/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70958009
It is not the Final Yab.

>>70958009
Doki hasn't brought it up a single time before or since the black screen bullshit. She's done.
Nijisanji though is probably quaking in their boots trying to convince investors not to jump ship in 7 days.
Either way both of my oshis are out of there so I couldn't give a fuck whether they sink or swim as long as they leave her alone.

Was it really a war? Doki kept saying she just wanted to move on but niggersanji kept being niggers until some dipshit finally realized all they have to do is shut the fuck up and then Doki would stop responding

Elira hasn't streamed since the black screen.
She hasn't been mentioned once by any livers.
The only sign of life was the incredibly generic Pokemon tweet which means nothing since multiple instances of Nijiskinwalking have been confirmed.
She didn't even make a surprise comeback in Millie's stream, despite all of them being in Japan.
Elira is either dead or being held hostage.

GUYS
What if Millie is actually taking over for Elira????

>>70958259
...Can she speak Japanese?

>>70958009
Not the final yab. But certainly a crippling blow to NijisanjiEN and its reputation across the vtuber sphere. This whole thing was very visible, it caused a big uproar, and the handling of the PR side, was beyond amateurish.

Finally Nijisanji being so damn cheap with its employees / staff roster, came back to haunt them in a major way. People would have gotten fired at the company I work at, if they had tried to damage control the way they have. Tone-deaf as can be.

>>70958259
The EN branch is fucked, so letting an actual double-digit IQ retard like Millie take over as manager probably isn't going to do any more damage than has already been done.

>>70958285
No. She did have a JP learning stream though

>>70958304
However, given that she writes the unfortunate jokes herself, she has the bigger potential to self report harder than my exes combined. This isn't even funny

This is the silent lawyers war.
Rest assured, there are bloods being shed behind the scene.

It's probably the most final yab we will get unless someone starts killing or raping organs. Anycolor is literally too big to fall, but this drama has completely flushed their reputation in the west down the gutter, the drama is already spreading to Japan and I can't imagine Riku surviving this year.

>>70958165
>Elira is either dead or being held hostage.
Neither of these are the case because millie and enna are both in fine spirits besides general disappointment at the branch crashing and burning and taking their income stream with it.
There are a number of things elira might be facing right now
>legally being fucked because of her conduct
>suspended pending termination
>plain old in hiding now her reputation is destroyed
Could even be all three of those things. We know the general contract now so we know just how much they can destroy her if they want to and she's double fucked since she's living in japan now.
She's fine physically though whatever things are behind the scenes. If she isn't then it'd mean there's been a massive falling out of the clique.

>>70958259
If they were going to put another woman at the top it would be Petra

>>70958009
Nijisanji EN is now torn between attempting to save their EN branch or let it fold. Regardless of stocks, their reputation has been absolutely demolished in the West. Being associated with them is already a negative for many, and they will never be able to scrub Selen off their records. The only true way to memoryhole Selen would be to wipe everything about her off the internet. But the minute the internet sees the company scrub the promotional artworks, the channel, and everything else, it would only worsen. So they're stuck with a scar they can't hide: their most subbed female Liver in EN is a dead account with no content on it. The next best big hitter they have is a generic singer-zatsu streamer. I don't care if Enna's voice is blessed by unicorn semen: singing-chatting Vtubers are a dime a dozen. Even if investors buy Tazumi's bullshit, EN will be forced to cater to non-Western audiences anyway like SEA and perhaps CN. They've earned the animosity of many creators in the Western sphere with this stunt.

Niji is only cooking whatever they can to stumble forward. It wouldn't even surprise me at this point if Doki hasn't done much behind the scenes precisely due to lawyers ghosting her again. Considering Anycolor's track record, it's not off the table.

Doki just has to sit there and game while the remainder of EN struggles to reach half her CCV. She already dropped to 8k CCV in her last two collabs and that's still leagues above all the Niji EN girls.

>>70958009
Deep breath before the plunge, anon.
A good story is well paced.

>>70959229
I'm convinced that they sent petra up against the hololive preshow to show the investors that they need to dissolve the branch.
You could either watch this lineup... or petra? Which one do you think everyone is going to choose?

>>70959631
>Risu singing
Oh she's absolutely FUCKED

>>70959030
IF it was Petra then I'd be surprised

>>70958259
Meant to ask, why you were blacklisted?

>>70958009
www.youtube.com/watch?v=da3sovRr-qU&t=851s
Enna quote below at 14:11 in the video
>Selen I will definitely not- You know what? Like... living with Selen or like, just dying is basically the same thing. So there's really no like- There's no point.
The war is far from over.

>>70959631
This is a fucking Death Sentence. I'm not gonna Sugarcoat this.

>>70958009
A home cooked meal called "I don't want to be sued."

>Selen goes radio silent for over a month
>no comment from Niji
>gets skinwalked on Xer once to convince people she's still alive
>turns out she tried to an hero
>Elira goes radio silent for over a month
>no comment from Niji
>gets skinwalked on Xer once to convince people she's still alive
>???

Does Japan do wellness checks? They probably should...

>>70959631
Nijifans are more inclined to watch Petra and keeping those fans seems more critical than gaining new fans for Nijisanji right now.

>>70962316
...Isn't Petra basically a JP? I'd be extremely surprised if there's not an extreme overlap in fanbases. Not to mention, their announcement stream only had a 1.3k ccv and barely any buzz. I'll wish her the best for her personal career but I think she's fucked. I absolutely expected millie's return stream collab at peak SEA hours to mog doki's twitchtuber collab, and it didn't even make half the same amount of viewers or money... With this happening directly after the investor's meeting, I can't see anything good coming from this. I'll wish her well but I won't watch it myself until it's reuploaded after her graduation.

>>70958880
>because millie and enna are both in fine spirits
They might be kept in the dark just like us.

People no longer show interest to this retarded bullshit. Now go witness Petra's introduction to the world of 3D on March 15th.

>>70962555
buy an ad

>>70962555
I would but Risu is singing, so no shot

>>70962594
You first

>>70962495
Not sure I don't watch Nijisanji. Just wanted to point out why I think it might not be a bad business decision even if it will result in overall lower numbers for Petra's 3D debut.

>>70962555
...Against Risu, Gura, Marine, Korone, Reine, and Kanata? Are you insane? She might be the first corporate 3view 3d debut

>>70958450
>Anycolor is literally too big to fall
Kodak, Blockbuster, Sears ring any bells? Anycolor is closer to these companies than you think. They were market leaders by quite some distance, sat around squandering their lead, while competitors popped up in earnest at first then it was a tidal wave of competitors, then failed to invest in new tech or diversify operations, then crippled by inept management who ran around like headless chickens while lining their pockets, went on a slow decline, constantly losing market share and eventually disappeared.
They might survive on the strength of JP alone for the meantime, but for how long? Considering everyone knows the JP market is saturated.

>>70962648
holofes doesn't need any more advertisement

>>70962662
for the record, I'm not slighting petra or anything, but this is just horrid, horrid planning on Nijisanji's part to the point of feeling like actual malice towards her. There's absolutely no reason for them to have even similar starting times. It's pre-recorded. So why the fuck are they trying to put it up against holofes?

>>70962709
Buy an ad

>>70962767
Holoboard

>>70958009
After the black screen message kurosanji tried to let it go but you retards dramawhore and the grifter lawyer keeps fanning the flame of your imaginary wars.

>>70962495
wait it was less than 4k ccv? I thought that only sisters were still watching niji was a hyperbole

>>70962662
Cope. Now please for her 3D debut.

>>70962779
Buy an ad...

>>70962696
>Kodak, Blockbuster, Sears

Blockbuster got killed by the existence of streaming services. Kodak was killed by the existence of cameras on phones. Sears was killed by Amazon. Please share your thoughts on what new age invention would be able to kill a juggernaut of a talent agency

>>70962805
3.6k peak for a few min and 3.1k average. I only paid attention because some millie shitposter was saying it'd mog her in a doki thread.

>>70962862
Holoboard.

>>70962881
Buy an ad..

>>70962880
GRIM

>>70962905
Blue Board.

>>70962876
>Juggernaut of a talent agency
It's a quickie pump and dump scheme ran by a notorious shit head who only cares about short term profits, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he only got into the vtubing business cause it was a fad, and he is very much preparing his golden parachute with the latest stock rule change

>>70959631
Hydro bomb vs coughing baby

>>70962949
Buy an ad....

>>70962528
Those three are extremely close and have been since way before niji. They'll have long since been in contact with her through personal comms if elira is suspended from her niji accounts.
If enna and millie don't seem concerned there's no reason to assume elira is in any major trouble like an heroing or going missing-missing.
If the gurrat is even half true there's a much simpler explanation for her absence. She has a crapload of work in management to do right now.

>>70962696
Shut the fuck up

>>70962805
Sisters were in a threading laughing about Doki's CCV in her collab topping out at 9k.
This had the highest active subcount member, very popular and relatively untainted EN members, a clique member and 1 Finana. And they got absolutely smoked. If it was a fight the ref would've stopped it after 15 mins.

>>70962981
real talk buy an ad for the penguin, she'll need all the help she can get.

>>70963016
Honestly that's the closest thing to a reasonable explanation I've seen yet. I guess if enna and millie aren't freaking out, she's alive.

>>70958880
Millie made an Elira hype post a few days ago. Maybe she was trying to test the waters, maybe she was trying to life Elira's spirits.
>massive falling out of the clique
It doesn't have to be a falling out, it might simply typical Nijisanji. You can look at how everyone treated Zaion and Selen, when Niji decided they wanted to blacklist them. In the scenario where Anycolor is planning on throwing Elira to the wolves, I assume the same fate is awaiting her as well.

>>70963106
Watch her beat Holofes. Go fuck yourself and buy an ad.

>>70963056
aww sister thinks Anycolor is the chosen one. Bitch please. Go take a basic economics class instead of posting /here/.

>>70962876
The ever growing power of the indie scene? Talent agencies need to start offering actual reasons to join now and niji is still in the mcm era of running things.

>>70963175
that's not gonna work Riku but alright... poor Petra...

>>70963084

>>70958880
>enna are both in fine spirits
Oh yeah i noticed how bad she was seething yesterday /here/

>>70963223
>he thinks it's her
You dumbfucks really bite the "I" bait.

>>70963352
Hi Enna/Shannon how are your cp photos?

>>70958009
Funniest thing is that this hasn't been about Selen at all after she told she wanted to move on (and she did). It was just what started this period of Nijisanji self-destruction yabocalypse. They have a million more skeletons in their closet and they are now being revealed to the public. That's why it would mean absolutely nothing even if we lived in a bizarro world where Selen was in the wrong. This war isn't about Selen vs clique, it's about Nijisanji vs the world. Sisters refuse to accept this, because they are retards ofc, but also because they have no other angles to play.

>>70963084
5 members and 1 finana made 11 Finanas
5M+1F=11F
5M=10F
1M=2F
Every other female nijien besides Finana is worth a whole 2 Finanas!

>>70963222
>dubs
checked and confirmed
2viewsanji isreal

>>70963222
How much is that in Finanas?

>>70963780
Now that's some quality posting.

>LE NIJI JUGGERNAUT
KEK
2434's the retard gift that keeps on giving.

>>70958009
>What are they cooking?
Themselves.
>>70869537
This thread is a veritable self-report gold mine.

You motherfuckers are so easy to bait lol. Fucking losers. This board is a joke. Now buy an ad, you assholes lmao.

>>70964060

>>70960821
Quoting so it may not get overlooked.

>>70964144
Tbf, would you like to live with Selen?

Keep talking niggas. I'm taking screenshots lol.

>>70964335
I wouldn't equal living with Selen to death, that's for sure.

Nigga there's an archive for a reason
Bum as retard don't even know what that is

>>70963084
sisters will only watch men fujobaiting

>>70959030
Petra is literally incapable of being on top. I mean that in every definition of the word

>>70964335
Only if she promised not to use a strap-on. I'll gladly take her blowing off BPD steam on me in her femdom sesh's in a heartbeat but my butthole can barely handle my affinity for hot sauce as it is.

>>70964372
>>70964436
Mmmm this Anon would make a perfect cotton fieldworker

>>70964060
>>70964119
The fact she posts /here/ so often that you can instantly recognize her writing style from the posts she makes defending herself in a vacuum from anything else is hilarious. It's incredibly sad that if it wasn't for that she would pass for an anon much more readily than any of the NDF. She clearly has been lurking for far longer than any of her drones have.

>>70959631
Personally neither.

>>70965306
At least she's slightly less obvious than Finana was.
But it's way funnier that she missed the collab because of it, actually giving credence to it actually being her

>>70958009
>esl
>prime time in jakarta
Yup, this thread was made by an indog

>>70965306
I think /here/ posting is funny and should be encouraged
enna love

>>70965400
The Streisand Effect is a cruel, unforgiving mistress. But I will be damned if the Clique isn't one of her biggest simps.
>>70917573

>>70965553
+1

>>70963084
>>70963780
why tf is the Finana standard unit so fucking hilarious

>>70965836
A sleep-deprived, malding Enna with that "leave them to me" and that "nah I'd win" energy against /vt/ is cute as fuck.

>>70965958
Because it shows how hard she self-sabotaged.

>>70963084
>>70963780
>3300
It's easier just to say 3 kiloFinanas. Plus one Finana I guess.

>>70966086
One Kilo equals 1000
One Finana equals 300
1000 × 300 = 300000
One KiloFinana would be 300000, and not 3000.

>>70958009
>zoomer nigger faggot doesn't understand how legal matters are handled, especially by nips
hey, OP, shut the fuck up fag

>>70966086
That isn’t a kilofinana (1000 Finanas) it is a decafinana+1 (11 Finanas)

>>70966249
Has she complained yet about it? I swear I saw her once yelling about how it's rude to use her as a unit of measurement. but I also might've been sleep deprived and made it up.

>>70966195
>>70966249
Hey, I'm just going off what the textbook says

>>70966298
oh fuck i'm retarded

>>70966298
This anon can't do math lmao

>>70966086
You are not very good with math Anon-kun.
Finana = 300
KiloFinana (1000 Finana) = 300 000

>3300 = 11 Finanas

>>70966298
Anon... it says right there that 1 KiloFinana equals 300000 CCV.

>>70966298
>read the textbook
>kilofinana is 300k
Anon your reps...

>>70966292
You might be referring to this post:
>>/vt/thread/70228994#p70230178

>>70966642
Can we start a Liver Safari rentry for the spottings?

>>70966691
For Finana there would be like at least 15 links.

>>70958009
Calm before the storm. Waiting for the shareholder meeting.
If nothing happen on the following few days after that, we can more or less confidently say that the Selen termination/GURRAT chapter is over and things are back to """normal""".

>>70966642
yeah that's the one. Jesus christ that was funny. The saviorfag in me wants to feel sorry for her, but I can't start watching someone until they at least TRY to make some improvements.

>>70966843
Yep

>>70959229
>or let it fold.
Imagine the outcome if the EN branch folds and their followers rage. (pic related)

>>70966843
>>70966691
Just type "you fucks" or "you fags" in warosu and start sifting.

>>70966984
I just pity how easily influenced she is.
As said by the leaker: Follower. Naive. Gullible. Bereft of conviction. Inconsistent.

The War is still on-going, but it's Nijisanji against the fans. Doki already won her arc.

>>70966292
>>70966642
here's another one
>>/vt/thread/70663189#p70664437

>>70966984
>"Finana was asking for tips with regard to diversifying her content. She appeared unhappy. It's likely she is going to try new things going forward."
From https://rentry.org/nijileaker

>>70963084
Holy shit! Doki had Froot and Cy Yu debuff and still managed to make 9k. But this is Enna's birthday tier disappointment numbers. The fucking piece of paper keeps mogging down Nijis.

>>70967291
Yeah, I was there for that, but then we had the "Letters to Finana" and the thread about how elira could apologize where she showed up... then immediately after she came back and started shitting on doki and avoiding all responsibility for her declining viewerbase again. Couldn't even last a week before lashing out again and blaming others.

>>70967240
That reminds me, she never answered who were the other 3 she mentioned. The 3 talking on the black screen stream? Or other 3 people?

>>70967345
i think she refers to Enna, Milie and Elira

>>70967344
On that note, is anyone who updates the Rentry here right now? I think I have spotted an instance of the leaker once again some hours ago.

>>70967240
yeah... this... this post made me give up on her. >>70664902
It seems too "informed" to be a sister. It was right after she had two full days of hopeposting for her.

>>70967409
What did he say?

>>70967409
Are you the one with the llamas?

>>70967444
It's funny to think a liver was actually seething over Selen so much she had to come here to complain.

>>70958073
Anon. Niji cares only about their final stock price in 7 days, not after. Riku is basically guaranteed to bail, take the money and start something else. You don't fail to invest in a company, amass so much liquidity and stunt with your stocks if you're planning on sticking around for the longer haul.

Niji has been in a tailspin for a while now. The more clever few are already jumping (though I hesitate to call Kuro particularly clever) and only the desperate rats are clinging to the delusion that things will improve.

>>70967445
I'm not 100% sure that it's the leaker or a larper, but he basically confirmed an anon's theory.
>>/vt/thread/70869537#p70952071

>>70967444
I think I'm going to do this next week. Argue with people online pretending to be Elira. I need to copy her post style first. I will have retards believe it.

>>70967486
What

>>70967503
It's insane because seriously less than a week before she made a thread asking about how you'd apologize to Dokibird "if you were Elira" and was talking about how it didn't matter if she wanted to apologize because Doki wouldn't respond and people would still hate her anyways. ...Which completely misses the point of even doing an apology.

>>70966984
Don't worry, she already has VAllure as s fallback option if the branch goes down.

>>70958405
Doubt it. Not enough money in it. The whole reason Niji did public smears instead of actual legal threats is because there IS no actual legal threat, but that issue is mutual. Best we can hope for is people leaking more info to dramafags but dramafags don't care about sinking Niji and they prefer them to be on life support and keep yabbing for them to exploit.

>>70967345
Could be the three stooges or the three main clique members, it's too vague
>>70967444
nice trips
This post, along with the suspected Enna self report from earlier ( >>70963223 ) track with what the leaker said:
>Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".

>"Ewwww, Millie? No, thanks. I only pretended to like her fat ass because she's Elira's dog. But now that she's not around..."

>>70967444
If we assume it is her, it's completely plausible clique fed her that narrative of "Selen told us cos she has the most subs she should be in power and then she made Millie cry" ofc stupid Fish would turncoat on that millisecond to go back to shitting VT.

>>70967611
>>Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".
But I do this all the time for the fun of it on /vt/ because it makes autistic retards tick.

>>70967444
Not sure why, but reading this in Finana's voice as if she is on the verge of tears made me hard. As a Dragoon I am somewhat concerned by how much imagining certain members of the Clique being bitches arouses me.

>>70967631
I'm still hoping that this happens: >>/vt/thread/69294874#p69298575

>>70967706
Big Sis is watching, do not disappoint her.

>>70966010
With all the other drama I missed what happened with Finana. QRD?

>>70967830
Ryuguard con orgies

Doki is top 1 EN indie. She's smart enough to move forward instead of doubling down on destroying Niji.

>>70967830
Nothing recent. She just showed up in a few threads and was really, really obvious, talking about things a sister wouldn't normally know, and even giving us some new info, specifically that Doki and Sayu were approached and rebuffed her/Niji when they tried to talk, which matches up with the leaker's statement that Niji tried to reach out to Doki to have a joint statement where "oh both sides made mistakes" to try to save their face. The rrat I want to believe is that after a while, they got tired of Doki not responding to the drama and actually keeping her nose clean, so they tried to poke Sayu for a similar deal, maybe even to attack Doki with it with how malicious they've been. They ended up pissing her off with even the thought of that, so she leaked her silencing contract. (She specifically did not leak the first one, just the second.)

>>70967562
I knew it, I said it in one of those threads of "what would x do to do x", I knew one of those could be made by some manager or the talents themselves looking for ideas and anons should not reply to them because of it

>>70967830
It happened long before the drama, she drove away most of her audience by doing things like giving preferential treatment to a group of fans who weren't even her top paypigs to the point of sharing a secret Discord server with them.

>>70967532
Seriously, the post is from March 5th. It only regurgitated public information too.

This rrat is way too insane and a reach. But I definitely have seen a big influx of Sayu hate ever since the contract dropped. The sisters really, really want to pit her fanbase against Doki, it reeks of desperation even.

>>70967768
kek
Enna hate is so fun I'm starting to become endeared to her without having watched any of her streams.

>>70967945
>leaker's statement that Niji tried to reach out to Doki to have a joint statement where "oh both sides made mistakes" to try to save their face.
Is that why sisters are constantly whining about Dokibird not openly addressing 'dragoons harassing Niji'? Kind of makes sense now.

>>70967968
She was also a fucking snake with Sayu, and a faggot about traps.

>>70967981
Yeah, they raided /HAHA/, shitting up the thread and trying to get dragoons to hate Sayu

>>70967981
Same problem as >>70967975, it's post-factum.
>document drops
>anon wants (You)s
>uses public information to pretend he's an insider
>anon gets (You)s

>>70966984
Girls are cutest when they are almost retarded.
Finana’s problem is that she isn’t ALMOST retarded.

>>70968102
>She was also a fucking snake with Sayu
All I needed to know, thanks.

Do you think Finana ever reached out for Legal Mindset?

>>70967513 (me)
The theory being that the members of NijiEN didn't know that the termination notice would mention Selen's claims of bullying, which made them enter in a panic and attempt to contact her to do a video where both sides admitted their fault. As Selen didn't answer, the members decided to release the black stream to avoid damage from any statement that she could do about them.

>>70968131
There's been some whining about how Sayu was farming the drama for pity points, or how she was jealous of Dokibird's success, all sorts of weirdly negative nonsense considering she finally gets vindicated after a year of effective exile.

>>70968133
Either way, Sisters are really pissed at Sayu for making a big happening happen right before the shareholder meeting. I hope people start subbing to her.

>>70968192
||And even if she was salty about Doki's success she has every right to be. Doki had the world in her favor. Sayu had to fight alone and against the current.||
I feel bad for her.

>>70968232
Every single fucking time. I can just hit ctrl+s and I keep messing it up.

>>70968142
Would prefer to keep that drifter the fuck away from this as he's a manipulative cunt. There's actual proper lawyers that commented on the issue and it still looks just as bad, but without the clown theatrics and nonsense that just undermines their believability.
>Lmao let me review an unverified template that isn't even adjusted for a specific person so we can't even tell what country it's meant to apply to :^) totally legit lawyering here btw :^)
At least Sayu posting something legitimately heinous saved it from being a complete shitshow.

ITT: BUY AN AD
AND WATCH PETRA DETHRONED HOLONIGGERS

>>70968199
>I hope people start subbing to her.
She pretty much doubled her YT subs count in the span of one month, and that's not even her main platform.
She's going to be fine.

>>70968304
>At least Sayu posting something legitimately heinous saved it from being a complete shitshow.
Said something which explicitly confirmed the template you're implying is completely fake?

>>70968232
I can totally understand some jealousy yeah, it's perfectly normal to feel jealous when others are (even seemingly) better off than you, it's what you do with that jealousy that can be a problem but so far Sayu has done nothing to complain about and I don't imagine she would.

>>70968018
Seriously, she should just go all in on her lurker cred instead of the lame half hearted attempt (heh) Millie did.

Do you think Sayu knows about this? Doki should get her to collab with her and release the stream at the same time as Petra's 3D reveal. The mogging would be legendary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSDlgKMboY

>>70968142
Knowing Finana, she may view him as ''that chud grifter lawyer who feeds on drama'', so he wouldn't have any credibility in her eyes, meaning that she probably hasn't reached out for him.

>>70968481
Knowing Finana, she may view him as another cock to milk for validation.
ftfy*

>>70968356
Not sure why you think that's true mate. I'm not sure you know what the word 'explicit' even means.

I'm also not suggesting the template is fake, just that it's pointless to talk about because an actual contract would be heavily adjusted based on the country it's meant to apply to. The final contract that would be based on this template would be incomparable if it was sent to Sweden versus the US or something. I point out that it's unverified because it shows LM isn't acting as a lawyer here, as verifying the authenticity of evidence is the very first step you'd take in any legal context.

>>70968461
>sister clip
Hello sister

>>70968544
Sorry, anon. I'm too lazy to look for another one, but the point stands.

>70968461
>this retard again
buy an ad faggot
no one wants to watch your failed drama clip channel, leech. maybe you should reupload mengen content again and get your channel taken down for good

>>70958165
Whatever it is, Ike had no issue streaming and Vox was in a collab as well.

Elira is the only one odd out now, I think?
If I had to guess, they probably are looking how to make her return without getting blasted b folks. People still comment on her video even if it has died down. That dumb stream was their worst mistake.

>>70968461
Petra's 3D reveal is already scheduled at the same time as a concert with Gura, Risu, Marine, and Kanata. She doesn't need any more help getting mogged.

>>70967532
It's easy to larp as Enna or even Finana. But to larp as Elira as something I don't think anyone could have pulled off. If you were Elira you wouldn't post here too. You'd just lurk all the time. Same goes with Selen. I know you have always been here, Selen, or should I say, Dokibird.

>>70958165
>She hasn't been mentioned once
Millie did mention her some days ago on Twitter, the only one to do so.

>>70968706
I really hope one day we'll actually find out how that all even happened. Three people were dumb enough to do it, but management was also involved just going by all the retweets and while we can assume they lied about anything apparently legal was also involved.

How did it go through so many different departments/people and nobody realised how stupid this was?

Honestly its a little weird that they are asking so many of the livers to go to japan.

>>70968199
Sisterd are always pissed at something. They are the most miserable creatures on this planet. They have no happiness.
If a sack of rice would fall over in China, they would be mad.

>>70968747
It's probably actually the smartest thing they could do, have as many fans be distracted as possible while slowly trying to return to normal.

Note that the smartest thing they could do is still not actually any good, but it's not like they have any options at this point, they're up to their neck in their own shit, and they jumped in themselves.

>>70968816
Not weird at all.
Their contract is far more enforcable in Japan.
Its probably:
>Get over here and make this shit contract even more shitty for or you are fired, defamed and have to pay us money.

>>70968526
>because an actual contract would be heavily adjusted based on the country it's meant to apply to
That is a pretty shit argument, dyrbi?
First of all, such a template is pretty useless, if you are hiring a local lawyer, it's much more efficient to just get him to draft a contract from a scratch rather than adjusting a shit translation.
Then, there's an issue of LM getting hands on such a template, it would be an internal document that is accessible only to a few.
> verifying the authenticity of evidence
I mean he said he did verify it's most likely a true one from a proper source, what do you want, a name?
>>70968816
If they work in Japan, they are under Japanese laws which are widely known to be very pro-corpo

>>70968801
A documentary about all of this 20-30 years from now would be interesting
>I Was A Nijisanji Liver

>>70968816
Riku has obviously decided the EN branch is too toxic as a brand to be saved now, so they've all been given an ultimatum to fold into NijiJP like ID and KR did, or enter the graduation queue.

>>70968816
Blackbox stream 2: Electric Boogaloo soon in your screen! Brought to you by Anykara inc!

>>70968912
They can't actually demand money anon, that's not how contracts work, unless there are actual damages or if there is actual money spent on them that they would have to return (training programs do this all the time) then a contract isn't going to magically let a company get you to pay them money, they'd also have to go to court to prove damages and there's not a chance in hell a company does this unless we're talking tens of thousands in damages.

They can do the worst things even from abroad and even without a contract, which is withholding payment. Why do you think they do stealth suspensions anon? Just gives them an extra month of income before termination in the worst case, or drives the talents desperate as they will not have received pay in at least two months (probably more) And there's little the talent can do about this as suing over that shit requires them to go to a JP court and incur far more expenses than the pay would turn out to be.

>>70968879
I believe the rrat that they're scheduling Petra next to Holofes and Rosemi near Suisei's birthday to show the investors that no one cares about EN anymore so they can shut it down. That, or they're both graduating soon, so they scheduled the 3D badly on purpose out of malice.

>>70969028
Will they interview the rrat authors?

>>70968706
It's really hard to ban all those words in her chat. Takes a while.
>>70968801
We'll never know, because everyone involved is so lawyered up, any word that isn't anonymous or from someone who doesn't matter will be immediately sued to death for defamation

>>70968706
>>70968801
>>70968816
Simple answer. Selen made someone mad because of her "bully tendencies". Likely mocking their uselessness in being mangement. Someone that isn't a liver so you don't have to worry about your reputation's tained. They are smart. They set up everything. Let out the termination documents and every other things after it to make it sound like some livers were in charge. In reality, it wasn't true. Since the livers are in the lowest tier in the company, they all have to follow or meet the same fate much worse than Zaion and Selen.

The livers loved their jobs. Well, at least the three livers that made the black screen video. So they wouldn't be dumb enough to kill their own career unless something worse they feared would happen to them if they didn't comply. The reason would not be something as stupid as just trying to smear someone that just attempted suicide twice knowing the success rate was 0.

>>70968706
I'm surprised that video is still up. Even if it'll bring them some bad rep from taking it down, at least she can stream without it at her channel.

>>70969002
>First of all, such a template is pretty useless, if you are hiring a local lawyer, it's much more efficient to just get him to draft a contract from a scratch rather than adjusting a shit translation.
Counterpoint: It's Nijisanji. And most of all it's important to them that the contract holds up in JP court first and foremost. The purpose of a contract like this is to protect the employer from liability. (and, in many ways, threaten an employee with termination, not a lawsuit)
>Then, there's an issue of LM getting hands on such a template, it would be an internal document that is accessible only to a few.
We can only speculate as to how he got his hands on such a document, it's pointless to guess and it's LM's job to establish a credible source.
>I mean he said he did verify it's most likely a true one from a proper source, what do you want, a name?
A source in this context isn't 'the person who handed over the document' but rather 'the facts that verify the authenticity of the document'. We know he doesn't actually have that, which is why he sperged out about the lack of signatures in advance instead of addressing the elephant in the room.

>>70969115
Probably only the gurrat because of how much that one took off. Even then, that was the work of dozens of anons over several threads so it'd be a herculean task to find them

>>70969091
Isn't 3d kind of rare in Niji in the first place? Seems odd that they would waste resources on it if they're looking to fold.

>>70969207
Honestly i do like selens streams, But she does come off as a bitch. Im sure she angered the wrong people. Like in her last apex tournament stream, one of the only players wanted to switch roles with her. But she just played dumb and forced her to keep her role.
Im sure most would think this is nothing, but when you are forced to work with someone like this all the time and its a frequent thing, then im sure it gets old fast.
also
i don't doubt selen "bullied" and then they bullied back. She does come off as someone who can dish it but not take it.

>>70969308
It was already made, they're just pumping it out now because the drama is dying down and they that tiny tiny bit of good coverage

>>70969308
That's because they're not folding.

>>70969271
I'm sure someone will come up with a book titled "The GURRAT: How I Solved The Biggest VTuber Drama Puzzle On 4Chan" or something.

>>70969308
I think they already had the 3D models for a long time in storage for the cancelled AR Live, so they just had to pull them out. Feel free to correct me on this, it's been a while since an anon said this.

>>70959229
>The next best big hitter they have is a generic singer-zatsu streamer
Except it isn’t that simple because her reputation is trash too.

>>70969308
Not the first time they've given extra stuff to Niji organs right before they left. JP side had a few.

>>70969354
I can imagine if Petra and Rosemi applied for graduation while their 3d was mostly done they'd rush them out in hope of recouping some of the costs, though that makes the timing a bit odd.
>>70969357
They'd be kind of stupid not to, but its Niji.

>>70969308
NTA, the most likely situation is that the models were halfway done and now that they are going under they bothered to finish them. Momo from NijiJP didn't receive her 3D until the day of her graduation, and Pomu didn't get hers fixed until some days before she retired.

>>70969446
I can totally buy the idea that Niji rushes these projects right before graduation as some kind of 'proof' that they're totally investing in their talents guise :^)

It's actually clever PR too, since it's the time where talents get the most attention and showing then that you were working on things while obviously idling the entire time prior is going to be rather effective.

>>70969540
It serves to hype their graduations even more, which means that more money floods to them.
Also to add fuel to the rrat: >>70888467

>>70969230
That video is still up because it wasn't her idea. Because the real problem didn't even show their face. People throwing tomatoes on meat shields thinking they are doing a hero work.

>>70968526
>actual contract would be heavily adjusted based on the country it's meant to apply to
This is Niji anon. They're using minimum wage hire and machine translation to translate a contract, you think they would bother to adjust it?

>>70969348
Even if they hated her. It would not come to that point unless they were forced to.

>>70969308
I believe the 3Ds were already done. They've just been dragging their feet on it but this shitshow forced them to shove it out for PR points

>>70969611
Yeah, I think Elira is way smarter than that. Heck, I think ANYONE would want to take it down as soon as backlash hit. It really makes you wonder what management even meant by leaving it up.

>>70969268
> Counterpoint: It's Nijisanji. And most of all it's important to them that the contract holds up in JP court first and foremost
I completely agree, and that's why it's more likely that this is the first draft that can be negotiated over rather than template.
>We can only speculate as to how he got his hands on such a document, it's pointless to guess
Is it tho, considering how much more likely it's basic contract leaked by someone from a myriad of people who have seen those rather than an internal document leaked by an insider from a legal department.
>We know he doesn't actually have that
Fair enough, but I still don't see how you expect someone is such (theoretical) position to do that.

>>70969674
It might, Especially when the company makes you fight these people for time slots and company events.

>>70969741
Learn English.

>>70969348
Considering most people she worked with had talked positively of her its probably just her behaviour rubbing off wrongly.
Note that selen was one of the most dedicated vtuber/streamer in nijien compared to the rest , hence the 800k subs. Combine that with the glorious niji en management there's bound to be resentment and frustration. I would turn into a bitch too.

>>70969429
Fold for what? For you?

We won't know if its over until March 14.
But if nothing really happens, NijiEN will continue as usual with a damaged reputation.
Only newcomers will be clueless on what happened and those are the ones who will be watching together with the ones that know what happened anand don't give a shit.
However, if they ever yab again, everything will resurface with unexpected results.

>>70969268
>A source in this context isn't 'the person who handed over the document' but rather 'the facts that verify the authenticity of the document'. We know he doesn't actually have that, which is why he sperged out about the lack of signatures in advance instead of addressing the elephant in the room.
Tell me, how can he verify it without reveal the whistleblower?

>>70969835
I'm confident Riku is dipping 100%.

This is not the first time he jumps out of a sinking boat. And he's already stated vtubers were a short time investmen or something like that.

>>70969835
Authoritative disposition.

>>70969766
That's pretty good English.
You might need a better understanding.
my last post was worse.

>>70969396
>How I
1984

It was a collective effort at shitposting with I and dozens of other anons included. It somehow got traction because you faggots broke it out of containment

>>70969906

>>70969918

>>70968526
Where in the western world does a clause that says
>btw we can change the contract automatically anytime we like
>if you don't object in 14 days you legally automatically approve
flies? Hell does that even work in japan?

>>70969975
>It was a collective effort at shitposting
You've missed the irony.

>>70969774
You're right, I think her success had a lot to do with it. If she was just a bitch, who cares. But if you're a bitch taking up a lot of company project when the their is limited space than its easy to see her quickly becoming a target.

>>70969975
i'm pretty sure that's the joke anon
one fag would try to take all the credit for fame

>>70969906
Riku leaving is best case scenario for Nji community.
However i doubt he can leave so easily, he would have to leave japan on fear of his life if he leaves nijisanji.
The safest bet, IMO, is wait for everything to calm down, and continue as usual.
Closing NijiEN branch isn't an option here, it would be pretty stupid and make investors mad which is probably riku 1# priority.

>>70969835
>We won't know if its over until March 14.
Riku isn't going to tell investors the ship is sinking and all hope is lost at this point. I expect the floodgates to open in late March.
If they're planning on axing the branch they'll need to cram as many graduations as they can before June, so they can justify the decision to axe the branch to investors.

>>70969774
Nobody knows who was the real management that causes all this, who denied Selen's MV? Who made the termination documents? Who wrote the black video script? And that truth likely will never come out. Nobody bothered to look into it. The rrat doesn't hold enough water, saying "they were stupid" just doesn't help. One thing can happen once, and we can think it was the same group of people. But if it happened fourth, something was wrong. Especially the ID branch shouldn't have dissolved but it did anyways. Using the same methods.

>>70970115

>>70969918

>>70963352
The actual giveaway is that nobody besides enna would consider her a "popular vtuber"

>>70970044
NijiEN "management" are lazy fucks who are so useless that livers have to go get game perms themselves, so a very ambitious person (like Selen) would really get in their hair.

>>70969268
>it's important to them that the contract holds up in JP court first and foremost.
In LM latest stream he contacted with some anonymous JP lawyers, and a lot of this contract don't hold up in JP court.

>>70970115
>Riku isn't going to tell investors the ship is sinking and all hope is lost at this point.
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material1/225561/00.pdf

>>70970185
The use of "innocent" too lmao
Even if she does not have anything yo do with the current situation, she is only innocent inside her head

>>70969724
>I completely agree, and that's why it's more likely that this is the first draft that can be negotiated over rather than template.
Possibly, but it still would have to be heavily adjusted to have any meaning. My biggest issue with taking this 'contract' seriously is that it requires me to believe that the people who signed this are all collectively retarded, and while I can believe that to be the case for some, there's plenty of examples that make that hard to believe.
>Is it tho, considering how much more likely it's basic contract leaked by someone from a myriad of people who have seen those rather than an internal document leaked by an insider from a legal department.
There are ways, but I don't wish to speculate too hard. A template like this could have entered the record on one of their court cases. Regardless there have been multiple people who have commented on contracts and such with Nijisanji and the things here have never once come up, which to me implies this particular document was never actually used as an actual contract.

>>70970233
The contract doesn't hold up in court... IF Nijisanji members are legally considered employees of Anycolor.

Contractors are not protected by the Labor Standards Act or Labor Contracts Act. This is the sad truth.

>>70969791
Try again ESL-kun. Wrong interpretation of the term.

>>70970155
I am confused on how you want me to interpret that.
>>70970240
I didn't say he wasn't going to lie through his teeth.

>>70969835
>Only newcomers will be clueless on what happened
Not with all the videos on Youtube they won't. If Niji so much as sneezes it's back to public consciousness.
The Indian, the Baldie and AR Jesus have collectively marked Niji as assholes among zoomers, which is a death sentence in the West. Only the most tribalfag SEAsters will be able to suppress this within their EN speaking communities.

>>70970311
They should be considered Employees with all those limitations that are exclusive to employees.

>>70970240
i still can't believe this is real

>>70958009
Fuck off with this shit already drama fag. We don't fucking care about this shit anymore.

>>70969873
No idea and that's not up to me. But unless he can he doesn't really have a leg to stand on. For all we know he's making it up as he goes, and that's a problem specifically because he's pretending to be a serious legal source. If it was just an issue of verification I might give it the benefit of doubt but there are too many other issues with the document and his """"analysis"""" to put aside.

>>70970154
>ID branch shouldn't have dissolved
Anon, most of the branch is doing worse than homostar

>>70970414
D O K I S E X

Nijisisters are really stupid. They could derail every drama thread with lewds and yet they resort to dumb as shit plans that never pan out instead.

>>70970311
JP laws constitutes that they are employees due to the fact that there's an exclusivity clause

>>70963352
Even if it’s not her, we know the livers lurk here. They’re gonna read it. At best, it’s light amusement. Otherwise, it’s gonna hit the right sore spots.

>>70970368
They SHOULD. But until it is legally defined that Vtubers are employees of Vtuber companies due to their exclusivity clauses among other things, rather than simple contractors then they, along with Hololive members and possibly countless others vtubers, are considered contractors. That's why they pay their own taxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYAdRf7fgTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwK3Dq8PYAU&t=3465s

>>70968133
a lot of "leaker" content is either that or educated guesses. if the guess ends up incorrect then that specific leakpost is from some random pretending to be the leaker, something that anyone can do since none of them even bother with a tripcode.
niji has repeatedly shat itself in front of my eyes, I don't need an ebin double agent to tell me that the place is a mismanaged shithole with awful people at all levels.

>>70970414
It's not about the drama. It's that they're literally criminals. Hopefully Nijisanji gets audited

>>70970431
It had better management. It wasn't supposed to dissolve. But it did anyways. Something is wrong.
>>70970414
I just want to find out the truth. I don't care about NDF because all you cared about was the boys and fighting imaginary forces.

>>70970311
>IF Nijisanji members are legally considered employees of Anycolor.
They are lol. Under JP law, if you're "exclusive", you're an employee. And this is from the JP lawyer

>>70970272
Even that's starting to crack, according to what anons said about her return stream.

>>70958009
Were you expecting a big fight? It's two women we are talking about.

>>70969993
That's actually a complicated clause that isn't without merit, but it only applies to specific circumstances. Again you need to read this document with the understanding that it mainly seeks to protect Nijisanji from liability. What this clause lets them do is things like withhold payment or enact penalties based on the stated procedure, but a contract cannot make law, it cannot enforce law, it can only imply law.

That is to say, if they amend the contract in a way that a talent doesn't explicitly agree to, it's almost guaranteed it's not going to hold up in court, what it CAN do is remove or mitigate liability. For example if they defaulted on one of the provisions in the contract due to operating on the amended contract, prior to explicit consent by the talent, and in doing so the talent incurred damages then the talent *might* sue them over these damages. Normally this would be an open and shut case, but because the talent agreed to this contract and the procedure it outlined Niji now has an argument in court that makes it more difficult (and thus less financially viable) for talents to pursue a tort or other suit.

TL;DR: Contract clauses don't necessarily exist to win cases, they can exist to make muddy cases in such a way that a lawsuit becomes non-viable. Contract law is an incredibly complicated topic and there isn't really a great way to do summaries especially when clauses tend to depend on other relevant laws and specific circumstances, but it's a mistake to think "if it goes to court" is the right way to look at a contract. Most contracts exist to make sure it won't ever get that far in the first place.

>>70970475
>>70970759
See >>70970523
I should specify when I say legally defined I mean made into a legal definition AKA challenged in court that "Vtubers are employees and the various Acts apply to them". Vtubing being a completely new industry means that there's not really any legal precedent when it comes to it, the biggest defense being that
>Vtubers are playing a Character
>the person inside is not the Character
and until its challenged in court specifically this is part of why Roa's case went the way it did then they're effectively just treated as mascot characters with replaceable part-time workers inside of them.

I'm not defending Kurosanji but I am saying these are legally gray waters even for people who actually have degrees in this shit. 個人事業主 is the exact term used by Towa and Deron.

>>70963106
If you support the penguin, you support Anycolors bottom line. Fuck that!

>>70970427
>he's making it up as he goes
He could get disbar for that. Do you really think a real lawyer would risk being disbar for a fucking vtuber drama?

>>70970445
D O K I S C A T

>>70970996
Nah. The bar isn't going to care about this faggot's youtube performance, he's covered by a degree of 'technically true' lies. He isn't acting as anyone's lawyer or legal council and can easily just dismiss it as dramatisation.

I doubt he cares too much if he actually does get disbarred, and given his past antics this isn't even the worst he's done.

>>70970911
>個人事業主
>one-man business; sole proprietor; sole proprietorship; individual owner-manager
That's not how that works...
They're literally employed contractually to generate revenue for the company

>>70970996
>He could get disbar for that.
NTA and I believe him but we don't exactly have proof he isn't. Disbarred lawyers can still be paralegals in most states and he practices American law. He's also not giving legal advice to anyone specifically and is just commentating on something using his own knowledge.

>>70970523
Ahhh, Deron makes me feel like I'm melting. She can talk about anything, even do her taxes on stream. I would still watch.

>>70971215
>They're literally employed contractually to generate revenue for the company
Again, see the post where you have two people from two different companies at two different point in times explicitly saying
>We are 個人事業主 and we pay our own taxes
YOU might think they're employees. I wish them to be as well. But by their own definition they are not so the Labor Acts DO NOT APPLY.

>>70967981
Too bad that Sayu is based as fuck

>>70971215
Yeah but independent contractors are considered a one-man business

>>70971215
Last I heard from EN they don't even get a salary, which makes it hard to argue that they're employees.

That said this could just be something like with Uber, where the company desperately asserts they're contractors but the courts will determine their workers to be employees anyway, but it's impossible to say anything for certain until an actual court decides.

>>70970996
Nah, he's the equivalent of Dr. Oz. Media is his main business now and he flounts his previous license in order to say a lot of weird shit that no other practicing lawyers would find credible.

He's also living in Thailand now. One does not actively practice American law in Thailand.... if anything it's his way to avoid legal action that might hit him if he's in the US.

>>70971344
>by their own definition they are not
Just because they say x and y doesn't mean they are x and y
Words can't just rewrite laws, just like writing "You owe me you life if you sign this" and having them sign it is illegal.
A sole proprietor in layman's terms is an indie

>>70971444
>One does not actively practice American law in Thailand.
But you can? I wish Nijisanji EN had ONE NA lawyer so he could say how fucking stupid retarded they are

>>70971358
Except that they aren't independent.

>>70971627
As a consultant yes, but there's very little criteria gatekeeping who can and can't be a consultant when you're outside the jurisdiction of your own licensing board. For similar reasons, Dr. Oz was Trump's advisor during the COVID pandemic and recommending that hydroxychloroquine was effective for treating COVID.

>>70959631
>Kiara
I have never watched one second of Petra and I choose Petra.

>>70971507
"They" are the vtubers in question talking about filing their taxes; what other source can you trust? And again you have to understand it needs to be challenged. >>70971386 said it best where it's a company claiming they're contractors even when effectively they're not, to avoid having to pay taxes or have them apply to employee standards. You have the right idea in saying
>just because it's written down in a contract doesn't mean its legally enforcable
but "enforcable" is the keyword here.

If nobody from Hololive or Nijisanji strikes back claiming that they're not 個人事業主 and the 労働契約法 and 労働基準法 should apply to them as they're effectively employees, then the glass shield their respective companies have protecting them will never shatter. It is an unchallenged legal loophole.

>>70970911
Wasn't there a guy who had to give up his va job to be a vtuber, Cy yu was his name I think.
How does that work out if he is only a part timer playing a character?

>>70959631
The reason for the overlap is Niji is going to bot the ever living fuck out of Petras 3d debut and tell everyone and their investors that they still have an audience since they beat holo when it comes to ccv

>>70971627
tbf I kinda doubt Legal Mindset is licensed in international law. Getting advice from an unqualified lawyer is about as bad as getting a nephrologist to prescribe your psych meds.

>>70971875
I don't think you give up being a voice actor, you just don't get jobs.
Unless he straight up said, "I'm done with voiceacting"
Most voice actors just stream for additional income.

>>70971826
You don't like high pitched nasal singing?

>>70958009
This is what will happen in both sides after 1 year
>>NijiEN side
>They will release 3D for every wave until XSoleil
>They will do a AR concert, to make fans forget about the whole drama, everyone will be there
>Elira will come back in July, her comeback stream will have 15k CCV, half of it will be dramasisters expecting more drama, but they will only get a JRPG stream for 2 hours, she will start to stream regulary after this stream, going back to 500-2k CCV
>Because of the drama the average CCV will go up for every NijiEN vtuber
>A few will graduate from NijiEN while more people will debut under NijiEN
>The branch actually get a proper manager
>Around the end of the year they will sue people left and right under defamation and slander

>>Selen/Doki side
>She will get more sponsorships about FPS games like apex, overwatch and valorant
>Her CCV will slowly lower and stabilize around 3-5k
>She will organize a lot of game tournaments that will primarily join by big name indies, then after while by random western indies and her fps pro friends.
>She will stay an indie, after rejecting joining Mythic
>She will get in more drama against her will because dramatubers
>She will become another large western indie
>She will lost all her JP fans

>>70971875
according to the wiki, he's actually doing a lot of shit.

>>70971992
He use a synonym. His name isn't Andrew Esquire, Esquire is made up to protect himself for people looking up his bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImDREszouYw

>>70971958
It won't even reach 5 Finanas.

>>70972012
>>Because of the drama the average CCV will go up for every NijiEN vtuber
lol
They are STILL bleeding subs to this day.

>sisters are using this thread to discredit a man well-knowledged and experienced in his fields of expertise
hilariously grim

>>70971826
Why do we hate Kiara again?

>>70972012
>Because of the drama the average CCV will go up for every NijiEN vtuber
Nope.

>>70971875
I've said basically everything I can say in >>70971832, the only other thing I can add is this: unless it is challenged and a law specifically requiring Vtubers to not be considered as 個人事業主 but instead specifically as an employee comes around, then this will continue to be the reality we live in.

>>70972227
There is a handful of lunatics who still hate Kiara here.

>>70959631
sorry but once you've seen one Holofes concert you've seen them all so I'll watch Korone's performance and then go back to the Penguin

>>70972184
Subs, not CCV, shitters like finana and reimu are actually getting more CCV
>>70972239
Already happening, like they say, there's not such thing as bad publicity, there's just publicity

>>70972081
He's a real estate/property lawyer licensed in Florida living in Thailand though? Doesn't smell like someone who is actively practicing to me.

>>70968785
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME. I CAN COOK AND CLEAN, RAISE OUR FIFTY CHILDREN. WORK HARD IN THE YARD, GARDEN, YOU NAME IT!

>>70972012
not even a sister is this delulu

>>70972012
It took them 3 years to make a grand total of 6 3D models (counting Pomu's and Selen's, latter of which likely had her model in production before her termination) What level of goddamn magical thinking does it take to expect them to produce 16 more in the span of a year?

>>70972189
Let's assume he's all those things, that still doesn't change the fact that his performance was atrocious on pretty much all fronts.

Let's also not pretend like LM's legal credentials don't come up all the time due to him being very... dubious with his legal takes.

>>70969091
>>70969308
>>70969357
Rosemi and Petra are yab free, are multi-talented, and are distinct. They're testing to see how well they can do when given some investment, and if they do well, will likely "lead" the branch as an example. I really believe the rrat that Petra will informally/formally take over from Elira.

>>70972467
They are hiring for every position that was left vacant in NijiEN management and changing people that were there before the whole Selen drama, there's a reason why they are releasing Rosemi and Petra 3D now.

>>70971832
>It is an unchallenged legal loophole.
No, it's just unchallenged
The VTubers working under these companies are content with the life they live and aren't proactively trying to improve their situation

>>70969993
It's a company that declared that they didn't break NDA because they passed the sealed documents to a third party (Enna, Ike and Vox). Pretty sure they don't care considering they even said something in the leaked contract that went along the lines of 'even if the court doesn't apply these clauses, we will apply it.' like they're above the law.

>>70972012
>Because of the drama the average CCV will go up for every NijiEN vtuber
>Around the end of the year they will sue people left and right under defamation and slander
I do not see these two things happening at all. The first one hasn't really changed NijiEN's CCV much, if anything Enna's viewership went down during her two special planned events compared to last year, same for her superchat donations. And because NijiEN may not be welcomed at North American cons for a good while, and assuming they actually plan on blacklisting people, that's only going to hurt their own growth long term as they'll be isolated from the great English scene. The only hope for growth will be for those NijiEN talents that can stay out of drama, but even then NijiEN hasn't been growing since Krisis either.

The other thing is that they can try and sue people for defamation, but it just won't work. They tried that for Roa in Japan, where defamation cases are an easy slam dunk, and yet they still lost because the judge saw that she was still making money via voice packs and realized "Well, she isn't that affected if she's still part of the company after 2-3 years". If they can't even win a case in their native homeland, what hope do they have of navigating international laws and successfully suing other talents/drama vtubers under defamation?
Remember too that they tried to take down the sister's doxxsite last year. They tried to take down False and Khyo last year with false DMCA strikes, but Anycolor just showed themselves to be a paper tiger since they never acted out on any further claims, resulting in Youtube themselves removing the false strikes and the sister's doxxsite sadly still being alive.

tl;dr nijien is doomed

>>70972001
By give up I mean he was barred from doing voice over/acting possibly for the term of his vtuber contract.

>>70972325
lolno they are not.
millie's return stream was really underwhelming and it had like 5 livers in it

>>70972562
>Petra will informally/formally take over from Elira
>Elira is now free to stream JRPGs 12 hours a day and do half-sober karaokes
Is she finally free? Did she finally win?

>>70969348
Selen is a VERY tomboy extrovert for all appearances, while a lot of people are introverts in NijiEN. I can see it being a personality miscommunication conflict easily. Selen's "bullying" which amounts to competitive banter, is just an invite for you to interact with her, its meant to be loving, but some people might actually take it as actual bullying, and when they snap back with actual bullying, pointed exclusion, etc... it must have hurt to feel all that highschool drama BS.

>>70972634
well he has roles for 2024, but those could have been recorded ages ago. not sure what you could be referring too

>>70972613
Frick, I mean Elira. Was reading shitposts/hateposts about Enna, so I brainfarted.

>>70972012
>Around the end of the year they will sue people left and right under defamation and slander
AHAHAHAHA
They couldn't even beat dramafags on their HOME TURF, where things heavily favor them. There isn't a rrat's chance in hell they could sue anyone overseas.

>>70969396
And I'll call them a fucking fraud. I never wanted it to be true, but it was the only thing that made sense.

>>70972636
The Ennaslayer.

>>70972613
It's pretty standard operation for companies. They will do anything they can get away with until a court forces them to comply with the rules. The main thing these companies do is make things at obtuse as possible so people don't bother trying to get the things they're entitled to.

A common example where I live is companies need to pay travel expenses for their employees who travel more than 10KM to get to work. The vast majority of companies will not actually pay your travel expenses unless you go out of your way to expressly insist they pay you. And then they still don't pay you. Request again and they'll say they'll pay you, and then still won't pay you. Go to court and you lose thousands of dollars on a lawyer to get much less than that in travel expenses and your contract isn't getting renewed. So in the end despite the law saying companies need to pay travel expenses, most of them just won't. Stricter regulation and heavier fines are steadily improving things here and there, but the point remains that companies aren't to bothered by the law unless someone actually forces the issue.

>>70972727
yea, I'm not trying to justify it or anything. You have to read the room when "bantering" like that. And she loves to picking on people. It makes some collabs awesome, and others awkward messes because you can tell other streamers are so done with her.

>>70972727
>banter
This is a good point. To a lot of ESLs, banter, sarcasm, etc. are difficult to parse, so it comes off as more mean than is intended. Combine that with the Sisters echo chamber taking things out of context (just see Nina's grudge doc) and it's easy for them to sway ESL viewers who may be on the fence about Selen/Doki to view her distastefully.

>>70970523
I really wonder why someone in Nijisanji can't just show their contract to a government employment regulatory bureau for inspection. Why would anyone get in trouble for that if they kept it just between them and the Gov. employment bureau? Just doing due diligence in making sure there aren't any "mistakes".

>>70972909
>>70972903
I HATE banter when done on me by my friends. But I will admit is funny to see people get bantered in a stream.

>they hated Selen because she was too good on the mic

>>70972753
He was talking about his Nijisanji interview, and why he declined to be a niji chuuba. Giving up voice over was a big no for him.

>>70969308
with the 3D and all the stuff that they seem to be pushing out, it almost feels like a pump and dump effort.

very on brand to squeeze the most financial gain out of whatever you have lying around before changing direction.

I mean banter is fine in small amounts, But when its the first thing someone does, or does it to much trying to make it their personality, it gets old super fast. Like i could be doing something i actually like instead of taking your shit today.

>>70972727
I don't think extravert tomboys can be bullied to suicide.

>>70972703
If she keeps herself out of trouble for the rest of her career, she would definitely recover, focusing on her content, ASMRs, etc...

>>70973097
oh haha
the way they worded it, read way different.

>>70973127
get thicker skin or git gud, fuckboi

>>70973134
Ever see an excited puppy see a potential new owner? Ever seen what happens to those puppies who then are abused by them?

>>70972727
>extrovert for all appearances, while a lot of people are introverts in NijiEN
She's an introvert, something she's said a lot. You would also see this in bigger collabs (4+ people) where she'd just shut down and barely talk. And she's a shut-in who can't even remember her way back home sometimes.

>>70973102
It also just makes you wonder how long they were just sitting on these 3D models for. They didn't even fix Pomu's rigging before she left, so was EN just put on the backburner or what?

>>70973302
>And she's a shut-in who can't even remember her way back home sometimes.
That sounds like she's just retarded.

>>70973280
Mm, but people aren't puppies.

>>70973302
>for all appearances
I know she has said she's an introvert, but from everyone else's POV she's an extrovert while gaming. At the party? In the corner, holding a drink, feet hurting, wishing she was playing APEX with other people.

>>70972012
Honestly...the Doki side is a very moot talk. The drama is exclusively OUTSIDE her, she has made SEVERAL CLAIMS to consider the Livers humans and consider them behind the monitor and not harrass or blame them at all...AFTER THE BLACK VIDEO.

I am here to state that she knew. She knew thanks of the contract that they had no choice if a smear campaign was launched against her, and doesn't blame them. She could have easily said something about that in her last message, which is public and still readable for anyone to see, but she instead took the very opposite way of saying "don't blame them for this".

So yes, she is having her own damn carreer and frankly the drama dying down will be a win for her. She will lose views? Let's no joke ourselves, clout chasers and people expecting her to go full "Sayu" and actually fuel the fire will be around. But she has given all but the opposite intention, even using the dramawave for charity, for fuck sake.
What she wants to do with her life is her choice, and I think Nijisanji got so fucking destroyed by their own attacks backfiring that they learned the art of "shutting the fuck up".

However...the same cannot be said for NijiEN. The basic trust with the people has been broken, and any or all incident can easily destroy the trust again.
Releasing 3D of all livers right now and trying to organize their own great concert can backfire terribly since it may not sell at all and be dwarfed by Holofes, and that's if the investors are ready to wait that much.

I've noticed they are collaborating a lot in Japan times, with Japan, and the last event says a lot. It has "PETRA" written like this, and Millie was so distracted she used JST twice, clearly screaming from the hills " This event is for japan, not you westerners! "
Normally I would say this is an indication of what's gonna happen to Petra, a full switch to JP is something many theorized she would do, leaving Rosemi as the only Obsydia left, which seeing how she is stirring the pot with her subtle Selen support screams of me of someone who has already filed her 2 week notice and it's behaving just enough to make things work. Note that during the announcement, Rosemi's chat moderation was set pretty high, despite she having completely removed it before, while Petra was set to 10 minutes only. Rosemi was PURPOSELY funnling audience into Petra's stream, there is no doubt about that, despite both being equally important.

This change of times and constant operation in Japan may suggest a fusion of the branch into JP. I know that would be stupid considering the oversaturation, but if the problem is management and you can't replace it, the correct decision in normal businesses is to downsize and recoup losses so you don't explode from being too big to handle.

Vox can frankly go indie and he would still have an audience, and we both know that. I feel that he knows and he's just walking in collabs because he has nothing to worry, being the golden boy.
Elira...is a goddamn mystery. Her lack of presence in every event makes no sense. Enna has been frankly the face of worry, selfquestioning has become a standard in everything she does. Millie has expressed concern but has pretty much took over. All her actions on twitter feels either sockpuppeted or very limited, and I can't possibly think of anything she may be doing that takes so much time herself.
Being suspended would make sense, but that would imply that the only good reason for it is that she is responsible for the black video, or being scapegoated as. According to her tweet, she is looking at April 27, but that would make 3 full months of no-show which honestly would pretty much confirm the suspension.
Fact is, the ball is out of everyone's hand at this point.

>>70973327
All signs point to the company planning to fold EN for a while now, the sheer lack of investment is a huge red flag. Just take one look at how their last Gen debut went. No investment whatsoever, they're just amassing a treasury and liquidating what they can.

Niji stock barely grew in 2023, which is another massive red flag. There's many more signs like this, they're just not interested in managing the company anymore and are just looking to extract value.

>>70973228
I just got better friends.
easy to leave the bad ones haha
Love getting those text when hanging out, and everyone is like "(you) is asking what we are doing" "just say idk" funniest shit.

>>70973443
You can kick both of them.

>>70973500
You can kick a lot of things.

>>70973471
But here's the main problem, Anon. It's not 2 companies, it's a branch.
If they liquidate, they liquidate everything. If tomorrow Anycolor gets creamed, JP goes down too. I have no doubt if it was a side company, EN would have been gone by now.

But losing JP too would be basically dipping out of Vtuber. Rebuilding everything with the mess that is JP may take time that other companies will use to take over the void.

>>70973558
But can your oshi kick things aswell?

Hope everyone's ready for the final merging. Their expert interns have cooked up the byline and everything:

>Nijisanji World
>For A World With No Boundaries
>[blue pacman from the logo becomes a globe]

>Captcha: NNASA

>>70973456
Wasn't there something about contract negotiations and month long suspencions? Any chance there's something going on with Elira's contract?
>Elira...is a goddamn mystery
Looking at how the twitter feeds is evolving, she'll take a hit short-term hit and in the long run people will forget. Despite what people are saying I think she can restart as an indie and the only big problem she'll face is that she doesn't have a PL/RM account.

>>70972903
I don’t disagree with this point, but surely just getting fed up with her and then taking it out on her to the point she decides suicide is best isn’t the play. Being an introvert is not an excuse for not communicating important things, and this angle really makes it sound like no one bothered to tell her to tone it down even a little bit. When you’re working together for 2+ years, surely your communication skills can’t be that terrible.

>>70973810
Elira sold her life to the company. And now that EN is in shambles, she is too. She's the ultimate corporate cuck.

>>70973719
That's pretty much exactly what they're doing, yes. Riku probably thinks he can do better with a different company and is leaving vtubing. Again, his company has stagnated for a full year. Not NijiEN, Anycolor is stagnant.
>But it's worth so much!
It's massively overvalued and it's worth is irrelevant if Riku thinks (rightly or not) he can make more money elsewhere. He'll probably just sell the bones to the highest bidder after stockpiling cash for all of last year.

>>70973842
True, but when money is involved you might feel like you shouldn't need to mother someones behavior.

>>70973782
><Those who survive a long time in the industry start to think they're invincible. I bet you do, too, Tanigo.>.

>>70972903
>>70973842
>Selen: "lol you suck dude git gud!"
>Elira:

>>70973972
you also have to realize some people are just vindictive as fuck. Its a rrat, but people are crazy dude.

>>70971832
>The distinction between an independent contractor and a company executive on the one hand, and a worker protected by employment law on the other hand, should be made based on the person’s actual working conditions (not only by job title or the form or name of the contract)

>>70973940
I never said that, I just said that Anycolor is one company. A lot of finance comments on the Japanese side are hoping it will grow just so they can get their money back in sales/liquidation.
It may even happen tomorrow, but I can say most of them are not in for a long ride, unless Riku has some ridicolously good pitch the 15th.
Is it possible that as a last goodwill action to not have the smell follow him in his next activity, he's planning to give all livers their IP back, probably not the gone ones but the ones in. They have no value after all, can't use them without the person or you will get nuked globally.

>>70974100
> he's planning to give all livers their IP back
VShojo about to become Niji 2.0.

>>70972903
Frankly, that is not just her. Hell, even Ironmouse can be a fucking troll at times. Most Vtubers are, you shouldn't confuse the banter for other things.

>>70974100
I think their images will sooner be sold off to advertising agencies.

>>70971832
>>70974090
>by taking into account various factors such as whether: (i) he/she has any discretion to refuse assignments; (ii) he/she is under someone’s control and should follow specific instructions regarding his/her work; (iii) the place and time for work are fixed; (iv) other persons are permitted to do the work; and (v) he/she is receiving wages in exchange for providing the work.

>>70974090
>>70974210
Citation doko?

>>70974100
>he's planning to give all livers their IP back
IP represents a significant value, major money that will make investors question future profit margins (the only thing going for Anycolor financially).

At best, it's something like allowing organs to pay for their own copies of their play buttons as a "commitment to supporting their dreams" or whatever corpospeak spin they can half-ass.

>>70974147
Ok, I know how this board works, so let me clarify before someone jumps into "this is idiotic".
When you are a boatjumper like Riku, the most important thing is to not become known as one, or the investors will be wary. You want to ALWAYS leave your last business with a clean slate.

If you can't because you are currently in everyone's crosshair, then you just do something like that. Honestly, it would also be a gigantic fuck you to Hololive and all other companies, challenged to do the same and rethink their entire business strategy.

>>70974100
>Is it possible that as a last goodwill action to not have the smell follow him in his next activity, he's planning to give all livers their IP back, probably not the gone ones but the ones in.
Shit posting aside if he does this + shut down NijiEN + acknowledges the company was not at the time ready to enter the global market, then I can see Anycolor gaining enough good will to attempt a reentry in the global market in 6-12 months.

>>70974188
Another thing you have to realize when interacting with "High earners" is that they make or break you. You can't act like a bitch to iron mouse and then expect everyone around her to ever interact with you again. people turn into yes men around these people for good reason. I assume the same was true with selen, you had to put up with it because of how many fans she has in niji.

>>70974265
https://iclg.com/practice-areas/employment-and-labour-laws-and-regulations/japan

>1.2

>>70974208
Yeah, no. It will have the opposite effect on fans, asking them to return their beloved idols. They can however negotiate with said idols to force basically free sponsorships and goodwill.

>>70974279
I was talking in case of liquidation, to get the stench out.

>>70973947
Fair enough. I’m personally inclined to reach out to people but that doesn’t mean everyone else is the same, or can do the same as easily. Still, I think it’s also a part of the scope of their professional duties to be able to do something as simple as communicate simple comments and feedback to one another. It’s definitely much more difficult now compared to before, but it was arguably far more feasible to do so back in the branch’s early days when the number of people was fewer.

I’m sure many of them might see it in hindsight that way now. “If only I’d said something earlier, then maybe we wouldn’t have come to this,” or something similar.

>>70974325
The fuck? But Selen was basically an independent unit in Nijisanji. She was doing her own thing and focusing on her own projects, like, just look at the big collabs with everyone, she looked like a scared kitty and often blended into the background.

I won't claim the clique rrat is true, but Niji definitely had, or has, an established core and hierarchy within it and Selen was nowhere near the top nor it had anything to do with how much a liver was earning since Elira of all people was pushed like crazy.

Honestly one of the comments here convinced me Elira may be just be out, but not "rushing out in a storm" out.
She still recieves support and others seems happy, so there is goodwill, but she has no intention to resume streaming because it would only go negative.

Building up cash and setting themselves into Japan properly, then once you are axed, make a PL and have your friends use their PL to have people find you. Then restart and maybe company free you make your position clear, clean your shit and restart from ground zero.

Who knows, maybe she has something to actually clean her reputation but cannot use it because if she challenges the company they can terminate her brutally and stigmatize her in japan.

>>70974210
Want to remind you that none of this means shit until a court passes a verdict. Mentioned this before but see Uber as an example.

>>70974350
But they aren't paid in wages?

>>70974503
Ok, stop. I raised the point in a friendly manner, but honestly, Selen is 1000% done with this shit and Niji. She said so, she even said to "respect the livers" after the fucking black video.

She has no grudges. Maybe Millie, but not of such a level to make her life being bothered by Niji as long as they don't bother her back.
Honestly the sisters should get a clue, Doki protected Niji more than their own livers did at this point. If they want someone who kept bashing them, Sayu definitely fueled the dramas.

>>70974689
Would be rather difficult to be a JSL solo streamer in a market as saturated as Japan. Being in Japan also makes it much more difficult to network with people in the West so maintaining that fanbase as an indie becomes much more difficult. It'd be a pretty stupid plan.

>>70974876
Not to mention she wasn't very popular within Niji to begin with.

>>70974815
>Sayu definitely fueled the dramas
She's consistently just retaliated anon, this trick won't work. Go shill your retarded anti bullshit on the doxxsite if you want people to believe you.

>>70974815
>Honestly the sisters should get a clue
They're only semi-autonomous and are guided by livers on the doxxsite and Discord. Sometimes the livers even come /here/, as we've seen recently.

>>70973456
While I agree doki doesn't hold any grudges, I don't think she's very understanding of the black screen video and any sympathy she had for the livers is gone by now, and rightfully so. Regardless she is doing very well and doesn't need to look back to look back to this shitty part of her life.
I don't think anybody disagreed that most of these streamers would come back but their growth would stagnate and they would face hostility in conventions and such. Also if they really are irredeemable pos then Doki's success will embitter them further leading to a drop in content quality.

>>70974939
I'm not a Nijisis, I was just making a point. Sayu definitely helped into sinking the Yacht, Doki saw it explode as they tossed her into the water and still called the Coast Guard.

And yet she keeps getting attacked. It's absurd for me, both should be left in peace, but Doki literally tried everything in her power to have all this not happen as long as she didn't have to stay in a place traumatic for her any longer.

>>70974769
Yes there are arguments for and against it. Protection under LSA depends on the classification of the worker which depends on the various mentioned factors.

>>70974689
First Problem is how long she can wait, before redebuting? At some point her audience will stop waiting for her and move on. Sayu waited 2 months before redebuting. Although they've been streamer with longer breaks than that.
Second problem is JST streaming times, although we don't know for how long she was planning to stay in Japan to begin with.
>>70974876
Going by the assumption of that guy, I doubt she plans to transfer to a JP audience.
>>70974917
She had over 2k CCV in some of her streams, so she still has a big enough audience to make the move to solo, if she decides to.

>>70975068
I do think she's very understanding of it. I think the contract is real and she knew something like that was eventually coming. She made an ENTIRE PARAGRAPH in her last message about "treat the livers properly" that suggest she knew people would be forced to speak against their will.
Hell, if you put Riku's apology and that message next to each other, it almost sounds like they agree. It's just that level of crazy.
Sadly the Dramatubers have missed the memo and keep putting livers in their thumbnail, fueling from the GURRAT.

>>70975083
In this case, that's just what happens when dealing with NijiEN's current fanbase. If you are a female and you aren't part of the company anymore, they view you as an enemy. Especially if you got terminated for false reasons, in this case you are now being viewed as someone who "betrays" people even though NijiEN and its own current talents have shot themselves in the foot with the black screen video.

>>70958009
it's over

>>70975103
Her 2 year members were making fun of her during the black stream. Whatever fans she has left won't be the paying ones. She could still make it as an indie but probably not at the same level of comfort as before.

>>70974503
you could say she was "independent" but when your schedule conflicts/overlaps with others and your taking up niji resources that are finite, its super easy to step on toes. Especially given selens personality i can see her saying "why wouldn't i take this time slot/project"

kinda funny how they released the black video at the same time she started stream right?

>>70975271
It's just getting started!

>>70975103
Nobody said she will be a JP streamer. She will adequate herself to an acceptable time and work with it. Redebuting takes sadly the time it will take for her to get out of Niji, she probably has no control over that because she is probably so tainted by the fuckups she can't decide the when, it's up to management.

>>70974815
were just talking dude, go change your pad.

>>70974079
Pathologically vindictive, one might even say.

>>70974479
Hindsights a bitch man.

>>70975271
Oh no the Reddit is 100% done with. They are basically screaming at the livers to get out ASAP.
I expect the subreddit to be nuked before any attempt to actually restart.

>>70975310
>Especially given selens personality i can see her saying "why wouldn't i take this time slot/project"
Except she wasn't getting shit? Remember the cancelled tourney? The lack of merch? Even if she asked for stuff she was never getting it. Ultimately, the company dictates who gets what. Hell, even Pomu was denied a lot of things and she was besties with Elira. It's super silly to take it on her for something she literally can't control.

>>70975273
She's definitely lost people, but I don't think it's irrecoverable. Some people in Nijisanji are lower 3views now, she didn't get to the viewership she had or kept it as high as it was by being bad at her job. She's a good entertainer that's good at her niche. She won't get the massives boost Doki got or begin with mythical numbers, but she can pull enough people for a comfortable start of her indie career. From then on a gradual incline is not out of the question. Not the best example, but Sayu restarted relatively small and she was strongly inclining, even before this situation exploded (when she started getting big subs).
Also even with smaller numbers if she doesn't have to pay 50% to Anycolor the money might be good, if not better.

>>70975458
Time frames matter.
It was only at the end of her career she started getting denied.

man, ive already zoned out of this whole drama weeks ago. what the hell has this turned out into

>>70975273
>She could still make it as an indie
How? I don't think majority of the people would simply forgive and forget this level of misdeed.
She could come out and say Niji made her do it but Niji and her ex-coworkers would go after her ass.

>>70975558
It won't stop until Nijisanji dies. And belive me, anon, Nijisanji WILL die.

>>70975458
Again, speaking of the past is moot at this point. People really tend to forget both Doki and Riku blamed EN management completely. You can go watch his video, he makes it clear cut where the blame is, and he does clarify it's not with Selen or the Livers according to him.

Yes, he hasn't done jack shit to fix the problem, but at the same time that type of video is an official response and it is to be taken as the company official stance even in court. And it was prerecorded with cuts, meaning that the words were very carefully chosen.

>>70975219
Nah they streamed right when she returned to streaming neopets. You just don't hold over something like that.
I am not saying she's mad at them or anything, more likely a cold attitude and apathy at this point.
Her appeal was due to the fact she is a decent person and doesn't really want to be tied down to this anymore. No grudges, no friendly feelings, nothing.