/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69210822
Yagoo literally said himself the vtuber market is weak in Europe
that's never happening

>>69210822
no.
all of those three you mentioned going to niji

>>69210822
I’m an euro fag and I’d rather watch JP

>>69210822
https://www.youtube.com/live/s76FYFSeyIc?si=U7Ej_koXR9w7S9vk

reiny and shizu already confirmed to niji

>>69210892
kek lord save them

>>69210822
Donos and memberships are much lower in the euro timezone, would be kind of cruel to do that to all of or most of a gen.

Europoors don't like to spend money
Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
Europoors hate each other more than different US states.

It makes no sense. UKnot included.

>>69211343
If you keep crowding the NA timeslot, eventually other timeslots become more profitable. I'm not sure that is the case now, but it will happen eventually.

>>69211415
I just don't like the fr*nch.

>>69211415
There have been 2 (3? Can't really remember now) British indies who've suddenly announced graduations. Can't see there being much point in opening a branch just with UK and Irish livers though - as much as it would help my sleep patterns.

I think you're more likely to get HoloES then HoloEU

>>69211520
There are enough NA time zone people left to grow. You'd have to grow the EU audience too. Better to grow somewhere that has a tipping culture.

>>69211014
Wow! Appearing in a lethal company collab with a Niji confirms that your are going to that company? I guess that means Kiara, Nerissa, Kaela, and Zentreya (among others) will also be heading to Nijisanji soon too, huh.....

>>69211675
theres chance they will open tw or kr branch since they are hiring tw and kr staff

>>69211520
If that were the case morning streams would be swimming in donos and memberships. But when those happen they have lower ccv, lower donos, and lower memberships. Not just something that applies to hololive, nijisanji and indies also experience that. It's because the euro timezone has a lot less english speakers free to watch something. It's a geographic thing, it's harder to get more eyes on you with that timezone. Europe is also fucked with inflation and spending less, and or english isn't their first language. Americans are working.

>>69211767
none of them are graduating tho. wth are you talking about

>>69210892
One of them litarally drew dokibird fanart recently...
https://twitter.com/yuniiho/status/1755185615274991765

>>69212699
Incredibly based

ES and KR seem more likely. Might as well join EN as bilingual. If EU times don't work out for few weeks or month, switch to EN.

>>69210822
Very likely. JP numbers stagnated, profit dropped 30% last quarter. Meanwhile EN went 40% up. They need to expand.

>>69210822

Doubt it, the biggest weeb faction in Europe is apparently French

>>69213942
Except then you'd have to work with the French.

It’s going to be full of Ukrainian refugees, innit?

>>69210822
why do you think nerissa and shiori are streaming during EU prime time now bro

it won't be holo EU but it will be eu friendly

>>69210822
It's weird that you didn't mention the 3rd gen business trip to Europe that happened recently and seemed to be completely out of left field.
Gens don't usually even travel together like that. It was weird.

>>69214430
Nah they are way too successful as indo to go corpo.

>>69210822
lmao no.

>>69210822
no

>>69210822
nah phase already wo there
see how they kept astroturfing a made up sentiment of "no EU representation" and out of nowhere a /euro/ thread got baked days prior to them announcing EU cons appearances.
Its over, you guys got played by chinks.

>>69210892
Lol
Lmao

>>69210822
>Lately there has been rumors that Hololive is going to release a gen of EU based Vtubers
Where?
>t. lives in Hololive Global

>>69210906
This.

>>69210822
>HoloEU
KEK

>>69210822
>even EU chubas want to stream to NA audience
>IS HOLOEU REAAALLLLLLL???
retard

>>69210822
Yuros as a whole spend a small fraction on merch and the like when compared to the US, despite the US having far less people. You guys will be lucky to get another Yuro girl in EN4 and the rest will be American, Canadian, or AUS/NZ. Canadians can just blend in with Americans, and Aussies can stream on JP time just fine. My guess is if Holo does bring another Yuro girl, she'll be British.

>>69217243
HLGG now are most soulless thread like HLG, it useless thread that contain spam.no real information there

>>69219068
Can you repeat that in English?

>>69211620
There was also a German agency that was called pitapat. They also graduated all of their talents and closed shop without notice.

>>69210822
They'll hire Bongs and one French girl, but they'll all stream at Californian prime time.
>b-but Sankisei went to Europe!!
Poverty tourism, Pekora hates your bread and flooded a bathtub for the Eurojannies to clean up

>>69219068
so like any other vtuber General

>>69218087
Oh yeah. No reason for her to be from anywhere else. I know idol has a Swedish, a Dutch and a Portuguese girl but two of them stream during US time zones too.

>>69212699
she'll start a niji resistance

>>69219595
Only the swede is consistently at US times, and she has the lowest viewership of the three.

>>69210822
>European Vtubers (Reiny, Shizukou, and Yuniiho).
I checked them and JESUS... all of them have awful fucking voices what the fuck? I sure as fuck hope they are not getting into hololive... I'm pretty sure EU vtubers with cute voices exist, what the fuck is this SHIT

GET A POLISH VTUBER HOLOLIVECHAMAS!!! THEY WILL STREAM 24/7 AND AGREE TO EVERYTHING I SWEAR

>>69214430
Stream content: drone footage

If HoloEU is real I hope they stream in both their local language and English. If they speak only English there won't be any of that exotic appeal.

They did some conference recently with Yagoo and they mentioned they want to expand to Europe, explicitly stating the issue with the timezones.

>HoloEU
fishman is going to beat them to the punch
https://twitter.com/h2osakana/status/1758293478373757268

>>69211940
>he doesn't know

>>69220386
then why don't you watch them?

Aura's contract should be coming up soon right? If she graduates and doesn't return as Utano, she's in.

If there is a HoloEU or "HoloEurope", I boycot Hololive.

>>69221037
>beat them to the punch
Cover isn't interested in a EU branch.
This isn't even speculation. They explicitly stated they had no plans for it.
I don't know where the OP is getting his "rumors" but they smell like shit.

>>69221136
why would I watch them?...

>>69210822
>Reiny, Shizukou, and Yuniiho
Big oof

>>69221218
>They explicitly stated they had no plans for it.
When and where?

>>69210822
Cover's stance towards EU definitely changed recently, but I still doubt we will get EU talents, not to mention a whole gen of them. Though it would be really funny the see the reactions if it did happen considering how a lot of people here are against it.

>>69211415
Germans and Italians could pull it off, they are the biggest weebs on the continent. England isn't Europe.

I like Yunii, she has a nice voice

>>69210822
If you actually read/listen to Yagoo's interviews over the past year, you would know that Holo KR is more likely than anything else.

>>69221037
Phase already has Panko and she's relatively successful. It won't work as a separate branch and it won't work unless they also stream in English, but tubers who are in the EU on EU hours that can stream in EU languages secondarily could be worth investing in.

All of my EU Vtuber friends (and myself included, an EU Vtuber) have been interviewed by holo last year. My interviewer confirmed that they are entering the EU market.

>>69221150
Yes, she’s in. She won’t renew her contract.

>>69220968
for reference
https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1564963.html
>The VTuber market has achieved unique growth due to multiple factors, including a small number of elite models, high quality through technological investment, and a boost from strong UGC, but Mr. Tanigo points out that competition will be fierce in the global market. The market is already expanding mainly in North America and Southeast Asia, and there is also room for market expansion in Europe, where time differences make it difficult to watch live broadcasts.

>>69222189
>Germans and Italians could pull it off, they are the biggest weebs on the continent
It's the French and it's not even close

Dont care about eu chuuba but i hope they hire someone who will fill morning hour slot.
burger prime hours already too crowded

>>69211415
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
Pretty much all europeans in the target age group understand english though. And that's why HoloEU is not needed. Just add streamers that stream EU time slots to HoloEN.

>>69223341
Are the French actually weebs or does it just seem that way because they are also paedophiles?

>>69210822
God imagine VTuber agency contributing to the health insurance payment lmao, japs could never

>>69211415
why are brownies always getting so mad when europe is mentioned

>>69224909
The french are hyper weebs, anon.
In fact the french audience for japanese culture is bigger than in america.

>>69210822
Brave Group created Globie where they haven't made a dent in the European market yet, but they're getting there.

>>69225129
I should have been clearer. Are the French fans of Japanese culture, or are they weeaboos? These aren't the same thing, remember. One is an appreciation of another nation's culture, the other are autists expressing their desire to self-terminate through love of anime.

>>69210884
what about france? lots of weebs there

>>69224909
>reddit.com

>>69225261
Go back

They are technically an untapped market but they are also a very small market since they are divided up by language. There's a reason YouTubers default to English even if they are dutch, german or swedish. Look at Kiara for an example that is already there. Kiara also got shocked at her numbers when she streamed at US prime time as she normally starts when people are at work or at school in the US. US prime time is 5pm PST as everyone is awake at that time.

Holo aren’t recruiting an EU branch for their other languages. Every Vtuber that had been interviewed primarily spoke English. They only want EUtubers for the timezone.

t. I am an English speaking EUVtuber who was interviewed

>>69226279
>They only want EUtubers for the timezone.
Meanwhile in reality the HoloEN girls were explicitly told to not stream in EU hours (a focus on PST primetime).

>>69226279
you didn't get in?

>>69226338
Really? I only remember Vesper saying something like that at the start but he said "Fuck it" and did it anyway.

>>69226279
That would make sense, it would appeal to the whole continent and even to Americans who want to watch earlier in the day

>>69226338
I wonder if that was just EN management thing and not from JP. But I think biggest thing is that Cover still operates in JP timezone (meetings and such) and they are asleep during EU prime hours

>>69226338
>Meanwhile in reality the HoloEN girls were explicitly told to not stream in EU hours
this literally never happened

>>69226338
Yeah I have no idea why that is, but they specifically told me they are hiring EUvtubers. The others who were interviewed were also EU. I *assume* they don’t want the NA girls to change timezone for some reason…?

>>69226348
Sadly not. I told them I was planning to move out of EU this year so I wonder if it was because of that.

>>69226707
>this literally never happened
Maybe if you watched streams you'd know since this was said by Kiara, Mori, Ina, Fauna, Mumei, Kronii, Sana, Vesper, and Magni.

>>69226619
Yes exactly this. This is exactly what cover told me. They said they don’t have management staff to cover EU hours which is why they never had EU based vtubers before. But now they have been actively recruiting cover staff in EU (as well as Vtubers.)

I didn’t get in so I can’t tell you when the debut date will be, but I know it will be this year (if everything goes to plan)

There is no EU demand for vtubers. The ones you see complain are a very loud minority.
On Twitch, there is a tool that streamers can publicly display to show where viewers are from. Vtubers who stream at EU hours still has a 70% majority US audience.

>>69226832 (me)
HOWEVER, if you debut vtubers who SPECIFICALLY and PRIMARILY speak a European language, than that demographic will obviously change. But Hololive will never do that.

>>69226762
>this was said by Kiara
lol
This is not true and even if, obviously was never followed through.
It was said by Vesper though, that is true.

>>69226832
Europeans have high enough self respect not to watch Twitch whores.

>>69226912
That's not even true. The Spanish and Latin twitch audience is as big as the English audience.

>>69220543
Kind of crazy we are living in times where "exotic" a term originally used to describe non-European cultures is used to describe Europeans

>>69210822
ないです。

ちなみに次はホロKRです。

fucked up how both burgers and SEAfags hate the idea of a holoEU
they hate us cause they ain't us

>>69227102
>ちなみに次はホロKRです。
Improbable, considering the recent developments for KR streamers.

>>69226708
I imagine they dont want NA covering EU times much because they would miss out on EU-culture appeal. There's a certain flare to European ways of living, talking and our accents that may have room to grow new audiences

I would love a HoloEU especially if you find a bored, apathetic French girl who knows Japanese and smokes. Her and Raden could have an off collab where they smoke and shoot the shit together - Well Raden will be doing most of the talking. Throw in a German girl who drinks so Flare and Noel to geek out with over German stuff.

>>69226954
Last time I checked South Americans weren't European.

>>69227342
Makes sense if he means Latin languages but then the Spanish mention would be an anaphora

>>69210822
Where is the money? Who’s gonna watch? The EU market is non existent. They don’t even have a population as big as ID.

>>69222189
>Germans
That's never going to take off since the German language is so fucking cringe. You can't even watch a German porno without laughing and falling to the ground that's how cringe it is.
t. German

>>69227131
I give you a non troll answer.
EU is extremely segregated when it comes to mindshare. You have to hit different markets, and they all prefer different things despite living in the same timezones. French streamsphere is its own thing. German streamsphere is in its own bubble. Italy streamsphere has their own cliques. Even if, they managed to get an autistic girl that plays nothing but simulator games that grab the german viewship, it does not translate viewership for Turkey nor Sweden for example.
The only safe play is to pander the Youkay, even then, they won't have as much pull for the normies. Maybe a premier league watchalong chuuba can mix things up. Maybe DOTA streamer since its the only videogame that EU as a whole can enjoy watching.

SEA is a safe bet since they all just eat up whatever nippon slop they can get, its easier to market, and the audience are well versed with Japan. EU is too diversified for a solid strategy, and they had to stream on the worst time slot possible for both Asia and NA. Even HoloES is a much better angle to market the new holos.

>>69226762
proof next thread, retard?
only vesper said that and streamed during EU times ANYWAY because it was more of a suggestion than a rule

>>69225261
French fans can be incredibly autistic when it comes to Japanese culture and that goes way beyond what you can observe usually with western fans of japanese animation.
But they're rare compared to your usual uwu Pikachu weirdass weeb

>>69227493
>They don’t even have a population as big as ID.
????
Europe has 750 million people, Indonesia 273 mil

>>69210822
No, stop asking.

>>69227596
SEA's can't count, we know that already

>>69227596
With a fuck ton more income as well, it just needs to grow an appeal

>>69210822
They way Yagoo was talking makes that seem unlikely, but English speaking Europeans who stream at EU hours going into HoloEN isn't impossible. /vt/'s track record of guessing who'll be in HoloEN before their debut announcement trailer is pretty shit. I wouldn't get your hopes up about those specific chuubas being in.

>>69227497
The only thing German about you is the land you're squatting on thanks to Mama Merkel.

>>69227502
what exactly do you think europe is?
in terms of its >different preferences
people have been watching gura / any holo since the vtuber boom just fine
literally it just takes a gura but with an EU timeslot

>>69210822
>watched some of Yuniiho's clip
Is she from southern Italy?

>>69227883
>I wouldn't get your hopes up about those specific chuubas being in.
I fucking hope that's not them with voices like that lol

>>69227879
Seriously, even the average Bulgarian (the poorest country in EU) makes like double of what Indonesians make

>>69227596
People who don’t speak English don’t count

>>69228362
So most of ID doesnt count then

>>69228362
Whose gonna tell him which language dominates most of the continent.

Just hire one British girl willing to stream at 3 PM to 6 PM EST and use her as a measuring stick

>>69211415
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
People here are bilingual and still have better grasp of English language than average murifat.

>>69227502
>EU is extremely segregated when it comes to mindshare. You have to hit different markets
Stereotypes are funny but not how the world works. From your logic you'd think the only way a vtuber can succeed in america is by bootlicking niggers and reviewing fast food chains.

Welcome to brazil.

>>69228409
Their schizo brain worms let them speak in tongues and they at least pretend to know English, the French are subhuman and the only good euros are the Germans and the Scots.

>>69225514
They can watch that horrid french cunt, the illustrator whatever her name is.

>>69214430
>Hohollive EN
The merch is going to be great.Id pay good money for a zigger skull

>>69227927
He is right about the porn thing to be fair...

>>69228539
>t. Scot with a German surname

>>69211853
>It's because the euro timezone has a lot less english speakers free to watch something. It's a geographic thing,
It's a money thing.
They're not called "europoors" for nothing you know.

>>69228539
Are you really gonna claim that Indos speak more English than Europeans do?
what in the fuck

>>69228362
95% of the target demographic group, as in teenagers, young adults and adults who are interested in otaku culture and livestreaming, speak English. Aside from some french/spanish faggots who get by on content translated to or created in their native language, this statement is blatantly false.

>>69210822
nope

>>69227945
People tend to forget that first thing about vtubers is their personality and that is why I don't watch Kiara, not that I hate her but she isn't for me. But give me english speaking Koyori and I will throw my money at her.

/euro/ exists now. What would Hololive bring to the table that I couldn't already find in there?

>>69228467
He's right. America is a big unified "group" if that makes sense. In America, everyone can understand pop and cultural references, politics, history, meme, and stuff like that. A dude from California knows a bit about Texas stuff and vice versa. In Europe, a dude from Italy has no idea if not the name of the premier if he's an educated guy about let's say Germany political landscape, let alone other aspects of their culture aside from basic historical knowledge even Americans know. So a vtuber from Germany is gonna resonate way more with a German person than let's say a vtuber from California is gonna resonate with a California denizen.

>>69228729
>95% of the target demographic group, as in teenagers, young adults and adults who are interested in otaku culture and livestreaming, speak English.
I dunno how many times over the misbegotten years I've spent here that I've read something along the lines of
>I can't watch my country's dub/sub of <animu> because I learned english so that I could read the english subs
Goes for russfags, hues and other shades of sudaca, poles and other shades of slav, snonigs and so on.
Who knows what german weebs do. French at least have their own subs and dubs.

>>69221150
Doubt. She seems to really enjoy her current position.

>>69226800
what month were you got interviewed?

Here's a guide on how European vtubers can appeal to their audience.

>>69214990
If Hololive debuts an EU gen today or in 10 years it will still attract way more audience than a nobody corpo. Phase should thank that cover still doesn't want to waste money on a europoor branch.

>>69229007
bro murica ships its culture so aggressively everybody in europe who knows english more or less aware of it.

>>69229126
I want a Greek/Roman Goddess themed coombait ASMR chuuba so bad it's unreal. Aphrodite Venus Ch. hololiveEN doko

>>69211853
You have to cultivate an audience though.
As a EU, I can say that I just got used watching VODs, since the vtubers I like don't streams at EU hours and forcing myself to watch someone I enjoy less simply because they are live don't appeal to me.
If a vtuber that I like streamed during hours I could actually watch live consistently then they could become part of a routine, and by degrees maybe even push myself to be more active with superchats and the like.

>>69229210
>bro murica ships its culture so aggressively
American elections here get more news coverage than our own country presidential elections.

It's funny to see the same arguments /jp/ used against HoloEN back then be used against EU

>>69229210
That's what I was saying. America does that continentally and intercontinentally. Europe doesn't. I don't know shit about Sweden aside from some history stuff and the fact they have a good life quality? But they want to kill themselves. Oh, and Varg I guess. He is from Sweden right?

>>69229007
>In America, everyone can understand pop and cultural references, politics, history, meme, and stuff like that. A dude from California knows a bit about Texas stuff and vice versa. In Europe[...]
what are you a fucking alien

>>69229296
Americans will never watch vtubers, they don't have a Geisha culture and no burgers watch JPs at 4 am

>>69229376
No, I'm Italian.

>>69210884
Omitting the important context that he also said he thinks it could/should be strong and that it's their own fault it isn't:
>In the EU, including France, where there are many fans of anime and manga, VTubers have not yet become that popular.
>This is pretty much a time zone issue. Content that's convenient for the US time zone can't be enjoyed in Europe. People enjoy interactive communication between fans watching the same stream live, so they can't enjoy that.

Europe has spent more on Japanese media than NA for ~40 years and even watches more livestreams in English than NA does, there's no reason it couldn't work if they actually tried.

>>69229450
L

>>69221150
Why? She's boring, a proven failure. She was the least popular member of Cyberlive, and she's done nothing but bleed viewers as Aura.

>>69229484
noooo europians dont share language or interests it wont work!!!!

>>69227927
Did I hurt your feelings, piefke?

>>69229522
Duce...

>>69229210
I was about to say. Many European countries have become very anglicized over the decades. The advent of the internet has only solidified the desire to consume US over local entertainment.

Apart from that, European countries still diverge heavily when it comes to laws and licensing. Cover only needs one team of lawyers to represent most of their English speaking talents. They'd have to invest a lot more into the backstage.

For instance, streamers that exceed a certain number of CCV regularly need to apply for an official broadcasting license in Germany. They'd have to pay for it on a yearly basis, just like a full blown TV station. Why would Cover want to deal with that if they could just hire yet another Bri'ish girl?

>>69229019
I learned most of my English trough fansubs of anime& manga.(10 years of reading manga via batoto/mangadex.
cant have shit in terms of anime if you don't use a VPN because the german gov are corpo bootlickers that will eat you alive if you get caught streaming/downloading stuff.

>>69211851
tw would be so fucking funny just to stick it to the mainlanders. A lot of them will silently be using vps to watch the tw girls like they used to for the other holos too.

These threads always immediately devolve into they don't stream because yuros don't spend money, yuros don't spend money because they can't watch streams circular logic.

>>69229614
>cant have shit in terms of anime if you don't use a VPN because the german gov are corpo bootlickers that will eat you alive if you get caught streaming/downloading stuff.
This shit is so funny because Germany's neighbors are piracy havens even when compared to the US.

>>69228539
>t. Scot with a German surname living in Kansas

>>69227502
>EU is extremely segregated when it comes to mindshare
Despite not being Austrian I can relate with a lot of Kiara's childhood stories. Also I'm not Canadian but Ina is my oshi because she's a big nerd like me frfr. You're really overthinking this.
If "mindshare" really mattered then how would you explain HoloJP's success in the west before EN was a thing?

>>69229685
Funny thing is, this is the same timeloop there was before HoloEN about the NA market, and we all know how that turned out.

>>69228989
go back to your shithole. we're talking about HoloEU here, which means HoloEurope, for Hololive fans.

>>69229614
>cant have shit in terms of anime if you don't use a VPN because the german gov are corpo bootlickers that will eat you alive if you get caught streaming/downloading stuff.
Why would they care about anime? Or do you mean Netflix stuff / anime that has a German distributor for the local market?

>>69229821
People don't understand basic things like supply and demand or network effects. For hololive to work in a region they'd have to have enough of a presence that you could watch a stream at primetime any day of the week, and they've never had that in Europe even when Kiara isn't on break.

I personally think holoEU will fail but I mean... they should at least try, right? Who knows

>>69229718
Its the same with nuclear reactors.the hippys and their Russians handlers are happy that all our reactors are gone now but they forgot to look on the map.our politicians are either money hungry boomers who want to live forever or people straight out of the asylum.kill em all

a Nord
a Med
a Germ
a Slav
an Anglo
thats the roster for EN4

>>69229718
If someone lives in Germany and uses P2P, they're retarded. Pure downloading is still not illegal. That's why many German warez sites gravitate heavily towards using file hosts instead of sharing torrent links.

>>69230105
They'd be fine if it was just an EN gen focused on that time zone, although they've left it so long that they'd have to work harder to get peoples attention since there's few existing fans and no vtuber hype to carry them.
If it was actually a separate branch and they didn't just stream in English it would be much worse

>>69211415
We don't really hate each other. We just banter so hard that it looks like we hate each other from the outside. We can even make temporary peace with the French if it means shitting on America sometimes.

>>69223341
Except the biggest anime (and comics) con is in Italy, not France.

>>69230220
I'm sure you can still use P2P for content that's not licensed in any form within Germany.

Europoor here. We don't have a unifying language. The Lingua Franca for international communication may be English but you'd be surprised by how many people in Europe don't speak it, even within the EU economic area. Different EU countries also have different laws about business conduct even if the EU tries has tried homogenize those laws between the different member states.

So no, I don't think any vtuber agency is likely to start an EU branch.

>>69230214
This, except they're all Balkan instead and exchange racial slurs for their collabs

>>69210822
>Lately there has been rumors
the voices in your head aren't rumors

>>69230214
A French
a German
an Italian
because they are the most weeb country in Europe.
a Brit
A Spaniard to maybe catch some ARS or other peanuts currencies from South America.
roster for HoloEU

>>69218087
Aren't shipping costs to EU ridiculously high for merch? No wonder no one buys it here if they don't have a local distributor to decrease the shipping cost.

>>69230342
It is Lucca? If it is Lucca holy shit grim. That con is shit.

>>69230356
Europe watches more English live streams than NA does anon. You need to think about demographics, it doesn't matter what percentage of rural French farmers speak English, it matters if 18-35 weebs do, and they do.

>>69230414
They're cheaper than to the US, and he's also wrong, Europe spends more on anime/manga and associated merch.

The only true rumor, is that your oshi let me cuddle her after the last stream.

>>69230442
It is indeed Lucca, which to be honest doesn't only have anime. And I agree that the quality went down in my opinion, it was way better pre-Covid.
https://stream24.ilsole24ore.com/video/italia/lucca-comics-2023-si-chiude-oltre-300-mila-partecipanti/AFwqSgXB?refresh_ce=1
300k+ tickets sold.

>>69230356
Again, those who are the target audience of Hololive, they overwhelmingly speak English. Cover is not aiming for a 72 year old pensioner living in Eastern Slovakia, they want the 29 year old dutch girl who loves JJK and LilyPichu, and has money to spend on merch. She's guaranteed to speak English.

>>69230467
He's talking about Holo merch. Also are you sure shipping is less? It's not if we are talking about the EN merch but even the JP one should be cheaper. That doesn't sound right.

>>69230214
If there isn't a Finnish member, I'm gonna be severely disappointed. Everyone always only talks about the big countries, cause they make up the lion's share of the weeb market here, but the Finns are no at least as weebish as the others if not more.

>>69230356
Brave already did.

>>69230613
>but the Finns are no at least as weebish as the others if not more.
The only thing I know is that Ginga Nagareboshi is more popular there than in Japan lol.

>>69230665
Finland is the Japan of Europe

>>69230613
Since they'll all be EN streamers primarily I doubt specific nationalities will be much of a consideration into it. It'll just be the 5 girls they feel are most appropriate.

>>69229975
Yeah,Its been a while since I checked but distribution was shit.call me a cheapscape but I'm not paying for a service that might region lock stuff because a competitor got the rights first.good luck finding official manga translations for stuff that isn't hyper popular.

>>69229345
Our suicide rate is lower than Finland and Baltics, Varg is from Norway. What historical stuff do you actually know?

>>69230543
Shipping from Japan to Europe is about 20% cheaper than to the US. I'm not counting taxes here.
https://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/charge/list/ems_all_en.html

I probably shouldn't need to explain why people in a region with no live hololive streams spends less money on hololive merch.

>>69210822
I'm genuinely not sure if people just don't know much about vtubers here, or there's simply no interest in them. Even in the local weeb culture it hasn't managed to take off, you can't find vtuber cosplayers on cons, nobody gets the references, maybe on a surface level people know who Korone is thanks the the youtube algorithm, but I've met maybe 4-5 people who were actually interested in this scene. Also I feel like people still have a moral issue with streaming culture as a whole, especially when it comes to superchatting. You'd get shit on here so bad if people realized that you're watching vtubers, let alone if youre sending money to them. Regardless, if they managed to cover those timezones, it would become profitable in no time, I mean consider that they keep the stars too despite them making way less money, simply because expanding their reach is the best business strategy overall, you can't just stand on one leg forever. Europe is an untapped marked, but if they do change that, I can only assume that it's going to be a third rate side branch around as important as ID or perhaps even less. They would just be streaming in English anyway, there's zero point using another language, maybe as some special streams or teaching others about European cultures. They should hire a girl from each Balkan country and make them do a collab every week. Though as I noticed they go for Asian descendants anyway, like half of HoloEN.

>>69220542
Watching a vtuber watch war footage would actually be quite interesting content desu

>>69230920
Some of that footage is extremely grim, it's honestly not good for the soul.

>>69230877
It's actually the funniest part of these threads that everyone insists they'd never do it because it wouldn't make huge amounts of money. ID and the homos exist and continue to get support and new debuts and there's literally no universe where a euro branch would make less than those

>>69230414
Nobody buys merch in Europe because we either use Tenso or we need to get it through fucking geekjack, that always has a smaller stock than the official holoshop, takes much longer to send your merch, and it's practically impossible to get signed stuff. Fuck Geekjack, they really need to fix this first.

>>69230877
>Europe is an untapped marked, but if they do change that, I can only assume that it's going to be a third rate side branch around as important as ID or perhaps even less.
They won't make an EU branch, it would just be members of HoloEN from Europe with streaming times that cover those hours.
>Though as I noticed they go for Asian descendants anyway, like half of HoloEN.
HoloEN is probably the vtuber agency with the lowest ratio Asian descendants of all. It's just that Asian descendants are massively more likely to watch (and try to be) vtubers compared to their population in western countries.

>>69230529
>29 year old dutch girl who loves JJK and LilyPichu
that's my wife you're describing

>>69210822
>Holos gets the lowest numbers streaming during EU hours
>EU barely donates/superchats. Looking at the currencies, even third world SEA countries donate more and it's quite noticeable during 3D, birthdays and celebration streams
Yeah no

still not donating. no one will.

no. The biggest and oldest anime convention is in France (outside of Japan). The biggest is Japan Expo in France but the number of anime convention in France is huge. There is one at least every week

>>69230996
Indeed, starting up a vtuber may be expensive but not for a corporation as big as Cover, and maintaining them costs pretty much no money. Considering that a Hololive girl is pretty much insta 100k subscriber even if they never do a stream after their debut, the youtube revenue itself most likely covers the whole cost in a few months at worst. At this point they simply cannot be not successful when it comes to debuting new chubas, everyone will be profitable. Maybe them getting 3D won't be prioritized, but remember that back then holos got 3D after reaching 100k subs, so that's probably not that big of an issue either. And there's absolutely enough presence in EU to sell out whatever kind of limited merch, even if it's overall a smaller market than NA or JP. They just need to make it more convenient and burn geekjack the fuck down.

can't wait for 5 more en holos to stream at NA times

>>69231102
>They won't make an EU branch, it would just be members of HoloEN from Europe with streaming times that cover those hours.
That's what I meant as well, but that's practically HoloEU, just without the name change. Launching an entirely different branch would be silly considering the relative failure of DEV_IS. They don't have to be le creatividad, just do what they always do and success is practically inevitable.

>>69230799
Not much just what everyone interested in history knows. The Kalmar Union, the seven year war intervention in Pomerania, Gustav Adolf, the great northern war, permittentraffik and the fact you lent iron to the nazis. Just that. I know the Middle Ages history of the country is really interesting but there aren't any sources in English or my language.

>>69231179
This post would be retarded even if it was true (which it isn't, Shiori and Nerissa both got the same viewership as usual while streaming in euro hours recently)
But also see >>69230996

>>69231179
Its almost like JP said the same about Americans before they branched out. You cant just expect everything to be there already, you have to actually attract the spenders. You are arguing that the cart should be before the horse

>>69231385
Not sure why people call DEV_IS a failure, they still have decent sub growth considering the early youtube cuts that happened and their members are middle of the pack in SCs in JP

>>69231385
>relative failure of DEV_IS
I don't think that was a failure but I still don't get the idea behind it.

>>69231397
Sounds like you have some clue at least. Yeah the medieval era is poorly documented compared to 1500s+ and the Norse era. We have Swedish literature of course but the time of Folkungaätten (Medieval Royal Bloodline) does not really have any translations. The best you can get is watching the "Arn"movies/series which isnt exactly historical but at least presents the existence of the Folkungar and Sverker factions

>>69210822
that would be a bad idea in the long run
2026 Suwalki gap crisis will lead to millions casualties in Europe
t. John Titor

>>69231666
It's a relative failure vs JP6. But perhaps Cover's internal analytics show it is reaching whatever demographic they were aiming for.

>>69231609
>>69231666
By failure I meant pointless, and failure in a sense of having distinguishing features. Everyone just treats them as the latest main gen, but for some reason they aren't, which somewhat crippled their growth. Of course, they're still immensely successful and make a huge amount of money, but I still don't get the concept behind the new branch. Even if Cover do debut a HoloEU gen, every member will mainly be speaking in English, so people are just gonna refer to them as a less successful HoloEN gen 4, but if they launch them as the actual gen 4, they're gonna get the usual audience boost at the beginning.

>>69227988
No, she’s from Genova.
God do I dislike the pink dog. Cringe.

>>69232339
If they did a euro-hours-focused EN gen 4 they'd end up somewhat isolated anyway, since the rest of EN already refuses to wake up before noon PST to collab with Kiara

>>69211415
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
60 IQ post

>>69225261
Bro when I lived in Japan, most of the autistic N1 tryhards going full native inaka livin ass refuse to speak English gaijin I met were french.
But the Japs also have a massive hard on for France, it goes back to like the 1700s with this mutual masturbation. Both countries are high on their own supply, and thus bottomless wells of degeneracy.

France: Marquis de Sade

Japan: hyper right wing turbofaggot sigma grindset originator doompilled autist and world renowned author who committed seppuku after a failed coup attempt Yukio Mishima
>Mishima's early childhood was dominated by the presence of his grandmother, Natsuko, who separated him from his immediate family for several years.
>She did not allow Mishima to venture into the sunlight, engage in any kind of sport, or play with other boys.
>He spent much of his time either alone or with female cousins and their dolls
>Mishima returned to his immediate family when he was 12.
>His father Azusa had a taste for military discipline, and worried Natsuko's style of childrearing was too soft
>When Mishima was an infant, Azusa employed parenting tactics such as holding Mishima up to the side of a speeding train.
>He also raided his son's room for evidence of an "effeminate" interest in literature, and often ripped his son's manuscripts apart
>Mishima's failure to receive a "first class" rating on his conscription examination contributed to an inferiority complex over his frail constitution that later led to his obsession with physical fitness and bodybuilding
>From his mid-30s, Mishima's right-wing ideology and reactionary beliefs were increasingly evident.

>>69211415
>UK
Fucking kek sink into the ocean you fucking limey cucks.

>>69232643
>But the Japs also have a massive hard on for France
Wasn't that Italy?

>>69233023
No. There is actually a medical condition called Paris Syndrome where Japanese tourists will have mental breakdowns when visiting France and seeing what a shithole it really is compared to the idyllic fantasy in their heads. This is not a joke.

>>69232643
>Azusa employed parenting tactics such as holding Mishima up to the side of a speeding train.
metal af

>>69233023
no, it is France and it is still France. 75% of the Japanese that do tourism outside of Japan choose France has 1st destination

>>69230105
if they can afford to have HoloID and Holostars, they can 100% make HoloEurope

I DONT WANT TURKS WATCHING MY OSHI FUCK OFF

>>69233023
There are italyboos, but I read random french almost all the time while in tokyo. They have a pervasive obsession with the culture

>>69233441
is they watch your oshi; this means they do something illegal in Islam and so, will go in hell. Rejoice !

>>69233575
in France, we also see japanese stuff everywhereL Every week, there is a convention about Japanese Culture !

>>69228624
Saruei does some good shit. She shows feet. She has a puffy vulva.

>>69233800
Trash whores like this need to go to vshojo and stay on twitch

>>69233929
>Ughn they got sex an shieeeeeeeeeeeeet
>Noooooo UUUUUUUU nooooooo
Fucking kys summerfag. Go back to R*ddit if you can't handle well built livers.

>>69214350
>French vs Japanese work culture
>French vs Japanese respect for authority
I chuckled

>>69234226
nah, it is compatible.

Jp workers will beg to come in France and benefits from French Work Culture. In my work (double French-JP), there is a lot of demand from JP to come work in France.

>>69234226
Fuck why didn't Niji open a branch in France. Then the yacht would have actually burned

>>69210822
Language division, plus no money (we are getting into another big economic crisis).

>>69234499
Neither of these are true despite people repeating them all the time anon
And even if it was it wouldn't matter because Cover already continues to support and expand multiple branches that make a lot less money

The scene just isn't there sadly.
While majority of euros are NEETs on welfare they don't really have a tipping culture.

>>69234491
ahahah.

Just a termination like Selen/doki got, that would go straight to the Prud'Homme (its illegall to fire someone whitout at least a meeting with the N+3) + the bullying matter and the fact that they nitpick into private employee like accounts...

At least 200k + the reimbursment to the fee that Selen engaged for the projet she made for KuroSanji.

>>69233800
I can smell the garlic and frogs from here...

>>69234618
The scene wasn't there in NA either until they debuted people that the audience could watch live
In fact Cover released their actual youtube analytics pre-Myth and they had more viewers from Europe than from NA at the time, making it extra weird that they then ignored the region until years after the hype died

with yunii's english and accent, i hope shes not going holo desu

>>69234712
Nah, it is Jp problems. Since they are a Vassal State of the USA, it would not sit right for JP investor to Invest first in France and the european continent than US.

>>69210822
"HoloEU" is not needed, we just need more HoloEN streamers with EU-friendly timeslots.
The interest and money is there. The french are giga-weebs and the germans donate so much money to gamesdonequick that "greetings from germany" has become a meme in the GDQ community, because so many donation messages start with those words. It could definitely work.

>>69210822
A separate HoloEU branch makes no sense. EN4 being EU focused could work but I don't know if they'd bother. They could just hire some mutts or leafs that can stream during the right time slot.

HoloEU would go hard imo. I think anime and vtubers are more accepted per capita than the US. I literally only know one irl friend who is an active Hololive supporter. Meanwhile I constantly see EU twitter accounts and they run into people with holo merch or are holo cosplayers, or are openly autistic about the company and nobody gives a shit. Outside of LA I don't see ANY of that interaction unless it's an actual anime con.

>>69235000
>>69235013
>Debut EN4 as EU-centric branch
>everyone outside of EU freaks the fuck out because they can't watch them at a convenient time
>"why call them EN4 instead of HoloEU???????"
I know how you guys work.

>>69220436
> Get a Polish holomem.
> Terminated in 2 months because she called her genmate " podła nazistowska kurwa" before burning her and her home in Minecraft.

>>69235159
It doesn't have to be the entire branch. Having 2 EU-time steamers in a new EN gen would be a good start.

>>69211415
>Europoors don't like to spend money
Source?
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
Funnily enough, the average european will have a better grasp on the english language than the average murrican. Note that i'm not saying that the average european speaks good english, just that it's better than the average murrican.
>Europoors hate each other more than different US states.
No, we don't really. Maybe you just don't really get what banter is. Do you really believe everyone who posts "fuck Fr*nce" actually wants France to disappear?

>>69235013
A separate JP branch [DEV_IS] makes no sense but they're fucking adorable

>>69235231
>
Polish are kinda the pets of germans.

>>69234712
3-5 vtubers aren't going to change the culture of a 1b people continent like that,
Euros are more on the camp of paying a flat amount and enjoying an artist/performer, and to this day fucking balk at the idea of tipping and make fun of americans for that.

>>69235000
I believe that live interaction and availability is a strong driver for viewership and eventually purchase/membership. "Simply" catering to the time zone would do a lot. As a side bonus - or whatever you want to call it - it means that Kiara might finally be able to actually leverage one of the advantages of Hololive: cross-channel interactions.
As for merch, not fucking over fans in the region with import taxes and shipping would also open wallets.
Quality of talents though, I have no idea who'd fit the JP idol path Hololive is intent on paving.

>>69235013
EU timeslot would make more sense than throwing another 5 to the same 6 hour NA slot.

>>69235284
I haven't even been to Europe but my friends who have said it was never an issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index

>>69235375
Superchats are a small and shrinking portion of hololive's revenue. What matters is merch and event tickets, and euros do spend money on those (more than NA in fact when you look at anime).

>>69234053
>livers
You aren't fitting in

>>69235254
As someone living in Europe and who'd like to see more Europeans in Hololive I always felt this would be the best approach, a separate HoloEU just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

>>69210884
b-but kiara is one of the best superchat earners of the whole corp

>>69235614
"Europe" is not a country and "European" is not a nationality. So, what are you ?

>>69235711
Gay

>>69235698
Kiara is austrian, german. Thats just how prostitute get paid there.

Is there potential for an EU branch? I mean, I live in the EU, and it would be amazing if there were Hololive VTuber based here.

>>69235747
Oh, I see. My condoleances.

>>69235796
There is not a single orange chicken woman in any way affiliated with the glorious superstate know as the European Union

>>69233800
bratty fr*nchwoman
needs rape correction

>>69211415
English is pretty widely known throughout Europe, so it could stay in English. I'm just a 2 view nobody chuuba but I had a good handful of people staying up til 4am (their time) just to spend time with me. I think it's just an issue of finding a way to appeal to them, instead of hoping the current strategy works at EU times

Reiny graduated? What's happening to Ojiki then?

>>69235908
Post your stream

>>69210822
>Asking for a branch that’s barely gonna have holoID tier viewership due to all the different languages which would split the viewerbase heavily(which wouldn’t be big to begin with since the EU vtuber market is a joke) and later down the line the EU chubbas would probably end up switching to just mostly streaming in English because it would be more sustainable due to it being a global language, practically making the branch just a second holoEN.
You fags are retarded.

>>69235897
>
>>69235897
"superstate" and "glorious" to talk about the UE, a structure made by americans to destroy France trough Germany...

>>69236154
Have you thought about reading and maybe even thinking before you post anon
Streams in English is what people want, and when those do happen they already work, Shiori has been doing euro hours streams recently and getting the same viewership she normally gets

>>69236154
>due to all the different languages which would split the viewerbase
what is this SEAfag cope

>>69236154
How do you niggers know SO LITTLE about Europe. You always regurgitate the same falsehoods

>>69236323
You can't demand that level of reading comprehension here. It's bullying.

There's always vods to compensate for bad timezones, but the cost to compensate for all the events being overseas is practically in thousands € / $

>>69235908
I love you
I love you
I love you
I love you
I love you

>>69236428
muricans are stoopid. dont search further.

>>69236428
anything people say about other countries here is ten year old /int/, dettached from reality.

>>69236453
Yagoo recently said that live interaction is a vital part of making their content enjoyable, and people won't become fans if they don't have access to that, specifically in the context of Europe. In other words, he believes VODs don't compensate for a lack of streams, which I completely agree with.

>>69210822
Regardless of whether it would be profitable or not, Cover is currently in the best position financially to attempt this. If it's not as big, then they can still play the long game and build the audience slowly and just treat the initial capital to branch out as a long term investment. But imagine if they again caught a lightning in a bottle with it. Just pray that whoever they debut would be star talent (comparatively, at least). Once they get EU, they'd have total timezone domination for VTubers. If they still had a "good" CN branch, they'd also have language domination.

>>69236154
>due to all the different languages
Do you like, expect to get chuubas that speak each different language in Europe, if you get HoloEU? Just the European Union subset has 24 official languages ( https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/languages_en ).
>holoID tier viewership
For everyone involved except /#/ niggers those are good numbers
>streaming in English because it would be more sustainable
yes, but that's not all black and white. HoloJP seems to be working fine without speaking English.
>>69236154
>practically making the branch just a second holoEN
no

>>69234612
If you make a vtuber who speaks in French, your watchers will be from all over the ex-french colonies. It's a problem that most of them are 3rd world niggerfests that don't have even internet.
In Spanish, your main audience will be South-American. There are already many vtubers who broadcast in Spanish. Not rich, but they got at least internet and mobiles to watch youtube.

Now is not a good moment to invest 'big money' in Europe in leisure companies because, if you bothered opening any economics newslet, you'd read about the impending economic crisis that's about to get into Europe. We are getting ready for another oil price increase the following months, war in Ukraine is going horribly wrong for everybody (except for USA), royal state market is about to crash (again), free money from venture companies (mainly oil countries) has evaporated.

>>69234699
Feet that smells like garlic and frogs...I'M FUCKING IN

>>69225025
Stop being a sickly mutt?

>>69236953
reminds me of a quote from my professor.
> "successful entrepreneurs fail a lot. but what makes them different is they persevered and made their sucesses worth all their failures."

yeah, even if holoEU flops on debut, they can sit on yagoo's money cushion and build the audience bit by bit. yagoo has shown that he can support the weakest talents and branches as long as there's potential. happened to holostars, aki, anya, etc. inb4 "holostars kek", they're definitely top <1% streamer in terms of views and they have a dedicated, albeit different core fanbase.

>>69235463
Fuck off Enna

>>69237471
Health insurance is needed for regular checkups you fucking mongoloid.

>>69237367
Euro weebs want streams in English. The demographic Cover are targeting have the best English proficiency in the world and literally already watch more English streams than NA does (just not hololive ones, because they don't exist). Literally all people want is EN members that stream 6 hours earlier.

>>69235284
>the average european will have a better grasp on english than the average america
Europeans say this all the time and it is literally the most hilarious cope when you hear them actually speak

>>69237906
It's because they believe Britbong is "proper" english.

>>69237568
I'd rather take that cash than spend money on that seeing as I'm not a genetically defective mutt that engages in poor diet or hazardous activities thank you very much. Also fuck socialist niggers like yourself

>>69237972
which it is, mutt/nigger

>>69237906
Good thing that no one was talking about speaking.
Just listening.

>>69231007
This. I have to buy the merch and get it sent via Tenso and as a result the shipping costs end up being like a third or more of the cost of the merch.

>>69229564
>europeans dont share language
based retard

>>69237367
>If you make a vtuber who speaks in French, your watchers will be from all over the ex-french colonies even though I say they don't even have internet
I regret reading the rest of your post. It was all rubbish and I should have known better from how it started.

>>69230414
eu is one of the few regions in the world with zero tolerance vat/tax for non-eu merchandise. if the merchant hasn't collected vat in advance via ioss on your €1 item (postage goes into value too) then you're going to shell out extra €0.20 in vat and €7 in handling (or €20 for couriers like dhl bc they outsource handling to scums). local postals in my country cranked the retardation to 11 at first, robbing €1 per ioss item

>>69231794
fuck that's an hour ride and i'm not even from poland
what's the divergence number rn?

yagoo/recruitment is making a huge mistake if they think hiring EU time streamers for the next EN gen is magically gonna make the EU audience appear, EU never have and never will watch vtubers

>>69238883
retard

You can count on one hand the number of weeaboos who don't speak English on this continent or atleast understand enough to watch the already existing chuubas.
There is simply no fucking point to an EU branch.

>>69238883
Yeah, just ignore all the huge vtubers on twitch that stream to EU audiences

>>69239006
those are NA viewers predominantly

>>69239052
cope

>>69237972
Where do you think your murican english came from?

>>69239052
Yeah, stream numbers rivaling NA primetime, held up only by american neets up at 9am

>>69235698
Those SC are not from EU tho. She said it on stream before her break is that EU market is week and she even considered going back to NA timezone. The only thing holding her back is that it will fuck up her sleep schedule

>>69239145
I'm sure she did and you are surely going to post timestamp

>>69238944
The point would be streaming at a time those people can watch live, anon
The whole reason we have another wave of threads about the potential for euro hours hololive streams is because Yagoo made a bunch of public comments about how he sees that as the sole reason they're not popular in Europe

We watch JPs on VODs or indies because HoloEN is fucking TRASH that's all there is to it

>>69239236
I don't who you're watching mate. I got so many chuubas on at prime time 9pm every day I can hardly choose.

>>69211415
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
Do americans just assume everyone they speak to in English on the internet is american?

>>69239598
The thread is about hololive specifically anon. They've had one stream at or around that time in the last week

when holomyth debuted realizing that none of them was streaming in a proper hour for EU viewers felt like a stab

>>69239676
Oh well, hey atleast VODs exist not like you're missing much.

>>69239792
Again, the reason this came up recently is that Yagoo commented that he believes they're not popular in Europe because people aren't satisfied with VODs and live interaction is a critical part of the experience.

>>69239792
you're mentally ill

>>69210822
>Literally got a new hololive and holostars gen
>STILL BEGGING

>>69239939
I don't know which alternate universe you stumbled in from but there is no recent hololive gen that regularly streams at watchable times in Europe in this reality anon

>>69239847
Come on brother you can live without posting your epic one liners with an emoji attached that no one will see LIVE.

What is this autistic burger bullshit? Most of biggest Twitch vtubers are EU and stream at EU hours. Plenty of smaller corps have EU vtubers being very successful.

Yes Europeans SC less because there is no tipping culture in Europe but SC are like 10% of corpo vtubers revenue anyways.

>>69240111
Live streams are worse than edited videos. The only reason people put up with that is because they get live interaction as a tradeoff, so if you only have VODs you're just getting a worse experience with nothing to show for it. This is why Twitch doesn't even keep VODs, outside of people who missed the occasional stream nobody actually wants them.

>>69240309
Nta but live streams are only worse when it's not an interactive focused stream. Hololive likely can't use it, but things like randomizers and Crowd Control are widely popular and promote viewer interaction while having the option to gain revenue. Edited videos are only good for gameplay heavy streams where you can cut all the boring parts out like being lost for an hour or failing the same level 30 times

>>69238883
>it came to me in a dream

>>69240309
Damn and here I though my fun was watching bitches do dumb cute shit, apparently I should have been spamming rubbish and melting into background noise with my fellows.
You know what I'll remove myself, no need to show the door.

>>69240872
Anon it's not a controversial opinion that live streams are more enjoyable when watched live
If most people didn't think that then there wouldn't be arguments about whether a particular "time slot" was viable to begin with because it literally wouldn't matter

>>69211415
>Europoors don't like to spend money
yes indeed, I save for my E2+S1+ Sparkle as of now and can't let chuubas distract me
>Europoors don't have the benefit of a unified language
Does a German person like Kiara for example not reach a large audience? We do understand EN streams and expect the common EU weeb to understand JP better than the common US weeb since we're used to the concept of literally learning a language
>Europoors hate each other more than different US states
We would prefer the Fr*nch over non-European. Europeans love Europe. Most of us travel all over Europe just for fun and enjoy the Med sun, the Scandi winter, cities between Lisbon and Warsaw. You confuse internet banter with hate, but I read many American posts at this point and I'm aware that they are genuinely too retarded when it comes to banter.

>ctrl+f
>no mention of erika

>>69237906
>Talk about English comprehension
>Mutt misses one part of the post
You can't make this up

>>69239052
Well you can pretend they are catering to that NA audience then if it will stop you shitting your pants whenever the subject of EU vtubers are brought up.

>>69239724
it felt worse when Council debuted

>>69210906
This desu