/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69903335
I don't think she has any power, she threw Zaion under the bus after the termination for selfish reasons but wasn't the one pushing for it.

>>69903335
Clique is real, Finana is a power sub and will follow whoever she feels is in chatge right or wrong, Zaion was railroaded because she kept standing out and in their view acted like she was the cool kid in the room which she was. They took her confidence in streaming ability as a challenge to their clique. If you don't get it don't worry, just means you're probabaly not a woman or gay.

>>69903335
>retarded
She's obviously good at trickery.

>>69903335
It's insane how this board just gives finana a pass because she's stupid. No wonder why you retards get played contsantly.

The general opinion is that she's a clique sycophant but not a core member. She's also just an all-around terrible person so it's possible some of her more nefarious actions weren't even by the clique's orders.

>>69903681
The board has never given Finana a pass. She was the least favorite since reveal and she has never inclined enough to be the favorite out of the other two in Lazulight. If your only appeal is that "cute girls are best when they are retarded", you aren't going to get that many people. On top of that, she had her yab incidents that cost her dearly.

There really is no way for Finana to please you fucks is there? Poor girl has being bullied and harassed since she started and you still make fun of her till this day. It’s cruel to hold one accountable for her small mistakes, even her “Dedicated” fans left her when she needed them the most all because she found some fans to play with? Really is that all it takes for people to feel betrayed and stop supporting her

>>69904569
There is a way. Blowjob joi asmr and all is forgiven.

>>69904877
She already said she won’t do anymore because she finds your kind creepy. How hard is it to understand?

>>69904569
>"Why should there be consequences for her actions? WHY?! They're negligible!"

>>69904569
Fuck off Mae

>>69905196
Then don't bitch about her being a talentless hack and a runt. You should be happy that these "creepy people" aren't there anymore. Deal with it, sister.

>>69905196
>dont provide service that customer wants, be surprised when customer leaves
lmfao its like mcdonalds telling you to fuck off when you want a big mac

>>69904569
Finana go find a real job

>>69905388
She never advertised herself as a coomer vtuber, you are the one who gaslight yourself into thinking she was nothing more than fanservice

>>69904569
>Having 4ch covers identity for you
>Still accidently find a way for people to recognize you
How can you be such a moron? You can't even hide your speech pattern

>>69905630
Are you retarded? This slutty fish moaned into a pillow during her ASMR begging for cock. She was very much providing coomer shit until she decided to stop. Which is her choice, as it is the choice of people to no longer watch her if they aren't getting what they want

>>69905630
She's a woman, that's what she is by default.

Finana forcing a ship with her and Selen was so funny. She even called it "Oceanlaw", it was so cringe how she tried to save her dying channel with that. And now the Selen is out she pretends that nothing happened.

She's both retarded and also malicious/evil, those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

>>69905630
>gaslight

And that's how I know you're either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

>>69904569
Why do you memoryhole this?
Yes, Pomu and Elira were more likely to be anons' favourites, but all of Lazulight was really well-received and popular when they started.
Everybody loved Finana and people looked past her 1st few fuckups. However, those kept on coming...
again and again...
There is just so much a viewer can take without coming to the conclusion that he is not her target audience. She drove everyone away, one at a time.
All of this is solely the consequence of her own actions.
>>69905196
After a while, it was obvious that all she excels in is being a slut, her ASMR was great. If she doesn't want to do this, then she better finds some other interesting topic to stream about because I'm here to be entertained and nothing else, I have no obligation to watch her.

>>69904569
Every Vtuber's feet have been held to the fire and everyone, every single one of them, has a list of insignificant yabs ready to go. Feesh hasn't done anything major. The problem with Finana isn't that she does stupid shit, just look at Mori for example, the problem with Finana is that she doesn't do enough good shit to keep people on her side.

>>69903335
Just dropping this video here finana talking about bullying a certain person
https://youtu.be/YrErc8dSOYg?si=kP7hfY8l1Ba1ZPdA

>>69906071
>Vtuber's feet
Hot

>>69905976
I like Gachas so that’s what I play. If viewers don’t like it they can just watch other streamers. There’s no reason to hold Finana accountable for not playing what they deem “entertaining”. She found what she likes so that’s what she streams, there’s no need to keep making fun of her and laughing at her supposed “lowering viewer base” when she’s financially stable

>>69907378
I can held her accountable for not giving a fuck about trying to be entertaining or respecting her audience. She has admitted time and time again that she has a problem with gacha games and has vowed to spend less time playing them, but she has just gotten worse instead.
>She should do whatever she wants
Then she maybe should have just shut the fuck up when she couldn't afford the tickets to go with Elira and Pomu to the Antarctic. It was fucking infuriating hearing her cry about it on stream. Bitch, are you even aware of how much money have you wasted on gacha pulls? Get the fuck out of here, you are a fucking grownass adult.

She is an incredibly selfish person who loves to throw a tantrum when things don't go out her way. Finana just wants everyone to love her and be pampered like if she was a princess.

And don't get me even started on when she threw Zaion under the bus. There's no fucking way she didn't know how much she contributed to Sayu being harassed, doxxed and hated for almost a whole year, and then she tried to do the exact same thing to Selen.

Finana is just toxic, vile and malicious trash.

>>69907378

Chat, is this a self-report, chat?

>>69908704 (me)

> I like Gachas so that’s what I play.

Out of context use of first person pronouns

>>69908500
You don’t know how Toxic Zaion was behind the scenes, maybe she brought Finana up to management as an excuse for her own fuckups
>She is Selfish
Meanwhile the branch always talks about her in a good-light and how much she helps behind the scenes

>>69908953
But with the current drama, who has the appetite to take Nijisanji livers' word at face value?

Honestly Finana, most of /vt/'s crappy criticisms against you are isolated to this godforsaken board, ignore it for your sanity.

You're fucked if you ever get implicated to have taken part in bullying Selen though.

>>69908953
>You don’t know how Toxic Zaion was behind the scenes, maybe she brought Finana up to management as an excuse for her own fuckups
There's absolutely no justification for the awful spectacle of Finana and Kotoka trash talking Zaion in the middle of a fucking stream when she was already getting harassed by the community. It was irresponsible, childish, unprofessional and even dangerous.

>Meanwhile the branch always talks about her in a good-light and how much she helps behind the scenes
We are talking about Finana's own actions, why the fuck should I care about what her friends say about her?

Also, we are still talking about the same branch that banded together to throw Selen under the bus, right? I'm sure they are all good, sincere and honest people.

>>69909579
>It was irresponsible, childish, unprofessional and even dangerous.
NijiEN ins a nutshell

>>69903335
Likely very little. Finana is a follower and among the blindest/most naive Niji simps. I suppose that being somewhat charitable to her, she is at least keen enough to realize that her reputation is tied to that of Nijisanji's and thus she goes bat for them. Too bad she's injudicious and goes to bat for them ALL the time instead of only when it's an easy win for her.
>>69904569
Much like Elira, every problem Finana currently had or has is one of her own doing. Why should I feel sorry for a retard that's had so many chances to improve or do better, yet she willingly doubles down on the behavior her fans either politely tell her they don't appreciate, and that former fans/antis straight up bully her/make fun of her for?
She doesn't wanna change and clearly just wants mindless simps. Too bad Finana expects her fans to be mindless simps that one gains usually through GFE bullshit, but she doesn't want to act GFE at all. The few people that watch her and support her now are the little yesmen she has from her multiple fan cullings.

>>69909579
>Why the fuck should I care what her friends think of her
Because you only see the side you want to see, people remember the bad, never appreciate the good she has done. How do you think she feels going from 1.6k average down to 500 live viewers on average now? Every time she speaks out she is instantly attacked, to this day people still refer to her as the “Parasocial fucks” streamer

>>69910560
I have no real dog in this race, but I mean, if you tell people to go away, and then they do, it seems a little insane to complain that people have gone away. Like, when a game developer says "we don't need or want our old fans" or a movie studio says "this movie is NOT for men!", and then they don't show up, that seems like mission accomplished?

>>69910560
>Because you only see the side you want to see
I only see the side that she is showing to us, you mean.

>How do you think she feels going from 1.6k average down to 500 live viewers on average now?
I couldn't give less of a fuck about that. How do you think Zaion felt when one of her friends backstabbed her live and refused to help when she was getting harassed and doxxed? What about Selen? How do you think she felt when Finana decided to retweet the black frame stream and ask everyone to watch it?

Fuck Finana, honestly.

>>69910847
>Fuck Finana, honestly.
One of her paypigs will and this is what'll get her terminated from NijiEN but she won't mind because her endgame is to marry some loaded nerd and this is her best way to find that nerd.

>>69910560
>How do you think she feels going from 1.6k average down to 500 live viewers on average now?
Oh, no. That's so sad... let's take a look at her schedule, shall we? I don't think she gives a single fuck.

>>69904569
No shit it is

>>69905630
Go watch her original streams and say that again. She had been making coomer references since the beginning.

>>69911084
>One of her paypigs
Anon I don’t know how to tell you this, but Finana literally threw away all her paypigs for a bunch of discord trannies
That’s the level of retard we are dealing with

>>69911113
What do you even do in Honkai for this long?

>>69911305
Just because she acts that way doesn’t mean she wants those types of fans. How are you guys this stupid? Just because a girl acts mildly lewd doesn’t make her a whore

>>69911399
She has to make some money even still, no?
Some retard that maybe consistently gives her 5 bucks or something

>>69911113
>3 Honkai
Some things never change
>Yakuza 4
Did she actually manage to slog through Yakuza 3?

>>69911510
> Be horny
> Attracts other horny people
> "Why are there coomers in my chat? I'm not a whore!"

Really?

>>69911510
Final Fantasy 14 says otherwise...

>>69911113
Tbf one of the Honkai streams was going to be Yakuza 4, but last chapter was short enough to finish on the same day.

>>69904569
skill issue

>>69911669
Oh god Yakuza 3 was painful to watch

>>69905630
then why did she talk about masturbating in her hotels on her vacations and blasting her pussy with her sister's recorder or hanging out fucking Melody and talking about it
Even Jap fans only know her as Ero Sakana because that's all she had going for her

>>69911661
>gives her 5 bucks or something
If you only knew how bad things really were

>>69912010
I did not like Yakuza 3, it's the only game I never completed.

>>69912204
Christ, that's fucking grim.

>>69912204
Aren't these numbers reflective of most EN girls except Pomu, Selen and Scarle?

>>69912204
>>69912517
I make more money selling junk on ebay

>>69912517
Not really, Rosemi is regularly over 100$ and Enna goes way above her. Aia hits 600$ on the regular and when her paypigs get their paychecks she goes to 1k.
It's not holonumbers, but most girls generate above 3k per month solid, Finana doesn't.

>>69912690
Yeah, streamers are like sports stars. There's a tiny minority that makes the big bucks and grabs everyone's attention, then there's the vast, vast, vast majority that lives on cup ramen noodles.

>>69913081
It's a good thing Finana still lives with her parents, unless that changed and she moved out?

>>69912204
She’d do better panhandling on the street, jfc.

>>69912204
And that's before:
>Youtube's cut
>Anycolor's cut
>Taxes
She literally couldn't afford the trip to the Antarctic, so she must be broken as fuck.

>>69913252
I don't think she's in the tax bracket where taxes are a major concern.

>>69913216
I don't think she's moving out soon.

I hope NijiEN collapses and she resorts to having to do more coomer ASMR

>>69904569
>It’s cruel to hold one accountable for her small mistakes
Yet you continue to drag Sayu through the mud over a single rape joke

>>69912204
>>69912690
No, any 4-paid-hour per day part time job is better than this bullshit. I mean you have to factor in that 2%

>>69908953
>how much she helps behind the scenes
I thought that was Petra? never heard of Finana being anything other than a burden and I watched plenty of Niji streams pre Zaion termination.

>>69913666
Doesn't she still get money from merchandise

>>69903335
>sayu
I wish Sayu would have given us more hints that she was working under Elira's management in her document.

>>69913252
trips to the antarctic are expensive as fuck.

>>69913932
Her original document was way longer, but she had to trim it down to not get sued. If the shadow management is real, Sayu probably talked about it in the missing pages.

>>69914004
You know what's also expensive as fuck? Being a whale for gacha games.

>>69903335
I feel that Finana is just...there, she doesn't do anything particularly special and almost every single time I see her streaming, it's her playing Honkai, like her content wasn't boring enough already. I feel like she's just going with the flow while she waits for her chance to bail, or maybe she's just too stuck in her comfort zone to do anything else.

>>69911113
It's funny how the sisters have tried their best to paint Sayu as the gacha streamer when Finana is the one spamming Honkai and shit like that.

>>69911113
>>69914959
Reason why Finana helped get Zaion cancelled is she didn't want another more experienced Gacha player as competition in Niji.

>>69913786
Well, that revenue cut is about to get cut.

>>69915216
Ironically, in the end, Sayu did end up getting a Genshin Impact sponsor once she left Niji

>>69904569
>you fucks

>>69915329
>Ironically, in the end, Sayu did end up getting a Genshin Impact sponsor once she left Niji
Karma is a bitch

>>69913786
2% still applies.
Besides, we don't particularly know how Selen's matter can impact the sales of the merch. Let's say Niji is even willing to give details of merch sales per talent per month, which I don't think it does, we can only see how great of an impact it is at least from the data from February 2024 onwards.

>>69912204
how do you people can see this info?, is a website or something?

Do I count as being part of NDF if I only support Nijisanji JP but loathe and hate with all my might NIjisanji EN?

>>69915521
https://playboard.co/en

>>69915669
NDF are the ones that defend the company above anything else.

>>69915669
If you support JP you know it's the same shit over there, except no one has kicked a fuss in awhile.

>>69915729
than you, i am sorry i am a retard that need to be spoon feeded

>>69912204
>they bullied and sabotaged Sayu, Mint and Doki... for this
holy shit, I'm honestly shocked to see to which degree she threw it all away.
How can a business afford to keep someone like this?
>>69910560
You did this to yourself you dense retard!
>oh no I don't want this audience
>no, this one neither
>also not this one
>where is my audience im so sad
People did not watch Selen or Pomu because their models were so nice, but because they themselves were so nice to the viewers, they were entertaining and ambitious. I know, this is why Niji EN internally hated them and *this* in turn is why Niji EN will always be shit.
Do you fear to get bullied yourself if you make good streams or what?
Be a fucking good entertainer and I'll watch, I play HI3rd and HSR myself and I still see no reason to watch her, there are so many other content creators I prefer to watch when it comes to those games.
I enjoy Sayu's HSR streams for example.

>>69903575
it still brought a lot more of troubles so it was retarded

>>69910560
>How do you feel she feels going down from 1.6k to 500

No one gives a shit. Go to bed Mae

>>69912204
Finana I know you're going broke. Your parents can't afford both their mortgage and your lazy ass with a gacha addiction. Why don't you just go back to the one thing that will absolutely money?

>>69915968
>... for this
It's either this or retail.

>>69912204
Wow, it is even worse than I thought. Only pushing 19k on the total views, not even ccw's.

Fuck, does anyone here remember her keyboard streams? How she would gain close to 2k live viewers only for her to use the retarded GoXLR shit for way to long, dropping to below 1k?
I swear that shit happened more than twice, it was like self inflicted knife wounds

>>69910560
No one but the deepest of schizos wants to see the bad side of the streamers they may watch. This is literally the reason people are still watching NijiEN at all right now when the potential "bad side" is extremely fucking bad. Perhaps you're LARPing but if not, Finana needs to sift through what this thread is actually saying productively and recognize that it's not that people are jumping immediately on her fuckups (outside of shitposters /here/ doing things for sport), it's that those fuckups were hefty, numerous, not thought out and not fully accounted for. It might not be pretty but the actual issues have been hit on multiple times here. Even on this site rebuilding goodwill can go a long way when done genuinely and over time, to say nothing of the actual viewer presence.

And on that note, being sore about viewer count, especially after all this shit, instead of taking a hard look at your content and especially your actions is a bad mentality. No one's owed views even at the best of times, and while I think anyone should play the games they love first and foremost no matter what they may be (while staying open to suggestion), it's up to you to give people reasons to watch and/or to be ultimately happy with the audience you do have and nurture them, stumbling in both of these aspects is how Finana got to this point. But that is why you learn, you get back up and keep trying.

>>69915968
>People did not watch Selen or Pomu because their models were so nice, but because they themselves were so nice to the viewers, they were entertaining and ambitious
Pomudachi here, this is correct for my case at least. I love her personality.

I miss her.

>>69903335
>Co-worker tells you about your issues/problems
>"OMG she GASLIGHTED ME!!"

Fucking pos fish. All I can figure is NijiEN is full of stupid, egotistical, delusional trash. After everything that's happened.

>>69916945
I liked Pomu's character concept the least out of LazuLight but in the end I liked her the most.

>>69904569
>even her “Dedicated” fans left her when she needed them the most all because she found some fans to play with?
Who she found were fucktards that were and still are openly hostile towards the rest of her following. Its like a gardener complaining her plants are mysteriously getting ruined ever since she bought some pet locusts

>>69916945
>>69917323
I might be biased since I knew her before and knew how great she was, but I actually gave Finana several chances in the beginning. I followed her Honkai Impact streams with great interest.
I would still watch her to this day obviously if she was enjoyable to watch.
I have no obligation to watch an organ that doesn't want me to watch her, so that's why I watch Sayu's Honkai Star Rail streams nowadays.

>>69912291
4 is so much better in comparison, most of the jank of 3 is gone. I’m now at 5, heard is the best one of the Kyriu era, we’ll see

>>69918079
Based fellow Sayu enjoyer. I'm never playing HSR so I should watch those. I avoid games I don't want spoilers for but a game I won't get into is another story. (And saves me money in the case of gacha)

>>69918246
4 is good and so is 5. I think I'm one of the few people that enjoyed the hunting segment as Saejima.

>Finana discord cancelled their b-day billboard project because she told them they're unoriginal and copying hololive
https://files.catbox.moe/p211o3.jpg

>male crashing Pomu+Finana yuribait off-collabs as a "surprise"
https://files.catbox.moe/9zbe28.png

>Finana openly admitting to lying about it and selling it as a "girls night" despite the male being planned all-along
https://files.catbox.moe/95urxj.jpg

>comment sections getting closed to hide complaints
https://files.catbox.moe/7qnonr.png

>Finana has a menhera meltdown on twitter about how nobody draws her in group fanart and cancels streams because of it
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1516160827069456386

>Finana jumps in during the drama with her infamous "L + Ratio you parasocial fucks" tweet (somehow this doesn't stop her from doing valentines dates and sell wedding ring merch though)

https://files.catbox.moe/q36ffe.jpg

>Finana menheraposts on twitter about "trap" being a slur and bans the word, tells viewers to "educate themselves", then promptly backpedals unbans it and apologizes after backlash
https://files.catbox.moe/3079fs.png
>>/vt/thread/27228440

>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
https://rentry.org/fmcox
https://twitter.com/ContainmentB239/status/1547730451938168836
https://web.archive.org/web/20220714153830/https://pastebin.com/f94aCCuS

>Finana's aforemention discord groomer circle leaks her Nijisanji audition tape
https://twitter.com/ContainmentB239/status/1547736242330079233
https://files.catbox.moe/z1u6id.mp4

You can tell how many people wanted Finana to succeed by the amount of people who lament Finana's fall. Such a sad story.

>>69918079
>so that's why I watch Sayu's Honkai Star Rail streams nowadays.
I don't give a fuck about HSR, but I always watch Sayu's gacha streams. They are just a backdrop for really good zatsudan content.

>>69918630
>>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
christ

>>69918689
Well when you look back is makes sense. Unlike Elira and Pomu she had 0 experience in streaming, so beside rooting for the underdog you were following someone completely new. At that time Finana was also extremely approachable and had the best interaction with her fans.
>She was also very parasocial with her fans
>Spent around 2 hours talking with her chat after game streams
>Always ended her streams with a kiss
>Was always experimenting with new games
>Always got super into them
>Her lewd talks were short and kinda endearing
>She was dumb in the cute kinda way
>Always look to chat for help
>Weekly streams with Pomu

Instead of Girl friend experience, anons here called her the little sister experience, and that’s how many got attached to her.
Look into any of her early streams and you get a complete different Finana from the one you see now. She also used to collab a lot with Pomu, strengthening her look like some naive little sister. Somewhere along the line she just started acting like a different person and her earlier fans just left. You had days where her earnings rivaled Pomu and today she is around the lowest of any members.

>>69918079
>>69918689
If she reads this thread who are we kidding here these are two important takeaways that she needs to consider carefully. People aren't mentioning Sayu just to twist the knife, it's because she should serve as motivation and an example that Finana should aspire to in her own way, that even if she thinks things are in the dumps she can bounce back with determination and commitment, that it's something people would be overall happy to see and that even if she decided to be a stick in the mud about her content choices, there's ways to utilize your own talents and make the most of it while enjoying yourself.

>>69919901
The funny thing is that I can't tell if the spoiler implies
>of course she is
or it's implying
>of course she isn't
the rrats are getting me fucked up

>>69910560
Hey Finana, saw your deputing streams they where fun. If you find your spark for streaming again people like me will find you again. Times are tough, but dont give up..

>>69918689
>Such a sad story
indeed.
She may have forgotten about it, but people loved her...

>>69904569
"fans to play with" my hairy ass. They groomed her into a puppet and pull her by her strings to serve them, and them only. Either learn from your mistakes or be doomed to repeat them.

>>69919901
i believe >>69904569 could very well be finana herself
>types like a retard
>"you fucks"
>who else is going to defend her at this point

>>69923651

I'm so parasocial with this thread rn, being completely convinced that finana is actually reading it.

I hope she realises that she had a huge potential to be entertaining. Hell, I remember loving to tune in to her collab streams with Pomu and co. Take a step back, find the passion again, and maybe stop inserting yourself into drama(?). The "I was gaslighted by Zaion." clip made me stop watching entirely. Not because I didn't believe her, but the sheer willingness to punch someone while they were down left a bad taste in my mouth. I stopped watching to preserve the memories of the fun times that were had.

>>69921090
>>69923651
I intended the former, but I understand why you'd think the latter. Whole damn situation is getting everyone fucked up here I am attempting to give guidance to someone I don't watch too much of because how shitty things seem to be and how it would be nice for them to turn things around. Honestly a thread/approach like this would probably be the best way for any of them to give a response and get some actual feedback/interaction with fans outside of the scope of the insanity going on, even if it still happens to an extent here. Obviously their fans in their chats aren't going to play with fire for their sake.

You guys really think Finana would be here? No it feels more like the whole board believes members to be here and post inside information

>>69912204
They would earn more being a manager at Anycolor

>>69903575
>Finana is close friends with Uki
>has already shown to be gullible enough to get groomed by Discord troons

Imagine all the ways that faggot has poisoned her mind. She is beyond saving at this point.

>>69924241
>anon misses his oshi so much he went parasocial with a thread
Kawaii...

>>69912204
Ouch

>>69916945
That's the best part about Millie and co. whining about 4channers that say they only watch selen in the secret GC stream.
They're incapable of even feigning being nice as a professional.

>>69924602
Anon I distinctly remember Finana making fun of being “Straight” a few weeks after she started hanging out more with Uki. Her comments were something along the lines of “Imagine being straight, couldn’t be me that would be, being straight would be Cringe”
Finana is either a real asshole or has so poor mental strength that she absorbs what is around her like a sponge

>>69924417
She talked about visiting 4chan on several occasions. She even browsed an archived thread on stream. She's one of the few livers to openly admit to it.

My God Finana, run your posts through ChatGPT or something. It's embarrassing reading your posts and instantly figuring out it's you.

>>69919901
>People aren't mentioning Sayu just to twist the knife, it's because she should serve as motivation and an example that Finana should aspire to in her own way
Pretty much this. Putting the backstabbing aside, Sayu crawled out from hell, rebuilt her community, stepped out of her comfort zone to try new content and busted her ass off to reach new audiences. And it worked out.

>>69923651
To add to your theory, one of the posts in this thread starts with a mention of Finana's tastes in the first person, as if she were the one who wrote it: >>69907378

>>69918630
Parasocial fucks always seems so weird to me to cause she was really just lashing out at the death threat senders, but it happened so close to the others that it became another seat on the bus.
Also the artists were totally understandable considering she did the karaoke at the last minute.

it's hard to attribute any intention to her actions because finana is halfway to inanimate object-tier of brain activity

>>69904569
Sounds like you need to educate yourself, friendo.

>>69925135
Anons have been doing that to fuck with people since time immemorial.

>>69916945
I love everything about Pomu's personality, but I won't pretend I miss the dumb fairy model dearly.

>>69925307
I know, just found it curious.

>>69918630
I was always shocked at the sheer incompetence of management to allow this to happen. It all makes sense within the GURRAT.

>>69925456
I think the Zaion docs explain it better. If you have 1 manager per wave, there's no way that person can have the time to tardwrangle.

>>69925570
Managers who barely know English and are part-timers too.

>>69925174
The "Parasocial fucks" comment is like a litmus test to see if the speaker knows what drama they're talking about or if they're just huffing shit off of the catalog again

>>69924624
Nah Finana wasn't my oshi, they already graduated or are in Hololive. She had chemistry with the rest of Lazulight in the early days and her clips were funny, then she fell off before I could even grow attached.

If that person who defends Finana using her own patterns of speech and writing about her in the 1st person is actually her, then she's really beyond salvation. As if she forgot that people loved her. Unwilling to reflect on herself. No ambition to change for the better. Oblivious to the fact that there is a community that wants her to succeed, her own community that she threw away.
People can be bitter, but people can also forgive.
It's not about her choice of games, it's about how awful she treats her viewers, the very people that should fund her and her silly gacha pulls.

>>69926259
>pretending to be that anon to make a downerish post
Not kawaii...

I always remember this post one if her fans left after all the fuck ups
“ Ever since Finana started I stood by her for all her high and lows.
When people were making fun of her for the fart tweet, I gave her a chance
When she only streamed for two hours, I stood by her hoping she will improve
When she gave her romantic advice I made fun of her but I kept watching her
When she stopped interacting with her fans on twitter I still stood by her
When she went two months ignoring her chat after the privated zatsudan I stood by her
When she kept focusing more on gacha I still stood by her
When she cried during a honkai stream from backseaters I still stayed
When she admitted to using her superchat money to buy gifts to her friends I made excuses
When she overslept the minecraft EN opening I stayed there and gave her excuses
When she did the same again for the Yugioh collab I stayed
When she lied to everyone about her trip and invited Uki to an off collab I was annoyed but took her excuses
When she made Pomu’s life a living hell during the whole trip, I had hope she would have learned
When she cried about not being included in fan art I criticized her but again I stayed
When she broke several rules for joining a fan discord and using their voice chat, I warned them, but I stayed
When it was getting obvious she was doing something offstream with her fans I stayed
When she banned the word trap and Futa and went all preachy, I forgave her.
And now that she has made it obvious she created a secret friend group of her fans, while ditching long time members for a twitter group my faith in her is losing. She had possibly less than 60 members watching her yesterday. So I ask, why shouldn’t I switch to a better oshi? how more should I wait for her to get better, when will she get better”

>>69926491
No one is actually beyond salvation so long as they're willing to take a step back and see the bigger picture and then look within.

>>69929148
>when will she get better
never.
the cute fish imouto is dead.

>no one called out the ESL babble
drama-birds of a feather I guess.

>>69929944
Fuck off Millie, we're having a moment with Feesh

>>69903575
There's being stupid and then there's deceiving your fans. I laugh every time I see her CCV of 300-400 viewers.

>>69925307
Well yeah, but after what happened over the past few months all bets are off at this point.

>>69912204
I'm literally a newer 2 view vtuber and I get more superchats than Finana
KEK

>>69929944
100 % true, sister
>people who loved her design
dramafags
>Pomudachi that also checked her
dramafags
>former Ryuguards
dramafags
>people that desperately wanted her to succeed
dramafags
>people that clearly wrote down what they hope for
dramafags
>other gachabrains
dramafags
>all those anons that would instantly return to her the moment she acknowledged them and their issues
dramafags

>>69930612
read this thread carefully and listen to your fans. let this be a lesson for you on what not to do.

>>69930903
exactly, so desperate to shit on her they actually respond to esl threads. pretty sad tbdesu

>>69931066
Of course! Finding your footing and learning what you are comfortable with is a struggle but history has already been made so it's vecome easier not to repeat it

I remember even Fubuki tweeted about her at some point.
Although I feel like she hasn't gone past the point of no return, it's hard to tell if she even wants to be successful...

>>69933551
>she hasn't gone past the point of no return
nobody ever does

>>69934189
I meant for me specifically. I care little about most of the things she's done, it's mostly her way of never acknowledging anything that turns me off. I'm very forgiving towards people who (at least pretend to) give a shit.
Also there was a time where I used to enjoy watching her, so I'm already biased. I have streamers I will never ever watch even if my reasons would seem petty for other people (Reimu and Fulgur, if we're talking about Niji) that's only me though.

>>69912204
dear god

>>69931179
ogey millie

This drama has been going on for a while and the clique rrat has gone mainstream with many livers still hiding in the shadows
I'm now genuinely wondering why there isn't any actual response in any way from people claiming it's false and Elira isn't some manager queen running a nepo branch
Doki or Sayu which have said they don't want any harassment on others, which can themselves clearly see is happening with a public focus on this rrat could dismiss it with a quick "the liver manager clique thing is overblown" mid stream to stop the harassment but dont. Do they and the entirety of Niji themselves not comment on it because it's actually true?

>>69904119
tbf I like finana's design and its a great way to do a mermaid/sea creature based tuber design, but I didn't like her personality and she's boring to watch. It's a shame bc I really liked her spin on mermaid stuff.

Let's hope en4 has a mermaid design for one of the talents for being a 'siren'

>>69915472
Yeah and Sayu paypigs are loaded af. Almost feels like the subathon is still going on even now in her streams.

>>69936086
If they say "it's not true" they'll have people crawling at you with "but then who is". If anyone says "it's not X" then people will start a pocking at other talents to see if you'll say "not that one either", until they finally get the right one.

>>69903575

>>69936172
Yeah, she's had a great month, picrel is her top 10 gifted subs for this month. Not to mention about 1K in bits, streamlabs, YouTube.
Really glad she's getting this much support now, even if it took a whole year to get here. Hoping she'll work hard to get even better from this point onward

>>69919901 I understand with the current situation with Selen it might be difficult but I think Feesh should publically and privately apologize to Sayu for the "she gaslit me" comment she made, it would help the hag's confidence and who knows maybe she will give feesh some tips and if Finana is still in that discord server fucking leave and never speak to anyone there or Uki ever again.

>>69936652
>Finana apologizing to Sayu
You have better odds buying a lotto ticket

>>69936585
What are x presents in real money?

>>69936652
anon, this would surely be the best and just outcome, but that's much you ask for. Finana needs to take a 1st careful step on her way back and can't just start her redemption arc by running a marathon.

>>69936782
Those are probably $5 subs, and I believe she is in the partner plus program that gives her a 70/30 cut

>>69905196
>There's no way to please you!!!
>Here's one way we will be pleased and then we will forgive
>WTF incels!!!!

>>69911510
the pure irony of this fucking post. If it's not bait it's a masterclass of retardation. Absolutely beautiful.

>>69905630
>She never advertised herself as a coomer vtuber
do we live on the same planet? are we talking about the same vtuber?

>>69907378
Finana stop being retarded and self posting here and just record yourself playing with your pussy.
Post the audios. Get popular. Be a parasocial fuck

>>69937284
>>69937312
>>69937384
>>69937465
it's both funny and sad that there is a significant chance that this anon is unironically finana herself

>>69937602
That's because it's literally finana

>>69936086
prove there's not a teapot orbiting jupiter.

>>69936398
Maybe so, but people constructing an actual supervillain tier narrative that has now been taken as gospel by thousands and been spun into the mind of a million+ people as a possibility is an extremely terrible thing to have hanging over a person and can ruin their life
People will still have their casual funny delusional rrats, and it doesn't even need to make any comment on if she or others were bullies or not. It's just about taking down this giant story that the bullying goes far beyond people being kinda mean but the fact there's an entire systematic organization of hatred used to abuse and turn people into puppets by a few specific known individuals
If I was in Eliras position and it wasn't true, the whole world turning against me to that level would have me desperately trying to prove my innocence and then pulling out the rope on failing. Yet no one speaks

>>69938015
Then Occam's razor tells you that you are correct

>>69937602
Even if she didn't want to do coomer shit, she has plenty of options and other type of viewers but shits on them all the same. Being an adult means making compromises instead of wanting it all perfect. Every successful streamer understands that, so I really hope it's actually Finana and she grows up to focusing on her viewers sometimes, instead of herself all the time.

Finana, if you're reading this, accept yourself for who you are and focus on your strong points. You're kinda dumb and your personality isn't the most interesting. However, you have good taste in music, your voice is nice and people liked your lewd ASMR. And yes, that's a real talent. Some vtubers try to be lewd and only comes off as funny / cringe.

If you look around at the most popular vtubers, all the successful ones love their audience. Not romantically, but as human beings. Being happy at their success, sad at their misfortune and encouraging when they need it. Think about that person who said Watame saved them from suicide. If Watame ever needed anythnig at all, don't you think that person would rush at the opportunity to help? What's a couple of red superchats? So if you do just this one thing, love your audience, I promise you'll be fine.

Also stop hanging out with Uki. That guy is a bad influence.

>be chuuba
>Treat your fans like shit
>They all leave
>Now you struggle to make ends meet
>Keep treating fans like shit because your coworkers are woke bully morons and encourage you to be a fucking idiot.
Finana where the fuck do you think your money comes from?
And if treating your fans like shit is a good idea why are hololive so successful, like fuwamoco.
Look at scarle FFS maybe try and emulate someone successful and notice they actually like their viewers and treat them well and then the viewers treat the chuuba well?

Graduate, start again fresh. Niji is a shit hole with toxic losers like uki, and bullies. It's a sinking ship with no future and negative pr

Would whale for her if she did more coom ASMR. She was really good at it

>>69938883
She had a natural talent for that ngl

>>69936652
Privately would be a good step if she really thinks about what happened and wants to make things right and I get the feeling you'd want it for Sayu's sake which is admirable, but the other anon is kind of right in that while it would be really nice for both of them, it's also a pretty huge step that she probably wouldn't be allowed to do even if she wants to because of her company.

>>69938420
>>69938883
>>69939161
How good would you say she is at the ASMR stuff? Is there any deleted or members only stuff?
Pre-emptively adding her ASMR playlist to my archive in case it's great and she gets nuked. There's a distinct lack of high quality EN vtuber ASMR be it coomer or not, would be a shame if she was one of them but has so little content

>>69918246
I really liked Tanimura's fighting style in Yakuza 4, deflecting attacks for days

>>69938823
>why are hololive so successful
she doesn't even need to look that far.
why was pomu so successful? why was selen so successful?
it's very, VERY obvious that they loved their audiences like you or this guy >>69938420 described. enna might get a lot of viewers, but selen got double her superchats, pomu even triple.
girls like enna, elira, millie or, well, finana... they never ask why x or y are successful, they are just spiteful that they are. they think that they are entitled to whatever those actually beloved livers worked hard for - without their effort.

>>69906312
This video didn't age well...

>>69908953
>Meanwhile the branch always talks about her in a good-light and how much she helps behind the scenes
>My corpo opinion is always true, unbiased and can't do no wrong
No employee will shit on their employer/coworkers under a contract and that last for years after leaving until the NDA expires, unless you want to get sued to oblivion (they can also play the long game even if you're in the right you'll go bankrupt by the corpos)
Even if your coworker were doing immoral things in front of you and the corpo doesn't give a fuck or actually encourage it, you have no option but talk how wholesome everybody is or you'll get sued for defamation, you can only go whistleblower when your coworker break the law since law>NDA in any civilized country.
In short "all my coworkers say I'm wholesome" is a fucking retarded defense.

>>69936172
We need a comparison of Sayu and fish numbers, for the sweet karma.

>>69940961
isn't she 19 or 20? she's a child working her first job. she never learned to deal with corpospeech and forgor that her community, not anycolor, pays her rent.

>>69940040
FWIW I think they love their fans too, just not in the same way. Sometimes even selectively.
I wonder if the difference is how Selen and Pomu consider their chat basically half the content itself, when everyone else treats it as an accessory to what they're doing. Selen talked about how she missed chat's backseating during her suspension so much she got someone to do it for her, and Pomu is terminally parasocial for her own fans. They're also not afraid to banter, interact with shitters, and (rarely) even take criticism. In comparison, everyone else lives in a bubble.

>>69936086
So I'm one of those who think there isn't any bullying/harassment, it's not something that can be easily explained in one sentence before you incur the wrath of the church of doki for suggesting in public she's even a little bit flawed.

Everything happened like this:
> Selen attempted suicide bc none of her friends took her side against management and she felt abandoned by them and angry.
> She contacted her lawyer to help her get out of Nijisanji.
> Her lawyer convinced her that they can threaten Nijisanji to settle for a large sum of money. Their legal notice to Nijisanji then contains a lot of bluffs (e.g. threatening to sue talents and making a public statement) because that's the normal way to bluff that you have a strong hand and to scare the other party into settling for more cash.
> Selen changed her mind in late January when she realized it would take many months before a cash settlement is reached.
> There was a communication/translation issue and the bluffs made by Selen's lawyer were interpreted as real. Also, the document that Selen wrote to help her lawyer claim damages for as much money as possible were leaked to the talents and it's full of shit that's half-true and taken out of context, which made all of the talents suddenly hate Selen.

>>69903575
Stop gaslighting me!

>>69915788
Well they a better grasp in their own country since they can actually understand each other so no, I don't think it will happen, also if the company is as petty as it has show so far Imagine what they can do to the livers stuck in japan.

>>69941841
Nice headcanon Sister.

>>69903575
That image is out of context, that's her talking about lying to her parents so they would let her travel, not lying to her fans like many people seem to believe.

>>69903335
She was just gaslit by her parasocial fucks into antiing traps, she is totally blameless.

>>69942286
While that's true, she ended up doing both anyway.

>>69940040

As a former aloupeep, I think Enna gets a lot of viewers because she can hide her dark side well. She would say something offensive and then immediately try to play it off. As someone who is a natural pessimist her depressing outlook on life was attractive. Now we know that those jokes are serious.

>>69941841
Then explains to me about the termination notice and the IR letter. One for the audience and one for the investors, which both are for the main paypigs for the company, and both are absolute bottom of professional standard. And by Nijisanji's culture of mistreating their own vtubers, people have ground to believe they are even more unprofessional behind the scene. Sorry but if I have to believe one side it would not be the vantablack corp.

>>69941841
Retarded conspiracy theory desperately trying to deflect the blame away from Niji. Your terrible tactics worked on Sayu but they won’t work on Doki’s fans thankfully.

>>69918630
I can't imagine JP being able to operate like EN without burning to the ground in less than a year.

>>69943200
Don't get me wrong. I legitimately think that there's favoritism at Nijisanji and Selen was very justified in feeling like they were unfair.

It's just that I don't think there was any significant bullying, and a good portion of the confusion happened because Selen's lawyer took the most aggressive stance possible and listed every single thing they might possibly sue for, even if some of those claims are a total stretch, mainly for the purpose of trying to bluff Nijisanji into settling for more money.

>>69904569
don’t worry Mae, I’m sure vox and Maria will spit roast you after this
get bent you pinoy whore. hope you enjoy as your branch burns to the ground and is ground to nothingness by the Nijisisters from China that you defend
unironically, you would’ve been a Japanese collaborator in WW2.

>>69934957
>this kill the sisters
Imagine the seething of the bullies right now.

>>69936086
The clique rrat make so much sense that they have to take the link down, just think about it why. The merch deals, kurosanji official statement, the disastrous black PR, everything point back to that it's just sisters and 39IQ making retarded deflection that make no sense but still try to change the narrative.

>>69908953
>>69940961
Looking back on that post it's pretty ironic it talks about how "maybe Zaion was toxic" and "the branch always talks about Finana in a good light" considering Sayu's reputation as an indie before Niji was sparkling and we have many other pieces of the puzzle now. If I take that post for what it seems to really be saying, it sounds like Zaion in her spiral of being targeted and attempting to get her account perms back might have brought up Finana in a "If she gets to do X why can't I?" manner which might have cost Finana in some way or was at least framed poorly by someone. Which is a shame but is really just blaming the wrong people because it would be Niji doing the deed, and isn't something to hold longterm unless certain people are nursing it and causing you to do so. A genuine conversation in private would sort it out easily and create a stronger friendship for it.

>>69944234
https://rentry.org/75xvufdx

I am sure there is more.

>>69941662
>In comparison, everyone else lives in a bubble
It's like this is Finana's problem. She acts as if Elira, Uki and the Twitter crowd are her audience and doesn't see that those are basically the opposite of the people she depends on.
>>69943130
Enna is not my oshi and never was, but I watched her occasionally. I'm somewhat of a doomer myself, but I laugh about myself and try to act in defiance of this - I thought Enna was similar and I'm genuinely disgusted that it turned out that she is just a bitter, hateful and genuinely evil person.

>>69938823
NijiEN don't seem to understand they only exist because of the viewers.
Also JP has a vastly different ideology in how to operate, I can't even understand what people see in EN with their 3DPD mentally unhinged whores.

>>69943777
Significant or not, bullying is bullying and the tolerance levels vary amongst different individuals.

>>69943777
Settling for money? She straight up said she wanted to graduate. Niji would have definitely called her out if she was lying. That's bullshit.

>>69941542
Feesh constantly mentions having worked in retail before joining

>>69944334
There is a lot more but we're going circles with the same thing, it's only tourists that haven't read shit that fall for the sisters bullshit.

>>69945058
Anon, she only asked to leave on neutral terms on Jan 26. What kind of terms do you think she was offering before Jan 26?

>>69945199
No she said she asked to graduate at that date before being ghosted by Niji. Nice try though.

>>69945278
In case you need me to spell it out for you, Selen threatened Nijisanji with a lawsuit in early January. They started negotiations and when she realized that Nijisanji wasn't biting, she gave up and asked to leave on neutral terms on Jan 26. After that point, Niji ghosted her.

>>69945278 (me)
Actually no, I'm full of shit.
That's still a week+ before the termination anyway so it's pretty irrelevant.

>>69945621
>Selen threatened Nijisanji with a lawsuit in early January.
Proof next thread?

>>69945731
Selen said herself that she got Nijisanji to sign a signature promising confidentiality with her lawyer. When do you think this signature happened? After Jan 26 when Nijisanji was actively ghosting her? After Feb 5 in the two hours before Nijisanji sent the termination notice?

To be clear, I'm not saying Nijisanji is innocent of violating confidentiality or anything like that. It's just clear from the timeline that they were in negotiations before January 26th.

>>69945944
>When do you think this signature happened?
So you're basically talking out of your ass. You don't know when or who signed what so you're making a lot of assumptions and that's enough to paint a narrative. Sure. You sound awfully confident for someone that relies on so little.

>>69942286
I would honestly consider lying to her parents about going to see a boy under the guise of a girls' getaway trip to be significantly worse than lying to her fans about it.
She has tangible incentive to lie to her fans: they are her source of income, and she is in a business where you can (and frequently do) lose views and income for interacting with men as a female vtuber. A vtuber that admits to interacting with a male invokes the ire of unicorns, however much of a vocal minority they might be. It's not worth the hassle for most.
However, there is no real reason to lie to her parents. Doing so means she has no moral foundation, and is willing to compromise her own dignity for whatever whims strike her at the time.

>>69941662
It breaks the idol - fan dynamic quite a bit, but being borderline parasocial with your chat or assigning it some characteristics instead of approaching it as an amorphous blob does wonders for your engagement. Just take a look at Jowol or a chuubas orbiter like Nagzz. They have it down to a science.

>>69938823
Well it also depends if your fans are into being treated like shit.
>See Kronii’s kronies

>>69937602
Stupid fish took the bait

>>69946517
It may sound similar, but if the intent is completely different, so is the result.
Vtubers depend on interpretation since they have fewer tools to express themselves, so the little things add up a lot. If people don't trust you to care to begin with, even masochists might not accept that.

>>69924902
>or has so poor mental strength that she absorbs what is around her like a sponge
She is a woman, yes

>>69947375
This anon gets it.
Actual SadoMasochistic relationships are built on trust, and a huge part of that community is about ensuring everyone is safe and being taken care of. BDSM communities do NOT take kindly to actual abuse, because it's a huge breach of the trust their shit is founded upon, and makes everyone with the kinks look bad.
Imagine having a worse relationship than the one where one person volunteers to be beaten by the other person.

>>69904569
Did you ran out of money to waste on gacha retarded feesh?.

>>69915669
I've been a fan of some JP livers like Nui,Furen and Ange since 2021, but I hope they get out of that mess of a corpo.

>>69915329
She was already an official Genshin cc even before joining, that's what got her in trouble when she streamed her old account, because of that affiliation.

>>69939912
Also the insta-kill cuffing heat action was kino

>>69939828
I was talking about the coomerbait ones, I think she deleted those. Extremely hot, she was really good at implying sexual stuff in a very affective manner. Good shit