/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71428100
>they eventually decide to renew and graduate without a farewell stream
retard

>>71428100
>they eventually decide NOT to renew and graduate without a farewell stream
FTFY. Vesper was also annoyed about game perm autism. Other than that, Magni notably hated his model, to the point of shitting on it on his other twitter account; he called it an ugly work uniform. Nowadays he's just pissed that his fanbase didn't follow him back to his weird fleshstreamer shit. He's honestly pretty stupid for thinking that fans he made doing one type of content would stick around for something completely different.

>>71428399
>>71428454
yeah missed a word sorry, not to renew

I wonder how /mans/ was like when the news dropped.

>>71428100
Total homo segregation I thank these two faggots for poisoning the well. Kronii was a necessary sacrifice

>>71428100
>>71428454
Yeah that's pretty much all there is to say about these two retards. Dez is way too much of a number chaser and Bettel passing him probably mindbroke him. With how shittily he treated his fans and the rest of his gen I'm glad he's doing worse than ever.

>>71428454
yeah the faggot is still leeching on tempus to this day. honestly feel like that they're just too kind to say no to the retard.
glad his femboy shit isn't doing well, serves him right for betraying YAGOO.
no doubt the faggot is trying to poison bettel because they live close to each other.

>>71428454
>hated his model
Why though? I'll admit I didn't watch him outside of a couple of the tmepus collabs but I thought his design was actually pretty good
>captcha: TARD4D

>>71428100
They are just dumb faggots. Imagine losing such a chance in your life because you are a entitled dumb bitch. What is going on with the direction of HomostarsEN in general, why are they hiring absolute retard-faggots? Where are the strong brotubers that don't chase after Holos, don't have annoying personalities and voices, are entertaining , stream a lot and regularly and have a proper work ethic, is it that hard to find such guys?

>>71428100
No evidence to support any of this, it's all rrats. All we know for certain is NotMagni is still pissed about how it went down but never said what happened. That and the group is still friends behind the scenes, so nothing went down between the talents.

>>71428988
>is it that hard to find such guys?
They become flesh streamers

>>71428100
Fuck idolshit
Idolshit should always be optional
Remember, Cover tried idolshit focused generations multiple times in the past and they fucking failed each time.

>>71428988
If you're going to join an entertainment company, then you should be able to work with most people. There's no point in joining if you're going to get red taped out the ass just because some weak """""men""""" are going to shit and piss their pants due to their self inflicted trauma.

>>71428988
tempus 2 and 3 kinda fits but you retards won't give them a chance. because these 2 "burned that bridge" or whatever the fuck you say about them.
the holo collabs were initiated by the girls. yeah, they could've said no but that would be kinda disrespectful, wouldn't it?
doesn't matter now anyway, their branch pivoted from the failed "brotuber" attempt after the shitstorm from the mixed collabs. good for them, less drama for everyone.
they feed the sisters and the sisters gives them enough money to thrive in their small corner.

ITT: Trannies try to pass off their fanfictions as fact and pat themselves on the back for it. None of you faggots will ever be women.

>>71428988
>Where are the strong brotubers that don't chase after Holos, don't have annoying personalities and voices, are entertaining , stream a lot and regularly and have a proper work ethic
They're already in holostars

>>71428988
You say this whilst not even watching any of them, you braindead faggot. Even the most mid Holostar is infinitely more entertaining and interesting than any of your hololive roasties that sit on noombers because fat balding incels like you want to fuck the hole between their legs. Females aren't vtubers. They're fuckmuses

>>71428988
>Where are the strong brotubers that don't chase after Holos, don't have annoying personalities and voices, are entertaining , stream a lot and regularly and have a proper work ethic, is it that hard to find such guys?
I mean you're pretty much describing Randon before he redebuted

>>71428988
You basically just described Shinri. But he debuted with an incredibly gay model so most people didn't give him a chance.

>>71428100
>medicinal marijuana
Yeah, "medicinal" lmao.

Why was he so offended that Gura wouldn't collab with him anyway? What if she didn't want to

>>71428986
The model was kinda bad but being that butthurt about it is kinda zesty and narcissistic as hell. If I get a scuffed model when I am in holostar, I would just run with it and lean into the joke

>>71429798
Their low IQ zoomer brainrot would rather they watch the fucking teletubby dogs over an actual vtuber with a personality. These trannies are eating literal dogshit and sneering at the people eating steaks.

>>71429798
People keep shilling shinri and you know, I believe it, he's probably alright
but like you said, that model is so fucking gay I just can't
I would only watch a male vtuber if the model was something like pic related
Male vtubers should be funny, not sexy

>>71430222
weak

>>71430222
I feel like, on some level, that's just your insecurities talking. Like why do you care if his model looks gay if you're not attracted to it?
>Male vtubers should be funny, not sexy
But people who watch them appreciate them being sexy? People who are attracted to men, you know? Why shouldn't they be catered to if the straight dudes are catered to with female vtuber designs? Pretty selfish thing to demand

>>71430394
Fag

>>71428988
Good male streamers become normal streamers since vtubing is a debuff for 99% of guys.

>>71429532
>>71430005
>brings up trannies unprompted
>random seething over fuwamoco
What do you call this?

>>71428986
This one I don't understand either. Like his model is as bad as all the other male vtubers I've seen and to be honest only a few female models are actually good, most of the time people pretend the whole thing looks great as long as they have big tits

>>71428100
never forget one of the happiest days ever on this board kek. But I kinda felt a little bad for fagni sisters he did them dirty af

>>71430222
Since you're apparently very distracted by male vtuber chests (i wonder why), shinri got a new shirt toggle that basically covers up his whole chest and abs and he uses it by default now. So no worries, you won't have to be distracted anymore ;)

>>71430469
No u

>>71428988
You don't even watch them. Bettel is literally a 2012-2017 tier let's play channel in vtubing form that would be right at home on the couch with Oneyplays mixed with Jerma mixed with Vinesauce, but no /here/ watches him because his model makes people think he's for women when his content is the very definition of "general audience".

>>71428454
>Nowadays he's just pissed that his fanbase didn't follow him back to his weird fleshstreamer shit
there was a video of him in a con last year trying to grift at anyone who had worn holo merch

>>71430500
>What do you call this?
Pagsistani?

>>71428100
This is literally just your fanfiction. Unicorns aren't sending their best, baka.

>>71429961
It's easy to say this when you're not in the position. Besides he was probably more assmad about song perms and not being allowed to use Holo as a platform for his Pink Guy-lite music productions. He genuinely was trying to push those slopbeats and the DJMag shit but didn't think Holo would say no to him churning out mid-effort slop to hungry paypigs.

Who cares about Kronii? She didn't even know Ahoy or Weather Hackers.

>>71430005
>Fuwamoco antis are homobeggars
Imagine my shock

>>71428986
1.It was simply ugly. Bear in mind that Tempus were originally made to target men (according to Yagoo). They were meant to be brotubers, and Vesper kinda succeeded in that during his first 2-3 months. Because of that, Cover didn't pay a lot of attention to details, but when you analyze Magni's model objectively, his V1 was truly ugly compared to almost every other human(oid) vtuber. They later fixed his face a little bit, but even those simple changes took a long time to be done.
2.He has implicitly expressed regret that Holo fans didn't give a shit about him. It was clear from the very beginning that there was no way Tempus were gonna compete with HoloEN, so they kinda had to get more female fans eventually. I think the fact that Bettel debuted half a year later with a model that a lot of women liked, was the last straw for Magni. Holo fans barely cared about Tempus, and his model was too ugly for women, so his last attempt to gain anything from the shitty situation was to negotiate a better contract, which obviously didn't work out.

I think he was disillusioned to think they'd get the same reception as Hololive or that they had any pull power to negotiate good contracts. However, I do feel pity for every vtuber, who finally gets into their dream corpo beating thousands of other applicants, only to be given a shitty vtuber model. Vesper suffered from a long chin syndrome, IRyS had a shitty model, Flare didn't like her initial design, Gura's face is still using that rombus rigging and so on. Honestly, I'm not trying to defend Magni, but all of those problems could have been avoided if Cover had quality control or at least allowed more talent input.

>>71430707
I gave him a chance when he played LaD: Gaiden but he just didn't click with me at all.

>>71430468
You can choose to ignore men's tastes thats perfectly fine, but dont complain that they dont want to watch. I dont owe stars my time at all if it isnt appealing to me.

>>71430881
I honestly don't see what's so great about Bettel's model. I thought Magni looked fine. Better than Vesper 1.0, not as good as Axel though.

>>71430859
Don't get me wrong, I don't want your roasties anywhere near the Holostars or their ugly incel troon fanbase.

>>71429953
Everyone who doesn't care should be forced into caring about the homos according to the vocal fans

>>71428666
it was really interesting how EN just never again became interesting with the homos.

>>71430881
>2.He has implicitly expressed regret that Holo fans didn't give a shit about him. It was clear from the very beginning that there was no way Tempus were gonna compete with HoloEN, so they kinda had to get more female fans eventually.
OH BOOOHOOO HE HAD A 4VIEW AUDIENCE
WHAT DID SORA HAVE?
WHAT DID GEN1 HAVE?
ETC ETC ETC
PUT YOUR FUCKING NOSE DOWN AND GRIND NIGGER
YOU GOT A SMASHING START TO YOUR CAREER IN HOLOLIVE SO JUST KEEP GRINDING TO WHAT YOU WANT
DONT FUCKING COMPLAIN LIKE A LIMP WRISTED FAGGOT WHEN LITERAL SCHOOLGIRLS GRIND HARDER THAN YOU
FUCKING EMBARRASSMENT OF A MAN AND SOMEONE SHOULD CUT HIS BALLS AND DICK OFF

>>71428661
Here you go.
>>/vt/thread/56831306#p56840361

>>71428986
Nah the model hate was basically just cope. A few of the streams during his hiatus and after his graduation kinda showed and implied the real reason he graduated. He was basically mad and annoyed that he wasnt getting the same amount of attention or money as the holoen girls. He was hoping to make the same amount of money with someone like Pekora or Gura which is why he retardedly invested in his lando projects with a new school studio and hired a couple of extras. There was one stream where he ranted about how he made a mistake and no had to pay for his "student loans" which was codeword for his professor gig and setup

>>71431003
Nobody's complaining. In all honesty I would prefer if there were much less of a "brotuberfan" presence in Holostars because they have reservations against spending money another men so they just don't supa or buy merch. It's negligible

>>71430500
>insecure and overcompensating /pol/tard
>mindbroken sister

>>71428100
>Magni thought that Holostars was just Hololive with dudes and got pissy at the "segregation" and the relative lack of success compared to HoloEN
I refuse to believe anyone would join "holopro" not knowing that the homos are supposed to stay in their lane, even worse coming from someone that used to be a fan of Marine

I can understand girls like Kronii getting into hololive without knowing shit but.....Stars = unpopular/segregated is a must know fact

>>71431161
That anon literally wrote his own fanfiction and you proceeded to have a complete melty, lmao. Kill yourself, tranny.

>>71431014
I don't watch him, but Bettel's model is just really well designed and nice to look at.

>>71431248
Because it's not true lmao. Anyone here can say anything. Faggots like >>71431203 are literally flatout lying lmao

>>71431204
>I would prefer if there were much less of a "brotuberfan" presence in Holostars because they have reservations against spending money another men so they just don't supa or buy merch.
I mean holostars fans in general dont seem to spend that much or support their oshis
Their last concert was such a failure that none of the sponsors nor the organizers wanted to do it again

>>71430500
>Ignoring the rampant AGP phenomenon among Hololive vtuber spaces
You trannies are fooling nobody. None of you will ever be women.

>>71428988
Good job describing the current stars line-up!

>>71431248
They thought they could change that with their "charisma" and "stage presence"
I mean they even probably thought that Vshojo would take them in after their stint in Holostars

>>71431014
>I honestly don't see what's so great about Bettel's model
Take a look a fantasy ikemen otome games and then look at his model

>>71428454
>didn't follow him back to his weird fleshstreamer shit
what the fuck he expected? His audience got used to gameplays and art streams (not mentioning being vtuber). On Lando he is making this gay class and shorts about femboys. Yeah, I know that his gameplays are over there, but rarely and after graduation there weren't any at all.
He is a dumb fuck

>>71428454
Is Magni the Suzaku of EN?

>>71431406
>AGP
What are you even talking about? That phased out for PCI express like 2 decades ago.

>>71431014
>I honestly don't see what's so great about Bettel's model
See anon, you want a model that looks more like Disney's Twisted Wonderland, that's what women like

>>71431406
post tits

>>71431290
The design is kind of all over the place it just looks pretty compared to the other disgusting models.

>>71430500
Are you surprised? It's well know fact at this point that homobeggars are Hololive antis

>>71431391
>I mean holostars fans in general dont seem to spend that much or support their oshis
That's where you're completely wrong. The "average" Holostar fan spends significantly more on their oshi that the average Hololive fan (although this varies from vtuber to vtuber). Bettel, for example, made more in 2023 than all of ID and many JP and EN girls, including those with 2-3 times more viewership than him. And I'm not even counting the money he made from merch and you can be sure it's significantly more than Holos with similar viewerships since women are insane plushies and standee autists. They'll literally buy 20 copies of the same badge or keychain just to deck out their itabags. All of this whilst taking long breaks throughout the year and streaming for an average of 2 hours. If the Stars had a similar audience size to Hololive, they'd be mogging them nonstop

>>71431731
I tried to watch because it was the first male vtuber design I actually found tolerable; low and behold his personality is worse than CDawg (who is already unwatchable imo) and his voice genuinely makes me think of the reddit.

It's still funny to see how the sisters and the looney troons seethe over every time the graduation of these faggots is brought up.

>>71431731
>compared to the other disgusting models
Apart from magni and nowa which ones? I guess Altare's looks kinda funky but everybody else looks great

>>71429437
Don't worry Mori and Kronii still get shit on for that too. The only people that support and watch them are the cucks and the beggars so they fucked themselves too.

>>71431851
>That's where you're completely wrong. The "average" Holostar fan spends significantly more on their oshi that the average Hololive fan
And yet it was the Holostar concerts that got cancelled anon
>If the Stars had a similar audience size to Hololive, they'd be mogging them nonstop
Thats where the problem lies since stars are too boring to actually get any new audience to actually invest in them

Hololivetrannies are perennially insecure about their choices of "vtubers" so they have to shit on streamers with actual personalities to make themselves feel better. Maybe next time try not to watch a streamer based on how hard she makes your dick

>>71431161
You're right about him not having any will to grind, but at the same time you can't expect new hirees to go through the same grindfest like the first 3 HoloJP gens did. We're not in 2019/2020 where vtubers can expect to grow 10x just by doing random game streams. That's only possible if you're a 2view or low 3view. No matter how you look at it, it was impossible for Tempus to reach HoloEN numbers.
Finally, his PL videos used to get hundreds of thousands of views, sometimes even millions. In terms of revenue it was a downgrade for him when you take Cover's cut into consideration. Vesper said he's financially set, so money wasn't and is still not a big deal for him. However, Axel and Altare were literal 1view/low 2views, so being in Holostars is the best thing that's happened to them. Bettel is also making more $ than he did before despite his viewers only increasing ~2-2.5x after joining. Contrary to some anons' opinions, he's unlikely to leave any time soon.

Nigga almost a fucking year after and still talking about the fucking faggots?? for what? (You)s?

>>71429437
>the holo collabs were initiated by the girls
kinda weird since zeta said that axel was the one that approached her for the collabs

Safe to say of the two of them Magni regrets it the most. Vesper seems much happier

>>71432076
Almost everytime someone tries to identify someone as a "streamer with actual personality" they're just apologizing for someone's piece of shit behaviour, like the only way that anyone has an identity in this world is if they mire it in bad traits.

>>71432085
anycolor stock deflection
funny how they can always fall back on this and people take the bait without any effort

>>71432066
>And yet it was the Holostar concerts that got cancelled anon
I don't think you understand how a concert works lol
>stars are too boring to actually get any new audience to actually invest in them
Not really. They're unironically more interesting than Hololive and Niji because they can't rely on simpbux from people who want to fuck them as much and have to actually carry the streams via personality. Like come on bro, Ina is boring af just to give you an example

>>71432076
Sorry but you don't get to talk shit until your boys are winning. Until then fuck off back to garbage heap with the rest of the trash nobody else wants to watch.

I'm just sad that Pako lost a daughter and then a son. He still joins Ina streams often and I love the guy but he better not draw anything for anyone I like, I don't want them to graduate.

His vesper model was killer too, god. What a waste.

>>71432186
This is such a weird and specific thing to say that I can't help but think it has to be projection on some level, lol

>>71432211
Yeah the only people that i can honestly see make these threads are either sisters, a bot thread or homofags doing everything they can to have any form of discussion about them again

>>71432339
or maybe the more plausible explanation is the Hololivetroons that scour this thread looking for any morsel of drama and have been actively hostile against Holostars for years now. No?

>>71432262
You don't think the whoresisters that the boys pander to don't want to choke on their homo dicks? You sisters are just as bad as the vox cocksuckers except that there are less of you. Don't pretend you're watching them for their personalities when they are just average every day men that you guys otherwise wouldn't give the time of day to if they didn't have twink sexyboy models.

>1(uno) Homo bait thread
>Faster than /MANS/
I know homos are boring but man, even Niji not that bad

>>71432262
>They're unironically more interesting than Hololive and Niji
Considering holostars gather less audience than the 2 its more safe to assume that they are more boring and unentertaining than the 2
Even worse when you think that they are almost as old as the other 2

>>71432323
Literally replying to someone's deflection off two guys who we now know for a fact were shit stirrers that grew with dirty methods.

>>71432339
I mean you can tell that some posts in this thread are trying REALLY hard to start shit just for the sake of starting shit, like the fuwamoco anti-posting that's also throwing around the insultes "troon" and "incel" at the same time

>>71432262
>They're unironically more interesting than Hololive and Niji because they can't rely on simpbux from people
>saying this when suntempo fags are on the same level as luxiemfags when it comes to simpbux desperation

>>71428100
Narcissistic faggots who thought they were bigger than the company brand and could totally change it to how they saw fit. Many such cases.

>>71432430
As someone who monitors catalog threads to try to get as many shitposters banned as I can, that's just one of the retards who bites bait in every catalog "unicorn" thread. Same exact language used, same arguments

>>71432403
Holofes i just a few hours i trust my brothers to not think about ex-homo cock just before the fucking live

>>71432413
That the sad truth that holostars fans dont want to accept
They are unironically more boring and unentertaining than anything else on the market

>>71432418
>More people eat Mc Donalds than five star meals which means the former much be objectively better!
No, it just means most people have shit taste. Isekai and haremshit being the top selling JP media for a decade now proved this

>>71432412
Yumes exist for Stars, sure. But they're proportionally much less since most Holostars actively push away fanservice compared to "I'm totally your GF and not married to another man whom i am also cheating on, anon"

>>71430881
>Gura's face is still using that rombus rigging
gura explicitly wants it that way even though cover had offered many times to fix it, she believes that having lazy eyes is part of her 2d model charm, which is actually true
also bettel is a great talent, and i dare say is pretty much the best any corp can possibly get from a man that refuses to be a fleshstreamer

>>71428100
>struggling because he can't take his medicinal marijuana with him to japan and had some kind of psychotic meltdown
lmao what a faggot. Imagine a mid 30's man turning into a crybaby bitch because he can't DUDE WEED

>>71432588
You watch female "vtubers" because their boobs make your dick hard. A hololivefan wouldn't know an entertaining streamer to save their lives lmao

>>71428100
>Magni thought that Holostars was just Hololive with dudes and got pissy at the "segregation" and the relative lack of success compared to HoloEN
he'd have to be a real retard to actually think like that

>>71430881
>Tempus were originally made to target men (according to Yagoo).
He said they were supposed to target both women AND men dude. They were very obviously supposed to appeal to women first and foremost, but to have a more neutral stance that would allow HoloPro's existing mainly male audience to watch them as well. Which is what they did and are continuing to do.

>>71431187
Why are all the post deleted?

>>71432285
>His vesper model was killer too, god. What a waste.
Why did they change it to that other monstrosity btw?

>>71432694
This retarded sister discounting the fact that the more successful Holos have more skills other than playing video games all day and being cute as opposed to the homos who just play games and don't know how to do anything else.

>>71432895
Probably a warosu bug
Use archive.palanq.win

>>71432694
feel free to make our dicks hard then, sis

>>71432694
>entertaining streamer
Doesn't exist, no one can be funny and engaging for four hours straight.
The best you can hope for is someone inoffensive and relatable that you can put on in the background while doing something else. If you want funny, become a clipwatcher.

>>71428100
What does he need medical marijuana for that he'll go crazy if he doesn't have it? Usually they only prescribe that for pain-relief from body disorders like arthritis, but if it's to control his mood he must have some kind of mood or mental disorder. The only other disorder that I can recall that they give medical marijuana for is autism, and he... oh...

>>71428100
WHY ARE THEIR SENPAIS SUCH BITCHES?!?!? FUCK IDOL CULTURE!!

>>71432992
She can't, she's probably a femcel landwhale, thats why she's so pissed at attractive women

>>71431851
>>71432262
Ah, so the retard who keeps peddling this outdated SC argument is an Ina anti and general Holo/Niji anti
Might want to take a look at 2024 SCs if you're going to keep comparing Bettel. Go ahead, post his 2024 SCs if you want to compare.

>>71432962
>homos who just play games and don't know how to do anything else.
Holostars have really good singers and performers too though? Rikka, Astel, Izuru, Rio and now Octavio has joined the ranks too. And the bulk of vtuber content is literally gaming streams anyways instead of karaokes and 3D lives. You don't even watch them.

>>71433255
Bettel has a total of 23 streams this year due to a major health break and travelling for Holoexpo.

Those two really mind broke this board even tho they only collabed with kronii and mori huh?

>>71431248
Kronii was a 'fan' of Suisei too, but if all your info is watching the occasional clip and listening to your friends talk about Hololive, then you're still going in ignorant. Marine doesn't do male collabs and he was delusional thinking he had a chance.

>>71433535
>mind broke
Sure bruh

>>71433343
Knowing how to sing is literally one of the requirements to get into Hololive/Homostars, but that's not enough to keep people interested in your content unless you're an extraordinary singer and even then good singer Holos like Suisei are songwriters too.
I insist most Homos have no skills other than sitting on their scrawny asses playing video games all the time and even when trying to do zatsus most of the time they say boring everyday stuff.

>>71432066
They don't have a lot of fans, but the fans they do have spend a lot.

>>71428100
>Magni thought that Holostars was just Hololive with dudes and got pissy at the "segregation"
c'mon how can anyone be this willfully ignorant to the industry one's entering

>>71428885
Anyone that leaves a big corpo will always have it lingering in their mind, it can't be helped.

>>71430716
must've missed it, any link to it still up? sounds funny as hell

>>71433672
but enough about Fauna

>>71428100
>Kronii gets stuck with a degrading coomerbait model
>She was already having issues with her family which only got worse after she joined Hololive
>Vesper and Magni felt sorry for Kronii because they knew she was depressed
>After their model redesigns they decided to ask Cover to give Kronii a new design
>Vesper's last watchalong is a Korean movie about fighting an oppressive system
>Magni's last message was that a maglord always repays his debts
>They know asking management for something was risky but they do it anyways
>Management was in a horrible mood since they had been fighting with HoloEN and both of them were fired
>Several months later when management calms down they decide to let Kronii have a new design
That would explain their sudden "graduations" and why the other Holostars are understanding of what happened. Also explains why their RMs can only vaguely say they made a sacrifice and would like to give their side of the story.

>>71428988
They're flesh streamers.

Melty homofags are kinda cute

>>71432962
If the Holo girls were actually famous because they're entertaining the most successful ones wouldn't have to pander so hard to unicorns via GFE. The holos who turned away their unicorns wouldn't see a significant drop in numbers and revenue. They would actually stream on the brows of their personality and entertainment factor instead of marketing themselves as your virtual GFs. It's also why you don't see more ugly female fleshstreamers making it big

>>71433769
>Bringing in a Holo to deflect the fact that their homos are useless and can't do anything but play video games all day long

>>71433775
your rrat is basically asking us to believe that vesper and magni are saviorfags to kronii... and why the hell would they do that lol? like seriously dude lmao

>>71428100
not your fanfiction blog jackass

>>71433919
so both fauna and homos are useless then based on your logic, is that your point?
don't get me wrong i too like low hanging fruit like the homos but do better

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Hololive girls bad pls watch holostars

>>71433672
>Knowing how to sing is literally one of the requirements to get into Hololive
Mori is the only "good" singer in the entirety of Myth, though. And I just told you 5 quality singers and performers in Holostars. There's others like Miyabi, Uyu and Temma who are good too, just not quite up there with the top 5. And being a good gamer and conversationalist is an integral streamer skill. Once again, you don't even watch the people you're criticizing

>homo fans out thhemselves as holo antis as soon as they get the slightest pushback
A tale as old as time.

>>71433775
C'mon sis. This is so far into fantasy territory you may as well be writing harry potter fanfic at this point.
Magni wanted fame. He wanted to be as popular and big as the largest female talents in holo and it wasn't going to happen. When it didn't he got mad about it and left.
Vesper had already argued with management, was tardy and couldn't stop smoking weed making him completely unreasonable.
Axel and Altare did so much and covered for them for so long. They sacrificed opportunities for themselves to help Vesper and Magni get their redesigns and then the two of them just dipped not even bothering to do the first year anniversary. I remember how fucking upset Axel was that they refused to do it.
Stop defending the two of them. They may have not been a good fit for hololive and wanted to leave, that's fine. But fucking over your friends instead of just being cordial is faggot behaviour. I'm glad they're gone.

>>71428100
I don’t really blame them, when the rest of the company treats you like voldemort collab partners can be fairly limited. HolostarsEN seems to collab more with small corpos than within their own company besides other Holostars members.

I actually watched them while they are in stars and thought the Professor Lando thing when it started was funny but the way they left stars pissed me off so much i unsubbed from both their stars and pl channels

>>71433775
Nice headcanon bro.. I mean sister

>>71428100
didn't one of those 2 fags admit to sexually harassing one of the girls in a meeting?

>>71433887
Yes because Mori (the second most subscribed Holo for a long time) was totally a GFE vtuber, and funnily enough her numbers started to go down when she started to collab with your boring homos

>>71431158
I'm pretty sure its the other way around. that one fag who watched barbie with bae was acting like it was a huge pain in his ass to do. I think the EN fags would rather just collab with their designated cocksleves of kobo and indies rather than deal with getting told to kill themselves for collabing with kronii

>>71434032
Keep seething that most people don't give a shit about your homos. Not even gonna bother to correct you because I know you're already to far gone.

>>71434051
I guess they should have stopped trying to le epic pwn the fans and people would have been nicer to them. Oh noooo the consequences of their own actions, how awful.

>>71429437
literally all of stars should be terminated

>>71433466
Then compare to the girls who are also on break or traveling, lord knows there are enough of them since it's Holofes prep season. Even Kiara only has 27 streams so far this year.

>>71434370
Lol as if that would’ve made a difference, people hated them before, people even hate the more innocuous homos just for existing.

>>71434250
You're literally proving my point lmao. She started losing viewers once she collabed with males and alienated any unicorns she had even if she wasn't actively courting them via GFE. Why did she lose viewers? Shouldn't they have stuck around after the collabs were over if they watched her because she was actually entertaining and not because they pretended she was their gf?

>>71434352
>I have zero valid rebuttals
Thanks, I accept your concession.

>>71434530
GFE currently just seems to mean that they don’t collab with males and are nice to their audience, I don’t really get it

>>71429953
That's what pissed him off, when he realized it isn't really unicorns that's the problem and the other girls really just weren't interested.

>>71434530
NTA but that guys a retard who blames everything on homos. Mori's viewership drop has nothing to do with homos, in fact it was happening before Tempus even existed. But even while her CCV has dropped her music career is reaching a new peak with opportunities.

>>71434530
Mori had collabs with males before (the TT fags) and even some of the homosJP and there were never any problems, it was when these two boring fags showed up that her numbers started to decline, what does that tell you?

>>71434742
>they don’t collab with males
males don't want competition from other males in getting female attention
>are nice to their audience
"men are easy, just be nice to them"
it's not hard sis, try being a trad female for once

>>71434818
>two boring fags
Weren’t they the most popular members of their gen at the time? I remember Vesper breaking into 4view which is fairly rare for homos, someone must’ve liked them.

>>71433775
2022 was Kronii's worst year (2023 year in review stream), the boys absolutely did not help.

>random ass mori seethe

>>71430500
>>brings up trannies unprompted
That's literally this entire board, new friend.

>>71428100
>Magni thought that Holostars was just Hololive with dudes and got pissy at the "segregation" and the relative lack of success compared to HoloEN
No one knows why he left. His rm never said and we'll never know. He did say that he sees a lot of speculation on why he(and Vesper) left and most of the people aren't even close. So it's likely that money is not the reason.
>ropes in his close friend Vesper, who is disillusioned because he had no interest in the idol aspect of the job, also struggling because he can't take his medicinal marijuana with him to japan and had some kind of psychotic meltdown
Vesper is a grown ass man making his own decisions
>he demands exorbitant terms on his next contract,
You, nor anyone else outside those directly involved know this.
>negotiations stall past the renewal date, meaning they can't stream until they sign a new contract
Only correct thing you've said this entire post
>they eventually decide to renew and graduate without a farewell stream
Well yeah, they can't have a farewell/graduation stream because they were no longer under contract with Cover

>>71432127
axel organizes more idolshit which is fine for people who like that kind of stuff. He should keep doing that.

>>71434818
Literally revising history, lmao. What's the excuse for Kronii and Bae? This board has argued for unicorn power for 4 years now and how only holos who explicitly denied any male collabs or did GFE were the most successful whilst those who did the opposite suffered hits to their noombers. And they were right. You watch boring females because you want to fuck them not because they're entertaining streamers. Your denial is pathetic honestly.

>>71434860
>males don't want competition from other males
You’re competing with thousands of other people in chat
>men are easy, just be nice to them
This is like the easiest bar to climb over even for irl women, why is this GFE?

>another "unicorns don't exist!1!!1" covert beggar thread
ogey sisters, shouldn't you be more worried about that drop though?

>>71434510
Lmao okay redditxister

>>71429798

YOU say this guy leeching EN girls and collabing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2SxKoj0-4&t=0s

>>71435098
>pic
I still believe she changed the art last minute to get that scene in. It's just too fucking perfect to be a coincidence.

>>71435177
I hope axel falls into a vat of acid

Ceres Fauna collab lets go

>>71432588
This is the ultimate truth yeah. The first gen had every single chance to succeed, in their first months they were holding very good numbers with some like Vesper almost competing with the weaker Holos. Problem is the dudes were just boring, unmotivated and untalented.
Vesper was hailed as the ultimate brotuber but his first months were utterly filled with zatsus that quickly devolved into glorified SC readings. Magni was the only one attempting some creative streams and was getting good numbers for them but quickly gave up and just started spamming Sonic. The other two are just FPS spambots. Axel was supposed to be their Vsinger, promising a new song each month but gave up after a couple of them.
You have to consider that the male streamer market is extremely oversaturated and you'll find a niche for pretty much anything, hell your favorite musician/actor/athlete probably has a podcast or is a fucking streamer. The female meta is filled with Twitch whores waving their tits in a pool, so of course there is more room for girls bringing decent content.
And even then the vast majority of Holo girls are far more talented than the homoshits ever were.

>>71435233
>You’re competing with thousands of other people in chat
there's a reason males hate glorifying chat celebs/akasupa whales and that females only call chat as "chat" or "fanbase name"
>This is like the easiest bar to climb over even for irl women, why is this GFE?
amazing, isn't it? that men are such simple creatures at the end of the day, and yet it's women that make relationships complicated
reminder that divorces are majority initiated by women

>>71430881
>didn't give a shit about him
maybe try not to collab with a open racist twitch streamer next time

>>71431014
Axel looks like he's balding every time he turns, and his "smile" makes him look like he's in pain, but that applies to most of them. Most males just have hideous 0/10 models.

>>71435260
Since you seem to be an expert on the subject, why don't you tell the class how many times he has collabed with the girls?

>>71429437
>Tempus 3
It's called Armis you swine.

>competing with weakest Holo = success for Homos
also random reminder that Aruran fucking shat on Koyori 24h stream

FUCK THE QUITTERS TOTAL HOMO DEATH

>>71435393
>paragraphs of cope
Mori was the most talented musician in Myth and she was the *worst* rapper I've ever heard. Decent singer though. Even the most mid Holostar is infinitely more interesting than any female "vtuber" which is why those roasties HAVE to court the unitroons because they absolutely cannot carry a stream otherwise

>>71435198
>>71432588

>>71434530
Why would unicorns watch somebody wasn't doing cdgct or gfe pandering, what happened was Covid restriction were lifted and most people went back to living their daily lives.

>>71435582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuY6BKIY004
Riku-sama don't look!!

>>71435525
Pizza guy said that on stream?

>I'll fucking one v one you chuds

>>71435632
So much cope, lmao. I'm sorry your female "vtubers" have the average egirl personality of a wet sock and utterly no talent except being moe blobs for balding incels. Next time, show up to a Holostar stream if you want to watch someone actually interesting and with a penchant for entertainment. Bye now

>>71435735
i wonder sometimes how yagoo handles his celebrity ceo status

>>71432694
NTA and this applies to the majority of vtuber fans but you cant just say that and make its not the same for female vtuber fans watching males. Bettel is called vtuber jerma that tells you womens taste right there.

>>71428988
>Imagine losing such a chance in your life
What chance? As a male streamer, Hololive is not where you go if you want creativity or visibility. You're thrown into a situation where being second or third rate in the company's eyes would be an improvement. Personally I'd probably just shoot myself if I wanted to do interesting shit but had to play Generic Anime Prettyboy for a small fujo audience and was then segregated in such a way that it actively hindered my ability to grow even that audience. Especially when you're effectively banned from working with the actual popular talent because delusional psychopaths who think the fake anime girl talking to tens of thousands of others is their girlfriend will have a melty.

If you're a guy who wants to choob then the only decent path would just be to make a male focused company and work on trying to build something from the ground up since all of the major and even semi-major companies are going to be focused on female talent.

>>71435878
>Ban
We all know the girls ghosted them since they’re such shitter

>>71429798
>But he debuted with an incredibly gay model
This is every male vtuber for a major company. They all have these ugly, overdesigned monstrosities that are meant to appeal to fujos from like 15 years ago and nobody else. The designs are so retarded and ugly that they're probably a big reason why nobody ever wants to watch them.

>>71430765
>Besides he was probably more assmad about song perms and not being allowed to use Holo as a platform for his Pink Guy-lite music productions.
Every right to be too considering Mori from day 1 has been able to use Hololive as a platform for her own shitty music.

>>71435828
>Literally without any argument in favour of the homos
I accept your concession

>>71435989
>This is every male vtuber for a major company. They all have these ugly, overdesigned monstrosities
but that's the main point of being a vtuber though, to have fashions that would never work irl
god forbid companies let peoiple realize that men can get away with a tshirt and blue jeans just fine, men might as well be just fleshstreamers

Why won't the views transfer to their channel bros? You guys said they are infinitely more interesting than the girls

>>71435989
100% agree with you there. I try to give everyone, male or female, a chance no matter what their model looks like. But I can't blame people for being so utterly repulsed that they just walk away and stick to content they already know they will enjoy.

>>71435828
Ya bro, talking dicks and cum and non-binary pals is truly peak entertainment. How could u not have seen it before.

>>71436175
>to have fashions that would never work irl
like Magni face lmao

He's so trash not even his friend ironlung gave him a home in vshojo.

>>71436175
No it's not. That's like saying video games can't have ugly overdesigned characters. The only reason to be a vtuber is to chase after girls.

>>71435878
>As a male streamer, Hololive is not where you go if you want creativity or visibility
I’ll give you creativity but not necessarily visibility, Niji would be the place to go as a male chuuba if they didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, but currently the stars aren’t that much smaller anymore, and don’t have nearly as much bad press surrounding them. Regardless of quality, male vtubers are a debuff and will likely always be fighting an uphill battle unless they garner an entirely new audience, Luxiem got the closest to that but that audience wasn’t exactly high quality.

>>71435833
he manages

>>71430850
no one gives a shit about your reddit dragon onlyfans whore

I know this will blow your minds but “segregation” had nothing to do with them leaving. They weren’t trying to dick down your pretend girlfriends. Magni was a grifter who thought joining Holostars would make him a millionaire and checked out around six months in. Vesper was a menhera who couldn’t handle the workload or spotlight and fled back to the comfort of his smaller fandom.

>>71436282
tbf, magni's model was indeed really bad lol
doesn't excuse him to be such a faggot to bail so soon though
>>71436314
ultimately being a male vtuber is kind of a losing proposition, only fit for men with a crippling fear of being exposed to the public and/or they're just really fucking ugly

>>71436561
Ugly men can attract male audiences. Homos need to play pretend to have any worth.

>>71428100
I haven't looked into either of them since they left but let me take a guess at what they've done after bailing
>Magni pivots to twitch, tries to use his connections to become yet another OTV/Ironmouse orbiter. Most likely planning a subathon
>Vesper has probably become a react streamer who gets stoned while playing classic wow

>>71435592
The only coping troon ITT is you lmao. Ina is a fucking pro artist, Mori might be cringe but she did her grind as an underground musician and is pretty skilled at animating stuff, Ame is a white trash poorfag with zero education and still managed to be the creatividad of her branch and setup a bunch of cool collabs for her genmates. All your homos can do is play shitpex and cry on stream like a bunch of bitches.

>>71435878
>had to play Generic Anime Prettyboy for a small fujo audience
>segregated in such a way that it actively hindered my ability to grow even that audience
I can't tell if this is unicorn larp or beggar larp

>>71436477
So they're both weak delusional faggots, that's worse than them wanting to get some holopussy, at least I would have respected them a bit if they had tried to fuck their oshis in HL.

Tick tock, unicucks. Cover is in the process of driving you out. Hopefully you didn’t waste all of your money on cartoon women who don’t know you exist and can afford some therapy.

>>71428100
He is just a bad streamer

We love Tempagpag /here/

>>71436645
>Ugly men can attract male audiences
virtually every popular male streamer out there is "ok" in looks (yes even asmon), meaning you wouldn't call them out for being a fucking blight if you saw them in public
when i say ugly, i mean leprosy tier lol
having said that you're right that there are some men who like to pretend being an anime character so male vtubing would work for them... rare to find those in the wild though

>>71437092
>.Cover is in the process of driving you out
EN has literally never been more unicorn friendly than it is right now

>>71436738
>most likely planning a subathon
He actually wanted to do one last month relating to sonic

>>71433815
/stars/ and /mans/ don't even like these two. They're divisive at best. The only people who still consistently defend Magni and Vesper are the homobeggar audience that hates hololive, not actual starsfags.

>>71437418
The talents sure like them

>>71437454
>The talents sure like them
it's in their contract to like them
even rushia to this day isn't shat on publicly by the girls

>>71431851
>Bettel
>average Holostar fan
lol
lmao

>>71437619
So it’s in the contract to like them even outside if holostars ok

I dunno what the weird obsessive behavior from mori and kronii was all about when it came to these two, to the point where they needed to have collabs on a monthly basis, but at least it showed they both suck at judging a person's character. These guys were fucking dipshits on purpose several times, they were always nothing but trouble.

>>71434206
>Chair seasoning
Homo sisters probably know the story, but I don’t remember if the guy was actually talking about something pre-stars.

>>71433946
Magni and Vesper already got their model redesigns and wanted to help a friend that was depressed. They likely knew that Kronii was having family issues and that she really wanted a reasonable design. HoloEN were having issues with management since they were stressed out until that December meeting.

>>71432043
You unicorns are legit mentally ill. Should i remind you that ame also collabed with them?

>>71438239
>girl farting
it was gura

>>71438239
Basically made a joke pre-stars when someone farted while in a work meeting. Tried to make light of it and remove the awkward silence by saying "ah, chair seasoning" and everyone understandably got mad at him for being autistic.
Dramashitters will insist he did it while he was in stars and that it was directed at Kronii though.

>>71431851
>Bettel, for example, made more in 2023...
His fans superchat bombed his birthday so they could brag about how much money they make then they stopped.
Bettel doesn't earn that much SC anymore

>>71437968
yeah dumbass that's why RMs don't shit on cover publicly
>>71438298
/wg/ is down the hall and to the left

>>71438703
Magni rm literally shit on cover publicly

>>71438755
vague shit don't mean shit, come back with a clip about him calling out cover outright by name

>>71430881

> 2.He has implicitly expressed regret that Holo fans didn't give a shit about him. It was clear from the very beginning that there was no way Tempus were gonna compete with HoloEN, so they kinda had to get more female fans eventually. I think the fact that Bettel debuted half a year later with a model that a lot of women liked, was the last straw for Magni. Holo fans barely cared about Tempus, and his model was too ugly for women, so his last attempt to gain anything from the shitty situation was to negotiate a better contract, which obviously didn't work out.

I can't tell how much of this is /vt/ spin since I haven't kept up with him after he left but if so, what an idiot.
Holo fans actually did like Tempus. He was pulling in 1-2k viewers at times which is on the lower end but still fairly competitive. Even older JP members like Choco and RBC sometimes dip to those numbers.

desu I don't think catering to women was the play here. I'd be willing to bet that even Bettel still has like 85-90% male viewers. Dude is just a funny guy. I think there's a significant portion of male HoloLive fans who tuned into Tempus because they were good talents and HoloEN had low output at the time with going to Japan and whatnot.

>>71438633
it's worth noting that bettel's barely streamed through the first quarter of 2024 because Tummy Hort

>>71432413
Well they're not streaming because of japan.
If only we had a boy who actually streamed video games. We still don't have a JRPG chad.

>>71439238
and yet somehow bettel is still the strongest homo and the sisters shitting on gura for not streaming willfully turn a blind eye to that

Magni made more money on his alt
Magni was not willing to grind to build up an audience
Holostars had "gold" with him but was not willing to pay to retain him
Vesper loves man ass and left with him to fuck his ass.

>>71439237
>Holo fans actually did like Tempus.
lmao
>I'd be willing to bet that even Bettel still has like 85-90% male viewers.
LMAO

>>71439867
>Magni made more money on his alt
then why is he so salty since leaving?
he should be happy he got out and just put all this behind him, orc sure did

>>71436175
It doesn't need to be something that works IRL it needs to be a design that isn't shit. The difference between male vtuber designs and female vtuber designs is night and day. Female designs are ridiculous but in a way that's still aesthetically pleasing and good to look at. Anyone can look at something like Gura's or Ame's or Pekora's or Pippa's design and like it because the appeal of the deisgns is fairly universal and I'd say that extends to most female vtubers. Male vtuber designs have no wide appeal because their designs are intended solely to appeal to fujos who played otome games in the early 2010s.

>>71431534
Suzaku at least become a somewhat successful flesh streamer. Magni is looking totally washed.

>>71440452
compare suisei's latest outfit to that of one of the new niji guy outfit (3skm), then reconsider your response

>>71439867
"gold"? He does the equivalent of video essays and that audience clearly doesnt translate to stream viewers.

>>71438031
Being a dipshit on purpose was pretty much Mori's trademark at the height of her popularity. Until it finally backfired the day the "condom money" superchat happened.
Now she can't get away with it anymore because her solo streams have some of the worst ccv in EN.

>>71428100
>>ropes in his close friend
You don't know anything about this topic.

>>71429437
I almost tried 2 but red faggot fucked up with his troon shit, tried 3 but raspy voice guy fucked up with his imaginary character rights, NEVER AGAIN

>>71440038
>then why is he so salty since leaving?
Because he saw Selen take a massive shit on niji and has this weird idea that if he had done the same he could have gained more clout.

>>71443516
Kek, nice rrat. Reminds me how he's friends with 39IQ

>>71443516
Boy that would've backfired if he had tried something similar. Selen's case is a very special one and she still gets shit from some corpo bootlickers who think she was somehow in the wrong, imagine if notMagni had tried to shit on Cover after all their efforts to promote Tempus (and him specifically) in the early days. It would've got ugly.

>>71440038
Cause he knew that he defeated himself. He's easily the most talented Holo en, but he just could not ignore the self destruct button.

>>71429437
>poonhound
>trans-enabler
>tranny
>mexican
>4 kinds of cancerous filipino each worse than the last
The 'magni clique' of him, vesper, bettel and then the big gay (?) guyare the only good ones. ARMIS 2 will be even worse.

>>71428454
The funny thing is I think he was making his model work. That's what professional mascot workers do, they make the model work regardless if they think it's cool or lame.

>>71446047
He did do a good job but let's be honest, everyone hated his model. Even tempus fans hated it, but they stuck with him because they liked him.
He just couldn't hang in there. Though his biggest mistake was actually his COVID arc because he was doing everything possible to avoid admitting he had COVID and got caught in the lie.

>>71446312
People "hated" it, but it was more of a love-hate than hate-hate. Even pre-debut he got tons of memes because of it. His model became an affectionate joke rather than something people outright despised.

>>71429210
Ok sister, post tits and maybe try not to establish a nijigger style gen in Hololive next and you will actually be accepted

>>71428100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD0Y2CyMbP4
watch the documentary

>>71447091
Seething

>>71443001
Stay mad pedo

>>71447091
What is dev is doing again?
Oh yeah, nothing.

>>71447346
Cmon show your milkbags

>>71447312
Kill yourself parrot immigrant.

>>71447466
apart from the faggot supporting (((the cause)))?

>>71428100
renew!

>>71447570
I don't know how much overlap parrot fags have with emzee enjoyers

>>71428988
>Where are the strong brotubers that don't chase after Holos, don't have annoying personalities and voices, are entertaining , stream a lot and regularly and have a proper work ethic, is it that hard to find such guys?
For once, NijiEN nailed it.

>>71428100
>these two literally turned out to be what Holofans said EN males would be, a poison
Well, good thing they're both failures

>>71428988
If you want all of that then you are unironically better off watching a 0-1 view png tuber. Best thing about that is you can groom.

>>71448131
All they did was expose how sensitive holofans are. They're so fucking afraid of those two because MALE.

When you think Holo fans can't get more pathetic, they find a way to surprise you.

>>71448290
Ironic, considering they're weren't even brave enough to go out with a graduation stream.
Still reeling from your loss I see

>holostars EN debuts
>people are worried they'll collab with girls
>Mori is the first to mention them, asking people not to ship them with her for they are "her sons"
>girls like kobo and bae also tag along, with kobo calling regis "her big brother"
>eventually mori and kronii hang out with vesper and magni, with kronii and vesper hanging out more.
>kronii gets the most shit out of any of the girls who mentioned or collabed with them
>despite all the shitflinging from her fans, kronii takes a bullet for the guys and says "she'll collab with who she wants to" with even an official statement from the company to back her up
>vesper making holostar or hololive history as being the first holostar to be publicly suspended
>later, vesper and magni take a month "hiatus"
>next thing you know, magni and vesper have graduated without saying goodbye to their fans and no explanation is ever given

Sister we succeeded!!

>>71431014
Magni himself explained it in a stream and even bitched about his own on the same stream(i think. He did basically say he was at a complete disadvantage ) Bettel straight up had the "tumbler sexy man"/interesting ikemen design on top of his "boyfailure" almost deadpan but witty character. No idea why he looks like a menhera woman now

>>71430598
I FELT BAD FOR FUCKING YAGOO
THE MAN LITERALLY DID SHIT TON FOR THEM AND THEN THEY PULLED THAT KIND OF SHIT IS WHAT PISS ME OFF

>>71448554
>go in HARDER
unironically that's what sisters really need, a good old fashioned dicking

>>71446312
The hate he received for this was unjustified and moronic. The man wants to actually stream and his own fanbase gave him shit for weeks just for not taking a break. It's extra retarded now since we know the entirety of the covid thing was extremely over exaggerated. No one really gives a shit about it anymore

>>71448631
>I FELT BAD FOR FUCKING YAGOO
That's probably a flex somewhere /here/

>>71448042
>literally streamed through the entire Selen termination fiasco dropping on his birthday and went and played through the entire souls series in a marathon stream
>stream Dragon's Dogma before he left for Japan and is going to finish the game before the 2nd one is out and will likely stream that
Honestly, it's kinda sad for Yagoo he fumbled the ball on the male EN branch and didn't build enough of a culture and reputation for the male branch to get people like him to apply on top of lagging behind NijiEN.

>>71448531
>despite all the shitflinging from her fans, kronii takes a bullet for the guys and says "she'll collab with who she wants to" with even an official statement from the company to back her up
You left out a LOT of important context here. Not sure if that's intentional or just out of ignorance >>41710038

>>71449486
don't worry niji fucked up so much to more than make up for yagoo's mistake lol

>>71430222
Guys like anime dudes too they just need to make the male chuubas more shonen anime-esque instead of otome game-esque, you would not believe the number of men who would sooner die than stop riding this man's cock

>>71449945
>the shitshow that came from her collabing with boys happened because she wanted to...collab with boys
>there's more context, okay?!
this is a good wall of text but I feel like you were just waiting to post it in threads like these

>>71449302
They didn't want him to stream cause it's not fun to watch someone stream while sick. He was rightfully getting shit on for going to twitch con which is basically just begging to get covid. I think he got caught only because a fuck ton of vtubers and some notable people got covid from twitch con.
I was told that altare was also streaming while sick, but he didn't do anything to hide that he's sick.
Most of the complaints I've been hearing these days is that people are pissed at stars en for ditching their fanbase for holofest and not streaming. MANS is basically in cope mode and they shut down anyone who complains about no streams or talks bad about idol content.

>>71450290
Are you joking? Do you think men would want to watch goku do his legend of zelda lets play part 59? Its just not the content people are looking for. Vtubing is for cute girls doing cute things.

>>71428454
But he's doing pretty well for himself now

>>71451109
I would like to watch someone play video games for once.

>>71450073
The males are doing mostly fine at Niji despite the mass exodus of Chinese fujos, who never affected bros like Vanta. it's really the females at this point that are dragging things down inside the company. If everyone has to go, most of the males wouldn't be at fault and I have no doubt Yagoo would be trying to pick some of them up if he could buy out their contracts or etc.

>>71450788
Nah I'm not a unicorn. I personally didn't give a fuck if she collabed with men or not. In fact, I thought her therapy session with Vesper was one of her very best streams. I just have that post saved for context when I see it brought up. It's not good to rewrite history by oversimplifying things. The backlash wasn't because she did what she wanted, it's because she outright betrayed a portion of her fanbase by pretending to be understanding and then shitting on their trust the very next day. I think unicorns are silly people, but it's still immoral to twist the knife on people like that. She should have just collabed with who she wanted while never making that member stream.

These two are a piece of art.
Just like Banana taped to the wall.
People mad about them, angry even.
But people never stop talking about them.
Kino sasuga male dominace

>>71435050
Are you sure that Magni and Vesper didn't help Kronii? Management did fire them but even Japanese managers likely felt a little guilty over what happened and HoloEN did get some news during that December meeting which made them optimistic for 2024. Was curious that IRyS and Kronii both randomly decided to switch themes for their their birthday lives.

>>71451203
I have no doubts that Yagoo might pick up 2-3 ex-nijis for Stars at least. A few are close friends with the current talents, which is already a good in for them. If we're looking at the ones who don't have any major yabs (Vanta, Doppio, Alban, etc.) the latter two are close with Altare and Flayon. I think Alban could be the most likely, with how he and Altare negotiated for the NijiHolo collabs. Ike ??? might have a small chance, but its squandered by rm yabs and his involvement in the black stream.

>>71450290
>shounen content
what you really want is a return back to kizuna ai videos, before mito forever changed vtubing to streaming

>>71428100
out of curiosity where did lando cry about this? is this a new thing or just the usual shit on tempus thread?

>>71428988
>Imagine losing such a chance
What chance?
The chance to get thousands of schizo unicorns to hate you immediately for the sin of being male?
The chance to regularly underperform no matter what you do?

>>71428454
>he's just pissed that his fanbase didn't follow him back to his weird fleshstreamer shit
not only that but he scared away the fans who did followed him for overlapping his friend's 3D debuts

>>71454301
>for the sin of being male?
>still doesn't understand the differences of the sexes
a sister like you who willingly slurps DEI will never understand the irony of your post

>>71431158
That was just Mori and Kronii being fake bitches who only cared about their image, especially Mori for pushing the dad bit so hard at the start and then pretending they don't exist.
Star fans hate those two.

>>71430881
>so they kinda had to get more female fans eventually
That's what Holostars has always done as a branch and what should have been from the start, yeah the male fans were cool at first until they backstabbed them at the first Holo collab, at that moment management just gave up on them and gave Vanguard more female-appealing models.

>>71428988
>don't chase after Holos
None of the current members chase them, Altare told collab beggars to fuck off multiple streams and Hakka liked a comment that advocated aginst holofans in his chat.

>>71454554
How did anything in my post have anything to do with being a sister or "slurping DEI?"

>>71455389
magni willfully applied but at the same time was woefully ignorant of the industry he's entering already tells anyone with a brain enough that his grifting was doomed to fail
and it's funny that it's sisters that go all girlboss and hate on males but when an industry finally appears that give femals a massive advantage they all go muh males kek

>>71430881
Honestly they were getting more views when they didn't fujo pander. As soon as the fujo pandering went into overdrive along with the two or 3 holopro collabs it fucking killed their momentum. Tempus 2: Electric boogaloo was the final nail in the coffin, both diluting the market and going all in on the female pandering. Fucking autistic as fuck sperging out about collabs with the usual suspects but them faggots spoke and they made it clear, tanking the branch to 3 view territory.

Some of the new guys like shinri and bettel are alright but flayon is just a gay little pronoun faggot and Ruze is an unironic cuck talking about faggot shit like how inherently evil orcs are le bad and we need generic ass we wuz orcs n sheit autism in fantasy stories. Dino retard isn't so bad either and so far that actual flaming faggot is one of the more tolerable ones too.

>>71455763
I still don't see how any of this schizo rambling is related to what I said

I know Magni is in Japan right now but is he going to the Fes and witness the glory that he could have achieved (I know it's not much because he's a homo but still Cover treats them fairly) if he weren't such a quitter?

>>71456111
just accept that holostars will always be a concept fated to have lower numbers (but still profitable) and everything's jelly

>>71456119
You mean the expo? He was never going to have fes glory because he's a dude.

>>71454554
>Sister
Why are you conceding?

>>71455203
altare happily exists as kobo's accessory and there was that one fag who liked some homobeggar art of him and biboo, I'm not even going to bring up rextard, they will never get the hint

>>71455984
This, they were getting way better numbers before the collabs. The collabs filter out people (males) who were willing to give them a chance and females who were in it for the only boys club. They started to isolate themselves again since last year and their numbers seem to recover a bit.

>>71457063
Collab filter me not because I'm a subhuman cuck rain like the rest of the fanbase but because I think solo streams are the best form of content

>is in severe debt
>twitch channel is a failure
>lost out on 3D and multiple sponsorship deals
I wonder what Magni is thining now

>>71457829
what the fuck happened i thought he was doing well before holo

>>71457306
When you look at all of the top streamers in the world, everyone is a solo streamer with barely any collabs. Collabs only work when both streamer and audience/fanbase mesh well together.

>>71456253
OK? I never said anything to the contrary

>>71454029
On his current twitch channel
Dunno if the vod is still up

>>71458171
you literally just said he was "underperforming"
i'd say magni was at the top, then he threw it away kek

>>71457829
>>is in severe debt
qrd?

>>71458994
>just accept that holostars will always be a concept fated to have lower numbers
>noooo don't say they're underperforming!!!

dont forget who really got them fired

>>71459508
fuck everyone else in this thread, this is the only one i believe.

>>71459140
Supposedly has a bunch of med school debt (he quit med school too, dude loves to quit) and he spent a lot of money upgrading his roommate content recording setup so he's a bit peeved that his old Magni fans didn't all flock to his new (old) venture and support it with all the money they used to give him as a vtuber.

>>71459508
they fired themselves, these attempts at giving kiara any relevance are more pathetic than magni

>>71433032
It's addiction. As a former pothead I can tell you first and foremost that not having weed around, will indeed make you moody, and you'll end up lashing out because your brain became depedant of it's effects.

>>71459395
>conveniently omits me saying homos are still profitable despite lower numbers
you're as dumb as the pic you posted sis

>>71460520
I never challenged their profitability. Learn to read.

>>71460873
>I never challenged their profitability.
>>71454301
>The chance to regularly underperform no matter what you do?
lmao try again

>Most likely to betray Tempus
right out the gate, the lore indicates they were at odds with the leader of tempus, they were the villainous side of the team, magni singled out.
He didn't even like that label being put on him at the start, and even so, he did well being the heel, until he didn't want that.
Various streams led to very unsettling developments.
Games they have played, or didn't have the chance to play fell apart.
Imposter syndrome? Magni did have a mantra of which, if you feel you cannot do it, just quit.
Both Magni and Vesper were put into situations where they tried to learn something new, like singing lessons, Vesper tried to learn how to draw better, Both vesper and magni tried building a Pc, which was then memed to no ends with how they messed that up. The sad Pokemon Scarlet and Violet Quad soul link nuzlocke that only regret was felt.
The professor had a stream where his rl friends celebrated a birthday with him, and he was much happier like that than recent streams in the stars while he was inactive.

Are they better now in their current state? They don't have as many eyes, but their streams are mostly of their choice.
If they overcame their issues and maintained their places, they definitely could have gotten bigger. They would have dropped some of their ideal choices to sacrifice for what they could have gained.
It was their choice. Worlds apart, culture clash, They weren't in the right place in their minds.
Tragic, but a lesson. How much would one be willing to put up with to be better than they were? They had reached their limit long before their model upgrades, they just wanted to see if things could get better after.
It probably only would have created further flames here for every new smear attempt, but it seems the smears would always follow those one way or another.

>>71461043
I didn't say anything about profits, dumbass.

>>71461753
then why say they're underperforming? lol

>>71462350
https://www.youtube.com/@AxelSyrios/streams
Axel is the one with the highest sub count
Look at the viewer retention
I also looked at Jurard's, who has 2.5x fewer subs, but gets around the same views.
What this says is that Stars has no real growth, they're just passing around the same audience.

Stars might have a dedicated fanbase keeping them in the money, but they're stagnant.

>>71462991
>Stars might have a dedicated fanbase keeping them in the money, but they're stagnant.
they're stagnant because they've reached the limit of what sisters can support, ultimately they are just a lot more lonely men than women in the world, fancy that
i'd be surprised if we see any more debuts after armis for a long long time
but bettel is doing better now than magni ever did and if he's not leaving then that's good enough
just accept what you have and don't bother us chud unicorns

>>71430598
oh i wish I saw all this real time

wasn't one other fag graduation baiting and vague posting on his alt

>>71463216
>they've reached the limit
Within Hololive, maybe
It's not secret how big the Nijimales got, and there are a number of male indies with bigger audiences than several of these Stars. Even JP doesn't seem to be doing much better despite having been around so much longer.

There is a wider market for them. They just aren't grabbing it, for some reason.

>>71464012
luxiem rising and crashing with the chinese audience just shows how unreliable that market is
filthy ccv botters no better than kpop stans, and disloyal too, with how they vanished just like that
at least with holo, their numbers may be low, but they are consistent
now if you're asking me what i think will actually make holostars incline as an IP with wide reach, well it's definitely not to copy what the hologirls are doing, but rather
>>71453493

the holostars brand is tainted forever by the faggots who tried to leech off hololive, they will never achieve success

>>71462991
isnt altare the one with the highest subcount?