/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>x.com

> try to jump on the grift train
> put yourself in legal jeopardy
lmao

>>71935124
QRD? Who and what did she do?

>>71935124
The replies to the tweet are the funniest part in all this

>>71935124
> Take legal action accordingly
For fucking what, exactly? These people wrote her paycheck. They know what a streamer makes.

Meanwhile their own legal fees already went into the read before said streamer finishes signing the first page of chapter 7.

>>71935289
I think this is the girl who was charged around 400000 USD to graduate and she told the agency to go fuck themselves.

>>71935124
I heard one of the talents was fucking with ther coworkers, was it that bad?

>>71935124
Good, thots need to be taught they can't just play the victim to get out of legal obligations.

>>71935407
It's closer to $450k, but yeah

>>71935407
What?? I need to know more.

>>71935407
$400k to graduate? What the fuck?

>>71935124
Anon noone knows about your literal who 3view, post a qrd

>>71935289
She gave her contract to that lawyer fag and he reviewed it on stream iirc

>>71935124
there is a reason why every small corpo, besides idol and phase, explodes: they are run by braindead arrogant subhumans

>>71935407
Listen man, you have to understand, "etcetera" is heavy duty line item, easily worth the $10 whatever they put there.

>>71935418
You have an idea how little that narrows it down?

>>71935660
>besides idol and phase
a thousand keks.

>>71935583
Legal mindset made an entire stream talking about her. He had her contract and first hand account on it, so that's probably the best place to get whatever is public.

>>71935592
She wanted out of her contract early.

>>71935592
The billed her for like 50% of all staff hours for 4 months in addition to a bunch of other shit, as if the entire company had been working nonstop for her exclusive benefit. As far as I know, there was nothing to show for these thousands of staff hours. The company has like 18 other vtubers on their roster.

>>71935696
not really, I don't know much about this corpo besides Liora making me hard
all I know is that apparently one of the talents was doing something to fuck with the other talents

>>71935124
>I'm breaking contract, talk to my lawyer
>they still wanted to work with her in the future
I don't know if they're dedicated or just kind of dumb, but if someone told me they wanted to break contract I wouldn't want to work with them again when they might just break that contract too.
>they're actually gonna go ahead and refund memberships back to December
Neat.

>>71935495
You still have to be able to prove loss. And no offense to V&U talents, I watch several, but if the rest of their streamers are getting $400k of investment yearly, they should be getting more viewers.

>>71935738
Yeah but $450k?

>>71935124
>Hey bro, you wanna graduate? Here's an invoice for the percent of the wages of staff-san for the time spent on you.

>>71935643
he didn't how a single thing from the contract, most of his stream was just replaying her Twitch stream and playing a Shondo clip every 5 minutes

>>71935870
It's obviously just lip service to make themselves look benign.

>>71935583
https://youtu.be/nISFA7wJHZ4

>>71935124
>Refunding superchats
But she hasnt streamed for ages, no? They could do that?

>>71936023
He didn't show it because it had doxx stuff.

>>71935407
>"boss, I want to quit"
>"fine, it will be $400k"

>>71935870
It's easier for both parties if she would just finish out her existing contract.

>>71935124
Ooh they are THAT retarded to actually go after her, nice.
Only thing to worry about is if her mental breaks during the whole proceeding.
They can try and get really far into the proceedings, only to be tossed out at the first hearing, and even if they win, they have to actually go to her country and ask a judge there to uphold a foreign country's verdict.
Which lol, lmao.
So this is just to put stress on her, nothing else.

>>71936036
No, it's how they show they were damaged. Oh woe is us we had to pay out of pocket all this money! And such.

She said $100,000 in the stream that started this whole thing. The fact that it jumped to $450,000 overnight when she leaked her contract to Legal Mindset is really sketchy and I don't believe for a second that it's her contract's actual worth.

>>71936023
NDF still trying to denounce based mindset.
Sad to see

>>71935964
>Etc.

>>71936194
Even 100k is crazy high, imagine quitting your job and they demand over a years worth of pay from you.

>>71935705
Fish and aviel both seem to be on good terms with their talents.

>>71936194
The 100k was for the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuaHq2HmzKk

450k was the total amount.

>>71936221
Go back to Ralph, Gator.

>>71936036
>talent walks away from contract and talks all kinds of shit on the internet
>retarded twitterfags start going after your other talents
>they release a statement telling their side
>dramafags think it's just to make themselves look better
At least read, anon.

>>71936194
Look at spreadsheet and convert currency yourself.

Why did she even want to graduate in the first place?

>>71936194
Even $100,000 is ridiculous. Even Hololive doesn't invest that much in a single vtuber in their first year. You could get her for the *prorated* cost of the model and rigging, a share of the advertising budget commensurate with her part of it, and maybe a modest flat termination fee. This is after subtracting any profits taken during her contract including the donothon money they kept. That's reasonable and I could see that running up to $10,000. Maybe.

>>71936325
She was a depressed menhera.

>>71935592
I wouldn't be surprised if this was standard practice. It prevents talents from joining a corpo, using them to build an audience and then bailing to go indie while keeping a majority of said audience. Grifting whores can't be allowed to think that's a viable strategy to success. They should also stop treating joining a corpo like hanging out with a group of friends that you can just ghost if you get tired of them like most people seem to do with everything nowadays. Just runaway and pretend problems no longer exist.

>>71935124
You’re not getting shit black n u

>>71936176
I was referring to them saying they want to work with her in the future. I should've quoted that part, sorry.

Just making sure, people throwing around the numbers 100k and 450k, is that usd or yen? Because if that's yen that's like 1k and 4.5k respectively.

>>71936226
Should have dropped a fellatio among the etc

>>71936194
See >>71935964

>>71936226
$3,016.42 without any breakdown. Very cool.

>>71936369
It's USD, and also this is a Korean company so it'd be in won

>>71936315
See >>71936366 and untwist your panties.

>>71936325
from her stream she said that a manager talked to her over content concerns about one of her streams (suicide, something else I forget) while complaining they weren't helping her grow (she said she was quitting as they were running anniversary ads and had just released an orisong and MV with her genmate)

If you read their general, they act like your typical nijisisters.

>>71935407
Does it actually say that in the contract or is that what she claims?

>>71936325
According to her, management were a bunch of lazy fucks that do nothing but take their cut

>>71936405
>Korean company
Never trust a Korean company, Jesus christ what were they thinking

>>71936437
They come off exactly like nijisisters. "She's crazy." "This is standard business practice" Same shit.

>>71936435
They had problems with her streaming south park games after encouraging her to stream south park games in the first place

>>71936443
We have not seen the contract. All we know is that 2 lawyers said "wtf is this?" upon seeing the contract, so it's some nijisanji tier shit.

>>71936194
Nice copy paste

>>71936572
Thanks.

>>71935198
when ever i see that i think its some kind of porn site

>>71936443
She showed this. And I believe she said that it wasn't anywhere in the contract

>>71936194
>She said $100,000
She said it was over 100k, not that it was 100k.

>>71935124
I like some of the VNU girls but I really hope the staff learned from Nijisanji that trying to smear or go after your talents is a god-awful move for your brand. Hopefully they settle this shit quietly.

>>71935592
Rather than a fee for breaking contract early, they billed her to be reimbursed for the time and resources that had been afforded her by the company.

>>71935124
When you realise 99% of small corpos are doomed to failure, not because they have bad talents, but because management & leadership are mostly incompetent menhera.

>>71936652
>invoice the girl 400k usd to pay for the entire company just because she wants to leave
Why isn't this company getting buttfucked yet?

>>71935956
Eh, it might sound extreme but it’s to discourage someone using them for exposure and then bailing early. Now, I’ve never heard of this person or this corpo so I can’t really talk to how much exposure they give someone, but I don’t think the talent themselves being asked to give something up to break a contract early is all that wild.

what currency is W?
wallers?
wucks?
wen?

>>71936744
The moment she can prove it they will be.
But if she can't, then she's getting buttfucked.

>>71936797
Korean wanks.

Nobody has mentioned it in this thread but she was put on a meme "hiatus" when it happened
https://twitter.com/VNUofficial/status/1755516758046515376

>>71936797
Won. South Korean currency.

>>71936763
Ok? Let her go you boot licking asshole.

>>71936763
There's a big gap between "something" and $400,000. This is a 3view company these people would be doing well to make like $30,000 in a year of vtubing.

>>71936823
>she's getting buttfucked
By a Korean company while living in the US? Kek good luck

>>71936825
>>71936834
i seeee

>>71936763
>Eh, it might sound extreme but it’s to discourage someone using them for exposure and then bailing early
Why not put a fucking gun on their mouth instead? Sounds cheaper.

>>71936833
Feels like they copied Niji EN's homework and didn't even change any of the details.

>>71936823
US courts will laugh them out of the courtroom, roru

>>71936823
This shit always collapses once someone looks at how much the talent brought in.
If she legitimately cost 400K to support, then surely she must have been earning the company much, much more than that, and thus they surely can show that she was getting paid what she was worth. Or no one sane would be continuing to fund her, let alone try and keep her in the contract.

>>71936763
I don't think it's all that wild either, but $450k? You don't see anything unreasonable in that amount? As a fear tactic, no less?

>>71936916
they didn't say>>71936916
"for health reasons"

>>71936882
>>71936917
>both countries are constituents of the Hague Convention
Stay in school children.

Did a bot type this?

>>71937010
You're actually retarded wtf

>>71937010
holy shit she committed war crimes?

>>71937056
Korean MTL I guess, those company are stingy as fuck

>>71937056
Korean to English translation trying to sound official

>>71936916
I would not be surprised if many of these popup smallcorps are literally just exniji management trying to make niji2.0

>>71935124
I like liora and kokone so hopefully none of this shit affects them

>>71935124
I'm backing the company here. These drama grifters are popping up all over and I believe that they think they can just execute the grift and gain a following of blind idiots. Just like Dokifraud did. Has this one talked about a fake suicide attempt too?

>>71937183
> Kokone
She could write a book on stoicism
> Liora
My man, you already know how that one is going to go.

>>71937219
Good bait here’s your only (you) though

>>71936960
I agree it’s unreasonable, and it’s 100% a fear tactic. They don’t want other people just breaking contract early.

>>71936763
It is extreme when you remember that this is a small corpo we're talking about. There's no way she made anywhere close to $450k. It is fair to say that she should be fined for attempting to break her contract, or to remind her "Hey, you want to leave, fine. But you need to fulfill the rest of your contract/you need to give us one months notice in advance". 450k even as an intimidation tactic is just ridiculous.
If they wanted to look legit, they should have low balled that number by a lot. Like 5 thousand, maybe? Even then that seems to be quite a bit.

>>71936085
And then she just fucked off because not like they can even get these money

>>71937010
You tried to insult someone else's ignorance, but you played yourself.

thanks for the laugh, OP. they'll never see a penny of that $450k.

>>71937183
nice bait here, but Serafii already contact a lawyer and confirm on her twitch stream that the contract is bullshit.
that before the grifter lawyer talks about her.

>>71935124
Don't know who, but why are companies so afraid of legal representation?
Give the lawyers a chance to communicate.

>>71936763
An agreement to cover the cost of the model investment sounds reasonable, but $450k? On top of what she already made them in revenue? Nah, they can go fuck themselves

>>71935124
B(lack)&U want to be niji so bad

>>71937183
Their contracts are null and void according to Serafi

>>71936833
Any company that does stealth suspensions is a black company

>>71935124
>Korean nijisanji

>>71937266
>its a fear tactic
Not once they send the invoice it isn't, it becomes retardation then.

>>71937183
Liora already streams as her non v&u self pretty often so she'll be fine

Maria can you join this one too?

>>71937593
Y'all fuckers are going to get her in trouble talking about that shit on here way too much.

>>71937528
It was a stealth graduation actually. She's been graduated since late Feb

>>71937464
Vtubing is a very young industry full of shady folks who don't want lawyers seeing what they've been up to. The current trend this year of vtubers getting in legal conflict with their corpos is just growing pains any new industry suffers.

Eventually all these shady groups will be filtered out and every vtubing company will accept that you need lawyers and your talents need their own representation for negotiating with the corpo. You can't just have a single manager serve both the interests of the company and the talent because that creates a conflict.

>>71937603
kek

>>71937319
5000 wouldn't be unreasonably high, such a number has a chance of sticking. But at the same time, she is in USA and taking someone to court over 4 figures if they don't wanna pay is a self own.

>>71936226
it's crazy that a company run by literal jews is turning out to be the least greedy one in the industry

>>71936881
>3view company
Most of them aren't even 3views yet from what I've seen.
It's like a corpo for the sake of being corpo. All the girls are instructed to only talk to other corpo girls too so they kill themselves for networking in smaller markets and barely get enough exposure for 100 CCV.
It's embarrassing that they'd even sign a contract to be with such a pathetic company.

>>71937603

>>71935124
Her lawyer laughed at the invoice and told her to ignore it.
Thought it was going to be a silent separation, but here we are.

>>71937692
Gunrun is a jew?

>>71937465
if the talent owns the model, they should pay to cover the cost.
Otherwise, no it's bullshit to pay for something you got hired for and the IP belong to the company.
Some companies like Covers also have strict restrictions on Idol commissions themselves, like Korone Furball and Pekora Prisoner costume. (Korone did confirm it was not about copyright issue)

>>71937729
That shit wasn’t EVEN IN the contract

>>71937771
>no clawback clause in the contract
>"um ackshully, we are going to send you an itemized list of charges and you have to pay"
do koreans really

>>71935198
https://youtu.be/pX0Cm3N_n6k?si=iGKUJdA61cYL5olZ

>>71937010
What school taught you VTubers legal disputes fall under the Hague Convention?

>>71935592
>$400k to graduate?
V&U made up the biggest financial penalty they could which likely means that was done to stop their other vtubers from quitting. Many of the small vtuber corpos are run by grifters but this company took all the wrong lessons from Nijisanji.

>>71937952
>japan has numba wan brack company? we can beat that

So will that lawyer save her ass?

>>71936023
>playing a Shondo clip every 5 minutes
Giga BASED

>>71938004
To be fair, Korean culture is even more extreme than Japan when it comes to that social hierarchy bullshit. It's comes as no surprise that a Korean company could be equal or worse than a Japanese one given that.

Who is the Meiji Jap retard who thought giving corporations, faceless entities whose designation literally means "body" in Latin, the ability to save face by mercilessly pursuing whistleblowers with libel and public legal threats? That might have flown in colonial Korea, but surely not the present day? Oh who am I kidding, it took these Pacific Rim fucks 150 years to cuck themselves into this position, they still need to fight for it tooth and nail. If we told them it was a Japnese import, surely that would be the death of it in Korea, no?

This is a pretty common practice in the korean idol industry btw. Idol trainees who fail to debut gets billed the amount of investment spent on them.

>>71938060
Her lawyer already did. Legal Mindset, seperate from her actual lawyer, just brought it up to light so dramafaggots could bring it to normies.

>>71938182
And now they will understand why you should do some fucking market research before attempting to export their black company practices overseas

>>71937611
I'd assume they know that she streams. They can't be that clueless

>>71938182
>company thinks that their underhanded Korean tactics will work on westoids
lol

>V&U pulled her into a meeting to shit on her for "promoting hate speech" during her South Park stream
Kek wtf

>>71938182
>make a bad investment
>charge the person you didn’t assess correctly
vantablack isn’t black enough

>>71938227
So in the end, that lawyer doesn't help her at all, but only benefits for his channel? Why even gave that fag the contract and getting more trouble after that

>>71938391
Holy based???

>>71935124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNwTglVYt3U

>>71938391
>Serafi graduated because staff told her she couldn't play the South Park game anymore
Kek wtf

>>71938428
Posts like these are always funny because you just know it's the NDF still trying to denounce him for everything he said (that was corroborated by other lawyers).

>>71938457
>Get a lawyer
Terminate

>>71938457
i mean if they don’t pay you for months, don’t give you any meaningful managerial support AND try to control what you stream…

>>71938429
And apparently she was promoting eating disorders during her Class of 09 stream

>How did this happen? We're smarter than this!
>Apparently not.

>>71935124
Even though they can't do anything to her overseas, it keeps those in line in Korea.

>>71938478
They still waiting for a gotcha moment.

>>71938731
If Korean law allows them to do shit like this then they might as well join back with north korea

>she trusted a korean company

>>71937319
Yeah, but at the same time they probably don’t want to low ball it to a price that looks somewhat affordable. They don’t want to spend resources on getting people set up, only for them to dip six months into with whatever minuscule exposure they could skim off this corpo.

>>71938912
The Based Mindset talked about how insane the laws in South Korea are. You're right about it basically being North Korea.

>>71935124
You just want to be an anime gulr on the internet and you get this bs. Sad. So sad.

>>71935660
You're genuinely retarded if you don't think fishman is just as evil.

this shit is crazy because she's just a "who 2view chuuba" and they think she's worth almost half a million

>>71939132
They don’t, they are just trying to scare others into not following her.

sure, making this shit even more public, with an entire comporation against a single person (specially after the dokibird incident) in a overseas case, and risking discovery is a good idea

Why don't vtubers read their contracts before signing?

i would look into this closer anons. V&U was keeping this in legal but Serafi took it to public during the new generations debut and even sent her mod, best friend, and fans into v&u discord and 4 chan thread just to harass them, which makes her saying not to go harass even more insulting when shes the one that sent them on the first place. She 100% gives no shits about her co workers considering she decided to wait for new debuts just so she could sabotage them. she of all people should know how long it takes to plan a debut, and she decided to shit all over 5 girls she doesnt know for her own selfish benefit. Then check her private twitter and see who she associates with. By the way i have no idea what V&U does, i mainly watch Phase, Kawaii, and Prism, they could be a black company just like Kawaii and Prism, but even if they are a black company serafi is far from an angel from this event alone and complete disregard for others. it IS worth noting that v&u did have rumblings of black company in the past, but i couldn't find much information on it.

>>71939319
The invoice is seperate from the contract

>>71939331
No one has said Serafi was angel. The company slapped her with a 450k USD fine for leaving which is absolutely baffling

>>71939122
I can't believe sakana is blackmailing his employees with court...

>>71939331
They are Koreans trying to emulate Korean idol shit, of course they are a black company. It still sounds like some zoomer bitch who has never signed a contract before, and also didn’t read her current contract, is surprised breaking a contract isn’t as easy as just saying you want to end it. Both sides of this are shit.

>>71939319
Probably because of absurdly short deadlines that give them no time to decide between thoroughly reading the contract and passing over what they think is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

>>71938478
legal mindset is a hack though if you look at his videos. niji situation is different because even the more professional channels that arent clout chasing meme channels caught niji slipping. i cant help but think serafi drones are trying to act like theyre doki when the situation hasnt developed that far yet. we need more information.
what we have: supposed serafi contract, a twitter response by v&u
what we have on niji: several public statements, statements by third parties like artists and past mods, similar statements by other former livers, exposure of incompetent management and receipts on what money was spent on, discord messages etc etc. we literally have no information yet to judge the situation. are you guys really going to act like a twitter drama mob before we get more sources?

>>71939535
Behold, a new challenger appears, the VUDF.

>>71939331
>sent her mod, best friend, and fans into v&u discord and 4 chan thread just to harass them
Vnugger you have your own thread to felate your black company in

>>71939331

>>71939331
all vtuber corpos are black companies unless proven otherwise

>>71939535
the only solid information here is that serafi is comparing herself to doki, which is a huge disservice to what doki went through considering the circumstances of both incidents

>>71939122
Sakana is Canadian, he's legally and culturally not allowed to be evil. However, he's very transparent that he makes talents do work outside of streaming

>>71939579
to each their own, calling random neutral fans vudf just makes serafi supporters look petty and want to take her side less you know. iam open to siding with serafi once we get more concrete confirmed documents. but ill never trust that grifter legal mindset. lest professional looking "lawyer" channel ever that doesmt even cover actual cases, it covers... memes and fotm sfuff

>>71939654
>comparing herself to doki
No she is not? She said that Doki gave her confidence, but that what Doki went through was 10x worse. Why are you lying

>>71939132
Most of them are just kids in their early 20s, finally land a job just to stream and only focusing on benefits.
She probably read through it but don't really understand it. Even adults hire a lawyer to go over the contract because that shit can be twisted depends on that "term/word" they used

>>71939331
I don't think there's any point in caring about this drama, literally the only thing people say is "yeah but 450k" and "I don't care, corpo evil always wrong" because it's all they heard from the dramatuber and the dramalawyer.
I don't know shit about V&U but their girls have some nice models so I hope they don't die just because of this.

>>71935124
nijisanji 2.0?

>>71939687
>The Rittenhouse trial wasn't an "actual case"
Kek. Sure thing

>>71936038
>>71935734

>linking to dramafags

kys SEA

Oh hey, I remember her
Her voice was pretty hot and she had nice feet

>>71939331
Serafi is known to be a lazy whore, who doesn't stream because of tummy hort. She wants to be V&U's Pippa but is very thin-skinned to criticism. It's a shame because the girl has a talent for singing. Her clamis of not getting support is also a load of bull, considering that she is featured on 3D videos and ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuaHq2HmzKk

>>71939760
>she had nice feet
Let's not go that far

>>71939751
>"waaaah dont cwiticize my bwack company!!"
Black corpa cocksuckers hate him so much, he must be doing something right

>>71939122
you know nothing about that guy phasekeks

>>71939772
>Actual vnuggie defending his black corpo

>>71939791
Okay, compared to most vtubers

serafi should have went to a real lawyer not one known for being a grifting drama fag if she wanted more support. it unironically would make me believe her side way way more. you can hate me all you want since your a legal mindset fanboy, but i draw the line there.

why is every post shitting on Serafi the most ESL garble imaginable?

>>71939693
saying that doki had it 10 times worse is comparing herself to doki you illiterate retard. and even that kind of comparison is fucking insulting towards doki. serafi herself said that she wanted to terminate contract because they didnt help her as much as she wanted them to, doki wanted to fuck off after they drove her to suicide attempts and overall toxic environment. they are not even in the same universe.

also i see the same serafi fag thats no lifing 4 chan is here, so ill take my leave. see you again when more concrete evidence comes out

What should a corpo do for vtubers that want to bail early? What's the proper business plan?

>>71939829
She went to a "real lawyer" first, illiterate-kun

>>71936239
So does Riku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgTZp8ixuNg

so to summarize thread, serafi is doki, VNU and its fanbase is just nijsanji?

>>71939879
then show him reviewing it then. just get him to use a voice changer and give the legal advice.

>>71939772
I don't care if she signed on then did literally nothing her entire tenure, there is no dimension of reality where the support structure for exclusively her covering 4 months totals to over $450k. That's a blatant scare tactic and would not hold up in a US Court.
I'm not saying they shouldn't pursue damages, but an actual fucking number, not whatever imaginary number they wrote to try and scare other talent off of fucking around.

>>71939821
Not really. V&U can go to hell or improve or whatever, but the fact is that the number of girls who are eager to stream and have fun in the corpo outnumbers a single girl with well-known issues.

>>71939872
>She should've said that she had it 100x worse
You're actually retarded. You didn't even know that she made the 10x comment which means that you believed that she was comparing herself to Doki from being a threadreader

>>71939865
They can only speak Korean

>>71939918
>well-known issues
Why bring this up except to slander her character? V&U is a black company as seen from the screenshots. You don't even have to listen to a word she said

>>71938182
sounds fair

>>71939900
You didn't even see the paper only part of it, that could have been anything and not the actual asking amount, but you believe anything if it means you can hate on a corpo

>>71935660
Idol has a similar situation with Pochi. She's too legally bound right now to even talk directly about the graduation.

>>71939971
why are you so desperate to protect serafis character. we all saw what she did and we can see her alien mixture account. shes a pos. her being a pos doesnt make v&u not s black company, its okay to admit shes a bitch, unless ofc your a serafi cuck.

>>71939728
>guys, I know this company looks pretty bad b-but pretty models!
You are one to talk warning us not to fall for a grift.

>>71940025
>>guys, I know this company looks pretty bad b-but pretty models!

>>71940025
the lack of evidence before false posted is a bit sad to see, i thought he changed, but he jist pushed this out undercooked.

>>71940009
>shes a pos
>its okay to admit shes a bitch, unless ofc your a serafi cuck.
You're really not doing a good job

>>71939992
See, anon, the thing is that my argument is structurally designed to not give a shit about the actual facts, because it is a logical argument built entirely on inassailable critical thinking skills
>It is not possible to actually have reasonable business expenses for a single talent in 4 months of operation that totals to over $450k.
If they didn't ask for $450k, then my logic still stands, it's just not directly relevant.
If they claimed that it was more time, the logic still holds, and is again not directly pertinent.
The logic does not care about the situational facts, nor the unknown variables, because the logic is itself. And since you can't destabilize the logic of the argument, it will continue to hold.
This is how people with brains operate, anon. Try exercising your critical thinking skills sometime.

>>71940009
Actual vudf

>>71935124
>Vtubing is full of shady carnies both among the talent themselves and the people in charge
The Vtubing comparison to Pro Wrestling gets more and more accurate everyday.

>>71940025
It's simple, anon: if any talent leaves I can't see their models anymore. Therefore I don't want anyone to leave (or the corp to die).
I hope that's clear enough to you.
No, I don't care if the corp is black or white or pink or RGB flashing lights. I just want to watch cute girls with cute models.

>>71935124
Why are so many vtuber companies so fucking dogshit?
>>71939319
Why would they? Their contracts are a legit joke and would be torn apart in a court of law

>>71939331
Lmao, trying too hard V&U employeechama

>>71939923
i actually watched her stream and know what she talked about dramanig-kun. if you want to compare her to doki then you are free to do so, but i sure hope that you are not actually a dragoon.

>>71940042
DK is the only one with a notable model
Echo has a massive fucking 5head, I honestly don't know why they designed that shit

>>71940079
neither are serafi cucks. i really dont watch any v&u girls, i mostly watch uruka, raki, miori etc. but as a neutral looking at the situation, she acted without regard for the debuting girls at all and chose a timing to fuck with them just because she wanted revenge on the corpo without thinking of the girls. did they deserve to suffer losses due to the corpo? its not like they were part of some bullying clique. that shows a deep lack of empathy and reflects poorly on her character. now look at the people she interacts with on twitter. you get some truly deplorable people just using twitter to grand stand and berate others for clout.

>>71939829
Not a fan of the grifter lawyer but I think it's a good strategy, latching onto a successful grifter at the height of his popularity, as one of the figureheads of a popular ongoing movement (anti-niji protest). She could've been a fart in the wind literal who without all the prior drama, but she saw the opportunity and took it. She objectively will get more support this way just because LegalMindset's has (regrettably) become a hero to many and his words have become the absolute truth to the less critical

>>71940170
>invokes CGDCT
I knew you faggots lacked any critical thinking skills but holy fuck, I at least expected you not to support companies exploiting the cute girls you love so much.

>>71940170
Same. I trust my oshi to know what she is doing. If V&U is really that bad, she will not be staying there and just leave like Serafi did. If the graduation bill is illegitimate, they have no reason to stay there.

>>71940255
Not giving a shit about anything is the only way to properly enjoy vtubers. Everyone involved in every side, from talents to corps, is a shitty person deep inside who's willing to drop anyone who supported them at the drop of a hat, so you should treat them the exact same way and only pretend to care about them superficially while they're doing their job. The person behind the mask doesn't matter. The inner workings of a corp don't matter. Give them any more importance than they deserve and they'll squeeze all they can out of you and then toss you aside when your support isn't convenient enough for them anymore.

>>71940240
Hey, I recognize this argument! It disappeared pretty quickly under the molasses flood of other NDF agitprop tho, so it will only be a matter of time before VUDF latches on to a better smear tactic.

>450k
it was 100k when her best friend mod broke the news on discord. what's going on here

>>71940353
She remembered wrong, it was actually 1m
They asked her to pay 1.7m

>>71940249
For how long, though? Serafi does not have Doki's talent nor determination. Small corpo drama gets forgotten very easily, like the downfall of AkioAir.

>>71940348
to be fair their smear tactic is pretty shit if they literally didnt talk about her publicly at all until now

>>71940348
whatever floats your boat serafi cuck. i am legitimately not a v&u watcher by the way, i just decided to look into the situation and found serafis actions deplorable. last time i checked doki wasnt the aggresor, sayu didn't try to sabotage her coworkers, etc i fully support doki and sayu, so comparing it to niji is insulting.

>>71940336
Yes, yes. Consoom the slop without any regard for the ethics propping it up. Just think only of the keys jingling in front of you. Surely the bad practices of that company being exposed won't have anything more than a negligible impact of my enjoyment of the colourful pretty anime girls I love so much!

>>71940448
Exactly. No one cares. Not even you.

Kokone paizuri

>>71937759
he didn't do jackshit with mousey's 3d

>>71940432

>>71940678
What do you mean? What should he have done and didn't?

>>71940432
I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously when you keep using the word "deplorable" to describe people rallying behind someone.

>>71937010
Vtubers are subject to the hague convention? Pekora, don't look!

>>71936833
>Gold check mark
>Tons of investment
>Talents are 2-3views
How do they even make a profit?

Nice. I hope that if other seemingly black companies have one poor talent break contract to spread the words about how terrible their black companies are, so that everyone will start supporting their poor and traumatized talents and denouncing the company and its talents if they don't leave their black company asap. For example, the talents who choose to stay at V&U are probably pieces of shit so they deserve to burn in hell for defending V&U.

>>71941011
they don’t invest
they make money by taking 100% of the subathon cut

>>71941118
And then every vtuber will be an indie and they'll be rich and everyone will watch them!
The world will finally be free of corps!

>>71941118
This could set a precedent that a single bad actor can do this if given enough time. It's especially effective if it's a 2-3view, as people who don't watch them and don't know much about them because they're literal whos will believe and support the bad actor more. The more bad actors, the more effective and convincing.

>>71940000
Idol paid for pochis redebut(into an IMO inferior model) and she still doesn't stream. If they terminate her people won't unanimously side with her.

>>71939751
>ask for source
>complain
nigga be crazy.

Should have done the cock rating stream

>>71939971
Nta but Serafi has been Gura tier with steam frequency for over a year now.

>>71941118
>VTuber explicitly insists on leaving the talents out of it
>let me type a sarcastic post implying that this person is going out of their way to shit on the talents who choose to stay at the company

4view indie here, the company is your classic smaller corp full of scumbag management trying to take advantage of young rube vtubers, so shitting on them is warranted, but do not trust this bitch as far as you can throw her. She's a manipulative menhera who goes after other vtubers for petty reasons and has a horrible reputation in the space, avoid like an STD

>>71940170
So basically you want people to dance for you no matter how bad the situation is behind the curtain.
Handbook definition of slave supporter. Denied from society.

>>71942002
Care to give examples? If not sorry but I don’t see why I should side with a corpo that bills her more that their probable network.

>>71942028
Not without her going back after some of my colleagues she has grudges against, but I'm not saying to support the corp either. Everyone involved in this situation is an asshole

>>71942028
They didn't say trust the corp retard, they said not to trust Serafi. As somebody who's watched VNU for a few years and seen her since debut passively I completely agree. She's a good singer but she wants to be Pippa and isn't cut it for it. Hell one of her main reasons for ghosting out of her own mouth is "they weren't helping her grow."
This girl has canceled 90% of her streams in the past year. They can't help you if you aren't putting in some time too

In b4 I get called a vnu defender, I think the itemized bill is stupid as fuck

>>71938182
If you get hired and told you have to make them a million no matter if you succeed or get billed about it, it’s not a contract, it’s a scam to indebt you illegally.
Even if this bs is in a contract it would not fly in most civilized countries. Looks like the bubble has popped, all the black corpos are gonna pay the piper and the industry will sanitize out.

>>71942071
>>Everyone involved in this situation is an asshole
Wait, even me for reading this?

>>71936763
>Eh it's just half a million goy, you only have to keep vtubing for 70 years for your Korean sweatshop agency and maybe you can retire with just a few hundred grand in the red, no was forcing her to stay. Who cares if she was forcibly on break and saddled with 450k fine with no way to pay it off considering they didn't even let her stream, she just simply had to pay if she wanted to stream again

>>71942213
Yes, and me too for replying to you.
Fuck you pal.

vnuggers are earning their $5 kimchi coupons today. so entertaining. ty

>>71936596
Lmao what, is she supposed to have a team of 20+ people on her direct payroll? Fucking clowns.

>>71942246
>vnuggers
Kek

>>71942162
Then sue her for damages for not respecting the contract, if it has actial rules on minimum work required.
The invoce is bs, you can’t suddenly decide something is now inder her cost, especially if it is IP stuff you own.
But since this is actually going trough legal ways we will likely see much more about it. Just be aware if the contract is an absolute shitshow she may just win out of the fact these people are demanding the wrong thing.
And that will set a precedent and the i dustry will start to quake as precedents can speed up trials immensely by being used as proof. That’s why 99% of corpos always try to settle.

>>71942248
It's like a doctors visit for the flu where they cycle you through like 6 different nurses just to rack up the bill lol

>>71939897
As the grift lawyer already pointed out, you guys will never accept it. As long as its not black on white known who the lawyer is you fuck will just continue to move the goalposts of what a "real" lawyer is.
>oh how do we know he is a lawyer when he covers his face and voice
>oh how do we know he is a lawyer if he is not doxxing himself
Yea, BS. Lawyering is to be done in private. Not infront of everyone just because you are some goblin who wants to defend a fucking corporation.

>>71942005
Go ahead and trust her, then. Support her with all your might, she will certainly never betray your trust in any of her incarnations. There's no way anyone could ever do that, right?

>>71942340
I mean sure, but these numbers legit look like a full monthly wage. For a severance? They want her to pay for a full months wage for a full team of people. Its insane.

Vnuggies how can we recover from this

>My Oshi Pomu graduates so I stopped watching all Nijis
>Find a new Oshi that happens to be in V&U like two weeks ago
>This happens
I’m sorry, it’s my fault, I’m cursed

>>71935124
Bailing after a donothon just makes her look like a massive cunt

>>71942442
who?

>>71942284
I don't care about the contract or bill. I was simply reiterating what the indietuber said about serafi>

>>71942450
>Hold subathon
>Get zero of profits
>Be angry and quit
What a bitch!!

>>71942367
Mel...

>>71936596
This can't be right. Each and everyone of those cost about 2,824 usd PER month.

>>71942497
Pomu Rainpuff

>>71942652
i asked about the new oshi

>>71942759
I know, I’m just being a dick, Maeve

>>71942367
I don't trust her, but i like to see the world burn.
Especially if it Korean Idol industry.

>>71936249
>100k for this
the fuck? You could get a 3 minute fully detailed 2D animated MV by a decent studio for that amount.

>>71942570
RL selfie for member.

I like Mel but I won't pay to get RL stuff

>>71942442
Same man, I was a massive pomudachi that would watch some of the V&U girls on the side. Every corpo I enjoy will go into flames i've just accepted that as a fact of life

>>71940183
>Why are so many vtuber companies so fucking dogshit?
Most of them---at least, of those involved in the Western market---saw the vtuber bubble grow in 2020 to 2022 and wanted to see if they could be responsible for the next "Gawr Gura" or "Luxiem" or what have you, instead of actual passion for the medium. You can probably combine that problem with East Asian business practices and the legal systems that support them, too.

>>71942785
nice

No wonder she follows notriifu's company

>>71942442
It's not like she's gone. Indies are better anyway.

>>71941118
No way, sister! They should just stay and suffer in their shithole of a company because it might cause inconvenience to other people. In fact, we should shame them for even trying leave a situation that is making them miserable. They should be forced to suffer for the sake of others so as to not cause trouble for them!

>>71943011
Didn't mean Rika mel

>>71935964
What a bullshit doc.
Im looking at their numbers. they barely push 3 view. who is funding this shit and how is the head manager spending 50% of his time on a single talent?
is she specifically their upper /lig/ sized golden goose or what?

>>71940353
She said it was well over 100k but didn't want to name the actual price. The document she showed to lawyers says the total was 450k

>>71936194
You realise 450k is indeed above 100k, like she said?

>>71943800
Theres a reason they charged her $20k for youtube ads. They spend that much on seemingly every talent now. Their 5th gen was approaching 20k subs a week+ prior to their debut, that’s how much they invest in ads. Though they seem to invest barely anything into the models considering nearly every model they’ve created for their talents recently has been hideous and poorly rigged. They are backed by SM Entertainment iirc which is one of the biggest media companies in Korea. Though none of their talents save for 1-2 even break 200 CCV, they are certainly not making even a fraction of the amount they invest in their talents. The tit will run dry eventually, probably soon. They’ve been pumping out gen after gen for months, paying for ads for every single one of them and no one in gen 4 breaks into 3 digit CCV without raids. A few in gen 3 don’t even break into 3 digit CCV without raids. Don’t know about gen 5 but between gen 4 and 5 it’s hard to say which has the uglier models kek. They seem to think that the fake it til you make it approach will work, they also spend who knows how much paying for ads for Gen 1’s 3D debut song up to 1 million views in less than a week

>>71944434
Samefag but any time you want a good laugh just go to vnug and tell that 95% of their talents subs are fake. Literally every single one. Gen 3 probably has less than 10k real subs except for Suri and even she received 15k+ subs exclusively from ads. You can see this yourself on social blade, everyone got ads at the same exact time so their subs all go up during the same 2 week time frame. The amount of cope in that thread is some of the funniest shit I’ve ever read.

>>71939331
It was after the debut inter-kun (learn timezones!). She is a part-time streamer and stopped doing her job until the debuts were done The idea that she would stop working for 2 months just because V&U wants to debut new talents is ridiculous.

>>71944434
Yeah, I see their ads all the time

>>71944735
Funnily enough they paid for ads for Serafi early on but never her genmate. Once gen 3 came along, they let them grow naturally to about 5k and then started going hard on ads. They literally all went from stagnating at the 5k-6k mark to all around 25k-30k in less than a month with no change in CCV. From a monetary perspective it makes no sense, the company gains nothing from this.

>>71943309
I know, I'm still following and watching all her breadcrumb content

>>71944434
>SM entertainment
yeah, more reason to watch them burn.

>>71944922
They did pay for Amoria's ads but they retardedly made it link to Serafi.

What's with these startup agencies pulling stupid shit on the legal side of things? Are these just out of college kids larping as businessmen? Like do they just watch youtube gurus and think they can start companies with shady practices OUT IN THE FUCKING OPEN?

>>71936236
It was 100k to break the contract early, not to legally end the contract. Fucking retard.

>>71945035
Agreed. Who could’ve guessed that the one of the most evil Kpop companies in existence would also back a black vtuber company? Kek
>>71945129
Kek are you serious? Was that early on around gen 2’s debut or?

>>71944434
>Theres a reason they charged her $20k for youtube ads. They spend that much on seemingly every talent now
Why would they charge the marketing cost to the talent? No such thing as risk free business.

>>71945371
I’m not defending it, it’s a fucking absurd ask. What I mean was that they are almost certainly actually spending that much on ads because every talent has 95% of their subs purchased by the company running ads. They do not get organic growth whatsoever. Now every talent is multi streaming normal streams and shorts streams simultaneously to try and get more subs without the Mr. Kim buying more kek. Yet at their highest they sit at 120 CCV while many of them get stuck in the 30-50ccv range despite having 20k+ subs in less than 1-3 months.

>>71945148
>Are these just out of college kids larping as businessmen?
most likely
seriously V&U literally was the sleeper/dark horse agency before this yab, a serious contender, I doubt theyll recove. how do you cuk up this hard

>>71945573
It was never a contender. None of their talents come even close to idol/phase and I’m not even an idol or phase fag. But literally every talent in v&u had their subs purchased by Mr. Kim. Liora and Suri are the only 2 who have actually gained any reasonable amount of subs without Mr. Kim’s help and even then, half of Suri’s subs were purchased and not earned anyway

>>71945677
damn....

the rrat is that she was offered a spot by Pippa/Airi in phase so they could poach her and they told her to shit on V&U and make some shit up while doing so

>>71945725
CCV says all. If your entire gen 3 is sitting pretty at 30k-40k, why do half of them struggle to break 3 digit ccv? Why do they at their highest peak at 120 ccv? While idol and phase talents with similar subs easily gain double that CCV even on guerillas? It’s all a scam. I wouldn’t be surprised if they genuinely thought they could extort Serafi for some amount of money (even though they know she made shit) The money will run out sooner rather than later.

>>71942245
I wanna lick your asshole.

>>71945828
Well see if that is true if she joins phase. If it is then Phase connect is actively damaging the vtubing industry. Not even Riku does this shit

>>71942245
Wtf I don’t like you now.

>>71935340
lol, replies are literally "Don't go full nijisanji"

>>71945830
So would it be fair to say that there most viewed talent is worth 0.24 finana

>>71945828
>company is in korea
>phase is in canada
>they would have to go to canada to sue her (nobody in their right mind would)
>0 consequences for phase
diabolical

>>71936249
>450k
You could get 4 and a half Ironmouse concerts with that money. What the fuck?

>>71945830
>struggle
one of them is streaming right now to 200 looking at playboard she has never had a stream bellow 120

>>71935124
Well they are fucking dead now. Way to go, mini-niji.

>>71946032
>actively damaging the vtubing industry
>Not even Riku does this shit
You really think riku's vtuber slave plantation and all the awful fans niji brings in haven't damaged the vtuber industry?

>>71946451
must be a glitch in the matrix

>>71946613
Nah, that is doing damage to themselves

>>71946822
Youre crazy if you think one of the top 2 vtuber corpas being so openly shitty isn't damaging the industry's rep to outsiders

>>71939331
>serafi is far from an angel
Ironic.

>>71947013
People like ironmouse do more damage to the "reputation" of the industry than Nijisanji ever will on their own

>>71935124
>allowing refund
Pretty cool of them. I wonder what she did tho. Only watched a couple of her streams.

>>71947253
what did she do?
>inb4 she is faking her ilness conspiracy

>>71947253
Not even close. Niji is such a toxic nuclear shithole that normies are starting to think all vtuber corpas are like that

>>71947536
>conspiracy
ok

>>71947577
do you have proof? don't bother to reply, of course you haven't.

>>71935124
This year is certainly something else and we're not even a quarter in. I wonder when we will get the first black and white announcement about a chuuba killing herself

>another vtuber breaches contract
Vtubers are so lazy and entitled that it doesn't surprise me they would go as far as do shit like this.

>>71947303
It's not really that cool of them when you remember they're only doing it because they got caught milking their fans for the membership money on a channel of a vtuber they'd already terminated, and the only reason people know about it is due to the vtuber herself blowing the whistle on the fact that she had already been terminated instead of put on "temporary hiatus" like the company had originally stated.

vnuggers have turned into a rabid defense force for there talents who are worth .24 finana. I appreciate that level of fandoml

>>71939829
>>71940249
>if I throw the word grifter around it will invalidate all facts and reality
Like him or not the content is important for the industry. Phasefags can stop shrilling their oshis though.