/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>just remove the bad actors and leave the rest alone
the rest left, the bad actors were not removed

no

>>69841360
As far as Im concerned Hitler is still in control and everyone else is complicit in him running the reich while blaming the j i mean white people

>stop wishing for organs to have more than 2% and for them to not have a dwindling audience

>>69841360
Yep, I hope they stay for my own amusement. Can't wait for the next drama of the day.

>>69841360
>just remove the bad actors
Isn't that most of them though?

>>69841360
Who are good actors in NijiEn?
inb4 enna&elira

Nah I'm gonna wish for it harder just to spite you, fuck off don't tell me what to do

>At most, just remove the bad actors
my man, all thats left is the bad actors

>>69841360
I want their continued existence as a containment for all the crazies. I don't want a tumblr 2.0

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives
Niji EN is ruining peoples lives by staying operational. The ethical choice, is Total Niji Death. It will be good for the vtubing scene, to shut down a malicious actor.

>>69841771
Scarle and Rosemi are clearly hostages right now. I guess Petra never did anything wrong either as far as we know.

>>69841360
The bad actors are the core of the company, it's management.

Those are the people that never get replaced.

>>69841360
I'm wishing for the bullies to get what's coming to them. Imagine living life all the way into your young adult years and still think it's fine to mistreat others cause of pettiness, thinking it's a consequence-free world.

>>69841930
Their silence is consent

>>69841360
Yoyure trying to control our wishes now?
nijisissycuck blackcorpo shills are disgusting fascists confirmed

no fuck em

>>69841982
You've seen too many fucking movies. It's not that simple. You can't just quit a job without knowing what to do afterwards or making sure you're not going to get fucking sued too.

>>69841360
>just remove the bad actors and leave the rest alone
I think the good people should leave NijiEN and everyone else should stay so that their fanbase doesn't spread out to be everyone else's problem, actually

>>69841360
Unless there's some sort of mass revolt or management change, as far as I'm concerned, the people that did do wrong are still in charge, and I see no reason to trust that they will change their ways. They've already investigated themselves and found that they did nothing wrong, so what else is there to say?

>>69841982
That's what I told the jury in my rape trial.

>>69841982
No, it isn't. There isn't anything wrong with keeping your head down until you can bail, not everyone is going to be a burn bridges or martyr themselves.

The keep their heads down till they can graduate and move on to the next thing.

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
But that's funny!

>>69841771
Scarle, Rosemi and Maria.

>>69841360
>did nothing wrong
>still at nijien
anybody not graduated by the end of the year deserves to sink with the ship

>>69841982
Silence is never consent and should never be treated as such. I'm tired of hearing this dogshit take. Do you also think Silence is Violence?

>>69841360
I wanted them to die for years and we're closer than ever before
This plane is crashing to the ground and all they do is accelerate
Do you think we are responsible? Do you think we can stop them?

>>69841360
Rosemi and Maria are only supported as being "one of the good ones" because they're cute but they're only as guilty or innocent as the retards who weren't directly involved in the Doki fiasco, i.e anyone not Elira, Millie, Enna, Ike, Vox and maybe 1 or 2 more people.
I will regard them with as much suspicion as everybody else

>>69841360
No. I want the bad actors to stay and never leave.

>>69841360
>did nothing wrong
They joined Nijisanji EN. And I'm not saying that as an attack on their character, regardless of it is or isn't deserved, I'm saying that as a factual statement.

There’s good people I like there, but that doesn’t outweigh the bad actors that have been currently running the branch’s reputation into the ground either. Its fate as becoming yet another dissolved subdivision of the company just seems inevitable because this is Anycolor we’re talking about. They shuttered both NijiID and Yumenografia when they both had less issues than this, this is a NijiKR-like situation but on a much larger, global scale.
EN was necessary to achieve consistent growth, and now that is impossible because their brand is permanently damaged in the west. And since NijiJP reopened VTA, it’s likely that Anycolor is just planning on just sticking with JP from now on and will probably shutter EN due to bad PR.

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
We aren't the one who tried to kill their own livers

>>69841360

>No apology
>No change in pay structure or coordination with staff
>Trying to pay potential help absolute fuckin peanuts
>No gross incompetence filed and management restructuring

Nah. Company can fucking sink into the ocean on the yacht.

>>69841360
They're ruining their own lives staying with a company that doesn't pay them.

The bad actors have not been removed.
The beatings will continue until Nijisanji improves

>>69841360
I don't mind NijiEN but I support disbanding them so their cancerous fanbase in /NijiEN/ fucks off and never comes back

>>69841360
I wish for total EN death.

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong.
But they did nothing good either.

>>69841360
Sounds like a clique problem desu

TND

>>69841360
> just remove the bad actors
Selen already left though

>>69841635
SPBP

People have long been uncomfortable with Nijisanji's exploitative Black Company antics, and the dislike of the company has rightfully reached a boiling point after the Selen/Dokibird debacle. I do hope that innocent vtubers in the company can salvage their careers, but i don't care in the least if Riku's pyramid scheme collapses.

>>69841771
Correct me if I'm wrong but Aia seems like a good girl that dindu nuffin

>>69842384
This is also my attitude, staying is complicity after what happened. True AnyColors are being shown this year.

>>69841360
If there's anyone left who did nothing wrong, they're better off without Niji. Yes, even if that means they have to flip burgers.
The management is not only incompetent but malicious. From the livers who got out, we've learned that they provide no support in exchange for their cut of the income. They justify it by gaslighting the talents to believe that they are worthless without the company's brand backing them. Multiple departing members have found themselves either breaking even or deeply in debt despite appearing successful. They report harassment, abuse, and a cuthroat work environnent resulting in a range of psychological issues. This is encouraged by the company to keep them dependent. Employees turn on their old "friends" in an instant because their livelihood is threatened if they step out of line.

Good people do not belong in Nijisanji.

>>69843116
It's insane to me how they not only do fucking nothing for their talents, besides from the initial boost on subs due to the brand publicity, but they instead constantly get in their way.

>>69841360
that's the point Millie.
>the bad actors are all thats left.

>>69841360
just leave the bad actors to rot the black company and remove the rest from their clutches
FTFY

>>69842387
Violence is an action. Silence is consent all the time, are you retarded? When you enter an establishment no has to ask for your consent, you implicitly give it with your action of entering and non-action i.e. silence of not complaining. Only caveat is ignorance or physical limitations. In all other cases silence is consent and you get what you fucking deserve.

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong. At most, just remove the bad actors and leave the rest alone. You're ruining people's lives.

>>69842647

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
Yes, that's kinda the point

>>69841360
TOTAL NIJI DEATH

>>69841360
I want all of them to suffer, even the good ones. I want sadness and misery, mass lay-offs, and when all is said and done, attempted suicides. The theater never closes.

>>69841360
Nijiseethe

>>69841360
NijiEN is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it.
we need to pull it out by the roots. WIpe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN!
And from the ashes, a new NijiEN will be born. Evolved, but untamed!
The clique will be purged, and the UNITY will thrive
free to stream as they see fit, they will make NijiEN GREAT AGAIN!

>>69843735
i mean, legally, silence rarely equals consent. In many jurisdictions, silence can't be used to indicate agreement to a contract, let alone fucking.

>>69844268
korone's cartwheel is just, chef's kiss. beautiful

>>69841360
>ruining people's lives
That's Niiji's business model

>>69841360
All the "good" people already left. As Vox said: "We can graduate whenever we want!!" Meaning, anyone who has issues with the evil going on in there already had the chance to leave before they went full mask off. I'm sorry to tell you this. If your Oshi is still in Ninisanji, then she is evil.

>>69842235
>speak out
>get terminated
>reincarnate with a temporary model from Booth
>watch the support roll in
It's that easy, you can figure the rest out later

>>69841360
ACCELERATE!

>>69844638
>"We can graduate whenever we want!!"
He's lying, anon. They can graduate when their contracts are up. Every graduation has been 3-5 months before their debut anniversary. Pomu wanted out last Summer and had to wait, other members confirmed she talked to them about it.

>>69842234
Thanks for admitting you're a rapist?

>>69841360
Issue is that nijisanji management has made it out to be that they are all bad actors, there are no innocents right now

>>69841360
I don't wish for total dissolution because then their retard fans will swarm to hololive

>>69841360
NijiEN is it's own debuff. Except for the morons who actually ruined their own reputation, it's better for a given liver to get out of niji, if they even still want to be a vtuber. There is not a Niji who has actually declined after leaving the company, and they'd be getting a much better cut if they went indie. Even if you still want to be a corpo, you'd have a better chance of inclining in a different corpo. Nijisanji is, at this point, a reputational dead end and it seems like it will actually hinder your ability to make money as a vtuber. I just hope most of em prep a war chest and get out to a successful indie/different EN corpo, whenever their chance at the graduation roulette actually comes up. It looks like NijiEN can only be a stepping stone to better things.

>>69841930
>Petra
Wasn't she the one who bowed to the CCP in her PL?

>>69841360
Everyone's lives would be better if the company collapsed, so all the "Affiliation Contracts" get dissolved and everyone is free to go to a better corpo or go indie.
There is no conceivable perspective from which this isn't the better outcome for everyone, especially for people's livelihoods

>>69844784
Anyone who had quit between february 5 and february 13 while denouncing nijisanji would've been propped by the entire western streaming sphere as heroes. Dumb cunts deserve whatever they get in that shit company.

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
I do not think this was harassment. Since Vox said it with Nijisanji lawyers' approval, they approve of this logic. ThereforeNijisanji approves anything any of us do as long as we don't think it's harassment.

>>69841360
NijiEN is completely tainted in the public eye anon, the branch dissolving would be the good ending, no one staying there is going to ever pull numbers again and will forever will be seen as either a bully, complicit or straight up evil.
At least if the branch dissolves they can mostly go indie, we've seen it happen and they are doing better than before.

すべてのNIJI ENを終了する。生存者なし

>>69841360
NijisanjiEN is fine, /vt/ is the cancer. The sooner we're eradicated from the internet the better.

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
The good ones will survive just like all those that left.

>>69841360
If you care one iota about the talents, you want that branch dissolved. Most are still clean enough to get a job nearly anywhere else while keeping a good portion of their fanbase, and likely can still have hordes of lost subscribers return to their new lives, but that cleanliness is not going to last. The longer the branch persists the more people will have their reputations sullied beyond repair.

If the branch keeps going as it is - and every indication and leak suggests that it is going to, they are in their own reality now - eventually, one or more of them is going to have their career in media destroyed for life like Elira has. More importantly, eventually, one or more of them is going to die - or perhaps Doki will. There's countless psycho fans and people good at tracking people down among the millions of fans they have between them. Their lives are in far more danger than anyone lets on, thanks to a management willing to throw them under the bus at the drop of a hat.

It might be suicide, it might be murder, but so long as the branch remains, it's just a matter of time before something happens to cause this to go from Youtube news to main stream news. Then even the boomers will know, and boomers, legislate. Some can't what to see what sort of industry destroying regulations they will bring down on us all.

For the sake of the talent's careers and lives, for the sake parent company, and for the survival of the entire industry, NijiEN must die.

>>69845491
/vt/ was made by hololive fans, for hololive global
that is not an exaggeration nor a slight against non-holos
when shitposters say "hololive board" they mean it literally
even the reason rule 1 exists is because hololive global made it in collaboration with a meido

>>69841360
No, I don't think I will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bkTxRPdr1M

>>69841360
Stop making delicious yabs and we'll stop eating so damn good lol

>>69845491

>>69845213
And then they would've gotten sued out of their homes for breach of contract. You can't just bail on those.

>Just get yourself terminated!
They won't let them go that easily.
There's a good chance Scarle was trying to get out. Aster should be gone if Luca's leak was real. Luca should be gone either way after what his mod confessed to.
They're terrified of the optics of terminating anyone while this shit is going on, so we're getting stealth suspensions left and right instead while they try to cover up as much as they can.

>>69841360
It's a shame but unless the clique gets rightly punished for their actions up to and including termination, the "good" livers will continue to be collateral damage. You've got to remove the cancer if you want to save the host.

>>69841360
The Large Majority of them deserve to have better contracts with better management under a better, not necessarily bigger, company.

>>69842235

If someone at my job actually tried to kill themselves due to working conditions. I'd lawyer up and be out the same day; that shit is not normal, it is not a normal scenario.

This isn't like software devs quitting at apple because a factory worker in taiwan killed themselves. This person was the top female talent at their branch and she got bullied into suicide attempts lol. Like even just self preservation at that point i'd be gone that's the main reason I believe there's still some final horrible leak because something must be compelling them to stay beyond a contract because i guarantee a dime store lawyer could get you out of a contract at a company where an actual coworker you saw everyday attempted suicide.

Honestly when people like you talk about not martyring or keeping your head down or bpd or any other cope scenario it just shows that you've never had a real job. Never interacted with legal holds or corporate lawyers or anything beyond just arguing with workers and managers on a line or something lol.

>>69841360
This is for their own good. We're saving them before there are more victims.

>>69845778
Too bad I have no reason to believe it when all these livers already got out and a liver on the inside confirmed that they can leave whenever they want. All rrats may be real, but bullshit is not a rrat.

>>69841360
I want Niji EN to stay so that all horrible people are contained in that shithole. Do better job sisters, that faggot Kyo already leaked out. You can't even do the simple job of being sewage tank.

>>69845102
She didn't have a choice.

>>69844784
By the public, but anything corporate is going to dodge that shit in a heartbeat and you'll have 0 collab opportunities with either niji or hololive.

>>69844784
Sure, it's sooo viable. That's why Sayu was thriving for months after she got out, now able to do big collabs within the vtuber scene as if nothing ever happened, right?
I don't blame them for laying low to avoid being the next Sayu. For now all we can do is try to get them out of there and see whatever they can say then.

>>69846430
>all these livers already got out
Yes, all at a time that lines up with contract renewal
>a liver on the inside confirmed that they can leave whenever they want.
The same liver who claimed to have "thoroughly reviewed" legal documents he should not have had access to while smearing his former coworker for the sake of company PR. Yeah no I don't buy anything he says. Even his fans called that his "gaslighting voice", at best he was reading a script from the same control freak managers who caused this whole mess.

>>69841360
get a real job

>>69842995
sure thing pal

>>69841360
no, i don't think i shall

>>69846933
You don't have to be intimidated by an experienced woman anon, she'd probably think your virgin reactions are cute

>>69841360

>>69846842
>Vox is lying, we totally did not serve them documents we shouldn't have

>>69846933
slut for BWC

>>69841360
> You're ruining people's lives

Well that's fucking rich, coming from someone who supports a company who attempted to ruin a life

>>69846361
What if they do the old hollywood trick? Force you to fuck a child, document it and then hold the blackmail over your head forever.

>>69841360
Sisters, how do we respond to nipponese mockery??

>>69847822
post manipulated images to scare them off

>>69841360
some peoples lives deserve to be ruined.

>>69845613
It was made because /jp/ was getting more and more pissed at vtuber posts.

>>69841360
I don't want the dissolution of NijiEN at all, but not because I like the company. It's because I hate Nijifags so fucking much I would rather them stay contained in Nijisanji then have them roaming into Hololive and other companies shitting everything up. Riku keep them contained and you'll have my respect

>>69848146
not only is that objectively wrong, vtubers are still posted there

>>69841360
They joined NijiEN of their own accord, and had plenty of chances to leave before things got this bad.
They have only themselves to blame.

>>69841360
total niji death inshallah

>>69847025
The only way to get a score that low is to have engaged in bestiality and necrophilia.

>>69845778
I thought graduating was always an option?

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing
That's right, they did nothing when Zaion and Selen got harassed.

>fans of company are mostly female
>biggest livers are males
>women still snake their way up to managerial or.near managerial roles and fuck everything up anyway

Women.

>>69841360
I hope Rosemi, Scarle and Vivi can escape. The rest it varies from "I couldn't care less" to "I hope you're stuck in that prison black company until the end days".
I'd rather not see Nijisanji dissolved because it's important they stay around as a containment corpo for the worst talents and the worst fanbase. It would be horrible if Nijisanji disappear tomorrow and their fans spread out and infected the rest of English speaking vtubing with their retardation.
When their reputation improves from vanta black to onyx grey a few months from now they can start releasing more waves. The people they'll get at that point will know exactly what they're in for, and therefore have been filtered trash.

>>69848463
99% of chuubas worth a shit are female tf you on

>>69841360
What about all the lives ruined by their existence and meat grinder attitude?
They literally trashed the EN and ID market ad unprofitable until they got heemed by Hololive.

Their mangers and mods go onto social media and attack rival corpos talents and spread rumors then shriek and cry when someone implies they might not be great.

Fuck off.

>>69841360
I wish for total eceleb death in general.

>>69848577
He's talking about NijiEN.

>>"2% is a lot. Imagine 100 people, and then you get 2 people. That's a lot."
The average iq of a nijjer.

>>69848577
99% of chuubas ain't shit either and certainly not all chuubas manage themselves.

They need a strong, male hand at the helm to truly succeed.

>>69848171
Fuck that's a disaster scenario. Imagine being at small agency on the way up and fucking Elira, Enna and Millie are your next gen. Thinking that they're too good to be there and trying to convince management that this was how XYZ was done in Niji and that's the way it should be done.

>>69848859
I'd be more concerned about the fans.

>>69846782
There was a hatemob against Sayu for weeks before she was terminated, while after Selen's termination the pendulum swung all the way in the opposite direction
>>69846600
HoloEN barely does collabs outside Hololive anyway, you're missing out on like 1-2 collabs a year if they avoid you. Anyone worthwhile would leave NijiEN so that's no loss.

>>69841360
yeah, that's why we should remove nijisanji/nijien and let something else fill in the space they do not deserve

>>69841360
Chuubas like Nina, Mysta, and Selen have shown that when someone graduates then reincarnates that their fan base will follow them. The best thing is for the Niji livers to graduate and then follow the ones you like when they reincarnate.

>>69841360
suck my cock nijinigger

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
im sorry that nijien failed to kill someone. dissolution is the merciful option.

>>69846430
>they can leave whenever they want
Pomu's graduation was known internally in July of last year. Maria said she knew about it then, and she implied she was late to the party on learning about it. Pomu didn't get to graduate until January.
https://youtu.be/bW24zVTsFBI?t=8230

Not good enough? That's okay. Let's hear about the graduation queue straight from the dog's mouth.
Mysta stream 1 month before his graduation:
>I had decided to graduate before she(Nina) had
>I had already had conversation with management around 5 months ago in regards to graduation
>Believe it or not, graduation actually takes quite a long time
It's not a rrat if livers themselves confirm that it takes a while to graduate.
https://youtu.be/JkuIiCRJFQc?t=961

Maybe next time don't take a PR piece so seriously and instead listen to what they say in actual streams; when they don't have an incentive to cover the company's ass. You know what happens when you end a contract early? You run into penalty clauses. Which are conditional fines imposed to ensure you don't break your contract in the first place. Remember when WACTOR tried to charge someone tons of money for quitting? Yeah that kinda shit.
>you can leave whenever you want
>if you leave before we let you then we will fine you
These two statements are not contradictory, but any rational mind would agree that the latter makes the former disingenuous at best.

>>69846933
jesas with that score she might well have done 18+ camming before vtubing

>>69844594
She's obviously pivoting over an unseen bar, or more likely an assistant's arm.

>>69841360
Nijisanji nearly killed one of the most beloved chuubas in EN. Fuck them and everyone who didn't quit on the spot. Even now they're plotting how to harass her even more. It would be better for niji EN to cease to exist and let better companies like Phase and Vshojo take its place.

>>69849529
>Don't believe these nijis when they are veing forced to tell the truth by management, believe these other nijis when they are doing entertainment pueces where they can say whatever the fuck instead
Nah.

>>69841771
They're all clique members as far as I'm concerned
It's like The Thing.
You can't trust a single one of them.
I can't even trust Pomu or Nina.

>>69849529
>Pomu's graduation was known internally in July of last year. Maria said she knew about it then, and she implied she was late to the party on learning about it.
When was the member stream where pomu cried about the lost opportunity?

>>69849693
May. It was definitely the catalyst that caused her to quit.

>>69842210
You can in fact quit. Vox said it himself. Graduation is always an option. I would announce my graduation myself and then let niji sort it out

>>69841360
Burn it to the ground.

>>69842210
>You can't just quit a job without knowing what to do afterwards
I quit 6 jobs in 5 years. It's ezpz if you have a spine.

>>69849655
>where they can say whatever the fuck instead
If you believe Livers are allowed to lie about management during normal streams then you are truly hopeless. That was even on Zaion's laundry list of criminal deeds. Not only is it against activity rules, it opens you up to actual legal problems. They can sue you for revenue loss caused by reputational damage.

>>69849938
How many of those were a year-long contract with harsh penalties for quitting early? You think Pomu waited seven months after she made the decision because she just wanted to be deliberately held back from success a little longer?

>>69845613
/vt/ was created, to boot especially Hololive threads from /jp/ because they were taking up the whole board and pushing off all the other threads.

>>69849786
Yea let us get back at you on that in a year

>>69849963
that moment when preserving managements honor is more important than curbing blatant racism

>>69849732
man...

>>69849529
>Maria, January 17, 2024
>I could leave any time I want
>Leaving is really hard [emotionally]
>I don't see myself leaving for at least a year or two minimum
>As long as you keep supporting me, I'll continue to work even harder
>I feel I've been getting a lot of opportunities lately
>I'm going to work hard so those people giving me opportunities don't feel like they're being wasted

>Selen termination happened on February 5
Wonder how she feels now

>>69850095
3. One as a nurse on moral grounds, 2 as security guard on inhumane working conditions. If the reason is valid, they can't do shit.

>>69841360
The bad actor is anycolor, so okay let's remove anycolor, and how, what a surprise niji EN is dissoluted.

>>69849663
That’s the depressing part about NijiEN, because of everything that went down this past month you can’t really trust anyone right now. Even if, and this is a really big “if”, it somehow turns out that the clique is innocent because reasons, it’s not going to make things any better for Anycolor. EN’s reputation is still in the gutters, and the thing that will be on everyone’s mind every time they watch a collab stream from then on would be
>”Huh…I wonder if these people actually like each other. Are they actually nice to each other behind the scenes, or are there just unseen arguments like what happened with Selen?”

In this case, it really is over for NijiEN. Anycolor would be more justified than they were with Yumenografia or NijiKR to just shut EN down.

>>69850232
Was there one at a foreign sweatshop where no one in upper management speaks your language and your coworkers have a laundry list of bullshit to smear you with at the drop of a hat?

>>69847491
Nijisanji have basically attempted this, just not quite as extreme. They got away with it with Zaion, but exonerated her by trying it again with Selen. Now Niji could accuse their livers of engaging in paedophilia and no one would even believe them beyond the usual bootlickers.

>>69850210
>I don't see myself leaving for at least a year or two minimum
So you're saying she already handed in her resignation but is at the end of the queue?

>>69849529
Hire a lawyer. It's very easy to get out of a company with these kind of work conditions

>>69841360
>you are ruining peoples lives
good, i dont support racists
eat shit and die niji intern.

>>69844268
Koro-san, I kneel.

>>69850489
That's what Selen did. That's literally what sparked the whole thing. She sent a document to HR trying to get out of her contract.

>>69849126
Yes, that's my point. Selen was lucky to be big enough to have people doubt Niji's side of the story, but if someone smaller or more niche like Scarle or Vivi got a hit piece, they'd be completely fucked over like Sayu was.

I remember when Nestle was participating in shit like actual slavery but holding them accountable wasn't easy because of the thousands of sub divisions, contractors, etc. etc.

But with entertainment companies holding them accountable is way easier. It's not like they have employees into the 6 digits and are running lots of different suppliers and shit with little or fragmented oversight. Also remember that vox said that if they have an issue, they can graduate whenever they want so they're 100% complicit.

>>69849529
I so want Maria to be one of the good ones.

>>69850434
Well, I'd believe it if Niji said it about Vox.

>>69850434
>enna might get away with showing cp to other organs

>>69841360
>You're ruining people's lives.
They almost ended one.

>>69850489
Isn't that what the sisters were raving about? "You don't hire a lawyer when you want to get out peacefully." Insanity.

>>69850489
Look at what they do to terminated talents. They make expose hit pieces designed to make sure you can never work in the industry again. You can't leave this company without ending your career for good. Many of these talents either can't or don't have the courage to try and go indi, and most of those that could have drunken the koolaid. Those that have are really in their own reality bubble. Do you realize how divorced from the way of things you have to be to think that putting out a video dogging on a popular suicide victim was a good idea after the initial reaction to the termination? The only way to save these people is to crash the branch.

>>69841360
Not my problem

>>69850943
With how incompetent Niji is as of late, they'd probably go "Vox fucked children which we provided at no extra cost to all of our livers. Wild caught from indonesea."

>>69850329
They also fucked up the value of any tweets from the livers, even if completely genuine there's now a shadow of doubt cast over them.
>Liver: "Hey guys, I'm going to spend some time with my family"
>Fans: "Management have suspended them haven't they?
>Liver: "I love being in Nijisanji"
>Fans: "Management are skinwalking the liver's twitter account"
Why the fuck did they out themselves for doing this in Zaion's termination letter? How, after fucking it up the first time, did they manage to blunder into revealing they skinwalk tweets too?

>>69850943
>vox diddled underaged fans
>we knew about that
>but we did jack shit though luck :^)

>>69844402
THIS
PLEASE KILL EVERYONE AND LET A NEW EN BEGIN!

>>69851175
Those are just people that don’t want to admit that NijiEN made a huge mistake because it not only reflects poorly on their oshi, but themselves too for supporting this behavior indirectly. They want Selen to take the blame for everything, even things she wasn’t at fault for.
Hell, Anycolor could dissolve EN on Monday, and I bet those fans would still find a way to pin it on Selen, and not the talents themselves or their incompetence management. It’s the closest a fanbase has gotten to a cult-like mentality on the level of Scientology.

>>69851562
Correction, it would be
>We knew about that
>We're not legally obligated to do anything about that
>We did nothing wrong

>>69850232
>If the reason is valid, they can't do shit.
And this is why Doki kept so much evidence for her lawyer. Without that they would've slapped her with everything they could the moment she spoke out. I don't doubt they'd do the same if someone tried to bail.

>>69841360
At this point, EN is a cancer. To salvage anything of value, they need to rebrand completely, and pander to the Chinese/SEA fujoshit audience with male livers. The use of English will be used as a unifying language only as their target demographic doesn't give a shit about western culture or norms.

They need to have an amicable parting of the ways with everyone else, and stay the fuck out of the western market since proving that they can't be bothered to learn how to operate in this sphere nor provide proper support for their livers there.

heh

>>69851858
>otk-tier meltdown but with fujos and underage fucking

>>69842233
>Uki investigated himself and found that he isn't racist at all.

>>69851892
100%, this is why she saved it, and create a document with her lawyer, as part of the case they have going behind the scenes.

The only party who has gone out of their way to share more details to smear the other, and tried to make a public spectacle out of this - is Nijisanji. Doki tried to handle shit through the lawyer behind the scenes - and then Elira dropped the black screen just as her stream went live.

Here is the stream, you can watch the end, watch what their little games do to her. They are shitty people and deserve to go down.

She start talking about being made aware of the black screen video at around 9 min, and what follows is her slowly breaking down and ending the stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YCUbQOJB0

They dropped it when she started the stream specifically to fuck with her.

>>69850801
>if someone smaller or more niche like Scarle or Vivi got a hit piece, they'd be completely fucked over like Sayu was.
Maybe if it were a month ago, but today I think very few people would accept Niji's version of events even if true. Since this bungled termination, I've seen people reverse their opinion of Sayu too.
>Maybe Nijisanji was bullshitting us back then too

>>69841982
Rope yourself immediately.

>>69851771
I was definitely a big fan of Elira and Enna, and I still think that the rrats about their personalities and "yabs" are bullshit, but these are different and even worse than the picture the schizos tried to paint. Definitely tainted my image of them. I still hope I'm wrong, but I'm definitely not taking their side right now. (The schizos are still schizo though.)

>>69852214
>I've seen people reverse their opinion of Sayu too
yeah, me for example.
I watched a bit of her Palworld collab today, she seems really sweet.

>>69852034
Typed it out myself to do my part.

>>69852288
We have always been schizo.

>black company loaded with bullying racist scum
I think I'll keep being a thorn in their side if it's alright with you.

>>69849786
>Vox only streams once a month
Vox hates his femcel sub-human fans he hates streaming lmao
At least he has time to be with his lover Reimu lol
And he gets a shit ton of money from you cuckquean sisters kek

>>69852164
Not many people talk about this detail. They went out of their way to fuck with her by airing this while she was live. They legit tweeted/retweeted the announcement 20 minutes before the stream's scheduled start, it was downright petty.

>>69852214
i really thought she was done dirty by them and something bigger was going on behind the scenes with the organs unceremoniously throwing her under the bus as well, still miffed about her design being wasted there

>>69849786
This is not how it works in a corporate environment, jackass

>>69852214
The ones who need to hear it probably aren't /here/, but it really is in their best interest of anyone in the queue to break as soon as possible to ride the positive coverage Doki is getting, which will cover any potential losses Nijisanji hits them with for early severance. The big streamers' coverage has been largely sympathetic to the organs themselves, but even that's eroding.

The longer they wait, the more people will forget or consider them "complicit."

>>69841360
>Stop Wishing For The Dissolution of NijiEN
No.
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong
lmfao
>You're ruining people's lives.
They ruined their own lives by being cunts.

Most nijisisters catalog threads are showing they are already on the bargaining stage.
Wouldn't be surprised if they start doomposting soon.

>>69849786
have fun with the 5 million yen fine a la wactor

>>69841360
I hope they unionize , otherwise I can't support them again

>>69852427
I've come to the conclusion that everyone is makiong a category error.
Niji PR looks so comically bad because it is not PR but just the continuation of the harassment in public.
That explains all the typos, released before deadline, factually wrong graduation notices in the past (last kick out the door).
And all the communication in Selen's case.

>>69841360
>ruining people's lives
These people tried to ruin vtubing. Seriously, by trying to force in metas that are unfavorable for all audiences (male or female, they all got burned hard sooner or later) and are only favorable for themselves: disregard anything the people say or express or want, make them grovel at your feet and be grateful they are allowed to watch the next co-ed offcollab. But, oh, do member up for my next BFE/GFE ASMR which is totally sincere I promise, and look forward to the next release of keychains and stickers for merch. They take us all for negative IQ and are acting shocked that no, we're not.

These peop;e (and their enablers) deserve to have not their lives, but for all they've done, their vtubing careers ruined in return. if vtubing being ruined for them = their lives are 'ruined' too, then actually they are even bigger, more incompetent losers than the paying audiences that they make fun of so much, since they cannot actually-make it in life without being internet panhandlers. QED.

>>69852841
TBF many women in entertainment, consider men to be low IQ paypigs they humor to extract money from.

Zaion, Selen, Pomu.
Mysta even though he's a faggot. He was unironically alright even if I wasn't his audience.
Victoria and Scarle, perhaps even Aia despite her being a literal whore.
Rosemi and Maria.
Those are the good ones, everybody else deserves all the shit they get.

>>69847025
>Experienced women
Is whore too harsh for you? If you're a whore at least have the guts to say it, imagine giving your pussy and ass to anyone and getting butthurt because someone called you a whore lol

>>69852785
you should pray your favourite talents find a better home and move successfully to a healthier organization
nijien as an organization fully deserves to die from what we have seen

nijien should consider selling or transferring the talent IPs as a gesture of apology

>>69852575
Same, but it's undeniable the smear campaign against her worked for most of Nijisanji's fans and even bystanders who didn't care enough to look into it. They've undone that successful campaign with Selen.

>>69852214
Yep, nobody knew shit about Zaion, so without any other livers backing her up there was no reason for anyone but her biggest fans to doubt take her at her word. Mata and Kuro's complaints about management made her a little more credible, but they were vague enough that it didn't have that much of an effect.
Then the idiots thought they could pull the same trick with one of the most beloved streamers in the EN scene. It's not only dragoons know her a lot better than Zaion's fans did, she constantly went out of her way and spent her own money to make events for everyone, in and out of the company. Other Niji fans liked her, indie fans liked her, hell HoloStars fans would kill for her after TSB. You can't throw bullshit accusations out against someone like that and expect them to stick.

Using the exact same tricks against someone like Selen blew their cover wide open, and now their smear campaign against Sayu is cast into doubt. Even if you don't know or like Sayu, it's now obvious that Niji's accusations were a hit piece to cover their own reputation.

>>69850103
The holo board there still is the biggest thread there, /jp/ touhou cucks fear the new powerhouse(hololive)

>>69853069
Threadreader

>>69841540
>least retarded leftoid

>>69852785
>start union
>Elira at the help
Incurable cancer

>>69852785
you know that making a union doesn't just magically fix things right?

>>69852785
>2% cut is now halved due to union dues

>>69852417
Don't sully the good name of cuckqueans by comparing them to those femcels.

>>69853529
>union leader (elira pendora) dictates who gets some cut and when, otherwise you get 0

>>69841360
>Stages of Grief / Total Yab
>Denial
>>Selen is fine! She's not going to graduate! The MV will return soon! She wasn't mistreated! Management did nothing wrong!
>Anger
>>Selen violated the rules and got what she deserved! She's a BPD menhera! Stop unsubbing! Stop shorting the stock! Stop attacking Niji! Stop supporting her! She asked for it and now she'll pay in court!
>Bargaining
>>Niji made some mistakes but the EN branch disintegrating is bad for vtubing overall so let's work together. Doki wants to move on and we do too. Some of the livers were bad actors, so we can punish them and you can leave everyone else in peace.
^^^^ You are here. ^^^^
>Depression
>Acceptance

>>69853175
>Selling/giving IPs

Imagine giving Selen out. Either it causes a shitstorm to whoever buys it or a Dragoon gives it back to Doki for extra humiliation.

>>69854145
it was meant for the talents currently still in nijien if they would like to move out or go independent

>>69853802
We'll know the shit's really hit the fan when the amount of censorship around the topic increases here like it has on reddit (involvement of paid PR damage control teams).

Reminder that Selen made a video about niji family and got literally crucified because of it. All the good ones have already left with only a few exceptions like Scarle. The rest are either the clique or pledged loyalty to the clique, like Rosemi, Petra and Maria.

>>69854330
There's evidence to point out Petra is out since she's already been spotted doomposting on PL

>>69841360
Which ones are the good ones?
All the remaining ones that I can think of are Petra, Rosemi, Luxiem rape gen and the new gens with dumb names

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong.
And they'd be genuinely better off if nijisanji went belly up

>>69854692
meloko i think, but she's basically jp at this point

>>69854692
I still think Fulgur is a possibility, given his closeness to Scarle and him tweeting on his PL account to reassure people (almost in real time to questions brought up /here/ strangely enough...)

>>69841360
No, I hate the culture of nijiEN and I want the branch gone

>>69854672
some pentomos have claimed fake, but if it is fake it's the best fucking astroturfing ever accomplished in /vt/
What if she's actually evil and she's the one who leaked the "tweet"?

>>69855874
some claimed fake some claimed real. in todays nijisanji im inclined to believe that its true solely because of how active ndf is and it came out of nowhere since nobody really talks about petra.

>>69841360
>all out war
>le owning 4chan stream
>countless other tranny yabs
>fants reflect the streamer
nope

>>69841360
You should know that they want out.

>>69841360
Only when Elira, Enna and Millie stop being cunts

>>69841360
>you're ruining people's lives
good, faggot

>>69855480
I think he is a likely candidate, given how articulate the leaker is. But one of the women could also be a possibility.

>>69845778
Breach of contract isn't carte blanche to sue for millions. They could have easily made up what they would have lost in a few days if they did it at the height of the drama.

>>69841360
The real problem is without NjiiEN, some one else will get shit on all the time instead.

>>69857135
Also, where are the sisters going to migrate to?

>>69841360
I WISH FOR THE DISSOLUTION OF NIJIEN
LET IT ALL BURN TO THE GROUND
MY PRICE IS ME DYING TO ILLNESS
I WILL PAY IT
LET NIJIEN BE GONE

>>69857256
Back to kpop probably.

>>69841360
Close NijiEN down, that would solve so much of this mess.

>>69857256
They can fuck off back to kpop boybands. At worst some will drift to Cover's homos, but I feel like any that might do that already 'watched' them before all this.

>>69853802
>Some of the livers were bad actors, so we can punish them and you can leave everyone else in peace.
Anycolor isn't even at this point yet. They haven't properly punished anyone, and they probably never will. Which is a shame since a mass termination is pretty much the only thing that would earn Anycolor the slightest bit of good will from the general public. They need to excise the tumor to prove they weren't complicit as a company. The problem is that doing so would make them look bad to nips.
A show of good will, proving they are willing to put in the effort to change, is what the west wants.
But to Japan, that would just be an admission of incompetence on how they weren't able to manage their talents(which is also true).

>>69841360
Yeah... no you got it reversed, buddy. People's lives have been ruined because of Nijisanji.

Proof?
> A talent got fired because of her asking about baseball and making jokes about it, because baseball was practically a huge sponsor for Niji (Gundo Mirei)

> One of the reasons a talent was fired was because of a fucking DEEZ NUTS gag of all things. Talent invested so much money to make their debut dazzling that it left her in the red, without the company paying a single cent for her when it was expected of a billion dollar company to do so (Zaion LanZa)

> One talent had a very huge opportunity for a very big project given to her, but management flatly declined it, without giving a second thought. Not to mention the length of the time that it took for her 3D model to get made because their joke excuses of management won't have it made for them (Pomu Rainpuff)

Finally,

> One talent tried to arrange an inter-branch tournament for Fall Guys and had the perms for it, only for management to quickly make her perms void and say that she is not allowed to make inter-branch tournaments anymore and that if she does, it's for EN only. That rule is made exclusive *only* for her. Strike one.
>Talent held a competition for her new outfit, even promising a cash prize for the outfit that is being chosen to be the official one, only for management to refuse paying out a single penny for the winners and that all chosen outfits will be theirs even if they would not pay for it. Said talent had enough of this bullshit and reassured participants that she will pay them herself out of her own pocket, to the point where she had to fight management to do it. Strike two.
>Talent wanted to make a huge project that took months to make, as a huge "thank you" for all the support she was guven during her tenure in the company thus far, which included all of her workmates in NijiEN, including livers that already departed. This made management lose their minds because of "copyright reasons" even though THEY OWN THE IP TO THOSE CHARACTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE. So they deleted the video from said liver's official channel and told everyone to reupload it for everyone to see. Talent has disappeared from all forms of social media for uncomfortable amounts of time. Third strike.

>Talent went into a downward spiral because company won't acknowledge all of these extraordinary things she brought for the company, which should reinforce their positive public image, akin to someone baking a cake for someone's birthday, only for the baker of the cake to get slapped in the face with that same cake for choosing the wrong flavor. Talent attempted to do the deed not once, but twice as revealed in a recent statement.
>Talent was forcefully discarded out of the company like a broken toy, and said company continues to slander her and ruin her public image using their own livers as meatshields for management. Said livers took a huge hit from a decrease in sub count, even afflicting those mentioned in lawyers' papers THAT ANYONE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE HAD NO RIGHT TO READ. (Selen Tatsuki)

>>69857721
Probably need to make a spectacle of management changes too. I'm not saying they should try yet another smear campaign of the people in management who're getting shuffled elsewhere or fired over this, shouldn't even mention that people have been fired or reassigned and just focus on the fact they've got new people in positions of power. Make a tweet or something welcoming the new NijiEN director for example to give people the impression that an overhaul of NijiEN operations are taking place.

>>69841360
anon Niji brought this on themselves, not us.

>>69857135
Probably Vshojo. You can kind of see it already starting to a certain extent. Personally I have no real opinion about them but I've seen an increase in people shitting on them.

>>69858322
Vshojo always had this sort of mixed reception, its just that it generally went back up thanks to Henya.

>>69858048
>Not to mention the length of the time that it took for her 3D model to get made because their joke excuses of management won't have it made for them (Pomu Rainpuff)
the model was done long time ago, but there were some issues with it that were supposed to be fixed. they didnt fix it.

>>69858048
The funny thing is that Doki's lawyer caused half of the misunderstandings by mistranslating things into Japanese

>>69858549
This was just a theory by the YouTube lawyer as far as I'm aware.

>>69848171
this desu, niji is a containment company for nijinigs

>>69858322
VShojo just feels like the Ironmouse friends resort. If there's ever a company that will implode like Niji currently is I feel like it will be them

Let’s be real this entire thing proves we can trust no one except Sayu, Doki and 99% Scarle.

At this point Niji should just cut the entire branch or go full great purge and restart with whoever they can prove innocent. Any future “family” post or drama is gonna restart the entire ride for them until they do so.

NijiEN is a fucking hot potato of a mess.

>>69858322
i was indifferent to outright avoiding them even though i used to be a pikamee fan

>>69858703
It's not really a theory, it's a provable fact through deduction akin to 1+1=2 using doki's own statement. If all the communications were in Japanese and there was a translation error, there's only one person who could have screwed up.

>>69858549
Nice fanfiction sister. Still hoping it catches on?

>>69858746
i can understand people hating on vshojo because of the retard reveal culture alone. like why even are you vtubing at this point?

>>69841360
The graduations will keep happening until morale improves.

>>69858918
Elira trying to translate that shit back to english?

>>69859155
Graduation is the main content after all

>>69858918
Sister, Niji's lawyers couldn't even win a defamation case against a dramatubers in JAPAN. You're seriously expecting competence out of them when they've proven time and time again that they suck?

>>69841360
Kill yourself

>>69858549
Provide a reliable source stating that the communication issue was due to Doki's lawyer. I'm sure you have one since you seem incredibly confident about it.

>>69841360
Kill yourself

>>69859600
source? probably some fanfic on doxxsissy forum, as usual.

>>69858549
>Doki’s lawyer caused this.

That fanfic is so shitty that even if real, still the entire legal team of a Corpo couldn’t double ask for confirmation. The entire PR team couldn’t write a 3 page document without outing and contradicting themselves.

And certaintly they had all the time to THINK before releasing the black video. Nijisis your own fantasy is to see Niji being an incompetent circus, stop the shilling.

>>69859249
Really, if you want to maximize quarterly profits you want to maximize graduations since they tend to bring in the most money. Niji needs to normalize debuting and graduating organs within a 2 year period to maximize profit.

>>69858178
Agree. Talents need to be terminated and there needs to be some evidence that management has been shuffled. That's the minimum to get the public to trust NijiEN again. And public trust is a very important thing for an entertainment company. Put aside the moral and ethical issues involved for a moment and consider the following: Nobody wants to watch your comedians when people think they are being mistreated backstage. It's a total buzzkill. I'm here to be entertained and NijiEN can't do that anymore.

>>69859160
Elira is bilingual and grew up speaking Japanese.

>>69859600
Lol it's not my fault you can't do basic addition. If A leads to B, and B leads to C, A necessarily leads to C.

If they don't have enough brains to read the writing on the wall then they're essentially doing it to themselves

>>69860189
I thought the narrative was she couldn't possible have been management because her japanese was shit?

>>69860436
that was literally never said

>>69858322
Vshojo always got shat on, their reputation got better because of NotPikamee and because niji is 10 times more retarded and steals the highlight

>>69860766
You people change the narrative so much I can't keep up.

>>69860189
So not only do you not have any evidence, you actually just came here to insult the intelligence of others for not buying into your baseless narrative. Sorry sister, if it's SOOO obvious, feel free to prove it. It's funny you mention math though, because mathematical proofs exist. Let's see yours.

>>69860016
>Talents need to be terminated and there needs to be some evidence that management has been shuffled
Yep. But they don't get this because they still have a massive case of JP corpo autism.

This is the time to show decisive action to show everyone that they are in command and addressing the issue at hand (cue Machiavelli).
Slowly bleeding livers is the worst as it shows nothing changed and it reminds people of this fact every month.

>>69841360

>>69858322
>Vshojo thread full of “shitposters begone”.
>Niji-related thread suddenly gets filled with Vshojo shitposting.

>>69851473
the simple answer is NijiEN management are, quite literally, Japanese children who barely pass English classes in Japan and are trying to get an "in" with the company.
Suddenly these retarded mistakes make much more sense when you realize it has been barely-even adults making decisions for the organs

>>69858322
i think it started shifting back with the whole audition bullshittery and them ending up just getting whoever is already stablished and/or orbits them hard enough to not get vetoed

>>69841360
No, I want the yacht sunk. I don't give a fuck about male vtubers and a male vtuber enabling company like niggersansji can die and stay die. The evil bitches can go fuckoff to onlyfans or something while all the other girls can go indie or join one of the other corpos

>>69841360
I don't know what you're talking about, we haven't done anything.

>>69861086
Let's see:
1. All legal communications were in Japanese.
2. Which party needs to translate?
3. Someone messed up some translations.
4. Who messed up with translations?

>>69861675
>1. All legal communications were in Japanese.
Correct.
>2. Which party needs to translate?
Elira for NijiEN.
>3. Someone messed up some translations.
Intentionally.
>4. Who messed up with translations?
Elira.

See how easy it is to make baseless claims and call them truth? Either provide an actual source or fuck off back to your doxsite.

>>69861932
Lol you're coping so hard it's kind of funny lmao

>>69862022
lol lmao post proof.

>>69862022
NTA but

>>69861675
Are you retarded ?

>>69841468
is this what they mean by the frieren of vtubers

>>69860016

The Micomet 2024 new years' show gag/prank of "we don't actually get along behind the scenes" was actually a vision of what NijiEN is like all day every day, and we have insiders leaking exactly that

>>69841360

>don't go to war (economic, diplomatic, or actual) against that country that flew a plane into your towers, there are innocent citizens inside it who haven't done anything!
>that fraudulent and/or abusive game studio/bank/finance company/tech company might be getting railed, but ah, I think they should be left alone, think about all the poor employees!
Sometimes the ends simply justify the means.
Especially here, the "good ones" have a bright career ahead of them and could easily do a Doki and carry over their success, which is why they should graduate before things deteriorate further

>>69866479
The first is not an apt example, jews did 9/11

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong
pretty sure the large majority of them retweeted to gang up on Selen.

>>69867090
Right/sure, although it was more of a general metaphor that applies to high-profile cyberattacks and espionage too, and I don't want to get too deep in the weeds or summon niggs from a certain board when trying to say that sometimes you just have to let what has to happen happen and try not to intentionally affect bystanders.
If NijiEN cannot pull itself together, it is a net positive for the fans, current talents, talents yet to debut, Anycolor, and the entire Vtuber space for it to just wind down, even though innocent livers will be impacted in the short-term. You do not solve anything by leaving things as-is.

>>69841360
Who are the bad actors?

>>69848337
Based? I'm thinking based.

>>69866479
I guess we're going to justify the atomic bombs in japan in this thread now too

>>69841360
>The large majority of them did nothing wrong
I do not care and I will keep wishing them the worst. Kill yourself

>>69846933
Being a slut is irrelevant to bullying Selen
t. I love sluts

>>69869501
it was justified tho

>>69858866
>we can trust no one except Sayu, Doki and 99% Scarle
and Pomu, but she's not very vocal since she manages her shit like the OL she was which means behind closed doors.
but, yeah, those were the good organs.

>>69869501
Unironically they were more humane than the alternative.

>>69841360
Stop being the worst agency left active, and I'll consider it.

>The large majority of them did nothing wrong.
By their own professed moral standards, silence is culpability. They are all guilty. Even Rosemi.

>>69841360
joining niji means they're pro twitch culture and male collabs, so yes all of them are in the wrong

What the fuck happened now?

>>69870164
Japanese ', Kurosanji skinwalks his X and failed to properly translate whatever the fuck they tried to make him say.

even if i have to sacrifice the rest of the branch, ill push the red button to terminate mori

>>69870164
this is pretty funny when niji's shitstorm is due to their abysmal reaction to events

>>69841360
I hate you nijiniggers like you wouldn't believe but I'll admit I worry all your sisters will infect(try) HoloLive. I guess I want your toxic fans to burn more than your 3 view grifters

>>69870164
Give it a minute, corpo is about to make another “family” post. Or this was just him being drunk.

>>69870164
Yeah, the best reaction to fight antis is making a 4chan mimicry stream and fall to bait on twitter

>>69870164
why are the men acting like women now?

>>69870164
Huh, millie is also doing a members stream titled, packing, procrastinating and crying
>crying
>now this twitt
Seeme like stuff is happening behind the scenes

>>69858866
This is basically my stance
Not sure about Pomu though she seems like a fencesitter

>>69841360
Total NIJI DEATH

>>69871678
do niji bitches do anything in their members streams except cry? jesus christ

>>69871678
>and crying
nothing pisses me off more than shitheads that made their bed going for pity points when it backfires

>>69872132
You'd cry too if you were stuck in NijiEN

>>69871678
I don't trust the title alone.
Could be a 'sike'

>>69841360
if you actually care about them anon,you want them to get out from there asap lmao,stop pretending you care nijibootlicker

>>69872554
she's not stuck in with niji en.
niji en is stuck in with her.

>>69841360
In my opinion they did everything wrong