>>72164988
>>72165031
>>72165148
Look at all these pathetic simps.

>>72165031
Why not? Ex-Nijis who shun Sayu are bad right?

>>72165300
>posts a chuuba that never denied having boyfriends
this ain't it, incel bro.

>>72161119
Matara would slap sayus shit

>>72165300
I'm a goon I don't care about Sayu. I have never watched her. Doki has nothing to do with this faggot shit. Fuck off.

>>72165332
>>72165418

>>72165386
yeah, *her people* (who aren't Slavs by the way) are disproportionately into scat.

>>72161119
Basically Matara told her something in confidence and the retard used in her slapfight with Elira when she got hot which got heat back on Matara. Something she hasn't and never will forgive her for. Which is... Correct.
It's not bad blood so much as just the irrefutable truth that Sayu is a terminally retarded and radioactive time bomb to stay away from.
It's really funny when she's running with Quinn who did worse but when is the "as long as it's not me" standard ever a surprise.

Never forget Quinn never stopped trying to lead a hate mob against other streamers. He's the closest to 39Daph and it was through him she got intimate details about how they got Doki's personal info in separate individual docs to everyone in NijisanjiEN.

>>72165461
Unfortunately if Sayu fans keep trying to vilify Matara for not collabing with her, people will naturally bring up the fact that they should also be mad at Doki for doing the same thing.

>>72162429
They cant prove it because it never happened. This was already disproven long ago.

https://x.com/chanipea/status/1758650666611032313?s=20

>>72165595
It's funny how he's continually awful yet nothing happens.

>>72162792
>>72163122
Are people really going to gloss over how the doxx "proof" is a screenshot of an account that belongs to a rando? Are you really that incapable of rational thought?
https://twitter.com/hitoshabusan

>>72165621
Doki has not interacted with another Ex-Niji since being terminated except for U-san. This means that Doki does not want to do so. Others need to stop using her for their retarded arguments regardless of which side it comes from.

>>72165332
No? It's literally just Quinn. Matara can go raise a stink somewhere else. It's entirely on him.

>>72165812
then prove it's not his sockpuppet.

>>72165895
Take a look at the account, retard. Do you think Quinn is fluent in Japanese?

>>72163559
a what

>>72165961
>Take a look at the account
I'm not giving musk my full doxx so I can look at a sockpuppet account, nice try tho.
>>72166084
tiny hat

>>72166110
Sayufags are full-blown retards, got it.

>>72166222
musk killed nitter, did you miss that? or are you one of those retards who bought the checkmark at the first available opportunity?

>>72165812
That's a diagram, retard.
He just SAID he made it as an example.

>>72164012
Nah you made that up, I was looking at that account during that time and the only tweet he ever responded to about her was that one

i honestly dont know why matara completely cut contact off with sayu when she has put up with worse people before and since.
sayu is a blabber mouth who has decided she wont play along with the usual societal pressure to just keep quiet but that means shes also unlikely to keep any malice intents unspoken.
i by no means think matara should trust sayu with any info obviously, but shes only making her situation worse by clearly cutting sayu off but keeping contact with those whose actions are worse and speak louder than words.
matara has ended up choosing the side that will hide their ill intents, backstabbing and shitty behavior behind the scenes, just because its convenient that people play along with the societal grift.
being a friends with a blabber mouth is a fools choice by cutting contact with one is just asking for trouble.

>>72165787
The awful things happen to other people. He's adept at avoiding any responsibility, but he did eat a stealth suspension soon after his tweet on his RL media was discovered. A light slap on the wrist for the shit he's pulled.

>>72166493
Man, some days I wish Sayu would just make a second document so she has nothing left to yab about. Get it all out at once so she can go back to focusing on herself.

>>72161119
matara is such a disgusting whore it is actually impressive how much of a whore she is

>>72166110
>I'm not giving musk my full doxx so I can look at a sockpuppet account, nice try tho.
You dont need to. Create a throwaway email, sign up with that throwaway email, done.

>>72166493
You aren't obligated to stay friends with the person that gave you a black eye . They have no reason to colalb either when Sayu's such an unstable mess with boundary issues. Working together isn't fucking cohabiting marriage. Girl needs to get some fucking therapy to understand proper distance.

>>72166632
>sign up with that throwaway email, done.
no, I'm immediately asked for my phone number, which, thanks to our retarded laws == instant doxx, and using anonymous SIMs is actually a crime since 2015.

https://vocaroo.com/1ka1hEu9J1u3

>>72166766
>Click use e-mail instead
Get an eye exam

>>72166493
This but Doki, Doki must have known how much it sucks to be seen as an enemy by everyone. She could have done a lot of good by validating Sayu's struggles by collabing with her and putting up a united front against Nijisanji. Instead just like Matara she has chosen to completely ignore her and collab with controversial vtubers like Froot instead.

>>72166766
I guess it's a skill issue? I don't need to give a phone number to sign up

>>72166800
do you lack reading comprehension or something? I do the registration with email, and then I'm not allowed to log in until I give them my phone number.
>>72166822
or musk hates Europe, guess either way.

>>72166766

>>72163549
Why are you chinksisters so insufferably retarded?
The posts are STILL available on nyfco. The organs even thanked you for helping them get Zaion fired.

You stick out like sore thumbs.

>>72166802
Sayu is objectively far more controversial than Froot.

>>72166914
too obvious

Imagine white knighting Kyo kek

>>72166802
If anything were to happen between them, it'd be in private. Realistically, it won't. Sayu's already addressed this.

>>72166888
you had 39 seconds to read what I said >>72166860 before posting your stupid screenshot.

>>72166914
>A retard is more controversial than not only raising money for groomers but then pocketing the money and running

>>72166977
Kyo needs a black knight if anything

>>72166860
Use your country's suicide hotline for the number no balls.

>>72167010
Sayu is entitled to a Doki collab just as she is entitled to a Matara collab. If they refuse to collab with her despite being in the same company at one point, they are objectively bad people.

>>72167089
kek'd those numbers are obviously blacklisted

>>72167093
Did Sayu and Doki have anything together in the like 3 month run she had? She spent half of it suspended as well as the collab ban meme.

>>72167038
She never raised money, retard.
Just goes to show that froot antis are delusional.

>>72167038
Didn't she just say "I'll donate a dollar for every like on this"? She didn't raise any money for it and run.
Still shitty but not exactly charity fraud.
>72167093
(you)

>>72166583
shed be better of going nuclear and airing all internal info, related to her or not.
a second doc wouldnt change anything.
>>72166705
i wasnt trying to say they should stay friends, thats why i said being friends with a blabber mouth is a fools choice but completely burning bridges with a blabber mouth is asking for the blabber mouth to blab about you.
matara couldve done what shes doing with doki or keeping minimal contact with sayu as to prevent a situation like the one were in right now.
>>72166802
>She could have done a lot of good by validating Sayu's struggles
maybe but she was never close to sayu, doing so would maintain dramafags fuel and she clearly wants to move on to do her own thing.

>>72166914
Do frootcucks just run around looking for every opportunity to try and fail at making their cheating whore look better?

>>72167220
Sticking around her just results in recurring meltdowns. You have to cut off the gangrenous limb.

>>72161119
Matara is shitty person. That's all you need to know.

>>72167220
I don't care if it changes anything with Niji. It's still rough watching someone relapse every few months.

>>72166802
>>72167093
>>72167167
Stop using Doki for your dumb arguments. Doki has not interacted with another Ex-Niji since being terminated except for U-san. This means she wants to stay away from anything Nijisanji-related. I support Sayu because I hate Nijisanji and want to show comradery. I think what happened to Sayu was awful. Quit being foolish.

>>72167220
>but completely burning bridges with a blabber mouth is asking for the blabber mouth to blab about you
So Matara's reputation was being held hostage by Sayu and by making the wrong move Sayu decided to make Matara out to be a bad person as revenge?

>>72163196
In Sayu's favor, yes. Ukrainians are generally shitty people because their country has bigger societal problems than even the likes of Japan. This tends to extend to expats as well.

>>72167415
But Doki treats Sayu the exact same way Matara does. Doki should collab with Sayu to prove she's not a bad person like Matara.

>>72167286
I don't watch Froot. But the allegations against her are unproven rrats that twist facts.

>>72167286
don't you have some damage control to do after you failed to cancel parrot, ant?

>>72167493
Spotted the cuc/k/.

>>72167493
>I don't watch Froot. But

>>72162080
Best thing for both is to just go their separate ways & avoid each other as much as possible.

Sayu would never get into Vshojo anyways, even with their penchant for rehoming broken corpo chuba's, Sayu has shown she's just way too eager to engage with & keep boosting drama months after the dust has settled. She's too radioactive & will die an indie.

>>72167465
You're either a false-flagger or a retard. Either way, shut up faggot.

>>72167464
>a tiny japanese girl can physically overpower a woman twice her size because leaf ukrainians have societal problems
roru

>>72167576
Considering the thread he's trolling yeah

>>72167576
Just admit you have no argument anon. Doki and Matara are the same in denying Sayu exposure and validation.

>>72167332
clearly that didnt work and made things worse.
again im not saying to stay friends but maintain decent relation with sayu, even if its a very detached one.
>>72167420
anon sayu doesnt actually have anything over matara, im saying matara shouldve kept up appearances with sayu to prevent this situation, like how she is with doki

>>72167621
Makes sense.
>>72167625
Sub-human

>>72167566
Absolutely. Vshojo doesn't really seem to be a corpo as much as a friend group or even a union. If you have beef with some of the members, it absolutely is a liability no matter how big you are. .

>>72167628
Clearly you don't understand that it would be much, much worse than it already is. There's no reason to keep appearances with the person that gave you a black eye for drama whores who don't watch you anyway.

>>72167625
oh my god you mouth breathing mongoloid, ok so the difference between doki and matara's relation with sayu is that matara was close enough with sayu to confide in her her personal and worthiness issues, while doki and sayu have no proof of being close at all.
Sayu was only zaion for a few months before being terminated so she didn't make many real connections, the one with matara being an exception. Therefore post niji, it would make sense fore matara and sayu to collab IF they were close, but that's between them. Doki and sayu had no such relation, or at least, either of them have ever mentioned one

>>72167420
No, Matara dislikes Sayu for something Sayu did, good intentions or not. Sayu feels bad about it. Sisters keep bringing it up because they like to see ex-niji vs ex-niji violence and it's an easy low blow on her.
That's all it is.
Whatever Sayu has on Quinn though is different and she absolutely DESPISES that man.

>>72167683
>Sub-human
Thanks for conceding anon, either both Doki and Matara are equally guilty or neither of them should be compelled to collab with Sayu.

>>72167779
Give it up, anon. Stop feeding the sisters. They've already given up on Doki at this point after that corpo vs indie stream, so now they're going after the runt.

Sayu keeps on running to drama channels. She did so when she was terminated and she did so last month. Why would you want to be around such a person? She's a loose cannon if you want to stay out of drama.

>>72167711
anon, again keep appearances doesnt mean interacting, it means not doing something that causes sayu to draw attention to you, which is what doki has done successfully so far.

>>72167797
Kill yourself

>>72167913
because she wants to clear her name after what you "people" did to her.

>>72167967
I did nothing to Zaion/Sayu outside of watching her debut and then not watching her again. Maybe constantly running to drama channels isn't the best way to clear your name.

>>72168026
you're losing out on a shit ton of comfy streams.

>>72168026
So basically you know nothing about her yet are keen to speak your opinion on something you aren't knowledgeable on. Curious

>>72168108
When ever she goes on one of those channels there will be a thread on it. It's not hard to keep up with her when it'll get posted many times on /vt/. I don't need to watch her, nor was I ever going to watch a Genshin/gacha streamer.

I'm not understanding of why Matara is sooo pissed off about this? She's acting like Sayu told the world her biggest secret. She did this to HELP them

>>72168212
she's a narcissist (as in NPD) who got her little ego bruised and now she'll go all the way to take revenge, despite all her stories about forgiveness (all just virtue signaling)

>>72166802
Sayu is a radioactive drama magnet who never processed her trauma properly, whereas Doki wants happiness, not revenge. Their goals don't align, and frankly even just wording it like that is generous to Sayu because her inability to just shut the fuck up makes me think she has no goals, only bitterness, just like the dramafags.

>>72168212
I mean it's not hard to understand why Mata doesn't appreciate Sayu leaking something like that. Even if it doesn't seem like much Sayu was doing it to boost her own credibility, but that's something Mata very clearly did not want out under any circumstances. The treatment she got from Luxiem fujos gave her PTSD of some kind that she still deals with regularly and brings up on stream all the time. What Sayu did was essentially give all those people who harassed her a big notice that their harassment worked and made her miserable, while she was doing everything she could to continue projecting a confident image and not allowing it to get to her visibly.

Since debuting in VShojo she's been much more open about what things were like for her behind the scenes, and considering how sensitive she still is to that kinda thing it's no wonder she would consider that to be a massive fucking overstepping of boundaries from Sayu. That Sayu would then go on and basically all but say "Mata is why I'll never be in VShojo" recently is also not helping anything and it's safe to assume that's a bridge that won't be mended soon.

>>72168189
Buddy you've never even peeked at her schedules.
She never does more than one a week at best these days.
She streams for 7-15 hours each day, but the only thing that makes it to /vt/ is the 2-5 minutes she talks about the time she got her entire career eviscerated.

>>72168212
I'm not understanding of why Sayu is sooo pissed off about this? She's acting like Matara actively obstructs every of her actions

>>72163172
If Doki was palling around with Kyo, yeah I'd have a problem with it.

>>72168334
She's not.
But she is absolutely a reason why she can never get into Vshojo no matter how big she gets or how many friends she makes in the company, which is all she said.

>>72162429
I hate newfags so goddamn much

So let me get this straight Matara didn't do anything to sayu, she is just not friends with her anymore. And her association with kyo is bad because kyo doxxed her, which is most likely completely made up.
Am I getting this right?

>>72168251
Spot-on. Sayu massively overstepped her boundaries, but Matara is just a classic asshole victim.

>>72168321
well put, anon. I especially liked her supermarket sim streams and not just because of the sexy showcase
>>72168385
good. I hope NotKyo's "career" flops hard and he'll have to suck dicks for a living.

>>72168321
I don't peek at it because I didn't bother with her a long time ago because I just don't care about Genshin. Why would I want to keep visiting her page when I can find streamers that are more catered to my taste?
>but the only thing that makes it to /vt/ is the 2-5 minutes she talks about the time she got her entire career eviscerated.
Yeah, she has to move on. Has it been a year now? Stop dwelling on Nijisanji, stop going to drama channels, and don't think people are obligated to interact with you.

>>72163549
You're forgetting the bit where this guy named Kyo on the doxxsite gloated that Zaion's termination was coming TWO HOURS BEFORE it was announced.

Had to be someone on the inside with a hate boner for Zaion at least, who apparently chose to post as "Kyo Kaneko" at least twice regarding this.

Sayu liked "Fuck Kyo!" for a reason.

>>72164469
She means well, I would just be careful what I told her, but I wouldn't hate her for shit. She's gone through so much shit because of these bitches

>>72168548
And yet she never mentioned him in any of her menhera breakdowns.

>>72168419
pretty much

>>72168419
Yes, this is mostly Matara just not wanting to associate to Sayu, like she might have seen her apologizing but she doesn’t care about establishing something, is it wrong? No, while things that have made Matara being apart from her are (for this board) questionable, they are both grown ass women, they can be friends or not if they want to. Simple as that.

As for Quinn or Kyo, well, I can’t say much but people like the guy and he’s friends with more people. Sayu coming off strong to be like “oh I don’t like they hang out with this guy” is a bit stupid considering no one really fucking cares anymore. Basically it’s just a bunch of nothing of two persons who can do whatever they want, the fact they are out of Niji doesn’t mean that they need to be buddy buddy.

>>72168534
Yeah, that's the thing. As Zaion she absolutely was a genshin/gacha spammer. Over the past year she's worked hard to reevaluate her content and tone it down to the point where many weeks she doesn't even play one, and the days she does play are just zatsudans. Unfortunately the sisters haven't forgotten her after a year, and neither have all the business partners and indies/corpos that have effectively excommunicated her out of fear of slighting Nijisanji. Her collab and sponsorship options are STILL limited by that termination notice and her relationship with that company, and that likely won't ever change until they dissolve or she gets an even bigger vindication than what happened after Doki.

>>72168534
Nah she will never move on. She is a 4 views chubba simply because she tried to insert herself into the drama. This is her only way of staying relevant.

>>72168212
mata is still close friends with the clique irl and still occasionally meets up when them. so I can see why she was upset.

>>72168613
She alluded to him in the most recent drama spill, though I doubt she'll mention anyone that wronged her by name as it'd open her up to liability.

>>72168409
She would have never gotten into it even if Matara never existed in the first place. Sayu is a walking liability and any group she associates with would need an amazing PR team to clean up after her.

>>72166802
What would they even talk about in a collab? One is an FPS streamer who hates gacha, the other is a gacha streamer, who is shit at fps. And they're not allowed to talk about niji. They don't know each other in any capacity

>>72168613
She didn't mention the silencing agreement or restrictions on collabs with smaller channels either. She's claimed that her document was originally dozens of pages longer and she had to cut a lot of it down. There seem to be a lot of unaired receipts and skeletons to expose.

>>72168613
>Woman who has repeatedly said she wouldn't wish what happened to her upon anyone else chooses to not sick a bunch of people on someone else
Wow. couldn't have seen that one coming.

>>72168665
That is kinda the funny thing. Quinn has already established himself with a shitload of big names in a single week of streaming. He got 3 VShojo collabs in and collabed with the likes of Shoto, Numi, and Yuzu for big indies. Openly positioning yourself as someone who hates him would be a bad idea because most people outside of rrat-poisoned retards in /vt/ have no problems with him

>>72168685
>mad about people being friends
That would be the pettiest shit ever.
Like say what you will about the whole “clique shit”. Sayu is free in the indie scene, she can do whatever she wants, why wast a part of it on someone who doesn’t want to be close to you and just let it go bro.

>>72168571
>I would just be careful what I told her
But as a vtuber like Matara or Doki who have plenty of huge vtuber and streamer friends they can trust to collab with, why would they ever collab with someone who might blab something to Depressed Nousagi or False in a flight of fancy?

>>72167566
I think she will be in Phase within the year. She'd fit perfectly there and would be able to keep Sayu.

>>72168840
Until she gets terminated and have to give up her model kek

>>72168685
She was let down because Sayu had no regard for confidentiality and just chose to not associate with her anymore.

>>72168840
She was asked about Phase too. And lets just say Sayu didn't sound very enthusiastic about them.

>>72168840
I don't think she has any reason to join. Her numbers are solid and on the rise and it's not like staying as she is is stopping her from collabing with them anyway.

>>72168808
I think you vastly overestimate the relationship Sayu has with these people.
>>72168799
Yes and no. There's several people who ghosted her forever after the termination notice. Even several who were friends before joining. (Cy Yu is a common example.)
>>72168797
He was part of one of Bao's videos before he even announced a vtuber model. I heard he even had contacts with people like Asmongold. I don't know how the hell that slimy weasel got so high up, but him being up there and having beef with Sayu is ABSOLUTELY a threat to her growth. Which is a major reason why I hope he falls off the face of the earth.

>>72168808
If you don't tell her anything to blab and just chill she has nothing to say about you, retard. Have you people never known that friend who is good but can't be trusted with secrets? It's not hard to navigate these situations and have a great time.

>wtf madara u can't be friends with le quinn
>anyway please watch my collab with doxxagi and parrot4chan

>>72168940
"Phase Connect? That would be nice. That's something that I am... I'll let you guess what I'm doing there."

Sounds like she's seriously considering it, though I don't know what PC could really do for her at this point.

>>72169032
I could see Shiina doing a lot to ensure Sayu gets in if she were to give it a go.

>>72168708
>>72168779
>>72168789
That is why I used word 'breakdown'. The thing with them is you end up saying things that you didn't mean to, just like that nina convo. If she knew for sure that kyo doxxed she would have surely yabbed about it at some point.

Also her allusion doesn't mean jack since we already know she dislikes him because of that 'fuck kyo' comment. Now whether that dislike is just due to him being a general ass or because of the doxx we do not know

Once again fellas, doxxing is an EXTREMELY big deal. You lot just posting rrats and treating them as gospel and then attacking matara because of that is not very kosher.

>>72169177
The actual sayu fans aren't attacking matara. They're mostly keeping to themselves and trying to hope she doesn't yab herself into an early grave again.
The dramafags who don't actually watch her or doki are just having fun at her expense by fanning the flames, as usual.

>>72169177
She's not yabbed about anyone specific, ever. Her "breakdowns" are pretty damned controlled, and she does a fairly good job of not making herself liable by anyone who could actually go after her.

But she did like "Fuck Kyo!" for a reason.

>>72169021
But again why would they want to collab with her? Doki could just chill with reliable vtubers like Shylily and filian instead. And Matara doesn't have to worry about telling Henya the wrong thing and suddenly seeing her talk about it in False's latest video.

>>72169032
I remember her talking about what phase connect would do for the cut that would justify her joining and she didn't find an answer.

>>72169177
>Now whether that dislike is just due to him being a general ass or because of the doxx we do not know
She's not the type to like a "Fuck X" just because X was an ass. You'd actually have to do something that threatened her or fucked her career for that (like maybe revealing her home address), and she hasn't pointed hate at ANYONE ELSE specific, save maybe one Niji manager.

>>72168212
People with two decades of ptsd don't take kindly to you getting them on their boss's shitlist.

>>72169411
isnt she is pointing hate at "some' Vshojo members now?

>>72169487
No?

>>72169487
She's only said that some VShojo members would be uncomfortable having her join.

It's only Kyo that she's basically told to go fuck himself in front of everyone.

>>72169411
>She's not the type to like a "Fuck X" just because X was an ass.
lol. lmao even

>OP is STILL trying to make a drama out of this
I know the dramafags are bored, but this is getting sad

>>72169553
Find me someone else she's tweeted about that way.

>>72169583
The dramafags are having a fucking field day, with more drama being laid out before them than they could possibly hope to eat, and at this rate, they'll never be "bored" ever again.

>>72169227
>actual sayu fans
can't be from here, the ones on this board are all vindictive drama shitters

>>72169553
She's outright said several times that she's confrontational. If she has an issue with you directly, she's likely to take it to DMs or keep it in private. She only apologized publicly to Matara because that was the only avenue left with her being ghosted on all fronts.
Kyo during her time at the company was absolutely available though. If she had something to say to him or iron out, she would have tried.

>>72168665
>>72168797
It's the sociopath mentality. Subhumans who are sociopaths don't have a problem with Kyo being an asshole. Kyo already poisoned that well in the past so badly.

>>72169026
>anyway please watch my collab with doxxagi and parrot4chan

Okay when the hell did this happen, I can't find any collab with them

>>72169583
They gotta have something to satisfy their urges.
It sure as hell won't be from streams they never actually watch.

>>72169669
I guess OTV, OTK, fleshies, large indies, Vshojos are all sociopath. Only anons /here/ are normal human
>>72169674
23rd Sep

>>72169807
>Give him a chance
>He's an asshole in collabs for no reason repeatedly

>>72169592
She didn't tweet at him that way either.

>>72169669
Anon, this board is the only place that has a problem with Kyo. He is not popular, but no one really dislikes him. I agree on him being a snake, but his biggest crime is siding with a victim of sexual assault.

>>72169674
https://youtu.be/h9J3Rp2UvO4?si=eJEBUWjRg55nILCF&t=20406

>>72169674
They played Ultimate Chicken Horse back in november when she was still a nonperson in the community.

>>72169965(me)
>>72169807
wait shit, was the subathon still going in september? fuck I forgot how absurdly long it was.

>>72169936
So you've watched him and you had no problem with him being an asshole to the other livers for no reason?

>>72161119
Matara. Works out, 2 times bigger and heavier than Sayu,

Sayu's still a better vtuber though.

>>72170018
Anon, I already said he is a snake. I don't like him. I also dislike Enna because she is a huge bitch, but she was pretty popular before the Selen drama and she was only affected because Elira reported her.
>being an asshole to the other livers for no reason
People don't care about that kind of stuff, they only see it as banter and "dark humor".

>>72170128
Hence,
>Sociopaths

>>72170046
Ehhh, as a sayu fan I'm not even sure if that's the case, honestly. Matara's really good at zatsu and knows how to wrap a crowd around her finger. She also seems great at networking. She has a lot of great things going for her as an entertainer.
I still have a hard time watching her since I prefer Sayu, but I absolutely respect her as a content creator.

>>72170183
Or just people that don't care as much about analyzing the organs. As long as they behave on stream and they don't (extremely and irremediably) shit the bed on twitter, they will be fine.
>but kyo's roommate tweet
Again, there's a good reason why literally no one outside here talks about that.

>>72170263
But he's an asshole on stream.

>>72170263
It's sad, but the average viewer doesn't take things beyond face value. If nijisanji says they love their nijisanji family, they're going to believe it. Just look at the doxxsite comments. Nearly all of them are about how much they love how close all of the organs are. They don't doubt for a second that Selen is a backstabbing bitch because they can't even comprehend that their relationships off-camera might not resemble the ones onscreen.
Hell, a few times I've even asked them during their many raids here and the only answers they could give to "Why do you think Selen did what she did?" was "She was clearly jealous and psychotic."

>>72170312
That's only relevant if his target gets offended. If not, it's banter and dark humor.

>>72170371
>the only answers they could give to "Why do you think Selen did what she did?" was "She was clearly jealous and psychotic."
It's always projection

>>72170312
His audience doesnt care, his collab partners also dont. It is only ppl /here/ are offended bt him

>>72170438
...What audience? He barely pulls in anybody even WITH matara and kuro propping him up.
I hope he gives up already.

>>72170504
Give him some times. Even your Sayu is a sub 600 ccv streamer until the Selen fiasco.

>>72170554
I don't want to give him time. I want him to fucking fail.
If he gets big he's going to try to fuck over doki and sayu again to save his skin.

>>72170554
Anon? Sayu was a 600-800 ccv streamer DESPITE being hated by everyone. Kyo is barely scratching 1k even with the Nijidrama and the vshoujo boost.

>>72161119
>What the fuck is deal with this two?
mata got along with the clique but was still mistreated by kurosanji while sayu got bullied by both

>who would win in a 1v1 fistfight?
Matara

>>72169932
She literally liked "Fuck Kyo!" that's exactly how she tweeted him.

She has NEVER gone after anyone else SPECIFICALLY like that before or since. Even when she publicly disavowed an artist who was about to drag her into drama, she didn't do anything like that to him and was professional about it. Kyo is the only person she's ever singled out publicly out of pure spite.

>>72170688
I may be misunderstanding but are you saying that she liked a comment saying duck go, screenshot it and tweeted it @ him. Sorry am ESL

>>72170554
Doki came out swinging with 120k

>>72170594
How can Sayu be fucked over anymore? She has already been ignored by the top chubbas in the indie sphere while they all jumped to Kyo when he graduated.

>>72161119
Sayu would probably mop the floor with matara. All she has to do is spray matara with raid then smack her with her sandal. Easy victory, but if matara flies then is over for sayu she'll throw the towel and scream for help.

How do the momos feel about Matara being buddy buddy with the clique?

From what I get from this thread is that Sayu and Sayufags are having a melty that no one really likes her. Not even Doki is willing to help her.

>>72171276
>no one really likes her
She has plenty of collabs every week tho?

>>72171347
>Checked her collabs this week
>It’s /here/ chuubas that are known to leech off of popular Indies as well as a girl who botted her streams using a Lost Ark wiki site
Lol

>>72171275
I enjoy being bullied by older women

>>72171276
Doki is a numbernigger and a chink at heart, this isn't a nobody likes you thing this is chinks being chinks hating on other Asians thing. Doki hates sayu because she's Japanese. That's all there's to it.

>>72171275
I don't care about the catalog's headcanon surrounding Quinn or Matara, but Quinn genuinely has one of the most annoying voices in the vtuber industry so I always switch streams until he leaves.

>>72161119
Very fitting that Matara chose to be a cockroach, is all I have to say

>>72171427
I mean... so? I don't really understand your point. Even if she only collabed with 2 views, she still has plenty of friends. If this is a number thing, she doesn't really need the help of anyone.

>>72171496
Based. I dont hate him but holy fuck his voice is so annoying

Matara is still tight with the clique, why is anyone surprised she likes the wigger?

>>72171511
She is a cockroach the irony of that model is that she infiltrated vshojo like a cockroach to create her own clique since the clique on Nijisanji did not centered itself around her.

>72171276
(you)
>>72171009
Oh, it can always get worse. She's basically /vt/'s lolcow but she absolutely can lose the audience she's clawed back if they conspire against her or start shutting her out of things. She just got invited to her first twitch rivals the other week. She's finally starting to grow again after the doki thing took some of the shackles off her, but all it takes is some of quinn/matara's whining that he doesn't want to do a big collab or event if she's there for her to get her invitation torn up.

>>72166802
Doki doesnt even want to oppose niji, niji just brought a gun to her house and shot themselves in the leg and now people are convinced shes the hero who stopped them. The entire reason she lawyered up was to protect herself and she doesnt want to pursue charges. Its entirely on niji that they released a series of statements with awkwardly specific denials to all of the crimes they did but she wasnt planning to ever bring up herself.

Sayu has been right about everything.
When she warned us about Kotoka. How she gets close pretending to be your best friend. >No one cares. Only /vt/ cares.
Mel should have listened to Sayu.
We are seeing the repeat with Matara. Just be wary of her. Her shilling Quinn is a huge red flag.

>instant deletion >>72171785
anon?

>>72171671
She doesn't want to press charges for obvious reason. And that's because she has proof of being admitted in a hospital but no proof of the actual bullying that took place other that one vox video that's irrelevant to her being on the hospital on first place. Doki is basically the amber Hurd this time around and nobody but myself noticed this.

>>72171847
they got him. RIP
>>72171891
No, she doesn't want to press charges because there's no point. She wouldn't win any kind of meaningful money and it'd just sap away valuable time she could use to grow her career.
Besides, she could drop dead right now and Nijisanji EN would still collapse in June.

Sayu has been right about everything.
When she warned us about Kotoka. How she'd worm her way in, act like your BFF.
>No one cares. Only /vt/ cares.
Mel should have listened to Sayu.
We are seeing the repeat with Matara. Just be wary of her. Her shilling Quinn is a huge red flag.

>>72171962
Not that guy but I believe this discussion deserves a whole bunch of threads.
Right now it's best we should just imagine roachmommy and cybermommy fighting each other , wrestling on the ground and being all sweaty.

>>72172002
>Sayu has been right about everything.
Lol
Lmao even
>When she warned us about Kotoka. How she gets close pretending to be your best friend.
Proof next thread?
>No one cares. Only /vt/ cares.
What do you mean by that?
>Mel should have listened to Sayu.
Mel is a Japanese Only Peasant
>We are seeing the repeat with Matara. Just be wary of her. Her shilling Quinn is a huge red flag.
Anyone shilling that wigger is a red flag

>>72171962
So almost losing your life to "bullying" isn't a focal point for a lawsuit? Bullshit.

>>72172052
Yeah sayu would get rolled into a ball and punted. She doesn't stand a chance.

>>72172144
Not enough to get more than like 20-50k CAD, which they can't enforce since ANYCOLOR is in japan, if they even come to court and don't just stall her out for 3 years.

>>72172052
roach no dif's sayu
it's not even a competition

>>72171556
>infiltrated vshojo
mouse literally asked gunrun to wine and dine nina in LA and give her a sales pitch to join because she could tell how unhappy she was there, nina was under the impression her meeting with backpack salesman gun was about the logistics of streaming in antartica

>>72171275
We already knew she cucked way back when the isolation turned around.
I close the stream if Quinn shows up though.

>>72172073
>When she warned us about Kotoka. How she gets close pretending to be your best friend.
>Proof next thread?
Same stream she talked about Nina, you retard.

It's funny seeing the NDF falseflaggers and the dramafags trying to pose as Sayufags. You only have to take a look at /ss/ to see how everyone loses their shit when Sayu talks about touchy topics for 5 minutes every couple or weeks or so.

Sure, it's a shame that her friendship with Matara ended the way it did, but that's just life. Yeah, it fucking sucks that Matara is sucking Kyo's dick tho. No, no one is conspiring against her. No, she is not burning any bridges that weren't already broken beyond the point of repair. No, she is not dramabaiting, she is only trying to be honest with her fans so they don't have false expectations about her. Yes, she is doing extremely fine.

But it doesn't really matter, I know that tomorrow we will have another lazy ass thread about the same out of context clips, sayu burning down nonexistent bridges, dramafags who have never watched her posting zaion reaction pics, and sisters calling her a genshin streamer while parroting months old disproved rrats.

>>72171891
The obvious reason that airing private work communications to the world to stoke drama undermines your harrassment and toxic workplace claim? The obvious reason that Doki doesn't have $700,000 and 4-6 years to put her life on hold to engage in a messy slapfight in canadian court at which the only positive outcome results in Anycolor being banned from operating in canadian jurisdiction which would only result in Doki getting dragged for forcing her former coworkers to emigrate or retire without affecting Nijisanji?
If you have $700,000 you're welcome to pony it up to her.

>>72172144
She couldn't even pay her legal costs with what she'd get out of it. That's without Niji retaliating and suing her for breach of contract in japan.

>>72172795
sorry but your entire comment is invalid because you don't know what you're talking about, that's not how the canadian system works in doki's situation. the process for going after anycolor would be filing a grievance with worksafebc for unsafe working conditions (bullying and harassment) and/or leaking private information, the provincial government investigates anycolor and pays for everything legal (not doki), and then at the end doki may get compensation. she has to be emotionally involved with the process which is painful for her but she never has to pay or is at any legal risk, the system is set up that way so workers feel safe to report their employers

>>72161119
>fist fight
women pull hair and scratch, they don't punch

>>72173071
If she wants to win she's going to need to get help and do her own legwork considering there's at least one private discord they'd need the subpoena. She's going to lose income having to go it with the leaf investigator and her own lawyer as well for two years of slack, e-mails, and discord communications.

>>72173288
Mata's a hand tosser and sayu's a hard bitch. It'd be punches.

>>72168548
>You're forgetting the bit where this guy named Kyo on the doxxsite
fucking retards, all of you

>>72161119
Nina's a bitch who was an errand girl for the niggersanji clique. The current state of things is a carry over from that. I'm not a huge fan of Sayu but she's well shut of the roach.

>>72172621
>This
From I observed that basically sayufag are feelings apathic about baits lately and just full on horny posting/parasocial with sayu.Good for them

>>72173374
she already has enough evidence on her own to win a bulling/harassment case, why do you think she'd need to subpoena anything? the selen termination notice literally spells out that they harassed her parents about her job while she was in the hospital which is very much illegal, any discord logs she has of her coworkers or management being shitty is icing on the cake

>>72173856
To build a more compelling case? She wont have dms, channels, and servers she wasn't part of showing coordinated and targeted harassment.She already show herself in the foot with all the shit she did over the years.

>>72174069
did you not read my second sentence? the termination notice admitting to bothering her in hospital and what was said in her writings and psych notes that were shared with legal (that were illegally shared to other talent) are more than enough to win a case for bullying/harassment. maybe it's not like this where you are but the bc government will side with the employee unless the employer can prove that they're lying

>>72166766
That honestly sounds like a you problem then. I hope your free healthcare is worth the loss of even your most basic civil liberties. I can go to the pharmacy (chemist) right now and buy a completely untraceable, anonymous SIM Card for $3, but I'm not gonna cuz my time is wayyyy too valuable.

The real reason why she liked that "Fuck Kyo" tweet, is because she actually Fucked Kyo. Thats why Enna hates her so much and we know she posts /here/.

>>72174272
Wow sounds like she has a really strong case to get back the money she lost on the MV and other projects then. That settlement money is really going to help her!

>>72174516
compensation isn't a lot as it would be for her healthcare and general job loss, not specific grievances. my point was that if you don't have knowledge of the legal process that a person would have to undergo then you shouldn't comment on how worth it it would be for them to go through with it

>>72174508
I knew it.

>>72174740
My point you fucktard is that maybe you should go spend some time with public servants if you want to claim to have knowledge of their service.

>>72161119
Matara would eviscerate her with her razor sharp slavic claws

>>72168321
Not even Genshintards are keeping up with how shitty their game is turning out to be, huh?

>>72169807
>I guess OTV, OTK, fleshies, large indies, Vshojos are all sociopath.
Yes.

>>72166595
How?

>>72167343
Why?

>>72161119
Matara is rushian, she low diffs

>>72176490
I think it's funny that these kind of schizo anti posts get deleted when it's about Kiara.

>>72171605
Didn't Matara end up pulling out from Twitch rivals a couple of weeks before the event, or was that someone else?

>>72174876
Sayu would fucking decapitate her with a round kick to her head. Sayu knows karate and knows the art of the Japanese ninja order she's a black belt in karate and jujitsu the roach is fucked.

>>72177794
>black belt
H-hot...

>>72162552
>can never get into Vshojo
That's a win in my book.

Menhera are easy. Just ignore them.

>>72161119
>72161119
sayu,matara kneel to fuckng Elira clique lmao while sayu giving middle finger

>>72165700
So by your own defense, him agreeing that he wants anyone defending her (a mfer) out of his sight is a perfectly reasonable position to hold with respect to a branch mate?

>>72162266
He's a dramawhore and I'm surprised he isn't choking on dicks 24/7 with how much of a dramafag he is.

>>72162266
>Quinn is the good guy here
holy retard

>>72165787
It's called making friends in the business, also known as "networking". They will get you a job no matter what you do because you're they're friend. Funny how that works, it's almost like they want to help someone they care about

>>72180492
>it's almost like they want to help someone they care about
>they care about
lmao

Sayu is a backstabbing and lying menhera, simple as that. That's the reason she doesn't have close vtuber friends, because she tends to leak private stuff for clout.

>>72181293
>That's the reason she doesn't have close vtuber friends
She has been collabing literally every week with one of her best friends for the last couple of months

>>72161119
the bug thing on the left is the most hideous design ive seen

>>72181293
>because she tends to leak private stuff for clout.
Proof? Aside from the offhand comment about Nina, that's it.

>>72161119
Christ that cockroach model is so fucking disgusting

>>72181696
No one outside the genshin community will collab with Sayu. She's a known drama whore and bridge burner and her recent success is only due to riding the coattails of dokibird rise from the ashes and niji's fall from grace. As soon as the drama dies down she will be back to a 3view.

>>72182404
>moving the goal already
>seething about her success
>2 more weeks
kek

>>72181974
Roach tits are not for the weak