/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69069409
NijiJP is most likely being kept in the dark because of a combination of lack of Eigo reps and Nijisanji hiding behind defamation lawsuits because Japan's defamation standards are as easy as doing limbo under a football goal. (Regardless of w/e version of it you play)

Going full offense with character assassination campagins is literally part of AnyColor's playbook when it comes to terminations. They ALWAYS do this. Gundou, Zaion. Even Yugo almost became a case like this as revealed by FalseEyeD, but she lawyered up so hard that they could only fake-graduate her.

The reason it reached such comical levels of self-sabotage is simply because the suits are genuine sociopaths so they simply could not see the moral revulsion and backlash coming. They thought it'd just be another Zaion case where everyone would believe SELEN BAD. The fact that they are actively harassing someone they almost drove into suicide simply does not compute in their broken brains as something monstrous.

As for the livers, again, it is standard procedure to wheel them out to character assassinate and the exact same thing happened with Zaion where all of them, completely unprompted, kept talking about how horrible she was and how she hurt them all, culminating in the absolute clown skit that was Finana saying she was "gaslit" because Zaion """broke""" some random promise to do better.

Even if you completely disregard being fed misinformation you are still left with these:
- Elira tried to DARVO Selen over being named in A FUCKING LEGAL DOCUMENT. This act made her "scared" and she really wants you to know how this made her feel so uncomfortable. Ignore the girl who almost killed herself.
- Vox spouting a bunch of outright lies like claiming he offered to graduate with Selen (this piece of shit would NEVER fucking graduate willy-nilly like that, he's obsessed with fame and has pretty much admitted as such). Also as a side note if you lost listen the way he talks, his intonation of words etc. it is very clearly he is 100% convinced Selen is the villain in this story.

>>69070550
People were willing to believe Zaion bad because she'd been there such a short time, so nobody knew shit about her.

>>69070324
>NijiJP is most likely being kept in the dark because of a combination of lack of Eigo reps and Nijisanji hiding behind defamation lawsuits
And that's the thing, it's like someone is taking advantage of that and is doing so in a way to make Selen's reputation both from within the company and among her former peers looks bad.

>>69069409
Elira has complete control over the narrative that is relayed to the main branch. She carefully manicures every report to downplay anything that reflects poorly and play up anything that reflects well, painting a false picture of success, like a corrupt communist official. The curtain has now fallen and NijiEN's actual state has been fully exposed to the main branch.

>>69070550
>Elira tried to DARVO Selen over being named in A FUCKING LEGAL DOCUMENT
Which begs the question as to who even gave them the documents, or at least told them the contents of it, to begin with.

>>69069409
NijiJP has no idea who runs the EN branch. They just get a report about a rogue streamer and terminates them.

>>69070550
It’s more the miscommunication and incompetence that makes me think there’s completely different people in charge of EN. You mention Gundo, and Gundo was terminated extremely harshly with methods that I personally consider awful… but it happened without any scandal. It was in the end just a corporate termination.

Meanwhile with Selen they blew up a termination into a massive bullying/suicide scandal. Completely unprompted I might add, since Selen has only reacted to their statements without ever making the first move.

>>69070957
wouldnt surprise me if she had access to the corpo inbox for nijien

>>69071026
Which is why it must seem weird to them as to why they are losing sponsorships over a rogue streamer who should by all means be in the wrong if they are going entirely off of what they've been told by whoever told them from the NijiEN side of things. Remember, they got Tazumi's lazy ass to come out and a public investor felatio in English for something that should've just been an open and shut case.

I stated this in another post, but I genuinely believe that Nijisanji JP have no idea what and why things are happening. This was especially obvious with the Riku video.
The first part taking to shareholders can be ignored - that is just random bullshit to not lose money. But the next part, where he actually takes to the fans was wild
>We unfortunately used to expression "negligible" to describe performance impact.Our wording lack consideration of the situation
>[This caused] Vtuber fans to think we undervalue Selen's contract termination, or Selen herself
Well.. No, that is not why people were mad. If that is the reason they were told, that means Nijisanij EN was lying to Riku.
The reason people were mad was because of the character assassination of a beloved talent and the horrible communication - And the next communication we can see is to stakeholders. Thats what is wrong, not the wording.

>>69069409
I think the issue is that the lawyers are negotiating in Japanese, Selen's documents are in English and being translated into and out of Japanese and English and the leaks to the livers are coming out of that. It's an insane game of telephone. The livers should have never allowed themselves to get involved.

>>69071427
For clarification
>And the next communication we can see is to stakeholders.
And it is just a taunt, making is seem like the EN fans having a revolt doesn't matter to them.
But again, Selens actual worth is likely negligble compared to what they make

>>69071075
>>69071372
See, that's what I'm getting at. From the perspective of Niji as a corporation, this should've been just another Tuesday for them but it became such a huge shitshow that makes me believe that they are just as manipulated in all of this as the livers are. All for the sole purpose of ending Selen's whole career.

>>69071427
>If that is the reason they were told, that means Nijisanij EN was lying to Riku.
And that goes back to the topic, who is lying to both the main branch and the talents here?

>>69071427
do you think Riku has even read the termination letter that was issued? was the translated version for him edited?

>>69071427
People were mad at Niji even before Selen got canned. #WhereIsSelen remember?
I do think Nijisanji might be confused about what Selen is trying to do here.

>>69071963
I would guess that he has read the JP version, which has a lot less details and is more vague.
But also internal details (I.E that the statement was made in 2 hours) was not told to him at all

>>69070324
Fpbp

>>69071963
He probably just got the tl;dr version of it told to him by niji's legal department

>>69071963
The termination letter was made based off of the info NijiEN, or whoever is in NijiEN, gave them. But again, who gave them the info that, at this point, can be agreed upon was written in a way to slander her? Especially since the termination letter itself contained info that seemed to have corelated with the contents of documents that was only meant to be shown between lawyers.

>>69069409
Regarding the rots in NijiEN, Nijisanji JP did nothing wrong.
It's all the clique faults.

>>69069409
>but as Doki has stated on her Twitter that it was nothing more than a test recording that didn't have any notable information.
only part of ALL of Doki's statements that makes no sense to me. Why tf would she post that in her complaint document to her lawyers if it wasn't even about drama, bullying, etc? A completely neutral recording?

>>69069409
Fans don't have any information. All the rest of the information is tied up and probably pending legal procedures. There is a lot of misrepresentation going on and forceful claims to show where they incriminated themselves. This is not the case. The only self-incriminating statement was the recent ones made by dramabird herself.
the statements made by NijiEN were callous and socially unaware, but they not incriminating. Fans are being more biased than anyone can describe, and they're constructing their own alternative reality where things mean something else.
If and when this stuff goes to court it will be a big fallout that causes damages for everyone involved and some other employees will catch strays. In the end only one person is going to be held liable for those damages.

>>69070550
It's true, it also happened in some layoffs of Japanese talents.

>>69072565
Her lawyer may have asked her if she had any recordings and she simply said "yes, but they aren't related to the incident". Then her lawyer writes it down as probably a minor footnote to which nijisanji makes it a big deal

>>69072551
Lmao

>>69069409
Everyone is passing the buck in Nijisanji. Too many factions internally, too many people saying too many things. In situations like this you need a heavy handed authoritarian to tard wrangle everyone and get them out of this quagmire but no one is standing up to be an adult.

>>69072565
Maybe I read it wrong, but I think it was in response to Vox saying on Eliras channel that he felt hurt that Selen was recording him behind his back - Trying to paint her as a conniving bitch

Doki is the saying that the recording was just a part of a test recording, where there randomly was something that could be seen was bullying

>>69072565
Gotta remember, >we only know about the existence of said recording because The Three Stooges told all of us. If it was nothing more that a test recording, where the hell did they get the impression that it contained any sort of damning evidence? Unless, someone just told them what was in it and they just accepted it at face value. But then again, it would have to from someone they trust completely to even believe that straight away.

>trusting a menhera chink immigrant canadian femoid over a white british man
laffin
selen is a BPD schizo freak and she fucked up by releasing yet another deranged drama bait statement

>>69073020
>Unless, someone just told them what was in it and they just accepted it at face value.

>>69070957
Because management are unprofessional incompetents.
Cannot blame Elira for putting herself into a position of superiority where she can dictate over other vtubers and protect herself.

>>69069409
Because NijiEN is effectively a rogue branch at this point and Elira Pendora is the interpreter who has contact with the true Nijisanji managers (who are all JOPs and depends on her for english translation). Because she has control over the communications with Nijisanji's japanese management then she is basically a dictator in that branch. That argument explains so many things (why there's a recent vacancy in canadian management and why Elira posted that black video in her channel)
Pic related is a complex rrat that explains it all and it was cooked recently with many damning evidences from difference sources, including Elira's own fanbase

>>69073151
>selen is a BPD schizo freak and she fucked up by releasing yet another deranged drama bait statement
YEeeeeeeessssssss... It is Doki who is releasing deranged drama bait .. Not Nijisanji, who are the ones to has leaked and confirmed everything...

>>69073020
>where the hell did they get the impression that it contained any sort of damning evidence
They must have said something so bad they all collectively shat their pants the moment they read the word "recording"
The question is: What is it that they said that they are so scared about?

>>69072922
It's seems that way since his wording makes it sound like he's upset that he was recorded and not the contents of the recording.

>>69073020
>If it was nothing more that a test recording, where the hell did they get the impression that it contained any sort of damning evidence?
Exactly. The only one who knows about the contents of the documents within NijiEN should've just been their lawyers. SO, was the one that passed on the info among them, or more accurately, who gave them an impression of what was in there?

>>69073151
NDF is at full force today I see

>>69073481
>>69073327
>i c-c-can fix her!11
>schizoid bpd fat chink femcel my beloved!!! i will stand by your lies, fake suicide attemtps and drama baiting until the end of time...!

>>69070690
Twitter also did their dirty work, when she got suspended they started digging for a reason and found the "rape joke"
Which was actually totally unrelated to the suspension (otherwise the vod would already have been privated) but instead of doing their job to protect their talent they let it snowball into a a hate campaign that they used in her termination (which was really for liking comments critical of the company on her PL account)

>>69073390
There are existing accusations against Vox (including shit from his past life). He has probably said some fucked up shit in private and is afraid of people hearing him talk shit about his fans.

>>69071711
Any liver who hasn't yet started retaining their own counsel in this a fucking idiot.

>>69073565
Pathetic attempt at trolling. Try harder.

>>69073251
Man, this all feels like a bad HBO drama.

>>69072551
Someone post the Yuki Chihiro twitcast transcript.

>>69073784
But considering he said that he hadn't heard what was in those test recordings, someone must've manipulated him into thinking there was something concrete in there.

>>69073151
Yet NijiEN is the one shooting itself in the dick. Curious.

>>69072565
I suspect it was just a recording where Vox made passing mention of something that could be construed as Niji management playing favorites, nothing more complex than that. The document was never meant to be used in a legal case, it was Selen's way of recounting her past experiences and why she wanted to quit effective immediately.

>>69073251
It just keeps getting worse...

>>69073784
>He has probably said some fucked up shit in private and is afraid of people hearing him talk shit about his fans
>"Those kindreds are all a bunch of old shitty hags. I wish I knew if one of them was 12. Hell, I'd settle if one is 8. Those give the best head. COCK AND BALLS OOGA BOOGA!"

>>69073972
That's what I'm saying. I've got a rrat:
>Vox is a shitty sex pest
>ends up becoming friends with Selen over Apex
>feels comfortable
>regularly bants with Selen about how good his underage fans cunny feels
>Selen gets terminated
>management tells him Selen recorded him without his knowledge

>>69070550
>Gundou
Imagine the normiefags reactions when someone does a deeper dive and find she got fired over what amounts to a 'What is he, stupid?' meme about baseball.

>>69071372
Probably because they haven't lost any big and/or Japanese sponsors yet.
Like if say Nintendo just says 'No more perms for you ever' THAT would get the JP livers attention

>>69074416
But that's assuming management are getting the entire story also. As we've seen, it doesn't look like even they have the full picture. Somebody in-between is intentionally omitting info to get everybody to turn on Selen.

>>69074624
>>69071372
I want to see EA pulling all their perms (including Apex) for Niji as a whole. That includes JP.

>>69074416
With all the shit that's gone on over the last week, it wouldn't surprise me if this is true.

>>69074624
>>69074800
Imagine if they lost both Nintendo and EA perms. Kuzuha and the Pokemon autist would RUN.

>>69072565
It seems pretty obvious that it was something like
> chatting while tweaking obs shit
> Selen: ugh I got bonked over the tournament tweet
> Vox: oh?
> S: what do you mean oh? Did you guys not get a full formal reprimand about damaging the company's reputation for those ""covid"" tweets?
> V: what. no?
> S: lmao of course you didn't, you're the golden boys
> V: yeah well, you know
> conversation moves on
> Selen who has already been told she's on thin ice makes sure to save a copy just in case

So Selen can say she wasn't going around secretly recording her coworkers, and wasn't documenting anything against *them*, but evidence of favoritism happened to drop in her lap while she was recording legitimately and so she included it in her documentation that management gave some talents favorable treatment.

>>69070957
If Elira is management then it'd be expected that she would see it.

So how will kurosanji fumble the ball?

>>69069409
It all feels like everybody was/is being mislead to go in tbe direction of making Selen out to be the villain. In the end, all of them are confused as to who is saying telling them tbe truth. And it all starts with, who the hell leaked the documents among tbe talents that have a personal vendetta against her?

>>69074513
To be ENTIRELY fair it was in fact the Japanese normalfags that got mad at Gundou and it became this huge drama because japshits are fucking insane about basebore and AnyColor was heavily pressured to terminate her (not that it's an excuse)

>>69072235
Probably because they aren't being told the entire story here.

>>69074624
I personally don't think they will "lose" them
However, what they will lose is the monopoly over it. What I mean is company starts providing for other agency with game perms that're previously only Niji has

>>69074738
Whoever got access to those legal documents, presumably.
I say "management" because we don't know who it is, just that it's someone relatively high up. If the rrat about Elira being in middle management is true, it could be her. I could also be whoever is in charge of EN or who insists on trying to slander all their ex-talent.

>>69074416
I dont think vox is still a sex pest desu. He talks a lot about how much he hates who he was in the past, to the point where it's probably not just kayfabe anymore.

>>69074738
If a branch goes out with a semi-official announcement where they are throwing Selen under the bus while incriminating themselves. And later CEO comes out with wildly different, professional, apologetic message - and a bow apology! It's pretty clear Niji EN went rogue. It's clear there is someone at middle tier management who is being uncooperative and acting out of their own will. That's just the most basic conclusion you can get from this fact alone.

>>69075413
Their best option was staying quiet and moving on after the Selen termination
>Jump to posting that document saying Selen's termination was negligible
Their best option then was staying quiet and moving on after posting that document
>Jump to the talents doing THAT stream at the same time as Dokibird's
Their best option NOW is to stay quiet and moving on after that stream and Doki's recent statement

That's already three fucking strikes, but Dokibird still doesn't want to go completely public with it.
This might be the end of it (in public) unless they decide to pull another stunt. Another indirect way of harassing without eliciting a response from her is by planning their streams and events at the same time as hers. It would be annoying but not enough to force Doki's hand

>>69076691
>Their best option was staying quiet and moving on after the Selen termination
>>Jump to posting that document saying Selen's termination was negligible
>Their best option then was staying quiet and moving on after posting that document
>>Jump to the talents doing THAT stream at the same time as Dokibird's
>Their best option NOW is to stay quiet and moving on after that stream and Doki's recent statement
Their next move?
>Terminate everyone who doesn't support Nijisanji EN management 100% - Scarle being one of them. Decide that writing another termination notice that paints Scarle as horrible person is a good idea

>>69076234
That doesn't even invalidate the rrat. It's possible he has actually changed and is just joking about it.
I could totally see him throwing out something along the lines of "I don't vtube for the money, I do it for all the 12-yo pussy" and Selen laughing about it.

>>69069409
Its starting to look like the Management lied to the people they sent out to fall on their sword in that live stream stunt.

The management needs to be held accountable.

>>69070550
>>69070550
seriously we need to find out who the management is and who works in that office. they seem to be villains right out of manga.

>>69077181
>"Scarle's termination is financially negligible"
>Meanwhile, Riku has to appear on a stream, doing naked dogeza, begging to not have to commit ritual seppuku

>>69069409
>All of this leads me to believe that somebody within all of this mess is only handing out half truths to both the talents and the corporation itself, all in order to have them turn on Selen/Doki from every angle possible. Somebody who has read the document her lawyer sent over just 2 hours before she got terminated and had something to lose. But who?

It’s Elira, her and the rest of her ”clique” has been responsible for this entire shitstorm since day one.
It’s amazing how brazenly she outed herself trying to slander and tear down Doki in that video.

By the way it’s looking now she and the rest of the clique are probably guilty of a list of serious crimes such as disclosing confidential information regarding Doki, embezzlement and even possesion of CP in Enna’s case.

I don’t know what the fuck is going in NijiEN at this point, this all feels like ridiculous far fetched nonsense rrats but there is such a ridiculous amount of evidence proving them true.

The fact that the clique is confirmed to be here just makes this all so much funnier somehow.

>>69077633
Elira IS the management, any actual ”managers” still left are just Pajeets collecting paychecks.

>>69077723
>"No, plunge the knife hard Riku."

>>69077456
>The management needs to be held accountable.
If management really lied to the livers, most of them should know that by now, given most of them are /here/.
If management really lied, I might see mass graduations soon

>>69074960
This seems reasonable, so it will likely be ignored.

>>69077723
When do we get Elira doing a naked dogeza and commiting seppuku live on stream?

>>69076102
From what Dokibird said, those "documents" were basically her suicide note explaining why she almost killed herself, not an array of evidence forwarded as a legal threat. She was fired hours after she sent the document and did so only because NijiJP weren't responding for days.

In all likelihood, NijiJP lawyers were probably still processing the documents (bold to assume they fully read the documents and processed them within two hours of those documents being SENT) when they published the termination notice. JP lawyers will then have been contacting NijiEN to ask them what the fuck was going on about these claims, and knowing just what the documents claimed the clowns at NijiEN decided to go full retard and out themselves entirely. I do not believe they genuinely got or read the document Selen sent them, they just made some guesses in regards to the content and started crying about it.

>>69078187
Not soon enough. With our luck, it'll just be a black screen and we just hear her final death rattles

>>69074960
>>69078109
We can’t infer that from the things that have been said.

here's my ogey
>interim manager doesn't know english
>lang barrier leads to telephone game and wrong info passed around
>remaining ENs get their news from dramafags or vt
>lawyers don't know about vtubers so they're doxxing people in the process

it's more likely a comedy of errors than "le good vs evil" retards want it to be.

>>69073804
I don't think reality has set in for most of these idiots that this matter is very serious and they should be seeking legal advice. They're still in the mentality that they can fix things with one more "le epic Twitter dunk" and that "pwning the haterzzzzzzzzz" on social media will fix their legal and reputational problems.

Regardless of any statements Nijisanji or any of the Livers made, I do not believe anybody involved in this shitshow (other than Selen) has consulted with an attorney at any time. The termination notice was published less than two hours after Selen's attorney sent her legal threat to the company, and there's simply no way any Nijisanji attorney ever reviewed that statement which sounds more like it was written by an angry high school girl.

There's no way in hell any remotely competent attorney would have allowed that disastrous response video to happen either where Nijisanji's Livers released even MORE incriminating information against themselves.

There's been a persistent inability by Nijisanji, either because they're stupid or because they're malicious, to discern between what Selen has actually said and what /vt/ and Twitter are saying. They are attributing every single thing on 4chan to Selen, and that's why they keep releasing this incriminating information and acting like Selen told everyone this.

Where is God's name is Anycolor corporate? Why haven't they told these people to shut up? Hasn't Riku figured out yet this is costing him tens of millions? Why haven't they fired the manager who done so much damage to the company? Why haven't they muzzled the fucking idiot Livers? Even if Elira is the EN manager, they need to shut her up and terminate her if necessary, because otherwise she and her clique will continue to run their mouths and continue to incriminate themselves and get the company into further trouble.

>>69077456
I have minimal sympathy even then. Impersonating Selen on Twitter to cover up a suicide attempt caused by mismanagement is unforgivable on its own, even if they've somehow been gaslighted about everything else.
I'm not attacking any of the livers, but nobody involved in that stream is ever getting my support. We'll see where the others go. The only ones looking good right now are Scarle and Fulgur, but none of my money is going to this company until the branch management is completely replaced.

>>69078412
Yea a random error of doing a hit-piece stream-cum-PR-suicide at ))exactly(( the same time the suicidal girl you're slandering is starting her first stream. Such an odd coincidence!

>>69078412
Shit rrat

>>69078413
Good old outsourcing

>>69078413
>Even if Elira is the EN manager, they need to shut her up and terminate her if necessary
If Riku says "oops, I did a fucky" and shitcans Elira and her clique with extreme prejudice, all will be redeemed

>>69072301
>>69078413
>They are attributing every single thing on 4chan to Selen, and that's why they keep releasing this incriminating information and acting like Selen told everyone this.
From an esoteric viewpoint, this statement is equivalent to "rrats become real if you meme them hard enough." Autists forced Niji to manifest the evidence by being really schizo in just the right way.

>>69078774

Whenever a rrat hits too close to home they get so fucking retarded spooked.

>>69079083
I think we've hit gold with the GURRAT, because the threads keep getting 404'd

Elira's a slampig built for anal.

>why hafus can't be trusted with shit: a story

>>69070957
As a lawyer working in both Japan and the US I can give you a good estimate of what happened, since I see this all the time.
When Selen lawyered up, her lawyer likely requested everything she had that was even tangentially related to a possible lawsuit. This will have included her trauma dump letter.
Her lawyer likely then looked it over and saw that there was a case to be made. Because it would be against a Japanese company, he is required by Japanese laws to contact the lawyers of the opposing before filing anything. The Japanese honor laws are retarded like that.
The Japanese lawyers then will have filed an official request for all related documents, which is their right in both USA and Japanese law, and I believe also in Canadian law.
The breakdown here is that the Japanese lawyers will have shared those documents with all interested persons employed by the possible defendant. Something that is legal in Japan but not Canada or the USA, and since Selen is a Canadian citizen her papers are protected by Canadian law until a jurisdiction is established after a completed filing. They jumped the gun and broke the law.

>>69078413
>There's no way in hell any remotely competent attorney would have allowed that disastrous response video to happen either where Nijisanji's Livers released even MORE incriminating information against themselves.
Following that, the statement they made on twitter after where they 'hereby declare' that they have not shared any information not allowed after a 'Rigorous legal check' (in 3 hours) is likely false. They just panicked - no lawyers has seen it

>>69077732
>By the way it’s looking now she and the rest of the clique are probably guilty of a list of serious crimes such as disclosing confidential information regarding Doki, embezzlement and even possesion of CP in Enna’s case.

I'm sorry WHAT

>>69079704
It's why I buy into the rrat that the Livers are basically running Niji EN themselves.

There's simply no way lawyers are actually looking at any of this. I cannot believe even the incompetents at Anycolor corporate would not have allowed this to go on this long in Japan. But if they're reliant on the Livers - who are all implicated in this disaster - to tell them what's going on, they could be working with incomplete or wrong information. That's the only explanation I can think of which might tell us why this has been going on so long.

>>69079615
Questions Mr.Lawyer man
Can Selen's Therapist speak about her attempts if called to the Witness Stand?
Also if what Selen said about the documents not containing private information are true and Clique saying the documents did contain private information as false could this be used as a claim for Defamation as it was made to harm Selen's character?

>>69079704
They already contradicted themselves on that one. They claim the livers didn't get the full documents that Vox "thoroughly reviewed".
Bonus: If he's still in the UK sending it to yet another country broke yet another law.

>>69079615
>The breakdown here is that the Japanese lawyers will have shared those documents with all interested persons employed by the possible defendant
But the retarded thing is, who gave the OK to make a public statement with 3 talents saying that they were given all of this info and it turns out it wasn't even true?

>>69080081
The Cheese Pizza part was Enna, I believe.

>>69080081
She showed pics of little kids she took care of to Elira Millie and Nina

Fuckin' hell. This goes deep.

>>69074416
He didn't organically became friends with Selen.
He was "assigned" to selen to propel him into relevancy. That's how they became friends.

NijisanjiEN was initially yet another Vtuber company run by female talents, and management wanted to elevate the males through collabs and pairing them up with established girls. Vtubing companies have been hard at work trying to get into the fujoshi market for a while now. Nijisanji succeded, that's why it managed to compete Cover, and that's why Cover became obsessed with their homocollabs and homogenerations.


I digress. Vox became close with Selen because he was assigned to Selen in order to kick off his career.

>>69079615
are they doing this in Canadian court, Japanese court, or both?
can she sue nijisanji corp in Japan, while also suing individuals in Canada/England?

>>69080946
Oh that, gotcha. I doubt it was actual cp tho, the reaction was strong, but more like "why do you have that?" And less "omg I have just been shown a crime"

Still extremely sus tho

>>69081246
It's not in court yet. Was never intended to go to court. This was still at the stage of lawyers talking

>>69081246
>>69081466
Hard to say where it is now but yeah, Doki only filed this stuff in the first place to cover her ass. She's breaching NDA, but she and her lawyer believed she had enough evidence to exempt her from that through whistleblower protections.

>>69081466
There ain't no way it's not going to court now, though. It's the only way to get whoever's gone rogue in Niji to stop.

>>69081466
>This was still at the stage of lawyers talking
At this point is going to be in court. No matter what happens next.
>>69081734
>the only way to get whoever's gone rogue in Niji to stop.
Too little and too late, the snowball has become too big to be stopped

>>69073565
Thank you for your service

>>69076234
He's literally an acting school kid. Everything that he does, even in his PL is kayfabe for all that can be reasonably cared

>>69081924
They can still fire management and settle out of court. That's it. The branch might still be a lost cause but that's the only move that even has a chance.

>>69081466
sure, but even "at the stage of lawyers talking," the laws matter.
Selen did stuff that's legal in Canada, but not in Japan (recording her conversations, damaging Nijisanji's reputation)
Nijisanji did stuff that's legal in Japan, but not in Canada (turning over her documents that were supposed to be secret to everyone named in them)

>>69079615
do you know about that asylum forum? they were looking for lawyers to share their thoughts on the issue

>>69082360
>They can still fire management and settle out of court.
And what management? There is none even as an ESL tier over NijiEN, The only outcome is dissolve NijiEN and then fade into nothingness.

>>69080808
Ah yes the cheese pan pepeloni pizza. The no one.

>>69073654
a rape joke milder than the cp in enna's phone and her liking kids. yet they turn a blind eye on enna.

>>69080205
NTA, but patients can waive confidentiality at will, so she could call her therapist as a witness if she wanted, but there'd be no good reason to. I doubt her suicide attempts would be challenged in court and she'd be better off not giving the other side the opportunity to ask her therapist questions.

>>69082454
recording her conversation with someone wouldn't be covered by Japanese law since the recording party was outside of Japan. Nijisanji also likely broke the law by firing her in retaliation to a potential lawsuit (not sure what the law is on that in Japan)

>>69080205
>Can Selen's Therapist speak about her attempts if called to the Witness Stand?
Yes, if relevant, but only if Selen agrees to it aka not by Anycolor

>could this be used as a claim for Defamation
Defamation is probably the hardest thing to prove in court so it doesn't really matter

>>69083048
> but there'd be no good reason to
Establish state of mind
>she'd be better off not giving the other side the opportunity to ask her therapist questions.
You can't just ask anything you want, it's too long to explain in full but in general you can only ask about things that were raised during the initial questioning during cross

>>69083803
>Establish state of mind
there'd be other people that would know less intimate details you can call to the stand.
>You can't just ask anything you want
I know, but calling a therapist to the stand to confirm a suicide attempt and depression opens the door to asking questions about a history of mental illness and what medication she's been taking and what side effects those might have. like I said, I doubt the attempts themselves will be challenged and there'll be plenty of witnesses called for other reasons that can establish state of mind as well.

>>69084427
>I doubt the attempts themselves will be challenged
Given how hard the Clique is trying to make Selen out as a liar I do not put that past them tho

>>69084427
>Niji's lawyer gets on the stand
>"your honor... BPD"

>>69084427
>there'd be other people that would know less intimate details you can call to the stand.
It's going to be either her therapist, herself or her parents
You'll always want to use the therapist to introduce it because they are not as emotionally involved and won't get destroyed on cross

>asking questions about a history of mental illness and what medication she's been taking and what side effects those might have.
And you want a licensed therapist to answer those questions, i mean you have to bring it up at some point since you can't just ignore it lol
Using an expert maybe? but i doubt she has the money for that and IIRC the rules around expert witness are different in civil vs criminal and I'm only really familiar with the latter

>>69082454
Selen's recording of her conversation with Vox is legal in Japan if the recording itself can prove that Vox had participated in workplace misconduct. Which, by Vox's own admission, it does.

>>69085116
Doki's or Nijisanji's management's?

unironically i think there's literally 0 recovery for niji en, even if graduations or terminations dont happen and they continue on there's just no bringing people back to how it was

>>69083542
>>69082454
>>69085701
Japan is also one party consent.
From what I googled
It's similar thing. You can't use spread it because privacy protection but the action is legal and recording can be used as evidence.

>>69085775
Things have soured too much I feel.

>>69085775
Even to get a small amount of respect, they would have to fire the chink and nip postchildren Vox and Elira, which cause different backslash and kill their brand in china and respect they have in japan.
If they dont do anything Vshojo will become the second biggest agency in the west, phase or idol will slowly overtake nijien and become the third biggest. And finally nijien will be merged with nijijp, like with nijiid and nijikr, causing most livers to graduate

>>69085129
there's bound to be more people that know she was depressed and they have the medical records to prove she made at least one attempt. as far as medication and mental illness goes, I'm of the opinion you'd want to keep that out of trial as much as possible, it almost never looks good to a jury. I think they'll keep the therapist on the witness list, but I just don't see a lot of reasons to call them to testify unless any of those issues come out from somebody else.

>>69073806
I can't wait for when it is
Fuck come back after a long while and CAPTCHA is hard as fuck now

I still hope we get that thing where the Canadian Government can get involved. I want this shitshow to get all the bells and whistles.

>>69073390
Yeah, knowing that it was just a test recording, Vox literally self reported with the way he panicked about it

>>69086653
I mean you say that sure but any government as pozzed as the Canadians wont do shit about their fellow commies esepcially for something as niche as this.

>>69070550
>Finana saying she was "gaslit" because Zaion """broke""" some random promise to do better
What a dumb cunt lmfao

>>69085701
>>69086242
what about using it to sue Vox himself for personal damages? He lives in the UK, where one-party consent is not legal (or so I'm told by internet).
This could be one hell of a complicated case.

>>69078308
This makes the most sense desu. JP trusts Elira so all she'd have to say is that Selen is a liar or something and then BAM terminated

>>69073565
look up the definition of "schizoid" before you use it pagpag eater

>>69087673
That's shit's been hammered out for decades now. The recording is not illegal, it just can't be presented as evidence in an British court. So, unless the case is somehow moved to the UK, Vox being from there should have zero impact.

>>69086576
I don't think this case would have a jury trial no matter where it's done.

>>69087673
In UK, recording calls itself is not illegal. It's about what to do with the information.
For personal uses it's not restricted at all. (Meaning you never leak it)
For business uses you need consent to use the information. You need to securely store it.
Well my ESL brain has its limit you can check it yourself.
https://www.voipbusiness.com/blog-post/is-it-legal-to-record-conversation-in-the-uk/

AND covert recording can be used in court in UK.

>>69088522
>The recording is not illegal, it just can't be presented as evidence in an British court.
It can be. But it's for the judge to decide if it can be used or not.

bros i can't keep up with all this drama
can i still fap to scarle in good conscious or no?

>>69070550
>Yugo
>She
ok tranny

>>69090366
Yes. Fapping to Scarle is not only ok but the morally correct thing to do.

>>69069409
they are all guilty

>>69090366
I'm sure she'd want you to do it.

>>69090465
Yes, Yugo is my husband.

>>69073565
>>69073327
You aren't convincing anyone by typing like a /b/tard from 2009, you know.

>>69078404
>most plausible, down-to-earth, Occam's Razor-sharp rrat in entire history of Selengate
>I don't buy it, I need more proof

>When looking back at what Vox said about the recording, he said that he hadn't heard about the contents of the recording but was told that it contained information that would "doxx him", but as Doki has stated on her Twitter that it was nothing more than a test recording that didn't have any notable information

Nothing said here is true. Vox never said the recording doxx'd him. Doki never said it was just a test recording and she never said it had no notable information. She only said the recording was never intended to be used legally initially

>>69073251
>Literally just shit /vt/ made up because they don't watch Nijisanji enough to know the truth.
Hell, you people only started including Yugo in your rrats because people were calling you out for forgetting him.

You're all a bunch of goddamn liars and attention whores playing internet detective, just like reddit.

>>69081237
Imagine being so much of a lonely menhera , your company assigns you a friend to look after you

>>69092022
so true sis

>>69080476
Elira did of course.

>>69070550
>if you lost listen the way he talks, his intonation of words etc. it is very clearly he is 100% convinced Selen is the villain in this story.
Of all things, that's what makes me stand by Doki. Anyone who has ever dealt with an asshole trying to play the victim can recognize that fucking passive-aggressive tone

>>69074513
People in South America and UK wouldnt have minded if the same joke was made about football

>>69092022
cry more bitch your fucking oshis are doing the same, that's why they bitched around all smug but the shit came back and splattered on their faces lmaooooooo

>>69069409
>are the people employed by the company being told everything compared to the shitposters stirring shit and misinterpreting simple sentences?
Tough question.

>>69092022
The doxxsister website post is not "made up". A retard in NijiEN literally posted there

>>69092188
>Anyone who has ever dealt with an asshole trying to play the victim can recognize that fucking passive-aggressive tone
You can really hear it in his voice when he says to not go bully her.

>>69092399
Anon, highschool kids will quite literally kill themselves over baseball and grown men will end up in the hospital from overtraining. South America is autistic about football to the point of killing others, Japan is autistic to the point of killing themselves. Hate mobs are also inherent JP culture, put 2 and 2 together and it was instantly Gundover.

>>69087673
Anyway, UK law system is extremely retarded, as per Johnny Depp loss there

>>69092748
That whole shit show was classic DARVO abuse tactics.

>>69070550
>Ignore the girl who almost killed herself.
Selen has the right to do whatever she wants with her life. No one else bears that responsibility.

>>69070550
Don't forget the GURRAT.

>>69092022
Ok Enna.

>>69091881
Be careful of their falseflagging, it's ramping up, threads with OPs mentioning the GURRAT are being pruned also.

>>69094693
>Be careful of their falseflagging, it's ramping up, threads with OPs mentioning the GURRAT are being pruned also.
yeah the jannies are killing everything.

>>69094693
The more people hype it up, the more dumbass fanfiction is getting mixed up in it. The idea that Elira has an undue amount of influence over EN, existing in a psuedo managerial role? It's a pretty interesting theory, even plausible. 90% else of the dumb shit attached to it feels like typical /vt/ hallucinations. I'm not even sure it's a false flag as much as the usual schizos doing the same shit they do every time they claim the alignment of the stars indicates a vtuber having a boyfriend.

Do not listen to this man: >>69095182
He attempts to dilute your trust and understanding by introducing uncertainty and doubt into the equation.

>>69079704
>hereby declare
Man, I'm just now realizing how much that phrase made them sound like a parody of a folksy southern lawyer

>>69095496
Their extent of what a lawyer sounds like is Saul Goodman or the guy from Too Kill a Mockingbird. Which one would you think sounds more "reasonable" to someone terminally online.

I don't want to make a thread about this, so I'll ask here. Is Doki suing Niji/Livers/anyone, or is she not? Because I'm getting confused about the whole situation.

>>69096543
I don't think she wants to but if they dont start shutting the fuck up she might have to, they might have already crossed the point of no return with that Elira stream

>People hoping the Canadians government gets involved
>The same government willing to kill you so you're not a drain and another logjam to their "free" healthcare system

80% chance they ain't doing shit.

>>69069409
why would any company tell you why a coworker is fired.

>>69096943
20% is better than 2%

>>69096543
She hired the lawyer to get a clean break after niji was stalling, but there's no suit as far as we know.
Doki wrote a document describing the shit she went through but it's not a suit, and uncertain why exactly she even sent the doc to niji.
niji posturing might have forced her hand.

Is there anything about Luca and his mod in the latest rrats? There's so many things going at once.

EN management is omega
Screencap this

>>69097310
I can't believe vox akuma is getting mpregged

>>69071427
There is no doubt JP side is completely unaware of what EN is doing. EN is an entirely different market. There is a reason why corporations have their separate branches managed by people in those areas

>>69073151
>trusting Jimmy Savile's successor is better
Could have left it at believing the menhera but you had to find a more retarded alternative

>>69090366
necrophiliac

>>69070550
>character assassination campagins is literally part of AnyColor's
BWAHAHHAH RETARD, that's the new and efficient way to unalive people in the modern dats. In the old days, the CIA and FBI would have to work extra hours to physically unalive a person they deemed inconvenient for the mafia. With the digital world (tv, internet) they can just unalive the character without physically unaliving them, it's cleaner and efficient just by throwing information not matter if true or not.

>>69094693
I seriously had to look it up in the archives to find out what people were talking about.
If that shit is real then the clique is absolutely getting jail time. Not only would it actually vindicate Riku’s image (mostly) but that would be end of the branch as we know it because of how wild it is.

It's pretty evident that whoever is running the EN branch is trying to cover their asses as much as possible. Setting up Elira, Vox and ike as fall guys and censoring their own name in the Selen discord screencaps is more than enough proof of this. "A message from niji en" was probably something nobody in JP knew was coming.

For Riku himself to bow to gaijin but EN's manager identity to remain well hidden.... It's not normal at all.
That's my 2 cents. I still love my oshi and will follow her to the end of the line.

>>69097565
>There is no doubt JP side is completely unaware of what EN is doing
This is not surprising,as you yourself stated. What is interesting is that Riku in the video does respond to things, but is getting the entire context and reason wrong. The means that EN management is either ALSO unaware of what is happening or they are lying to the JP side.

>>69097240
She wrote down the instances of harassment, abuse, sabotage, and neglect. She gave the document to her lawyer to review, so he could accurately address nijisanji (Anycolor inc.) about the termination proceedings. Ie, she wanted to quit immediately, but that would be breach of contract, so she hired a lawyer to make the case to the company that she had cause and a right to quit. That way, she would not be in breach of contract and she would be able to "graduate" amicably and without fanfare.
-----------------------------
Nijisanji releases the statement of her termination, just was she was being released from the hospital. She had no idea about getting summarily terminated and besmirched in the process.
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She goes public on @Dokibird, mentioning the suicide attempt and the abuse she'd suffered.
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Anycolor inc. panics and begins damage control. Escalates.
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Cue the leak of her medical information and the contents of the document.
Cue the Elira stream.
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Dokibird responds in defense. Mentions she will be examining her legal options.
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Anycolor inc. panics and releases a statement that they investigated themselves and found themselves innocent. Riku releases a statement in appeasement of the investors.
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Dokibird makes another statement, expanding on what was already known. Demonstrates that nijisanji management manipulated facts and obfuscated key points of the deliberations. Asserts she wants to move on with her life, while making sure to take a high road of humility and restraint. Reiterates that she will respond in kind if they continue to attack her person. Veiled threat.
--------------------------------------------


You are here.

>>69098010
>I still love my oshi and will follow her to the end of the line.
Unironically based, good luck to you and your oshi.

>>69098354
At this point I really believe the narratives that Elira was at the very least a liaison to EN management and that EN management was lying to their JP superiors. It would greatly explain why the statements given between the two branches do not add up, unless it’s a severe case of miscommunication then it is also likely that JP was never told about what was going on, mirroring that of NijiKR. Basically another case of corruption that ended up punishing everyone at the bottom, and by the time NijiJP caught on it was probably too late. Their reputation in the west is already tarnished.

>>69073565
No i will not fix her, she fine the way she is.

>>69070550
>if you lost listen the way he talks, his intonation of words etc. it is very clearly
(You) cannot learn shit about Vox this way. This is Vox we're talking about. Dude can intone however the fuck he wants whenever the fuck he wants.

>>69099261
I hope to god it is real. If this is exposed to be true it will be a legendary all rrats are real moment and a case that will be forever remembered in vtuber history

>>69079615
Is the reason Elira in Japan now possibly as a means to argue that since she is a witness or defendant in the case, and is currently living in Japan, to move jurisdiction in their country? Weak however I feel that is.

>>69098010
>For Riku himself to bow to gaijin but EN's manager identity to remain well hidden....

I guarantee Riku didn't even know about that smear video before he did his dogeza. He must be seeing red right about now kek.

>>69097240
JP legal process requires you to send advance notice of the rough case and what evidence you're bringing to bear pre-discovery because muh honorabrew combat and so a lawyer can know how fucked they are before they take the case, so they can preserve their win record.
The documents would've ended up with Anycolor's legal team anyway.

>>69100857
>spoiler
I always wonder how that works. Like, do the fucked cases literally not get a lawyer, or is there an entire class of like intern bottom feeder defenders who just get paid to lose every case until they win one on accident and then theyre allowed to join a company or whatever.

>>69098354
>The means that EN management is either ALSO unaware of what is happening or they are lying to the JP side.
Or they aren't communicating at all, and Riku gets his information from 2ch.

>>69100857
But if this is true why wouldn’t the lawyers keep info and proceed normally instead of telling the livers who are not on the lawyers about that document and the information on it?

>>69099867
I actually would not doubt it if the rrats are real. It would not be the first instance of this happening in the entertainment industry, Volition did it too with the development of their game Agents of Mayhem. They lied to their publisher about how far along their game was, sending proof of concept renders and saying they were working features in the game, when it could not have been further from the truth. Deep Silver was then dumb founded to find out a year later that the those features were never started on, let alone communicated to the rest of the team.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ZmcV3GCfs

It's a different situation granted, one involves video game development and the other is just live streaming, but with how bad communication is between the two companies, it would not be surprising to find out that EN has lying to them about the state of the branch for a while. Or even lying to JP management about why people are leaving their company too. They could even be lying to their own sponsors about people like Selen not wanting to be collab with them, despite how much Selen wanted PC gaming merch and a Sanrio collab.

>>69101962
The talents were upset and some were probably ready to graduate themselves, so they had to act and justify themselves if they didn't want to lose them. Even at the risk of a lawsuit shooting them in the face, the cost is lower than losing half their talents.

>>69095182
I believe in the Great Unifying Rrat. Being there to witness it's birth has lit a fire in my soul.

>>69069409
>>69070550
Anyone familiar with the NijiKR situation?
Is this similar or NijiEN is on another level of disgusting?

>>69101962
>why wouldn’t the lawyers keep info and proceed normally instead of telling the livers who are not on the lawyers about that document and the information on it?
That's the entire crux of the problem.
>NijiEN livers have information about legal documents they should not even know exist.
>NijiEN's twitter says "We did not commit any crimes because none of our livers are under NDA", which is possibly the most baffling argument in the entire incident.
Either Anycolor legal is missing information, or asleep at the switch.

>>69101319
I'm not fully "in" on the social proceedings of the Japanese legal system, but it is my rough understanding that you either go it alone, or get a public defender (who are jobbers).

>>69101871
Not communicating at all seems likely. The Elira vid and the official vid being so close together and yet having wildly different messages really makes it seem like neither branch knows how the other is handling the damage control.

JP is trying to get it to blow over, EN is trying to discredit, but they each shot eachother in the foot.

>>69103124
It's also possible that EN said "we can handle it", then put out the Elira video, then tried to damage control the Privacy breach, then Riku got fed up and decided to do an official public statement attempting to backpedal the whole thing.
Do we know when Anycolor initially confirmed that Riku would make a statement?

>>69103424
>Do we know when Anycolor initially confirmed that Riku would make a statement?
The first time we heard that the statement was coming, was from Eliras stream

>>69103124
>>69103424
Never forget the exact timing on the EN vid on Elira's channel, it was a direct attack on dokibird.

>>69069409
my rrat is that the clique had complete control of everything including financials which made people out of the clique miserable and they were reporting everything is ok to jp higher ups. Someone must be IMMENSELY scheming for shit to turn this bad, either the clique or some shadow management, but for management who never did anything suddenly be on top of everything with apologies and vids seems very unlikely, my money is on the clique making everyone else miserable

>>69103424
The CEO making a public apology was certainly planned in advance. That's not something you do on a whim.
It's not backpedaling, the two branches just didn't have any clue what the other's statement actually was.

I think the GURRAT is not a rrat, but a fucking leak, that shit is too schizo and bullshit to not be real

>>69104870

The clique rrat is actually crazy enough to make sense. It's easier to visualize a jealous talent throwing shit at the pot than a shadow management that can have such a hate boner for a talent that they would go scorched earth to discredit her.

>>69105389
50/50. It was the eeaponized autism of rhe mob, but guided by some individual who has access to some kind of info.

>>69103424
All that Elira said on her stream was that Tazumi would release his own statement a few hours after theirs. So now it raises questions as to whether JP management now distrusts their EN sub division and did their own research on the situation, whether there was some miscommunication between the two languages, or if there was a long game of telephone at the JP branch that day and someone gave the wrong information.
I'm sort of leaning towards the first scenario being the most realistic at this rate, because Riku seemed to address a lot of problems that people have had with the branch for months if not an entire year. That's something that EN management rarely did, admit they made mistakes.

>>69102775
I think this is worse than the NijiKR situation. From what I recall it was one liver, Chae Ara, somehow treating the whole branch as her own personal playground, and befriended management to shut down projects of people she didn't like or just bullied them behind their backs. It reached a point where she was apparently sued for it along with some KR's management.
Meanwhile this involves multiple people being in on it, spans continents, has two near suicides, and it involves the Nijisanji brand being humiliated on a much larger, global scale. I genuinely cant think of many situations within Anycolor's roughly 6 years of existence either where Riku had to apologize on camera for the actions of his company either.

>>69105881
I suppose zoomer streamers being petty retards that'll burn themselves out of some sense of jealousy or rivalry is believable, but the idea that some middle aged nip corpo boomer will go to these lengths to persecute some talent he probably never even talked to in person on account of having zero English skills, even after she's been fired, is a bit less so.

Somehow the clique managed to convince Tazumi that the main reason EN fans are angry is a lack of 3D support just so they can get something out of this mess. It's actually quite impressive.

>>69105881
Well there was also a friend/acquaintance of Elira on Twitter that literally Confirmed that there is in fact a clique and that Elira was the head of it as well being the head of the managers.With all this power and control you can see how easily she could make it literally miserable for talents

This thread is discussing the situation more reasonably than 90% of twitter right now

>>69070550
>reddit spacing
>no one called it out
This board is dead
It's all pathetic dramaniggers from reddit now

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>>69108626
...you seriously can't read a paragraph without screaming like a child?

>>69108626
you need to be 18 or older to use this site anon

>>69096372
Sounds more like they’d go for the space chicken lawyer from Futurama to me.

>>69069409
>When looking back at what Vox said about the recording, he said that he hadn't heard about the contents of the recording but was told that it contained information that would "doxx him"
>>69070550
>Also as a side note if you lost listen the way he talks, his intonation of words etc. it is very clearly he is 100% convinced Selen is the villain in this story
yeah this fucker is clearly holding back his laugh while reading his own script

>>69070550
I love that nobody gives a shit about Ike

Eh I'm sticking to the clique + management agreed to do all of this but they failed and made things worse rrat since it's easier for my smooth brain

>>69110887
I've learnt that one should always expect the most smoothbrain response from Niji

Stop calling her dramabird.

>>69107252
This is my favorite part
>Ano, Elira-san, why aa za fanzu so anguly?
>Oh, they're extremely mad I don't have 3d yet. Also they said we should have more sponsorship collabs, but only for me, Millie, and Enna. Also we should fire that fucking bitch Maria who keeps streaming over me, they said that a lot too.

>>69111852
no keep doing it, makes it easier for us sisters to assemble!

>>69107252
now that you mention it, it's seems that's the only thin on the JP management side
they got played so hard by NijiEN kek

It's inevitable that someone higher up at Niji will discover that the clique is lying to them, right?

>>69113567
Not until they're in complete legal jeopardy and have to naked dogeza to investors.

>>69113567
If Anycolor's stock doesnt recover, or if things end up looking worse in their upcoming quarterly earnings report for mid March, then it is extremely likely that Riku will conduct his own research on what's going on in the EN branch. This is assuming too that he already hasn't sent some of his own trusted people to investigate the situation, as he's probably heard by now that his apology hasn't gone over that much better for the community.

>>69110623
The fucker literally smack his crusty lips, drank a bottle of water and repeated shit the other two had already said, he’s actually a fucken drone

>>69100568
I am very surprised that the branch even still exists.

>>69113567
With the CEO being forced to make a public apology, there's certainly going to be some scrutiny. Ideally, they might see the EN branch's recent stuff with leaking documents and having livers make a bunch of extra statements and start looking very closely. What happens at that point is anyone's guess.
Otherwise, they might assume their apology was enough and that matters will settle. If they don't clamp down on EN though, I'd expect more retarded statements from Elira and her clique to try to win back public support and shoot themselves in the foot further.

>>69115368
The JP investors are pulling out not because of any drama, but because they do not trust Niji's ability to expand overseas (and thus bring in the growth that investors want).
If Riku dissolves or merges the EN branch, he's proving them right, and the stock will crater.

>>69115511
And this all could have been avoided if the Clique just would have let Selen have her last cup of coffee in peace.

>>69115410
I wonder how they will react if they actually find out about the embezzlement lol.

Do you think Nijisanji will hit the point where they start terminating livers claiming to get rid of the bullies or are they just gonna wait it out and hope everyone forgets and gives them money again?

>>69108093
>it's Reddit now
>now
You weren't there in the 2010's went moot let reddit refugees flood the boards and expect special treatment while they spammed memes to being beyond unfunny.

>>69116168
Again, it all depends on their stock, as well as the Quarter 3 Earnings Report due mid March. At this point in time, it is extremely difficult to see a situation where Nijisanji just hopes the fans forget it and give them money again, because the CEO had to bail out his overseas EN branch and publicly apologize for possibly the first time in his career on video; and things are still bad. Expect all options to be on the table now, because there is no way that any Japanese CEO would let things continue the way they are after enduring such a humiliating ritual.

>>69070550
ohhhhhh man

>>69116570
The site has been a lost cause since election tourism and /pol/ put the final bullet in it's head.

This is what I cooked up from reading the Rrat That Shall Not Be Named.
(Any criticisms or corrections?)

>>69069409
>Why does it feel like Nijisanji, the corporation, is just as confused as the fans about all of this?
Probably EN not properly telling the whole story to JP
Kind of reminds me to the when Gura can release her daki after she talked to Marine and the words that have been spreading around is HoloEN management being a retard and refuse to greenlight the daki or when there's a goddamn second gen of Holostars in less than a year considering the first gen popularity was questionable and it has been a long time since Council debuted
Unfortunately for NijiEN, the only way to solve it is to change the management and take out the problematic livers or at least a strict and competent management to put them on a leash
A strict and competent management would probably solve the issue more than just taking out the problematic ones, considering Kiara used to shit on management yet people can do nothing about it and the issue only got solved after there's a change in the management because they hired a new director for HoloEN

>>69070550
Do NijiJP livers talk shit about Gundou? I'm not sure as I only watch a few JP livers and it's mostly for karaoke
If they don't but NijiEN does, then the clique thing in EN is a big red flag considering the numbers of EN livers are nothing compared to JP livers

>>69097310
ogey

>>69120150
gamergate was the beginning of the end. it caused a retarded civil war where a large chunk of the worst degens moves to the other chan that's probably still being watched by the fbi for cp and terrorism

>>69071372
It's more or less like NijiKR's drama, no?
The big difference is western society will go to your side if there's a combo of mental illness and suicide attempt
Even a brand as big as disney bow down to leftists

>>69122053
No, what NijiEN has done is unprecedented. You could argue that the Meiro case was similar but that was a situation where the company dropped a 4 page explanation 2 days after the termination and then never spoke about it again. They certainly didn't keep going after Meiro like they had a grudge, unlike what we see with Selen here. And they didn't trot Roa out to have her spit on Meiro publicly.

>>69072235
They are mad because of the entire shitshow that is the mv and the other shit that lead up to that
Also, the possibility of her getting fired due to the mv
Gundou disappeared for quite a while too before she got fired and the backlash was nothing like this

>>69101871
That seems unlikely
If shit blows up, it's the norm to ask for explanations from the responsible party
But if the responsible party is not telling the truth then it's a different scenario

>>69098354
>The means that EN management is either ALSO unaware of what is happening
Seems unlikely, at best there's only one individual in management with high influence involved in this

>>69073251
Livers learning Japanese could have prevented this drama
Jokes aside, if Scarle also get fired then it just further confirm the rrats

>>69113567
At this point they should just hire investigators and some random translators who are competent enough to summarise the events

>>69072235
>I do think Nijisanji might be confused about what Selen is trying to do here
They fully expected her to come out with receipts shitting on the company. It’s why they put the claims of bullying in the termination notice, it’s why they sniped her neopets stream. Nijisanji this entire time has been trying to desperately make moves ahead of Selen only to find out that she isn’t saying shit and in turn Niji makes themselves look like the bad guy. It’s almost comical.

>>69073850
I've never seen this, I'm interested.

>>69108093
there's a difference between spacing walls of text and reddit spacing between each sentence

>>69074624
>Nintendo
Not possible. They're also Elevens, and therefore also have no idea what the fuck is happening.

>>69072235
> I do think Nijisanji might be confused about what Selen is trying to do here.
if you want to make a maximally charitable interpretation for everyone: for niji the en branch is over if they aren't vindicated somehow, so they keep prodding selen in the hope that she gets baited into laying her cards on the table under the assumption that they're a lot weaker than everyone thinks, making themselves look worse each time. selen feels in over her head and wants everyone to move on. she doesn't have to be a manipulative genius to not rise to the bait, it's just her natural inclination in the situation. more competent parties would be able to come to a private settlement. as is they're all stuck in a trap.

They have the same playbook when it comes to these types of situations. So NijiJP is probably giving NijiEN a reach around for a job well done

>>69120447
Denied is misspelled.

>>69137471
Still reddit

>>69120923
I think the difference between 2022 HoloEN and 2023 NijiEN is that for the former the girls could make a common front and go around omegatroon.

>>69073251
Did Zaion get in trouble because she went over Elira's head?

>>69132999
>Livers learning Japanese could have prevented this drama
Japanese NDF unironically started saying this...

>>69141581
>western sub company that employs westerners for the western audience
>WHY THEY NO SPEAK JAPANESE ON A NATIVE LEVEL AND HONOR THE WORK CODE OF THE JAPANESE????

>>69136241
Honestly with that fucking neopets snipe I don't know how people can think that there wasn't SOME kind of corporate bullying going on. That shit was fucking tactical. They know exactly how to crush somebody.

>>69141672
No, they really don't. They employ cheap brute intimidation that backfires into their face. They are too retarded to be tactical.

>>69141834
Were you there for it? Selen was on the verge of a meltdown, they knew what they were doing by scheduling it at that time.

kinda related, but i just realized that during the time they released that weird statement that NijiEN didn't break NDA for divulging the selen documents, they put themselves on a legal precedent that leaking internal Anycolor documents is NOT an NDA breach, therefore an unterminable offense. they put themselves in a position where Mel and Rushia offenses can't end on a termination and if they do, they're opening themselves to criminal liabilities on grounds of unfair terminations.

not that i believe Anycolor will honor that, but it's kinda interesting on how it would play eventually.

funniest part is all the JP bootlickers. Meanwhile they cancel someone over a comment about a baseball game

>>69096543
No, she's got nothing, it was just a threat.

>>69113567
This is the rub, either they bring down the hammer on NijiEN or it comes out Doki is a lying victim posturing piece of shit. I'm just waiting and watching how this plays out.

>>69070550
>She
Fuck off
Everything else I agree though

>>69071427
The original Japanese phrase 極めて軽微 that was translated to "negligible" in the English text is apparently a common business term in Japan?
Hence the confusion
I added the twitter link just because I find some of the posts mocking them funny
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%A5%B5%E3%82%81%E3%81%A6%E8%BB%BD%E5%BE%AE&src=typed_query&f=live

>>69144603 (me)
They were still wrong btw looking at their stock prices

>>69073565
Who are you quoting?

>>69069409
They spent all of January trying to figure out what to do with Selen, they kept her locked out of her accounts, but didn't want to graduate her, because Pomu was also moving out at the same time and they wanted to cash out one last time. They waited too long and Selen got a lawyer, who told her that the way she was being treated by the company was not at all normal or even legal. So when Selen showed up with actual evidence proving her mistreatment they freaked out and terminated her immediatly. Bad move in hindsight, because Selen probably would have been down to settle things out of court and have a peaceful graduation. By writing that termination notice they incriminated themselves and started a bunch of rumours after a month of radio silence. It's possible that Selen only got a lawyer at first to get back access to her channel, but then changed her mind later. That would explain why they were so surprised to hear the allegations, they were hearing them for the first time only two hours before throwing her out.

From the perspective of the livers it's probably even worse, they were hit by a shitstorm of epic proportions with no idea what was going on. They demand an explanation from management, they hand over all the wvidence they got from Selen. Sherlock Vox looks through all the documents, decides it's bullshit and, trying to save the day, plans to expose Selen live together with Elira and Ike on Stream. Milord's actions backfire and he makes Niji look even more suspicious.

>>69144785
it's called paraphrasing, ESL-chama

>>69114178
He should be doing it right now after he had to apologize in a video where he looked like he was ready to kill someone over why he was even there in the first place but was forced to. He is going to have to answer investor's questions about this or dedicate part of his earnings release materials to explaining how they contained this mess. Not doing so sets him up for more embarassing things to happen and it's about nigh time he stops the bleeding for good. By golly they actually leave things aside and sort out a settlement without going to court but holy hell, I don't know how credible Anycolor still is after having their EN branch quadruple down and try 3 separate occasions to smear Doki before we got Riku's apology video.

>>69069409
Counterpoint: are (you) getting told everything by dokibird?

>>69111852
>dramabird
This is actually funny.

>>69146067
>are (you) getting told everything by dokibird?
What are you talking about. She hasn't said shit, except for responding to statements already put out by Nijisanji.
Trying to pill the "her accusations are all lies" card makes you look ridiculous, because the accusations are coming from Nijisanji, not Doki.

>>69069409
Are you forgetting all the discord leaks
They absolutely know but keep quiet about it

>>69141449
Zaion speaking Japanese was probably a big reason as to why they got her terminated, she threatened Elira’s hold on power.

>>69147185
The NDF aren’t sending their best

>>69147185
>the accusations are coming from Nijisanji, not Doki
It bears repeating that the /vt/ rrats have gotten inside Elira's head and become manifest destiny. The rratposters were too accurate with their guesses, which made the clique (who are very much /here/) assume Doki had leaked everything when she actually hadn't said shit. There is the possibility that Doki herself is a rratposter, but there's been no actual evidence leaks that only she had access to, everything is plausibly based on accurate OSINT guesswork from smart anons. Even now the clique probably still have no idea what Doki actually said and what's just anon rratwork.

>>69085728
Both

What are the odds that someone else in EN breaks NDA, spills the beans on everything, and then unalives live on stream? How big a yab would that be?

>>69069409
No, they were fed some BS by Elira clique which is why they reposted the PR disaster, now they're looking here and realizing that their management was shitty because it was Elira clique all along

>>69148408
>It bears repeating that the /vt/ rrats have gotten inside Elira's head and become manifest destiny.
I don't necessarily think that's true, but it's a terrifying thought.

>>69148408
Why does this sound likely? It might explain the distrust culture got created there if that leaker is legitimate

>>69070550
damn anon this are some straight FACTS, except for the she part

>>69069409
Communication is critical for a company. It is Riku's fault he defunds communication to maximize short-term profits. I feel bad for him but it is his fault or whoever operates his business in the first place.

>>69148408
>Elira right now

>on todays episode of NijiJP are actually good guys and don't know anything about NijiEN

>>69114178
March is coming up already theres no way he isn't looking into this further. Plus he released the apology video already he needs to provide more context when that tragic report has to be presented.

We need to get more relevant info over to the JP side so that he can't just brush it off

>>69149722
the black box stream is already one HUGE NDA breach, so everyone involved in that stream are possibly fired already. they're just prepping an actually good statement for this.

as long as Nui makes it out I'm ok

>>69151920
Who will enforce it though?

>>69151920
Proof of NDA breach has yet to be seen and Doki hasn't even mentioned it in her supposed final statement. A nothingburger and Dramabird drones are still biting

>>69145145
This is the real GURRAT

>>69148408
>Doki herself is a rratposter
This is why I think NijiEN should initiate lawsuit and get a subpeona for this site and see who and what NijiEN has been posting /here/. They might uncover more than they bargain for but for this specific case it might help tremendously if they can prove Selen has been fomenting NijiEN resentment on various popular sites.

>>69150779
Hopefully she does a nude walk of shame