/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

It’s time to admit that if 3Ds can’t do 15k then thank god Kiara wants to meet them, they will need a new job soon.

Nah, it means Kiara is part of the clique too.

>>72078979
I think the issue is more Selen has weak mental and can't cope when her coworkers stopped liking her when she was causing trouble for everyone.

>>72078979
Or maybe... Kiara is a bad person too.

>>72078979
Kiarasanji

>>72078979
Kiara is a disgusting person

>>72078979
>kiara was shadow leader of the clique
I should have seen it

>>72081239
And what makes you so 100% sure that EVERYONE that dislikes Doki or doesn't give a shit about her is a bad person?

Even if Enna isn't in the clique she still is a irredeemable cunt. So it doesn't matter.

>>72078979
All Nijis are looking for an exit plan

>>72078979
Honestly its just Kiara being dumb/ignorant like usual.

>>72078979
But Kiara is also a bad person.

>>72081930
Have you seen the type of passive aggressive shit Kiara posts regularly? She's a bitch (her fans will cope by saying it's her ESL fucking up her sentences but don't believe them)

>>72081930
And what makes YOU so sure Kiara and Enna and everyone who bullied Doki are 100% good people? You see? I can play your game too.

>>72078979
Enna begging kiara to let her in hololive

Just hearing Enna talk for two milliseconds is enough to tell me she’s a cunt, inside and out.

>>72078979
I don't give a shit about the clique or Selen
enna is a cunt

>>72078979
more like kiara is part of the clique and has always been an asshole from the start

>>72083081
more like Kiara is the actual leader of the clique and elira was innocent all along.

I think it's time for you retards to grow up and accept that if everyone is questioning your decisions, it isn't because they're part of some secret illuminati esque clique and maybe you're just a retarded menhera

Kiara is probably clueless about the situation, she met the nijisanji girls last year and got along well with them. I don't think it's something Pomu would bring up in small talk with her either.

I also feel like Kiara is nice to everyone who is nice to her, especially if they're girls. I seriously doubt Kiara would get on stream next week and say Nijisanji did nothing wrong and that Dokibird is a menhera with BPD (something Kiara has been accused of). Not everything is some giant conspiracy.

>>72079098
you know how many people would love to get a 15k stream? 99% of people not in hololive. and probably 50% of people IN hololive. It's pretty damn impressive considering the state of nijisanji these days

>>72081779
>It was an internal job (externaly)
I kneel, chimckin

>>72083259
>>everyone is questioning your decisions
The NDF aren’t people, though, so ai don’t listen to their prying.

>>72083286
There's absolutely no way in hell she doesn't know her "friends" are the prime suspects of almost bullying another vtuber to death. No way.

I love this completely forced drama

>>72083414
I will play devils advocate here. It is entirely possible Kiara is in the dark for now. Would (you) think it's normal that friends you, more than likely, haven't seen in a long ass time and the first thing they tell you is "oh hey, I don't know if you've heard but I'm part of a group that actively bullied one of the nijisanji girls"

No it would not be normal. What would happen and did happen, was they got together and hung out and enjoyed themselves.

>inb4 nijifag
>inb4 sister
>inb4 stfu enna

I'll be real anon. I wish I could be enna so I could live the easy life and get money for saying retarded shit.

>>72078979
I would honestly love for NijiEN to join VShojo or Hololive if they have to.

I doubt Kiara has that kind of pull, but it would be nice. If nothing else the Holostars could really use a shot in the arm for talent.

>>72078979
Or maybe she’s just completely out of the loop.

>>72078979
isn't Enna the one that did the off-collab cuck stream or something? or was that another niji?

>>72078979
>She wouldn't have done so if Enna was really a bad person
kiara is a bad person

>>72083963

>>72083286
She's clueless about one of the BIGGEST SCANDALS IN THE HISTORY OF VTUBING???
Good God, what a huge amount of copium

>>72084616
Yup, with Kyo Kaneko

>>72085355
Kiara is an insulated retard who stays in her bubble, She also praises anybody who glazes her up, Out of every other person in ALL of holo EN, She goes on vacation with the in house KFP she's known for less than 6 months, fucking sleeps with her because of how happy she is to have a whipping girl on hand, That is just who kiara is, And enna is absolutely the kind of sub-human weasel to sniff this out and use it as an in-road to shake some of her fleas off onto Hololive

>>72082912
Burden of proof lies with the claimant, retard

>>72085509
This sounds like extreme cope, videos talking about the drama were inescapable in YouTube recommendations for weeks after Selen's termination. Not to mention the many many friends she talks with behind the scenes.

>>72085623
Which means the burden of proof lies with Nijisanji as they were the ones who insinuated the organs were bullies, Doki only ever said it was management, Nice self own you mongoloid

>>72085669
Kiara doesn't have "friends" she has people she glazes, and people who glaze her, Allies of convenience at best, And stepping stones at worst

>>72083774
It's theoretically possible, sure, but kind of a stretch. Like, I know Hologirls are busy and all, but do you really think she'd have heard NOTHING about such a catastrophic drama after nearly 2 months of Niji shitting out yabs like they have diarrhea?
I think it'd be pretty difficult for anyone who's even remotely in touch with the EN vtubing scene to not at least be aware that "hey, there's some kinda scandal going down at Nijisanji, I should probably look into that before interacting with them publicly".
anyways, stfu reimu. didn't inb4 THAT, did ya!?!?!?1!

>>72085671
This isn't about nijisanji you braindead nigger. It's about you insinuating that Kiara is part of this "clique" you schizos keep pushing

>so desperate to keep the drama going they're resorting to [orange woman bad]
Niji won...

you guys ever think that when vtubing inevitably collapses youll look back on moments lile this and think "man im so glad i spent hours of my day gossiping like a highschool girl about shit that didnt really me"?

>>72078979
The clique probably brainwashed Kiara into believing they are good. These fuckers as masters of manipulation. It's no wonder an innocent girl like Kiara would fall for it.

Wonder what Mumei thinks seeing her co-workers being buddy buddy with people who drove her friend to an hero

>>72086076
I think that if the whole complex crumbles, I’ll look back on it all and smile that I never became a nijifag.

>>72083317
>15k for a 3d stream
>50% of hololive
if any holo does a 3d stream, let alone a 3d debut stream 40k is the baseline. The fact that you're comparing one of the most important events, second only to birthdays/debuts to regular holo streams show how delusional you are.

All I know about the contact between Kiara and the Nijisanji members is that Kiara taught them how to do unarchived karaoke streams.

>>72086863
Well, she wasn't teaching shit this time, that's for sure!

>>72085781
god i'd love to man handle that sassy latina snatch. but sadly i'm not a 13 y/o boy.

>>72086076
>"man im so glad i spent hours of my day gossiping like a highschool girl about shit that didnt really me"?
nah especially when the nijien retards for some reason have 4chan living in their head rent free

>>72078979
Didn't that happen sometime in 2023?

>>72078979
I unfollowed, unsubbed and cancelled my membership. Kiara is dead to me.

>>72083774
It's quite literally impossible for her to not be at least somewhat aware of the charges against Enna
The Selen/Doki drama was all over the Vtuber space for a good month and was also deep in normie internet for a while too. Enna was named in the very infamous black stream and has been a prime suspect in the eyes of the internet for being one of the bullies even before that
Kiara, at the absolute bare minimum, has to know that Enna was named and has aa terrible look right now

>>72083963
I keep saying this, but neither Hololive or Vshojo are stupid enough to bring a former NijiEn liver in (unless it's someone like Scarle or one of the other untainted ones) with how shoddy their rep is right now, clique members especially. It'd almost be PR suicide

>>72083963
I would honestly love to see all except Rosemi and Petra disappear from the internet forever.

>>72078979
wait a sec did they meet up recently or are you talking about the meeting from last year?

>>72088401
Well fuck you too

>>72088579
No, you. 95% of NijiEN deserves to perish.

>>72088401
Petra will cease to exist after nijisanji fold and is dead. She said it herself. Elira will not cease and that's what I care about. She has thicker skin than every other vtubers that ever existed.

>>72088661
Elira will eat shit and so will you. Your bait thread not nuked, by the way.

>>72078979
Wait, what!?

>>72088652
No, fuck off

>>72088768
>being angry this much
I guess you are screaming out of your lung right now. Your pattern of speech is exactly like the schizos I have dealt in the past. You poured too much negative emotion into this hobby. Atleast I can smile in tough time and wait for something good happen. This is not my thread, but I do often came to these after the drama broke out. Spend your time defending your oshi, anon, and less time seething at other people that hasn't spoken ill against you.

>>72078979
Miss Kiara is a harlot perfect company for enna

>>72088661
I wanna get AIDS from Elira.

>>72078979
>https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1771183127546724743
>https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1771184304669733260
>https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1771198636946256112

You have gotta be fucking kidding me. What the hell was Kiara thinking!?

>>72088158
>>72088489
It happened recently... right after HoloFES. Not a good sign if you ask me.

>>72088966
Nope.
>>72089085
Cry me a river, retarded Eliraschizo. Your oshi is shit and so is your entire existence.

I'll just post this now: everyone will be on VShojo by 2025. Pomu, Kiara, Enna, and Millie. Maybe even Elira.

>>72089557
>What the hell was Kiara thinking!?
Antis can eat shit?

>>72089424
Hope you suffer as much as that two-faced bitch does.

>>72089763
What?

>>72089873
Are you daft

It seems to me that Enna is really good at tricking people into being her friends, with help of her two sycophants (Elira and Millie), before they eventually end up getting burned by it. Hope Kiara realizes it sooner rather than later.

>>72089763
So, she needlessly brought speculation upon herself to “own the haters”?

Dont get cocky Nijiniggers, False's April Nuke is still waiting to drop on Anykurwa heads

>>72078979
Kiara has taken the path of no return. She shouldn't have came in contact with these bitches.

>>72081239
Either bad... or extremely retarded.

>>72089975
Honestly, she just reached out to her friends. Reading any more into it would be foolish.

People here really need to stop acting like they know anything about this situation. It's obnoxious.

>>72090181
Meeting up with people is one thing, advertising it on xitter is another.

>>72078979
Kiara is a bad person and a bitch
Enna is a bad person and a bitch

>>72089893
No, I just don't know what you're talking about in that last post of yours

>>72090181
And they needed to broadcast it, because...?

>>72090307
Because fuck you that's why

>>72089718
>can't do nothing but resort to insult tactic
There's nothing to be shame praising queen of the sun. You are nothing but a dramafag trying to target the current controversies. You threw a tantrum when I called you out.

>>72090181
That brings into question why the hell is she friends with THOSE bullying bitches in the first place?

>>72090314
>why won't they forget about my yab

>>72090181
Being ignorant does not absolve her from anything.

>>72090314
Okay, but don’t be surprised by the discussions that happen as a result.

>>72090364
>I can't do nothing but cope and bootlick my trash oshi
There's nothing to be ashamed about being a total loser. You are nothing but just another Niji schizo trying to make your sorry excuse of oshi look good by writing shit straight out of your retarded ass. Cope and seethe, faggot.

>>72078979
It makes absolute sense to me. Both Kiara and Enna are petty bitches that love to own haters and their own fans whenever they get the chance. The difference being that Kiara won't get close to males in order to do so.

>>72078979
Kiara's logic is, as always, 'If evil, why hot?'

>>72090721
How does Kiara having dinner with Enna own her fanbase? They care about Kiara not some nijidrama.

>>72090386
Because they're not what you think they are?

Because /vt/ doesn't know anything about what happened or the people involved?

>>72090783
He's saying they have this in common, as in it makes sense they would be acquaintances.

>>72090674
>moar insult.. buzzwords... buzzwords
Lamest post I have ever seen. NDF and nijishitters can die for all I care about. At least I have an oshi to follow instead of you rootless dramafag.

>>72090883
When has Kiara owned her fanbase?

>>72090913
Beats me, I watch none of these people.

>>72090783
I can easily see some KFP that hate Enna's guts and are not happy knowing she's friends with her and the rest of the nijiclique also don't give me some shit response like "they are not true fans"

So Kiara has basically gotten Hololive involved with a black company by interacting with these two bitches...

Unbelievable! She must be out of her goddamn mind to do something like this.

>>72090913
Her unappealing nasty chicken voice is the result of sticking it to both fans and haters who didn't like it... pettiest shit ever, but Kiara said herself how she stuck with the voice out of spite

>>72090820
Yeah, those two are TOTALLY innocent who dindu nothing wrong. Riiiiight.

>>72089742
>>72088325

>>72090674
>There's nothing to be ashamed about being a total loser.
He's already on /vt/
Being a loser is a given

https://youtu.be/5RJqN-V3u3w?t=696
for anyone who spouts kiara potentially not knowing about the nijisanji incident
here she is right after her break in jan/feb discussing about her attempt to avoid vtuber stuff but being unable to. this is approximately 1 week after selen's graduation announcement. there's no way she didn't hear about the stuff going on lmao

>jannies delete the kino Mori Nijidunk thread
>keeps this Kiara yab bait thread
Naruhodo, so this is the way of Nijiscumbags

>>72090258
Oh no, the whole world doesn't give a shit about the girl with BPD! Every single human being is a bad person and a bitch and should commit seppuku right now.

Oh, shut the fuck up. You didn't like those bitches from the start and that's fine, no need to keep grasping at straws and coming up with reasons out of your fucking ass.

>>72091212
Keep all ten of them you mean

>>72090899
>t. At least I have an oshi to follow
not for long KEK

I generally like Kiara but there are a few moments like this where I question her. Not gonna outright say Enna and co. 100% bullied anybody cause obviously we don't fucking know. But there is no fucking way anybody part of the vtubing community did not at least hear about the rumors of Enna AND Millie being implicated of bullying Doki. Especially being a creator in this community who likely hears gossip and has connections. Anybody saying otherwise that Kiara is in the dark is huffing copium. Mumei is also a known friend of Selen/Doki. I'd feel pretty fucking awkward knowing that your coworker's close friend was potentially driven to suicide by them. I mean even if they were innocent why draw that potential firestorm to yourself? Just keep it private and don't respond to Enna.

>>72090899
>more nonsensical babble... copium... seethe
This has to be the most pathetic post I have ever seen. Elira and Eliraschizos like (you) can eat shit for all I care. At least I'm not a discord-dwelling cuck who worships a manipulative bitchface like Elira and spends hours trying to make her look good by making excuses.

>>72091212
>>nijiboard that trying so hard to find anything to deflect from niji shit
so you just found out about this now anon?

>>72091176
That is rather odd, in retrospect. Probably nothing, but noted.

>>72078979
Remember how she took a long vacation right before the Selen scandal exploded? Something tells me she spent that time with the clique.

>>72091072
And where's the proof they did something? Or are you still digesting to shit it later?

>>72091054
Kiara stopped doing the high pitched chicken voice ages ago though.

>>72091295
>>72091176
forgot to timestamp for my vid link but check 11:35 onwards. like you said, they are absolutely huffing copium.

>>72091212
Wait, Mori dunked on Niji? What kind of based thing did she do?

>>72083317
its a 3d debut stream retard

What are the odds Kiara has broken NDA with nijis and just hasn't been caught yet? Pretty high I think. Remember, she almost graduated last fall.

>>72091265
How about YOU shut the fuck up, NDF trash?

>>72082323
I still remember her going on a rant saying that she deserves more popularity and recognition when she's already one of the most subbed vtubers in the industry. Completely ungrateful.

>>72091343
Guilty until proven innocent. Cope harder.

>>72091310
>e-eat shit
>loser loser loser
Really? You don't have anything better and just repeat your old 2 posts ago because you ran out of thing to say?

>>72091454
It's so funny that Kirara is a numberfag while having a low ccv among holomems
I don't even think she's a TRUE numberfag, she's yapping about how she should be more popular but puts her effort into petty shits rather than the algorithms
She's just a resentful bitch pretending to be a numberfag

>>72090899
It's going to be hilarious when your oshi abandons you like the cuck you are
Saving for grudgepost

Kiara was the agent that destroyed nijisanji

>>72091452
I'm not even NDF and I don't give two fucks about them, I'm just calling you out of your bullshit.
"Hurr she's a bitch because she's from the clique"
Are you fucking autistic? There's no concrete proof that such a thing even exists, it's pure copium to pin the blame in some evil group that doesn't even exist and, lo and behold, is ever-growing. Who did what? You don't have fucking a clue.
Just to be clear, Elira said on the black stream "the place where I, Millie and Enna live" because they shared their rent. It could be one, two or all of them, so how the fuck someone as insignificant as you could know? Stop parroting shit like a cumguzzler.

>>72091608
>I don't have any oshi so I must turn my hatred towards someone else's
You don't even understand what having an oshi mean. As long as she's well I'm happy. Except for you, you always have something to be angry about. I had precious memories by the years I spent on the girls and I have no regret. Pomu didn't abandon her 10 years of friendship. Elira will keep it, too.

>>72091343
In case you didn't know, guilty by association is a thing. Kiara made a poor decision by choosing to get involved with those suspicious snakes.

For someone that hates monkeys she sure likes to hang out with them

>>72091653
>They thought it was Agent Kaneshiro
>The insider was Agent Takanashi all along.
Holy KINO, put her in the Asuka plugsuit and there will be rrats galore!

>>72091891
kek

>>72091902
She did do this cosplay desu

>>72091517
Consider the following:
>>72085623

>>72083317
>50% of holo
This retard quite obviously doesn't know anything about holo. Even the homos get more than 15k on their 3d debut

>>72091524
>*eliraschizo crying noises*
>elira bitchface.jpg
You are just embarrassing at this point. Being cucked over and over by your precious oshi has really reduced you to a pathetic mind slave.
>>72091757
It wasn't even me who made that post lol but whatever. I hope you stay a delusional loser forever and dedicate your entire life to licking the dirt of your bitchface oshi's shoes.

>>72091690
This reads exactly like a NDF cope. You're not fooling anyone, fag.

>see they didnt harass this person outside the company that has more reach than all of them combined!!!! NIJISANJI IS GOOD!!!
Really sisters? Guess we are memoryholling this stream where they shat on Pomu and Selen now?

>>72092154
Consider the following - >>72091517

>>72078979
Kiara? Being dumb/malicious? Stop the fucking presses

>>72092307
My favorite part was that “FLOPSOLEIL” didn’t exist at all before they threw it out there in that stream.

>>72092227
>same speech pattern
>it-it's not me. I swear
Sure anon, no way I would have figured it out if you jussssttt slightly changed your IP but forgot to hide your resentment.

Any vtuber who hasn't collabed with Doki or Sayu is potentially part of the clique. Collabing with Doki or Sayu is the only way to prove your innocence and show that you are a good person. Hopefully Kiara will be able to clear her name by collabing with Doki soon.

>>72092693
Nah, more reasons to hate kiara is a good thing

>>72092693
>Doki refuses to collab with Sayu
Uh-oh... b-bros?!

>>72092498
>Elira bitchface.jpg (again)
>Everyone who hates me and my garbage oshi is the same guy
Keep telling yourself that, you fucking cuck.
Sure, retard

>>72092498
This might be come as a surprise to you, but your oshi's reputation is in the gutter and you can't do anything about it.

>>72092807
>outed himself out of resentment (again)
>it-it was someone else (again), even though we just used the same insult (again)
Oh, sure, anon. It must be a coincidence, isn't it?

Why is there some retard here defending Elira who has gone 45 days with no streams

>>72093008
What else are they going to do? Their oshi doesn't stream.

>>72092911
Hope is a powerful thing.
>>72093008
She can take as much break as she needs for the wellness of her mental health

>>72093064
I hope she does and people remind her that she is responsible for nearly killing her co-worker wherever she goes

>>72092693
>or Sayu
So what you're saying is that Doki is part of the clique

>>72078979
Good thread op I believe you are ccorrect and there isn't any evidence against Enna other than crazy rrats.

did kiara ever get cooked in her replies like this before?

>>72078979
Or Kiara herself is bad person.

>>72079098
Enna will get 100k

>>72093771
Do it

>>72083414
Kiara was literally gone for a whole month, the month this shit went down. It is entirely possible to be a streamer who streams, does music, voice recordings, dance rehearsals and doesn't have time for only speculation. You have brainrot from living in /vt/.

If you think about it, what is Holotori but a clique with Kiara as its ringleader?

>>72094153
kiara wishes she had this much power, not even her genmates care about her

>>72083365
>Casually admitting to being a drone
It's alright. If everyone is in a clique but you, then there is no clique. Pretty simple

>>72085671
>Average SEAtard: "hurrdurr if they say thing first, burden of proof shift on them"
The only claiming to be bullied is Doki. So Doki has to prove it. Whoever revealed that she's claiming this doesn't matter. It's common sense

>>72094591
niji were really nice in this one instance by admitting to the bullying themselves

>>72094591
Doki didn't release any public statements. Niji sanji just said they investigated themselves and found no wrong doing (despite the unsigned document leaked says they won't do anything about these types of disputes)

This is all irrelevant though. Kiara doesn't know any NDF are just using her as a cudgel to attack Doki and other holo members. I fucking hate you fucking losers.

>>72093974
this is cope >>72091176

pretty funny how niji drama ended up putting a spotlight on the rot within hololive

>>72094815
>Kiara ate dinner with some people
>this is rot within hololive
okay

>>72094815
Well yeah Ollie is a zombie of course she rots

>>72094637
They literally said the opposite but whatever helps you sleep at night
>>72094702
>Doki didn't release any public statements
>"They silenced me and bullied me into attempting suicide! TWICE!!!
The contract says that any act that violates laws, public order or morality is prohibited and they never said they wouldn't investigate. If Kiara obviously knows about the retarded rrats because everyone does and she still chooses to associate with the Nijisanji illuminati, what does that tell you?

>>72094936
this tells me you're a braindead nijinigger and kiara is just as bad as them

>>72094936
>>what does that tell you?
That Kiara (and Nerissa) are retards? How is it even Mori of all people doesn’t pull shit like this?

>>72091757
>Pomu didn't abandon her 10 years of friendship.
First: Pomu hasn't been friends with Elira for 10 years, only 3 and half when she bailed out of NijiEN. Second: Pomu has cut all contact with nijis and hasn't met with any of them during her current stay in Japan so looks like it was pretty easy for her to throw away her friendship with Elira and other nijis.

If Kiara was such an evil bitch like some are saying here and knew about any drama, she would do what makes her look clean to the internet and not interact with Enna at all, instead of innocently posting about it on Twitter unnaware of the possiblity of any backslash

>>72094997
Mori went and decked Niji twice in two vids.
The Reaper doesnt need validation from some nepo mean girl bitches who love gulping corpo cock. Thank god for Deadbeats.

>>72094936
>They silenced me
This is about all she said, as well as blaming a dogshit work environment. Stop making shit up.

>>72094997
>Mori doesn't pull shit like this
>Interacts with Pippa who made fun of Kiara getting sexually assaulted
Kek
>>72095095
She said the word "bullying" verbatim and pined two suicide attempts on them. She also blamed them for making her dad cry, are you trying to rewrite history?

>>72095050
NijiEN are evil bitches but didn't try to look clean on the internet either

>>72095351
they in fact, did try

a lot

>>72095262
Phasefags and their members are effectively gnats — annoying, yes, but largely just that. Nijis are fucking radioactive at the moment. Regardless, I’m saying that it’s odd Mori, who has a history of diving into retarded shit, hasn’t done so yet.

>>72095262
>She said the word "bullying" verbatim
She blames them for running a shit company. This claim is corroborated by the fact that they have shown themselves to be a shit company. Few would be blaming the talent had they not directly implicated them in the termination notice, and then further in the black box video.

>>72095351
Is that why Millie was crying on stream over being known as a black company? How about the 3 others that also had a meltdown on stream over that same thing?

>>72091575
>yapping about how she should be more popular
>just a resentful bitch pretending to be
Anon, that's her schtick. That's her whole character and why people watch her.

>>72095407
>>72095524
all they did was dump fuel onto the fire

>>72095512
>Few would be blaming the talent had they not directly
Nice cope. Surely her three sentence accusation wouldn't have had more details if Nijisanji didn't say them first and even assuming that it would have remained the same, you think people would see "bullying with in the company" and think it's a manager when apparently everyone knows there's a "clique" inside Niji.

>>72095607
trying doesn't mean being succesful

>>72095607
That’s what they do best, albeit largely by accidental retardation.

>>72095631
You don't try to come clean by streaming that shit at the same time as dokibird, I can't even say "nice try" here

>>72095604
her schtick is pretending to be an insecure nosy bitch that wont shut up and complains all day? you sure thats not her real personality leaking?

>>72095682
I agree, but now we are just arguing semantics for no reason

>>72095682
I really wonder why they did that. I know the conventional answer, but what insanity possessed them to believe it to make them look good, even remotely?

>>72095612
You realize the clique rrat was just a rrat and largely contained within /here/ before the big yab, right? People did in fact assume it was rogue management, you can see so for yourself in how the response shifted entirely after the black screen dropped.

>>72095731
Perhaps the simple answer is that they ex-hanamori are just dumbass social climbing deplorables who thought they could get away with another successful Zaion cancellation?

>>72095768
That's just wrong. Post termination, people were already digging up clips that "totally heckin proved that Enna and her clique were bullies". The public response shifted because /vt/rannies started spreading their schizophrenic babbling like an STD and people are easy to trick when they're emotional

>>72095720
It's not semantics, they just wanted to harass her because and they never tried to come clean, because their alignment is Stupid Evil like everyone else at that company
Kiara non acknowleding the radioactive brand for what it is when a hospitalization for suicide attempts is involved is disturbing and sad
She herself is not ignorant, she is not innocent, she should have picked any other bird, if not Dokibird herself then their friend Mumei

>>72095894
Believe it or not, /vt/ is not particularly representative of the wider vtubing audience. Quite the opposite actually, the normies started flooding the board unprompted after that dumpster fire started.

>>72095960
also the wording in her tweet...
>sweet
Is she for fucking real when anyone who knows anything about Enna can see how much of a horrible person she is.

>>72095960
semantics because you're trying to argue with me the meaning of "try"

>>72096033
Dramafags don't represent the Vtubing audience but they're the loudest and most retarded so other retards will follow suit. It's especially more obvious when the majority of people supporting Doki and shitting on Niji through spreading rrats either never watched chuubas or are Hololive shills. Everyone would have started acting like VT can see into the future because of confirmation bias anyway

>>72096238
Who's your oshi bro?

>>72096383
I'm not that dumb

>>72083317
Clearly you are retard anon or have you not watched any holo3D debut?

>>72078979
>Kiara met with Enna. She wouldn't have done so if Enna was really a bad person.
The same girl who almost had a collab with Veibae who at the time was commonly known for her anti-Hololive comments.

>>72096488
>pic
Me when I see Arisu

>>72081239
literally this

>>72089742
>Pomu
Maybe
>Kiara
Unlikely imo unless Pomu is also there and is happy.
>Enna
Doesn't seem likely at all to me. She's only on friendly terms with Mata as far as I know.
>Millie. Maybe even Elira
They have a better chance than Enna but it's still low. Elira seems like the better pick up. Personally I think she's not as bad as some people make her out to be and most of her sins are related to incompetent Niji management which wouldn't be a problem in vshojo or holo.

>>72081239
/thread

Gura rescue operation?!

>>72095604
>s-she's just pretending to be a piece of shit turbostacy!!!
never thought i'd say KFP using the plusmate cope but here we are

>>72095024
>he doesn't know
They were friends before vtuber was even a thing, anon. Date back to many years ago when bakugan was trending. Not many people know about this. A lot of people know about her past as Nova, though.

>>72097281
Why are you making shit up?

>>72097322
Lying is part and parcel of being a niji fan, or shill in this case

hololive trusts kiara to watch over gura abroad, they wouldn't if they she could even remotely hurt gura's reputation through her associations with other companies

>>72097445
what delusion is this

>>72093008
Hi, I wasn't here for this thread but you can count two of us.

>>72097352
like oshi like fan

Okay, explain to me, using logic, how interacting with a bad person makes you bad. My example: i frequently talk and interact with a guy who was in jail once and currently is in an abusive relationship. He is funny, has a lot of stories and treasures our friendship. He didn't do anything bad to me, why am i a bad guy all of a sudden?
1) I didn't do any of his crimes
2) Im not abusing his girlfriend
3) Im as bad as he is
????????

>>72098364
kfpiss, everybody

>>72098364
>so what if my friend murdered someone I'm still alive :^)
You are a fucking retard

>>72098364
KFPsychos...

>>72098430
>HURR DURR ME CAVEMAN, SHUN THIS MAN OUT OF TRIBE OR YOU BAD
Kill yourself, actual neanderthal

Kiara is truly serving cunt

>>72098364
She can hang out with them, but she can’t likewise complain when people talk about it. Especially given she got on the horn and alerted the world to it, rather than keep it secret.

>>72091212
One of the Jannies is a spic deadbeat, we've known this for years.

>>72098563
try saying demondlce correctly for a fun surprise

Kiara doesn't really have a moral compass, nor do most people, especially people who have never really been held responsible for the outcomes of their own actions by society writ large. She will hang out with anyone who she thinks won't harm her image, will give her clout, and who she might have a chance of mashing pissers with

>>72078979
Kiara doing her thing and gossip who's the real evil. SASUGA PHOENIX!

>>72098364
>I frequent a guy who I know abuses his girlfriend
>That doesn’t make me bad
You…do realize it does right? It literally makes you an accomplice by keeping his crimes unknown to the police.

>>72098653
Kek nigga even banned a dude for saying "I'm a DD fan" (as in daredemodaisuki) once

>>72098894
Im not the one doing it, and she should be the one caring for herself. In my book, im innocent.

>>72098930
>In my book, im innocent.
That's not how the law works nigger.

>>72081239
Lol dookieniggers in shambles watch them harass hololive now.

>>72098971
Law was made by humans, not god. I have every moral right to define what is correct.

>>72083317
Holy cope man. No 3D debut has ever been under 15k even in NIJI. Even Finana debuted around 50k.
People were hight skeptical of Petra but 24k during Holofes was acceptable.
14k in the void, with massive 3D cameos from everyone possible? It’s bad. Objectively bad. Probably doesn’t even pay back the cost of the debut.
Rose is getting the full force of Niji not doing shit in the west and you think defending it is good. You are not helping her, nor the company.

>>72099009
Morally you're a scumbag though.

>>72088262
Only an astute minority of people are putting two and two together with Elira outing the bullies by name in the doc. To everyone else, all the livers are victims and all the "bullying from within" as Doki so tactfully put it came all from Management's side. Now this is all clearly a desperate cope, but being the idolfag and fellow victim of harassment Kiara is, this seems to me the narrative she would most likely buy.

>>72099055
Like i said, he is the one doing it, not me.

>>72098364
Are you by any chance East Asian, Southeast Asian, Eastern European or from the Balkans?

>>72099075
And you're okay with him doing it which makes you a scumbag.

>>72099063 (Me)
Clarification: I should have put "victim of exploitation by management" where I put "victim of harassment"

>>72099128
Are you a kike worshipper who was brainwashed into caring about every single thing that others are doing so your limited amount of attention(scientific fact) will be used on meaningless things?
>>72099148
>emotional response, no sound logic in sight
>completely ignores the context of my replies
Are you a woman

>>72081239
>>72096890
Nah Kiara would have harmed Number One (Gura) at some point when they were alone--directly or indirectly--either cause she's a huge numberfag and had resented Gura in the past or were closer with the clique. Likely the situation isn't black and white like people want. This is a nothing bunger.

My rrat is that Mumei hung around Gura so long to protect her just in case cause of the shit Selen confided about the bullying. And the mental vulnerable Gura is at.

>>72098930
>>72098364
? Yeah you KFP subhumans deserve all the shit you're getting and your oshi is a selfish entitled narcissist. I've seen shitters go too far with their trolling l, but 70% of the time both you and your streamer get what they deserve.
The only reason she's barely tolerated is because KFP astroturfed the idea of her being a "le hekkin rratslayer xDDD" aka she's tolerated because she panders to this board and sucks schizo dick to avoid getting bullied.
https://streamable.com/yhcl7w

>>72098364
>I knowingly keep company with ex-cons who are probably beating their girlfriend as I type this
>am I a bad person?

>>72083317
>impressive
sister beyond retard KEK

>>72099198
Your context is "nah senpai imma do mah own thang" and expect the world to revolve around your mindset, are you sure you aren't a nigger?

>>72099055
>>72099148
So this was the reason you guys were always on high horse thinking you were justified for shitting on other people. Blinded by your faith. Let the solar dragon judge you by the end of the drama shtick. You scum dramafags. If any day Dokibird got into bad things, you would turn your head and treat her the same. You are willing to kill a person that used to be your lover because of accusations.

>>72099246
>>72099253
>>72099330
>WAAHHHH WAHHH WAHHH
Stop fucking whining and give me a normal reasoning for this behavior. I swear, some of you have asd or something.

>>72098364
>sure he beats women but he doesn't beat me! :)
>I'm not a bad person btw

>>72099198
What Godless moral relativism does to a mf.

>>72099407
>i ask anon something and provide an example
>"Please, be logical"
>UR BAD
Huh?

>>72098653
We have to call her voldemort in vsj.

It's common knowledge kfpiss are the scourge of hololive but them sinking this low wasn't on my bingo for this year

>>72099246
Dokifags were the enemy all along

>>72099402
How about finding another friend who is "funny, has a lot of stories and treasures our friendship". There are plenty who don't beat their spouses, in case you didn't know.

>>72099433
Your reasoning wasn't logical either why should that anon be logical with his?

>>72099427
Okay, im getting tired of this. I think you all are just trolling by refusing to actually answer my questions so here is the last piece of actual advice i'll give to you:
If something didn't happen to you, you can't feel something about it because feelings are subjective. In order to fully respond to something, you have to 100% feel it yourself. This way you'll control your "i know everything" ego shit and start actually understanding the world around you. Be free, control your morals, do not become a slave to society. Look at this small example: i simply asked people to think a little bit about something, and yet they refused. Why? Because they realised that they've been brainwashed by society to AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME something. That is a slave behavior.

>>72099402
You are either larping or just as scummy as your friend. Assuming you're speaking the truth, you are supposed to help people in that situation since victims develop Stockholm syndrome, are threatened if they attempt to seek help etc etc. You know that, you know what your friend is doing is wrong yet you laugh along with him. If he's an abuser, then that places him against the law (law is decided by majority and their morality) and you are an accomplice since you're witnessing a crime in action and you're happily letting it continue on.

Tldr you're a cunt, basically, and I wrote this all as I took a shit. You will just deflect what I said or spew some buzzwords, but you are a subhuman. Kiara is a pos, simple as

>>72099548
Why.
>>72099553
My reasoning is clear. He is not bad to me, he is bad to others. He is not committing bad acts against me by proxy.

>>72099608
>emotional response
Nice try. Im not going down to woman's level of argumentation. Feel free to feel "victorious".

>>72099586
You could have just started with "I'm a sociopath" and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all anon. Your reasoning is fine since you're fucked in the head I guess.

Why can't selen tampon slurpers not respect others opinions? Not everyone wants to be part of their fucking war against kurosanji especially those employed to an allied corpo. I don't like Kiara but she's free to hang with whoever she wants. The world does not center itself around doki.

>>72099586
>you are just a slave to society for not catering to my need to feel validated for associating with terrible people
Holy mental gymnastics. Yes, you are a terrible person if you have to go to these self-absorbed pretentious lengths to defend your lack of basic moral principles. Now kindly go back to ducking your wife beater boyfriend's dick.

>KFP keeps deflecting and dismissing everything like a child
Like oshi like audience kek

>>72099649
>My reasoning is clear. He is not bad to me, he is bad to others.
look up antisocial personality disorder

>>72099586
>>72099427
Moral? What moral? I don't care about your moral. This world needs more villains. It hasn't burned fast enough. I want all of you and me burning by the fire of hatred. I don't care about this drama. I'll push everything that can cause the vtubing scene to collapse because I hate you all. If I have a gun, the first thing I'd try this on would be your God. Btw, I love PIPPA. Drop this roasted chicken and come to Pippa, anon. She's 101% funnier than orange woman. Let's all see the end of humanity together

>>72099063
>Only an astute minority of people are putting two and two together with Elira outing the bullies by name in the doc
>jumping to conclusions
>astute
There are a thousand different ways it can be interpreted and Elira said it alluded to her area, not that she's specifically named by names. Some of you fuckers need to finally take a bath and clean them ears.

>>72099649
>expects good judgement
>has no good judgement
Whew lad

>>72099684
>ad hominem
>>72099699
>strawman
>>72099734
>appeal to authority
YAWN, as expected from golems, no original thought. Come on now, don't you have anything new in your instructions?

>underage chuuni pippafag
Pff kek, numbermonkey probably

>>72099433
So if you had a close female relative who's getting beaten by her boyfriend/husband and you have another friend who knows about it but doesn't tell you about it, that friend isn't a bad person?

kfpiss worship this btw
https://youtu.be/WIle1RcXPwI?si=ffg8ciQJjZZt7SEP

>>72099793

>>72099697
>employed to an allied corpo
>allied corpo
If you believe that then you are just as schizo as anyone here. Just because their interests may converge at times does not mean they are allies. Business is business. They are competitors.

>>72099821
Yes retard

>>72099821
Going by your logic, the moment i see a note: "This guy is wanted for stealing bikes" i should drop everything im doing and assist police in every way possible or else im "bad"

>>72099841
>weaponized image
Wow, ai is getting smarter

>>72099844
They are an allied corpo. Dokinigger just because you're mad about Kiara doesn't mean you're right.

>>72099821
I'd join them in beating the shit out of her, anon.

lmao now they're groveling at holochads' feet

>>72099867
>comparing an incident that you're personally involved in to a completely different incident that doesn't involve you at all
>im gonna pretend both are the same btw

>>72099896
I know you are new here, oh morally and syllogistically enlightened Redditor-Chama, but this is an imageboard.

Now you know that kfpiss is a nijisister

>>72100089
>an incident that you're personally involved in
Personally? But i've never touched his girlfriend.

>>72100159
Now we know you are mindbroken. Have fun seething for another month.

>>72100164
I would consider someone happily hanging out with and covering for people harming my family members to be a bad person. Is it difficult to understand why I would feel that way?

>>72100404
Feelings can always be explained from a logical point of view. If you feel a certain way and can't fully explain, it shows that they are not yours. Be free, brother, be sentient.

>>72100164
You'd still get fucked in the courts for negligence, it doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong.

>>72100451
So if your friend was a mass murderer and he told you that he was a mass murderer, would that be severe enough for you to say something then?

>>72100575
What kind of mass murderer? Im fairly sure that some mass murderers get rewarded for their behavior. If you are talking about them, i don't mind.

>>72100395
>Not even denying it
Lol

>>72098364
How is he abusing his girlfriend?

>Anons are arguing with a moral relativist "coldly logical" chuuni larper spewing radical right buzzwords, who's batting for Kiara, a known emotional libtard.
/vt/ sure is a fun place.

>>72100802
Im a centrist actually. I don't believe in being truly left or right, it's a psyop designed to destroy peoples' understanding of the world around us.

>>72085623
The proof is literally the cause of this thread you massive retard wtf are you on about?

>why wouldn’t I be friends with Hitler?
>it’s not like I’m Jewish
this retard lmao

>>72101031
Who are you quoting?

>>72100621
Holy fuck, and you wonder why know one wants to debate you when you are this argumentatively obfuscatory and disingenuous.

>>72101031
Any friend of Hitler is a friend of mine.

>>72101186
I just don't have patience for two-faced logic that many of you have.

>>72101222
But you do have patience for two-faced friends?

>>72101512
I see what you are trying to imply here, anon. And no, i don't.

>>72101574
It's not an implication, you literally stated so yourself. People arguing with you aren't being two-faced, you're just engaging in doublethink.

>>72101691
>People arguing with you aren't being two-faced
They are. They refuse to listen and are trying to gaslight me into thinking that im a criminal.

>>72101793
Wait a minute Finana is that you?

>>72101793
PARASOCIAL FUCKS

>>72078979
Kiara also really wanted to collab with Veibae.
I'd question trusting her judgment. Not to mention she's buddies with Elira, another snake.

>>72101793
You told us you're an accomplice of an abuser, refuse to bring him to justice because he's a friend of yours, and you're surprised people don't like you

>>72101793
Being a sociopath doesn't make you a criminal any more than being a pedophile (whose apologia for their own proclivities incidently resemble your reasoning here >>72099586 to a disturbing degree) would automatically make you a child molester.

Are kfp nijisisters? Why are they defending Kiara hanging with someone who pushed former talent to suicide?

>>72102290
Sounds like the description of every single remaining Nijisanji fan, minus the having a friend part.

>>72102341
finally realizing it

>>72078979
I think kiara is a net negative on hololive. As a fan she has given me nothing and only requires more and more, yapping with her beak like a little bird to insert worms into her mouth. BUT I SAY "NO"!

>>72098364
your willingness to talk to someone is a measure of, an action on and potentially a future driver of their social respect and prestige
by refusing to make any consequences for involvement in crime and abusive relationships while apparently being respectable enough, you are dedicating your small influence on society to making these activities less embarrassing (or potentially more prestigious in some cases)
as such if someone dislikes those things, it would be entirely logical for them to dislike you, who promotes those things