/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69035232
What if you killed yourself?

>>69035232
Probably doesn't matter now. Public opinion is swayed heavily in her favor.

>>69035232
What if you checked Canadian laws and noticed she didn't break any laws? What if you stopped making dumb and uninformed threads? What if you turned off your computer and frolicked in nature instead?

>>69035232
>This post is for minorities
They are bot openminded in this topic anon.

>>69035232
LEAVE THE MULTI *checks notes*
*sigh*
MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONE!

>>69035271
Public opinion was swayed heavily in George Floyd favor too

>>69035232
>actually did record vox
you know this isn't illegal, right

>>69035232
Well, none of it would matter because we don't live in that timeline.

What if OP actually is a faggot?

>>69035232
It would literally change nothing. Why the fuck would I care about her following the guidelines on a video she paid for and produced and Niji had nothing to do with beyond telling her "no" at the last second?

>>69035232
What if you stopped sucking cocks? Would you die?

>>69035232
No one gives a shit about nijisanji guidelines, go offline and never come back you are incapable of human interaction.

>>69035232
if she killed herself noe of that would have mattered
the only mistake she made was thinking her 'friends' would be happy she lived, instead they are shitting on her and are throwing her completely under the bus
I bet they wish she did kill herself so they wouldn't be bothered to face the consequences of their actions

>>69035357
Saint George Floyd

>>69035357
he's already dead

>>69035232
>actually did record vox
Then we have more evidence to infer she isn't lying about her claims regarding bullying.
This is the best part about that stream. It was elira vox and ike basically self-reporting how evil they are for fifteen minutes and they're all so retared and spiteful they didn't even stop to consider that might be how it goes down.

>>69035232
Nijisanji would still be fucked by how they handled the situation

>>69035337
Nobody is taking about Canadian law we're talking about niji policy

She probably did break the rules.
She was justified in recording vox.
Whether it was legal to talk about it or not it still was a dick move to do so during her first stream when the drama was starting to die down. (Also an incredibly stupid one)

i called luca an asshole for recording his conversations with scarle
i would also call selen an asshole for recording her conversation with who knows how many others too.
she was a menhera, trying to oof herself was the best decision she could make becasue it gave the public opinion on her side.
Lots of nijis stopped forllowing her on their RM. And some ex nijis are also avoiding her.
She just was a shitty person to work with. It is not the same a being a bad person but given what vox said about she asking persmision first to use him as evidence for favoritism or some shit on 2023 makes me see selen as that girl that alwasy tries to change how things work even while is not possible.
She should have left earlier i find hard to belive nina and mysta somehow where smarter than her at the end by leaving peacefully.

>>69035357
And Chauvin is in jail, see how that works?

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035583
>Nobody is taking about Canadian law
Canadians can record people without that person's permission, if the recording person is part of the conversation. The entirety of Canada is one-party-consent for recording.

Does not change anything. She would have not said anything and Niji would not have taken any damage in terminating her. But they had to go ahead and shoot themselves, again and again.

>>69035583
No one gives a shit about niji policy, go offline and never come back.

>>69035721

>>69035232
>What if
What if she succeeding in killing herself?
then we'd be having a much different conversation, you stupid fucking faggot

>>69035785
neeeegger

>>69035850
depening on the context it might not be admisable in court and in fact would get you the bad eye fromt he judge.
But this is all specualtion becasue reagrding all this talk and shit about what is legal or not, the only way any of this would matter is if we knew the nature of the bullying/harrasment/hostile conditions that selen faced.
And that is something no one has talked about not even selen and is the most important details to see if she is right in sticking it up his coworkers or a menhera that most poeple just find annoying..

>>69036086
actually yeah
this would have died like in a week.

How the fuck are you supposed to have a legal document without someone's actual name on it you dumb piece of shit. None of you retards know what doxxing is, you're all underaged pagpag munchers.

>>69036194
It would have led to a criminal investigation of their internal communications.

Vox's argument is seriously "it was unethical for her to record me harassing her, I thought I was harassing her in confidence I can't believe this betrayal", right?

>>69035232
Everything they said that Doki did is in fact true and factual.

Perhaps they were legally clear with reviewing the documents meant for lawyers since they're involved in the case.

The fun thing is that none of that matters now because Doki's fuck ups is overshadowed by how niji responded every step of the way.

Niji could very well be legally in the right, but they chose to battle it out on the court of public opinion.

It's like getting falsely accused of rape; maybe you get exonerated in court, but everyone assumes you're a rapist anyway

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035583
Lmao
The instant they published that hit piece it stopped being about niji policy or niji 'rules' entirely
That stuff only matters if Selen gives half a shit about being terminated unfairly and wants them to reinstate her (yeah no)
They sat down at the high stakes table the moment they mentioned harassment

>>69035232
Fucking god, I hate you inbred retard NDF twitter tourist

>>69036370
moron

They knew she was accusing them of harassment and their response was to harass her in public, multiple times. You don't need any more information than that to know the priorities of their management and other livers.

>>69036387
she mentioned it tough. she mentioned even threating to sue other persons that is why the reatrds at niji added that part on the termination notice.
But everything is pointless becasue we dontactually know what did she considered bullying that niji didnt.
And if that under the eyes of the law would be a problem.

>>69035232
Probably both sides are true.

My rrat:
Discord groups are systematically spreading all these info about Selen on all social media platforms.
Though this doesn't invalidate Selen's claims BUT this just gives her a head start on public opinion.

If you keep making these gay ass threads I'm going to type your Chinese zergbrain killswitch activation phrase next post

>>69035232
>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more),
She abslutely did. Doesn't justify anything management has done.
>actually did record vox
She absolutely did. Still doesn't justify anything management has done.
>and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?
This isn't even a real complaint. Legal documents use people's legal names.
>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit because they're involved in it and niji consulted a bunch of lawyers in whether they're allowed to see it?
Then they and/or Nijisanji are still a bunch of shitheads for trying to slander Selen rather than just hurrying up court proceedings.

>>69036370
Whether or not they're right or wrong they have very good reason to battle for public opinion. Every fucking body keeps forgetting the .live controversy which remains the immediate predecessor to the Selen case.

yoyoyo check it what if water WASNT wet ever think of that hotshot

>>69035232
you cannot post this argument and ignore the other side, that selen claimed prolonged bullying and harassment from within the company. if what selen did is true but the abuse was also true, the abuse was worse. end of story.

these are false argument OPs, trying to pretend selen quit for no reason and at all and she had no problems on her end other than the whining list nijiEN shamefully published.

>>69036326
yeah. this works on women btw. like a magic spell

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit?

You know it does not matter. Any reason to slander a corpo is reason enough. Hololive went through the same with rushia/coco/mels rape.

>>69036326
His argument was more
>I admitted to receiving favouritism to her, but I wouldn't have done it if I knew I was being recorded

>>69035232
What if your mom asked her clients to wear condoms

>>69035232
"What if" implies it's hypothetical. Stop coping and look reality in the eye.

>>69036640
>Probably both sides are true.
ding ding ding ding
yup neither what selen have said or what the other said are mutual exclusive.
What she considerred bullying might not have been as harsh as the public think and the others were probably unaware of what she was doing to just get at mangement.
And what these nijiniggas might consider doxxing may not be given the legal nature of the documents that were shared.

i still think selen was just dumb and looking for something else out fo management that well...most werent msot seem happy to stay or just leave. i find hard that mysta, nina, kyo and pomu left wihtout much problem but selen needed some dam lawyers in the negotiations.
She got waht she wanted so she won.

>>69035232
Only jap cocksuckers care about the rules. The rules are unjust and selectively applied. Anycolor has no case as long as Luca is still free of punishment when he has broken the rules far more severely than Selen did.

>>69037031
and this is how the clique gets away with it. their next victim might not survive, guys

>>69036825
>if what selen did is true but the abuse was true
we saw recipes of she breaking the rules. but we havent seen those recepes about the bulllying.

>>69037049
this, all claims about "but muh internal rules and order of operatiiionnss!!" mean nothing when luca outright let outsiders play his MC character (in the presence of other livers), sockpuppet his twitter and BFE content etc, the works. these were just people he personally knew and had far up his grooming ladder who were dumb enough to do his dirty work. he deserves be fired a million times over, completely non-jokingly, if niji management really-cares about its own internal privacy, rules and NDAs.

>>69035232
This. DO NOT TAKE A SIDE.

>>69035583
Not even the livers give a shit about Niji policy

>>69037088
i think the clique rrat is overblow.
i do belive groups of people formed on niji becasue given the size of the dam thing is impossible that it didnt form and obvious preferences happen to them becasue perfromance or charisma.
But that this is some kind of mafia that controls nijien and they all have some special permissions i feel people are stretching the truth.

>>69035232
>broke policy guidelines
Its just guidelines. Not rules in that case. Not that big of a deal.
>did record vox
Canada fuck yea. She and any other canadian can record whoever they want, especially when they are trying to gather proof of misconduct against them.
>almost doxxed talents in legal documents
Impossible. The onus on redacting personal information from legal documents is on the lawyers. So its literally not on selen or her lawyer which have to include real names and information. The niji lawyer has to redact any sensitive information.

>>69037196
He also recorded a sensitive conversation he wasn't part of and shared it with his hag gf. Not even a lawyer. But Selen is so bad for taking recordings as proof of harassment.

>>69035232
even if selen was the most vile human being on the planet, nothing changes the fact that the way management acted was disgusting, unprofessional and incredibly stupid. they should have let things blow over but instead doubled and tripled down on their vendetta (1 multibilion dollars company vs 1 broke girl, always a good look)

so either doki is right or both sides are wrong, there is no case where management is right in this,

Hmm, a bunch of 'what ifs' vs actual witnessed vile niji acts? I believe what I see, thank you.

>>69037031
The others left but they didn't really seem to get the same shitty treatment as Selen given all the public projects that Niji rugpulled on her. So it's understandable, especially if she has evidence of favouritism, that she would expect some compensation for the expenses she incurred.

>>69035359
doesn't mean its not wrong or she isn't a piece of shit, anyone would feel betrayed and pissed at
>>69035340
it's tiring, people won't have an actual discussion about even the suggestion of it and just shit on anyone who disagrees in this echo chamber, the community turned this place into reddit

>>69035583
No one gives a shit about niji policy, especially if it's retarded and was made up on the spot to fuck with an employee.

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035232
Selen x Dokibird collab when!?

>>69035232
> what if I my oshi's company was not lying through it's teeth to save face

>>69037695
hot

>>69035232
>and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?

You're a fucking retard and so are the three stooges. If this goes to court, do you think they're going to roll out a monitor in front of a judge and fire up a discord call with Vox Akuma? Do you think they're going to cross-examine Elira Pandora's model? A legal document uses people's real names, you drooling moron. Jesus christ nijicucks are stupid.

>>69037196
vox grooming teens vs selen not getting clearance for her own company's ip lmao

>>69035721
Vox zhang sister hands typed this.

>>69037561
Go on reddit and toss a couple softballs on how many of the nijis are shota/lolicons and have the entire western fanbase eat itself.

>>69035232
honestly I expect a certain degree of truth there, it's easy to imagine a slow and ineffectual management frustrating her to the point she flaunts their permission rules to try and get shit done. It's easy to imagine she sees others with better management or priority and prepare stuff she feels she needs to challenge it.

The problem is that it really doesn't matter any more, Their handling of her termination and the fallout surrounding it displays just how poorly managed the branch is; combined with other problems within the company it paints a picture of the whole company having a competency crisis. It's a fucking mess.

Even if it becomes clear Selen was a paranoid schizo all along their handling of her termination is a problem itself.

>>69035583
Niji policy is to pay their talents piss poor rates and treat a 15k USD project so badly that they forgot what they approved of
Niji policy is to send a Producer for a 15k USD project a single email once to ask for his permission to cover a song, then never try to contact said Producer again when you don't get a reply
Niji policy is to mismanage an entire branch so badly that your talents mingle on private Discords with a secluded part of their fanbase and let your talent leak their audition tape
Niji policy is to ignore any and all wrong-doings from your big earners while throwing your talents under the bus to fire them and burn their future career in the industry

Is this the talk you wanted to have about Niji policy? Because these are all proven Niji policies.

>>69035232
I was cautiously anticipating that managnent took down the video to protect them from copyright issues. Then elira confirmed it wasnt.

I have never seen anything wrong with recording conversations you are a part of. I look at her sharing this recording on the same level of her just telling her lawyer that this happened. Understandable that upset she shared it to build a case against his employer.

What does almost doxx mean? Elira said she alluded to their address in a document. Was their address mentioned but not tied to them specifically or did it say what city they lived in? Has there been an expressed intention of leaking that specifically?

I dont take dokis statement she made on the spot that they werent allowed to share what the talent saw as gospel. She might think it was some other document or not know some legal technicality. Vox claiming he read the document when managnent said they only got a small piece each raises some questions though.

Here's my take on what really happened

>At some point, for some reason, someone at Nijisanji management and Selen butted heads and continued to butt heads. Selen probably is a difficult person to manage.
>Management didn't want to fire her because ultimately if she is making money by streaming, that's a zero effort revenue source
>But the problem is Selen is ambitious and that creates work with needing to check permissions, get NDAs signed, etc. And Selen liked to dream big so that was probably creating a ton of work for her manager who fucked hated her guts anyway. The manager was probably seeing little if any of the actual profits from Selen's projects given how stingy Niji in general is so they probably had no incentive to actually want to do it.
>So because this manager hated her guts and now she was creating more and more work them, they just decided to throw every piece of red tape at her and just generally try to discourage her from taking on projects, just stream Apex like the good little gremlin you are and make money
>Selen taking notice of how much bullshit she had to put up with whilst others breezed through, got suspicious and started getting receipts.
>She probably brought this up to management multiple times but they probably stonewalled her each time with "it's just policy"
>Selen probably wasted many tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands as she claimed, on projects that never saw the light of day because they were rugpulled by arbitrary application of policy
>The others, definitely noticed this but of course they wouldn't want themselves to get covered in red tape so took management's side and just told Selen to shut the fuck up and play nice
>Selen, being a stubborn mental child, doubled down even harder and probably just decided to start going over management's head which caused even more conflict
>Eventually this boiled up to the coffee MV
>It was obviously meant to be Selen's goodbye video and management knew that
>Management rugpulled her at the last minute and Selen knew that they were going to drag out this permissions and policy bullshit indefinitely until she graduated, thus denying her any profit from the video and denying her the privilege of leaving her fans with a parting gift from her
>Selen, finally, snaps and tries to kill herself from the mental load
>Niji refuses to figure out which end of a gun barrel is the bad end and continually shoots itself in the chest in attempts to kill Selen and save themselves from any fallout since they know they've fucked up

And now we're here. Ultimately, both parties are somewhat responsible but way more weighted to Niji for getting into an industry where your job is to tard wrangle the people who make you money and then refusing to actually do any proper tard wrangling and instead just antagonise your tard until they break.

>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more)
She probably did, but after all the bureaucratic clusterfuck in that company and its unequal enforcement came to light, I say fuck the rules.

>>69035232
literally does not matter

NijiEN as a company and, since that last video, the livers as well have destroyed their own reputation due to the way they've handled the situation. If Doki was going on the offensive and trying to slander NijiEN's reputation PUBLICLY (publicly being the keyword here) then the situation would be different and proof exonerating NijiEN would be enough for the tables to turn in their favour.

However so far NijiEN has always been the first party to bring up new information and every time they have that information has reflected more poorly on themselves than on Doki.

They've dug their own grave and the best outcome they can hope for now is to somehow drag doki down into it with them but I don't see a way they can claw their way back out.

>>69039295
not to mention doki had repeatedly said that she had actively tried to avoid talking about this at all and wanted to just move on from it entirely in the public. she's only responding to their brazen attacks basically going "well oookay then just know I've got the real receipts here, and they're being tryhards sharing private documents and spreading lies."

>>69035232
I wish for everybody involved to lose.

>>69035232
What if Nijisanji took responsibility? What if there was a way to order a rope online?

>>69035232
What if the real reason Pomu graduated is because I knocked her up?

>>69039878
Impossible, because that was me

>>69036370
>It's like getting falsely accused of rape
Nah, it’s shouting “HEY GUYS DOKI IS ABOUT TO ACCUSE ME OF RAPE SHE’S AN EVIL LYING BITCH” and being surprised when people start wondering what is wrong with you.

>>69039167
Honestly I'm a Dragoon and think this is pretty likely but I can't fault her at all because if I had to deal with management retardation like that I'd snap too.

>>69040014
Well then in 9 months we'll have a rematch to settle this once and for all.

>>69035232
It literally doesn't matter and most people are assuming the termination notice was more or less truthful regarding her.
The thing that ignited this whole thing was that Niji basically admitted to being a toxic workplace and so her not towing the company line is perfectly acceptable.

>>69039167
Sounds pretty plausible, plus its compatible with whatever degrees of bullying may have taken place.

I would also imagine that seeing others not struggling with red tape or management selectively enforcing rules must have made her pretty angry too.

>>69039204
The shittier someplace is the greater chance of it having vague, catch-all rules that are applied arbitrarily

What if the op is just Vox akuma aka Edward baldock?

>>69035232
>actually did record vox
That seems like a smart thing to have done, in retrospect?

>>69035232
I’m someone who believes Selen has pulled off an all time grift here. That said, this situation has been so poorly handled by the NijiEN management that it almost seems malicious at this point. They just need to shut the fuck up, stop skinwalking on talent Twitter accounts, stop posting heavily scripted videos. The NijiEN brand is going to be associated with this forever, and it’s all their fault. AnyColor pretty much have to just axe the branch at this point, no one in their right mind is going to want to walk into this shit show and they are now bleeding fans.

>>69040087
Just to clarify, I'm 100% on her side.

If I am a vtuber, indie or corpo, my first allegiance is to my fans and my first concern will always be for my fans. My goal as a corpo vtuber is to utilise the resources my company offers me to better serve my fans but in return, I need to jump through some corporate hoops. If you're a corpo vtuber and your company basically tells you to fuck off when you try to utilise their resources for the sake of your fans, you are no longer in any sort of moral peril when you go over their heads and refuse to jump through their hoops.

Doki clearly loves her fans and people can feel that.

>>69039167
>Selen taking notice of how much bullshit she had to put up with whilst others breezed through, got suspicious and started getting receipts

I'm guessing that you're guessing, that this is where Vox comes in, like she dropped by to chat and just so happened to quiz him on his permissions approval process, found that it was incredibly different/more lenient and fast than hers, and recorded it as proof? It'd make sense she'd probe for this with Vox since he's not just a Luxiem but was basically a walking god at one point so it's probable he'd get the most lenient cushy support. Hell most of the Luxiems are probably like that - maybe Ike was another one she chatted up and found a similar difference.

>>69040515
I thought he a bald old man, not justin bieber

>>69039167
I agree with this basically and for the legal case im guessing selen wanted to graduate and be compensated for the money she put in and for her unfair treatment. If they didnt reach an agreement she would start sharing her story with the public and sue.

>>69035337
>making dumb and uninformed threads
this is literally all the "rrat threads" in the last 48 hours idiot

>>69035232
What if SEAFags learned what a court redaction was?

>>69035232
Even that wouldn't negate how shady NijiEN is. Too many people and events have indicated them to be a bad company.

>>69035232
>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines
You mean she did that after they sabotaged her projects, harassed her and stole 15k Canadian dollars from her.
>actually did record vox
Which is legal in Canada and did so to have a record of management favoritism and emotional abuse.
>and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document
That would be the fault of Niji managers for sharing the legal documents around. That is unless Elira and Vox are managers themselves.

You don't need to know exactly what happend - just look at the position everyone was in and think logical about it for a second

Selen:
>is very ambitious
>constantly wants to make more unique content for her fans
>doesn't really take no for an answer

The manager:
>has to manage multiple gens at the same time
>probably massively overworked
>because company policies has to make sure everything is approved and okay
>on top of that Selen keeps approaching them with unique and weird ideas putting even more work onto their shoulders
>probably just wishes everyone was exclusively doing Minecraft, ASMR and chats cause that takes the least amount of effort

Corpo Niji
>doesn't give a shit about content
>just wants to make the most money out of their livers while taking a bare minimum risks
>lets one person manage multiple gens because profit margins
>also requires that every tiny thing gets approved to x levels because risk management

Other livers:
>See that Selen is constantly trying to pull some stunts
>either really appreciate what she is trying to do or get annoyed by it because of the stress this is causing with the manager or because it makes them and their content look worse in comparison

There is never one true bad actor. This is just a clusterfuck.

>>69035721
She is doing a collab with Yugo/U-san next week, Zaion/Sayu already offered her condolences/support, It's possible Kuro/Matara aren't saying shit cause they don't wanna drag VShitShow into the drama (Though normie fags going over the whole history with careless disregard of past life culture may force them to speak up if they don't hard ignore it) Hate to break it to people but Pomu is probably part of the clique considering she is hanging out with them in japan according to some RRats,

>>69035232
It most likely is true. Her own fans said she reacts very impulsively and emotionally and she has BPD so this is likely the case. Think about it, who the hell tries to kill themselves over a music video? This behavior would get you laughed at and told to kill yourself in any other situation but dramafags are too high on the drama to see that.

>>69035253
Fpbp

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035232
By this point there's almost nothing that could turn this around for niji. Sorry sisters. You did it to yourselves. The truth has already been written and accepted. Selen won without ever even having to fire a shot

>>69035253
Fpbp

>>69035721
What if you found out that Elira also records talents and collects blackmail on talents to keep them in line?

>>69041388
from what I could gather the MV was simply the end point of a long torturous road she had been on and she was at wit's end what to do, like so sad she wasn't even allowed to give a goodbye video.

Also, people always frame last coffee as like, she's just gonna leave Nijisanji and go do something else.. but I mean, it could also have a double meaning she wanted to just leave, well, everything. Showing some of the graduated livers in heaven may mean like, she wanted to actually-go to heaven herself IRL, so to speak. If you ask for it to make sense, it won't, people in that state of mind can have basically everything one could plausibly want and still sudoku in the end, like Robin Williams. Personally I always get suspicious of the strangely-happy people and Selen is one of those and yeah, welp all suspicions are confirmed for me really. The laughs hide the pain.

>>69035232
What policy?
The policy of lying to the customer why events and projects arent happening?
We have the concert, which had a ton of branch members complaining.
The no tournaments ever again bullshit.
The last hurray music video before getting fired.
If you put some pathos in it, thats straigth up pro consumer whistleblower martyr shit.

Recording something to defend yourself in court against a corporation bad? Are you in pre school or a prison gang or something?

>>69036620
What you and the other NDF faggots never seem to understand is the ONLY word we have of her "threatening to sue them" has come from niji THEMSELVES
>B.but.. you don't hire a lawyer unless you're planning to sue
She could have a lawyer retained cause her family is well off and she wants to protect herself from libel and mudslinging, Which niji has ACCELERATED into by publishing hitpiece after hitpiece, If there is going to be any lawsuits, They brought it on them fucking selves, Even if you take their OWN god damn statements at face value all she did was bring up the "Possibility" Of suing them, Which if you have a competent legal team should be met with actions that DISUADE her from suing you, Instead they basically said "Bring it on bitch we're ready" and machine gunned themselves in the foot regarding a much more relevant court in the short term, The court of public opinion, Normie dramafags have ensured nobody in the west is gonna wanna work with these clowns, It will blow over in asia cause nips don't give a fuck about sjw bullshit, But it still ruins their overseas expansion plans which is a major hit to their long term growth, something investors very much don't like

>>69041609
Robin Williams was in constant pain with the worst kind of dementia imaginable, retard. Google Lewy Body Dementia and you’ll see.

>>69035232
>What if she
She did.
She fucking did you moron, everyone saw this.
And your stupid ass company should have quietly and respectfully given her a "final message" before terminating her contract, instead of acting like pathetic, petty bitches, and publicly bullying a suicidal girl.
Like some high school bitches alliance.

The real world is rough, enjoy the lawsuit.

>>69041388
to add to that her attempt could not have been serious. if you do make any serious attempt at suicide you are not out in 2-3 weeks, or however long it was. it would be a year or more. that beeing said if you mention suicide to any docter he will send you to the ward. better safe than sry.

>>69035232
>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit because they're involved in it
If they were involved in it, then they should know better than to openly discuss details of an ongoing litigation or arbitration.
If they were not involved in it, then they should not have been given details of an ongoing litigation or arbitration.
Now what if you just admitted that the branch is horribly mismanaged and that the company is blacker than your wife's boyfriend?

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69039167
Some version of this seems likely. Doesn't even have to be personal animosity from a specific manager (even if she felt it was), they could just be understaffed and lazy and not prioritize anything Selen needed them to do. Pomu got the same runaround shit and just barely got her debut MV done like the day before her graduation.

The details or truth don't matter, it's an angry mob.

As someone who hates NijiEN, but also hates being a retarded sheep, this has been a very awkward affair for me. From everything we've seen her termination was probably justified. That doesn't mean Niji isn't a dogshit company with bullying, favoritism and non-existent management, but those are two different matters, only one of which we have actual proof for.
>but she tried to an hero!
That's terrible I guess, but not really relevant.

NijiEN is like Will in this scene of The Inbetweeners: https://youtu.be/JSfYEg9asM0?t=13
I don't envy being in their position, but honestly they kinda had it coming, and the industry would be leagues better if they collapsed. All's well that ends well I suppose.

>>69041900
NDF tards are cosplaying doctors as well as lawyers now?, Man i hope you get paid double for the mental gymnastics

>>69042094
Good post and good clip, love me some Inbetweeners.

>>69041609
>but I mean, it could also have a double meaning she wanted to just leave, well, everything.
No. It was a graduation song because it was the same song Dokibird sang when she graduated and left for Nijisanji. It's a big circular reference to her fans that she's going back to Dokibird.

>like Robin Williams
This is weirdly, the second time I've seen fucking Robin Williams brought up in conversations about fucking Selen. Robin Williams was suffering from advanced dementia and killed himself because he didn't want to become a living husk as all his beloved and happy memories faded away left only with pain, confusion and misery. I have no idea what that's got to do with Selen.

>>69041295
I think in this case the bad actor is Nijisanji itself. This branch was making 20% of Nijisanji revenue at one point and they were getting the support level of Kawaii or Prism Project. You're paying so much money in, 50% of your income, 98% of the merch, and getting fuck all back but the right to use the Niji name and model.

>>69035232
God, I hope she has killed that cancer of a branch with this mess. Good fucking riddance, minus a handful who will be fine elsewhere.

>>69041900
Just because women are bad at killing themself doesnt make it any less of a desperate cry for help.
A week is already a long stay in hospital, its usually therapy and medication after a couple days.

>>69035232
That would be hilarious

>>69035232
"What if"? Those things are true.

>>69039167
Honestly, this probably the most reasoned and likely take I've seen so far.

>>69035232
it literally doesn't matter. Selen could've called Vox a nigger and killed Elira's cat. Nijisanji's response to this whole mess is so unprofessional and awful that their sins as an organization outweigh anything Selen could've done.

>>69039167
Sound pretty plausible. *removed wall of text* jumping from job to job(2012-2018) I have witnessed a few work dramas in my life in different working environments that I actually can see this happening.

They end up leaving the company and is doing great.

>>69042134
there is suicide risk chart where they go by. ive been in there for over a year.

>>69042186
The core of the problem is definitely Niji and the way they operate the branch. Livers getting peanuts for their work isn't even the main problem - but if you take all the money you atleast have to give something back and ensure that those creators can deliver the content that the fans ask for.

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69039167
I find this entirely plausible. You sound like you have worked a corporate job before.

>>69040910
I think so. I do genuinely think her and Vox were friends but Selen knew it would probably be a bitch move to expect Vox to take a bullet for Selen and earn the ire of management so she took the middle ground, record him without his knowledge so he had plausible deniability if it ever gets brought up, which he absolutely does and that's the card he is pulling now but she also gets her evidence.

Vox would be totally and completely fucked if Selen told her she was going to record the conversation and he admitted he got preferential treatment. So her only route to eventually defend herself from the company was to mislead her friends, which is a shitty thing to do, but when it's your job and livelihood on the line, I don't blame her.

>>69035232
Why are you nijiretards are so fucking stupid? It is literally doesn't matter what she broke or didn't break. This shitshow is happening solely because of how niji decided to handle it. Both termination notice and elira's stream are LITERAL harassment. You do not need to know anything else. You do not need to believe selen at all. It's that fucking simple

>>69035357
What's your point?
The left loves to choose unrepentant career criminals as martyrs.
They had a perfect choice with Daniel Shaver, a totally innocent guy who was brutally murdered by police, on video.
But no, they keep defending pedophiles, niggers, communists and other subhuman degenerates that we really need the police to kill more of.

>>69039167
Most corpos simply want you to be a cog in the machine, and only do what they want you to do.
Any sort of initiative or ambition will be beaten out of you eventually.
Ultimately it's not a bad strategy when it comes to simple office work and such, but it's downright harmful to you and your company when it has to do with creative work such as streaming where self-expression should be encouraged (within boundaries of course).

>>69042820

they're already guilty of harassment so them trying this shit on the /vt/ board is actually hilarious in how hard it is going to backfire on them.

now the whole world knows they're willing to shill on 4chan to twist some final knife of bullying in, even as the court case burns towards them.

>>69035253
fippybippy

>>69035232
>Legal document
I don't think enough people understand shit put in a legal document is confidential and ONLY for the participating parties to view, this includes the client, lawyers, and whoever else is involved in this
Leaking such a thing is a breach of confidentiality which could mean having the entire case dismissed and the person who broke the contract to be fined or jailed
That retard stream between vox elira and ike should've never fucking happened, the personal details in the legal document AREN'T A FUCKING DOX IT'S STANDARD LEGAL PROCEDURE TO GET THE INFORMATION OF ALL PARTIES INVOLVED YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDS

>>69035253
FPBP

>>69035232
It literally does not matter if Doki did any of that. Nijisanji publically harassed a mentally ill girl and completely outed themselves as a black company. I don't care how difficult Doki may or may not be, FUCK Nijisanji.

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69037163
Because she's not a retard sperging out the second shit hit the fan like Niji, she's either making the right decision and waiting for court, or at worst waiting to see how many times Niji fucks up their PR while she builds a more solid argument.

imagine if you think you're being mistreated by your company, are you going to ask someone clearly experiencing preferential treatment if he can incriminate himself in your complaint to HR?

>>69042094
I get the comparison you're trying to make, but it falls flat.
NijiEN's actions were way more malicious and spiteful than what Will was doing, every step of the way they dig deeper and deeper into soggy soil to try to throw it at Selen, just to be covered covered in mud, while selen sits in her house trying to ignore it.

Selen only found out about her termination after it was tweeted, Elira's video was scheduled to directly disrupt her return to regular work, and I shouldn't even need to mention the original 3 page release.

Selen IS objectively in the wrong over the last coffee stuff (upload it without perms is whatever, her tweet after is actually egregious) but there is reasonable evidence to show she did try to leave as amiacably as possible in the circumstances.
NijiEN made the worst possible choices every step of the way, actively implicating more and more specific people when Selen left it vague

>>69035232
The only 2 things that makes me doubt Doki is how Kuro and the cockroach are distancing themselves from her and the fact that Selen is really scary in those Among Us collabs.

>>69042094
As far as I can see, not many people are upset about her termination necessarily. Most are angry at about how Nijisanji went about it.

>>69043979
Kuro was obviously closer to Vox than Selen. It makes sense that he would support his actual friend and the timings match up between Kuro unfollowing her and when Vox probably found out about the recordings.

>>69035232
Even if that was all true she would still come out as the better person. She has actual hospital records on her side for the attempt so best case scenario is you have one person who was shit to the company vs. other people making light of a suicidal person. You can justify the firing, but not the petty attempts at harassing her during the aftermath.

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit? What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more), actually did record vox, and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?
She literally did all that. Except the last part since doxxing is posting information publicly whereas a legal document shared between 2 groups of lawyers isn't public disclosure.

>>69043902
>while selen sits in her house trying to ignore it.
Selen isn't spotless either. The problem is that NijiEN is run by bottom feeder man children that dug so deep Selen's indiscretions couldn't even possibly hope to compare. If they were competent and really that offended by skirting perms rules a bit/the recording, they would had just arranged a graduation like Pomu's and never talked about her again. Their desire to get the last word in and make others look bad ended them.

>>69044537
Thanks for re-iterating what I just said!!!

>>69036620
She never "mentioned" ANYTHING about the case until the super geniuses at Nijisanji BROUGHT IT UP THEMSELVES in their notice, you idiot.

Some random people on the internet prior to that speculated she had been harassed. The problem you - and Nijisanji - have is that you don't seem intelligent enough to seperate things Selen herself is saying from things random people on the internet are saying.

At least part of the reason Nijisanji is in so much trouble is because they clearly attribute every single thing being said about them right now directly to her, when she has in fact behaved quite well and kept quiet for the most part until Nijisanji spoke up first. You - and Nijisanji - should maybe stop making shit up and then screeching about things she never actually said.

>>69035253
The malding is incredible. And the tribesmen ooking "fpbp fpbp" only make it more delicious how brainwashed all of you are.

>>69039167
One thing that makes it probable to me is how she moved to dokibird and she continues to build that channel now. People in those corpos talk behind the scenes and I am sure all the other corporations already know that Selen isn't innocent at all and she would likely create the same problem anywhere else she went. That is why she wasn't scooped by anyone and instead continues as indie.

>>69044760
I know it seems like a lot of money because it's your first job, but 3 days a week of minimum wage just isn't worth embarrassing yourself like this

>>69035357
Yes, and George Floyd fucking won, what is your point?

>>69044985
It is not embarrassing when cultists think it is embarrassing.

>>69044760
Baby needs a diaper change uwu

>>69044952
I'm doubtful of that. I just assumed that Doki didn't ever want to deal with corporate hell ever again after being burned so badly. Doki became active again, I think it was the 12th of December on Twitter, not entirely sure, but it was around 2 weeks before Christmas. Selen was already planning on going back to Doki well before the MV even dropped so it's unlikely she was planning to join a corpo.

>>69043979
On the flipside they all quit amongst others and they've all had the same issues/complaints. Then there's the developing Scarle situation which absolutely no-one sees as having a good end. That's really what's fucking Niji over just as much. You add in some of the NijiJP shitshows in the past + NijiEN shitshows in the last 12months and it's so easy to know something is very fucked behind the scenes.
It's more understandable that people are keeping their distance because shit is hitting the fan and no-one wants to be hit with the collateral spray

>>69035232
What if I cum on your face?
>>69035253
HOLY BASED

>>69044952
Or maybe she's thinking "damn corpos suck and made me attempt an hero" so she's trying indie before she sells her soul to another corp?

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit? What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more), actually did record vox, and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?
Yes? I believe they're all true and literally none of them paints her as the bad person in this.
>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit
I do wonder. The idea of leaking confidential information like they did sounds so absurd to me to be legal but I know jackshit about law so maybe?

>>69039167
Probably the most reasonable take on the shituation.

Every story has two sides. But this is clearly a Niji problem first and a talent problem second. Talents shouldn't have to do uphill DBZ battles against their own managers to do their own fucking jobs that they signed a contract to fucking do and earn the company money. Hope the shareholders pay a visit to Tazumi and "thoroughly" explain to him that maybe he should postpone that new yacht purchase by a week and maybe use the money instead to hire a single extra fucking manager for the entire fucking EN branch.

>>69045302
>before she sells her soul to another corp?
See if anyone takes her after this. If they don't you have the best proof that despite how well she hypnotized her janny mob people know better that she is a tard that isn't worth the risk.

>>69035232
literally every talent has publicly broken those guidelines tons of times
that's the biggest issue, it's only a problem when you're not vox
And yes, she did dox them.
In a fucking HR complaint.
The issue is these are all reasonable things to do.

>>69045307
If there was actually an agreement between both parties to keep the information confidential like she claims, then leaking that information to the talents is absolutely illegal.

>>69045302
She opened up merch preorders before the supposed attempt and before the song got privated, dokibird smells suspicious here.

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit?
then that's based of her
>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit because they're involved in it
then I hope they lose everything anyway

>>69045423
>She opened up merch preorders before the supposed attempt
You are literally lying at this point, that was embarrassing

>>69045390
I just feel like there would be people at niji responsible of greenlighting Elira's stream or the info leak who actually know what is and isn't illegal.
Only time will tell now.

>>69042868
if you genuinely cared about shaver you would have protested just like they did but you don't, it's just a convenient excuse for you to suck pig dick

>>69045423
She noticed her old fanbase was still around on a discord server in november.

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69035232
>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more)
Then NijisanjiEN is entirely on their right to terminate her contract on the spot, but not allowing her to stream for weeks (her direct and only source of income), keeping her from making public statements, and not saying anything to her or the fans about what the fuck is going on is just a vindictive method to punish her before firing her, as if she were a child. It's not only abusive from AnyColor's part, is entirely unproffesional.

>actually did record vox
Not inherently morally questionable or illegal. This is allowed in one-party-consent countries like Canada. You are entirely on your right to record conversations you're involved in.
This is how whistleblowers and investigations work, and something entirely reasonable for someone who has been through emotional manipulation to do in order to ensure they don't second guess themselves if someone tries to gaslight them about the past.
>and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document
"almost doxxed" is not an argument. Is doxxed or not doxxed.
It's a confidential l;egal document passed between lawyers of one party to another. It's perfectly natural for the names of both parties to be in the document, and for this document to be handled with care. Doki/Selen didn't reveal the existence of this document nor its contents to the public on her own. NijiEN did, and Doki merely presented her side of the story on how and why that document existed, and didn't dox anyone.

>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit
Then they are on the right to see it and talk about it, but doing a stream and then publicly ousting themselves as the people mentioned on that document is the stupidest thing they could've done, and shows how hypocritical NijiEN is about their favoritism of their talents and who they allow and give a pass to those who break NDAs, because even if NijiEN talents are legally allowed to talk on stream about the contents of the document, they are still breaking their own NDAs doing so and AnyColor would be perfectly on their right to fire them on the spot. They fact they don't shows they're using the talents as they own PR team in order to smear Doki, just like you're doing right now.

>>69035357
What exactly is the point you're trying to make? That guy is literally considered a religious figure now.

>>69045525
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1738433076479525110
Now apologise you dumb faggot.

>>69044952
Corps only give you a platform and assets if you're starting out.
There's straight up nothing for her to gain from joining a corp when she already has an established fanbase and can rake in tons of merch sales without ridiculous cuts for the corp.

Just droping sisters cope for child predator Cucks Okuma

>>69035232
What if riku loved sucking dick and you didn't know about it? I have the receipts.

>>69045741
>She opened up merch orders
No, she didn't. She intended to, but it never happened until this week. You are literally lying.

>>69045776
Why didn't she quit a year back? Why don't all of them quit when they get a following loyal enough that will follow them to an indie channel?

>>69044952
what rubs me the wrong way is how casual she talks about killing herself.

>>69045375
>isn't worth the risk.
The risk of her doing her job as an entertainer? Oh, the fiend! The monster! All this shit happened only because she was buried in a fucking mountain of red tape and couldn't even release a single last farewell gift to her fans after working a full fucking year on it. Nijijannies are ether incompetent or malicious, or a lovely mix of both.

>>69045795
Sure he was drugged. These femcels are their excuses.

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit
zzzz
>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more)
she probably wouldn't have been the only one
>actually did record vox
who gives a fuck? it's legal and the intelligent thing to do
>actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?
it's a legal document it's not supposed to be shared?
>entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit
it's not
>niji consulted a bunch of lawyers in whether they're allowed to see it
those lawyers should probably be disbarred because that's wrong advice

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit?
Literally who cares? Any Color is still a peace of shit company.

>>69045861
>Why didn't she quit a year back?
She didn't realize people would follow her to her new (old) identity as hard as they are doing, and they probably wouldn't without the chain of events since Zaion.
Next question?

>>69045880
you can't put the genie back in the bottle, pretending it didn't happen gets no one anywhere

>>69045834
Oh of course she only ANNOUNCED she was going to do it before apparently trying to kill herself and getting fired because her song got privated a couple of days later. You really fell for this shit?

>>69045894
The risk of her throwing a hissy fit, exaggerating some stuff and innocently lying about other stuff and exiting your company to gather an angry janny mob.

>>69035253
Fpbp based

>>69045861
Why haven't you already quit your current job when you could most probably find a new one with better pay?

>>69045741
NTA but the rrat that Doki is both a malicious genius who masterminded this entire situation including knowing that Nijisanji would hack off their own legs in the most bizarre PR strategy ever but would somehow not see the glaring contradiction of faking a suicide attempt for clout whilst you try to set up your income on your PL, rather than the simple idea that she's mentally ill and finally had a mental snap over management fucking with her one last time

is retarded

>>69045906
dEbUNCKEDD

>>69041900
>if you do make any serious attempt at suicide you are not out in 2-3 weeks
It's Canada anon, they probably tried pushing her into assisted suicide and kicked her out the second she actually wanted to live kek

>>69035232
What if?

>>69045880
As someone who as tried to kill themselves and still self harms to this day, you get pretty numb to the idea and it gets normalised in your head. It's also a coping mechanism, it's why lots of depressed people make jokes about killing themselves.

>>69045951
>She didn't realize people would follow her to her new (old) identity as hard as they are doing
You faggots probably think she is a virgin.
>>69046014
My job is cushy and I don't have to do much. I am the polar opposite of Selen now.

>>69045880
The suicide thing is BPD behavior. Selen is kind of nuts, even if she was right this time.

>>69035232
https://youtu.be/8zAa06gqtr4?si=5QZun7TQw7ezOyo1

>>69045880
As someone who has been suicidal in the past, talking or joking about suicide wouldn't bother me even slightly. It's people who lost a family member or friend to suicide who get really sensitive about it.

>>69046157
oh selen is absolutely not in the right about everything.
The issue is everything Niggersanji is doing is WAY WAY past that.

>>69045998
So she's an incompetent, crosseyed, drooling, BPD menhera retard that could even "fill out the correct form" and "ask for perms" despite working there for years and knowing how everything works inside and out; and at the same time she's a machiavellian mastermind that weaved this web of lies to manipulate everyone into destroying niji and giving her an upper hand in her indie self? Ok. Cool.

Wait what if Elira is actually just management herself

We already know that the EN management doesn't speak English, so she's the bilingual middleman. Everything that NijiEN management has done makes zero sense from the perspective of even a cartoonishly evil black company but what if NijiJP just let talents manage other talents because they're cheap as shit
That's why they keep acting like a petty bitch teenage girl group, because they actually are that

>>69041900
>it would be a year or more

Wtf kind of injury are you sustaining that required a year or more in hospital? Even people who try to hang themselves are usually out in a few days after it's clear they're not going to try and hang themselves again.

Unless you tried to jump off a high place and received injuries so severe you needed to be in a coma, dozens of surgeries and relearning things like how to walk and move your hands, I can't imagine any sort of suicide attempt doing any damage more than what would require at max a month in hospital.

>>69035253

>>69046243
and that's exactly the reason why friends or family should freak out about it

>>69035232
Doxing in a legal document is such a bizarre idea to me. There may be perfectly valid reasons to use real names in a legal document. And legal documents are almost always kept entirely private.

Doxing necessarily means disclosing identity based data on the internet for the purpose of harassment, and that literally didn't happen

>>69046105
i hear ya. but going from an hero to stream with half a million subs and shitting on your ex in two month seems a bit quick. but everyone is different so what do i know.

>>69046622
>shitting on your ex
the ex is shitting on themself, she's just trying to stream and handle that shit in the background

>>69046399
Maybe they are. Why would that stop her, she's a menhera after all.

>>69046379
>Wtf kind of injury are you sustaining that required a year or more in hospital
i stepped on a lego.

>Even people who try to hang themselves are usually out in a few days after it's clear they're not going to try and hang themselves again
noway. no doctor will take any chances if they think there is the slightes chance you off youself. if you already tried you gotta be real convincing. i dont buy it.

Imagine submitting a document to the courts and it's all anime names lmao

>>69046744
what argument are you even trying to make? the point was that anon is saying i make suicide jokes all the time it don't bother me, even though i'm suicidal. the response is literally "yeah that's why they're freaked out" because joking about suicide and being unbothered is literally a symptom of being suicidal

>>69045019
George lost and is in Hell burning in whichever ring you end up in for suicide (as he overdosed and killed himself) and Chauvin is a hero who already earned his golden wings.
Public opinion is, as always, irrelevant and Selen brough this on herself. Nobody itt ever watched her anyway.

>>69043902
It doesn't fall flat because I was comparing the scene, not the episode. Will was more or less clean in that matter, wherein I think Niji treated Selen like shit. I just meant the actual scene in isolation. As for the other, somewhat unrelated thing that pertains to what I wrote:
>Selen only found out about her termination after it was tweeted
Doesn't matter. She was told she would be fired if she did what she did beforehand, and she still did it. Twitter or discord, makes no difference.
>she did try to leave as amiacably as possible in the circumstances.
I mean yeah, she left. The only reason why things escalated further was her tweets after the fact, which is within her rights, but it's still her that made them.
>NijiEN made the worst possible choices every step of the way
Yep. They're retards, they've always been retards, but the casus belli for this shitshow wasn't really that legitimate.
>>69044107
What do you mean how they went about it. The twitter post? I don't think I see that as being the main point of contention. From where I stand, the biggest thing people were up in arms about are:
>she was allegedly bullied to a suicide attempt
>they fucked her and her community over with the MV and then fired her for 'doing the right thing' by telling her fans it was management's fault
The first of which is likely but unproven, the second being her lying by omission for something that was otherwise reasonable.

>>69046622
Suicides are usually either very slow burns, meticulously planned, affairs in order, bills paid, notes written, etc. When those people fail, which is rare, they can go back to life pretty normally because life is just what it was before since you're so used to accepting you're going to ide.

Or they are extremely spur of the moment and done in crisis usually during a mental health episode which it appears is what happened to Selen. In this case, it's also pretty normal for things to go back to usual because once the feel of emergency and crisis has passed, everything is just the way it was.

>>69043018
There is no court case coming.

>>69047061
If there wasn't before, there almost certainly will be after this week

>>69043902
>Selen IS objectively in the wrong over the last coffee stuff
wrong. the excuse was

"hey we haven't given ourselves permission for using our own ip in our own video". Niji was just trying to start shit because she pressed publish too early. if you've seen the video, everything in it was niji's own ip. also lilypichu tweeted way before selen even had the idea that people were free to use the music as they please.

>>69045620
Nobody cared about him or Floyd, retard.

>>69047141
it'll probably be settled before it goes to any court

>>69047061
There will be one this week if they keep doing what they are doing now

>>69046890
>noway. no doctor will take any chances if they think there is the slightes chance you off youself. if you already tried you gotta be real convincing. i dont buy it.

I feel you're now talking out of your ass. I'm someone with suicide experience. Unless a doctor can prove without a shadow of a doubt you're going to try and kill yourself again, as in, they ask you "Are you going to try and kill yourself again" and you answer "I'm immediately running into traffic once I leave this hospital" then absolutely they will hold you because they have a duty of care. Or if they are suspect that you are mentally unfit to make a decision AKA you have severe schizophrenia, then they will also absolutely hold you.

But if a doctor has no reason to suspect you will try again, they have to release you otherwise that is literally illegal detention. If you are acting normal, telling the doctor you don't feel the need to try again, etc, they cannot legally hold you there because they have no reason to think so. In addition, most hospitals want you to get the fuck out as quickly as possible especially if you're just a mental patient so they can free the bed up for someone who is actually physically dying.

>>69045700
It’s immoral and kike behavior whether (immoral actors like) Canada allow it or not.

>>69047248
That's a possibility. I can see Niji wanting to settle after their their colossal fuck up of a stunt.

>>69047186
Regardless of how dumb it is, she didn't have approval to release the video from management. Which is a disciplinable offense.

>>69047291
Nope.

>>69047338
>Which is a disciplinable offense
oh ok so i see you have a copy of niji's code of conduct

oh you don't? ok then rrat

>>69047431
Oh yeah, keep smearing her then. Another official statement, maybe

>>69035232
>>69045935
>>69045700
>>69045343
>>69044952

Why do you niggers even have this conversation when fucking Luca of all people offloaded most of his Liver duties to his groupie and none of you sluts batted an eye. Shouldn't we terminate him first before talking about Dokis rulebreaking? His was obviously more severe.


Your bumbling attempts at damage control disgust me and I wish you nothing but a honest change of heart for the better, or, if that's not possible, enough pain to cause you to remove yourself from any situation. And unlike Doki, succeed at it.

>>69047338
That's literally the only thing nijishills latch on to. "Um achshully it says here in section13562 paragraph3463 line3637 that blabla".
That's not why people are shitting on niji. Yes, Selen was the one that 'technically' broke the rules. No one disputes that. The issue is the literal mountains of the shit that surrounds this one pivotal event.

>>69047637
Is this thread about Luca?

>>69047308
i too have expierience. and they would not let me go and im no shizo or anything. they just did not belive me and pointed to the fact that i already had almost died. might be difference in healthcare. im from eu, where are you at?

>>69047443
Have you ever been employed? If you want to do something you don't have approval for, you can't just do it, especially when you already asked and have been rejected.
Again, this is minor. The follow-up tweet was the bigger issue for cover

>>69047666
Read more than one post deep you fucking retard

>>69047248
Both parties have to agree to a settlement, if Doki had enough proof that Niji would want to settle, then she would almost certainly have enough of a case to win in court. At that point it would come down to if she actually wants to take Niji down or if she's just in it for the money.

>>69047675
No, it's about hypocrites doing amateurish damage control.
Please proceed to ponder the following >>69035253

how can a confidential legal document doxx you? other than the person themselves disclosing its contents, like elira did, of course.

>>69047693
I'm Australian.

What your doctors did, unless they had very good reason, was illegal if they held you for a year or more. 48-72 hours is usually what is considered the crisis window where someone who has attempted suicide is at very high risk of attempting again. Passed this window and if there's no other evidence presenting, the doctor should discharge the person.

>>69047761
NDF are retarded, just like their whore Elira

Elira is nijiEN's manager and is self-representating.
Let that sink in.

>>69035357
Selen was on fent?

>>69035232
What if you didn't cope this much?

>>69047740
Damage control of what? I support Doki.

>>69047731
>Have you ever been employed? If you want to do something you don't have approval for, you can't just do it, especially when you already asked and have been rejected.

Ok then show me where it says she needed approval and that if she didn't get it that it's a "vIoLATIon"

I'll wait

>>69035253
Fpbp

>>69047335
Kek. Niji's going to try to accelerate their way out of this.

>>69047807
If the talents are also managers then I can't imagine the biblical shitshow that will follow after people discover it.

>>69047783
i dont know about aussie law but here doctors can be held responsible if anything happens after they let you go.

>>69042094
>From everything we've seen her termination was probably justified
Niji didn't have a single justifiable termination. All of them could've been graduations.

>>69047018
>>she was allegedly bullied to a suicide attempt
And Niji claimed they did nothing wrong.

>>they fucked her and her community over with the MV and then fired her for 'doing the right thing' by telling her fans it was management's fault
No, not really. If Selen broke whatever gay rules they have, as long as the rules are legal and fair, then Niji is ultimately fine. You can be angry at Niji for having gay rules, but it's a non-argument to claim that Selen couldn't be fired for breaking them. What the issue is, is whether or not Niji was actually applying the rules fairly because if they haven't, then that is grounds for harassment. Now given their behaviour against Selen, it's clear that she is obviously getting some negative special treatment.

So vox is shitting himself because he probably said something that can get him jailed in Bongland, right? Don't they have insane laws about hatespeech and-or "bullying" over there?

>>69048144
>No, not really. If Selen broke whatever gay rules they have, as long as the rules are legal and fair, then Niji is ultimately fine. You can be angry at Niji for having gay rules, but it's a non-argument to claim that Selen couldn't be fired for breaking them. What the issue is, is whether or not Niji was actually applying the rules fairly because if they haven't, then that is grounds for harassment. Now given their behaviour against Selen, it's clear that she is obviously getting some negative special treatment.

Did you try sniffing Riku's ass every time he bowed in his apology video or do you just have your head so far up his ass already?

>>69047842
I think it's jap company autism. Specifically black company shit. They deliberately keep things vague so they have ammo against you when the need to. Those needs range from a genuine violation of contract/rules, to looking at a manajannie funny when he/she had a bad day. You won't find justice or sanity there.

>>69047323
lmao at a corpo cocksucker accusing ANYONE of kike behavior

>>69048012
So, what, they just hold you for the rest of your life just in case you off yourself again? At what arbitrary point is it ok for them to let you go? They could hold you for 10 years and you could still off yourself the next day. That's fucking retarded if true.

>>69047842
You're arguing that retard on the dumbest point possible. Yes Selen technically broke a rule, they talk about it in Elira's dumb video and it's likely the only truthful part of the entire video.
The real issue is that the rules in niji are selectively enforced to the point you more or less can't even be allowed to breathe if management hates you. And management being in bed with the talents (or worse, management being Elira) exacerbates the problem.

>>69035232
>What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more)
If she did then she wouldn't have been the first one to do so. Some get punished for the most minor infraction and some walk away scot free no matter what they do. All this would really show is that there's some blatant favoritism going on in NijiEN, which we've known for a long time now.
>actually did record vox
Entirely legal for her to do so and if she did then I'm sure she had a good reason for it. As far as we know she only recorded Vox so however he was behaving or whatever he was saying she felt the need to record him to have evidence of what he was saying. Smart thing to do really.
>and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?
This is the most retarded point. It's not doxxing for writing down their real names on a confidential legal document. This is the most asinine accusation of "doxxing" I've ever seen on here. What the fuck else are they supposed to write down on the document? Elira Pandora, Millie Parfait and Enna Alouette and wherever they're from in their kayfabe? It doesn't work that way.

>>69048012
That's retarded, a doctor would just refuse to let anybody leave then because 30 years later that person might kill themselves and the family can sue the doctor.

Doctor's have a reasonable duty of care, key word being reasonable, and there is a lot of criteria that goes into determining what is reasonable and that criteria is part of their protocols. Hence why they actually ask you how you're feeling, give you medications and set you up with mental health care professionals rather than just throwing you in a padded room to never see sunlight ever again. If after a few days you present no symptoms of being suicidal or a harm to yourself, the doctor has completed their reasonable duty of care and are legally obligated to allow you to leave.

>>69048144
>Reading comprehension
Anon, I already know all this.

>>69048211
Are you falseflagging or just actually retarded?

>>69048248
>>69048223
You keep saying breaking rule like it's actually a rule, yet you can't show me the rule. I'll wait.

retards getting mad at selen recording vox will immediately side with her once the contents of the recording are revealed

>>69048417
BuT SHe BROKe the RULessssSSS

>>69048390
If you know this then you know that's what most people are upset about. Even here, the consensus is mainly
>Selen broke the rules and got fired. Pretty fucking gay but whatever. Publicly publishing a 3 page shit list on her whilst firing her at the same time? That's fucking cartoon levels of evil.

>>69048116
>Niji: "We will terminate your contract if she does this again"
>She does it again
>Contract terminated
>Anon: "Wtf where is the graduation?!?"

>>69048417
If Doki's lawyer is even semi-competent, then that recording will only ever see the light of day if it enters into evidence during a court case and subsequently becomes public domain. We will more than likely never hear any of her recordings.

>>69048535
Knowing the retard that is Vox he will spill the beans himself to try and get ahead of the crash, good or bad contents aside.

>>69048535
God I hope she sues, that would be kino

>>69048413
NTA but anon, do you think Nijisanji, as incompetent as they are, fired Selen for absolutely no reason and have now thrown themselves into the pit of 'unjust termination of employment'? Because terminating someone without reason, is unironically extremely illegal and even Niji knows this otherwise they would have never published their history of conflict with Selen to back up their decision to terminate her.

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69048413
Literally the only non black screen moment in Elira's video when she shows receipts with the particular rule broken (some autism about needing perms to show a liver from another branch. Ridiculous shit that obviously would only get enforced if management intended to tie you up with red tape).

>>69048535
I hope there's a live public hearing on Yt when this happens

>>69048413
That's explicitly the point you're missing. It's deliberately vague and open ended. Something like "it's up to the manager in question to determine whether a rule was broken, or the rule was there to begin with, or a new rule was made on the spot, or not" etc. You keep asking for a specific rule like you want justice. After Selen had rules changed on the spot, last minute in her artist competition. After all those collabs that were greenlighted, only to get rugpulled away at the last second. You won't find justice here.

This anon gets it>>69048609

>>69048483
>Do what, break a rule you invent after the fact?

>>69048476
>Publicly publishing a 3 page shit list on her whilst firing her at the same time?
Nobody fucking cares about this part I guarantee you, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not exactly in the mood to start coallating public opinion.

>>69048693
>Nobody fucking cares about this part I guarantee you
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1754459182412222481
That's why this Tweet has 11K comments, it's because no one cares.

>>69048680
>after the fact
Anon, even Selen hasn't disputed the fact that they've told her multiple times to stop the releasing projects behind management's back shit. Niji said they told her she was on her last life in regards to that, before the video and nobody has really called that into question.

>>69048667
Yeah not going to happen. If it ever goes to court it will be a closed court and all names will be redacted from the public record to protect the talents privacy.

>>69048116
>>69048116
within a reasonable time. i dont know the specifics. but if you die right after they will investigate and the doctor will be held responsible for lack of judgement if they find he fucked up. he will not lose his license but will be suspendet until investigation has finished.

looks like i missjudged the situation. i thought it was like this in most western countrys.

>>69048609
Then again, rrats may be true in the theory that some liver have authority in terminating someone, given how unprofessional the management have terminated her contract.
Heck, the way they did damage control clearly shows their degree of the knowhows in the legality of things.

NDF sea creature hours on full display

>>69048693
nta, I do. And I cared when they did the same to Zaion. In both cases they tried to throw shit at them beyond what was necessary just to make sure the company and the responsible manager gets unpunished.

>>69048693
>Nobody fucking cares about this part I guarantee you
You can't be serious

>>69048786
Yes, nobody cares about the '3 WHOLE PAGES' part as opposed to the actual termination itself and Doki's response to it.

>>69035232
None of this should have happened. Regardless of what happened between Selen/Doki and the company, it should have been left as a dispute between them and NOT PUBLICLY DISCLOSED.

Niji fucked up by being petty with the termination notice. They deserve all the fallout that they receive, regardless of what is true or not.

You open Pandora's box, you deal with the fallout.

>>69049015
Anon, pretty much everybody has been saying, if Niji had just put their foot in their fucking mouth, nearly none of this would have happened because it's primarily this termination and the sheer level of malice and unprofessional shown that this entire shitshow has occured.

I don't know what you've been reading these past few days but it hasn't been from here or twitter.

>>69035232
>What if
Kys troon

>>69048832
I know, it will be kino if it happens lol

>>69048116
>Niji didn't have a single justifiable termination. All of them could've been graduations.
Eh, termination is kind of fair, if they wanted them gone fast. The real issue the terminations being character assassinations.
Honestly, regardless of what someone might think of Zaion, it was entirely Nijisanjis decision to terminate her and doing so could have been done in a way that was accepted by the community, but they chose to attack her.

Imagine if the Zaion termination notice had said something like
>After repeated instances of Zaion disregarding internal systems put in place to avoid legal issue, we spoke at length about what it means to work in a company with her. And while Zaion is a great talents, her inability to adhere to company policy created too many internal issues. Of this reason, we have decided to terminate our contract.
We wish her the best in her future endeavors and regret the situation could not have been solved in more positive way for both parties.
This would honestly maybe probably be understandable for most people

Reading Selen defense squad posts is a bit scary. You can clearly see the cult mentality and how rabid most of them are.

>>69035253
FPBP

>>69049234
Double-check your yacht engine.

>>69049234
lol, lmao

New Doki post
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757763627413631383?t=dcKnN7eu6zvpkl8FNb6Ibg&s=19

>>69035253
FPBP
/thread

>>69049234
And I can clearly see you avoiding making a proper argument. You have one, right?

>>69035253
fpbp

>>69049223
This. It's the character assassinations that are the problem. They do their damndest to try to turn everyone against them in the hopes that they'll have no future in vtubing ever again.

>>69049059
>it should have been left as a dispute between them and NOT PUBLICLY DISCLOSED
So Selen shouldn't have made the 'it was management' tweet, is what you're saying, because that was the first link in the 'PUBLICLY DISCLOSED' chain.
>>69049095
>nearly none of this would have happened because it's primarily this termination
Yes
>sheer level of malice and unprofessional shown
Eh. The shit niji did after their and doki's tweet, sure, but not so much the contents of tweet itself. The exact same thing would have happened with the exact same community outcry had they just made the tweet without the 3 pages and Doki had made the same response.

>>69049234
Elira stop running away to japan

a wise man sees himself in all things

>>69049234
This but NDF.

>>69049383
>no recordings
>no public receipts
>pls be nice to everyone

Black company gets away with it AGAIN

>>69049234
It's called having common sense

>>69049383
>actually listened to her lawyer on how to respond
Smart girl.

>>69035232
>What if selen actually did that shit? What if she actually did break their policy guidelines twice(or more), actually did record vox, and actually almost doxxed a bunch of their talents in a legal document?

>What if it's actually entirely legal for ewiwa and friends to talk about the lawsuit because they're involved in it and niji consulted a bunch of lawyers in whether they're allowed to see it?

Shut the fuck up Millie

>>69049531
>So Selen shouldn't have made the 'it was management' tweet, is what you're saying, because that was the first link in the 'PUBLICLY DISCLOSED' chain

You're splitting hairs here for the sake of being contrary. While it wasn't the brightest thing on her part, at that time the public still wasn't aware of what was happening behind the scenes. From this point forward, it should have remained as a dispute between her and managment.

Yes, she may have made the first move with that tweet, but ultimately their public response (termination notice) is the direct cause of this shitshow.

>>69049383
>can't just leave it alone and stream
Yep, mental.

>>69049761
it sounds like millie is pretty bad guy but man the model is just so adorable especially when smug posting - it was a mistake for the enna bro to use enna instead for the selen shit posting

>>69049383
Not a single attempt but twice. Niji is so fucked up

>>69050022
I'm not splitting hairs, you're engaging in special pleading.
>at that time the public still wasn't aware of what was happening behind the scenes
Every single response from either side has dragged more and more about what happened behind the scenes into the public eye, including her first post.
You're biased and that's fine, but come on man.

>>69049531
>. The exact same thing would have happened with the exact same community outcry had they just made the tweet without the 3 pages and Doki had made the same response.

Absolutely not. People are upset over the malice and unprofessionalism. Doki would have never made the response because she would have had nothing to respond to.

>>69050336
>Doki would have never made the response because she would have had nothing to respond to.
This, so far what Doki's doing is just responding to the other party

>>69050216
Management had the opportunity to prevent this shitshow with their response to the "management privated the video" tweet. That appears to be the point where they started down the wrong track.

We can go back and forth ad infinitum about this, but ultimately the damage is done. Nothing your or I say is going to change anything about this.

Do people really not know that it's near impossible to fire or terminate contracts in Japan?

>>69050621
I find it funny that in major political cases, the statement to the press is usually 1 or 2 sentences. She releases paragraphs. Doesn't seem smart.

>>69050336
>People are upset over the malice and unprofessionalism
No, they're upset over the facts of the matter and actual allegations, professionally put forth or not. That's what every dramafag video or bait thread has about, including this one.
>she would have had nothing to respond to
Sure she would have: being terminated publicly "due to repeated breaches of contract and misleading statements on social platforms".
Her tweet didn't even directly try and refute anything in the document so much as actually say it with her own mouth. If she felt so aggrieved by the actual events that transpired then there's no reason to believe she wouldn't have wanted to set the record straight or spoken out just because they were a tiny bit nicer about it.

>>69035232
would any of it matter? the policies don't become any less retarded just because she broke them, in the situation where she did

>>69050101
The only saving grace Millie has is that she's a weak willed, double digit IQ bootlicker, not evil. If Enna tells her to stop sending money to her extremely abusive parents overseas, she'll do that. If Enna tells her to get nude and play in traffic, she'll do that. If Enna harasses and bullies someone and tells her to join in, she'll do that.

>>69050908
>Her tweet didn't even directly try and refute anything in the document
because the document already refutes itself

>>69050674
This post I don't disagree with, I just took issue with the framing when Selen was the one to cast the first stone publicly and was ACTUALLY the beginning of the public shitshow.

bunch of fags, if selen didnt try to an hero herself she wouldn't have much of a fighting chance.

>>69051323
>if that drunk driver didn't hit your leg you wouldn't sue him
>lmaooo fag

>>69051384
>selen tried to kill herself twice
>failed twice
yeah but people like you are just going to eat that up and give her pity points

>>69050908
>That's what every dramafag video or bait thread has about, including this one.
No almost every one of them is not about the specific details of Nijisanji's permission and authorisation process. Almost all of them are about how fucking ridiculous the behaviour of a billion dollar company has been in the public sphere.

>being terminated publicly "due to repeated breaches of contract and misleading statements on social platforms".
People would be upset but not outraged as they are now. You really think people are outraged over internal policy management and not 'Hey we just decided to air out every single wrong thing Selen ever did including things not actually related to her termination, by the way we haven't actually informed her we're firing her either.'

>Her tweet didn't even directly try and refute anything in the document so much as actually say it with her own mouth
No shit? She didn't need to refute anything. She just clarified that her hospitalisation was from a suicide attempt.

> she felt so aggrieved by the actual events that transpired then there's no reason to believe she wouldn't have wanted to set the record straight or spoken out just because they were a tiny bit nicer about it.
The reason being, SHE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING LEGAL CASE BECAUSE SHE FEELS AGGRIEVED AND SHE NEEDS TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHAT SHE SAYS IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE OTHERWISE IT COULD COMPLETELY FUCK HER CHANCES OF WINNING
I think you might actually be genuinely stupid because this whole issue is because Nijisanji decided to 'set the record straight' and rather than settle things privately, decided to utilise the court of public opinion to harass someone but it didn't work this time.

>>69051472
>your leg is broken and people sympathize with you instead of the drunk driver?
>yeah, but you're not dead and they are retards
>lmoao

>>69050674
What were they supposed to put out? Were they supposed to say "selen is fired, no reason given, lmao" and end up with arguably an even bigger shitstorm? Hypothetically, doki could've said "they fired me because I complained about them bullying me" and now niji has an even bigger shitstorm, or any sort of insane rrats could've come out as to why she was fired.

>>69051525
>People would be upset but not outraged as they are now. You really think people are outraged over internal policy management and not 'Hey we just decided to air out every single wrong thing Selen ever did including things not actually related to her termination, by the way we haven't actually informed her we're firing her either.'
further on that point, any color can't even legally terminate the contract in japan on this basis.

>>69051645
thats a terrible analogy dumbass, selen did shit on her own and paid for every project that she did then blames management for not paying for her. does things in secret then gets all sad and depressed when she gets discovered about it. oh no but she's forgiven now because she tried to kill herself and that somehow magically overshadows the crap she pulled. being mentally ill is not a proper excuse to have proper job etiquette.

>>69051648
>Were they supposed to say "selen is fired, no reason given, lmao" and end up with arguably an even bigger shitstorm?
How could a single sentence termination end in an even bigger shit storm? The only thing people do at that point is speculate and create rrats. But Nijisanji confirmed a bunch of shit that had been swirling around them for ages and people descended on them like wolves as soon as they got the chance.

> Hypothetically, doki could've said "they fired me because I complained about them bullying me" and now niji has an even bigger shitstorm, or any sort of insane rrats could've come out as to why she was fired.
No she couldn't have because that's defamation since that's not why she was fired.

>>69051945
the problem started before the termination, when they ghost tweeted she was in the hospital for sudoku and then made her disappear for a month