/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

MC Mondays my beloved

>>69840596
>>69840144
>>69840131
Again, EIGHT SEVEN (87) girls with a 4k+ average. That includes
>Five VSPO girls
>Patra
>Natori Sana
>VIRTUAL OBAACHAN
(no, really, virtual obaachan)

Here, for reference, from the same chart, is the list of male vtubers with a 4k+ average
>There were eighteen (18) of them
From that list there is now seventeen active (Mysta having graduated), and I say the list will be smaller in 2024 with at least Luca falling out of it, likely Chiroru as well depending on the baseball season.

>>69840872
Pato my beloved

reminder ennacuck is a literal cuckold and enna is garbage trash tier liver

>>69840780
But captain, it's friday!

>>69840931
Proof?

>Fauna today
Oh yeah the thread is going to be shit.

>no kiss
/shiori/ is going to meltdown again

>Nijinigs tempting fate by posting a holo graduation bait thread every time another one dies
>By using clips that they didn't even bother to watch
Will they ever learn?

>>69841064
Threads are good when Fauna streams

Here is a bombastic revelation
>Killer Frequency is just Hitman played in reverse
Instead of going around killing people Fauna has to save them instead.

>>69840928
Based, preach brother
Can't even hit 10k with omegabuff content

>>69840872
I don't trust VSPO numbers, has anyone checked each of their chat speeds?

>>69841168
This is the average, meaning it is mostly not influenced by their peaks, and a full year of streams, not just the big ones.

>>69840928
This
>>69840668
We hooman support dokibird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eeg8WGWjrQ

>>69841168
If you're worried about illegitimate numbers, Nijisanji is a good place to start

>>69840596
So VSPO girls with Brave Group's bottomless wallet are lower than some self-made male indies like Nerumero or Chiroru? lmao.

Phase chads won. Niji who?

dookiebird

>>69841168

The invisible war rages on, victory is soon at hand

>>69841274
>Brave Group bottomless wallet
That's a silly statement, Brave only bought VSPO "recently" and many of those girls were already over that threshold before the purchase.

>>69840668
this

Judging by notMatsuri tweets, her menhera ticking bomb is about to explode....

She has gone mad because of her flu

>>69840872
Sure, somehow that means there's no market.
Maybe you should start trimming away at some shitter sub-groups like EN males, EN females, ID vtubers before thinking about there's no market for male vtubers lol.

>>69841168
Miscropped the last post.

No wonder Mumei privated that karaoke for a while, I tried watching it but her performance was too disappointing and embarrassing

You guys think it'll be a merge into JP or a "rebrand" like Wactor?

>>69841064
This a promise general, if you don't like it go back to global.

>>69841482
Her karaoke was great though

>3.5k peak ccv but 100k vod views in 5 hours
what the fuck is going on with shorts streams, Bae's were like this to (but nowhere near this extreme)

>>69841447
kys

I really hope Doki never touches Twitch again, I can't stand that platform and her numbers there were lower than her YT floor

>open catalog
>first thread I see is about whether or not Pekora is sexy

>>69841408
Which threshold? The one that have them at lower than indies like Nerumero and Chiroru as corpo vtubers?
The one that they only got because Kanae felt like saviourfagging Nose back in the days?

3k left

>>69841575
I have seen comments in these videos asking why they are getting 2 hour long videos in their shorts feed. This is obviously not an intended function.

>>69841463
You are not making any sense and seems to be just flailing your arms, aimlessly.
There is a coherent argument there
>there is no market for male vtubers
>out of all of fifty five male vtubers debuted by Nijisanji or the Holostars since 2020, in the most charitable interpretation of success, only Lauren (and maybe Ibrahim) found any semblance of success
>out of all of the male vtubers out of the whole tracked vtuber market only eighteen of them, with almost all of them having debuted before 2020, have a 4k+ average
That's a very simple thesis with a numbers based argument behind it.

>>69840928
Please post images that you can use to mentally torture ennacuck. I just got my hydrus set up and I want to make ennacuck a tag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tLKnoLhqrs

https://poal.me/f9v9pd
https://poal.me/f9v9pd
https://poal.me/f9v9pd

>>69841681
You seem to be taking this to a completely different direction, seemingly out of a beef with VSPO somehow?
That might not be as interesting as you might think, people here won't have whatever context you are using
>could be the voices in your head, just saying

>>69840596
> The evidence for not having a market for male vtubers is not the number of 3 views, but the diminutive* number of male vtubers with any significant viewership.
> with a 4k+ average
Let's see..
> Toya
> Lauren
> Kuzuha
> Chiroru
> Fuwa
> Yashiro
> Hayato
> Kanae
> Ibrahim
> Gatchman
> Mysta (RIP)
> Reid
> Luca
> Hal
> Uzuki Kou
> Chaika
> Joe Rikiichi
> Shu
> Itou Life
That's about 19, and 20 if you include Vox.
19 out of 96 is close to 1/5th of the entire VTuber Top 100.
Your claim of
> There is NO MARKET for male VTubers
is clearly an exaggeration when at least 20% of the top VTubers are male.

>>69841851
This is something I think she'd enjoy

>>69841790
But then why the fuck would YouTube ask streamers to do shorts streams?

>>69841797
>You are not making any sense and seems to be just flailing your arms, aimlessly.
Right back at you. No market is a stupid argument.

FEBRUARY 2024 HIGHLANDER (TEST)
>1) 30,931: Ange (Nijisanji) Blue Archive [4th]
>2) 16,129: Fuwa (Nijisanji) Lethal Company [11th]
>3) 49,849: Ayame (Hololive) New outfit reveal [S]
>4) 59,524: Sakura Aoi (Indie) Debut stream [S]!
>5) 17,809: IRyS (Hololive) Poppy Playtime [8th]
>6) 26,378: Ui (Indie) Shigure Ui Winter 2024 [6th]
>7) 13,023: Korone (Hololive) Horror game [7th]
>8) 127,307: Dokibird (Indie) Return stream !
>9) 16,238: Roboco (Hololive) New outfit reveal [6th]
>10) 27,081: Shiina (Nijisanji) Spring Vtuber Koshien [7th]
>11) 16,053: Iroha (Hololive) Cooking w/ Kanade [11th]
>12) 29,104: Sasaki (Nijisanji) Clubhouse 51 vs Lauren [5th]
>13) 61,224: Elira (Nijisanji) A Message from NIJISANJI EN !
>14) 43,914: Choco (Hololive) Birthday 2024 [S]!
>15) 13,853: Fauna (Hololive) Happy Valentine's Day Unarchived Karaoke [9th]
>16) 19,049: Hal (Neo-Porte) 3D reveal [5th]
>17) 62,244: Aki (Hololive) Birthday 2024 3D LIVE !
>18) 30,460: Lamy (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 vs Kanata [5th]
>19) 22,686: Baelz (Hololive) BAE-CADEMY Telephone game [5th]
>20) 17,516: Voltaction (Nijisanji) dokidoki 3D [7th]
>21) 20,028: Patra (Indie) Nintendo Direct watchalong [6th]
>22) 28,668: Ao (Hololive) AoSuba [4th]
>23) 18,200: Mio (Hololive) SolitiBa [6th]!
>24)
>25)
>26)
>27)
>28)
>29)


> PER COMPANY
6x: Nijisanji
12x: Hololive
4x: Indie
1x: Neo-Porte

corrected edition hopefully

2 more weeks

>>69841168
>>69841466
This Nose stream has a higher average ccv, 12.7k, then it does total chat messages, 11.6k.
Something about that doesn't really add up

>>69842038
JANUARY 2024 HIGHLANDER
>1) 70,300: Hololive (Hololive) 3D AyaFubuMi
>2) 83,120: Pekora (Hololive) Monster Strike
>3) 92,039: Towa (Hololive) 4th Anniversary LIVE
>4) 72,893: Subaru (Hololive) Totsumachi
>5) 83,032: Miko (Hololive) Clubhouse51 Gomoku
>6) 91,536: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) Niji Mahjong part2
>7) 139,332: Okayu (Hololive) Holo NY CUP 2024 Prelim Main POV
>8) 59,434: Suisei (Hololive) Holo NY CUP 2024 Finals [B]
>9) 76,563: Marine (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 collab
>10) 44,117: Mumei (Hololive) Karaoke + Announcement [S]
>11) 58,831: Kanata (Hololive) Offcollab teatime [S]
>12) 45,916: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Niji Apex 2024 [4th]
>13) 53,931: Haachama (Hololive) Word Wolf game [S]
>14) 41,592: Koshimizu Toru (Nijisanji) MonHun World [4th]
>15) 28,706: Aqua (Hololive) Jinsei Game for Nintendo Switch [4th]
>16) 123,074: Fubuki (Hololive) Mel Termination
>17) 20,387: Kaela (Hololive) Palworld [B]
>18) 25,118: AZKi (Hololive) Utawaku w/ Fubuki [B]
>19) 40,202: NeruMero (Indie) Genshin [S]
>20) 50,592: Nerissa (Hololive) UNARCHIVED Advent karaoke relay
>21) 42,283: Yuuhi Riri (Nijisanji) Birthday 3D LIVE [B]
>22) 32,333: Toya (Nijisanji) Gartic Phone collab [B]
>23) 39,218: Fuwamoco (Hololive) FUWAMOCO MORNING episode 71 [S]
>24) 26,902: Bijou (Hololive) Granblue Fantasy: Relink [4th]
>25) 48,089: Gura (Hololive) Palworld
>26) 18,791: Koyori (Hololive) Koyori vs Ao [7th]
>27) 19,703: Botan (Hololive) Street Fighter 6 [5th]
>28) 22,691: Murakumo Kagetsu (Nijisanji) New outfit reveal [9th]
>29) 29,211: Mito (Nijisanji) Mito Radio w/ Peanuts-kun
>30) 76,315: Furen (Nijisanji) Quiz collab
>31) 44,456: Laplus (Hololive) New outfit reveal [S]


> PER COMPANY
22x: Hololive
8x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

i sleb now

>>69842055
I hate throwing accusations at Nose specifically because she's genuinely one of my favourite non-Holos but it really is suspicious.

>>69841575
Youtube counts views for shorts if you watched at least 1 second meanwhile it only counts views for normal videos after 30 seconds
Anyone just scrolling by counts as a view

Pomu mogged
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQpDUHt3voA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAgwG5PKzdM
>two 1m+ vods thrown on the second channel because its deemed too shit content for the main channel, literally like when a holo streams on twitch kek

>>69841137
Fauna 47 was the real whisper man.

>>69841168
>>69842055
>>69842168
Shut up it's FPS audience.

>>69842169
That makes a lot of sense.
Would also partly explain why ad revenue from them is so shit

Why is everything so slow

>>69842168
>>she's genuinely one of my favourite non-Holos
>having "favorite non-Holos" at all

>>69841948
>Discussing about homos with a Fauna pic
Kys

>>69841611
Don't need to go into it, she's not.

>>69842281
Nose is Towa's boyfriend, it's fine.

HoloEN 2024 Graduation/Termination Risk Tier List
>Kronii: not motivated to stream or communicate, doomer
>Nerissa: higher risk of confidential information leak due to involvement of family, could be as simple as a young dumb relative sneaking in, taking pictures of private business material, and sharing to friends, who then leak it online
>Mumei: erratic behavior, said she will stream less but keeps streaming anyway
>Gura: too valuable as a brand icon for cover to let go, could be lower chance
>Fuwamoco: slightly higher than you would expect, takes "protect your smile" so seriously they may self-terminate their contracts if they yab very badly even once

>>69842328
>HoloEN

*FINAL EN COPE TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>02/23 TALLY (1.000 - 4.999)
4.640: Pippa (Phase-Connect) | Just Chatting
3.685: Calli (Hololive) | Japanese Speaking Stream
3.339: Luca (Nijisanji) | Just Chatting
2.947: Altare (Holostars) | Holostars Trading Card Opening w/ Axel
2.763: Bettel (Holostars) | Will You Press The Button?
2.232: Rexford (Holostars) | Pamali
2.208: Shu (Nijisanji) | Valorant w/ Claude, Finana, Fulgur, Reimu
2.055: Shinri (Holostars) | Pacific Drive
1.815: Victoria (Nijisanji) | Lethal Company w/ Aia, Kunai, Meloco
1.500: Shiina (Phase-Connect) | ASMR Stream
1.351: Fulgur (Nijisanji) | The Legend of Zelda: TOTK
1.295: Scarle (Nijisanji) | Handcam Stream
1.264: Claude (Nijisanji) | Valorant w/ Finana, Fulgur, Reimu, Shu
1.244: Hina (Phase-Connect) | Birthday Stream
1.226: Muyu (Phase-Connect) | Karaoke Stream
1.138: Alban (Nijisanji) | Persona 3: Reload
1.113: Jelly (Phase-Connect) | Karaoke Stream
1.067: Uki (Nijisanji) | Operation: Tango
1.067: Flayon (Holostars) | Granblue Fantasy Vs. Rising
1.011: Hex (Nijisanji) | Pacific Drive

>>69842281
Does Patra count as a non-holo?

>>69840872
I'm just gonna say concluding that a whole market is not there while using a terribly niche metric like streaming ccv median is stupid.

You know what Vsaikyou and Sanctuary League are? Those got so big that they started to reflect back to viewership increase in professional tournaments btw.
You know which vtubers host them?

>>69842328
IRyS will keep Kronii in for longer than you think

/#/ is a cunny general.

>>69842328
nijinig please

If IRyS doesn’t get 20k on her gigabuff stream I will anti her.

>>69842432
Patra is an honorary holo

>>69841836

>>69842417
who is this fucking calli guy

To carry on the hashtag conversation from last thread, can we analyse why Kiara only puts hololive in Japanese rather than English despite being in en lol

>>69842328
Kronii won't graduate because she doesn't have anything else in her life

>>69842476

>>69841836
I got you

>>69842321
That's like saying it's acceptable to like dokibird just because she's friends with mumei, stop using holo girls to excuse your own shitposting because there's enough kino happening in Hololive as-is

>>69841064
Sounds like you like to post bait about Fauna, and her streaming prevents you from doing that.

>>69842606
The japanese hashtag has bigger mindchair

>>69841999
Did youtube ask them? My impression was Youtube gave them the option (probably without thinking about it) and the streamers just do it cause they want to give it a try

How did you guys know that the boter and shitposter is an ennafag

>>69841836

>>69841272
Go say that in /who/ then.
Since they apparently agree with you.

>>69842606
Kiara is a realist and knows where the numbers are at.

Subaru is a tomboy, Ao is a homo troon.

>>69842667
Yes it is, I don't feel like hating everything else just because you specifically don't feel like it, retard.

>>69842688
Ludwig has said that YouTube asked him to do shorts streams. Might not be the same for hololive but they have asked their streamers

>>69842328
Just say TroonSanjiEN

>>69842669
Not true, in fact when she fails to get 10k today just like yesterday (being bailed out by raids doesn't count) I'll make sure you all know it

>>69841609
She doesn't have a floor yet.

>>69842328
move Ame down 3 tiers.
She's the breadwinner of her family now, if she quits, they go back to being poor, not instantly but it's inevitable.

>>69842818
Well then yeah shit I have no idea what they're thinking. Shorts viewers aren't gonna enjoy long form content that seems like it should be obvious to them since they're choosing to watch something called shorts kek.

>>69842848
oh yeah, it's pretty funny how she ended up in the same situation as Risu

Fauna will never be an idol.
She will never be popular.
She will never be able to sing well.
She will never be able to dance well
She will never inspire people.
She already decided she was going to spite her followers by saying she doesn't ever think of them as friends.
She will never go back to schedules
She'll never stream regularly
She'll never give a shit about her audience
She'll never do projects like literally everyone else in EN
She'll never be relevant
Her "gaming idol kirin" will always be a lie
She'll never be a real Hololive talent
She'll forever be a worthless whore who Advent dwarfed

She is nothing but a shameless larper, and it's because of all this the "gaming idol kirin" gets shit on bh all of advent .Fauna can lie and love bomb all she wants but people who follow her know better. Congrats on having to pay your way to be her friend with a plush doll though, like the absolute cuck you are

>>69842900

>>69842755
>>69842671
That doesn't seem to work out for her numbers if you compare with Mori with the English hashtag and similar CCV on their streams but Mori has more vod views

>>69842713
>>69842633
>>69842592
Thank you, these are pretty brutal.

shitniggers are nigging out hard tonight

>>69842900
Stop posting in other threads whore

>>69842281
This Mococo looks like a gyaru.
They kinda are gyaru-like, now that I think about it.

>>69842930
anon If you saw her numbers during 2021-2022 you would know that it actually works

>>69842767
>Yes it is
shut the fuck up niji sympathizer
nobody wants you here, and you were never a real hololive fan anyway. probably falseflagging just to shitpost, if I asked you to provide active holo memberships you have none, niji memberships you have plenty I'm sure

>>69842895
that's the pattern of lower class extended family everywhere in the world once someone in a family make it to the middle to upper middle class.

>>69842281
I watch Patra and Ui, besides hololive.
What are you gonna call me?

>>69842900

new anon here. What is the website used to see the views graph of a live stream? (start x, minute 2:36 is y, etc). I cant find this on the sites listed.

>>69843034
Patra and Ui are honorary holos

>>69842990
Has anyone actually analysed this then? Non hashtag streams Vs hashtag. And en Vs Jp hashtag?

>>69843042
Thoughts on Fauna first?

>>69842328
>Nerissa: higher risk of confidential information leak due to involvement of family
This is probably the only realistic scenario here. Although the percentage is too high

>>69842930
Mori has a shit ton more subscribers than Kiara anon. That's way more people her shit is getting pushed out to.

>>69843034
>What are you gonna call me?
same as the others, you're a fake hololive fan because you selfishly care more about who you "enjoy watching" than hololive unity/solidarity

>>69843149
rape

>>69843192
Stop falseflagging/larping

>>69842667
Doki's ability to make nijisisters seethe by merely existing has promoted her to "I am indifferent towards her and have no strong opinions regarding her", which is the highest honor any non-holo or honorary holo can hope to accomplish

>>69843224
post holo memberships (you won't, because you don't have any)

>>69843042
This one?

>>69843042
Lemon Party

>>69841948
Homos are dead in the west

>>69843228
you don't have to be a nijisister to have perfectly valid reasons to hate dokibird and dragoons
hell, her "attempt" not succeeding is probably the only L holoEN is going to take all year as far as missed oppurtunities

is the drama thing still ongoing? Kept out of threads for a week but seems to have fizzled out considerably.
i thought it'd go on for longer but i guess this generation's adhd is out of control

>>69843267

>>69843279
yeah, like this one!

>>69843192
https://youtu.be/JBZ78MctUgg
https://youtu.be/VB7f1VwTWBA
https://youtu.be/GukMzP3PbZ4
You're not very good at this.
Just go away, no one likes you.

>>69843429
Good taste

>>69843450
vrabi

I somehow associated my shits with nijisanji graduations. Saying to myself as a let out a fat one "There goes another one" and laugh like a lunatic. I

Two Hours
https://youtu.be/4CucLLFOdK8

>>69843597
>only 700 waiting
oof

>>69843477
again, this is like claiming it's acceptable to like pomu just because she's friends with kiara. you're making the same kind of arguments a fucking nijisanji sympathizer would make, that should tell you everything you need to know about your own position here

>>69843186
How does that argument even work when Kiara has more subs than Mumei or Fauna and quite a lot of jps but still gets less views?

>>69843429
Patrician taste, even in his non Holo chuubas

Saplings rule this board

>>69843662
having non-Holo chuuba subscriptions automatically disqualifies that anon from having "patrician taste"

>>69843701
Post your memberships/merch

>>69843647
Mori is way more popular than Kiara, dumb false equivalence.

>>69843693
surprised global went with a Fauna thread

>>69843662
>non holo
fuck off peasant

>>69843701
Is this the new angle? You stink

>>69843693
I remember the first year of Council Fauna was the runt who was paired with Sana the bigger runt. Oh how things changed.

>>69843783
I mean...

I hate this new trend and sometimes I have to agree idol fags are right about this. I'm afraid this is going to be more and more prevalent.
I consider myself an openminded individual but this 'trend' is lit radicalizing me. Why are they doing this?
https://twitter.com/ItsTaell/status/1761035415174230523
https://twitter.com/ppslayer_vt/status/1761074577080250599

>>69843764
In terms of streams though? Look at their ccv

>>69843839

>>69843630
So you hate Ui and Patra too?
I do not consider them to be anywhere near Pomu, and you're an idiot for entertaining the idea that she is like those two.

>>69843834
we love nijisanji here

>>69843859
vshojo lite

Doki/Niji drama must be running dry huh

>>69842900
i mean, technically, isn't every chuuba supposed to be a larper? Like sure most western chuubas devolve into regular streamers but they're supposed to larp right

>>69843859
At this point I consider Twitch vtubing and Youtube vtubing, at least in the western corp/indie space, two completely different things that have very little bearing on one another.

>>69843859
Oh absolutely, these people are not vtubers they're just grifters.

>>69843944
Oh look the holoan is moving back to leeching off of hololive

>>69843889
you're the one making the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT someone who thinks it's acceptable to like pomu would make

>>69843882
I'm mildly curious as to the effect of Bae streaming daily this month. Oversaturation? Steady rise? Nothing?

>>69842901
we love male (female)(male)(female)(male)(female)(male)(female)(male)(female)(male)(female) wives in this thread

>>69843859
can we finally eject twitchslop to /trash/ where it belongs?

>>69843882
>proves my point

The first year Fauna was fighting off Bae tier numbers.

>>69844021
Just look at previous Februaries, nothing

>>69843859
This showed up on my recommends and I didn't understand what it was at first, I thought it was someone reacting to someone cosplaying as them.
I'm fine if someone wants to be a flesh streamer, go for it, but why pretend to be a vtuber at the same time? It's totally pointless. People act like they're being compelled to be vtubers and have to constantly stretch "the rules". No! Just go be a flesh streamer, it's OK, really!

>>69844056
Dont get me wrong, I just wanted to post the chart since Fauna and Mumei end up chuuing

>>69844021
It seemed to have a positive effect in but any gain was wiped out by the burnout and breaks immediately after.

>>69843499
Ty anon! I'll try find there againn

>>69843882
The generation that killed EN

>>69843944
FUCKING BASED, HOLOFANS DESERVE IT

Fauna's chat is really green

>>69844155
Shut up fungus no one asked.

>>69843834
Amamya is so rapeable

>>69843882
>>69844094
Hot

>>69840684
mmm, delicious juicy pussy-armpits

>>69843647
Kiara's views aren't that bad when you consider her CCV anon. Look at what a HoloEN with similar CCV but less subs gets on her VODs and compare it to KIara

I'm not saying that subs the sole factor at play, but when you compare chuubas with similar CCV (which Mori and Kiara do) then subs will be the primary difference maker on VODs.

>>69844011
Yes, but the difference is that I am not that person, I do not consider her close to hololive, and I'd laugh, just like you do, at anyone calling Pomu a "holo-lite."
Two people can make the same argument yet hold completely different positions, and if you can't grasp that you should go back and finish school.

>>69844155
You mean Tempoop

>>69842848
at least she repaired(?) her relationship with her mom, i guess

>>69843859
you can thank Kson and Vshojo for that. Our only hope is that this shit only happens on Twitch

>>69844045
I love Towa, my male wife, Mumei, my boy-ish lover, and Gura, a 12-year-old boy stuck in an adult woman's body.

>>36861273
I don't blame this anon for his pessimism given that this was at the height of Omega's reign of terror, but still lol

>>69843944
Isn't Mumei his oshi? I remember someone here saying that a long, long time ago.

>>69843859
bound to happen when that vtuberIRL (or something like that) always trends weekly. Disgusting Westoids

Tempiss status?

>>69844155
Holostars generation? Yeah.
Council had a hard life. People are gonna clown on them when eventually FWMC passes them in subs, but they will ignore how different the two eras were. Council started with like 100k subs, and constant subs culls after that, and had to go through HoloEN dark ages where pushing homos was the highest priority. Losing Sana was just another hit to the gut.
Meanwhile Advent brought in and enjoyed renaissance, starting with sweet 300k+ subs to boot.

>>69843834
Can I get the quick Ruffdown on amamiya

>>69844371
2022 was a nightmarish hellscape for HoloEN. I remember at the end of that year we were lucky to even get 1 stream let alone 2 any given night. While the homos were just everywhere in every time slot.

>>69843882
show Myth, I love to see Gura's outlier graph

>>69844541
Rape.

>>69844481
no, its gura

>>69844541
rape

>>69844481
the guys a grifter, he switches from hooman to chumbud to whatever the hell helps him get the most views.

>>69841435
I can no longer tell if something is AI or not

>>69844392
Kson did that before even Vshojo or Hololive existed though.

>>69844339
>Two people can make the same argument yet hold completely different positions
to be honest, this usually points to a a weakness in your argument. the fact that I wouldn't have been able to determine that you hate nijiniggers and ex-nijiniggers enough to be a proper hololive fan means you should probably just make things more clear next time, so that we know we're on the same page.
like, if I knew you hated pomu right off the bat I might be more inclined to give ui or patra a shot, you know what I mean? anyway enough arguing/shitposting let's just post cute holos

>>69843859
Why are you upset anon..... its good that streamers who were a vtuber, just because it was a fad, are eventually going to leave vtubing leaving behind only the true vtubers

>>69844677

>>69844481
>khyo
He's the quintessential dramafag, he doesn't have a side, just a current grift.

>>69844677
Thst one is easy. Look at the fingers and Fauna's cleavage, and their hair.

>>69844481
Idk who it is but I clicked the video and he's just shilling Mumei's outfit so it's pure clickbait

>>69844677
blindchama...
that one is easy...

>Pekora is still going

>>69844699
kagura nana isnt a vtuber too, she showed her face a lot of times on stream

>>69844678
Kson started it then pink cat boyfriend did it, and then pink cat did it, then top twitch indies did it, and now we reach the point where 9/10 indies will do it.

>>69843882
>Everyone crashed except Fauna, especially Mumei and Irys
Faufau stronk

>>69844141
Since I'm feeling generous
You actually have to click on the stream on vrabi to bring up it's more detailed breakdown page
If you go to the "groups" page you can go find whichever chuuba you're looking for and bring up their stream history and all their past streams
If you still can't navigate the site either learn moonrunes or figure something else out

>>69844450
>there were people who thought kotoka and meloco were GGN
lmfao

>>69844516
>Council had a hard life
Because they were simply not good enough, especially not as a follow up to peak Myth. Mumei I think has the highest potential but she's openly treating Hololive as a part time side gig, which would make her Laplus tier if this wasn't the Council general, Sana was probably the worst hire in Hololive history other than the girls who got themselves fired and maybe Matsuri, Kronii is another complete disaster, Bae is a homo collabing runt (again, only a member of this thread's inexplicably favorite gen could possibly get away with multiple off collabs with the homos without getting any hate) and while I think Fauna has done an admirable job she just doesn't have what it takes in terms of drive and natural on screen charisma to carry a gen, she feels like a Noel in a world where Marine and Pekora don't exist. People will cope endlessly about how management screwed them over and that's certainly true to an extent but in what universe do you see anyone in Council becoming big stars within hololive?

>>69844893
chu

>>69844839
She is trying to make up for all of the watch hours she lost

>>69844873
IRyS has inclined though, and Mumei has cycles that lined up with civ duties

>>69844677
Most of the time I don't even bother fixing hands anymore since people will know it's AI anyway, just something fresh to post in the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aiuzVI35BQ

>>69844916
t.genwunner

>>69844677
always count the fingers first. Fauna has six. Mumei has 5 with no thumb

>>69843859
problems started when attractive people started joining vtubing
so unironically Hololive, which recruited mainly from asmr hoes, ex-idols and cutesy JKs early on

i just saw like 3 FWMC x tempiss fanarts on twitter. why do beggars always pick CGDCT girls?

>>69844847
>he's worried about twitch "vtubing"

>>69844980
based, dont stop, ignoring Iofi

>>69844541
>>69843834
>>69843918
She is a NijiWhore

>>69844510

>>69844846
I actually give a pass to artists since they have other business than vtubing to fulfill.

Numbers but off-topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khu9BB2g4Ks

>>69844223
like a garden

>>69844991
We hate yuribaiting in this thread

>>69845059
Does that other business also excuse homo collabs

>>69845071
They already slept together naked

>>69844916
I wouldn't say Bae 'got away' with much because there has been plenty of shitposting when she gets talked about at all
but with that said, she's earnest, a hard worker, and while she obviously likes the homos and wants them to do well she doesn't get anywhere near the kind of obnoxious about it as the others did

was it worth it for NotVesper?

>>69845019
>holos
>cute
kek, i can say adorable, but cute?

>>69844916
>Because they were simply not good enough, especially not as a follow up to peak Myth
Council/advent could be the best vtuber gen ever and people wouldn't think of them as a follow up to peak Myth, because Myth's entire appeal was the novelty and relative hacked together nature of it compared to Hololive JP. No other gen is going to be perceived the same way because now that things are more established/professional with EN in general, all that's left is to see new waves go through the same route of becoming le epic big budget good goy idol

Council has this weird woke tinge to them, which tracks with old management and so all their success has been sorta in spite of that.

Advent is way more colorful. They're bringing cute and funny back with biboo. They have the overtly unicorn pandering fwmc. They have Nerissa being pretty open about wanting to get pregnant. And then Shiori I dunno what's going on there.

The feminist Kronii or Bae types are nowhere to be found in advent.

>>69845120
yes unironically. They draw for a living anon...and commissions from homo fans are extremely lucrative.

>>69844916
Who said anything about becoming some big stars? Just stating the fact they still got fucked pretty badly.

>>69843859
Fleshgrifting. Add it to your lexicon and browser dictionary.

>>69845175
>waves

>>69845071
"We"

A win for Gura is a win for Hololive.

>>69844846
I think there is an argument to be made about "part-time" vtubers where their main obligation requires them to public, like artists. Most artists do hide their faces in pictures even though they're seen at art booths and such, like Rosuuri and Kagura Nana.
Anything non-vtubing they do is off-topic though.

>>69845167
yes, because hololive is a black company

>>69844677
That one is fucking obvious with the abomination fingers. This is the only AI image I've fallen for so far. Never would have known if someone didn't randomly mention it in the comments.

>>69845167
Putting everything else aside, it was probably best for both him and the company that he left as soon as possible, he clearly didn't fit.

>>69843859
disgusting

>>69845019
Is it true that some holos did JAV (not talking about the ASMR stuff) or is that just an anti shitpost

>>69845184
>The feminist Kronii or Bae types are nowhere to be found in advent.
what you call Shiori? at best she is a reformed sjw

>>69845297
No, gravure at most

>>69844450
lemao

>>69844992
you can cry about genwunners all you want but withot Gura's limitless charisma, Ame pushing boundaries of what EN could actually do with the nonexistent resources provided, Ina's marketability, Kiara's diggig for every shred of connection with the main branch and Mori's retarded ambitions, HoloEN would be a much more forgettable entry in Hololive's history, probably closer to HoloID in scale and accomplishment

>>69844980
>>69845033
Actually was supposed to attach this one because it turned out pretty cute. Seiso hidden hands.

>>69845201
If you want to bring up niji, it was pretty much the Great Value version of the same thing before it went completely tits up. Myth won because it was the first to do it successfully.

>Mumei on Fauna's lap
Cute

>>69845071
>we

>>69845262
it would've worked for him if he stayed in his lane. Look at the clown faggot. Just stream and collect superchats and membership, never interact with the girls

>>69845341
Okay, that's what I figured.

>>69844991
I keep thinking this is Mito and Sana from the thumbnail.

>>69845319
Yeah Shiori doesn't fit. She was sorta their rescue.

The management forced genmate collabs of year one have tempered her sjw ways somewhat. Will be interesting to see how she develops once year one is over and genmate collabs are optional.

>>69845363
Cute. How do you have to go through before there's an 'acceptable' one?

>>69845297
it's true, i was the male actor

>>69845175
>Myth's entire appeal was the novelty and relative hacked together nature of it compared to Hololive JP
This is cope, the appeal of Myth was that early Gura and Ame were genuinely great vtubers, and like it or not Mori's early music output was exciting for a lot of people. They were the closest thing EN ever had to the top JP girls in terms of quality.

>>69845415
Even if he stayed in his lane when it came to actual Holos he still would have had his drug issues and obvious problems with authority. The guy clearly couldn't hack it in a corporate environment of any sort, much less a Japanese one.

>>69845382
>cunny on cunny
h-hot

>>69845071
It may be baiting but they shared beds and Nerissa was basically naked so I want them to continue and go even further beyond.

>>69845256
try to imagine where the light is coming from to give this kind of shading and it becomes easier, anon
accurate shading will be a massive barrier for the AI for a long time

>>69845256
Obvious when you look at the hair, like always.
There is not a single AI on this earth that doesn't fuck up her hair. I mean look at the eyebrows, even

>>69843859
im so tired man, this hobby is going down under, invaded by grifters on all sides, all we have left is holo

>>69845184
Stop posting Reddit comments.

>>69845297
none did JAV, some did adult/porn voiceovers, mostly early gen stuff

>>69841490
If it's a rebrand it will definitely be like Brave Group. If it's just a restructure, they will probably merge them into Nijisanji proper and and simply add more bilingual staff to the roster as well as increase PR to restore good will with the brand/company. I honestly hope they simply need to do a complete rebrand because Nijisanji is way too toxic and and search results will reflect that.

>casual doxxfaggotry
Newfags please

>>69845349
to be honest, nobody expected hololive to do it

NIJIEN WILL RETURN

>>69842279
It's the winter lag, bro.

>>69845468
novelty played a big part whether you like it or not. Just look at Luxiem, very first male corpo vtubers. Same with Myth's very first female corpo vtubers. If Cover decides to create a HoloKR, it would be a hit as well. Novelty buff is no joke

>>69845186
Like furry commissions, I suppose.

>>69841609
what was the ccv for her palworld twitch rival stream?

God I love Fauna

How would you feel if there was someone in EN4 who did the equivalent of what some IDs do (like Kaela for instance) and pretty much solely spoke Japanese during regular streams and only used English during collabs with other ENs? And got better numbers than most other ENs by doing so?

>>69845631
to nothing
It all comes tumbling down

>>69845029
this, I'll worry when it reaches youtube (I know kson does youtube that's not what I mean)

>>69845647
HoloKR would be an instant flop. Kanade was a test to see if the Korean market was viable and she's the runt of her gen. It's too late now that Isegye and Stellive have already established themselves.

>>69845695
we already have IRyS

>>69845586
we made r/vytfags get too comfy itt

>>69842755
lol lmao
is not the language but a skill issue

>>69845631
Yeah, renamed to NIJISANJI Global and with at least five graduations in the re-structuring.

>>69845468
>the appeal of Myth was that early Gura and Ame were genuinely great vtubers
this is true, but you wouldn't get the same result today with vtubers just as good as they were because the conditions just aren't the same. not saying that any vtubers are as good as them, of course, they're still some of the small handful of EN vtubers where if they were to quit it would actually be a net negative for the vtuber space as a whole (much like fuwamoco in advent)

If Hololive was winning the spam wouldn't be necessary

>>69845695
A chance to practice my moonspeak listening comprehension. Pretty convenient desu, especially if they actually stream NA hours

>>69845493
Don't forget she dressed biboo up

>>69845730
you don't have an idea how big Hololive is in Korea. Isegye and Stellive would get mogged EASILY

>>69845586
>>69845769
This thread >>69828616 made it to archive completely untouched earlier today

>>69845361
Take out Gura and myth crumbles. Myth was nothing but Gura accessories.

1k waiting

>>69845695
>like Kaela for instance
Her Monday streams have a healthy mix of EN and ID, they're comfy as fuck.

>>69841836

>>69845631
Like Team Rocket

>>69845167
Some people are not meant for corpo

>>69845916
Then why is there no HoloKR yet if the market so so big for them? Clearly there's an issue stopping them

non-corpo vtubers should all give up and off themselves

>>69845839
The only EN from the first 11 that quit was also the only one that could have done so without it being a net negative for both the vtuber space in general and more importantly Hololive English as a branch. Any of the others and there'd have been real issues. Jury is still out on Advent in my mind but I agree that FWMC at least are already at that point of importance.

>>69845906
Nerissa basically got a daughter-fucktoy in Biboo.

>>69845933
Settle down chumbud, there's only one EN with One Piece and Metal Gear collabs and it's not Gura

>>69845923
vshojo jannies gave in, they are accepting fleshtubers

>>69845923
That's just because it's completely wrong with its "doxx."
Might even be a honeypot.

>>69845005
Same. I love being gay!

>>69846067
>The only EN from the first 11 that quit was also the only one that could have done so without it being a net negative for both the vtuber space in general and more importantly Hololive English as a branch
that's not true, remember that kiara literally pushed for niji collabs and turned a lot of hololive fans into open niji sympathizers. there's a lot of motion in the wrong direction that could have been prevented had kiara been discouraged enough to quit early on, and that's not even mentioning mori's antics

>>69844916
Not even Advent would've succeeded following up Myth. Council had to take the fucking debuff, on top of the bonus debuff of debuting so shortly after they had released IRyS.

>>69842848
>>69842895
Third worlder family values of sticking close to their families and not cutting them off

Advent are the reason I went back to watching EN vtubers after I quit since Council debuted and it was mostly a mid gen/myth giving up on frequent streams and the homos arc starting with the worst shit I ever saw from hololive talents talking shit about their fans to appease the fucking normies ... Advent is what healed the dying EN side and brought back my faith in EN vtubing

>>69845695
I did my reps so I don't particularly care

>>69846128
And she sucked a lot of Japanese cocks for that

>>69846137
Wait, really? Sasuga, VShojo.

NIJISANJI I BELIEVEEEEEEEEEE

>>69845695
I don't watch hololive anymore so I wouldn't care.

>>69846128
calm down deadbeat, there's only ONE mainstream EN chuuba in existence, and her name is not Mori Calliope

>>69846343
Why reply?
You a resident shitposter?

>>69845167
>-25% average viewers month over month
>significantly shorter stream length average too
A bit grim, but this doesn't give quite a detailed enough picture.

>>69846294
This thread breeds some real fucking retards.

>>69844481
I dunno, he's a grifter though and said he'll watch he outfit reveal live because Mumei is her favorite HoloEN

>>69846368
>sharkie
>mainstream
ohhh?

>>69845695
It literally cannot get any worse than Advent so sure why the fuck not?
They might actually get half decent numbers that way

https://quarterpot.itch.io/the-biboo-tax

>>69846368
Gura is considered an anime character at this point

>>69845695
I speak Japanese so that would be a good way to filter the western eops that are not weeb enough, sounds like a win to me.

>>69846067
Even Sana quitting was a big blow to fan confidence because it planted the idea that maybe joining Hololive isn't that great and the girls don't really give a shit about it.
The timing was also pretty bad since they started throwing homostars at us.

>>69846470
That sapling? Me

>>69846465
already went back to IM?
why not shitposting using dookie for a while longer ennafag?

>>69846465
Mousey bro, just stay on your lane together with Mousey's Razer sponsorship KEK

>>69846465
And the Nijitroon exposes himself

>>69846368
lmao Money Mori would kill to get those collabs, especially since she wouldn't have to pretend to like anime/games for them.

Gawr Gura is the Micky Mouse of vtubing

>>69846067
>FWMC at least are already at that point of importance
The level of delusion of ruffians is quite pathetic. FWMC could literally drop dead and nobody would care 1 month later

>>69846067
Oh please, anyone who wants to tell me with a straight face that Bae is some sort of pillar of HoloEN that would have mattered is embarrassing themselves

>>69846397
sounds to me like you know I'm right and have no argument

>>69846470

>>69845517
why are you care about them in the first place? just watch holo. hololive = vtuber. simple as.

>>69846676
>>69846683
The fact is the way Hololive is structured, is that no matter how popular a member is if they decided to leave or got fired, the company is big enough to keep pushing on without feeling any impact. Your oshi isn't special but that's a good thing.

>>69846798
that's not at all true at all
Gura leaving would actually kill hololiveEN for a lot of people

>>69846767
The enemy is at the gates and their numbers swell, and you want us to chillax?

>>69846307
>Not even Advent
I don't even think Advent are that good, I think people were just really desperate for EN3 to be good. I think that FWMC are a real gem and Biboo is a great addition to EN but I don't think Shiori and Nerissa are particularly great and due to the nature of FWMC they ended up making up half of the whole gen.

only fauna can save us from endless holo vs holo hours

>>69846665
Is this game finished or a WIP?

>>69846798
Depends how they leave and when they leave.

For example Gura leaving now would mostly affect Hololive's pocket, not really holoEN's fanbase. If she left year 1? That would've crippled the branch.

>>69846676
It brings me great joy to see the seethe that FWMC brings to some people

>>69846540
>sana leaves
>tempus debuts and gets pushed so hard you'd think you were dealing with jehovas witnesses
>some girls torching their own fanbases for their sake, to no ones gain
>other girls dropping off the face of the earth
I know we circle around this drain alot but god those were terrible times

>>69846877
>Gura leaving would actually kill hololiveEN for a lot of people
lol, how many people can possible be sticking with HoloEN for 10 Gura streams per year?

>>69846914
Fuck if know, I suck at platformers and gave up shortly after this because you have to restart the whole stage on death

>>69843859
>I hate this new trend
>new
This isn't new. We've had this happen regularly for quite a bit of time and it's usually only "literally who" tier vtubers that do this. Big names in the scnene normally don't do this and there's a good reason why.

>>69845730
Koreans are the biggest weebs around and huge hololive fans. It's just a matter if Cover wants to deal with the rabid korean internet culture after the CH fiasco.

Did fauna always have this japanese in her bio?

>>69847012
Yes she was born with it

>>69846950
>how many people can possible be sticking with HoloEN for 10 Gura streams per year?
considering that every time she streams she gets 3x the audience the next best girl gets I think quite a lot of people are

>>69845466
How many? Other than those fucked up hands actually plenty of gens by ebifurya (previous pic, generally focusing on cute) and eu03 (this one, sexier and with potential for gigantic breasts) artists are actually pretty damn good, so it's more about looking for nice designs rather than shuffling through like dozens of completely unacceptable results. Tried many other artists but either disliked the style or they were much less consistent. Asagi-mama was kinda ok so maybe I could try testing some prompts again.
Mind you, if you want some actual detailed AI slop, better luck in the dedicated thread for that. I have the PC to generate things locally, but it's such a pain in the ass I just play around with NovelAI instead since I can even use it on phone when I'm bored at work or something.

>>69846470
This game is going to get numbers regardless of if HoloEN members shill it or not.

>>69846798
Ehhh I don't think that's necessarily true. There's a few pillars where if they left, most people would start ringing alarm bells. For EN that's Mori and Gura and no one else. For JP you have some of the first army but also pillars like Fubuki and Sora.
But you could graduate anyone from gen 4 to REGLOSS or anyone from Council/Advent without any issues. All of ID is also expendable except for Kobo.

>>69846683
Bae at least within her own gen is the most important member albeit not in the the grand scheme. You want the receipts? I'll provide the receipts with a straight face

>>69846939
this has nothing to do with FWMC
I will say the same about every other EN girl except Gura (and honestly even gura status is a bit threatened unless she starts streaming regularly again), as long as it didn't happen all at once even if one of them died nobody would care after a month
they are just simply not relevant enough to matter

Why no one made souls like holo fangame yet?
They would play it 100% if ER is anything to go by

>>69847091
It's two months old anon

>>69847148
So true sister #cut4hex

>>69846943
>I know we circle around this drain alot
You can say that again. I'm growing more and more convinced that half the shitposters in this thread and in the catalog still live in 2022 considering how stale their talking points are.

>>69846540
>maybe joining Hololive isn't that great
Coco is literal proof that this is true.

>news
Found a JP squirrel vtuber announced her graduation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvgxUr6_Rk
Memori Tsumugi, from Hashagu Production - looks like she could be Risu's mom, except she also has a younger looking alt model.

>>69847223
I know we circle around this drain alot

>>69845184
This. although they are kinda "reformed" these days. Council used to gave me that "i'm too good for this shit"

>>69847122
I don't think you realize how much people don't give a fuck in general. People would care for a month after they left and then go back to watching streams. Literally nothing can take down Hololive. It's too big and popular which is a great thing.

If you're a Hololive fan, shouldn't you be happy that Gura is the #1 vtuber in the world? It doesn't matter that she's not Japanese.

>>69847237
Wrong thread sorry

>>69847208
Mel was fired on January
Literally nobody talks or cares about it anymore
A music video with her and Choco got released this month and the thing is doing fuck all in terms of numbers.
Outside of the most popular girls in holo the whole community and company moves on fast. But hey keep calling me sister and ignoring reality

>>69846943
im so glad those times seem to be over, now the only thing they can do is seethe on twitter on why the girls dont want to collab with da bois or shit like that

>>69847287
Fauna has routinely gotten hit by imposter syndrome how the fuck you think they thought they were too good for anything

>>69847148
>even if one of them died
I see sisters say this a lot. They say it bout their own shitters in Niji. Gotta say, you fags are pretty strange.
>I'm not Parasocial I just watch for entertainment. Even if one of them died I wouldn't give a fuck and just watch someone else.

>>69847122
I can't believe I'm saying this, and I'm not going to say she's a huge pillar or anything, but I think Towa leaving would have more of an impact than you realize after how she's changed and integrated herself with a lot of people over the past couple of years.

>>69847225
Perhaps, but I think it's fair to excuse that as her being greedy since she admitted herself that she was upset with a 50% cut from merch.

>>69847335
>Mel
Are you for real nigger? Mel??

>>69841836
Can't forget the classic

>>69847297
i am a hololive fan and i wish vox was the #1 vtuber

He was right

>>69847297
>If you're a Hololive fan
Therein lies the problem.

>>69844893
CHUCHUCHU

>>69847297
Obvious bait

>>69847296
Go ahead and graduate Marine or Suisei and see if no one cares. It's one thing to go into soft retirement, it's another thing to leave when the company explicitly allows for soft retirement.
The red flag is the fact that someone that important to Hololive wanted to leave and the implications that has for the company's future

>>69847426
He was right about Council underperforming, it was just funny because his own wave flopped even harder relative to Luxiem and shortly after his entire branch went to complete shit.

>>69847335
If you took JP and EN and added them together, Mel was arguably both the least popular and least influential member. If you want a member leaving that we can still feel the aftershocks of 2 years later, look at Rushia. Hell, go back three years and I'd argue that Coco's mark is still felt.

>>69847335
>>69847296
>>69846798
Do you want to test that theory.

>>69847408
Girls from her gen and some holos acted like it was the end of the world and they would always remember her and then 4 weeks go by and we are back to people like you going
>MelWHO?
thanks for proving my point, as long as it doesn't happen all at once the community moves very fast.

>>69847439
I'm not saying that no one would care, of course people would care. I'm saying Hololive as a whole would still keep trucking on without feeling that much impact in success.

why are holofans itt wanting for holos to graduate?

>>69847335
these GEN1 jps had 5 years or so in hololive and FWMC are already gonna pass them in everything from video numbers to views to ccv to subs, in less than a quarter of their time wtf are you even bringing them up for?

>>69847485
Friendly fire on?

>>69847483
>Coco
Oh wow. It's almost like I addressed exactly this on my post
>Outside of the most popular girls in holo the whole community and company moves on fast.

>>69847529
>Girls from her gen and some holos acted like it was the end of the world and they would always remember her
Obviously no one was happy about her leaving and especially not her friends within Hololive but do you not understand why a girl with a strong case for being the single least popular member of HoloJP was a shitty example for your point?