/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68862164
I'm expecting either a Production Kawaii style company mandated character assassination of Selen by the talents or a full-on mutiny against management, no middle ground

>>68862378
I doubt they even mention selen's name

Don't care, I'll be watching Doki play my childhood games while fucking around on my old account

>>68862164
I wonder if this going to be like the Yapari park time when they used the voice actress to apologize instead of doing it themselves.

Nijisanji good

>>68862164
My predictions are TLDR; stuff that management should be saying to regain their audience's trust but they ousted onto their talents so it's extra appealing.

>>68862680
>Implying they'll apologize

>>68862719
only 2 people retired
it's not THAT bad

So they are going to read a script.

>they have proof Selen was in the wrong

>Selen could have graduated at anytime
OK so, they HAVE to know all of this sound like bullshit, fuck of Vox.

Man this Elira girl sure sounds like a dude

>>68866024
have you heard of the phrase "nijisanji girls only collab?"

MUTUAL ASSURED SELF DESTRUCTION TIME

IT IS RECKONING HOUR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc

Man when you don't really give a shit about either side this whole thing is pretty funny

>>68866177
no because thats not a real thing

>>68862164
I don't know that all of these m*therf×ers Vox is the main culprit.

>>68867764
I am pretty sure selen is a villian herself , it just happened that now they were outplayed

>>68862164
>What's up everybody, this is cr1tikal. As of today, I'm in charge of Ninja Sanji English. I don't really give a shit about vtubers, but a Kingdom Hearts character told me that he would give me $100 million if I took the job, so of course I dove right into that money pile like Mr. Krabs. All other management staff has been fired, and that talents now get a 50/50 split of everything. He seemed to think this was the only PR move that could save the company. On one hand, given his connection to Disney, I'm not sure if he knows what he's talking about, but on the other, I'm here, so he must know what he's doing. But I'm probably just gonna forget about this whole thing within two weeks. Anyway, that's about it. See ya.

They're too deep in the Kool aid to be saved, sad to see things end up like this

>>68862164
This is really finally unironically
The Final Yab

Can't watch right now, who else is in the video other than Elira? Everyone?

What the actual genuine fuck is happening with this fucking company

>>68868253
The... good ending?

they are basically doubling down and will continue attacking doki by manipulating the information in their favor to save their ass, plus they consider recording evidence as something unacceptable (if you have nothing to hide then recording shouldnt be a problem), and incidentally they confirmed her hospitalization, they dont have credibility anymore, the best the company can do at this point is cut the entire branch.

>>68862164
>Official message
>use liver channel

>>68868809
>Elira
>Vox
>Ike
You now realize the elira clique was true all along

>>68869206
Don't forget that Elira, the dumb fuck, spilled that Millie is mentioned with her specifically in Selen's legal documents.

>hiding behind their livers
fucking retards

>>68869146
The longer they take from the initial announcement and the "additional statement", the more likely the additional statement is a lie.

>>68869206
They're all going to get doxxed in court documents now. Niji just committed a nuclear fuck up.

>7.7K views
>8.7K views
>1.7K comments
HAHAHAHA. I'm not one to trust Google numbers, but I've never seen a video have more likes than views after the 300 view buffer.

Odds they're botting to make it seem like the sentiment is accepted?

Wait, so Elira and Millie were the actual harassers? Fucking Elira?

>>68865865
We litterally know and it's been confirmed that there is a graduation que so how she gonna leave when she wants if she has to wait months to be out. Also she ASKED to graduate and they still realeased their termination notice hit piece. They cannot stop lying.

>>68869771
I don't think it's bots, just a lot of drama fags just like you and I

>>68862164
>selen attempted because a few livers told her nicely to listen to managements

do they really think we would believe this horseshit lmao

>>68869778
Elira is the queen bee, also for being dragon sisters the two only did 1 collab ever.

>>68869778
We don't know. Niji could have forced them to make this statement, and if that's the case, they really should have resigned on the spot, because now they are formally roped into this shit.

IT REALLY FUCKING FEELS LIKE AN ALL OUT WAR RIGHT NOW

>>68869778
Always has been.

Lmao. Just say fucking sorry and move on Nijishitji.
But I guess it is impossible for them.

>>68869771
God damn it I wrote views twice. It has more likes than views, which should be impossible.

>>68870064
>JP side learning about the meaning of "L" from NijiEN
How educational of NijiEN.

>>68870064
>For some reason there are a lot of people overseas who are on the selenium side

There is no way to listen to that announcement and not think NijiEN are absolute monsters who will do literally anything to save their brand, including pitting livers against each other and using them as virtual shields.

>>68870064
>If you're looking at the comments, the letter "L" is written in large numbers
Holy kek

>>68865080
>your honor I have investigated myself and concluded that I am in fact innocent

>>68869771
just look at the comments. everybody is shitting on them

>>68865080
They claim to have proof that Selen was wrong about 1 thing over the hundreds of things she suffered through. OK cool that exonerates all corporations ever.

>>68862164
>posts video with a black thumbnail.
They're really not making is subtle huh?

Disappointed I wish they did this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XspDkqEtWFE

The 6 messages from presumably thousands cherry picked to contest *only* the video point is really obviously manipulatively and disgusting.

>>68862164
It's funny watching sisters go absolutely nuclear right now because they know their mean girls club is going to disappear this year.

>>68871645
anon, doesnt this entire thing seems fishy to you, even a bit?
Rushia is insane but not even her tried to sue Hololive.
She could had let it all go, pcoked the 200k in donations she just go, and have succesful career for the rest of her life, but she went for lawyers against the multimillion dollar corporation: this is clearly insane, even "suicidal" behavior, so to speak

>People offended that Nijisanji is using the talents as shields
>Meanwhile they blatantly admitted who the bullies are
Nothing will "kill" Nijisanji because their fans are braindead and will follow the lying talents no matter what

>>68862164
NIJISISTERS ARE LOSING IT IN THEIR GENERAL HAHAHA

The stream was a black screen, just like the company

>>68872308
kek
>captcha: XDD2

>>68872258
Haven't seen the stream. Who the bullies?

>>68872308
lmao, i hope all numberniggers die in the ensuing fire of riku's yatch

>>68870028
That always seem weird to me. Even if they didn't synergize the first time you might think they would try a few more times. But if there was a personal element...

>>68872570
Elira's clique, people thought that she was going to be spared, but they were naive.

>>68870064
>Overseas Grass
kek

>>68872570
Vox and Ike

>>68862164
Did anybody else notice that Anycolor turned off the ability to retweet any of Pomu's tweets? It's like they're trying to cover their tracks across the board in case she had said anything.

>>68872570
thanks to elira we know millie and enna were mentioned in the legal documents alongside elira herself, soooo yeah all rrats are rial

>>68872071
>nooo the legal system only protects big evil corporations you can't win
nijisanji's about to learn a strong lesson sonny

>>68870064
Thank god L from Death Note is on the case

>>68870064
What site is this?

>>68873325
yahoo finance japan.

>black screen video kek
give me a tl;dr, I 'm not giving them views or sit through 20 minute

>>68872793
>Damn, I spent a bunch of time digging up tweets for evidence, but can't retweet it. If only I could tell people, somehow. I guess Nijisanji wins.
Expecting that to happen seems dumb even for them, so I doubt it.

>>68873432
>clique is real
>salen is actually the bully
>we fear for our lives
>dont bully us or her please

I don't blame the livers, they're being used and manipulated too. They say they think Selen could graduate when she wanted but they don't know anything other than what management tells them. They are being delivered lies and forced at gunpoint to read them. Even if they believe it they're just being manipulated.

>>68872767
>What does L mean? An overseas grass?
lol japs are so funny

>>68873432
Doki bad because she said there was favoritism, but she's wrong because Vox had to delete a tweet once.
Doki bad because her lawyer had a legal document that had personal information of people involved in her lawsuit in it.
Don't harass Doki BTW.

>>68873432
Elira says Doki is lying.
Vox says Doki is a piece of shit.
Ike just being there.

Clown company

>>68873712
And Elira confirmed court documents included Millie and Her

>>68873691
In Japanese laugh = warau = "wwww" = looks like grass = kusa (grass). So they're saying it looks similar to how Japanese people use W at the end of sentences to mean "lol"

AHAHAHAHAH NOW THIS IS REAL ENTERTAINMENT

>I fear for my safety
>Reads the script as if a gun is pointed to her head
>No model so can't blink SOS in morse code
hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>68869146

"There's favoritism in this company, here's some proof I recorded" vs "There's favoritism in this company, but I have nothing to prove it"

Our golden boy doesn't understand what it's like when you gotta have receipts or be told to gtfo

>>68869146
I would say JP should dissolve too but in JP they're used to companies abusing the fuck out of their talent like this

Did they realize the voice changer came off? so first the handwriting is written by a woman then the female talent turns out to be a dude? how shady is this company

>>68869771
The first hour or two of a video/stream on youtube, the viewcount doesn't update properly

t. guy who used to make youtube videos.

>bring up getting doxed in a court document
good job, now people are gonna dig more

>>68862164
can someone run this vid through chatgpt to get a transcript or something? I don't know how chat gpt work

>>68869599
they're really trying to beat wactor huh?

So, uh, are we considering the fact that those livers did not in fact saw those documents and were just reading of the script? I'm rooting for Doki and all, but I imagine them being like "oh no we didn't actually show them anything" in court, which could hurt Doki more than Niji

>>68873432
>Start off with "Rika is going to make a statement too" likely to salvage stock
>Selen gives the usual corporate spiel about how sad it all is, how they don't condone harassment
>Claim that a legal document handled by lawyers having some personal address information is a doxx threat to Selen and Millie (inadvertently cementing them as the bullies instead of rrats)
>Try and frame it that they're scared for their own wellbeing despite the fact it's a fucking legal document
>Vox is coy and speaks in condescending uptalk the entire time
>Says how he was so close to graduating in solidarity but then say the "light" (read: a biased account from the company was enough to make him turn against a friend he supposedly empathized with)
>Says that a conversation between him and Selen was recorded and he felt betrayed and hurt because he gave no consent, as if that undermines the fact Selen tried to kill herself.
>Ike introduces himself again and says nothing substantial

>>68874941
Oops, name from another thread, sorry m8s

>>68872767
>why do gaijins enjoy posting ugly distorted pics
>now this

>>68874941
There is no proof other than Elira's own testimony that she has knowledge of the contents. So even if that is true Niji retardedly shot themselves in the foot trying to draw.

The only thing NijiEN did right was not use their main channel for the stream. They have a lot of organs after all

>>68862378
>I'm expecting either a Production Kawaii style company mandated character assassination of Selen by the talents
damn, this would've been only better if you actually got those trips

>>68875020
>uptalk
What is updog?

>>68875282
>was at 595k when i unsubbed a bit after the stream
>already 3k down
holy fuck

I've seen alot of bad Company PR and cover up shit over the years and this really takes the cake as the dumbest response possible.

What the actual hell was the plan here?

>>68875282
>tfw never subscribed so I can't unsubscribe
Feels bad.

I don't know who any of these people are but I'm gonna side with the indie chuuba against the billion dollar corporation

>>68875546
>Billion dollar
Not for long

>>68875500
This, I wish I could somehow take away another sub despite never subscribing to a Niji.

>>68875546
They lost 3 percent of their stocks after the video.

>this many likes to dislikes
Are sisters retarded or did they just not watch the stream?

So much for /vt/ thinking he was one of the good ones
The whole branch is rotten.

>>68876000
Dislikes are barely a thing anymore.

>>68874308
wasn't his proof basically, "i've also been told to delete my tweets before and there were also things i wanted to do that they said no to"

>>68875020
You typo'd Selen for Elira a few times but this is a good summary

>>68869206
Vox and Ike collabed the most with Selen. They even did tournaments together

>>68875379
Don't talk black, you're not nijisanji

>>68869771
>>68874547
Can confirm, a bunch of techie channels have covered it. The system can't quite keep up, just kinda trusts that views are real at first but hits a point where it slows down to process them more thoroughly before the count updates.

I don't doubt that there are botted likes though.

>>68875880
RIP that exploit where you could rapidly subscribe/unsubscribe and it wouldn't update right, so it would tank the number. You were funny as hell.

>>68870028
>>68872016
>>68872308
>>68876000
Reminder that to call nijifags "sisters" is mysoginistic and problematic.

>>68876123
To be fag, I don't think any of them had a choice.

>>68875955
They are closing in on dropping 20% since this whole termination fiasco started.

Totally negligible btw

>>68876286
>to call nijifags "sisters" is mysoginistic and problematic.

>>68876000
I've been shitting on them but the dislike extension isn't reliable. People unsubbing is a better metric that can't be skewed.

>>68862164
A FREAKIN FORCED SCRIPT! Why is the company hiding behind the talents? LOL

>>68876123
They've learned to avoid apostrophes, I see

So how fucked are the current NijiENers once the branch implodes and they need to find a new corpo to leech onto?

>>68876000
Unreliable measurement but what you can do is compare Doki getting nearly double the likes

>>68876123
>>68876317
Yeah, there's little chance that all of NijiEN are in agreement with what's been going on. Maybe one or two of the golden children, but there's bound to be more than a handful that are having second thoughts about renewing their contracts.

>>68876317
We can't even trust that the tweets are them, so whatever.

>>68876286
i hate women

>>68876000
they are botting, theres more likes than watchers on the video and all the comments are dunking on niji including the top one with 7k likes, theres no way people like this shit without even watching it, the math on other videos on the entire platform dont like

>>68862164
so this is like kadokawa "seiyuu shield" incident?

>>68862378
>Production Kawaii style company mandated character assassination of Selen by the talents or a full-on mutiny against management, no middle ground

I bow to you, o' holy seer anon.

>leak legal documents to organs
>continue to slander terminated organ
>use your organs and their channel to do all of this
What did kurosanji mean by this?

>>68876203
>You typo'd Selen for Elira a few times
FUCK

>"The document sent by Selen's lawyer to Anycolor and then given to us"

>>68874941
>Employees made a public statement where they mentioned reading legal document protected under an NDA, effectively Doxxing EVERYONE to instill bad blood

>>68870044
On one hand, you’re right, on the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if they felt too afraid to quit. I am at the opinion that they were all be forced to make these statements, what, with the script and all, but maybe that’s just me being too nice to the streamers.

>>68868253
>This one didn't happen.
Confirmed, we're in the bad timeline.

>>68876835
God they are fucking retarded.
Thanks for spoonfeeding me, I honestly have no desire to watch their video.

What are the chances JP management knew the documents were supposed to be private, but shared them to relevant livers anyways to drive a wedge between them? Elira, Vox and Ike are being manipulated by management 100% lmao poor guys getting gaslighted into hating each other.

>>68862164
I don't think I've ever been this disappointed by a person in my life. I hope Elira sees that she was wrong to do this and finds redemption.

>>68877105
That's still incredibly stupid to do even if that was their intent.

>>68876944
Their position is only gonna get more awkward from now on

Imagine if Pomu hadn't graduated by now

>>68877105
management seem like assholes so it's probably not unlikely
>>68877126
oof

>>68876539
Well the ones who just sided corpo just ruined their careers. The others have a chance

>>68877126
Fucking F, dude. My condolences. Take a walk or something.

>>68877126
Management probably pressured her into doing it, or said they would get someone else she cares about to do it instead if it wasn't her. Remember they literally hold onto their livelihoods, saying no and quitting takes a lot of courage when it means you could end up penniless. I am disappointed she didn't have the courage to tell them to shove it, I hope she realizes how fucked up this was one day. But I can understand it...

>>68876657
>theres more likes than watchers on the video
There was like 60k people watching live when I clicked on it. It just hasn't updated the view count yet.

>>68877126
It's time to stop funneling your money into the company, anon

>>68876286
okay sister.

>>68877096
It's hilarious if you watch it.
It's wrong in SO many different levels and someone at management decided to not only go live, but also use their livers as a face so if Elira and co. didn't received enough harassment already, they madd sure they will take the brunt of the statement.

They even mentioned that what they saw was a fucking LEGAL DOCUMENT, ergo the things Selen shared were for LEGAL purposes and never intended to be seen public.

In.
What.
Universe.
Was this a good idea?

>>68874205
No Kronii talked about it in members in October 2022.

>>68876630
Based

>>68877389
Is there a list of all who sided with the corpo? Can't watch right now, but I'm curious.

>>68875282
>>68875500
I'm glad I didn't unsub immediately after the termination. This seems like a much more impactful time to do it.

God damn I miss the early Lazusydia days. Fuck Nijisanji to hell for this.

>>68862164
Huh, apparently people are reporting this video as "Harassing / Bullying" on YouTube

>>68877105
>Vox was prepared to graduate in solidarity for Selen's sake
>Gets pulled aside by management
>There. is. no. disharmony. in. Niji. San. Se.

>>68877459
>penniless
>still lives with her fucking parents

>>68877820
Good idea. I'll do the same.

>>68877664
The ones actually on stream were Elira, Vox, and Ike
Elira mentioned that she and Millie are listed in Selen's legal document (like a retard, imagine outing yourself like this)
Enna, Hex, Sonny, Ver, Ren, Alban, and Fulgur all tweeted in support of the company for the stream

>>68877664
>>68875169
>>68872273

>>68862164
Realistically, what are the odds that management called them out to JP just to entrap them into doing this and attempt to take the fall for the company?

>>68877126
stop enabling and rewarding this behavior

>>68877820
lol lmao, but that is actually retarded because it makes it easier for niji to memory-hole this whole thing.

so how much of a shitshow is this Niji expo going to be after this YAB?

>>68877970
>Enna, Hex, Sonny, Ver, Ren, Alban, and Fulgur all tweeted in support of the company for the stream
I think it's just management hijacking all the accounts to copy/paste the video statement.

>>68877820
Anon is not legion....but this once, I'll allow it.

>>68878036
>Managers logging into the accounts

>>68877126
You're getting your first real lesson on women, anon. Take it to heart.

>>68877970
It might be better to just say who wasn't a corpo cunt bootlicker

>>68878172
This just gave me deja vu of the when AR live got cancelled

>>68877634
>never intended to be seen public.
Depends on jurisdiction. Some court records are public.

>>68876800
>and then given to us
>and then given to us
>and then given to us
Seriously what the fuck

There's so much drama around this whole thing that it starts to feel like a nothingburger

>>68878118
No shot this doesn't get cancelled

>>68865865
By illegally leaking legal documents after trying to kill Dokibird?

>>68878118
Its malaysia i dont think they give a shit or at least knows whats going on

>>68877846
damn. Pomu escaped at the last minute, she would have been dragged too, if she hasnt graduated

>>68862378
eyo anon gimme some lotto numbers

>>68878172
>I think it's just management hijacking all the accounts to copy/paste the video statement.
Of course it fucking is, do you think a single Niji EN liver has had unsupervised access to their twitter since January?

>casually admit to third parties reading private communications and court documents
genuinely, literally, the final yab. What the fuck are these morons doing?

>>68878491
>There's so much drama I lost my appetite for drama
7

>>68878491
I fucking wish it was. Then Doki could just play her stupid games and end up in 2-3 view obscurity. But no, Niji had to double down. Even if it's a nothingburger, they just keep inflating this bubble.

>nigsanji and Nigu Nigzumi forced nigen them to defame Selen during a livestream
YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

>>68877459
If that's the case then the only thing I and anyone else can do is cut her off in hopes that it shocks her into reality. The line needs to be drawn and she needs to act now to stop the hemorrhaging and to stop herself from circling the drain. If she stays after this then I want nothing to do with her.

Already unsubbed from everyone awhile ago before all this. Hell, even if Pomu was still around I'd leave her too and I like her the most. Only thing to do is just let em rot into irrelevancy.

>>68878036
>nina's account is locked now
>probably locking other graduated/terminated accounts too
Holy fucking damage control.

>>68878375
Even if they're public, you'd have to know about their existence and dig for them specifically.
For all intentions and purposes the information in that document was obtained nor published with the intent of hurting or exposing someone, but rather in order to make a legal labor case behind closed doors.

The ones who decided to make it public was none other than NijiEN management with the strict purpose of poisoning the well.

>>68875411
Zaion 2.0, worked too well last time and everyone who participated in the dogpile basically faced zero backlash for it despite this souring on them even more than they had before

Being emboldened can be a hell a drug.

>If it worked so well last time, surely, it will work this time r-right? Just gotta keep brute forcing it until it does.

That's your explanation.

So, niji stock is going below 3,000 JPY before the month ends, right? Maybe as soon as riku's yacht stream ends even lmao

>>68878491
that's the thing...
it was a nothingburger
but niji just kept on shitting and shitting and shitting

>>68878661
Of course not man. All those canceled streams and event? Niji has no trust or freedom.

>>68878118
>Sorry guys nothing from that super mega small part of the big ship yacht that is nijisanji called "nijisanji EN" in this event for things not disclosed by the legal department PLEASE GIVE US MONEY.

>>68877389
I'd still be wary of the ones who were silent

even if selen is in the wrong here AND also loses the legal battle, my opinion of nijisanji and their talents have been tarnished by THEIR OWN actions and words FAR more than anything selen has done. even if selen had a "bpd episode" njsj's handling of this all publicly is fucking abysmal.

i refused to believe the rumors about harassment & i refused to believe nijisanji's statement about harassment allegations at first because selen's wording in her initiate tweet was so vague that i, and i believe the rest of the public believed she was talking specifically about management. i don't recall an instance of her ever mentioning harassment from specific coworkers. i felt bad for the njsj streamers because they really seemed like they were between a rock and a hard place.

but then they went and aired all this dirty laundry themselves, and for what? that's the part i don't really understand. vindication? disagreements, betrayals, conflicts between former friends are natural and whatever elira, vox, ike might be experiencing right now about their former friendship with selen are all valid, but that ABSOLUTELY, 100% has no place in a public statement especially regarding legal matters. my opinions of them would still be intact had they not released this statement and now i'm just like, this is how you handle failed friendships in the court of public opinion? i really expected better, and ike, vox, elira were some of my favorite streamers. now the public HAS to take a side between selen or themselves/the company. it's a far worse situation than before.

i guess ike isn't entirely at fault here since all he said was "let's leave it to the legal team now" but it begs the question, why didn't everyone just do this to start with? nijisanji is the one that aired EVERYTHING leading up to selen's termination. absolutely NONE of that was necessary, and everyone could have come out of this PR disaster less damaged than now. it's insanity. it doesn't even matter who's at fault to me anymore.

>>68878818
I hope other Nijis including her see the success Doki has in going indie and bringing her fanbase across and jumps the sinking ship for the shores of indie freedom. Never ever fucking trust a corporation.

Drama aside imagine if Selen didn't graduate and management eventually got back to her but not every organ consented to being in the video, so she just released the same exact thing but with those people awkwardly whited out like picrel. That would have been extremely funny.

>>68869778
Is Enna going to be dragged down with Millie? Their past lives were friends before joining.

Actually we can't say anyone joined Niji, more like Conscripted.

>WE'RE TOO BIG TO FAIL
>We'Re ToO bIg To FaIl
>we're.... falling...

What do you know. Selen didn't tell the full truth. She was breaking rules. Instead of sending the MV to her manager to be checked, she uploaded it without authorization from her manager. My god, how many people have been fooled by this fat Asian bitch

AND THIS... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER... BEYOND!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>68878693
They aren't third parties, they're the lovers of the company so they're part of the company that's being sued
If they are counted as third parties, it still wouldn't be illegal to share the document since the document involves different livers so they are to be showed the document to reduce risk of harm to themselves

>>68877248
You’re completely correct, they should be getting out ASAP, but fear and bullying is a powerful motivator.

>>68879324
Millie you need to understand that you're going to lose your job soon.

>>68879389
livers are lawyers now?

>>68879347

status?

>>68879324
That is correct, but it doesn't make Niji any less retarded at handling this whole thing

>>68879466
Can't refute any of my claims. People just see big company vs individual and always side with the individual before the full story comes out. Then they fall for the "I tried to kill myself" sympathy shit

>>68879517
Yeah when they said on the announcement that the legal document had their personal info on it I could only think "Uh yeah... duh? It's a legal document" how can Niji shoot itself in the foot any more than they already have? They just keep straight up admitting shit in their defense.

>>68876123
the thing is that the talents are not in full control of their accounts, so it could be very well management using the account.

Don't forget the snake's around you

I said this in another thread but the video may be AI generated. Kurosanji Management isn’t above AI generating their own Talents voices and there are too many artifacts and inconsistencies in the audio for me to believe it’s real

>>68879531
kek

>>68879389
Anon, the "attorney's eyes only" designation exists

>>68877126
F

Sorry bro...set yourself free and find a better oshi, good luck to you

>>68879818
Better start getting your resume ready Millie hope they don't reject you outright for being in Niji lmao.

Seems like return youtube dislike is finally updating.

>>68879389
holy fuck this post actually cracked me up
Imagine a random employee demanding to see company contracts and litigations because "he's part of the company"

>>68879923
NO
NONONONO
DON'T GIVE THE RRATS ANYMORE POWER, MY COCK CAN'T HANDLE IT

>>68879636
How? She broke the rules multiple times. What else should they have done? People need to wait until the full story comes out. By the time it does, they have already made up their mind. She's not innocent.

>>68880107
I'm interested to see it in a couple of days

>>68877126
t.

>>68879923
Vox and Elira DID sound off now that I think of it

>>68876286
nijiniggers

>>68879389
You have no idea what you are talking about. If it is a confidential legal document, being mentioned in it, even being the subject of it does not automatically give you the right to see it.

>>68877126
Well atleast 30% of that went to Youtube all this time, anon.

>>68879923
I checked, eleven lab only give 2% possibility of being ai generated, dunno about other detect method

>>68880258
huh?

>>68878935
>Even if they're public, you'd have to know about their existence and dig for them specifically
This is not always true. Still, you're right about everything else.

>>68872071
Nijisanji tried to kill Dokibird.

We frown on that in the west. Japanese Black Corporation is about to find out how much we frown on that in a Canadian court.

>>68880187
Anon, she broke rules. Niji broke the law.

Imagine using your workers to defend your ass instead of taking responsibility and handling it for the talents. To the end, they do nothing for their livers, absolutely pathetic

>>68878048
100%.
Niji upper management have proven time and time again to have the same mindset as a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>68879104
This.
There is no point for the chuba in a company to make a statement like that. They do not gain ANYTHING from that. They did not improve their reputation, or soothed the public opinion, in fact now they have a big target on their backs and people won't forget that.
I wish this company would just burn down and remove itself from the western vt space, it's disgraceful

>>68880107
It only works for people who have an account along with the extension on though. Youtube is an ass for removing that feature in the first place

>>68880187
Anon they just broke the law
How can you defend that

>>68879923
bro please god please take your meds you actually need them

>>68878853
Every graduated niji talents gets have their account locked forever. Its a norm with graduated/terminated Nijisanji talents

>>68880390
>still membered
Can you not pick up context clues unless they have red circles and arrows around them?

>>68880516
standard jp practice
rather, standard corpo practice

Im still confused

what kind of lawsuit was niji even angling for out of this? defamation?

or are they just stupid?

>I felt *pfft* threatened *holds in laugh*
kek. very organic script reading.

who are these no dimes nijien faggots anyway? i dont watch this shit.

>>68873137
what happenes if he gets doxxed though? Kira will Kira him.

>Agreement that this is all between doki/selen, the lawyers, and management
>Company drags EVERYONE into it
.......Just...wow. I work for a small company (does some shady shit on the side btw) that can barely give it's employees healthcare but even they aren't this retarded or scummy.

>>68880720
They're suicidal

>>68880694
what?

>>68880602
Yeah, but it usually ends up providing a fairly accurate estimate of the true number of dislikes. After a while at least, I think the ratio is still settling.

>>68862164
Lel I hope they get sued into the ground
-

>>68879923
Anon I know what we witnessed was one of the most retarded decisions any group has made in recent human history but we gotta accept it.

>>68880720
Their stocks tanked after Selen was terminated, so someone thought that this was good damage control to get things back to normal.

>>68879517
Doki's lawyer has to be laughing like a maniac tonight.

>>68880720
they want doki to self destruct and/or be intimidated, it's not about the law.

>>68880720
Well, either they are masterminds who are trying to bait her into large-ass lawsuit that would be passed from Canada to Japan and subsequently dismissed, leaving her broke, OR they are complete retards. Your call.

Why do they keep feeding him?

>>68880720
>defamation?
probably, considering defamation lawsuits in japan are woefully biased towards the "defamed", even if the statements are true
and probably are so inept that they think they can pull it off in the west

>>68879324
Sure, I agree that Selen should have waited for the MV to be properly checked and released.
Management is still in the wrong. Far, far more in the wrong compared to Selen. You fags seem to forget that things would not nearly be this bad if MANAGEMENT didn’t air their dirty laundry out with the termination letter. Specifically, telling on themselves with the entire bullying situation.

HOLY SHIT MOOMEI THROWING SHADE AT NIJISANJI
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1757234902024835546
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1757234902024835546
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1757234902024835546

>>68880830
I guess it's contagious. They'll sue Selen for spreading her suicidal tendencies to them.

>>68879923
AI can't replicate Vox's involuntary smug laughter at his own vastly miscalculated sense of superiority over the situation

>Sir, our smear attempt against Selen was an abject failure; the entire vtuber community has now rallied behind Dokibird and we're losing fans as well as sponsors every day...
>Well do it again but even harder! Throw the other talents under the bus if you have to, we MUST ruin her reputation no matter the cost!
What was their line of thinking here?

>>68881021
He's really been eating good the past few weeks.

>>68868253
I wish

>>68881284
There's a reason every one of Tazumi's business ventures failed.

>>68879104
Unironically, they need a capable western lawfirm and PR outfit.

The longshort is somebody is going to have to explain to nipnong legal that the only real way out of this is a negotiated settlement and to cut this clean off. They're also gunna need some significant good will building, probably at least 2 year's worth.

>>68879389
You think Amazon tells every warehouse worker that they're getting sued? Each and every time that a wrongful termination lawsuit appears?

so how long until they start deleting comments? someone might wanna keep track

>>68874802
https://pastebin.com/Hc4TWkAK
I used whisper to transcribe the text.
I have no Idea of what those last lines mean, the AI came up with it from the audio.

>>68879912
who?

While all of this is happening
>A twitch roach isn't streaming
You whore, hag, vodka drinker. Get your fat ass in here!

>>68881356
Fuck he's growing faster than any niji has in the last year

>>68881031
>in japan
Niji is a Japanese company, but the defendant and damage was done in Canada by the English branch. Their first move will probably be to desperately try to get the case moved to Japan, because I seriously doubt Doki's lawyer filed it there.

>>68862164
I understand Elira, Vox, and Ike are adults with agency. That being said, fuck Anycolor for puppeting them in order to release this statement. Fuck, why did the statement have to be THIS? It could have been a statement dispelling the fears of their remaining fans that the remaining livers are being taken care of and the livers want to do their best for not just their fans but also for each other as coworkers. Even if the majority in the public wouldn't buy it, it was the best ending NijiEN could hope for at this stage in the game. Say little about the legal stuff if at all. Now the remaining goodwill of the three livers you used are tarnished and it will likely get worse if the legal issues continue being dragged out like this. God I hope for the three of them, their livelihoods were being threatened to hell and back by corporate. Gun to the back of their head. Because boy, why would you choose to be the retards to read this script? Outside of being among the retards complicit in the bad work environment, that is.

>>68879324
Even if they're right on this one point (hard to say because they cherry pick 6 messages out of presumably thousands), so what?

This is a CLASSIC abuser tactic. You abuse and manipulate someone for years and then when they act out of defiance and rebelliousness due to being mentally fucking broken, you point out how they did a bad thing and blame them for breaking the rules.

You think someone just goes and and just trashes up the place that is responsible for their success and livelihood because they felt like it?

What is missing from their pathetic excuse about the video is an explanation about the years of abuse and mismanagement that affected Selen that caused her to be defiant about the video and *maybe* broke the rules.

This is also how they're abusing the other livers here. Those other livers have not seen the years of abuse that broke Selen, they only see the couple 'activity policy violations' she has and assume she is a horrible person. I hope they realize how they've been manipulated soon.

aren't they contractors?

with that being the case, even the shoddy excuse that they aren't third parties wouldn't fly

>the entire video is marked as self promotion
HOLY KEK

>>68879324
Yea. Sure, Nijisanji employee. You must know everything that happens inside the company do you?

How much of your salary is in stock options that is tied the crashing ANYCOLOR's market value?

>>68881556
The pomudachi that did most of the chibi animations of Pomu that she use to have on her stream

>>68879324
I don't even like Selen or care about any of this and niji is wrong

>>68862164
> a message from nijisanji
> it's all black
my_sides.jpg

guys what the actual fuck is going on I just woke up

>>68879324
One day soon your checks are gonna bounce.

>>68880694
What makes you think I'm still membered?

My brothers and sisters in Christ, you could've seen the message from Niji managers to participate in this video and told them to fuck off or you're quitting. They asked you to do something illegal. Not only illegal, it has the potential to ruin your career as a liver because this shit will follow you now.

To those /here/, get a fucking lawyer. Now.

>>68874941
>but I imagine them being like "oh no we didn't actually show them anything" in court
Not how it works, if it's a civil suit the bar is "more likely that not" aka +50.01%
Trying that kind of manipulation would have a judge seeing red btw so even if you actually can prove it you wouldn't go for that strategy

>>68881607
They can't do that. Literally. It doesn't matter if they're a Japanese company, they have a branch in Canada and have hired Canadian talent. They are fully subject to Canadian laws.

The only thing they could do in this scenario is either fight it in Canadian court or pull out of Canada entirely and tell the court to fuck off.

>>68881701
>fuck Anycolor for puppeting them in order to release this statement.
Elira at least, was named in the legal document along with enna and millie in regards to bullying. This is her own fault and the clique rrat was proven true.

>>68862164
Look at this another way
>Be marketer for company
>Make ad and send it in for approval around Christmas eve and Christmas time
>Manager tells you the ad has discontinued products in it and has to run it through upper management first. Tell you to wait and NOT release the ad
>You release it anyway
>Manager is disappointed and temporary takes down ad. No harm done. Just wait for upper management to look at it during Christmas time.
>You disregard their instructions and in defiance tell your massive fan following to spread the erroneous ad around anyway
>You are then surprised that your employers decide to fire and blacklist you
Don't know what she expected

>>68881998
>See perks button instead of the Join button
Unless that's not your screenshot, but then why the fuck did you post it?

>>68881981
ask elira, vox and ike

>>68881556
sorry not a nijifan, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
the person I mean

>>68881981
6th trumpet maybe more to come

I'm actually beginning to think that Selen might be mental and clueless and is gonna get btfo somehow.

still just boggles my mind that selen's original behavior (being outgoung, securing contracts and talents herself, reaching out to rightsholders directly) would have been celebrated/rewarded within the american corpo sphere...especially at her tenure - this feels like a textbook mountain-molehill situation

>>68880633
What law did they break?
People are able to share private documents to others if the document contains information that could harm others. Information like addresses and what they said in private being wiretapped is definitely information that could harm the people working in Niji

>>68881981
7th trumpet

>>68880187
Maybe shut up???? Not make any more incendiary statements???? Honestly everything that mikeneko has done was way worse than this but not a word from Hololive or any of their talents. Go figure

>>68878048
They probably had literally Yazuka behind them when reading this script.

>>68881031
Do you think the Japanese army is gonna march into Canada and drag Doki out of her house? I think North Korea just sentenced you to 300 years of labor camp for being retarded.

>>68882051
Except it's not an ad. The ex-livers weren't out of place, and Niji already owns their IP.

>>68881419
yeah. the only thing that became 100% clear to me from this entire debacle as a HUGE nijisanji fan, is that they have absolutely no idea what they're doing in the western market and haven't done shit to learn about the culture of a demographic they're trying so hard to push into. this is something they should have done to start with if they were serious about expansion.

>>68882206
Noooo you see anon, in jap black company being resourceful and ambitious is BAD!

>>68882128
uh, pretty sure they found corpses in that wreckage
2 by the by...

>>68881981
Every NijiEN rrat is real.
Tazumi is throwing livers under the bus and they're happily rimming him while he's doing it.
Dokibird is about to sue Anycolor for multiple violations of Canadian law, including letting livers read private legal documents that were only meant for lawyers.

>>68882308
I'm on selens side overall but it was still a pretty retarded move

>>68882051
Look at this another way
you're a retard

>>68881740
oh so there actually is a community notes equivalent on youtube, nice

>>68882051
You forgot
>constant updates for over a year on what the video is and what is in it
>manager has to sort NDA's out but constantly fucks it up
>otherwise constantly ghosts her

>>68882226
In what universe? Have you never heard of document classification?

>>68882181
remember yozakura tama and rushia? these bitches is not 100% innocent

>>68882051
Even if this is the right way to frame it (it probably isn't) see this:
>>68881718

>>68882117
Are you retarded or something? I did it to show that I've been a member since the day she opened memberships and that I'm disappointed by her horrible choice to be involved in this.

>>68882481
He's probably one of the Niji managers.
Would explain why he has literally no idea how anything works.

they unironically thought the drama was their ally,
that digging up dirt on her would shift the tides into waves of "SELEN DOXXES NIJIEN???"

>Elira
>Enna
>Millie
Exactly who everyone thought it was. Still funny as shit she publicly confirmed it though.

>>68882039
>they have a branch in Canada
Kek, I didn't know that. Nevermind then. Bon voyage, Riku.

>>68873432

>>68879389
They're not even legally employees. Their contractors. That's how niji can get away without paying a salary

>>68882657
sirs...

Can doki just do a class action lawsuit against niji with her fans at this point???

>>68881998
membershiop stays until the month you have paid for has run out.

GOODBYE 590K HAHA

A holosister got accidentally grandfathered into a high ranking management position and decided its going to be their mission to destroy NijiEN from the inside, you can't convince me otherwise

You'd think a bunch of girls pretending to be anime characters while playing video games would be a pretty simple gig. But no, somehow all this drama and a fucking suicide attempt happen.

>>68882900
Yeah, me.

>>68882719
rrats are NEVER wrong, only delayed in the the truth being revealed. /vt/ could start a Private Investigator company and have an unbelievable success rate and I mean that sincerely.

>>68882900
holo doesnt care about niji. only niji cares about holo.
its like how america doesnt give a shit about canada.

>>68882476
AIIIIIIIEEEE DON'T DESTROYS SISTER BAD FAITH CONTEXTUALIZATION
PLS FOLLOW SCRIPT !!!

>>68882958
Literally everything went downhill as soon as Elira nepo'd Millie and Enna into the company.

>>68881980
HAHAHA KEK fucking hell anon I just spat my drink
why didn't I think about this until just now lmaaoooo

Do you think everything will just go back to normal?

>>68882958
It is. This one just happens to be particularly mentally ill.

>>68882885
Before everyone in nijien started to lose subs, how many did she originally had? 600.000?

These idiots think they can somehow excuse an employee suicide attempt due to extreme distress caused by the work environment they created. There is no amount of "Ohhh but she broke a rule once"-ing your way out of this you fucking black corp.

>>68882476
You also forgot
>Managers don't speak English and have contempt for the livers

Just how bad is this for them? Is Doki going to end up owning them?

>>68882226
>wiretapped
Lmao, look up Canadian law on recording consent

>>68883096
Things will always settle but their reputation is irreparably destroyed in the west

>>68883177
She is going to get at least 1 of Riku's yachts.

>>68882880
Oh shit I'm sorry, let me just be a time traveler and go back to January to cancel before she decided to throw Selen's corpse into a meat grinder.

>>68882051
What actually happened
>Make ad for Christmas
>Get approved
>The day before you double check and ask for aproval again
>37 hours later: 8PM CRHRISTMAS DAY they tell you no based on a rule they just invented

>>68882958
The thing about vtubers is that no normal person becomes one.

do the interns know their IPs are being logged in this pozzed site
>muh VPN
with entry points from canada, japan and philippines / malaysia ... lol

>>68883177
Legal proceedings can be very long and complicated.
The best thing for us is that this fiasco is suffocating their talents and killing growth.

>>68862378
A prophet rises, we truly are living through the final yab

>>68883375
>Get approved
Literally didn't happen

>>68883177
We don't know yet but man, this shit really made Selen new indie career blow up. Most people in her side and a lot of huge internet have covered the situation. No wonder she has over 400k subs now.

>>68882958
It is a simple gig, look at Hololive. They started from nothing and all they had to do was not drive their talents to suicide. I know, very hard to do for Nijiniggers.

>>68883177
Really, really bad. The sharing of confidential documents is a slam dunk in Canadian courts by itself and if she chooses to add on the receipts for the no doubt countless employee protection laws these black niggers violated then they are megafucked. I'm no expert in law but I'd be thinking a couple milly settlement.

>>68879104
This. Their entire statement feels so fucking blind and pointless it's just mindboggling they thought it would clear up anything really. The timing is really gay too, right as Doki fired up her Neopets

>>68883177
If Nijisanji management is as inept and bureaucracy filled as it's been for the last few years, then yeah I think Doki has a chance but it's 60/40 at best.

>>68883476
like mikeneko? subscribe numbers dont guarantee anything

>>68880952
I mean she would've hired a Canadian lawyer.
Best case, Niji has American lawyers that live up north, much likely some kind of international firm that only primarily deals with IP/rights shit

>>68883466
Anon, artists confirmed it, she didn't magically show up with the MV the day before
If your next reply is also this retarded i will use ChatGPT

Jesus Christ at this point you might as well say the names.
What a fucking mess.

>>68872071
>Rushia is insane but not even her tried to sue Hololive.
You realise people sometimes do sue when they have a good reason to, right?

>>68881605
oh the irony

>>68882051
How the mv went down is low on the totem pole of arguments, that's "one" of the catalysts to the actual shitshow currently happening

>>68879164
The ones involved in this are kinda fucked now, which only makes things even worse, that AnyColor forced them to give a statement. Even if they leave now and go indie, they're not gonna lose the label of backstabber.

>>68883466
Why would she bankrolled the project if the management didn't approved it first ? Are you retarded ?

>>68882958
vtubers are a different niche compared to your average lets player or much harshly twitch streamers even

>>68883125
This time last month she was at ~603k

>>68883177
Honestly, I could see Nijisanji EN running through all its current contracts and then shutting down entirely, assuming they don't completely restructure management and get their shit together.

It's almost like in their rush to beat Hololive/Holostars EN to market prominence, they forgot that they were dealing with an international beast.

>>68872071
>Rushia is insane but not even her tried to sue Hololive.
Because she was in the FUCKING WRONG AT EVERY TURN 300%. ON. EVERY. THING!

>>68883676
no? the situation is not similar at all as far as I know

so like, can I buy stock in hololive or something

>>68882988
The power of OSINT and crowd sourced intelligence, my friend

Which one of you flagged the whole video as spam in sponsorblock?

NijiJP can't be so stupid to not see the sentiment on social media right? Fearless forecast: Riku's scheduled statement is going to get cancelled like the AR Live was.

>>68879517
They don't have to be
> examples of where you may disclose personal information without consent: if there are reasonable grounds to believe that the disclosure is necessary to assess, reduce or eliminate a risk of serious harm to a person or group

If Nijisanji has grounds to assume that the information of the livers in the document could put them in risk of serious harm, they are legally allowed to show them the document. Especially if Selena chooses the option to make the case public

>>68883849
There are dedicated fans they could probably still rely on and if they see the light they can talk about it and apologize.

>>68881021
Pyro secretly manages Niji and he wantd FalseEyeD to get all fat and shit

>>68884019
>nijiJP
>caring about a bung of freeloaders in the west
hmm
they still own the chinese and SEA market with their homos and mass produced shitter from bili2

>>68883341
Sorry, replied to the wrong post. I'm agreeing with you.

>>68884020
You seem to be lost, sister, this isn't leddit.

>>68884146
I dunno. Once you show that you're willing to sell out your supposed friends if your boss tells you to, there's no real good way of coming back from that. People won't be able to trust you because you've already shown you're untrustable when it comes down to it.

>>68883724
>Jesus Christ at this point you might as well say the names.

That's the funny part, THEY DID! By stating who was mentioned in the documents Doki submitted via her lawyer under NDA, we know it was Elira, Enna, Millie, Vox, and Ike.

The only reason we knew there was even bullying involved is because Nijisanji said so in their press release, and now the only reason we know who the bullies were is also because Nijisanji fucking said so. Remember that at no point did Doki reveal any of this; Nijisanji VOLUNTEERED this information of their own free will

>>68883724
The stream literally admitted that Elira, Enna, and Millie were listed in the harassment court documents. All the rrats about the clique that Nijisisters vehemently denied were true all along.

>>68884019
Well considering the entire JP audience is siding with the company, they won't give a fuck over some stupid gaijin drama