/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it gives me a boner regardless

Whoever decided that it should be done should probably be fired. Lawyer, talent, management, all of them. If they had just shut the fuck up, it probably would have blown over in a month. They deserve what they get now.

>>69000996
Unless management was holding a literal gun to their head, I don’t see any reason to feel bad for them even if they were coerced into it. What they’ve said and accused Doki of is UNBELIEVABLY fucked, especially given the circumstances.

>>69000996
Does it matter?

Elira said she volunteered for her channel to be used for the stream, so she at least volunteered for that.
Vox was definitely there voluntarily. He clearly holds a grudge against Selen for recording whatever the fuck he said and jumped at the opportunity to throw her under the bus. He was the one who talked the most too.
The only one that doesn't really make any sense here is Ike. He didn't really say anything of value either.

They were named in court documents and are now going to try and minimise damage.
Whether they're doing a good job or not...

>>69001857
>The only one that doesn't really make any sense here is Ike. He didn't really say anything of value either.
He probably just wanted to get brownie points from management

>>69000996
they do it for free

I think they were all there voluntarily. Elira especially seemed gung ho about the idea and volunteered to host the video on her own channel. Vox is whiny so of course he'd be there to try and play the victim, Ike was probably talked into it because he either was scared of losing a cushy job or felt like he had to defend his friends after all the time he spent with them. He probably started to get cold feet the moment the stream began though, or the moment he read the chat and realized that NijiEN would never be the same after this.

>>69001797
To people that were still invested in NijiEN's talents up until this point, yes. Its probably the difference between leaving them or leaving AND anti-ing them from here on out.

>>69000996
Their names are on list of harassment perps, so they tried to damage control by playing victim card.

>>69000996
Volunteer
They are the management.

>>69000996
im pretty sure they got forced into it, because absolutely no one has the gall to talk shit about someone unless they got a go to do it.

>>69002237
Nah this was personal. He enjoyed stabbing her in the back.

>>69000996
staged, faked, scripted, abandoned with a fault not of their own
and for what, hoping to get a better job when their contract terminates?

>>69001857
Let me quote Elira verbatim
>After discussion with the members of nijisanji EN as a collective, I volunteered for my channel to be used for this stream.
>additionally we've been told that there will also be a video releasing regarding the situation from Tazumi-san directly a fer hours following this stream
>BUT WHAT WE SAY ON THIS STREAM IS OUR OWN WORDS AND OUR OWN FEELINGS

>>69000996

Either way it's fucked, not a single care for the mental health of someone who recently attempted suicide.
They wanted to secure their jobs more than they cared for someone's life.

>>69000996
Elira is the management, not only did she volunteer to do it, but it was her idea in the first place. Also her idea to schedule it to overlap Doki's Neopets stream because she's a hateful bitch upset that even without an agency, Doki is more popular than she is.

>>69002635
it honestly does not negates the possibility she was forced to do it

>>69000000

>>69002834
oh. nice.
anyway

>>69000996
Elira is the only one people care about, and really it boils down to this: She came across a moment where she had to choose whether to do the right thing and risk her career, or to do the wrong thing that protected what she already had.

She chose to do the wrong thing for her own benefit. If you were ever in the prisoner's dilemma, she would choose to betray. Failed my litmus test for decent human, but hey at least she gets to keep her visa right? At least she did what niji management wanted right? She deserves whatever comes as a result of this.

Can someone explain why these three idiots even got to look at the documents?
Isnt there something like HIPPA for civil stuff?

>>69000996
Volunteer. Graduation is always an option.

>>69002708
What if they could not do it on the official Niji channel because NijiJP is in control of that channel
and this is just them going rogue?

>>69000996
I do think they were probably forced, I'm just not sure how though.
If they weren't, I really can't understand what they expected and why they thought now would be the best time to do it.

>>69002406
Vox and Ike weren't on the bully list, they were just in the document as an example of rules not being applied equally across the board because they dind't seem to get in any trouble because of their tweets calling bullshit on the official management narrative about the AR live being canceled because of COVID.

And in Vox's cause in particular it seems like he gloated about it on voice chat while Selen was recording

>>69003034
sadly its a reason we all know too well
niji management is incompetent
consensus is that a lawyer from niji was supposed to have debriefed everyone about the confidentiality of it and he was either ignored or not called for this meeting

>>69002635
>After discussion with the members of nijisanji EN as a collective, I volunteered for my channel to be used for this stream.

so she didnt even request for permission from actual management first to use the official channel gee elira rules for thee but not for me

>>69003286
she was told riku's stream would be next
it was likely plotted

>>69003034
Mabagment is retarded

>>69002635
>After discussion with the members of nijisanji EN as a collective, I volunteered
to catch all cocks throwed in nijisanji
Kinky bitch

>>69001857
Why do you retards act like you don't know what was recorded? Vox couldn't make it any more clear that she recorded him to get proof of special treatment in Niji for her lawsuit . Are you holding onto the rrat that they were secretly married or something?

>>69002976
Explain to me how nuking her channel is not risking her career.

>>69000996
100% volunteered

>>69003034
They didn't see whatever sealed document doki thought they saw at first. Doki herself already backtracked that part.

>>69003515
Vox does get special treatment lol

>>69003034
Management probably posted it on the discord and told everyone about how that evil poopyhead Selen was trying to sue Anycolor and use the legal system to doxx them in the hope that at least some of them would take the bait and publicly throw Selen under the bus and the Three Stooges evidently did, they probably didn't expect the retards to admit having access to confidential court documents on-screen

>>69003878
Weak cope sister

>>69003428
but if they just let riku's video go through with none of elira's bullshit of wanting her voice to be heard first before the official statement this wouldve just ended at that with doki playing neopets but no this just further enforces that the clique does exist and they had to enforce their precieved authority because their pride was hurt by doki not just lying in the dirt and dying without their guidance

>>69003993
Dokibird is coping?

>>69001857
>Vox was definitely there voluntarily. He clearly holds a grudge against Selen for recording whatever the fuck he said and jumped at the opportunity to throw her under the bus.
Didn't he self report and say that she recorded him showing proof that Luxiem get favoritism? Vox being the retard that he is, used rule breaking as his example which makes me think she recorded him bragging about how they didn't' get in trouble because of their status.

>>69003694
i dont know how they could save themselves from this

at this point their hope is to go indie when the year ends, but people are really against this pro corpo behaviour

what was in them for doing this? it cant be volunteered. it must have been at least ordered, maybe even paid

>>69003693
Mysta's venting on the bottom will always be unreasonably funny to me

>>69003286
my wife nier…

>>69004189
judging by how nijiEN is now there is no management to order them around and this was all 100% clique going rouge circling the wagons

>>69001857
Ike was there because someone else was accusing him of pump and dumping with promises of future employment from niji

>>69003034
Either they weren't supposed to see it and saw it anyway, which is bad, or they saw it legally because they're part of it, which is even worse.

>>69003113
Letting your talents go rogue and make statements that put the company in legal liability would be a very bad look on them.

Also, if that was a rogue stream, why is the vod still up then? Didn't Selen get in trouble for going rogue and posting her MV, which management promptly took down.

Anyways, it doesn't matter, the management already posted that tweet defending the leaked information allegations in that stream, so they we're aware of and approved for the stream to go through.

>>69003693
LMAO WHO TYPED THE ALL OUT WAR THING

>>69004390
talking about it is also extra bad
even without confidentiality clause you do not talk about lawsuits you are suffering with unless legally needed
they are *all* bad omens professionally

>>69004447
Yeah if this was them going rogue the video in question would not be up.. And Vox and others followed up on Twitter with re-tweeting Niji official.

>>69003113
Elira wouldn't go rogue and post videos without permission. You're thinking of her sister, Selen.

>>69004663
video is monetized?
somehow?
and this is a good idea?

>>69002635
>BUT WHAT WE SAY ON THIS STREAM IS OUR OWN WORDS AND OUR OWN FEELINGS
This was 100% something she was forced to say. Remember, she lives in Japan now, so management may very well be holding her visa there hostage in order to make her do this shit.

>>69004464
Pomu

>>69000996
I think they genuinely believe their side is right. Still a bad choice though since the public has already backed Selen and this video is just bad optics for them. I don't see them turning this around.

>>69004464
bomu. i miss my wife

>>69004770
>retarded visa cope
Let this die already, that's not how that works.

>those confidential legal documents have our real names, she is literally doxxing us to her lawyers
who greenlit this stream?

>>69004447
>tweet defending the leaked information
community note'd into contradiction
all points to management really willing to trhow elira under the bus and call it handled

>>69004464
pomu, that's where the bit comes form, now it totally is an all out war though, the floodgates have opened and literally everybody is against niji now

>>69004776
>>69004189
>>69004790
it seems we cannot escape the influence of pomu...

>>69001390
Dear anon, please treat intellectually disabled people with care and love.

>>69004667
Elira doesn't need permission, she practically is EN management due to her bilingual translations between branches and livers.

>>69003694
Maybe she thought the brownie points would help. Or maybe she's just dumb and has that much of a chip on her shoulder. Either way, not doing it meant potentially getting terminated for refusing orders. If she was ordered. It doesn't really matter what her reasons were when a girl attempts suicide and all she can do is defend her own actions, throw blame, and make it all about herself.
Whether she thought it was the move that would keep her career safe and whether her career is actually safe is very different. She probably knows by now how hard she fucked up

>>69004975
they hired and bullied a person with BPD
they can take a little consequence of their own actions

>>69004770
How the hell would Kurosanji management be able to get control over her visa?

>>69001857
>He was the one who talked the most too.
The lying ones tend to run their mouths

>>69004189
>what was in them for doing this? it cant be volunteered. it must have been at least ordered, maybe even paid
They were trying to save the branch's reputation by throwing Selen under the bus, Elira was doing that fake crying to garner sympathy. Vox was trying to sound hurt but the jackass kept chuckling while doing his speech and his language used sounded very deceptive to anyone with a brain.
They thought if they told everyone that Selen was doxxing them and how hurt they were that she betrayed their trust that the fans would disregard anything she said.

This was Elira's idea 100%.
This also confirms the clique rrats because everyone wouldn't have retweeted it unless management was enforcing Elira's will on them.

Apparently Enna, Millie, and Elira are all explicitly named in the lawsuit for bullying Selen.
Elira is at the heart of all of this.

>>69005113
Work visa. If she stops working there, she has to go back.

>>69004447
>>69004663
>>69004667
The rrat was that Elira == NijiEN management. So she would be controlling the perms and the VODs

I want to believe that Tazumi recorded his video with zero knowledge of what EN said.
>There, that should smooth things out. The EN livers should have said similar in their statement...THEY DID WHAT!?

>>69004082
this

>>69002635
this guy walks in one someone robbing another person
>"hey whats going on here?
>"nothing, me and an old aquaintance are just catching up on lost time"*points gun at victim* "isnt that right!?"
>"o.o.o...oh yeah! we are just catching up"
>"oh my god thats so great I thought I was witnessing something terrible! Time to go back to drawing my flat earth models"

>>69000996
Vox was most certainly *snrk* forced to be there. He was a true *snort* friend to Selen and any bullying allegations are clearahaha... clearly the ramblings of a damaged mind. He truly holds no grudge against tha- heh heh, that despicable voice-recording mentally ill liar Se- HAHAHAHAHA... Selen.
>BUUUUUUUURP

>>69000996
Enna and Millie took over the clique and forced Elira to become their scapegoat, threatening to treat her like they did Selen. Elira doesn't realize submitting now cements her place as the next victim.

>>69003515
I thought it would've been bullying. Not just favourtism/double-standards.

>>69005156
Elira calling out Millie and Enna like that is fucking insane to me.
>Document is explicitly about being harassed by people in the company
>Admit you read the document, start naming names.

>>69002635
LMAO. The same management that was so careful about past livers appearing on an MV will also let livers stream about a controversy without making sure what they say is on script. Sure.

>>69000996
somebody link the twitter post in a reply to me, personally don't gonna bother. In it, it clearly says "In order to check the validity of Selen and her lawyer's claim, ANYCOLOR Inc. shared only necessary parts of the information sent by her lawyer with our Livers and led an internal investigation. " which basically means they wee aware of the situation and choose to proceed with the stoning out of their own volition.
>were they given a script?
perhaps, most likely. considering vox is a numberfag surely
>were they forced?
clearly not, scarle's actions prove there was another road and they choose the yacht

>>69005545
Yeah it's not even a witch hunt when the witches are retarded enough to out themselves.

>Ike is super close to Enna, Millie, and Elira, and visits them all the time, a fact frequently disclosed on twitter.
>The are rumors that Vox has been involved in some nasty shit involving sexual harassment, and started going to therapy to "get his horniness under control". He freaked the fuck out when Selen mentioned the tape and decided to involve himself in the video

The key to this whole thing is Elira's fake-crying in the video.
The fact that she had this demeanor means that she was putting on a shoe i.e. wasn't being coerced into doing this. It was her idea, she lead the charge. The fact that she got management's approval only further solidifies the clique narrative. Management does what she wants, she might even BE management as some people are speculating.

The clique is real, Elira is at the root of it all.

>>69005386
Kek BURRRPPP

>>69000996
Why would they be forced into it? If we assume they were genuinely friends and didn't want to do this, why did their names show up in those documents? And since we'd need to assume they were genuinely friends for Doki naming them to not mean anything why the fuck would they agree to do a hitpiece on someone that's suicidal? Either they're complete scum or they're complete scum, which do you pick?

>>69005681
Pretty much felt like the livers convinced the management to let them do this rather than management forcing something on them. Why would management do that and not involve actual lawyers? There is 0 chance a lawyer would have approved this shit, it was legal suicide.

>>69005681
>>69005663
>>69005692
the lawsuit would not dox the livers. the confidentiality of it would guarantee it, because the lawsuit was to niji
management did this. a lawyer did not debriefed them, or he did debriefed the management who chose to promptly ignore it and proceeded to screw the pooch

>>69005872
everything but the part were it says they volunteered looks and feels false, staged and scripted
they were thrown under the bus

>>69004082
That about sums it up. They had to go "we're totally not bullies this is why we are going out of our way to keep slinging mud on Selen after she left. she wrongfully skipped out on her scheduled wedgies and swirlies and we are obsessed with coming out looking in control here, she can't have the last laugh, how DARE she be popular and liked without us!!!"

They did not want to let bigboy Riku handle it - which he did, he would have made a serious dent in unwinding things if it was just him apologizing and nothing else and we would probably have chalked it up to nijiEN management being ESLs and retarded. But now we know it is both that AND some of the talents are butthurt prima donnas too. Worst of both worlds, IMO catastrophic because allegations of a mean clique had been in the shadows for a year or two and now look like flat out fact, and the only way to fix a whole gaggle of completely rotten bratty talents would be firing them IMO. Management changes at least could be handled in the background without too visible an effect on the content or reputation, but they either leave rotten asshole talents in there and tank the reputation or severely punish or fire even more big names.

>>69001857
Ike is the one that confuses me the most too, since he's pretty consistently been close with Selen and was even close enough for her to get him animated on her dime... twice? I think? The only possible reason why I think he could side with management is if he was threatened with an industry blacklist, which would be awful for him especially since he does a lot of mixing for covers and lord knows this industry needs that.

>>69005872
>riku let us also make a statement on this matter of selen dont worry its going to be 15 minutes max heres a video of it if you want to review it
>shows riku 15:00 time stamp and black screen
>lol he cant understand english anyways

proceeds to release this dumpster fire of a statement

elira really is drinking the top shelve industrial grade dumb bitch juice

>>69006222
Of course it's fucking scripted why would you expect otherwise under any circumstance? Did you expect them to have some candid ad-lib regarding this? The question is whether they wrote the script themselves or if management did it, and I frankly find it incredibly hard to believe either management or legal had significant involvement here. A fucking trained monkey could come up with something better, but at least I'd expect that from retarded livers.

>They are now deploying bootlicking bots on the video comments
lol

>>69006701
i do not belive that was their standard vocabulary
it wasnt even natural to them
in the very least someone else edited the script

>>69000996
given the selection, it seems awfully convenient to choose their 3 top dogs
volunteered or coerced? beats me, probably both because i believe the rrat of "say this or get term'd like her" that and they also had some dirt on her to put as well
>vox
he got immediately defensive about the favoritism rrat and his whole "muh recording" whataboutism
>elira
her reading the doc and namedropping her, enna and millie under a dox "threat" gave the clique rrat some really solid ground to work with
>ike
the guy was straight yapping, barely added anything but he was the closest liver to selen (according to him)

It was do this or get fired.

>>69000996
>I was only following orders.
It doesn't matter.

>>69006528
I mean Riku basically confessed he wasn't doing shit in regards to managing the EN side, being the lazy gook that he is and 'uuhhh engrishu hardu' (you pay staff for that you dumb gook monkey)

Basically felt more like Vox's thing than Eliru desu, he was the one yapping the most. Bitch-ass nigger is probably shitting himself wonder what Selen managed to record him saying, he knows exactly what he did, which is exactly why he was so clearly upset that there were recordings.

>>69000996
Three options:
1. Willingly
2. Forcefully
3. Bribed

>>69007159
Ike is not a friend of Vox, he is a friend of Elira.
Elira is at the root of this. It was on her channel.

>>69006885
Anon these clowns have no idea how to do public statements regarding legal matters, of course they're going to mangle the script and make it come off unnatural as fuck. You're also just used to seeing them put on a performance in-character.

>>69007159
>Riku basically confessed he wasn't doing shit in regards to managing the EN side
Why would the CEO be heavily involved in the management of a foreign branch? It'd be weird if he was.

>>69007033
Bull. And frankly anyone with half a wit would understand that being fired is better than what this would do to their careers. Niji is in no way able to fire their talents over them refusing to do a hit piece. The whole thing was jank as fuck to start with being just a black screen. No way this was management forcing shit, this was voluntary and properly pushed for by this group of fuckwits trying to cover their asses.

>>69007525
Elira and Selen had some kind of fued at Niji. They completely avoided each other in collabs.
Elira might have done this to try and "get one over" on Selen.

>>69007380
There is somewhere on the spectrum between micromanaging everything and doing nothing that would be the appropriate amount of management from the ceo.

>>69007159
I mean it might be preemptive damage control if he was shit talking the Chinese or something (which sounds so very likely coming from his situation) and is afraid the CCP is gonna send fujo assassins after him if the word gets out. So instead sit there and take his lumps (if they are due) he is trying to Karen this away by going "mmmm yeeeah but she shouldn't have been recording me??? So yeahhh it doesn't count"

>>69007285
Nothing is stopping Vox from bringing in Elira and dragging her stooge along with her. Elira is obviously involved, sure, and probably near the top of the totempole but I highly doubt she's the one wrangling Vox instead of the other way around.

Her whinging about doxxing was weak as shit while Vox had a whole rant about recordings showing he was clearly rather concerned with what he knew he said. The guy was here with something to say and made that very clear.

>>69007668
And here it's pretty close to doing nothing. That's what his employees are for.

>>69007380
Anon if you're the CEO of a big company you have the basic responsibility of making sure your assets aren't on fucking fire. The retard has no excuse to be this far out of the loop.

>>69002635
>>BUT WHAT WE SAY ON THIS STREAM IS OUR OWN WORDS AND OUR OWN FEELINGS
To be fair, what else are they gonna say? "Management handed us this script and told us to say the words or we're fired"?

>>69000996
Too late to the discussion but this is percisely 声優の盾 (Seiyū no tate, Voice Actor Shielding) that existed since 2010 Ever since Idol Master fucked up major time on stage and somehow Bandai Namco made all the voice actors do the apology.

https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E5%A3%B0%E5%84%AA%E3%81%AE%E7%9B%BE

It a way for companies to diverge some of the hate towards their talents and could later claim of personal harassement to tried and kill the controversy.

There's no doubt Niji JP is aware the situation and this is the solution they asked NijiEN to do with, and the 3 hitpiece combo (Riku's apology to investor, these three POS's video, and NijiEN's tweet) completes a coherent narrative that the company has no fault and Selen is an asshole, but the CEO is compassionate and is aware of the situation.

What buffles me is why the 3 talents volunteer for the hitpiece, are they so spineless or do they truly believe the hitpiece is true? They're not Japanese and do not need to think they are owned by the company.

>>69007285
this. nobody knew how rancid illuminaughtii was until shit started coming out, if Elira is some narcissistic sociopath like that and she took over nijien management everything that happened from hiring her friends, the vitriolic termination notices, the complete disconnect from public sentiment and hosting the statements on her channel make complete sense

>>69006299
aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee my virgin ads given eyes are burning

>>69007755
Pretty much, he's preemptively giving his fanbase excuses.
>Yeah he said some pretty fucked up shit but it shouldn't have been recorded!
Will be shitty but better than just
>Wow he said some pretty fucked up shit what the fuck?!
And him making excuses about the recording after the fact would be far less convincing.

>>69004119
Technically, she recorded him with the intent of proving that Luxiem was receiving preferential treatment. Whether he was saying anything about it is unknown because we don't know the contents of the recording, but it's pretty fucking obvious to anyone with eyes that that entire wave is allowed to do do whatever the fuck they want because they're the biggest earners.

>>69002635
>>BUT WHAT WE SAY ON THIS STREAM IS OUR OWN WORDS AND OUR OWN FEELINGS
This, to me, is the pivotal element. They knew Riku was going to make an official, personal statement in a bit, were okayed by the management to stream the organ’s response, and then proceeded to act in the most retarded fashion possible. They meant to do that.

they will be graduated, it will be soon, it will be awful and it will somehow still be their fault
meanwhile, the next nijiEN wave will be greeted with graduation questions

>>69007895
If they didn't want to do it they could have made up some excuse.
>Sorry my spine feels slightly misaligned today and it's messing with my astral chakra, maybe next week?
The fuck is management going to do? Threaten to fire them? They're a Japanese company they can't do shit.

>>69006299
Who colored it or did shuuko decided to go back and color it after all

>>69008395
>The fuck is management going to do? Threaten to fire them?
Yes? Or worse, make them sit out the rest of their contract in silence with a stealth suspension. If this entire situation teaches you anything it should be that companies are excessively petty and vindictive if you won't toe the lie.

Volunteered, because elira is actually in charge of EN management as the bridge between all the ESLs in japan

>>69007875
What's fun is that the CEO of a big company has complete responsibility! Even if you fire wrongdoers, unless they were acting in willful defiance to your orders, that shit's still your fucking responsibility. This is a real demonstration of this guy in particular not being equipped to expand outside of Japan.

>>69008279
Two different indies who had announced their graduation have already de-graduated. There will be no wave.

>>69000996
The purpose is to distract from Nijisanji's management. The massive disconnect from the talent response to the CEO's make this clear.

You guys don't understand. Nijisanji has whittled away all sense of self worth, believing themselves to be worthless without The Company. And in a sense that's true. Niji will pan you a stealth suspension and WITHOLD YOUR PAY if you aren't constantly sucking their dicks. They'll make your career a living hell and no doubt they have a tally of "owed expenses" to keep their talents from just cutting and running.

>>69009240
Nina and Selen both emphasized how much they're told how much they're nothing without the company after leaving so I'd buy it.

>>69000996
100% forced. Directly or indirectly we may never know.

>>69008516
>Yes?
Read the full fucking line before writing a reply. Niji is a Japanese company they can't do shit.
>make them sit out the rest of their contract in silence with a stealth suspension
Which would only work to their benefit at this point. What good is threatening someone with a good time? This is a lame threat because Niji can't afford further PR damage by stealth suspending some of their biggest talents over petty shit like this, not when JP management is coming for their asses already.
> If this entire situation teaches you anything it should be that companies are excessively petty and vindictive if you won't toe the lie.
I believe that they'd want to be, but that doesn't mean they can. Again, Niji is a Japanese company, they have pretty fucking serious worker protections which is why the whole corporate exile thing exists in the first place. They'd also be looking to mitigate their freefalling stock and they're not really in a position where they can tell shareholders 'yeah we're sidelining three of our biggest earners on EN because they wouldn't do a monumentally stupid PR stunt

Now, I can almost accept that the livers are retarded enough to be like you and think there was a real threat to their careers, but again just come up with a dumb excuse not to do it and they won't be able to do a fucking thing.

>>69000996
They saw the monumental backlash they were getting and are now blaming Doki instead of management. It's simple, it's classic victim blaming, they accuse her of slandering them by going public (even though management was the one that did). I'm honestly not even sure they ever saw Doki's debut stream, the video seems like a response to information that wasn't even publically known.

For the record, I don't think any of them actually bullied Selen in the strict sense. What she likely means by bullying is that management calls in other livers everytime there is a dispute to put pressure on the talents. Vox literally admits to doing that in the video, imagine you're arguing with management and some company pick-me starts dming you about how unprofessional you're acting and how you're ruining the company's reputation. That could be interpreted as harassment by proxy.

What likely happened is that management recieved documents from Doki's lawyer, noticed it contained information about other livers and in an attempt to make themselves look better cooked up a story about how Doki "broke their trust" by gathering evidence from chats and recordings. They then made up a horror story about how she was going to leak their personal information to some drama channel. These three then decided, on their own initiative, to directly address their fanbase to not lose control of the narrative. But since they were given a false version of the story by management it backfired.

>>69007763
What a joke. Vox is like an old man in a cave that nobody talks to. He doesn't even stream. Elira is at the center of everything. She is the one who organized this, there is no question about it. She is also the one who had the feud with Selen and who Selen explicitly names in the lawsuit. Vox's portion of the lawsuit is incidental.

>>69009884
>That could be interpreted as harassment by proxy.
No anon, that's literally just harassment. No grey area there.
>But since they were given a false version of the story by management it backfired.
Even if they only received fragments of the story that makes no real difference. It breaks NDA and makes the livers look retarded for believing Niji when they would know better than anyone what things have been like. All that points to them actually knowingly being involved in harassment, which is why they did this stream, to try and cover their asses because they know what they did. Vox knows the things he said and is obviously worried about what parts of that were recorded.

>>69010080
He's had quite the reputation already from his PL. Don't think the same can be said about Elira but it's all the same to me. I can believe either version at this point.

>>69010080
Vox is being used as evidence of favoritism. He's not one of the bullies, Selen's just comparing her treatment to his.

>>69000996
you may not want to hear it but they were probably forced to do it

>>69010080
I don't know shit about any of those three, but based solely on that 15 minute debacle, Vox was clearly the one trying the hardest. Elira and Ike came off as just misled idiots, while Vox came out with a lot of points that were clearly designed to attack Selen's character. Two were defensive, one was on the offensive.

>>69005681
https://archive.md/2021.12.24-100650/https://v8916.tumblr.com/post/671388736653770752/caution-on-vox-akumas-past-actions

>>69010925
That's because recently Vox has been fancying himself as an "actor". He fully embraced an RP role with his new demon model, not to mention he did an actor's charity.

He also has some kind of relationship with Elira, although I don't know how close they are. He is definitely closer to Elira than he is to Ike.

>>69010925
Ike was the only one that barely said anything though, Elira still came out with 'abloobloo doxx I'm so scared also here's a list of names nobody knew about before now' I can totally believe her being exactly that manipulative bitch that now dragged her coworkers into this pit while they were trying to stay out of it. Vox obviously also had a lot to say, and the way he said it really makes it look like he intended to say it without some mythical outside force pressuring him. Dude had a bone to pick, and I imagine it's because he knows what Doki has on him.

>>69008508
i think they said after so many likes and retweets they went back and finished. then made the vox one of himself sucking his own dick.

Is this real or fake???

>>69011459
even if it's real it's still trolling

>>69011459
Quick question since I know you're retarded, do the words "Wayback Machine" mean anything to you?

>>69011341
It's hard for me to buy that anyone is THAT fucking retarded. I genuinely don't know what to take from this other than that Vox is a slimy fuck. Elira/Ike don't come off well here, as the best case scenario for them is that they're gullible cowards. Worst case is that Elira believed her own hype enough that the literal fucking tsunami of goodwill for Doki could be overcome by feigned idiocy and crocodile tears.
Only guess on Ike is that him and Selen were tight and management wanted to just choose someone that would make her feel as bad as possible, and he's a gullible coward? I don't fuckin know.

>>69010518
>No anon, that's literally just harassment.
What I mean is management using the other livers as proxies to harass Doki, although depending on the extent they could also be classified as harassers themselves.
>Even if they only received fragments of the story that makes no real difference.
It does if you want to understand their motivation. As stated, everything they said was coordinated with management based on their version of events. Vox, Ike and Elira clearly didn't even see Doki's debut stream, because their story contradicts her account so clearly, like Vox saying that you can "leave Nijisanji anytime" vs Doki claiming she tried to leave on neutral terms.

>>69011411
kek

>>69011459
vile bitch

>>69012216
Or maybe Ike really did feel betrayed after she named him in a lawsuit

>>69002635
>BUT WHAT WE SAY ON THIS STREAM IS OUR OWN WORDS AND OUR OWN FEELINGS
dyrbi

>>69012216
They are not "gullible cowards", for some reason you're desperate to absolve Elira of responsibility, but she is literally the one who organized this whole thing. She is the clique leader, the bully. It's her, and it's always been her. You need to stop covering for her and trying to make Vox a fall guy, or else this isn't gonna end.

Elira's subs still believe she is a victim and was not the mastermind behind the clique or that she didn't say those things out of her own will even after saying so in the video kek

>>69012216
How many nepohires does Vox have in the branch again? Zero?
How many does Elira have? Like 6 or 7?

Hmm I wonder who is closer to management. Who do you think has a big grudge against Selen, some random dude or the girl who's been avoiding Selen for 3 years? Oh and Elira is Vox's senpai by the way.

>>69012815
Elira is at the top but vox is by no means a footsoldier either. He has an army of fujoshi ready to suck his dick even after he groomed minors and was an overall pos

Doki's subs still believe she's completely innocent and it was all just The Clique out to get her

>>69012815
I mean, I don't think 'gullible coward' is absolving someone, and that's most generous interpretation I offered. There is no fucking scenario in which she is faultless or even a good person given that video even exists. But I have seen no evidence (beyond just building off many also unsubstantiated previous claims) that points to her being some clique leader mastermind, and that premise seems to fall kind of flat because I don't imagine such people to be this fucking stupid. It's by no stretch impossible, NijiEN is clearly ran by fucking idiots, it just seems like it's giving her undue credit.
But hey, I don't claim to be an expert and never did, these are all gut feelings and trying to analyze 15 minutes.

>>69012483
Yeah maybe, he could just be that simple.

>>69012230
>like Vox saying that you can "leave Nijisanji anytime"
The funniest thing is that this also completely destroys any desperate cope that Niji management was somehow holding a gun to their heads. What, they can just leave Nijisanji anytime, right?

>>69012483
Nobody is that stupid anon. That would either require him to have read the actual documents, which is rather illegal, or to have believed Nijisanji when they're selling obvious horseshit.

>>69000996
They were forced to volunteer.

>>69001390
What I don't get is, why did the talents release a response video when the CEO himself was about to make an official statement?

>>69013714
They're stupid.

>>69000996
It's a retarded move so probably management forced them to. I imagine they'd have just kept quiet if left to their own initiative.

>>69013714
So they could Squash Dokis Stream, they didnt care about timing, just disruption

>>69013608
Her trying to leave nijisanji is what brought us here. Vox is a venomous retard that deserves to go down

One of the most anticipated collabs in NijiEN history is the fated "dragonsisters collab". The day when Elira and Selen would FINALLY have a 1v1 collab, something that literally never occurred even after 3 years. Elira was ducking and dodging collabs with Selen for years, even when there were only 6 people in the company and the later waves didn't exist. Elira has even dropped out of large group collabs when they would involve Selen.
One time they collabed was the "apex kill race" and we all know what happened there. Selen had a meltdown and Elira was smug to her.

There is clearly lots of hostility and competitive attitude between Elira and Selen. I have absolutely no doubt this video is a petty attack by Elira.

When all the livers in your company make a joint statement saying youre a menhara. You are the problem I don't believe her at all you have the whole EN division agreeing with this. Shes a crazy bitch I don't trust you randoms on the internet I'll trust the actually livers.

>>69002976
>>69007659
selen avoided both enna and elira the past year

the only person I'm really confused abt is millie, sln she was still at miilies birthday collab (that the two alleged bullies didn't join), and a handful of other millie collabs just last year... maybe not harrasser just enabler by proxy?

Clearly Selen is the mastermind behind all of this and is embeselling money with her unique position of both livestreamer and member of management

>>69013714
All you need to do to figure it out is look at the timing. It was the exact same time as Doki started streaming, and had exactly the intended result of sabotaging her stream and causing distress (Doki had no idea what was actually said at first, and had to cancel her stream to go find out). They just never expected it would have this much backlash because they're fucking retarded. Probably expected their simps to show up in force and back them up.

>>69014013
>Elira and Selen would FINALLY have a 1v1 collab, something that literally never occurred even after 3 years
No I definitely remember Battle Ducks happening in 2021.

>>69004858
It's literally how foreign postdocs work in USA for scraps.
And it's also how abroad students work in Eastern Europe.
"Do shit I want as I say or pack the stuff and fuck off".

>>69001857
>Elira said she volunteered for her channel to be used for the stream, so she at least volunteered for that.
>"Yeah, Nijisanji forced me to say these words by threatening to deport my ass off, so anyway, here's the message"
Do you unironically think this is how shit would roll out, lmao?

There's a very easy answer to this
Elira IS management. It's why they felt no legal issue sharing the fact that Elira was shown Selen's documents. SHE is the manager that Selen's sueing.

Anons. I still can’t get over with Millie being a bully. I felt betrayed

>>69000996
They were probably named in the documents selen sent to anycolor as harassers, so they volunteered because they’re bullied; and screwing selen over is in their best interest given the potential lawsuit coming their way.

>>69014253
>I'm a literal sheep and cannot process any actual thought
Ok. Odd thing to just throw out into the open but you do you?

>>69014253
Muh Scarle
Reminder that Tama dragged a liver down with her

>>69014440
But anon, Vox himself said they could just leave Nijisanji at any time? What happened?

>>69014257
Millie probably just didn't make her allegiance clear until recently, because this reply back is a pretty bitch move with context: https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1739518726758940757

Absolutely untrue rrat but the idea took root in my mind and it made me exhale a little
>This was actually a script on how not to conduct themselves in this situation
>The word "not" was lost in translation

>>69014567
>I can only process thoughts made from my retarded headcannon

Read the room your co workers don't like you it's you.

>>68996770
>Verification not required.

>>69014746
Yea given how badly they fucked up that sounds almost believable.
>Get a mail from corporate with bulletpoints of what not to do
>Some demented corporate goon forgot to type the word 'not'
>Retarded livers see list and assume they're instructions, proceed to self destruct spectacularly and all but literally admit to almost everything THEY said they were being accused of
>Niji lawyer dies from an aneurysm watching yesterday's stream

>>69014870
Anon. You literally said you just blindly follow the crowd. Why are you now trying to go out of your way to convince people? Just go eat some fucking grass and keep bleating to your fellow sheep.
>No see when people were doing witch hunts I believe their victims really were actual witches! That's how it works! Yes I am literally this retarded!

>>69000996
if its true that elira only complied to keep her job and finally get her visa, this is really tragic

>>69000996
They were the bullies

>>69015256
There is roughly a 0% chance of that being the case. Don't be retarded buying into some of the dumbest Elira simp cope.

>>69014943
>>69014481
Even the most vindictive Jap salaryman manager at a black company wouldn't write termination notices 3 pages long. They're all about PR and keeping a public imagine.

But if you're Elira and you're in charge of translating everything for management, you would write Zaion and Selen's terminations exactly as they were written.

>>69015236
Ironic coming from you. You will believe anything this crazy bitch says even if she told you to eat grass. Difference is I'm not holding my word to one person like you.

Elira is unofficial management.
She started out as interpreter/translator, since the actual management that was supposed to cover EN fumbled and scattered, with only JOP and pajeets remaining.
She eventually became de facto management, and her nepohire friends became her de facto assistants.

>>69014746
>>69015063

bro you guys are not human what is this NPC bot shit you guys are yapping about? there's no way someone would ever type this
> the idea took root in my mind and it made me exhale a little

like who the fuck would ever think about this idea, somehow think it's creative or realistic and type it out to show to other people?

>>69015461
I mean apparently Scarle is currently getting bricked, last I heard her valentine's stream is more than three hours late, and this is after Riku's retarded PR statements. At this point it can't just be some small clique or a personal vendetta against Doki, it looks habitual.

>>69015461 (me)
image* That's what I get for speedtyping

>>69013714
weaponised mental damage on the girl they already pushed to an heroing with simikar tactics. The timing says it all.

>>69015512
>N-no u!
Bruh.
>You will believe anything this crazy bitch says
What DID she actually say anon? This entire debacle has been Niji telling on themselves. Doki hasn't said a fucking thing. Niji outed their own livers as being accused of harassment, then Doki said she was going to leave things be and made no further statements or named any names, now Niji comes out with a full list of names all on their own. Why are you so adamant that 'hurrr u believe x' when that's not even remotely relevant anymore?
>B-but muh crowds
And I already explained to you why that's retarded. You literally couldn't even parse that information huh? What a fucking retard.

>>69015669
Don't get me wrong, this level of control the clique has is systemic. Both managers and livers are inside it and anyone that deviates is cast out and burned.

>>69015461
Even the most Jap salaryman manager at a black company wouldn't stream it at the same time as Doki's stream, they would just try to cover it up ASAP
That is too much of a petty highschool bully/gaslighter move done only out of pure spite
Of course, it makes perfect sense if Elira was behind the management

They literally say in the video "these are our words". Yes, management approved it, but only to take the heat off of them. They saw their declining subscriber count and wanted to salvage the situation. Their stream was not coherent enough to be written by a single person, it's just their own individual thoughts on the situation.

>>69015634
It's not that deep, retard. I get that you think rrats are all serious business but the vast majority of them are just trolls and things that are funny to think about. Nobody is seriously suggesting this is what happened, it's saying that things are so fucking stupid right now that this wouldn't even be surprising.

I really hope that you're just some dumbfuck middle-schooler tourist and aren't genuinely this dumb past the age of 16.

>>69007185
2. Elira is in Japan on a work visa, and Selen's termination notice dropped a few hours after she arrived in country.

She's not a bully, she's a hostage.

>>69014253
How's the kool aid taste?
Genuinely though, forming your own opinion free of the hivemind is good, but the livers in question are snakes.

>>69009419
Zaion said this sentiment was a disease livers all suffered from.

>>69016186
So you're saying that Selen is lying, with her name being in the documents? Is that your takeaway in this situation? That Elira genuinely did nothing wrong and just had a gun to her head?

Bullshit mate. Cut the crap.

>>69009061
>two
Grimmi and...?

>>69000996
doesn't matter, shit like this is always the manager's fault
don't get me wrong, I believe they wanted to make the statement. I also believe they are acting emotionally/vindictively during a stressful situation
it's on management for allowing any of this to go through. that is literally the job of a manager, to be responsible for your reports' fuck ups. that's one of the reasons it's (usually) a higher paying position than not manager
this is niji though so they clearly just don't give a fuck

>management decides to post some asinine script they cooked up
>someone's channel has to be the sacrifice
>volunteer because you genuinely don't want your fellow members to face the fallout
it's not likely but the best I can think to counter it is 'she was ambiguously named in a lawsuit for an unclear reason'

>>69002635
Anons out here acting like Niji is the Yakuza.
>Bro, you don't understand
>They kidnapped Elira's family and threatened to kill them
>They cut off two of Ike's toes before he talked
>They dosed Vox's coffee with LSD and made him listen to Niji Idol chants for hours

>>69015512
>>69014253
>>69015634
autistic nogbrains go away

>>69015526
Honestly real. Vox mentioned on stream before that Shu was a sort of managerial figure during their time in japan(? The time where he mentions Shu oversleeping). I always thought it was weird of him to be so active in managerial affairs considering they supposedly had acting managers, but you’re onto something here.

>>69003693
Where did this leak come from anyway?

>>69007811
Doing nothing is what is called for when everything is fine.
The branch has been imploding for a year now. It was high time to be doing something.

>>69016169
woof woof bark more dog

whose the retard when you didn't even understand what i typed, i'm telling you that you need to be caged up and fed excrement because the fact you typed out that retarded delusion in your head it meant you gave up on any human rights

>>69019268
go back troon tourist

>>69009240
>WITHOLD YOUR PAY
Who said that? I know about not paying people you contract via them, but I never heard that one.

>>69015526
So she's that one Snake Lady manager equivalent for Niji?

>>69019626
Did he know about this stuff going on? If it was mainly between talents they wouldn't want to tell him.

>>69018894
Shu is another Elira nepohire anon. If he's serving as a temporary manager whose authority do you think granted him that?

>the management people were shittalking could actually just be some of the talents larping as managers
Do I have this correct? That might even explain the unprofessional shitshow that was bullet point termination letter.

>>69022208
The current theory is that management *is* the talents, since they've been getting little to no support from the main branch.

>>69022208

>>69014943
>>69015461

>>69000996
Between the three of them a total IQ of 79 exists. They did it under the pretense that when the axe comes down, they will be spared.

>>69000996
Both. They volunteered because the alternative is to be exposed as harassers and abusers.

>>69002635
They were reading from a script and there is no way it wasn't vetted by managment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMD6OmV1fpc
I remember when people used that to say that Elira defended Selen and they were friends. Now what does it mean? Elira was peer pressuring Selen while using everyone in the room and pretending to be the only good one?

just following orders pls understand

>>69000996
how do you force someone to stream? nobody has a gun to their head.

it's intentional, it's just about whether they're doing it out of malice or stupidity

>>69000996
They were compelled to do it. The company is setting them up to be the fall guys they'll blame everything in Vox, Elira, and Ike and graduate them because their subs stagnated even before this situation.

>>69018037
This. A lot of it has more to do with EN's management and talents being complete retards and somehow being in positions of power on top of that.
If anything what Elira, Ike and Vox did just demonstrates the complete disconnect between the EN branch and the JP branch with Riku's video. And after how pissed Riku looked in that video having to apologize for and defend the EN branch, there is no way that he is going to take this lying down anymore. Expect to see major changes.

>>69002237
>>69006514
See >>69004360
Longer version: some random person with no proof claimed Ike was offering job oportunities in exchange of sexual favors. This was at the time they terminated Selen, so nobody paid attention to random posts with no recepits. The fact Ike appeared on Elira's stream with no apparent motivation can't be a coincidence.

Elira was obviously reading from a script, and that made it seem really insincere. That doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't believe what she said, or even that she perhaps didn't write it herself.

>>69026262
You would want to have your words prepared beforehand for something like this.

WAIT, Elira has a work visa in japan, right?
but as a streamer you're not an employee, but a contract worker, so you wouldn't be able to get a work visa
WHICH MEANS SHE'S ONE OF THE EN MANAGERS, she's an actual employee at niji

>>69026739
We don't know what visa she has.

>>69000996
Elira literally said she volunteered, anything else is just baseless speculation

>>69000996
Vox did it willingly - more like actively jumped at the chance. Elira was persuaded. Ike was "persuaded."

I WILL HELP MY OSHI ELIRA GENOCIDE MY OWN PEOPLE IF SHE TELLS ME TO, CAN YOU EVEN DO THE SAME FOR YOUR OSHI, ANON?

>>69003693
Mysta traumadumping at the end is always the funniest part to me

>>69011411
KEK

>>69019268
Petra stream

>>69024257
I was 100% sure that Selen and Vox were good friends. All the rare collab streams were great, but in the end everything was fake.

>>69027398
Yeah, it must really hurt to find out your friend had been recording you behind your back and waiting for you to slip up.

>>69006299
i remember reading some dumbass calling this "revenge porn"
as if R18 fanart is a new thing or something

>>69006222
>>69006885
Retarded coper. Of course they will sound different if they're reading script and you never heard them do that before. That doesn't mean someone else wrote it for them and most definitely doesn't mean they were forced to say those things. It was their own choice.

>>69027658
why would you read twitter replies, why do that to yourself

>>69026739
>but a contract worker, so you wouldn't be able to get a work visa
You can absolutely get a work visa as a contractor, it happens all the time and is quite common.

>>69000996
it's their job to do it.

you would know what a job is if you had one you NEET.

>>69024257
It means no one posting in these threads knows anything for sure and is more than happy to accept speculation as fact as long as it isn't about their oshi.

They didnt volunteer, it was all their idea to begin with, they are the bullies and they couldnt wait to call her a lying bitch because they were emotionally invested in hating her

>>69001865
Noob question:
Why are song covers do important?

>>69027119
I stand with you, brother.

>>69004858
Foreigners have to renew their visa every 6 months, and working visas require a reputable company to endorse them.

>>69000996
They didn't use enna's channel because she was too busy getting railed by Tyrone.

>>69028487
Anal only though
t. Tyrone

>>69012909
Elira is victim of the clique, enna and crew

>>69000996

only scarle is free of blame for this.

all others should have chosen now as the time to say "fuck no".

they joined in on gangstalking a poor girl who tried to kill herself.

>>69000996
My bets are on forced. Elira, Vox, and Ike are their trump cards. Throwing down the faces of Luxium to try to smash Doki is bringing a hammer to a gunfight. Bets are off on if this will go anywhere. Stern words might be getting exchanged though litigation is unlikely and Anycolor likely won't go full rambo with their legal team.

>>69028358
If she were fired, she has 90 days to find a new job. She could easily go indie and qualify for the brand new digital nomad visa in that time period too.

>>69025519
He's going to do what he did to the other branches. Cull it then absorb it.

>>69023443
She explicitly says that it was vetted by management + legal

>>69028212
Fuck off tourist

>>69014943
I still believe Elira is innocent. She was and still is being used by the clique. Clique wants to throw Elira under the bus when they are the ones who has been harassing doki&others.

>>69010518
>It breaks NDA
Anon, confidentiality/legal privilege != NDA

>>69029561
She can leave at any time bro
These words and feelings are hers, reviewed by management and legal

>>69029561
anon...

>>69028879
oh, I didnt know that. my knowledge of japans foreign policies is 6 years old, so I guess a lot of things changed, huh?

>>69030082

Generally they won't even revoke the visa since that's just more work on their end and you're contributing to the economy any way. You would need a sponsor to extend it though

>>69029836
>graduation is always an option
My perspective is that she is being manipulated and bullied herself by the clique. Similar to a weak school teacher in an alternative school full of gangbangers. And if she keeps playing the fool, she will be the one that will receive all the blame while those responsible simply jump ship

>>69013714
It's a mix of extreme arrogance and complete stupidity. A heady cocktail

>>69013714
Literal psychological warfare, judging from the timing alone. It was an evident and unjustifiable act of cruelty on a mentally unstable, known suicidal person.

>>69000996
Volunteer