/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>70430992
What did she say?

>>70430992
>Be the funny spider
>Have waay too much money for your own good
>Waste it all in vtubers because you just want to watch them
>Met a ghost
>Ghost tells him "you're bad with money, let me do it"
>He doesn't really care so might as well
>Pays her to be manager and secretary all while keeping check of his finances
>Things are really good
>The ghost applies for Nijisanji and gets in
>She leaves the position to pursue her dreams
>Things get bad and her dream withers away
>Funny spider gets sick and sicker
>Tried to find another secretary but not much luck
>All the vtubers he watches are never around
>Screw it he will make his own agency so I have people to watch (eventually)
>The ghost makes way less money all while her reputation tanks

The moral of the story is to be grateful for what you have

>>70431247
Who’s the spider in this story?

>>70431247
What the schizo fuck are you talking about

>>70431302
Duellogs/Hirusomethingdex, Vivi used to help him out manage money. That's why you can see them talking on Twitter often

>>70431302
Wait duellogs was manage by vivi?!
the fuck.

Vivi is dangerous and must be rejected

>>70431386
No idea who that is but that is for the answer

>>70431480
But thanks* no idea how I fucked that one up

>>70431443
Yeah, he jokes sometimes that maybe Vivi can get Rosemi to be his best friend

>>70431518
i was about to say that also lmao.
at very least help log to talk to rosemi lmao.
but thats a twist i didnt expect.

>>70431386
I was not expecting to see Duellogs and Vivi on the same sentence lol

>>70430992
this isn't a twitter drama site woman, begone

>>70431244
retweeted the 3 idiots black screen stream

This board will never be allowed to forget the name of the person who told some fucking idiot on twitter to grow a spine because after he deleted his twitter account he decided to devote the rest of his life to making threads about her?

>>70432563
>he deleted his twitter account
That he created a minute before replying to her?

>>70431448
such a good model wasted on a fucking 2view niji

>>70433085
fr, she will slump into irrelevance now due to negative association, and she was one of the new ones i thought showed promise...

>>70431782
...That's it? You do know they all had to do it, right? I doubt they even knew what was going in it, or even that they retweeted it themselves instead of management skinwalking them. I love a good anti-niji thread, but this ain't it chief.

>>70430992
She’s in it for the ARS

>>70431386
Wait that was her? She was the secretary that made all those connections? That sucks. He really heaped praise on her. Well at least it's good that she has marketable skills once Niji collapses. It doesn't sound like there's any hard feelings, though.

>>70430992
She knows that the fallout from this will be negligible. Niji will thrive on the backs of sisters who have no alternative (except FSP but they collab with Niji anyway).

>>70433159
Sounds like you're coping. It's surprisingly not management skinwalking this time.
Were you not /here/ 2 weeks ago when everyone was talking about how some organs were already in the graduation queue because they didn't retweet the black screen stream?

>>70433585
Yeah I am, but let me have this small cope. It's not hurting anyone.

>>70433085
such a good streamer wasted on a fucking dipshit audience

I'm talking about you /vt/

>>70430992
We all make our choices.

Interestingly being obsessed with somebody who was mean to you on twitter once is also a form of parasocial relationship if they have already forgotten about you

>>70430992
>Vivi took approximately seventy four (74) dollars if the 2% rrat is correct
>For her entire existence in niji so far

>>70434225
It's not a rrat. It's 2% for general merchandise, like the puppets and acrylic stands, not everything they make.

>>70434225
That's fucking grim. Why even join Niji if being an indie gives you more?

>Please note that discussion should pertain to a VTuber's streams and content
With that said don't forget Vivi BTFO'D you on twitter cuck

>>70434280
Let's be generous and say they got the 50-50 split like holomen, that's still less than 2k.
That's 500 bucks per month.

I also doubt they got much memberships outside of their monetization month

>>70433720
There are so many girls, dropping Vivi's future potential and NijiE doesn't sound like a bad idea.

>>70434332
Forget indie, she made more money as a secretary. The funny spider she worked for is rich as fuck.

>>70434225
>>70434332
Holy retard KEK niji antis have to be bots there's no way

>>70430992
And to think I was defending this cunt just other day, saying that I feel so bad for her and that people should watch her because she's cute.
Never again, rescinded my subscription too

>>70430992
that's still more that what she probably made on her pl

>>70434413
Cope sister
Even the latest homostars EN made like 7-10k

>>70434413
For comparison

>bootlicking for crumbs
kek
Her and kunai might do better as AVtubers

>>70434505
You haven’t missed much. Watching her learn tekken is pretty mind numbing

>>70434570
>>70434520
How come you fags made fun of selen for le 2% but it turns out she had invested 200k of her niji earnings on projects? Btw she didnt recup her investment because of retards like you who wanted her career to crash and burn for being on nijisanji

So if le 2% is real that means Selen made 10 million dollars to get a 200k cut KEK you can't be retarded enough to suggest that
For sure you can't be that stupid

>>70434697
I don't think anyone took the "2% for EVERYTHING" thing seriously. 2% for merch is still mediocre as hell, though.

Like how this one guy is defending Vivi so hard he even fell for the sockpuppet twitter account. Must be Jora, he left Rosemi for Vivi so I can see why your coping.

>>70434697
The 2% is for their niji merch retard, but the SC and membership cut is still lower than Holo.
Fucking Kuzuha negotiated his 50-50 cut in 2022

>>70434771
>already backpedalling
Vivi was right where's your spine lil bro?

>>70434794
>The 2% is for their niji merch retard, but the SC and membership cut is still lower than Holo.
Ah right surely hololive's cut matters to Vivi because? And does that matter to Doki at all? I hope you're not one of the retards who wants Doki to join hololive and piss away 40% of her earnings to a corpo just to fund more fucking flayon x machinas
I mean surely you wouldn't be that fucking retarded?

>>70434813
same place she got that joke from, in Aris's stream

>>70434697
I'm talking about their sc sister.
How come Vivi got less than half of the weakest homo en?
Kunai got measly 3k and she debuted in fucking October

>>70434895
>bootlicking black company this hard
Sister, your oshi would unironically be better as indie

>>70434813
I'm not even the same anon. Vivi's cool. If she knew the spider I don't want to fight or harass her.

>>70434520
vivi is way too new to actually be one of the bullies. Doesnt mean shes a good person necessarily, Ive no idea, maybe she will be clique some day. But I dont understand the pitchforks over nothing.
Also, I vaguely remember this screenshot being posted before and some anon calling OP out for using the wrong website cause vivi apparently uses something else. Am I remembering that correctly?

>>70434971
>pitchfork over nothing
Yeah anon, surely the current sentiment towards Niji has no relation at all with how the company manages their talents.
Also, Vivi IS a bootlicker. She might've got gaslighted by the clique but still.

>>70435088
Hi Reimu. Leave the other girls alone and focus on being a better streamer, please.

>>70435088
>Yeah anon, surely the current sentiment towards Niji has no relation at all with how the company manages their talents.
I dont see how management being shit is vivis fault.
Im all for burning down clique, including kyo and nina, but what did vivi ever do? If anything I feel sorry for her. Both her oshis left, vivi went into debt to join a zombie corp. Her contract has her tied until at least summer I assume. If anything shed deserve a better management.

>Also, Vivi IS a bootlicker
she didnt really do anything Im aware of though. she got attacked by a retard on twitter and hit back. I wouldnt be surprised if that was a sockpuppet, but I very much doubt clique wouldve told her that because they theres two leakers, and they dont know who they are, imagine proof of this stunt actually leaking...
the stream retweet is a braindead argument. Almost everyone did. Theres also no evidence even suggesting that the talents actually watched it before retweeting, if it was even them. Rosemis twitter was completely dead the week before and after.

>>70435351
>already memoryholing the balcked stream RT
You're a genuine Vivifag aren't you?
My condolences

>>70431386
Mr. Logs didn't deserve this...
Vivi is a whore and I lost all respect for her!

>>70430992
quick question: does vivi do any content that would help someone cum?

>>70435462
no

>>70435440
???
learn to read niggerfaggot. My god I hate zoomers. Not everything is a fucking tiktok reel, or whatever you call the "entertainment" you consume

Lmao at nijisanji unicorns thinking this mid tier garbage chuuba is in need of saving. We don't want luca leftovers sorry.

>>70435462
yes, if you enjoy ntr that is

>>70433159
Except they didn't all retweet it retardchama.
Scarle didn't, for example.

>>70435351
>but what did vivi ever do?
N O T H I N G that's why it's fucked
just like all the other failing organs
even some of them NOTABLY shooting each other in the backs on the way out
actual inhuman scum

>>70435687
>be new in a corpo
>gone into debt for debut
>chained by contract
>know they take you out and put two bullets into your head for nothing like they did with zaion if you give them a reason
>your oshis were systematically bullied out of the corpo, they know they were your oshis, you know that they will fuck you the second you give them the slightest chance
>get told to retweet some video
>everyone is supposed to
>its your job, so you do it. Theres nothing to be gained by you running into an open knife for nothing anyway, but youre also almost certainly not aware what exactly it contains because youre new and not part of clique and why the fuck would they tell you the truth in advance?

Also, Scarle has a dedicated fanbase that drop massive supas, has been bullied herself by clique and would almost certainly profit from being terminated. Also almost certainly has enough pocketmoney to survive the interimperiod, yet she didnt even actually say anything about what was happening. If anything, those that knew and did nothing should be singled out. Not some newfaggot.

>>70435728
not even Petra and Rosemi did anything, and they actually knew how Selen was treated. expecting a newbie to do the heavy lifting for literally everyone else is just irrational and makes you seem like an idiot.

>>70436226
>not even Petra and Rosemi did anything
disgusting
absolutely disgusting

>>70434225
Not 2%. Selen made 200k and 2% of that is 10mil

>>70436226
>not even Petra and Rosemi did anything, and they actually knew how Selen was treated. expecting a newbie to do the heavy lifting for literally everyone else is just irrational and makes you seem like an idiot
All of them are bad, retard
All of them grovel and lick the boots of the ones above
Those people also kicking down ANYONE slightly below them and aren't buddy buddies

outstanding so now we're having endless threads about victoria brightshield because one of you fucking idiots got slapped around by a woman on twitter

>>70436465
Selen spent 200k. She earned way less than that figure in Niji.

>>70436566
>All of them are bad, retard
retarded take. If Petra and Rosemi graduate before end of May theyre both vindicated. Especially if Petra leaves the vtubing scene entirely as has been suggested before.
As for Rosemi, she saw how Selen was treated in November in Japan, and based on her place in the queue probably handed in her notice around that time. I really wonder what happened offstream during that collab.

>>70436829
>suddenly the sockpuppet is actually a /vt/anon
Lmao

Whats the point of joining niji anymore?

>>70437328
there was never any point in the first place
even the smaller corpo chuubas make more money than the newest waves of niji

>>70437328
training academy for vshojo

>>70434373
Nijisanji organs get roughly a third of the superchat and membership revenue. 30% goes to Youtube, and Anycolor and the talent split the remainder 70%.
Conversely, Hololive chuubas get 50% of the revenue, as in Covercorp gets approx. 20% of it.

They openly state it in their financial reports.

>>70434697
2% revenue split is for merchandise, not including voice packs. It also starts out as 1% and it gets bumps based on milestones.
Selen made Anycolor Inc. approx 1.1 million USD in 2023, and she took home 220K USD.

>>70435687
After that Scarle announced that she was gonna take a break, but then she suddenly returned to streaming shortly after. She clearly got a stealth suspension, but it was reversed.

>>70436226
>>she HAD to do it
>>no, because not everyone did
>>[list of excuses]
She chose to do it, she's a fucking coward.

>>70434351
You mean the sockpuppet twitter account had existed for less than one day? You mean the pro-artist tweet she posted, suspiciously together with a handful of nijjers in the same half day period, after dokibird's tweet about Niji not paying artists got popular?

>>70436226
>has been bullied herself by clique
Hello. Can you please point me to the evidence for this claim? I only remember Aster being a creepy weirdo to her because he was a creepy weirdo before Niji too. Everyone else was fine with her talking in voice chat.

>>70430992
?

>>70440798
Reimu is going apeshit slandering Vivi in this thread.
Looks like Vivi is the clique's next target, now that Scarle has been successfully placated.

>>70433159
she's the one who lil bro'd the sockpuppet anti-account when the niji family did their completely organic "we support artists" pr campaign

>>70433159
>>70433585
>>70433678

To be fair (or maybe just a cope), the anon leaker mentioned that other livers were told to retweet the video and many of them did without even watching it or knowing what would be in it. I don't know if that means they retweeted the stream link or if they had an opportunity to watch the obviously prerecorded video before the stream.

Even if we assume leaker is a larp, it would be a plausible scenario that other organs didn't know what the stream was going to be, or even if they knew they retweeted it so as not to cast any suspicion on themselves ("we're doing this to Selen, we'll do it to you too if you step out of line").

>>70435351
I think Vivi's stance is ambiguous. Retweeting the black stream isn't necessarily any indicator given they could be skinwalked or they may not have known what the stream was going to be. She did participate in the "artists" twitter PR campaign where she clapped back against an obvious sock puppet, so there's that.

However, I'd be willing to go easy on the newest NijiEN gen. It's clear they don't have any numbers and the company has fucked them over in terms of promotion. They won't be pulling doki numbers if they get shitcanned, they have the least power and the most to lose so I don't blame them for falling in line.

>98k subs
Riku's getting another play button lol

>>70433585
>management can't skinwalk twice in a row
>also talents wouldn't lie or be forced to lie about skinwalking

I feel bad for the new talents who just got there, had zero support from the company because it's mismanaged as fuck, then also had to deal with it being literally on fire for reasons that happened before they even got there, and who are now caught up in scandal they had nothing to do with.

>>70436226
In this thread, I have defended Vivi and the newbies for retweeting the hostage stream.

However, I'm kinda undecided myself because on the one hand I can totally appreciate the difficulty of their situation. On the other hand: they are still cowards who chose to stand by while one of their own got brutally fucked over by the company. They have the most to lose which I can understand, but also none of them had the spine to do something about it and I don't see that as anything to admire. They made their choice.

>>70434351
Sometimes I wonder why tf did they block and delete the account.
I would've liked seeing Vivi respond to this

>>70442331
It really really looks like a sockpuppet. Which, to be fair, is the smart thing to do if the company/clique mandated that she participate in the PR stunt. She is way smarter than Wilson and Uki in that regard.

>>70441733
>She did participate in the "artists" twitter PR campaign where she clapped back against an obvious sock puppet, so there's that.

how is that bad tho. dude talked shit and got hit. I dont see how thats related to anything.
yeah not just promotion, theyre also in debt cause of debut costs right? vivi and the other new ones cant afford to just martyr themselves for symbolic doki support. Theres no point anyway, because clearly doki doesnt need their support.

>>70442449
You're saying the sockpuppet thing was completely Vivi's idea and not the company/clique's?
Makes sense in hindsight.
But if that's the case, then she is really going the extra mile for her Nijisanji 'family'.

>>70442295
>they are still cowards who chose to stand by while one of their own got brutally fucked over by the company.

wdym their own, why would they break NDA or get terminated over something like that, its not even likely they know what even happened behind the scenes.
also, selen was fucked over by the livers, not by "the company". this isnt something where you can unionize. It was the "union" that made sure selen was chased out.
Realistically, there was no reason for them to do anything after Doki became an indie and broke records, why? she was out, she had all the support in the world. Why do you want the new livers to fall on a sword in a situation where it wouldnt have benefitted anyone at all? thats just retarded. These people have lives and futures too, that doesnt make them cowards, it makes them not-retarded. The real world isnt fucking twitter upvotes, or whatever they have on that site.

>>70442449
>>70442619
Also one thing to note is that:
Vivi starts her tweets in lowercase
Baron starts his in uppercase
Idk if that means anything, but I'd wager they are different people.

>>70439036
official Nijisanji EN FF14 FC

>>70437028
Post yfw Rosemi is still in Nijisanji next year, playing Virtua Fighter 6.

>>70443354
If this retard clique rrat turns out to be true I hope Elira gives us a kino redemption arc.

>>70430992
Most likely, she is in debt for her model. Even if she wanted to leave, she has to pay it off first - and wait in the graduation que. I guess she is not going to fuck Riku to pay it off quicker.

>>70443547
not happening.

>>70443709
>Most likely, she is in debt for her model
>Hey Vivi, come to Japan, company will pay for your travel and stay
>Several months later
>Ooops...we forgot to tell you, but if you don't renew your contract you'll have to pay them back
Would be hilariously scummy, but I'm sure it's illegal.

>>70433159
>retweet black screen stream
>participate in a whitewashing PR scheme in an attempt to cover up what they did to her

>bububu they HAD to do it
No they didnt, Vox said you can leave at any time , right?
Go fuck yourself Vivi you backstabbing piece of shit.

>>70443641
write us a sample of what you want to happen or how you want it to play out

>>70443960
I have no fucking idea. Also I prefer if none of it is actually true.

>>70443547
most unrealistic part would be SEGA still giving a shit about Virtua Fighter

>>70443547
SEGA are already extremely pissed off about all the shit they're getting over their Niji PSO2 collab compared to all the love they got for their hololive collabs

>>70443960
Nta but,
She could come back and accept that she was the acting manager or at least had sizeable influence on the projects in the en branch.
The delay and cancellation of projects were ultimately the result of jp mgmt not bothering with the en branch, but she made utmost effort to keep the en projects alive.
She can accept that she overreacted to the mv situation and it was wrong of her to organise a campaign with other members telling Selen to quit, despite knowing that she is one of the most hardworking people there.
She could issue a formal apology to Dokibird and wish her happiness.
She could accept that the recent events might have painted her in a bad light, she might lose a sizeable viewership, but streaming/vtubing is her job and she would like to move on and continue doing her job.
All of these would've have been so much easier to digest if not for the black stream. But the black stream is also the reason she is under fire

>>70443795
When Tsukino Mito (one of their OG livers), left Nijisanji, she complained about, among things:


>The company making livers foot the bill for their own model without telling them beforehand.
>Lack of management and support.
>Nijisanji pitting the livers against each other, creating a hostile workplace.

It is a common tactic in the Middle-East too, you fly poor workers in from India and Asia, then they OWE you for the trip there, for the food and board - and then you take their passports and saddle them with debt. It is modern day slavery, with a few extra steps to give it an air of legitimacy.

>>70444157
There's no neutral outcome to this anon. The die is cast. Its either Doki turns out to be a lying menhera/bi-po or Elira, Millie, and Enna are bullies

>>70444907
Where's the part here where she does a naked dogeza? It's very important.

>>70445018
Members only stream

>>70444933
>Tsukino Mito
Yuki Chihiro was the one that quit, but fair point.

>>70444933
She left? She has a stream from 3 days ago.
Are you talking about the union type revolt in 2018?

>>70430992
betrayed her oshi how, exactly? KYS op, Vivi is great. I know you can't stop seething that niji is fine and the drama is forgotten, but too bad. OH NO NO DOKIFAGS, DONT LOOK! Everyone has moved on.

>>70444907
That's cool and all, but that's a statement, not a kino redemption arc.

>>70445157
Is the image labeled KEK because there are only 8 livers in the image instead of 30 because the other ~20 are still showing negative sub growth?

>>70430992
>after ninisanji's cut, vivi's career sc earnings are about as much as my broke ass makes in one paycheck
Jesus I feel bad now

>>70443010
> why would they break NDA or get terminated over something like that
Why would you break NDA or get terminated over a colleague, possibly friend or in Vivi's case role model, getting harassed to the point of suicide? Yeah, I wonder why, not like there's anything morally outrageous that happened.
>also, selen was fucked over by the livers, not by "the company"
That's a contentious point innit? Even Nijisanji's statement is misleading due to it being harassment by livers "due to mismanagment" and the black screen stream seemed to point the example to the music video upload which would be a management issue.
And either way, it doesn't matter.
>Why do you want the new livers to fall on a sword in a situation where it wouldnt have benefitted anyone at all? thats just retarded
Doing nothing benefits Nijisanji. If other livers are also bullies, it benefits them too. Doing nothing benefits the people who perpetrated this wrongdoing. Even le retard de vox akuma himself brought up the idea of how he once thought of "graduating in solidarity" of Selen. That's totally something he could do now if he meant anything of what he said, it's something anyone could do if his words have any truth about "you can graduate at any time".
>These people have lives and futures too, that doesnt make them cowards
Sure, it's a difficult choice and one I definitely wouldn't be able to make because I'll readily admit that I'm a huge coward. But that just lets the company and/or the bullies continue to harm other people with no repercussion. They could've done something to help her "graduate in solidarity" like Vox mentioned.

Yes I recognize how unreasonable this line of thinking is, but in their field where their whole job is to receive donations from parasocial fans reputation is important. And they've just taken a blanket reputation torpedo by doing nothing, one that will follow them at least in some small part even if they leave. I think there is an argument that quitting in solidarity would've been a big gamble but not a stupid one.
And anyway, I've only been thinking about it because that ultra faggot Vox brought it up in the first place for brownie points. That's the kind of fake appeal to morality that comes from a spineless worm that only cares about themselves. It's fine if you're that kind of person, but if your job is to get people to like you enough to throw money at you, then getting outed as a shitstain of a human is kinda a bad career move.

>>70445490
the funniest part is how Enna and Elira actually lost more subs than Selen

>>70445566
Poor girl, but also, blackscreen fluffer

>>70445566
It's not exactly true, she also made about $180 in Streamlabs (although I'm not sure how the cut goes on that one).

>>70445184
For a kino redemption arc, you would have to be misunderstood and not completely at fault.
Sayu might have one, but I doubt Elira gets to have one.
She is also the lame evil type and not the cool one. She has to work with whatever she's got.
Unless she continues to slander Doki and succeeds at one point, thereby clearing her name and her branch's reputation in one go.
At this point in the game, there can only be one winner, and odds are heavily against her.
She can leave the game and cut her losses, but if she wants to continue playing, she has to come up with a big hand to completely overturn the tide and public opinion.

I hope she has a long career in NijEN and all her superchats and memberships are paid for in ARS

>>70433085
>>70433132
Seethe more sisters

>>70445702
>For a kino redemption arc, you would have to be misunderstood and not completely at fault.
Not exactly true, especially when the guy above her is running a black company.
>She is also the lame evil type and not the cool one. She has to work with whatever she's got.
I dunno, her working for a greater evil is true. All the bullshit alleged in EN has been going in JP, so at worst she just took advantage of Riku's shitty business practices.
>Sayu might have one, but I doubt Elira gets to have one.
Sayu got a vindication arc, not a redemption arc.

>>70443887
>Vox said
... That fag said that to show that the talents have "the freedom" of choice but actually choose to stay. He was lying through his teeth.

I wonder if Vivi seethes every time she's /here/ and sees the threads taking the piss out of her, realizing how delulu she was for believing she could get killed by a shooting star on apex

>>70431782
That was her manager

>>70430992
I am not sure Vivi has much choice.

Every day looks the same, even here.

>>70433585
skin walker says he aint skinwalking lmao next you are going to tell me the indian scammers are trusthworthy laundry machine insurance sellers because they deny being scammers

>>70446334
I don't know why you guys are so desperate to push this when Ren very publicly debunked it.

>>70446334
The sisters can't ever seem to get a consistent story on skinwalking.
Selen in hospital and suspended
>Oh management unsuspended her for a day and let her tweet. They never skinwalk
Every cumguzzler in NijiEN that retweeted the blackbox stream
>management skinwalked/forced them.
Fucking hell get your stories straight so it's at least believable. No wonder you lot lost to the Gurrat

>>70444907
>She could come back and accept that she was the acting manager or at least had sizeable influence on the projects in the en branch.
they will never allow her to confirm something like that

>>70445566
Do we publicly know how much Anycolor takes from SCs? Youtube took 1600 bucks so there's about 3740 left between her and the company. I assume she hasn't bad jack shit off her debut merch (the shitty standard acrylic stand) so whatever cut she got from that is what she earned in total, one or two thousand bucks for 4 months. Jesus fucking christ.

>>70430992
>vivi
>who
Anon why do we care about her again?

>>70432563
That she* (vivi) made, kek. Learnt from master Elira, the best.

>>70445632
>Yeah, I wonder why, not like there's anything morally outrageous that happened.
theyre not drama vtubers anon. This is just stupid. Imagine throwing away your career and possibly your future because twatter thinks its the right thing to do. The whole thing was over, NDAs and contracts are in place. Nobody is going to ruin their own life and career for someone that was wronged but doesnt need or want help anymore.
>That's a contentious point innit?
no. Vox mentioned that.
>it's something anyone could do if his words have any truth about "you can graduate at any time".
they obviously dont? also, its likely that the next 2 female livers that graduate have done exactly that.
>They could've done something to help her "graduate in solidarity" like Vox mentioned.
how do we know they didnt? if anyone put in papers in february, they would still have to wait. Also youre assuming they have absolute knowledge. Do you really think this happened in complete honesty and openness? Ive been in that situation, I lost everything, Sayu style, but including my home, my pets and my physical health. Nobody cared, even most of my friends didnt.
>one that will follow them at least in some small part even if they leave.
that is VASTLY better than being terminated and then sued for breaking NDA and contract and becoming a pariah in the professional scene loaded with massive debt and fines. Only time will tell how this ends, but if youre not clique and theres no direct dirt on you, if you keep distance until you graduate or your contract ends, youre better off. Its naive to want justice through the weakest actors in this situation. Why should they take the fall?

>ITT: People in this thread not knowing what a termination is
Termination is when the company wants to cut contact with you. There are other clauses in the contract for when the company wants you to do X, instead of cutting contact with you. Cutting contact with you does not achieve X. Breaking the contract in such a manner can have heavy consequences.

>>70447843
>Imagine throwing away your career and possibly your future
sister, niji and its talents are being publicly blacklisted from the industry, anyone staying there is the one destroying their future
Nobody wants to hire bullies who cause massive PR shitstorms and make life hell for other people

>>70434351
you(herself)
sigh.... Millie trying too hard

>>70447843
>Its naive to want justice through the weakest actors in this situation. Why should they take the fall?
NTA, but this is a solid point anon. We do not know what is going on behind the scene, and I've had to stand in support of shit / shitty people I did not agree with, because it was work - so that is relatable to me at least.

She did not make this mess, and it is sad that people are trying to tar her in association. Wish the Nijisanji viewers would stop their campaign and let things calm down. Because that is how you fix this, by letting people cool down first. The only ones who benefit from whipping up the animosity towards either side, are the drama fags, and to some extend Niji's competitors in the market. And they have been eating good for weeks now. Thanks for being a reasonable voice in this place.

>>70448765
Aster is that you? *sigh*

>>70447497
>Master Elira
I want Sith Elira to force choke me while calling me "bestie".

>>70447147
That isn't including the vods ad revenue, right? Do we know how much Youtube takes from that?

>>70430992
SEA SIRs really cant live without drama, huh? Now that Pomu is goine vivi seems to be their new seeth target...

>>70449670
Ad revenue is from what I've been told is per 1000views, highest I know of is 10-12USd/1000 views and I've seen as low a 4c/1000views and YT takes 30-45%.

>>70448689
>sister
not everyone that tells you youre stupid is ndf anon, sometimes we just try to help you out so you can grow you doublenigger. Im team sayu and team doki. That doesnt mean I will just assume random livers should commit career sudoku so you can get your dopaminerush. vtubers are people, I wish for everyone that has not bullied anyone to get out of this with as little damage as possible.
>niji and its talents are being publicly blacklisted from the industry
fanfiction. This will only apply to the ones that leave with that stain. Elira, enna, millie, reimu, vox and probably aster are confirmed. They didnt even pariah kyo and hes an absolute slimeball as well as clique, and Im not seeing Nina blacklisted anywhere either. Those not affiliated with Clique will get out of it fine.
>Nobody wants to hire bullies
true. But most people have an iq above roomtemperature.
you either dont understand whats going on, or youre being retarded on purpose. I dont think anyone that doesnt renew contract and doesnt get directly implicated will get blacklisted afterwards anywhere. But even if they were, thats still better than getting terminated and sued into oblivion for NDA breach. Youd still get blacklisted, and on top of that run around with massive debt

>>70448872
thanks anon. I may be an autist, but sometimes I manage to harness the weaponized kind. I agree with everything you said, and I also feel like that the ones arguing against it are still in highschool. Corpos are businesses, not bestfriend clubs (except for elira enna and millie rip)

>>70432563
imagine believing the most obvious false flage sockpuppet acc lmao

>>70447843
>throwing away your career and possibly your future because twatter thinks its the right thing to do
Nobody should give a fuck what twatter thinks is the right thing to do. It's about what YOU think is the right thing to do, where you would draw the line based on your own morals.
>no. Vox mentioned that.
What? Vox talked about Selen not playing well with management and the rules, what are you talking about?
>they obviously dont? also, its likely that the next 2 female livers that graduate have done exactly that.
If they "obviously don't" then Vox is full of shit and anything he says can be discarded. Also, if the graduation queue is real then the people who graduate next could've applied a year ago.
>Ive been in that situation, I lost everything, Sayu style, but including my home, my pets and my physical health. Nobody cared, even most of my friends didnt.
That sucks anon, genuinely I'm sorry that happened to you and I hope you're doing well now. I don't think it was fair that you didn't get the help you needed. But I don't think it should be that way for everyone, I'd rather treat others better than the way I've been treated in the past.
>Its naive to want justice through the weakest actors in this situation. Why should they take the fall?
This is fair and I did acknowledge that. We don't know the full situation so it's premature to make any judgment. But in an industry where personal reputation is important to your brand, it's a bad look for anyone who remains in NijiEN for much longer when they've had two colleagues fired and slandered in an attempt to ruin their career.
I'm just saying I can see the argument for people who are angry that the remaining talent haven't been seen to be doing anything, not to improve the company or to help people who should have been their friends.

>>70434697
you do know that 200k is from her bank account right? while her earning last year wont even close to cover it,thats how low niji organ earn lmao

>>70434971
no shes definitely not the bully,BUT she already made her choice,you can see the clear difference of vivi,scarle and rosemi,scarle and rosemi keep it neutral play the safe zone,vivi on the other hand choose to sucking those retarded sister,she already made her choice

>>70430992
Is 5k in superchats not good? I'm confused.

>>70437328
bunch of idiots on western retardation land(twitter,twitch) fell for "FREEDOM,HIPSTER,DEFINITELY NOT IDOL" without knowing that the idol one is clear as "idol" while the "freedom" one is full of shit and they learn the HARD way.
the fact that not a single holoEN leave because the company life is bad,while niji BLEEDING talent.

>>70445157
>niji is fine
you either huffing some fucking copium or blind or both

>>70445157
>Image labeled KEK
>The only one gaining minimal sub are those who are streaming as everyone else is on panic hiatus
If this is your definition of fine, I'm scared to think what you consider bad

>>70450601
>It's about what YOU think is the right thing to do
no it isnt. thats not how the world works. What anyone thinks is the right thing to do in any given situation is HEAVILY dependant on available information, its nice to think differently, but especially in social settings, most of the time you just dont know. Im going to assume youre a guy, guys are usually easier to deal with, theyre more direct and easier to read. mean girls cliques function differently.
>What?
Wasnt it Vox that said livers did contact Selen after the MV and that it wasnt harassment in his opinion?
>If they "obviously don't" then Vox is full of shit and anything he says can be discarded. Also, if the graduation queue is real then the people who graduate next could've applied a year ago.
you are correct. however, if its Rosemi or Petra or both, as has been heavily suggested, its very likely them resigning is very likely connected to the Japan collab. Especially in Rosemis case. That was like in early November right? theres a screenshot from that somewhere floating around here, you ll get what I mean when you see it.
>I'd rather treat others better than the way I've been treated in the past.
I absolutely agree with you anon. Im all in on this because Im team Sayu and this cant happen again. My point was not that nobody helped me though, my point was that my direct abuser was able to control the narrative to the point where people thought I was the insane one, maybe even the violent one, even though I ended up in the ICU. Doki was fine by the time the blackstreamvideo became a PRcatastrophe. Its very likely that especially the new waves didnt actually know how fucking bad it was before then. Clique will have played their game with lies, secrecy and deceit. Thats how Narcs work, they do this stuff their entire lives, and while they do make mistakes, they are very good at divide and conquer. Assuming that people like Vivi knew the full extend of what was happening before the blackstream is assuming that clique was utterly incompetent on their hometurf, which is unlikely, considering we know they successfully isolated the most successful female liver in the branch.

>>70450074
Yes of course, you can see how companies like HYTE and Mihoyo blacklisted Doki and Sayu, while HYTE totally kept their contract with niji
cope more faggot, you'll see over time how much niji have been blacklisted and you can seethe and cope over it

>>70451415
>HYTE blacklisted Doki

https://x.com/hytebrand/status/1755306063115788503?s=20

Jobless monkey, is that you? This feels familiar.

>>70451415
>goalpost
we re talking about livers. Of course niji is blacklisted, but do you really think rosemi or vivi would be blacklisted when they graduate? For what reason? they didnt hurt anyone. Not even fucking KYO whos literally clique and openly bullied sayu is blacklisted anywhere. Even the dramatubers are sucking his dick for free. And he isnt even innocent.

>>70447843
>career and possibly your future
lol,lmao even,what career? just look at doki,oh before you go "doki is buffed by dramafag blablabla" fine,look at sayu,sayu wasnt pulling HIGH number but they are the same as current niji if not bigger because? well SHE IS FULLY INDIE,no anykuro bullshit 2%,no anykuro bullshit 36 hours to reply a fuckng message,no other bullshit,yeah,thats sayu who is hated,attacked and harrased by nijisister FOREVER,how is that possible? REAL FANS will follow you anon,thats why cover or any other normal corpo not treating their talent like shit,they want these vtuber stay,unlike niggersanji.

>>70451415
nigga not just wrong
they gone full retard

>>70451415
>giving a shit about hyte
?

>>70451550
stupid take. Sayu didnt break NDA and didnt get sued into oblivion. Neither did doki. if a liver now breaks NDA and spills all the beans to "support doki" theyre going to get fucked hard. I dont understand why you cant get this into your brain.

>>70451572
learn to read faggot.

>>70451644
Oh my god it is you, those answers were completely unrelated to what was said and prove an absolute lack of reading comprehension. Humanity once again can witness it's de-evolution.
Tell me, did you learned what is a contract while back in your not-house?

>>70451758
funnily enough, I know who youre talking about I was in that thread too. But no that wasnt me, and I did not agree with them either I do not run NDF operations, I tell them theyre retarded. its ironic that you dont realize that the antivivigrift is the new flavour they are using.
also, the lack of reading comprehension is yours. I suggest going up and actually reading what this is about. Its not about leave corpo or dont leave corpo, its about breaking NDA while employed and spilling all the beans to help doki, or whatever, and then getting sued to death because anons here are retarded. Idk what you think youre talking about, but you lost the plot.

>>70451370
>no it isnt. thats not how the world works. What anyone thinks is the right thing to do in any given situation is HEAVILY dependant on available information
You're right, not disagreeing there. But we can assume that they know what we know.
From a moral perspective, it's clear that Dokibird (and Sayu in the past) have been unfairly fucked over by the company and/or whoever made the decisions for NijiEN. If you're a liver and you cared about her in the way that your online interactions portrayed to the audience, you should feel an outrage at what happened... assuming you're not just faking your entire online personality and social interactions.
And from a pragmatic perspective, it's clear the public has sided with Doki and have painted NijiEN (indeed, many people painting ALL of NijiEN) as the villain. It's a risk to leave now, but it's also a risk to stay and be tainted by this bad reputation
>Wasnt it Vox that said livers did contact Selen after the MV and that it wasnt harassment in his opinion?
He did, but that's not the only point of harassment. Dokibird's statement even said it was a long build up, did you really think she attempted suicide over just that? Management have been fucking with her projects for the last year, see the Fall Guys tournament and outfit art contest.
> Clique will have played their game with lies, secrecy and deceit. Thats how Narcs work, they do this stuff their entire lives, and while they do make mistakes, they are very good at divide and conquer.
Good point and interesting insight. Only thing I'll say there though is that Vivi and the rest will at least know as much as we know, they can see everything happening in public (and are probably right here). NijiEN's/Elira's attempt to control the narrative has utterly failed so far. There is enough public information to paint a different narrative of what happened, and at some point they will be responsible for making their own choices.

>>70451370
>narcs
Their action doesn't look like it. People tend to love taking a side and not waiting for new clues to pick up. What we thought we knew might not be what really happend. They may look suspect at one point, but the next time every assumption you had had may turn completely upside down.

>>70452171
>It's a risk to leave now, but it's also a risk to stay and be tainted by this bad reputation
wait I didnt say to not leave, I said to not publicly fry the company before youve left, while youre under NDA and contract because you will get legally fried. I am all for leaving as soon as possible, but this discussion was originally about why they didnt spill the beans before or around the blackstream video, to which I said, that before the video, at least the newer waves were almost certainly not aware, so why expect them to suicide their careers and their futures by spilling all of nijis secrets BEFORE or DURING the blackstream, but BEFORE the gurrat? that was the original point.
>did you really think she attempted suicide over just that?
uhh... no? why would I? I was just responding to someone saying that this is speculative (that livers harassed her directly), to which I said its not, vox admitted it and you agreed now, so Ive made my point. That there was more stuff going on is obvious, but I only needed one point to prove it and vox words seemed like a good way to do it.
>for the last year
have a cute rrat: I bet it had something to do with Noor leaving NijiEN around February 2023.
>is that Vivi and the rest will at least know as much as we know
yes, now. But not before the blackstream video, which is what this was about.

>>70452272
very good. I didnt go into this because I didnt think anyone cared. But narcissistic tendencies are present in a lot of different types of mental disorders, its not just NPD, but also cptsd type 1, BPD and others. Full narcs are relatively rare. Groupdynamics, where multiple people contribute different forms of negativity towards one target dont even need a narc to conjure similar results. Just put a sociopath, a fawn, a classic leader type and some envy into a group of girls and you get similar results to what we have seen. real hardcore narcs are much worse in my experience. I barely survived, and I dont mean suicide.

>>70451498
>ESL cant into sarcasm
many such cases

>>70430992
>betrayed

If you work with your oshi you would realize how they actually are IRL, she realized that Selen is a BPD bitch that is bad to have near.

>>70451599
I dont think you know just how well connected the CEO of HYTE is

>>70452744
If you think Elira was the leader. You may be wrong. At best she's a scapegoat (which explains the behaviour of NijiEN). Everything has been done all painted towards her being the problem. Nobody suspected that LK and leaker san are part of the clique (supposed that it's real). They literally are all telling half truth.

>>70453243
Or maybe Elira wanted it to be that way. Call me crazy but I think she knows how damage it would cause doing what she did. It's not just some narc or highschool clique.

In Vivis defence, her contract just started if she wants to quit she'd probably be on the hook for minimum $10K (model+rigging) + damages/early exit penalties. As for clapping back at the tweet that was a personal attack on her, rather than attack on the company even if was likely an astroturfed attempt. I can't explain the retweet thing other than company mandated.
It's unlikely NijiEN will get away from this unscathed, at the very least internal management structure will be changed, but a lot of the top female talents are in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons - Elira, Enna & Millie in particular so their futures are in doubt long term. Rosemi has massive question marks about her future if rumours are to be believed. That leaves Scarle (who also might go)as the top female. If I'm Vivi or Kunai sticking around is an option - don't rock the boat, keep her head down, do her job to the best of your ability and hopefully with a bit of luck you win by default because all her competition internally is gone. Only leaving the runts like Aia, Reimu from the earlier gens and to their credit they're far more entertaining than them. If I was one of the female talents it'd be building a support base internally and trying to politic my way into a more favourable position, if I can't get out of my contract right now. If you're a newer talent you really don't have the stigma of the older gens. When there's 3-4 months to go on their contracts they should start making exit plans if the conditions aren't favorable. NijiEN might be radioactive now, but a few bloodlettings and savvy PR moves(not sure if NijiEN is even capable of this though YIKES!) and they can at least get to neutral standing to the public. (They'll always be cunts to anyone with a functioning brain /here/ though). If they are around and manage to stabilise the situation Anycolor will be indebted to them for helping stabilise the branch and might send them their play buttons.

>>70452744
>wait I didnt say to not leave, I said to not publicly fry the company before youve left, while youre under NDA and contract because you will get legally fried.
Ah, perhaps there was a misunderstanding along the way. My first comment (with the pic) was a more general statement about how some might expect the remaining talent to do, something. Not spilling any secrets or frying the company, but something as simple as a walk-out or quitting in solidarity (exactly what Vox brought up in the black stream to make himself look good).
> I was just responding to someone saying that this is speculative (that livers harassed her directly)
You said more than that, you said:
>>also, selen was fucked over by the livers, not by "the company"
>>NOT by "the company"
I was responding to the assertion that Nijisanji itself is blameless, which it clearly isn't. I don't believe the GURRAT is confirmed, so management is to blame for Selen's projects getting fucked over and the slander that came after her firing. If the GURRAT is real, Nijisanji is still to blame for allowing a clique to take over NijiEN. Riku takes the money, he has to take responsibility for the fuckup.
>yes, now. But not before the blackstream video, which is what this was about.
Well this IS about the blackstream video, the comment I responded to you is this one >>70436226 which is clearly about the blackstream video and how other anons were judging the livers who chose to retweet it. You may have confused me for the second post you quoted, I was responding to the first topic.

>>70453243
where do you take that from? Seems mostly made up.
yes LK is clique, no, leaker-san is not.
Elira is with almost absolute certainty the liason and the nominally most powerful cliquemember, but its definitely possible that socially within the clique, elira was more influenced by enna, reimu or millie than we realise
>which explains the behaviour of NijiEN)
if you assume eliras primary goal was not getting sued and her secondary goal was not getting terminated, her actions make sense, and the result of what happened, at least so far, prove her right.

>>70453243
I highly doubt that a clique would start setting her up for as a scapegoat from 2+years ago by giving her all the merch opportunities, which is one of the biggest hurdles you have to clear

>>70453705
Anon, you get offered something and you'll have to sacrifice something in return, you don't get everything for free. It was done most likely as a preplan, if X happens then I would use Y as a shield is common.

>>70453476
>>>NOT by "the company"
its a black company of course, but I dont like it when people go like it was "the company" to point out that selen and sayu were shot in the back by the shadows within the company and not by fellow livers. The inmates are running the asylum. I dont think theres much room to deny this.
I consider the gurrats core to be confirmed, because this has happened before, in NijiKR, also Noor, a talent, has been manager before. Then there is all of eliras nepohires. And we arent even talking about leaker-san here, who I believe is trustworthy, though, there is no absolute proof.
But yes, the clique is the result of complete management failure, which led to a powervacuum. If you think about it, the beginnings of the clique as liason couldve been completely harmless, genuinely forming a union for the good of the livers in the branch to get management to finally do their fucking job, at least sometimes. I think it was a bandaid, that ended up festering with corruption over time.
>which is clearly about the blackstream video
correct. But I doubt most livers, especially the ones that werent clique, had any idea what exactly was going to be said.

>>70453705
dont forget elira nepohiring enna and millie years ago as well. Also, wasnt she the leader in hanamori too?

>>70454011
2+years is a long time for a payoff. I've been in many offices, I've seen the worst of of the worst. And not one of these scenarios involve equivalent exchange. Office politics isn't fucking Full Metal Alchemist

>>70454013
>But I doubt most livers, especially the ones that werent clique, had any idea what exactly was going to be said.
I agree on that in other posts I've made. One of the leakers suggested the talent may have had the choice to look at what was in the video (as they also said it was a prerecorded video) but many chose to retweet it without looking.
Basically, I'm devil's advocating for the people who wanted to see more action and solidarity. Up to a point a general sort of ignorance can be forgiven. But after all that's happened, you can't use the ignorance excuse anymore. They surely have seen the other side of the story playing out in public even one or two days after the black screen stream, anything that does or doesn't happen after that is their own choice.

I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect anyone to quit their job and face financial uncertainty over this, but a part of me also doesn't think it's fair or reasonable to stand by and let someone I would consider a friend get fucked over this badly and not doing anything about it (assuming of course, anyone still in the company does actually think of her as a friend).

>>70454013
>But yes, the clique is the result of complete management failure, which led to a powervacuum. If you think about it, the beginnings of the clique as liason couldve been completely harmless, genuinely forming a union for the good of the livers in the branch to get management to finally do their fucking job, at least sometimes. I think it was a bandaid, that ended up festering with corruption over time
I think you are getting closer to the truth.

>>70454280
If you consider 2+ as long. I have seen something similar happens as 20+ years. Chinese people tend to making scheme long term, even scamming people.

>>70443641
She doesn't fly with her legs stretched back? Weird.

>>70430992
I believe Vivi more than I believe Doki.

>>70453467
Scarle and Aia got 1000 subs each yesterday, I really doubt they're going
The thing is that most of them absolutely do not have the chops to make it on their own, Rosemi does but is a complete mystery what she's thinking at any time
She seems perfectly happy there but if she actually graduates that's the "canary in the cole mine" moment, since practically everyone else who graduated were more mentally volatile or ambitious than her
Pomu and her are basically the Fubukis of EN

Pomu graduating signals the end of ambitious people in EN, Rosemi signals the end of EN, period, like there is something severely wrong that only the fans of the boys and Elira's clique can ignore and not brush off on Doki being menhera

I don't think there will be any graduations for a while though and as someone who actually watches NijiEN (lol) the GURRAT smells of utter bullshit and if anyone has a secret part-time manager position it's Petra

>>70431386
He has a LOT of fucking channels. I only know of his WoW, YGO, Pokémon, and Magic ones. He probably has more.

>>70454013
As the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

>>70454637
Because this is in the West, they're in the entertainment industry with a limited shelf life. they're not in a job that goes for 40+years to get a payoff. A 2year plan is already a losing proposition, let alone a 20 year one. Use your brain

>>70454918
If anything. The second maybe third person that is still somewhat safe after the NijiEN dissolve will be Petra, after Rosemi and Scarle. While Elira will have to tank 90% the hatred.

Dramabirds are the most mental fanbase on this board and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

>>70454414
>They surely have seen the other side of the story playing out in public even one or two days after the black screen stream, anything that does or doesn't happen after that is their own choice.
sure but at that point, theres no reason for them to martyr themselves as anons further up were demanding. Itd be much better to salvage their careers instead of standing up for doki at that point, who had already won the fight for public opinion and there wasnt a lawsuit coming. there was an internal investigation going on by then, and the livers were gagged on the issue according to leaker-san, which tracks with what happened. Remember these people are mostly coworkers, not exactly close friends.
>But after all that's happened, you can't use the ignorance excuse anymore.
I agree, but afterwards, it was obvious that doki didnt need help anymore, so why suicide? The time to stand by doki was before the termination notice, and ideally in private, not publicly.
>face financial uncertainty over this
I think wed have seen a few instant graduations if it was just an income thing. But the fines on contracts for undue selftermination etc. are probably scary af.

>>70454918
Scarle and Rosemi can easily make it on their own.
>Rosemi does but is a complete mystery what she's thinking
shes a good egg, she has my absolute trust. pink woman good. I expect her graduating by may. maybe a bit earlier if she gets lucky.
>Petra
Petra is allegedly pretty checked out and might end up leaving the industry entirely. Apparently she was doing manager stuff at some point, helping clique, but she withdrew from that at some point. Leaker-san did not disclose the reason for why petra didnt do management stuff anymore. but her PL was not happy about what was happening in januar.

>>70455067
yeah, though I think the intentions turned bad once they realized how much power they had. probably peaked around sayu execution.

>>70430992
how much money have you spent on your oshi anon

>>70454443
appreciate the vote of confidence. Ive made this point multiple times before but it usually gets ignored. Finally senpai noticed me

>>70430992
Although Vivi may not have taken part in the bullying and harassment based on the fact that she is new, her actions tend me to believe that she might be pro clique.
I feel like she is comfortable sacrificing her way of thinking, her beliefs in favor of appeasing the clique; sort of getting into their good graces.
Unlike Scarle she doesn't seem to be the type to stay away from the clique and do her own thing. If one of the leaks are to be believed, the artist thing was something a bunch of livers decided to do. Safe to assume it was a decision made by the clique, and Vivi proactively took part in it.
Maybe because she is new, on the bottom rung and doesn't want to make her life a living hell, she may think she has no choice. Maybe she is right, I don't know if I would have done any different.
The thing is, if and when, this thing blows over, with the clique unharmed, a day might come when someone else is bullied and a victim of power harassment. And when that day comes, Vivi might find herself complicit.
Idk if Vivi was ever a good person, but on that day it will be too late for her to turn back.

Elira paired with savior complex and hatred for nijisanji's management lead to her doing everything to ruin its reputation while sacrifice her own
.

I have never seen so many people be so retarded that they speculate and guess how much money a person gets just to make fun of them because they're "broke" in their fanfiction. Do you honestly think she wouldn't have spoken about being broke or getting evicted if you actually think she makes less than rent a month?

>>70456637
We have Anycolor financial report faggot, we know how much remuneration Riku paid to his livers.
Also 5k in total SC is fucking pathetic

>>70455490
>Itd be much better to salvage their careers instead of standing up for doki at that point,
>The time to stand by doki was before the termination notice, and ideally in private, not publicly.
These all make sense from a pragmatic standpoint. But... for me at least, part of the appeal of vtubers is a person trying to sell themselves, like any streamer. Sell the idea that you like the person in front of a camera, that you think they're cool. That they are friends with their coworkers which is why they collab and hangout and such. NijiEN was big on the whole "family' thing.
This incident more than anything has broken that illusion. In the case of Vivi, how am I supposed to reconcile that a vtuber who joined the company to be with a person they admired, is now just going to stand by silently and allow that person to get destroyed by bullies. That she managed to bounce back doesn't suddenly make it okay that it happened to begin with. Sure there could be things said in private, but we can't see those things so they don't exist. How does the viewers reconcile the image of the vtubers they were sold on with the reality that three of those vtubers threw a colleague under the bus and the rest are all wearing fake smiles acting like nothing happened? If they want their old viewers back they have to do SOMETHING to mend the illusion.

I'm not saying this is exactly what I feel, but I get it. The illusion and trust has been broken and for a lot of people it's not going to be mended by just memoryholing this whole incident.
> But the fines on contracts for undue selftermination etc. are probably scary af.
Assumptions. They could just get themselves fired, no worse than what Sayu or Selen went through.

>>70456894
>NijiEN was big on the whole "family' thing.
I dont know why, maybe Im projecting, but that was always a massive red flag for me.

>is now just going to stand by silently and allow that person to get destroyed by bullies.
but she wasnt destroyed by bullies, we also dont know what happened internally. Keep in mind this isnt a highschool bully incident, this is essentially the equivalent of your boss (helpers) and big boss conspiring to make everyone think selen is hard to deal with, that shes unreasonable, and that what she does makes life harder for everyone. yeah you can stand up after the blackstream, once you know, if you want. But whats the point? Like what would you try to accomplish?
>and the rest are all wearing fake smiles acting like nothing happened
I dont think thats necessarily entirely true, and I think that sooner or later, we will see the results of that.
>no worse than what Sayu or Selen went through.
oh man, that phrasing anon, selen was lucky in retrospect because niji selfowned so hard she won by default, but she clearly suffered a lot before that. Sayu got doxxed and to this day is pretty isolated. Like, have you been watching her? Id do a lot to have a 1on1 conversation with her about what happened, because I feel shes still stuck inside it. I hope to god she isnt the one that will give the dramatubers ammunition. I want niji and clique sunk, but I dont want sayu to go back into the trenches. She has suffered enough.
I appreciate your positive perception of life and the belief in that much morality in people. I dont think thats realistic, but my life admittedly sucked a lot. Maybe Im the one walking around with grey tinted glasses and its not actually as bad as it looks.
I dont know about vivi, she could go either way. Im just against judging her to be clique before she does anything to deserve it. The fact that SEAclowns are pushing these threads so hard now makes me think shes likely the next target. Rosemi is too experienced, too powerful and probably too fed up to fuck with her. Scarle already proved shell fuck their shit up if they push her again. Vivi might be the sacrificial lamb that gets singled out, simply because of her oshis. Otherwise I dont know why the NDF switched from spamming pink woman bad (pink woman good, if there was any doubt) threads to vivi bad threads

>>70454918
>Rosemi signals the end of EN
Your whore leaving doesn't signal shit rosefag. Pomu leaving and Selen getting terminated signaled compelte and utter destruction of nijisharten including your pink whore.

>>70431386
Duelogs I remember liking Rosemi and Suisei too. Is he going to save Nova?

>>70430992
>sees the SC numbers
YIKES

>>70456607
>Elira gets terminated or “graduates”
>She reincarnates, collabs with Doki, and shits on Niji
>Total Rrat and Nijisister DESTRUCTION
What will Rrats and Sisters do then?

It's honestly pretty gross how Nijisanji EN used the family narrative to manipulate its livers. From Selen being pushed to suicide over everyone lashing out at her for releasing her MV to Scarle being pressured to "make up" with Aster on stream. No good ever comes from any business pretending it's a family. The massive layoffs happening in the video game industry are proof of that alone.

https://twitter.com/VoidBurger/status/1763611145896612351

>>70455409
Well yeah, it's 80% twitter/rebbit tourists tryign to emulate extremely mentally ill schizo samefags that spend all day writing fanfic

>>70461150
Cool but who the fuck is Voidburger?

Thread is about to die so I'm gonna ask this question incase the leaker appears again

FalseEyeD claims to have information about NijiEN that hes withholding from the public until April. Apparently this information l, should it get out could potentially tank the whole branch. Mysta/Kuro made a post on twitter alluding to this too claiming that whatever happens after it comes out will be impossible to avoid.

A. Are you and all the livers aware of what this might be?
B. Is it actually as bad as they say it is?

>>70461299
Just a relevant tweet about how businesses manipulate their employees with the family bullshit.

>>70461422
Do we really need a relevant tweet from some literal nobody to know that acompany saying
>we're a family
is bad?

>>70459002
That will be the most hilarious shit that could happen.

>>70461323
There's only two things that could permanently tank the company
A. Another suicide attempt, which would cause extreme damage to their perception from fans
B. Proof of lack of payment, which would cause extreme damage to their perception from any and all investors
C. Both.

>>70461645
I think the fans have become numbed to suicide attempts at this point.

>>70447147
They take approx 30%.
Youtube takes 30% and then Anycolor and the organ split the remainder.

>>70445157
So the offcollab was to save Claude's play button? (soon to be part of Riku's wall).

>>70461645
Corporate malfeasance is another. That kills sponsorships stone dead in minor cases (eg misappropriation of funds in small amounts say less than $50k) and kills companies outright in major cases (bribery of public officials as an example). I actually believe the rrat it isn't an ex-liver going to do the damage, it'll be someone else, like a IT guy, artist someone associated but necessarily part of ANycolor

>>70462343
Makes sense. Those people aren't under NDA

>>70461323
I don't think the leaker's coming back so soon. He only came back to clear up some fuckery in the rentry and bounced quick as fuck the last time.

Fucking hell this thread is still up have a nap little guy you've got another big day of proving that you really do have a spine by seething anonymously about her again tomorrow

>>70462785
you got a date when that happened?

>>70462785
>>70463394
ah nvm I can just check the doc
Im sorry, Im retarded

>>70463394
https://rentry.org/nijileaker

>>70430992
She's joining Pomu in VShojo soon

>>70462785
>>70463394
>>70463552
Don't kill yourself when that turns out to be people larping as leakers.

>>70463630
Gunrun isn't going to take a no name like that.

>>70442331
>Your company literally almost killed someone
These people are no different than that soldier who self-immolated in front of the Israeli embassy.
>Someone tried to kill themselves and blamed you, THEREFORE
Nothing. Therefore nothing. If I killed myself and wrote you were responsible, then what? Should people cancel you?

>>70463636
no, thats definitely the real deal.

>>70463552
remember that post you made about how nobody would believe you if you suggested something? you were correct in that assessment, Ive had the same perception for about 2 weeks, just no idea how to tell you

>>70463636
don't tell me what to do, bitch

>>70463636
The leakers have produced assertions that stand up to scrutiny and line up with deductive reasoning.
Conversely, sisters have produced 4(four) rentry documents full of emotional kvetching, gross inaccuracies, and crybully manifestos.

Really makes you think

>>70461804
how they got numbed by attempts from talents that are not their oshis?
you think sisters cared about doki's? Only if a luxnoc do it the bitches would rile against the company
and they need to be successful in their attempt, cause a man "attempting" after a woman will not be taken seriously to the public

>>70463758
but what you will accuse him? Doki accused of harassment and the only thing nijiEN came up with was not denying doing something but calling "That wasn't harassment"

>>70463552
I keep seeing random posts that fit certain patterns during similar times of day. I feel like they can pick me out as well as vice versa now, and I dont wanna call out. But Im pretty sure theres way WAY more posts than we attributed. those were basically just the premium qna and Im annoyed that I missed at least the last 2. thanks for collecting them, I really appreciate.
Did you ever find the original Keep an eye on the rose comment by LK? took me at least 10hrs in archive but I finally found it.

>>70434570
apples to oranges, octavio's a singing homo who does buff karaokes almost every week. vivi doesnt do any similar buff content.

>>70464154
Nah, I am not the archivist, it's another anon. I'd just bookmarked the rentry because I wanna keep tabs on what I miss.
The leaker stated he has made more posts that didn't get attention. So who knows, there could be some juicy posts that flew under the radar.

>>70462343
This is highly not likely as they are a publicly traded company and the penalties are high, look at what happened to Toshiba with its accounting fraud back in 2015, it went into a downward spiral never to recover even though it was one of Japan's largest companies. The only thing that is likely given this situation is financial misappropriation which isn't breaking the law, it would just be not using the funds optimally in this case the clique having more dollars and opportunities spent on its members vs others in the EN branch. Investors would be actually happy if it was recognized and rectified. Apple for example this month said it spent 10 billion dollars over 10 years on their electric car project to have nothing to show and decided to stop it so it could concentrate on AI. The stock popped on the news.

>>70464310
the one that archived also runs a program to analyse posts. I rely on my otherwise useless language degree and the fact that I spent a lifetime on this stupid website. Oh and that I only sleep every 40-50hrs.
If you run into the archive-anon before I do, can you give him this post for me pls?
We were looking for it for AGES at some point. Its not super important, I just hate not finishing stuff and he seemed interested.

>>68921275

>>70464154
Type them out to your own rentry, there are interested people around.

>>70464682
Im sorry anon, Ive no intention of unmasking leaker-san, or increasing their exposure without them stating their wish to be identified. I greatly appreciate them, I will not do anything that endangers them in any way.
I didnt actually save those either, and none of them were massive leaks in any way, except that they were likely typed by the same person based on timing, syntax, choice of words, stuff like that. Ive probably been wrong on a sizeable percentage part as well, because theyre usually maximum two lines.

>>70464154
There have been a lot of posts made not at that time of the day that could look plausible but because it wasn't that time of the day and there wasn't a clearer indication about its content, I am inclined to believe it is more a larp than anything. There are multiple leakers too so it is hard to juggle stuff.
>>70464310
So far, the one that talked internally about the grassroots PR and talked as specific as possible about people internally and others and wanting to correct misinformation in the reentry is the most accurate leaker for the current situation. No other poster that claims insider information comes even close. I also doubt he will leak more unless more things happen regarding NijiEN but I don't believe we will know or hear more until March 14th when Anycolor releases their quarterly financials and has a shareholder meeting.
>>70464667
The original LK leaker was pretty on the nose, the current one feels more like a larp.

>>70464667
Oh, the LK post about the graduations. I didn't even know you were looking for it, it's very easy to find on warosu

>>70464560
With the way it's been described it could be that serious, improbable but not impossible. The apple example is not a good example as that was done in good faith, there was a business case for it at least - the project was just too difficult and not likely to produce meaningful benefit in the long run. It's not like say as a hypothetical example using funds earmarked for IT equipment purchases to buy staff Rolex watches.

>>70465094
How boring, he has hidden his trail tho and the way he said it “other Livers have done worst and management didn't punish them". He is safe for now.

>>70465382
The problem is that misappropriation as it applies to NijiEN's case has more characteristics of "good faith" misappropriation than bad. The money used on expenses were actually expenses, the money did manifest in products and collaborations, and there was a tangible outcome. The only thing the clique has control over here without breaking laws which hasn't been proven is to who to give it to and that is the non-optimal issue of the usage of funds where Pomu and Selen being one of the highest earnings in the branch didn't get enough opportunities and it can be defended with saying it was a strategy, however bad, to promote non-performing talents in the company to make them more like those two and that those two based on how much they brought in "didn't need them".

wtf is this schizo rambling

>>70465214
yeah I was looking for follow the rose though, not keep an eye on, same as archiveanon, so we missed it last time we were looking. I was half sure I dreamt it

>There are multiple leakers too so it is hard to juggle stuff.
whos the third one? do you know of any posts? or do mean feesh posts?

>The original LK leaker was pretty on the nose, the current one feels more like a larp.
LK was considering this a joke probably, a fun game.

Leaker-san I consider to be a genuinely good person, trying to widen our understanding of what happened and cleaning up our ratts, removing the ones with no legs etc.. But if I can figure out who they are as early as a week ago, the other livers surely would be able to. So unless something adds something substantial to what we know, Im not

>>70465549
Im not biting the hand that takes care of my rrats when Im not home anon, I understand the frustration though.

>>70465994
>Im not
going to do anything about posts Id attribute, how did I mess that up wtf

>>70465994
Maybe this larp is the third one, but most likely a larp

>>70466365
This is just some schizo making an educated guess...

>>70465994
>whos the third one? do you know of any posts? or do mean feesh posts?
I should've put "leakers" in quotations but yeah, it's posts like >>70466365 which is nigh larping because it doesn't hold up to plausible scrutiny. Also feesh is being dumb, she isn't going to leak anything if people are expecting her to.
>LK was considering this a joke probably, a fun game.
Maybe given he only really got it right that one time, you are right and possibly Kyo's too with a very generous interpretation but the timing and what happened seemed way too accurate to basically be the equivalent of winning the lottery on something like that. He would've been better off going to Vegas with that prediction luck than waste it on this forsaken board.

>>70466365
oh thanks!
Im pretty sure thats at least not leaker-san.I also dont think this is an insider, unless theyre being halftrue on purpose

>>70466540
oh you ARE here after all

>>70466365
>/vt/ is full of phone posters who believe in every post written on this website
LK sent me.

>>70466693
What? That guy's not even trying to larp...

>>70466673
LK is k y o, he probably just did it for kicks. but the jan 14th leak was pretty impressive, if that was actually him

>>70466867
yeah I agree. Not sure what your point is tho

>>70466986
Bruh my point is this post is not a leaker and should not be confused as one. That's about it.

>>70466986
Which is why I feel like the only issue with the narrative with has been leaked is the fact Kyo would leak to the outside internal stuff in order to help with the grassroots PR campaign. First that is stupid, two, he face revealed so now his entire life's reputation is on the line and three, that effectively nullifies why he left. I think he is smart enough to stay clear of the dumpster fire. Yes, I don't think he was the best person out there but given he graduated without people giving him flak and staying neutral, he played his cards right and came out unscathed. That is a victory.

This threads so long for what again? Do you retards even know what you’re seething about still?

>>70467267
The topic has been changed 4 times now, please read the thread.

>>70467189
>>70467260
alright. sorry I just took meds unironically and my brain is completely banans. Im about to fall asleep

>>70467260
Im salty about the shit he pulled on sayu. but I begrudginly agree.

Don't forget to tell your dad lmfao when he asks if he's ever going to have any grandchildren and then explain to him about all your important work debunking the career of a vtuber on an anonymous image board champ

>>70466986
>>70467260
Why would Kyo leak shit that makes Enna & co. look bad?

>>70467571
I mean, not something hed be surprised by considering my physical health is absolutely miserable. Hed be glad I actually leave the bed sometimes. But yes, I do think going weaponized autism over this topic is worth it. I dont want anyone to get zaioned

>>70467808
what specifically are you talking about? LK mostly dropped dates, or very short info. almost everything big came from leaker-san, including the night of the gurrat. But when I read through the archive, a lot was missatributed to LK that werent actually LKs posts

>>70468016
I'm starting to confuse wh's-who, I don't follow that stuff religiously.

>>70467808
Did you not see how Kyo acted around them during before he graduated? Also I don't think he made them look bad, it was just a statement of what was happening, there was no connotation.
>>70468016
He made graduation notices that were accurate within the month and this big post which is way too specific for something this short to have hit all 4 points accurately given what has played out to not have been an outsider.

>>70468149
Sorry, meant to quote >>70468067

>>70468067
Im putting an embarassing amount of time into it actually and I STILL get my timelines messed up cause I never write anything down and Im a smallbrain

>>70431386
this hirumaredx from top10 WoW content farm?

>>70468283
It's understandable, I track this case for a YouTuber and need to keep my notes at hands reach to not get messed up so bad. Although, it has been amusing how many Livers have been popping up here.

>>70469554
yeah I only realized like around the 18th or 19th feb that I actually cared enough and was too lazy to go back to make a bazillion timestamps, and now I run around with halftruths a lot. this coulda been avoided if I was less of a failure, but alas it led to this. You tracking all rrats, or just the leaker/LK cluster?

>>70469949
>>70469554
oh also, are you into cybersecurity by any chance? you remind me of someone I saw type recently

>>70469949
There could be rrats that I don't know about. Mostly my interests are around LK and L-san, personal fun game is to try find feesh and sort.

>>70470071
Noo cyber security nor Sherlock Llamas ar not close to me.

>>70438203
nigga that isn't true if that was true they would have had a lot more than what is listed here last year 4,383 total revenue 20,451 that's like 21%~ in no world are any of the talents getting 50%.
It's even worse this year 3,230 payout for 3 quarters total revenue of 19,225 so 17%.

But how do you separate the real leaker-kun from larping anons?

>>70470835
LK was accurate to a point, but it's not like he was right about everything. Feb 23 was incorrect as an example. There is no 1 sure way to confirm anything without breadcrumbs from L-san. Not even if you have a pack of llamas.

>>70470625
If some number autist can make this more believable and easier to read, it'd make for a hilarious pasta.

>>70468149
>Millie isn't looking so good, Enna is backing her up though
I never understood what this meant...

>>70471487
if we assume the rrat "millie was the manager in the MV screenshot"
she was probably 1000% having a mental breakdown due to guilty

>>70471745
Screenshots where from slack and not from unofficial discord server. That was not Millie acting as manager.

>>70447147
This is less than my minimum wage part-time. How is this sustainable?

Why are Dookiefags so obsessed with Vivi?

>>70472291
Ask your shitcord, you've been trying to shill her in the catalog for the past two weeks.

>>70472291
This thread isn't about Vivi, this thread is about the viability of joining Nijisanji English.

>>70470835
I dont think Ive crossed anyone that specifically larped as leaker-san yet. Idk, the one time we thought it was suspicious leaker-san easily passed whatever identifying methods anons in thread came up with (which werent that many, but still) Its either the most thoroughly planned out longtime larp Ive ever seen or its for real. Or Im a schizo of course.

>>70471861
come to think of it, was the implication back then that zaions liason was the same person that fucked selen over? I never really understood the connection there.
Were the two first letters K and y?

>>70463758
>If I killed myself and wrote you were responsible, then what? Should people cancel you?
Try it and find out, retard.

>>70456894
>That they are friends with their coworkers which is why they collab and hangout and such.

This is the big thing for me, I want to believe they're friends having fun together. I know that they're employees and they probably feel the same way about their coworkers as I feel about mine. Maybe one team is better than another or their might be shift loyalty etc. Thinkin about them as people bullying each other is a little much though. I like office drama and gossip as much as the next person maybe more but I don't want my coworkers even ones that I hate to be miserable at work. Unless they're actively fucking with other people then whatever happens happens. I'd try to help coworkers that were miserable, if one was being bullied I'd try to help and be there for them and if one was bullied so severely that they tried to kill themselves then I'd do everything in my power to be done with that company and I might even try to see how I could anonymously whistle blow about conditions.

I think that's the issue with what happened, most people wouldn't just silently let things continue to a breaking point like they have. If they did I don't think most people would remain silent about it so I really have no idea how things could have got to this point or how they could move forward without more people quitting at minimum. I have no idea what happened; I think its fun to think about leakers and cliques and conspiracies but I don't actually think any of that is real if it is the leaker is kind of more disgusting for treating it like some sadistic game of hide and seek. If someone was really motivated by guilt or the desire to clear their conscious they'd confess or expel the truth in one sitting. What the leakers are doing now seems to be motivated by receiving attention or being in on some secret they're probably one of the worst bullies or some super fringe third party if they were real. I just don't see how things get to that point or how people continue to watch these people with the illusion shattered like that. The people in niji don't seem normal now like either they're so apathetic that they don't care or they're held so strongly by something that its like they're a prisoner now. I don't really want to watch either person I just feel bad for them.

>>70472439
I haven't had time yet ro look at Niji LinkedIn, or management that closely. L-san did have this to say tho.

"What if the liaison for Zaion's manager happened to be Selen's ad hoc manager?

That would be positively fascinating, wouldn't it?" Make what you want from that.

>>70430992
Hey, $106.42 is $106.42.

>>70474069 Me
>>70472439
Also this might be helpful to search: https://rentry.org/nijileaker

>>70471487
Because Millie is the "manager" that was a slowpoke to get Selen the perms requested to post the MV. This despite spending the day with mane-san when she already received the message.

https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1739212392398237718

>>70473536
theyre not just coworkers, theyre also direct competitors. If you fuck with your rival in any capacity, its an advantage. thats why you need independent management and not an inmates asylum type thing cause thats just corruption waiting to happen
>how they could move forward without more people quitting at minimum.
but this is likely happening
> if it is the leaker is kind of more disgusting for treating it like some sadistic game of hide and seek

>take on billion dollar corpo
>as a spy
>expose the clique
>risk everything
>anons on 4chan unironically think YOU are the problem, the lone hero, fighting in the night actually taking a risk, just cause you rightly realize that this is not reddit and even reddit you cant eat those updoots.

>I just don't see how things get to that point
why not? like dont take this the wrong way, youve your heart in the right place and Im just some bitter old hag, I dont even disagree entirely, youre right, the world SHOULD be different. But it isnt. And its naive to assume nijis will sabotage themselves for a coworker for no actual gain.
if you think Id risk my reputation, my corpojob, my future in the industry over some coworker that I barely interact with after the fact, when theyre already out and safe and I dont have access to the details of what happened, Id want you to share some of your drugs. Of course, this flips on its head when it happens live in front of me and I actually have power to do something about it that transcends the symbolic, if I can actually help the victim, my behaviour changes. But here, that clearly wasnt the case.
The Gurrat is so compelling because of its internal coheasion, and the fact that its in line with developments at the EN branch going back all the way back when elira nepoed her henchmen. Its absurd to suddenly assume theres a shadowgovernment behind the shadowmanagement. thats doing a lot more reaching than the gurrat ever did. I get that the illusion of intact social behaviours is important to viewers, its to me as well, but when it comes to the business side of things, its not like. its a dog eat dog world out there.

>>70474069
so we know its hex?

Maybe it's time to phone the crisis hotline and let them know you've spent the last twelve hours telling everyone how much you hate victoria brightshield

>>70430992
ogey

>>70431244
"Gas the kikes, race war now."

Her words, not mine.

>>70445490
No, just to show that the landslide is over and now people have moved on and are slowly creeping up again.

>>70468555
yes bro he has like a bunch of channels top10 video farming