/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68962711
>nijiEN, one of the big three
not for much longer lmao

Turns out that when you spend years building up good will without any major yabs, people tend to be on your side once something terrible happens.

It helps that the other side is being pretty much cartoonishly evil, and that's without Enna saying anything openly!

>>68962711
probably bot accounts. doesn't seem natural.

>>68962711
Niji has turned this thing into the best advertisement for her indie career and every time they open their mouths they end up sending a horde of their old fans to her channel.

SIEG ZAION AMIRITE?

>>68962711
>inflated drama numbers

>>68962711
>how?
Dramaniggers

>>68964302
anon, any attention is good attention for a content creator, especially if that attention is mostly sympathetic towards her.

>>68964363
coco had 500k people watching her graduation and now she dips below 1k viewers regularly, granted that's still better than the 100 viewers she got before hololive but still virtue signaling and drama numbers aren't worth much unless you're happy with being a 1k streamer, and that's with kson getting her yakuza role and regularly streaming, if selen doesn't keep streaming regularly because of the lawsuits and everything then she'll be even worse off

So who is the Selen of Hololive?
Who is going to be the end of Cover? Kronii? Mori Gura?

>>68965790
Cover isn't going anywhere because they actually treat their talent fairly.

>>68966143
And if they didn't before they'd be smart to start now.

>>68965790
I can't imagine Cover ever going this fully retarded

>>68966221
I can't either but you have to admit that the precedent is set that if you quit and want to start another career then throwing as big of a shitfit as you possibly can is the best way to go about it, especially since the consensus is against japanese corporations they can always just claim that boohoo japanese work standards are so harsh and toxic and they'll get to be the victims every time

>>68962711
>I am going to make a thread pretending not to know about the major drama that has been shitting up the scene and the board for weeks. This will be a hilarious and worthwhile use of my time
Just fucking kill yourself you worthless cretin.

>>68962711
>random

Fuck you mean "big three"?

>>68965488
good news, since kurosanji take 99% of revenue she only needs to be 1% as successful to maintain the same quality of life :^)

>>68965488
kson is barely even a vtuber at this point and streams absolute normie garbage IRL content that nobody cares about. she actively debuffs herself and is not a good comparison.

>>68965488
>not being able to capitalise on the spotlight means the spotlight is a bad thing
did you drool on your keyboard when writing your post?

>>68966747
good for her, she can spend 250k on random projects again lol
>>68966758
looking forward to your excuses for her viewership 2 years from now on
>>68966845
>mistaking a dumpster fire for a "spotlight"
lmao

>>68966950
i never said doki was good, i said kson was a shitter. put some glasses on fuckwit.

>>68967065
so you're already prepared for calling doki a shitter a year or two from now on, that's cool

>>68966530
Except she didn’t quit, she was terminated. Sentiment was already growing against Nijisanji and had been throughout 2023, so the news of Selen’s suicide attempt and subsequent termination made anti-Niji mentality bubble over.
Plus it was pretty obvious Doki wanted to move past it and not cause more trouble, she didn’t ask for Niji to attack her again.
Point is, this isn’t exactly a “strat” just anyone can easily repeat.

>>68962711
>Some random indie
There's multiple of them who's higher, here's a few

>>68962955
>cartoonishly evil
This is the only way to describe it. I cannot think of any corporation being this stupid in recent history.

>>68967309
I think it's a pretty easy strat, be an annoyance, break rules, get terminated, cry on twitter about sucide attempts and bullying (not like anyone cares about confirming it) and boom you have a million subs to start your career with

>>68965488
>>68966758
that only shows that corpofags are superficial.

>>68967495
dude who tf are the 1 3 and 4?

>>68967495
>>68967654
i made the mistake of looking up

>>68964363
>any attention is good attention for a content creator
then why is it not working for the other nijien members?

>>68965790
Coco was close.

>>68965790
Cover will only go under if pekora or marine quit

>>68967616
I think the tribalism is part of it but there's an even more important component, people are social beings, so if you're part of a group then that'll always be more interesting than being alone, I noticed that if vtubers leave a company and start streaming on their own then they instantly become 10 times less interesting, then I realised that it's because they're not part of a group anymore, there's no group dynamics anymore, it's just me looking at a lonely person, which is pretty boring, not that you have to be in a company to be part of a group but it's a lot harder to do it by yourself, like shaka is not technically in a group but he has a lot of friends so he always has a circle of people around him, granted it's easier to do that when you're as big as shaka but still

>>68967495
>>68967858
a lot of subs, but quite literally, all of them are children, not the richest and most generous audience to have, so she makes all her money from ads

>>68968201
Anon discovers fire

>>68965488
which is why they’re timing their blackscreens during her streams lol

>500k by the end of the year
Wow, the year went by really fast.

>>68965488
Yeah Kson doesn't perform as well because she dropped the character and essentially rebranded entirely. It's not a particularly good comparison.

>le random indie

>>68968298
I guess I was naive but I used to think that it depends on someone's personality how interesting they are, but now I know that it mostly comes from the context around them, personality still matters but it's more just a catalyst for making use of context rather than a quality by itself

It didn't have to be this way Petra

>>68967495
dang, CookieSwirl has Old One levels of power...

>>68968525
who's a good comparison? everyone that I can think of who left a company and went indie ended up with a fraction of what they originally had, regardless of how much drama was around them

>>68968652
Why did Shiori and Bettel catch a stray?

>>68966758
>>68968525

>>68967654

1. Twitch streamer who is ADHD incarnite spams collabs

2. Kid's Youtube channel that tacked on a vtuber

3. Used to make English Covers of Anime OPs, now has a Twitch stream and does Anime dub Voice Acting

>>68966950
>looking forward to your excuses for her viewership 2 years from now on

He won't need to discuss his viewership, because I doubt you'll still be here when Nijisanji EN is gone, which will definitely be in less than two years.

>>68968872
the joke's on you, I'm a vspo chad so I can keep looking from the sidelines as you apes eat each other lmao

>>68968978
t. false flagger

>>68969038
t. eop

>>68962711
Hololive vtubers:
>Attempt suicide after being terminated
NijiEN vtubers:
>Attempt suicide so they can't terminate you
>Play the victim on the new channel after termination

Simple really, Japanese companies aren't used to woke western tactics

>>68967998
>Cover will only go under if pekora or marine quit
Cover won't go under when Pekora or Marine quit because they'll be sent off with big celebrations and treated like heroes.

>>68962711
I AM COMING FOR YOU ENNA, MILLIE, AND ELIRA! NUMBERS DONT STOP!

>>68962955
Who knew being a decent person goes a long way. People just have internet, twitter, and liberal brainrot at this point that they think everything needs to be combative and argumentative.

>>68969177
ofc i'm talking about if they quit and go nuclear. pekora is the biggest vtuber now and marine has an army of thirsty simps who would do anything for her.

>>68969305
Rushia was bigger than those two at one point and nothing happened when she got fired. Cover for them being a corporate at least is careful when they fire people. They actually learned.

>>68965790
noone, hololive girls aren't a bunch of bullies

>>68965790
If they survived Coco and Rushia without imploding, they can survive anything at this point

>>68969077
own your faction ndf, be more confident in your cocksucking

>>68969566
Rushia is insane tho. Pekora at least has more normal deviations like gambling addiction

She got the niji buff, then she got the niji shit on buff. That said, Niji has hundreds of talents, that's how they are one of the big 3.

>>68969566
Rushia has never been bigger than Pekora or Marine if not during debut month, not sure why I keep seeing this retarded take.

>>68969730
don't worry I'll remember you when I look at this dramawhore's popularity a year later

>>68969734
Cause they haven't done anything bad. The Banpire got fired and you didn't see Cover tank cause they were actually careful with it and her genmates actually were sad about her termination unlike the snakes in Niji that threw Selen under the bus.

>>68962711
She’s hardly “some random indie”

>>68967654
Lurk moar

>>68962988
130k live viewers on her return stream, anon.

>>68962711
>still mogged by all of Holo EN

>>68965488
kson's numbers as Coco actually were not that huge outside of meme review, I recall she was like 3-5k range pretty regularly most of the time for her usual yakuza or whatever streams. it was only meme review that drew a huge crowd and it was very disproportionate to the actual standard crowd she had. she did make an insanely huge amount of SC income however that cannot be denied, and she probably still has high income today, but she was mostly a one trick pony (rather, two trick.. initially asacoco and then meme review).

>>68969566
Cover handled Rushia case quite gracefully I believe. IIRC they initially stated that they've no interest in their talent's personal affair. Letting the public know they have faith in their livers but also use suspension to let the whole event cool down is quite a nice strategy to boose audience's faith in the company but also letting ppl forget. Rushia's termination came after she went and leaked stuff to dramatuber, which nobody would subject .

All of these would have been easily prevented. All they have to do is part ways with her amicably and not publicize anything. They really shot themselves in both feet, twice.

>>68969734
It took a while for that to come out though. She lost the unicorns right away (which, granted, were an unusually large portion of her fanbase), but the casual fans and fans of other talents were just placated by Cover not handling it like idiots.
They started with a suspension while they looked into why Mafu was sending personal messages to her work account. By the time it escalated to termination, we knew NDA had probably been breached because details were being passed around drama channels. Even then Cover quietly cited NDA and apologized for failing to tard wrangle her, instead of dragging her through the mud to save face.

>>68970179
so pretty much the same as selen, except she doesn't even have a trick, she streams apex and uhhh, that's about it really

>>68969859
make sure to mark your calendar, chronic nijicum ingestion destroys long term memory

>>68970236
See that's the difference, Cover did it gracefully, if they fucked it up as bad as Niji did, we would be having a different conversation about it right now.

>>68970179
>I recall she was like 3-5k range pretty regularly most of the time for her usual yakuza or whatever streams.
To be fair you do have to consider that her fanbase was split between EN and JP. There was only a small time slot that was good for both NA and JP/SEA, and that's where she put meme reviews and Asacoco.

>>68970468
ok, I assume you gonna be watching her next stream right? make sure you keep watching all her streams, from start to finish, in 2025 too, you're not just here to look at the dumpster fire right? you think she's a really fun entertaining streamer who has what it takes to be popular right? (even thought she didn't have that in nijisanji but now that she's an indie she became a charisma god)

>>68969859
Who's the dramawhore again? Kurosanji management has started every round of shitflinging

>>68970761
wait actually she does have a trick, killing herself lmaooooo, now imagine the viewer numbers on that

>>68968652
shiori...

>>68970858
Betting that Vox or Elira gonna perfect that trick first

>>68968652
Kek I keep forgetting that Niji's new waves were HoloStars tier even before this shitstorm.

>>68962988
>Nijisisters are accusing other people of botting.
>Holobronies assume all numbers are true.
The final Yab has turned this world on its head

>>68968652
>Victoria can't even break 100K
Fucking hell that's so sad. She's been the only actual talent added since Rosemi

>>68962711
>nijiEN, one of the big three
>one of the big three
Hololive is the only one who's truly at the top, everyone else is completely fucking irrelevant.

>>68971366
they should credit selen in the description though

>>68971726
Imagine pulling HoloStars numbers with Nijisanji revenue sharing. It's like being a 2view indie but with permission issues, an ESL manager breathing down your neck, and exposure to bullshit drama like this.

>>68967495
>twitchstreamers

>>68968652
updating with new numbers.
Doppio 221k
Ver 215k
Claude 99.7k
Kunai 72.9k
Victoria 97.1k
Vezalius 163k
Yu 152k
Hex 292k
Pippa 306k
Aia 308k
Kotoka 318k
Meloco 367k
Aster 344k
Scarle 368k
Maria 430k
Reimu 433k
Shiori 478k
Gavis 154k
Fulgur 468k
Rosemi 487k
Ren 499k
Petra 507k

>>68970558
Yea, they let Rushia fuck up instead of management

>>68966758
>nobody cares about
Normal people care, not you lmao animu slop pleb

>>68968813
Calm down little sperg. Vtubers are a for profit business, numbers are a tangible metric for gauging their viability as a business. No one is saying shit besides that.

>>68972696
being a remote tard wrengler isn easy anon

>>68962711
>500k dramaniggers and saviorfags
New meta unlocked?

>>68969836
Depends on metrics.
You may be thinking subs or ccv, but Roosh was a monster when it came to SC and merch revenue --which may be more relevant to Cover.

>>68962711
Kurosanji has shown everyone just how much of a black company they are and they are uniting behind Dokibird.

The hilarious thing will be when she passes Elira in subs in the next few days

>>68977735
Pretty sure SC is the only metric she was dominating. She definitely did not move more merch than top holos, let alone Pekora.

>>68962936
kek

>>68972806
And are those normal people with us right now?
Why don't they watch her then?

>>68975991
>suicide attempt before they can terminate you
new meta

>>68972619
>petra 507k
why did the penguin become so popular

>>68967575
How’d that work out for Zaion?

>>68962711
She has more CCV than all of NijiEN combined right now.

>>68967654
1 flip femboy a d 2 hags

>>68962711
Speedrun 1 M
However after reach 1M, u all know wat happen to the channel

>>68972619
Rosemi...

>>68967571
I hope it gets worse, this is so fucking funny.

>>68967495
My imouto watches CookieSwirlC on her iPad on the rare times she uses it. Would fuck her (CookieSwirlC, not my sister).

>>68986515
thanks for clarifying.

>>68962711
her ccv will be 10k in a few weeks and will be 5k in a few months

>>68988107
Coco pulled 5k most of the time lmao, imagine thinking it means anything. What matters is how many whales you can harpoon, and Doki's bullying/suicide story and obvious mistreatment by peers/management is one hell of a harpoon.