/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69014809
I dont think you get it, nijisanji made this cute happy person try to kill herself.

Nijisanji management needs to see jail time for this, and anyone who sells their soul and continues to work for such an evil organization deserves to lose everything. No sympathy for people who continue to work with literal satan.

I think they're all assholes, especially the ones still there.

>>69014809
People working with her have praised her to high heaven, though. People outside of Niji hellscape, I mean.

>>69014809
OP is a retarded faggot and think he is above us all
you arent special son, and even stupid

nice cope thread, nijitard

>>69015349
They're not with her 24/7 like the others, that's all

>>69014809
I'd be an asshole too if I had to put up with some high school mean girls clique robbing me of opportunities every day.

>>69015450
Keep coping. Are you with your co-workers 24/7?

>>69014809
Collabs take a bit. Filian also already confirmed she is planning a collab with doki

>>69015450
Let's not pretend like the people that she mostly just shares a discord with are with her 24/7 either.

>>69015450
how old are you retard, get a fucking job, especially one in the entertainment industry

>>69014809
So a terrible gaslighting menhera outplayed a multi-billion dollar company, and gave their non-existent team of crack lawyers and PR experts enough rope that they publicly hung themselves and ruined their reputation in less than a week?

Based.

>>69014809

When are you fuckers gonna turn on Scarle? It's always the same song and dance with you.

>>69015450
Your mom isnt your co-worker anon. You just live in his basement.

>vivi unfollowed
mmmm

>>69016176
I'd unfollow too after seeing what they're about to do to Scarle.

>>69014809
The idolEN girls are lining up to collab with her if it means anything.

>>69016176
Unfollowed on her PL or niji account?

>>69014809
>sure, she tried to sewer slide
>buuut... isn't she kind of mean, sisters?

>>69016253
Jews are good at smelling blood in the water.

>>69015450
>They're not with her 24/7
>like the others
wat. are you saying the others live with her?

>>69016176
unfollowed whom?

>>69014809
The Zaion-type deflection tactic?
Daring are we today NDF?

>>69016365
say suicide you fucking coward, no one is going to spam your dms telling you to kys.

>>69014809

She literally has a collab with notYugo this week (if Niji doesn't fuck over her streams again), so, fuck you?

>>69016121
>Your mom
>his basement
damn, his mom is a dude???

>>69015349
a theory is that management is spread so thin that they would just say they're still busy with X liver to other people waiting for approvals and this caused resentment and infighting between talents

just saying we all know who has the most projects that involved multiple ppl and branches and would use up management resources when AC was and still is under staffed

and seeing what they did to zaion, anyone smart should be keeping receipts like crazy

>>69014809
>No one post-Niji wants a single thing to do with her
>Collabs Thursday and Friday
>Friday collab is with NotYugo
Are you okay?

>>69016590
thats the joke i think
anyway OP's mom and dad are gay and their son is retarded

>>69016529
it's not a question of cowardice. sewer slide is funnier to say than suicide

>>69014809
>she's a terrible person or at least terrible to work with
ah yes she's worse than a manager that takes 37 WHOLE HOURS to reply for 3 seconds of screentime on a 3 minute video

>>69014809
I think Nijisanji sucks because I hate their accelerationism model where they're racing to see who can oversaturate the market faster, but on the other hand Doki is a woman with BPD and she could totally be overreacting on the vaguely discussed stuff, like what constitutes bullying/harassment.

Funny how when that company's reputation hit the lowest, nijitards like this appear and cope at their hardest

>>69016888
Nah, it's cowardice. It's absolutely bizarre that even in 4chan you faggots go for euphenisms and soft language.

>>69017073
nothing short of beating one of her coworkers unconscious could have justified le elira hosted script reading response video

>>69014809
Turns out she was too busy doing daily 8hours long streams instead of socializing on twitter and saying zoomer garbage for clout like everyone else in NijiEN does
Maybe you should have taken notes on that, Elira/Enna/Millie or who the fuck else you must be

>>69014809
>pain to work with
>every person she's ever comissioned only has great things to say about her
>companies support her and are keeping their support even after she went indie

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>69017272
why tf you care if he uses "suicide" or not

>>69017073
ogey retard, you speak like those niji investors, we aint care shit about their stock and business model, they hurt people, they hurt a good vtuber

>>69017272
You seem mad sweaty. Are you ok? Were you triggered by the online people again?

>>69014809
Proven false by all the artists and companies that dropped Niji to go to her instead, lmao

>>69017621
You don't fucking belong here, go back to plebbit

NDF is fucking desperate huh

>>69014809
>Everyone she worked with has only good things to say about her
>The only people that have a problem are Niji
So by your own logic Niji is the bad guy. Good job anon, you figured it out! Even using absolute retard logic like yours Niji still looks like the bad guy! Amazing.

>>69017621
>You seem mad sweaty.
Yeah, I was sweating earlier. Your point?

>>69017404
i fucking hope we again catch another niji employee fighting for their reputation here, it happened once and it is fucking funny

>>69014809
Niji cope

>>69014809
#WhereIsScarle?

>>69017870
Where's Matara / Kuro / Pomu support then? They've actually worked with her before.

OK Elira.

>>69018031
They were all part of the bullying. Deepest lore.

>>69014809
According to many artists and people who worked with her behind managements back, she is really nice and good person. If company didn't pay them for job she did for Selen, she would pay from her own pocket. Please tell me who is bad here?

>>69014809
Scarle deflection thread

>>69014809
Cry harder Corpo shill.

>>69014809
here bro, im sure you'll love this take

https://litter.catbox.moe/tjtgec.mp4

>>69018031
POMU AND KUROLITERALLY EX NIJI MEMBERS, how stupid are you? you are a mad monkey, riku strongest yatch keeper

>>69014809
>be in a building
>know it's a massive fire hazard
>get the hell out
>as you walk away someone inside the building lights the place on fire before jumping out an open window
>building is now on fire
>the one responsible is sprawled out on the lawn laughing with a grin a mile wide waving lawsuit papers as the fires intensify
>rubberneckers come to gawk and and point fingers
You could
>join the crazy girl and watch the building burn, possibly getting burnt in the process
or
>go home and let it be someone else's problem
I'd go the fuck home too.
>but she's right
She could be queen of the universe and I'd still take my ass home, nobody is worth getting set on fire for.

>>69014809
>No one post-Niji wants a single thing to do with her

right yeah, and that collab with u-san totally does not exist at all either too right?

>>69014809
your bait needs to be better than this brown zhangs

>>69015071
I hope Elira also attempts suicide. Maybe she'll get some simps on her side that way

Funny how people are only considered terrible when they go against the company. Before this it was always about how hard working and professional she was and how she was always facilitating big events.

But now we're to believe she's the worst person on the planet? All because some private legal documents used real names instead of anime names? Lol

>>69014809
Vox, Elira, Ike, please rest and know that we are behind you! Take it easy!

>>69018031
Pomu isn't set up with a new model yet. But both she and Kuro have commented on it and the implication is they side with Doki.

Also, she's Mumei's friend. Would you doubt Mumei?

>>69014809
The way this runs out, if Selen is actually a shit person no one would really like, she must be a Machiavelli mastermind like nothing seen before. 10,000 IQ, 300 layer deep master plan to get an entire branch into position to hop willingly into the noose.

Or, she's a slightly above average streamer, who is a chronic overworker and gets really restless when things are not moving at her pace and makes rash decisions because of that.

One or the other.

>>69018821
I do think she's probably smarter than most of nijisanji. But that's a low bar

reminder the intern is not enjoying its lunch today, unlike yesterday
THEY SENT HIM TO THE PARIAH CAGE LMAO
Pls posts more threads, cuckGOD

>>69018722
Lmao you GOTTEM bro
yes we are behind you, better start running Elira

>>69018757
Kuro unfollowed Doki

>>69014809
Yea thats why I'm not taking a side, I'm just enjoying the chaos.

>>69016636
>management is spread so thin
It seems like management's only job is to act as a liaison between the talents and whatever entity does approvals and perms because they sure as shit don't seem to do any of that themselves.

>>69018821
I'd say the former, given her chink background and tendency to do suspicious things like recording people

>>69015450
>being with Nijisanji 24/7
This is why she attempted suicide, niji fan and livers are literal fucking cancer

so tired of this "i'm a victim uwu, let's stop talking about it" shit when she's clearly milking it for drama. How the fuck do documents which reference her former co-livers personal info "leak" to them when it wasn't intended? the bitch is the real bully and obviously sent it to intimidate those still with the company.

>>69018757
>Would you doubt Mumei?
hmmm...

>>69018988
retard, there are no "sides", this is an ex-employee fighting against harassment after they quit their job, outside the vtuber industry, the good and bad is clear

>>69019060
hah, good job, you bring her ethnic background in despite it literally mea nothing, this isnt like the Coco incident faggot

>>69019060
Based, I hope she’s revealed as a 200 IQ mastermind

>>69019150
Rise up my fellow white knights!

>>69018983
>Kuro unfollowed Doki

He never was though, lmao.

>>69019231
She won't have sex with you, simp

>>69014809
I don't think she's a bad person.

She's Mumei's friend after all, and Mumei is probably the most social magnet I've seen in HoloEN that puts the right amount of distance to everyone and interacts them daily to get a feel about them.

So just because of Mumei credibility I trust this girl has a good heart

>>69019110
>How the fuck do documents which reference her former co-livers personal info "leak" to them when it wasn't intended

Niji literally gave it to them, you retard. They even said they did.

>>69019110
>How the fuck do documents which reference her former co-livers personal info "leak" to them when it wasn't intended?
Selens lawyer sent the documents to Niji lawyers and Niji lawyers gave them to livers.

>>69019150
>ex employee siphoning as much money off simps using harassment and suicide as a shield
Yeah, She's the bad one indeed.

>>69015071
trying to kill yourself because you can't have your way is literally just a form of escalation if you've been flirting with giving the company bad PR, which is proven by the fact that she was recording other members over one year ago
the bitch took a butterknife to her wrist and went to the hospital to get a fucking bandaid you retard

her menhara behavior predates the suicide attempt at least a year

>>69019060
>/vt/ speech
and dropped
RIP
hope kurosanji, ANYKURO and the yacht fleet sink but I'm not supporting a retardo from /here/

>>69014809
A victim syndrome maybe.
She know how to set trap cause she can see her self to all of her coworkers. Imagine her commissioned artist or such, all of their DM's are all well documented for her to use. What a cunning cunt *slow clap*

>>69019384
>>69019398
a claim isn't a fact, retards

>>69018332
is it bad that I agree with this schizo rant?

>>69019316
did i say anything wrong retard, or maybe the chinese should take part in this again to protect their "chinese compatriot"

>>69019380
>Mumei
>Good person
>She's known for gaslighting EN
KEWK

>>69015349
This is a good point, surely someone would have come out against her from having a bad experience but nope

>>69019453
That is some ESL google translate shit right there sister.

>>69019507
True. Nijisanji lies all the time, maybe they lied about this too.

>>69019404
> siphoning as much money off simps
mf thats vtubing

>>69019507
>Nijisanji lies in their own fucking statement to make themselves look even worse

I mean, it's possible, but I don't think they're THAT retarded, unlike you.

>>69019584
ogey rrat

>>69019680
It's the way she's doing it that's the problem.

>>69014809
>Doki is a terrible person
>Source: none
Riku will never let you on his yacht, sister.

>>69019666
>inject ESL when they have nothing to reply with some sense.
Hi Selen hows your income.

>>69015071
If you think this BPD woman hasn't tried to kill herself before then I guess you've never been friends with or dated one.

>>69017220
>They have causes severe yabflation in the rratmarket.

Even here, inflation is killing us. Fucking Sleepy Joe man I swear.

>>69014809
At least two small business declared end of cooperation with Niji. One would devote the revenue to suicide prevention.
At least one artist testified Niji management is hard to work with.

>>69014809
george floyd of nijien

>>69014809
So besides typical NDF bait and defamation. Scarle is looking like number 4 on the list of mass graduations/ terminations.
1. Pomu
2. Kyo
3. Selen
4. Scarle
The Niji staffer established time frame of mass grad/exodus. It has to be within the same year, but it's Feb and I always spread the rrat as 6 months.

>>69019875
>have nothing to reply with some sense.

I think anon hit the nail on the head. We got ourselves a jap here boys. probably right outta Niji

>>69019817
Maybe niggersanji shouldn't be violating employment law in about 5 different ways if they want some fucking respect.

>>69019875
被害者症候群かも知れません。
彼女は同僚全員に自分の姿が見えるため、罠を仕掛ける方法を知っています。

>>69019974
fr if Scarle termination happen like next month, these nijitards will have to slit their throads

>>69019556
Chinks will always be chinks. If she started recording shit a year ago, she's a suspicious bitch gathering ammo against anybody that dare cross her. Attempting suicide as a girl is extra points to gain sympathy from simps like you. Go back there and celebrate chink new year with her

>>69020150
>Formal japanese
uh wtf, is this mf chinese, cant speak englih or japanese normally

>>69020315
Kek, yea im asian and i do celebrate it, you go back to /pol/ thenabsolute ethnic retard

>>69020036
that doesn't justify her method of moneymaxxing

>>69020150
I don't read dead language
Your point is nonsense
No, I wont use translator fuck off

>>69020315
It's actually standard practice in Canada. if you think your corp is fucking you over, you record absolutely everything.

>>69019986
Hi Selen :D
Stop browsing 4chan you might kill yourself again.

>>69019621
They did and people accused them of stabbing her in the back.

>>69020491
Great, get used to it because China will invade all of your brown countries soon

Cant fucking believe the NDF now bring up the fact that Selen is ethnically Chinese
Umh nijisisters, dont you know the "chinks" are behind your master Riku too

>>69020608
I fucking wish I was Selen. I'd at least have money then.

>>69019883
incel hands typed this

>>69018400
They literally have nothing to lose by showing a bit of support to doki. Instead they unfollowed her. Shows a lot huh?

>>69020523
Great job empowering opportunistic chinks like her

>>69019018
while it's satisfying to say u had one job concerning getting perms from higherups within AC, i imagine countless times they fuck up and have to redo and contact other creators just makes them more likely to make up reasons to deflect blame and keep their jobs lmao

>>69020937
You keep posting this, but they never followed her. Stupid Jap.

>>69020978
go back to /pol/ pls, you started to look like a pinoy instead of a chad white race defender

>>69020978
How's corpo cock taste, NDF?

>>69021129
What did you say? I can't hear you with Selen's shit in your mouth

>>69021240
Better than Tazumi's piss, faggot.

>>69014809

>>69021240
would

>>69014809
Millie get the fuck out

>>69021240
name a reason why you sided with a giant corpo thats openly show they their practice is for money
if you think Doki behaviour is bad, then that would be bullshit, even if true, the company isstill fucking worse
Oh sorry i get it now, you are a NIJI EMPLOYEE

>>69017073
No decent lawyer is going to take on a flimsy case based on vague information and misunderstanding

No matter how bad Doki supposedly is as a person, I would support ANYONE that is going against the fucking shithole company that is Nijisanji. Period.

>>69021240
>t.

>>69015208
Yeah, all this does is paint them in a bad light.

>>69021578
>giant corpo le bad!
Funny coming from late capitalist amerilards like you

this thread reeks of twitter trannies

>>69021966
kek im the asian that one of the guy above called "brown countries will be invaded by China" tehee, you westoid ruined vtubing and this is what you get

>>69021580
unless they're the lawyers that oked elira vox and ike doxxing themselves lmao

thank God doki's lawyer seems pretty decent so far

>>69014809
Doki reminds me of old youtuber groups where one guy carried the creative side of the group so much that the rest of the group ends up hating them and causing drama

>>69021240
/vt/ doesn't condone Black companies

>>69019669
True. Nijisanji was never real actually. It was all a crypto mining scam that got way out of hand but they were in too deep. Everyone in Niji are all crypto miners

>>69022007
/vt/ is one big alt account for xitter sisters

>>69022007
first time on /vt/?

>>69020872
sisters are also different flavors of asian which makes it extra funny

>>69022007
okay tourist

>>69014809
You are witnessing a company run by idiots do the most stupid shit,getting owned by one girl thanks to their mistakes and you care about feelings? Defend the company? You don't cheer for the less retarded one? NijiEN is hitting all those indians in their backs with metal bats as we speak and all you take away from this is: b-b-b-b-b-b-bbut!! she most be a baaaaaaad person tho!
What are you, reddit?

>>69023272
Reddit unironically supports doki and hates niji. Maybe you're from reddit.

>>69022836
i'm a tourist, and not the hoard of dramafags pouring in /here/?

>>69023441
this isnt the comeback you think it is bud

>>69023414
Literally everyone supports Doki right now except for the few remaining retards licking Niji's boots, like you

>>69014809
>terrible company hires terrible people
I mean yaeh

>>69014809
Her reaction to the video taken down was not professional but I have to think it was a breaking point after a long line of bullshit. Niji knew she was working on this for what, 2 years or something? How does it take more than 36 hours (per Vox's "receipts") to even get a response that they'll look into it, the day that the video was suppose do to go live? Why the fuck didn't her manager have the perms ready to go weeks in advance?

But ultimate the reason people are mad is because someone tried to sudoku and the company's response was to post on twitter all the reasons that she's fired

>>69023663
>Fall in line with the masses or you're a bootlicker
I remember when the masses were celebrating Zaion being fired until they found out Niji was wrong. I will later remember when the masses were witch hunting Niji up until people find out Selen fucked up

>>69018031
>Kuro
You should read his statement on the matter, he basically did. You need to remember these people graduated and are going to be under NDA so they will be rather limited in what they can publicly say.

>>69023648
are you retarded?

>>69023991
>Why the fuck didn't her manager have the perms ready to go weeks in advance?
Because she literally asked the day before holidays.

>>69024321
Yozakura Tama

>>69024354
are you son?

>>69023991
Long responses aren't uncommon in Jp. You can actually find membership vods from Kiara where she mentions that sometimes her managers will ghost her on certain subjects/ideas for days, weeks, months and she even had one thing that took a year to hear back from on. She's mentioned that sometimes when you try to bring up these things that are indefinitely delayed, You won't get a response back. The only time you get a response back is when they tell you one way or another whether it's approved or denied.

Now I'm not saying that cover is quite as bad as anycolor but still. Not super uncommon for things to be delayed. Even bae broke down on a membership post about her cover suddenly being delayed indefinitely after she had spent over 6 months working on it.

>>69024321
kek so you mean Zaion was right but Selen is wrong?
you retard

>>69024403
they had all the perms, the video literally got nitpicked because "we wanna make sure all the talents are OK with this. Also we might force you to spend another $5000 re-animating this to cut out some ex-livers", which I'm assuming I know making a big assumption here selen isn't retarded and told them everyone she was including in the video.

>>69024321
Even if Selen was actually a fucking Rushia-tier menhera, which she isn't because she can keep her fucking spaghetti in her pockets better than the company here, it does not remotely justify the company's response. EN will burn to the ground.

>>69024403
Bull. This wasn't some secret project retard. How the fuck could the person managing her not be aware of this? It's actually just not even possible. And the perms she was missing? Two ex-Niji livers whom only Niji themselves could give permission for. This shouldn't even have been an issue to even the pettiest corporate rulefag stooge, yet here we are.

I crown you king of bootlickers. Maybe having something to be proud of will get you to lift your head off of the floor you dirt-eating maggot.

>>69024505
Kek, pretty cool that Bae didn't suicide bait like typical opportunistic, "it's never my faauult" girls like Selen did

>>69024641
These bureaucreatic idiots need physical beatings. Bad ones.

>>69024403
I work in field where you don't get holidays. All they had to do was get the perms ready in advance. Like 99% of the work could have been done in advance and 1% remotely from their phone

>>69024828
>>69024734
Sucks to be you. That's just how corpos work buddy. Even Hololive does it.

>>69024641
I would not bet on that. See the whole graduated livers participating in the video was actually the idea of the artist who worked on the piece itself, and she flat out said that Selen did not suggest to include graduated livers or anything else like that. She said that was her idea and that she wanted it to be a "looking back at the past fondly towards the future type of idea"
I'll also say that there are projects even right now that include graduated members, there's a song cover coming out from Maria very soon that will feature pomu as a singer and will also feature her likeness.
Nina was featured in background art for Reimu and had her model featured in Ennas Ethyria True End video.

>>69024830
All she had to do was ask in advance. Asking would be 100% remote from their phone.

>>69024403
>Because she literally asked the day before holidays.
That isn't an excuse, NDF sister. Selen's manager is supposed to do his job whether it's the holidays or not.

>>69024992
Do you really think this was the first time they heard she was working on a cover video? That she just asked for perms for something unexpected and completely finished out of the blue? Just because Vox labeled it with a big "1" doesn't mean it is actually the first time she talked about it

If the management isn't aware of what the talents are working on they shouldn't be in management

>>69024921
>T-that's just the w-way it is
As expected from the king of bootlickers.

>>69024992
>All she had to do was ask in advance.
There's nothing Selen could have done to make management greenlight her MV because management was sabotaging it on purpose. No matter what she did they would've just ass-pulled another reason to delay it.

>>69024921
So what? Third Nuke?

GUYS, EMERGENCY, UNRELATED BUT
ENNA OF NIJI IS A PEDOPHILE

https://streamable.com/2qgth0

I'm going to be a stupid fence sitter for once and say that honestly they both sound like they suck.

Doki
>History of menhera outbreaks
>History of ignoring friends and managers constantly
>Openly begs for people to help her pay for an event but also records the same people to try to get them in trouble
>Never takes responsibility for her own behavior
>Is admittedly BPD

Niji
>Relies on flooding the market
>Offers little support to the talents
>Are extremely Japanese and have all the problems that come with it
>Cause fans who are hired as livers to walk away with negative experiences
>Heavily favorites certain gens
>Spent nearly 2 years shilling a gen that lost popularity in less than 1.

The only good things that came from NijiEn were lazulight, Rosemi and Nina. And while I actually bought a membership to both Selen and now Doki, Selen always had a history of claiming to be in the right even when she was wrong. I still remember when she had a "professional coach" look at her tsb tournament vod and tell her how she wasnt responsible for screwing up at all, it was everyone else's fault that they offered her leader, she didn't want it and then didn't listen to anyone else.
I trust in roach mom and since roach mom hasn't even mentioned her or attempted to reach out, I'm gonna say that nothing is as it seems

>>69015071
So many discord/twitter/tumblr trannyggers try to commit suicide to get attention and claim threre was cyber bullying but 99% of that is their own fault or a lie or a delusion.

>>69025790
>I trust in roach mom and since roach mom hasn't even mentioned her or attempted to reach out

Turn your trust beyond Niji, to Holo.. Trust in Mumei, who believes in Doki.

>>69025790
You forget that it doesn't matter how bad Doki really is. Just look at all the things Niji have done on their own accord to paint themselves in a negative light. All they had to do is let her graduate peacefully and accept the loss, instead they went full scorched earth and shot themselves in the foot. I have no sympathy for Nijisanji or the talents that stay and support them at all.

>>69025790
You're not fooling anyone faggot.
>Doki
>Don't actually have any of the facts, just corpo accusations and blackwashing
>Since termination has done nothing but act professionally, did everything right and by the book

>Niji
>Made several incredibly unprofessional statements
>Countless scandals
>Outright revolt in JP because of ongoing issues
>Contractors come out of the woodwork to affirm that they indeed suck
>Everyone who left even on apparently good terms had nothing positive to say about the company and made it very clear how shitty they were
>We're not even halfway into all the shit we know for a fact about Niji

But yeah both sides sure seem the same to me, boy do they both suck! Let's ignore the fact that the ONLY negative messaging on Selen/Doki comes from Niji themselves and countless people have come out in support of her character.

What kind of an enormous turbofaggot are you buddy?

>>69026051
Mumei hasn't worked with Doki though, which is the premise of OP. So has RPR or anyone who's on her side. They're her friends, not coworkers.

>>69025790
Matara is literally on a trip right now and graduated normally from Niji which means she's under NDA (and both she and Kuro made this rather clear)

Do you even watch Matara? How the fuck are you not aware of this?

>>69026336
Anon twitter was flooded by coworkers outside of Niji making it very clear she was a pleasure to work with and Niji was causing huge issues with delaying payment and shit. How far up your own ass are you to still be blind to all of this?

Why the fuck are you believing Niji? They're the ONLY reason to believe that she was genuinely in the wrong, and there is a veritable mountain of evidence to the contrary.

>>69015071
Nijisanji's only mistake was failing to push her over the line. It is in your hands now folks.

>>69026323
Okay you can literally watch vods of any of her tournaments where she frequently shut down in the tournament and then had a pity party afterwards.
In fact if you can find it in the archives, try to find the very first mini tournament that she did between her and I think it was elira, Reimu and Finana. It was a kill race and she ended up losing horribly, she threw a temper tantrum afterwards and then deleted that part of the vod.
You can also look up the vods where she starts arguing with people like RPR about what to do in Apex doesn't take his advice and inevitably ends up dying.
You can also look up the mods where she brags about the fact that she had ghosted RPR while he was trying to figure out a collab date for her, because after stream she needed time to decompress and she couldn't do two things at once. She's also admitted at least once to ignoring her manager because of "decompression time" and ended missing out on a big voice pack because of it.
You can also look up how the puyopuyo tourney went to start off with and how literally everything went wrong in it. She never once took responsibility for that and when she was trying to be a tryhard during a collab that was supposed to be just for fun, her team ended placing last because she refused to take the position of shotcaller and then refused to actually listen.

2 plus years of this, and I still like the girl, but I would be lying if she did not have significant hangups that have conveniently gotten overlooked.

>>69015071
>this cute happy person
Her laugh is a nervous tic. She's mentally ill.

I hope someone uses the doxx information for Selen and finishes the job she couldn't finish.

>>69026420
She's actually on a trip in Japan, talking to people like Elira and offering them comfort.
Also in the NDA does not mean that You're unable to interact or anything like that with graduated or terminated members. Kuro literally had a collab with U-San and Matara has commented publicly on Quinn (aka Kyo)s profile and has also commented publicly on NotPomus account.

If the NDA forbids interactions, it doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of it

>>69026884
Damn, she was already fucked. I hope her mental illness keep progressing. God bless.

BPD is just pathologizing being a woman

>>69026655
>coworkers outside of Niji
Artists that she payed? Who else that is not her friend?

>>69026868
>Describe a long sordid tale of missing management and regular bants
So why is this an issue with Selen, exactly? To call this shit a stretch is itself a stretch.

Nobody is suggesting that Selen/Dokibird is a perfect angel that did no wrong ever, not even Selen herself as your list is full of her admitting to wrongdoing. Why would that be expected? Look at any talent agency and you see these issues are absolutely everywhere, these are normal day-to-day part-of-the-job events that are indeed caused by outbursts, poor communication and bad planning, but these are all things that management is meant to deal with, it's what they're fucking paid to do. What is Niji's role in the vtuber world you desperate cuck?! To just extract from their talents and give nothing back? To set unreasonable standards and demands in return for an exploitative workplace?

>>69027248
artist that she payed and people that were ghosted by Nijisanji and SHE had to pay for them.
They could even talk about this publicly because they don't give proper NDA lmao

>>69027352
So still artists. Waiting for real coworkers instead of clients.

>>69026655
none of her coworkers like her, whom she refers to as her "competition" while all the artists she squanders her revenue on (like a mentally ill person) say she was delightful to work with (obviously)...
does Selen even have any friends? or is the 200k she wasted just to astroturf this sort of following among the deviantart community? lol

>>69016253
I forget is this vtuber trans she sounds like one

>>69027086
>Talking to people like Elira
Lmao so you really don't have any idea what she's actually doing. She spent the entire day today with OniGiri.
>Also in the NDA does not mean that You're unable to interact or anything like that with graduated or terminated members.
Are you daft? The NDA would obviously be about disclosing her past identity and affiliations (which is entirely reasonable, as Niji would want to avoid association between their brand and her new life) so anything that would endanger that would be no-go. That doesn't mean "they can't interact" but what do you expect Matara to do here that wouldn't give away her past life? We've seen how absurdly spiteful Niji is, and Matara will be well aware of that too.

It's rather telling that Nijisisters have just completely given up on trying to defend Nijisanji and have instead just moved to attacking Doki instead. Even the sisters know Nijisanji fucked up

>>69027419
coworkers will never talk good about her because they would be talking bad about the company by default and risk losing their jobs.
It speaks volumes that the worst evidence and proof they could find against her was just some discord screenshot where it shows management incompetence.
Her recording Vox is a nothing burger assuming she was being harassed and bullied.
Nijisanji has shown more proof of their incompetence, manipulation and straight up malice than Selen, giving her claims more believable

>>69027332
Except a lot of the things were poor planning on her part and were menhera outbursts caused by her not listening to anyone. Which is exactly what I said and you called false.
It wasn't management's fault that she frequently signed up for tournaments that she wasn't actually capable of performing well in, it wasn't management's fault that she didn't check to see if the puyopuyo room was locked before she started it or if there were any ways to join/interfere with it before she started it.
One of the worst moments in /haha/ was the vsaikyo tournament that she was woefully under prepared for and did terrible in. Multiple goons will tell you that that tournament that she signed up for and that she participated poorly in, caused one of the worst menhera arcs in her career and that for several weeks after that stream her personality wasn't the same because she sucked at yet another tournament she signed up for.

Everything I said in my initial post is true. She's a menhera with BPD

>>69027419
>No see people she had a conversation and a single stream with, those are her real co-workers, not people who helped coordinate projects and such, just those random other livers who have their own vested interest in Niji's reputation vs people who have no actual stake here :^)
How dumb are you really dude?

>>69027472
>Does Selen even have any friends
Quite a few, but you'd rather be talking out of your ass since you don't even know this much.
>Her new manager knew her from her time as Selen and was eager to work with her
B-but he doesn't count either, right?
>Friends and people from all over are flocking to her
But man she's such a terrible person, everyone hates her :^)
>She actually made sure people are paid for their work
Wow. How horrible. 'squanders her revenue'? What the fuck do you think you're saying here anon? Are you ESL? Do you use chatGPT to co-write your posts?

>>69027873
And yet none of the ex-Nijis (her actual coworkers) stood up or showed support for Doki.

>>69014809
all chinks are terrible. fuck china.

>>69027613
I wasn't saying she was doing that today retard. She literally said a few days ago she was in Japan helping old friends deal with a stressful situation and how it was stressing her out too.
Also are you fucking retarded?
>She can't follow or comment on dokis posts because it would clearly give away who she was in the past
M8, Shes had at least three slip ups since joining, she's commented publicly on two other members who have graduated and seems to be on decent terms with U-San. What in the fuck is this cope that she can't dare interact with anybody who's graduated without giving away her identity? That's not how NDAs work.

>>69027873
My favorite part of the whole video is when Vox says, "It's this even that Selen's lawyer claims to be... uh, well, AND, what they claim to be..."

Oh really Vox? And what? What other times were there? Mind telling us about it?

>>69027332
>So why is this an issue with Selen, exactly? To call this shit a stretch is itself a stretch.
this type of thing usually becomes an issue when a person with very obvious unlikable behavior starts talking about vague claims of being "bullied" when it's very likely just them being in denial about the hostility engender in other people with their own fucking behavior
why? because it's a question of credibility, and personal character most definitely plays into that

>>69016386
Fishman.

>>69027959
>ex-Nijis (her actual coworkers) stood up or showed support for Doki.

Anti-disparagement clauses dude. Associating with Doki during this would be them defaming the company, they'd probably get sued.
Both Pomu and Kuro have made subtle posts suggesting they sympathize with Doki.

Now take your meds you stupid schizo.

Nocturnal DON'T stick your dick in crazy my man. You should dump her after this. It's for your own mental health.

>>69027878
>poor planning on her part
Are you retarded? Planning isn't her job, that's management's job you dumb fuck. The fact that she had to step up and fill in the gaps management left isn't an inditement against her, what the fuck?
>outbursts caused by her not listening to anyone
Not listening to specific people, and we've been given reasons why. But you'd rather pretend otherwise, of course.
> It wasn't management's fault that she frequently signed up for tournaments that she wasn't actually capable of performing well in
Nobody said it was, or even implied this was an issue. Are you implying this is an issue, because that'd be incredibly fucking stupid, and you're not THAT dumb are you?
>it wasn't management's fault that she didn't check to see if the puyopuyo room was locked
Actually is. That's their job. See literally any other agency that isn't a black company like Wactor.
>One of the worst moments in /haha/ was the vsaikyo tournament that she was woefully under prepared for and did terrible in.
Oh no? Woooow.... what a biiiig deal.... Seriously nigger are you for real with this shit? This is the best you could come up with? An actual nothingburger?
>Everything I said in my initial post is true. She's a menhera with BPD
And yet she's acting entirely reasonably despite the circumstances she's in, while Niji is actively self-destructing just to try and spite her.

>>69028266
Or maybe instead of making up shizo theories, maybe they just see it how Selen is. Matara and Kuro sure didn't hesitate on jabbing Niji when they graduate, why now?

It doesn't matter if Doki is actually 100% undeniably in the wrong and Niji EN comes up with sources proving it, they've absolutely torpedoed the public image of both the company and the streamers in the western scene through entirely their own doing.

Publicly, they have been the aggressors and Doki the defender/reactor in every single situation. I think there would still be a possibility for sentiment to flip (with appropriate proof) back in Niji's favour if Doki was the one who started any of the conflicts, but it is ALWAYS Niji fanning the flames.

>>69020762
Want to back that up with prove anon?

>>69023414
>support
>hate
Did you even read my post?

>>69019419
Shut the fuck up Enna.

>>69027950
spending 200k on a bunch of nonsense sure sounds like "squandering" to me, I don't know why that in particular makes you so upset?
I've seen the cup of coffee MV, I'm convinced she could've made a better product if she simply open sourced it to her community her instead
and that retarded bitch spent 15 000 dollars on that and then cries to management about being flat broke. (she literally posted about this like a true menhara...)

fucking kek. if that sort of financial irresponsibility doesn't speak to a person's general character I don't know what will. no wonder people around her decided to distance themselves

I would have BPD if i was working for Nijisanji too.
It's clear that the company is incompetent, the management is incompetent and the talents are also incompetent (Vox, Elira, Ike)
Imagine having someone who is willing to do the job for you , and sometimes pay for you, and you treat her like she's a horrible person,. It's clearly there were some biased and favoritism within the company, and even Vox himself self-reported because it lives rent free on his head.

>>69028113
>She was in Japan helping old friends
She talked about bringing a friend along. You're just grasping at straws that she's talking to Elira. How the fuck was there even a stressful situation for Elira? She had zero involvement with events until yesterday. Utterly demented cope you dumb faggot.
>Shes had at least three slip ups since joining
And it was made very clear that these were slip-ups and not intentional. No court will consider that a breach of NDA.
>Commented publicly on two other members who have graduated
On their other accounts, which is obviously not related, and are not actively involved in a situation with Niji. I have no idea how you managed to conclude that there was enough of a similarity here to make note of it, but you're fucking insane.
>What in the fuck is this cope that she can't dare interact with anybody who's graduated without giving away her identity?
Nobody said anything about being unable to interact with anybody who's graduated. You made that retarded interpretation all on your own. I in fact literally said "that doesn't mean they can't interact" you utter inbred retard.

God damn you're stupid dude. Wow. Actually.

>>69028307
Planning is her job, if you cannot plan around recording voice packs You don't get special treatment, you miss out on it. If you cannot plan the next move in a collab or a tournament or anything like that, management has nothing to do with that. That's you.
Actually I was referring to the squad leaders/shotcallers in her tournaments that she signs up for and then doesn't listen to the leaders in said tournament. Look up the one with Bruce Wayne in it, that one's a great one because her entire squad yells at her that there's a guy right around the corner, she does not listen to them goes around the corner gets shot goes down they place like third to last because of it.

And no, if the puyopuyo tournament was management organized then yes, it would be but the tournament was her idea it was planned out by her, it was organized by her, she was the one who was responsible for it. That's just how that works. If you choose to hold a massive tournament on your channel, you're going to be the one responsible for it no matter what company you're in.
What's the big deal with the vsaikyo? It was a massive tournament that she failed to do good in yet again because she didn't listen to anybody but herself yet again and ended up failing yet again.

Also I don't necessarily know if trying to commit suicide after being told that your cover had to be approved by management still, is what I would call reasonable.

Sometimes I'm torn between looking at bait threads to see people tear this willfully obtuse bullshit apart piece by piece, and just... letting it go and not giving them the attention they so desperately crave.

>>69028120
And you somehow think Niji has more credibility here? Lmao my dude please keep talking, I could use more of a laugh.

>>69028537
He is right. BPD bitch didn't bothered with the corp process to get reimbursement and did whatever she wanted. Mentally illed folks like her should just off themselves. Imagine her manager and her having a sloppy creampie and causes the biggest the genetic pool pollution in history.

>>69028797
holy ESL

>>69017918
Please post the links, I wish to see that

>>69028667
I can literally find the fucking vod for you where she talked about how she had spent some time with old friends helping them deal with stress and how it was stressing her out too. But no, I'm sure that she was just talking about I don't know onigiri. Obviously and she clearly wasn't talking about any of the other people..
Retard.

No court is going to rule that you violated NDA by following somebody on Twitter. No cord is going to rule that you violated NDA by showing support to somebody on Twitter. Again, you're pulling shit out of your ass. That's not how NDAs work. She cannot tell people that she was Nina, but everything outside of that is pretty much free game. If she wanted to support Doki she could. She doesn't.

>>69028797
all the artists and developers that worked with selen and niji already stated that it was niji that failed to reimburse them, forcing selen to pay out of her own pocket for niji's incompetence

why are you lying you faggot? tazumi got your balls?

>>69028672
>Planning is her job
So what is management doing?
>if you cannot plan around recording voice packs You don't get special treatment
Oh? So there's 'special treatment' now?
>If you cannot plan the next move in a collab or a tournament or anything like that, management has nothing to do with that.
So again, what is management doing and what are they paid for if they're not handling the basic management task of planning?
>Look up the one with Bruce Wayne in it, that one's a great one because her entire squad yells at her that there's a guy right around the corner, she does not listen to them goes around the corner gets shot goes down they place like third to last because of it
Yeah god forbid someone makes a mistake. Utterly unforgivable. Are you genuinely actually Elira? I'd imagine her to be this petty but some random anon? Nah this shit isn't real.
>Also I don't necessarily know if trying to commit suicide after being told that your cover had to be approved by management still, is what I would call reasonable.
Ah and now you're pretending that this was the only thing that happened? We're ignoring the fact that they were consistently making her pay artists out of pocket? Sabotaging her projects? It was just this and only this? Nigger you're not even pretending to have any semblance of objectivity here, you're either her most dedicated anti or actually a Niji. Which one are you. Confess.

>>69014809
>artists come out to say she was great even when niji fucked them over
>musicians, composers and singers come out to say they actually gave her permissions ages ago and they dont know what the fuck niji are talking about
>multiple brands lining up to sponsor her even as sponsors pull support from niji
>streamers from other companies take time off to spend time with her behind the scenes

lol cope nijigger, Vox, Elira and Luca at the very minimum are unemployable now

>>69028797
nijisisters your chinglish...

>>69014809
Between Vox and Aster I think there is some serious abuse shit going on and that things are way worse than people imagine.

Nobody wants to work with her, except for everyone who wants to work with her.

Stepping back and looking at it objectively

>>69029161
We keep trying to tell you that male vtubers are a blight, and no matter how many times it gets proven, still nobody listens. Reap what you sow and all that

>>69028925
>I can literally find the fucking vod for you where she talked about how she had spent some time with old friends
So not Elira. Or what, she can't mention her by name but she's free to associate with and voice her support for Selen? What's with the two-faced bullshit here anon?
>No court is going to rule that you violated NDA by following somebody on Twitter
Holy backpedaling batman. You were talking about voicing support, and now it's just following on twitter?

>Scarlet gets suspended for not retweeting

>>69016586
>>69016640
Yugo doesn't know shit about her and is just trying to use it for clout. Kuro, Matara, Pomu RM want nothing to do with her, because they actually interacted with her before. Hell not even Ironmouse wants to get near this crazy bitch.

>>69015071
I don't really care about the attempted suicide, I just think Nijisanji EN treats their talents like shit, they're unprofessional, and create an inferior product.That doesn't make me morally opposed to them, but it does make their failure inevitable, and I don't want them dragging the Holo girls I love down with them as they go. Their flirting with the cross company line makes them a potential hazard.

>>69029161
I mean at this point we have a mountain of cope. Sayu is lying. Kuro is lying. Dokibird is lying. Third parties are all lying. Artists are lying. But Niji, Niji speaks the truth :^)

>>69029036
well considering she spent over 200k of her own cash on fan content, to the point where she didn't make any profit in an entire year. I'd say I would probably pump the brakes on sanctioning all this commission money for Selen as well if I was the fucking Niji management
where has all this money gone anyway? did she just launder it through her deviantart pals?

>>69023414
Literally everyone supports Doki.

>>69029465
Not the ones who matters the most though

>>69029362
Lord Athelstan supports Doki which is all I need to know.

>>69029064
Management is there to ensure that the deadlines are met and remind her of upcoming deadlines. They're there in case she has any questions or need help writing scripts or anything like that. I'm not saying that management are great by any means but once again if you cannot plan around a voice pack upload that's your fault. They give deadlines they're very open about when these deadlines are going to be due.

If you fuck up in a tournament because the fact that you're unable to plan ahead in the tournament that's your fault management can't control that. What the fuck do you want them to do brain chip you so they can take control and make sure you don't fuck up???

My point from the very beginning was that she constantly makes mistakes because she never listens to anybody. Every single tournament that she partakes in ends up the same exact way. Her dead and her teammates carrying her because she didn't listen to them. It has been a reoccurring theme for over 2 years. Just like ghosting people on discord and Twitter has been a reoccurring theme for over 2 years.
You can call it Petty, but clearly you did not ever watch her. You're defending somebody because they spoke out about a corporation that you already didn't like and that's fine. Nobody has to like anything. On the same hand from somebody who's actually watched her, she has a history of not listening to fucking shit and then ending up worse for the wear because of it.

Also it's very common to pay artist out of pocket in Japanese corporations. Every single Holo member does it and literally every other Niji member does it. Is it right? No. But this has been the standard for years. It's not like she was subjected to some sort of rule that caused her to only do this. I'll also admit that until I see actual proof of sabotage, I Don't know that I would really call it that.
I even actually wrote to any color about the takedown of her cover. I thought that was absolute bullshit and told them as much and told them several times through several different emails about how fucking bullshit it was. Around the fifth time I got a response back saying that there was an issue with permissions and that it was being taken care of and that the cover would be back up. Turns out, there is an issue with permissions and that was being taken care of and that it seems like the cover was planned to be back up. I have no reason to believe that wasn't going to be uploaded because graduated livers have been in covers before so

>>69029385
>She spent 200k of her own cash
>Where has all this money gone anyway? Did she just launder it?
What the fuck is ESL-kun trying to say here? Is this a chatbot just stringing random sentences together? What the fuck does money laundering have to do with anything? Why are you asking where the money went when we know from multiple sources where it went? Are you asking to see her exact finances or some shit here?
>I'd say I would probably pump the brakes on sanctioning all this commission money for Selen as well if I was the fucking Niji management
That's not how anything works you fucking toddler. Niji was being late in payments and fucking up on sending artist their NDAs and multiple individual people have confirmed this to be the case, the fuck does that have to do with 'pump the brakes'?

Seriously this has to be a bot, right?

>It doesn't matter that Nijisanji is a black company because Selen is a menhera
wut...

>>69029036
Selen solicits the artist. Then she files for reimbursement. Clearly other livers had no problems reimbursing artists. Why? Well, what if she never bothered to submit for reimbursement? Use your brain dumbfuck. Selen has you by the balls.

Fuck Niji and all the livers. Vtubing is a sin. The biggest mistake committed by Niji is failing to push Selen over the line to off herself. One of you go finish the job.

>>69029587
>Management is there to ensure that the deadlines are met and remind her of upcoming deadlines.
Oh? And how do they do that? Who is setting these 'deadlines' if management isn't planning anything? Anon stop talking out of your ass. Stop posting on the internet. Finish middleschool and find a job so you learn basic shit like the role and responsibility of management in a company. This is fucking embarrassing to have to read, holy fuck.

>>69029656
no it's more "Nijisanji is black and the termination and aftermath were handled poorly but in this case Selen was being a fucking retard and cannot be trusted either"

>>69029227
I mean of course she can't voice her previous coworkers by name. That part you right I should have put that on my whole "the NDA is only your name that you can't talk about" post, but She is able to privately voice support and hang out with people that she knows. From the sounds of the vod, She had met with two people in the branch that she ended up liking and was talking to him and helping them through a stressful time.

She has not followed, Doki She has not tweeted about Doki, she has not mentioned Doki on stream. She has not replied to Doki. She hasn't even made a vague post like
>I'm glad to you find success. Good luck in your ventures
And before you go
>Well she's just too busy
She's literally been posting on the accounts of other graduated members. Face it, she doesn't want anything to do with her

>>69029542
The ones who matter are the fans. The Elira video has 80% dislikes vs 20% likes.

>>69029776
I have seen enough hasbara shit to know this is a half-assed pro-Niji argument.

>>69029656
>taking what mentally ill people say at face value even though they are delusional and paranoid
Dokitards are on par with flat earthers.

>>69029628
Fuck, I am the original ESL-kun. Please give proper credit for upsetting you. Here, give me another (You).

>>69029776
It literally does not matter. Doki does not need to be trusted at all in this scenario. Nijisanji and the livers literally self reported, Doki hasn't made any claims in the public except that they leaked private documents, which Niji even confirmed. She hasn't said anything that requires your trust, Nijisanji are burning themselves down from the inside.

>>69029705
>See if I twist this clear implication of corporate harassment by asserting that Nijisanji doesn't work on contract basis but instead reimbursement then it looks like Selen was in the wrong!
Anon. Do you not even understand what 'reimbursement' means? You do not 'reimburse' artists or contractors, you PAY artists and contractors. Reimbursement is what happens when an employee pays for something out of pocket that should have been paid for by the company, so if the company was meant to pay the artist and Selen paid for it out of pocket because the company wasn't doing it, then Selen would have to demand reimbursement.

How the fuck do you write an entire post around the word and concept 'reimbursement' and get the basic concept so fucking wrong? Go back to school you illiterate dropout.

>>69029827
Holy shit is that an argumentum ad populum?

>>69029776
>Don't trust Doki
Done. She hasn't said anything anyway so what would I be trusting her about in the first place? The only side making statements is Niji and holy fuck does it look grim.

Yeah I can definitely see her as a pain in the ass with the way she jokes around and teases, but I can also see her change depending on the person. Like how she annoyed Pomu in Minecraft and ended up awkwardly laughing from embarrassment. It doesn’t excuse the bullying she received even if she was annoying

>>69029739
The higher ups at the company set the deadlines Forwards those deadlines to management and says
>We need this voice pack recorded by this date so it can be uploaded to our site on this date. It will be sold for this much and here is the idea for it
Management, are then in charge of organizing meetings, reminding talents of deadlines and the responsibility to record and upload stuff. Management are also in charge of making sure that songs are approved and that mvs are good to go and All that shit. They serve as a middle manager between you and the company.
This is not something that's exclusive to Niji either, lots of corporations have multiple chains of management. Especially in Japan.

I'm convinced that either you're underaged, have never watched a single stream from any corporate Vtuber, or that you're just flat out retarded.

I thought this was always obvious, but in a good way, for us, the fans. She just wants to give us the content, she doesn't care about the politics and diplomacy to do good business with peers.

>>69029827
Who cares about drama watchers? She only lost like 5% of her subs. Good riddance.

>>69029978
No anon. Put down your internet warrior guidebook. Referring to a statistical outcome which has tangible effects and outcomes has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of argumentum ad populum.

You started babbling about 'the ones who matter' and in very real terms the fans are ultimately what matters in this setting as they are the foundation of both Nijisanji and Dokibirds livelihood.

Who else matters and for what reason? Are you going to point out some objective arbiter of absolute truth for us?

>>69029628
>That's not how anything works you fucking toddler. Niji was being late in payments and fucking up on sending artist their NDAs and multiple individual people have confirmed this to be the case, the fuck does that have to do with 'pump the brakes'?
a few instances, okay.
now ues, show me where the 200k went

it's funny that you believe Nijisanji is a shitty corpo that doesn't suppor their talents but also believe that they sanction one talent tens of thousands of dollars in work related expenses and are just perfectly ok with that
and yes I don't deny a few of those individual cases

>>69029776
Basically this. You have a black company and you also have a girl with a history of mental illness and being absolutely retarded. What could possibly go wrong? Like I said from the very beginning. I'm a fence sitter, Niji sucks ass but Selen has a history of being a BPD menhera who makes poor life decisions then justifies it because she's always right

>>69029934
>someone tries to sue your ass behind the scene while playing the victim
>you should just stay quiet and not speak out about it

>the kind of people who try to make both sides arguments

>>69029776
Cool. What has Doki said that I shouldn't trust? The only statements that've been actually worrying were from Niji themselves. So should I trust them and they fucked themselves publicly, or should I NOT trust them in which case they're just liars and shouldn't be trusted? This hole never ends...

>>69030144
So the higher ups set deadlines... based on what? This isn't planned, they just pick a date and BOOM deadline?
>Management, are then in charge of organizing meetings
What's that called again?
>reminding talents of deadlines
So what? They demand a meeting, tell talents to figure shit out on their own because corporate decreed a deadline by throwing darts at a calendar because nobody is planning anything except the talents?
>Management are also in charge of making sure that songs are approved and that mvs are good to go and All that shit.
And yet the whole issue with Selen and her termination is that this didn't happen. So what happened? How was management not aware of what was going on regarding their, apparently, one fucking job?
>This is not something that's exclusive to Niji either, lots of corporations have multiple chains of management. Especially in Japan.
And in all of those cases, management is in charge of the basic aspect of planning. That might get delegated to another party, a specific planner, but management is still in charge of that and not individual employees.

>have never watched a single stream from any corporate Vtuber
Ah yes, the place to learn about the concept of management. Watching streams of corporate Vtubers. Congrats anon, you just confessed to never having had a job and likely being underage as a result (or an actual neet which is even worse)

>>69030298
You a should side against Niji cause it’s funnier for the company to shut down EN operations over legal troubles and labor law violations

Selen's lawyer is a money grubbing kike who is taking advantage of her mental illness.

>>69029950
>so if the company was meant to pay the artist and Selen paid for it out of pocket because the company wasn't doing it, then Selen would have to demand reimbursement.
according to Selen.. since she's so menhara with her money that the company entirely gave up on sanctioning her work related expenses according to her own statements
and then she complained about not having made a profit in 2023 because the company doesn't want to pay for her retarded shit......

she sounds like a toddler that won the lottery or something

>she lost in a videogame tournament because she did something retarded, therefore she’s a terrible psycho menhera
What kind of argument is this? Nijisisters, do you really have nothing better than that? If that was the worst thing anyone could say about me everyone would say I’m a motherfucking saint.

>>69014809
Nah Kurosanji is simply incompetent when handling their talents.

>>69030403
Yes you should. If it's unsubstantiated claims then it should get shut down by a judge very quickly, or if there is actually substance it will be investigated and cleared up one way or the other out of the public eye. Nothing good could have come from them publicizing any of this, especially not trying to use it as a smear campaign against her, as shown by the situation they are currently in.

>>69030403
if speaking out is almost guaranteed to character assassinate yourself then yes you should probably stay quiet

>>69029950
Right, Niji is just Selen's daddy that fucks her every day and pays out her artist. No approval process needed. Checks out. Clearly you never had a corporate job.

>>69014809
Sayu followed her from Day 1, rrat destroyed

>>69030403
This is exactly what you should do, retard, especially when she has the decency to say virtually nothing about the litigation in public.

>>69030275
>Show me where the 200k went
?? Why? You keep dodging around the question of what this is relevant to. If anything you should be asking what the fuck Niji is spending the money they are raking in from their talents on, but unsurprisingly you don't seem all that bothered by this.

> also believe that they sanction one talent tens of thousands of dollars in work related expenses and are just perfectly ok with that
Anon for the love of fuck stop using words when you don't even know what they mean. Speak plainly if you cannot understand anything nuanced or complicated. Ask if you need me to use small words too. What the fuck do you mean they 'sanction one talent tends of thousands of dollars'? Nobody made any claims to that effect, you are at best wildly taking a statement from Dokibird out of context. Also if your talent is earning 200k off the meager cut you're giving them then you'd damn well better be forwarding them at least that much back as an investment, at a fucking minimum. Again, what the fuck is Niji doing for their cut of the proceeds and what are they spending it on? Give me literally any answer here that comes close to what you're demanding to know about Doki's expenses.

>>69029297
Matara and Doki were on bad terms before. In hindsight, the bullying is obvious. For a time Selen would only stream with a specific group of people within Nijisanji and a lot of people from the outside. The call-in during Nina's graduation was very awkward.
Pomu's RM doesn't even do anything other than post cute idols, why would she go out of her way just to show the internet "hey, me and Doki are still friends!"?

>>69030559
OK, even if we assume that's true and Selen is irresponsible with her money, what does that have to do with Niji? Also why would Niji give up sanctioning work expenses? This shit gets budgeted you muppet, you don't do that as a discretionary deal. Have you actually worked a day in your life? How are you this clueless at basic business operation? They start teaching this shit in middle school holy fuck. Actual underage faggot or what?

None of this excuses the fact that Niji didn't pay artists and was fucking up with the NDAs they were sending them. So we have proof that Niji was being retarded with their money and that Selen was paying people for their work, and somehow Selen bad? You're joking right? Tell me more about 'sanctioning work related expenses' holy fuck you genuinely have no clue how this works.

She can dish it but can't take it

>>69030655
>Here's a schitzo ramble about things you never said or talked about
You OK there buddy?

>>69030977
Come on, you and I both know Selen doesn't make anywhere enough to justify Niji spending $200K on her. Imagine spending $200K and then asking Niji to pay. Selen is either mentally retarded or have been in a lucrative compensation dating business, or both desu.

>>69020503
Yeah, disabling monetization on her stream, such a moneymaxxing strat

>>69031304
>Bants in a livestream are the same as corporate fucking with your projects
Yup, seems legit dawg. Clearly when the conversation is about corporate bullying they mean things people said during a performance :^)

>>69031304
Sylvie fuck off

>>69031329
Yea, I am more mentally sound than your BPD oshi that should have offed herself. It's only time before someone finds where she lives and finishes the job.

>>69031480
>troon
Every time

>>69031480
She’s cute. Who is she? I’m not reading that text

>>69031549
Dude, what

She is just some chick

>>69031398
>you and I both know Selen doesn't make anywhere enough to justify Niji spending $200K on her.
Anon. What the fuck are you TALKING about. The whole thing here is she spent every penny she made last year back on projects, which amounted to 200k. She doesn't even make 50% of the profits the company rakes in off her work, how the fuck are you suggesting that she's somehow not making enough? What calculation are you using to get to that conclusion?
>imagine spending 200k and then asking Niji to pay
There was never a suggestion to that effect. The claim in full was that she spent 200k on projects and made no profit, while we have separate evidence from outside sources that this was (in part) due to Niji not paying artists they had contracted.
>this dumb motherfucker somehow thinks 200k is a lot for a streamer her size
Anon 200k is peanuts. It's not crazy she spent 200k, it's crazy she made so little in a year.

You've openly confirmed two things here.
1. You know absolutely sweet fuck all about how corporate works
2. You know even less about money.

>>69031455
You would have a good argument if she didn't have meltdowns about the same kind of banter directed at herself

>>69031549
>More schitzo ramble literally wishing death on a person he doesn't know and will never meet
Yeah buddy you're the sane one. Yup.

>>69030977
so what you're saying is you've never had a job?
I use the word 'sanction' because a lot of these projects are Selen's initiatives from what I gather. You're talking about how all the artists express working with SELEN directly, and not Nijisanji, no?
Then obviously those are expenses that need to be approved by management or accounting. It's not as if Nijisanji contracted these people directly, so yeah in a few instances Selen seems to have stepped in herself because of some problem with management, but on the whole it doesn't really seem like these projects of hers mesh with management's interests overall.
and she's seemingly so compulsive about it that she keeps on doing it even without arrangements from her company until she's flat broke

call it what you will. I call it textbook unstable behavior

Everyone in nijiEN is bad, some just much more so than others.

>>69031773
The catalog was full with threads shitting on her for being bad at apex and that her teammates carried her, while she made it worse for them with bad communication.

>>69031814
Cool fanfiction bro.

>>69031773
Nah. You're just trying to muddy the water. There's clear evidence of corporate harassment from multiple sources. Artists being snubbed on payment and management dragging their asses on NDAs that somehow only happens to people working with Selen? That's a fact. The termination notice full of laughable slander at a terrible time without dialogue while the talent was trying to part on neutral terms? That's a fact. The ridiculous hit-piece stream where three Niji livers out of nowhere come out with a 'statement' right as she's starting her first real stream? That's a fact.

But no. It's all really because Selen can't handle the bants, that's what's going on here, nothing to see :^)

>>69031714
You think some anime vtuber with 750K subs makes meaningful money. Wow, you so grown up. Do you invest in super chat for your oshi everyday with your allowances? Let me give you a pat.

>>69028683
Anon's dillema

>>69031778
Hey, at least I am sane enough to not attempt suicide and bait sympathy.

>>69031988
>Artists being snubbed on payment and management dragging their asses on NDAs that somehow only happens to people working with Selen?
Troon artist being purposely obtuse and not giving the full context of the situation purely to virtue signal. They're not supposed to be pay for personal projects in the first place.

>>69031260
>pls stop using up our entire budget for work related expenses Selen, it's only January
okay, does that work better for you faggot?
now you're caviling about Selen not needing permsision to use company money or something? what is this? just because it's there doesn't mean they always have to give it to her

it's relevant because it speaks to a person's character when they spend their life savings on Gacha games no? Well it's not too dissimilar

now cope and seethe, I dunno what to tell ya. you seem incredibly buttmad

>>69030530
Nigga you're retarded and I'm not even gonna read whatever the fuck you replied with. Continue being retarded elsewhere

>>69031934
All of that's true though. She constantly brags about being an apex predator and loving competitive games but there was a total of one tournament she did good in and it was a hide and seek tournament and in the end ipn won it not her

>>69031814
>I use the word 'sanction' because a lot of these projects are Selen's initiatives from what I gather.
Which is admitting that management wasn't doing shit, and Selen was left to do this on her own. Well done asshole. And again, this would be based on a budget. Why are they refusing to sanction her projects? If there was no budget for it why didn't they just say that? Why are they having their talents do their own projects unsupervised without help from management only to decide part-way into the process that they won't sanction it? In what fucking world is this a functioning business formula? How fucking retarded are you?

>You're talking about how all the artists express working with SELEN directly, and not Nijisanji, no?
No. Artists were working on things like outfits for Selen's model, which would then be owned by Nijisanji. All you're talking about here is that Selen was apparently managing her own artists because again, management wasn't doing shit, they couldn't even get their NDAs out right.

>It's not as if Nijisanji contracted these people directly, so yeah in a few instances Selen seems to have stepped in herself because of some problem with management, but on the whole it doesn't really seem like these projects of hers mesh with management's interests overall.
Again, what is management actually doing then? They're not helping on projects. They're not managing artists. They're not handling planning and collabs. They're not getting permissions. What are they doing, exactly? And we know for a fact that they don't do shit because even Kuro and Matara made this abundantly clear.

So you have this one liver doing the work of management, and all management seems to be actually doing is sabotaging her work in the pettiest ways (privating her MV because she didn't have permission to use the images of ex-livers. Permission she'd have to have gotten from... Niji. Who somehow took over a day to get this sorted.)

It's textbook unstable behaviour alright, from whoever is pretending to be a manager at Niji, and it fits all too well with everything that happened since Selen's termination.
>Selen
>Mostly stable given the circumstances, only notably shaken on Feb 13 when they released a hit-piece talking about confidential documents
>Not stirring shit or causing trouble

>Niji
>One unstable meltdown after the other
>Extreme spite on multiple occasions
>Laughably unprofessional

But please, tell me more about how unstable Selen is, it's so amusing watching you try and perform these desperate mental gymnastics.

>>69031998
This isn't about what anyone thinks anon. There's facts and data on this, and apparently you seem to believe you can just guess and speculate instead? You think that's normal? That kind of says it all. Don't even need to add anything more.

>>69032232
>Here's some schitzo headcanon, is that better?
Lmao. You actually thought you were making a point there? Holy shit dude.

>>69032302
>"Hurf durf reading hard and I got told"
K.

>>69029297
ah, so we're just making shit up now. You go sis! Maybe some newfag will latch on to this!

>>69032617
> Here's some schitzo headcanon
What facts and data? Selen & co's words against who's? Imagine being as schitzo as your oshi.

>>69032111
No, you're just insane enough to wish murder upon someone when you begin to lose an argument

>>69030403
>someone tries to sue your ass
Ohh? Selen Tried to sue someone? How do you know that?

All we know is that their Dox was on some legal documents.... so the fuck what? Someone can be mentioned in a legal document for all kinds of reasons other than being sued. Like they are mentioned as a character or material witness.

>>69030403
>Sometime sues your company behind the scene
>You should just stay quite and not speak out about it
This is common fucking sense, yes.

>>69033338
What argument? You never argued back. Plus, I don't need anything to wish murder on a BPD bitch. Good riddance.

>>69033652
I never argued back because I wasn't that anon, I am simply watching you have a schizo breakdown about Selen's daddy and fantasizing about someone coming to kill Doki. All the while you're calling everyone else mentally ill.

Please get help.

>>69033652
I hope some girl you think nothing of kills you by jamming sewing needles jammed through your eye sockets, you filthy swine. Slowly.

>>69024921
So kill them. Every last abusive middle manager is worth nothing more to me than fertilizer.

>>69015450
She was with friends keeping her company for most of last night. Probably to destress after an exhausting meeting with her lawyers and planning what the other side will do next. She only slept for 3 hours before starting her Apex stream.
She's keeping all of us updated as much as she's able because she knows right now, she's liable to lose to her woman moments if she's alone with her thoughts.
So yeah.

is she still locking her tweets?
what is she afraid of?
isnt the breakdown of all her pastcoworkers and demonizing of them what she wanted?

>>69034773
>Probably to destress after an exhausting meeting with her lawyers and planning what the other side will do next.
so nothing?
no one is sueing anyone
not selen and probably neither niji.

>>69014809
yes shes an asshole, but elira and her clique are far worse

>>69021578
Mumei, watch your back!!!