/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I'm going to bully OP's asshole.

>>68493920
Being spiteful won't make things any better since niji is currently getting blasted by dramas and hate without her adding more KEK

HAHAHAHAHHAHA
CLIQUEFAGS BTFO
IT WAS MANAGEMENT

>>68493920
Would be nice if this was said before this entire board and all of southeast asia began harassing the only people that actually spoke to her.

Not a good look if you've cultivated a fanbase that'd need to get reigned in in the first place, hopefully it's just the dramafags

>>68493920
Leaves a bad taste in my mouth honestly, like I get her reasoning 100% but ultimately not naming anybody means the person who did it (or persons) is still at large, they'll be able to carry on with their career, stay at NijiEN or reincarnate if they're a vtuber, or if it's all management they'll be able to keep working in the industry abusing others.

If bullies go unpunished they will continue to bully. You are enabling bullies by letting them get away with it.

>>68493920
>waits two days without saying anything to let niji immolate itself
>takes the high road in her statement after the fields are already burning
masterful play

>>68494718
If nijisanji wanted to do anything to save face they should say they are doing an internal investigation, then just never give results. Like companies, cops, and politicians do.

nice to say, hopefully the board calms down with this

Translated for mouthbreathers that don't understand morals: "If you go after people, I will look bad by association. So don't."

>>68493920
She's obviously saying this because it was one of the livers. Otherwise she would have clarified that it wasn't any of the livers. Like how tf would you harass a specific person on management?

>>68494579
>hopefully it's just the dramafags
Do you know where we are?

>>68494718
if she names them the NDF would harass her to no end anon

>>68494718
If rrats are true, several members are self immolating to bring down the whole branch. They'll continue their careers anyways, just like Kyo will after barely escaping any possible backlash.

>>68493920
Dramafags rn
https://youtu.be/E7eqqk-z8cw

>>68493920
Wow 2 hours of unimportant stuff to say ah yeah don't harass anyone shit she didn't have any friends in there? I thought she was going to defend rosemi at least. She could have say that on Twitter

>>68495079
This. There was no, "hey, you guys have it all wrong, these people are my friends." Rrats stay winning.

>>68494939
Shame. I wanted her to drop the info. Quit the theatrics and show us the full shitshow

>>68494889
While I agree, siccing a bunch of possibly deranged internet strangers onto them and leaving things up to uncontrollable mob justice isn't the right way of going about it.
If there's legal channels to handle things behind the scenes properly, then that should be what she should look into.

>>68495172
Not even pomu, everyone was a traitorous scum it seems.

>>68493920
Don't you understand, she wants the pleasure of being the one to tear them apart through the legal way. If random bozos on the internet do it because she's said who did it, it's not gonna have the same outcome on her side.

>>68493920
she was about to cry before reading that so I imagine she's still afraid or sensible about the whole thing

>>68495079
yeah this basically confirms both livers and management were at fault. clarifying that her lawyer also approved everything and that she had to get one while in hospital also means that what anycolor did was absolutely illegal and that she's aware of it

>>68494939
The point was she made no profit while being in Niji last year anon, who gives a fuck about bullies, just donate and she'll feel better. She has to make up for the lost $200k.

>>68494718
have patience

>>68494889
nah giving people the power go full vigilante just turns your environment into a mixture of detroit and the salem witch trials

>>68494410
you're an actual retard who fails any instructions at all aren't you?

>>68495172
Shes a BPDtard, this was expected for everyone who watched her. She never once called for harassment of her coworkers to stop, even when her fans were doxxing them over a /u/ship.

>>68495079
Also it doesn't look good for her lawsuit or what ever legal thing she said she was in

>>68494718
it was enna

>>68494410
Why not both?

>>68494718
You do realize that when Nijisanji being the one who started the witch hunting, the responsibility of naming the culprit falls on them right? Selene just wants to move on doing her own thing, the one who makes this complicated is Nijisanji and only Nijisanji

>>68495332
No, I understand. If she can sue them then it will permanently damage Nijisanji's reputation and force them to not let it happen again. It would also be extremely funny.

>>68494718
this is the best outcome. even from the absolute most cold and cynical perspective. if doki started throwing out names, especially during her return stream, she'd be cultivating a community and content culture centered around vindictive drama. you could argue that would be a nice boost for immediate CCV and get her trending, but long term? she'd alienate every potential sponsor and collab partner.

it's also just, frankly speaking, not healthy. and i'm happy she's taking the high road and leaving them all behind with this

>>68494718
Just move on, dramafag
Her fanbase is ready to

>>68493920
>Lets not point the finger at any one
>Just let the whole ship keep burning itself
Niji sub count tumbling down tumbling down, KEK

>>68494718
The entire NijiEN branch is already done for, reputations have been ruined and the financial future of the branch is dead. The best thing she can do is move forward.
She has this brief moment where she's at the center of the entire world of EN vtubing. Rather than waste this extremely precious time feeding dramafags who will never, ever give her anything in return, she's using it to feed the people who will become her future fanbase with good, fun streams, and doing things she never could have done in Nijisanji. This is perfect for her.
I spent the entire stream terrified that she was going to say something stupid and legally actionable at the end. Couldn't be happier to hear that she hired a lawyer.

>>68494718
Judging by today, the remaining nijis and their orbiters will just leak it themselves eventually lol

>>68495845
It's honestly the best play in her position.
Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.

>>68494718
Not her responsiblity anymore, she no longer work with said company.

>>68495919
it was literally the dullest shit I've ever seen in my life

>>68494718
It's a shame but ultimately, its a high risk, low reward move.
If she dropped names, she would be attacked by the vtuber fans and nijisanji at the same time, it would be a he said she said situation that could be turned in her favor but its not guaranteed to work.
In the end, it's much better to prioritize mental health rather than trying to gamble for justice.
As for the "innocent livers", they better be queuing up for graduation because the more they stay there te more they will get fucked by niji and the more sus they will become, is not like they won't have their dedicated fanbase after they leave.

>>68496051
nothing makes me happier than seeing dramaniggers shitting themselves and starving for crumbs.

>>68493920
That's such a woman moment.

>>68493920
This is called 'keeping your hands clean amiss the shit storm.' Niji's already being mobbed and taking L's across the board. They've lost fandom support, lost sponsorships, the artist have turned on them and they keep trying to blame her.
By not contributing to it directly/publicly, taking the high road, she wins.

>>68493920
They are absolutely going to get harassed, and they deserve it. But Doki can’t say that because she could be held liable and I’m fairly certain some current Livers have access to embarrassing personal info about her that she doesn’t want leaked.

>>68494718
Considering how shit NijiEN is the organs are already playing the blame game on each other and moving onto new targets

>>68496051
do you even watch vtubers or are you a tourist from assmongoloid? that was a very normal vtuber stream.

>>68495441
and that's a good thing

>>68494972
>pic
anon that’s exactly how WW2 ended. that quote is dumb.

>>68496052
She did say she had hard evidence and showed it to her lawyer. It wouldn't necessarily be he said she said. That being said it might affect her case later should she engage in a legal fight with anycolor later.

Why didn't she just say "it definitely wasn't X, Y, Z, or A, B, C who pushed me to that point"?

>>68494718
Exposing the bullies so that the innocent ones don't suffer is what Anycolor needs to do now, and that can only happen if the other members put enough pressure. Doki saying any names would be the too risky.

>>68496459
marshall plan and rebuilding of japan worked, unlike the treaty of versailles, not to mention the shit the ussr pulled

>>68493920
>>68494718
Don't people fucking know that when you do this moral high ground bullshit of "don't bother people anymore I don't want to be part of this" you basically let the other side get away with everything?

Unless she's suing them she just dropped a waterbomb on the yacht fire because nijisisters on twitter will be spamming all complaints with "But Doki said to stop." and all those "lets all be friends" faggots will come out of the woodwork to stifle the efforts to destroy niji.

Everytime the major player in drama backs out the drama fucking dies fast.
Niji would have to fuck up AGAIN (maybe the Luca/Aster thing will do it) for the hype to keep going.

>>68496495
wouldn't that just reveal who did, by omission?

>>68495459
>P-P-P-PLEASE BELIEVE MY SCHIZO RRATS WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE
You lost.
>>68495654
I don’t believe it’s happening. There is literally zero proof.

>>68495919
Lawyer thing is big. Hell, let's say she did have a case that could go to the courts, as likely as it is unlikely. Dropping anything now would probably hurt any future cases she does have, and her lawyer probably made sure to tell her that.

>>68496486
She could win but remember, she still unstable, she wouldn't really endure the fight.
Better to let things develop slowly rather than rush and risk having another mental breakdown.

>>68496620
To bad dramafag, go find someone else to leech off of.

>>68496307
zoomies need constant dopamine hits or they get frustrated, please understand

>>68496307
i wasn't aware, but you just posted the major problem. It's all artificial viewership from dramafags like him and Moist, she's milking her victimhood for underserved sponsorships and the like while harming those still tied down.

>>68496495
because it would still incite a witch hunt. her statement was the best, she condemns harassment so it isn't her fault if they get harassed anyways.
Don't worry about the bullies not being exposed, the truth will come eventually.

>>68496576
What actually worked is the USSR's sytemic physical and psychological torture of eastern and central europe for decades until their racial and national pride was completely erased, removing any reason for them to use violence to avenge their neighbors or their family or any other people who they no longer identify as important.

>>68496755
>It's all artificial viewership from dramafags
They'll all fuck off in 2 weeks tops so they're not worth giving any credit

I am so glad she didn't name anyone and I'm glad she got a lawyer to walk her through this. Anyways, I really enjoyed the stream.

>>68496495
>why didn't she just name everyone who DIDN'T do it
is that really the best you could think of?

It sounded like that lawyer was ready to eat them alive. I hope something happens on that front.

>>68496620
You are just looking for Justice and Revenge.
She's looking for peace.
Either way, its not her total fault here, Anycolor had the most influence here, they could have said something or reveal the truth, but that's not a standard on the company, so they chose to throw every talent into the bus instead.
>It's selen's fault for breaching contract, btw she did it for 3 years and we somehow allowed it to happen
>She said she was abused by managment and livers but we had to terminated because she didn't respond do as we said
In any case, EVERYONE should leave that fucking company, their characters and channels are not their anyways, so who gives a fuck? they will leave with the audience and never watch nijisanji ever again

>>68497116
That lawyer is probably drooling at the prospect of a big juicy payout from a big ass company like Anycolor

Remember that Doki and her lawyer have the receipts. Also they're not in any particular hurry to tip their hand just yet.

Also also, in her prepared statement, she did not recant her earlier claims of workplace harassment -- not recanting that claim is why she got fired. That lack of recanting is definitely gonna make someone at Niji EN angry enough to make a legally actionable mistake.

>>68495673
Don't come with that Reddit shitty narrative she knows perfectly well what she was doing by saying she was being bullied on Twitter she's going to get everyone under the bus and she doesn't care good for her but don't make her look like a naive girl she could have said don't bully them on Twitter from day 1 but no, smart but evil girl

>>68496459
anon, the pic is referring to idiots who don’t know the proper time & place of how to properly do it, & so inevitably end up resuscitating the very thing they’re trying to kill.
WW2 was won by doing it properly

>>68495919
this is a good summary actually, there are a lot of benefits for selen/doki to just be the better person here and put on a professional entertainment front only despite everything she -could- do, because in the long run that is going to matter a fuckton more than the drama of the month.

besides, we can see nijiEN is already starting to buckle at the seams in potentially a chain reaction manner from so many graduations in such short time. leakers are starting to pop their heads out on twitter out of the woodwork etc, it is very possible doki will not have to lift a finger and someone else will do the dirty work for her. I'd imagine eventually someone with nothing to lose (isn't already a big name, is out of the company already and/or somehow is not within NDAs) will spill the tea.. but selen has a lot to lose at stake doing this so there's not strong reasoning to expect her to paint a giant target on her back for the remaining NDF (and anycolor itself) to keep going after her and trying to smear her name.

>>68497447
Niji are the ones who first mentioned bullying. She was prepared to say nothing and part on neutral terms. They chose war

>>68497447
>why would anyone have harrassed any livers on twitter, there's no proof
>no one thought about bullying anyone until she brought it up hint hint wink wink
>she's inciting it by mentioning and pretending she's high and mighty
If she had said that you would definitely have called her a fucking agitator lmao
Can't win with you faggots

>>68494889
they will get their time soon enough

>>68497683
Yeah, I find it very strange that they decided to be the ones to bring it up. That seems like it could really end up biting them hard in the ass, unless their confidence stems from some out-of-left-field shock plot twist like Selen being the actual bully.

This just makes the whole thing looking pathetic. The bully will carry on not learning shit from this because they got away with it. Fans are gonna start supporting Niji once again and nothing will come out of it.
Watch out for idiots trying to look morally superior and be performative by claiming that this is not what Doki wants.

>>68496620
>niji reputation among general public is 10 feet underground
>niji reputation among vtubers is 20 feet underground, who the fuck would want to join a company where a talent was almost bullied into suicide
>Doki had a 100+k stream, she retained good relationship with the companies and the community. Ofc the numbers will drop, but she certainly will be able to make a good living of it and she'll do what she loves.
She won, there's no point in trying to lead the all out war. It's messy and will just lead her to Zaion hole, taking breaks cause 'I'm just a rollercoaster of emotions rn'.

>>68497918
leaves* not makes. I'm stressed out by this spineless fuck, she won.

Doki's statements perfectly align with hers

https://streamable.com/26fzn3

"Stop looking for the truth, it doesn't matter anyway"

>>68494718
Maybe the whole atmosphere is rotten. What would happen if she just said a name? Would they be proteted? Would management try to save face? Ultimately, being general calls the entireity of NijiEN into question and maybe that's the pont.

>>68498287
cope, seethe even. dramatards lost hard and will never be the same again.

>Doki tells everyone to quit the bullying
>people continue to rrat and harass vtubers
Well, she's legally in the clear now. The dramasisters can all eat each other while we watch Doki play neopets.

>>68498459
>billion dollar corporation systematically abuses talents
>knife her, stab her, almost drive her to kill herself
>"all is forgiven because muh Chinese superstition"
actual retardation. Woman moment.

>>68494718
anycolor will probably try to sue her if she did name someone.

also, do remember that when Zaion came back initially, people expecting a fire and brimstone all truths revealed shitstorm did NOT get it either, in fact not even remotely close... but, there have been some breadcrumbs here and there over the following months.

mysta and nina also have given various little breadcrumbs that starts to allow the public to paint a picture. it's not at all implausible doki will slowly pad it out crumb by crumb so no one individual statement is incriminating, but we will eventually get a clearer idea of what happened and at the very least start to be able to narrow down the ballpark to who the biggest problem was.

>>68494718

Why give them the rope when they're already in the process of using one themselves, at least now it'd be the first time they paid for something on their own dime

>>68495827
You sound really fucking scared right now.

>>68495172
She talked about her friends for supported her
None of them are still in niji

>>68498661
It's less that and more wanting to go back to normal as soon as possible. They've gone through enough shit, we don't need to keep the suffering going forever just for a small chance to annoy a billion dollar company.

>>68498685
Ajay it's your time to post on X

>>68497683
>>68497792
I know Niji said it first but there is no way on planet earth that she didn't know that by not specifying whether it was the managers or the talents or everyone Troy was going to burn, if she wanted to stop something she would have done it yesterday and she didn't. I don't care if she threw everyone under the bus but she is not innocent and she is enjoying it all.

>>68498787
The suffering will continue as long as that organization exists. She has a chance to change things and she chooses to only save herself. Pathetic. That's not heroic that's pathetic.

>>68498287
Inside job?

>Why didn't she say names!?
>Why didn't she name who didn't do it (effectively revealing who did)!?
Dramacucks are pathetic.

>>68498459
Yes, I don’t see what the problem is. It’s not like she’s going to actively try to stop you from fucking with the organs, it’s just that she won’t support you. Same shit happened with Pippa and Pikamee.

It's kind of the duty of the strongest people in any society to raise their voice and stand up for the weaker people.
Well who is stronger than Selen? She has a chance to change everything. Instead she decides to leave and save only herself.

Sure, Selen can make it as an indie no problem. She's a top-tier. But what about Vivi? What about Scarle? What about the others? They can't manage it so easily. They're stuck in the system and have no other options.

>>68499008
Why don't you fly to Japan and walk into Riku's office strapped yourself then? Don't be a coward anon inshallah!!

>>68498685
The lawyer and hard evidence she has is already pretty big, also
>200k in projects out of own pocket in just the last year, she made no money for herself
Literally what is the point of being in a corpo if they don't support what you do for them, even just financially

>>68494718
bro that's not how any of this works. This shit will not blow over until one of them gets outed or can't take it anymore and outs themself. You know how to catch moles, right? You just douse their holes with a hose until they pop out. The Niji termination post initiated the hose and Doki just cranked the water valve up.

>>68499287
Muslims shouldn't watch vtubers. It's already bad that you live like that Anon.

>>68494718
It's called being an adult, professional, and not burning bridges to the industry at large. Your witchhunt won't be quenched but her vtuber future will remain in-tact, dramafag

>>68494718
All you dramaniggers need to fucking die

>>68499043
Honestly those aren't dramachads, mere fakers. True dramachads deduct and harass those who they think are guilty.

>>68498760
>source
>in my flat ass

>>68498983
She does not have a duty to run damage control for the company that fired her, especially when that damage is self-inflicted.

>>68499310
Get over that Holo does exactly that ,what you should be focusing on is sponsors and artists why they had no contacts to bring in campaigns or anything?

>>68497918
>instead of taking the high road, Doki discloses the identities of the abuser(s) in her return stream
>idiots then start harassing and doxxing the abuser
>Doki finds her new community to be dominated by dramaseekers and sponsors are scared away
>the abuser brings legal action against Doki
>Nijisanji pulls out of EN anyway, but this time they get to claim the western market is "too chaotic" because the talent doesn't just take infinite abuse and their shareholders agree
Morally superior? Yeah, telling her fans not to harass people is morally superior. Even the most cynical reading is that she's only doing to cover her ass in the case that some middle aged woman decides to kidnap Alban.

>>68499256
It's been two days, nigger. You do NOT. EVER. NAME. NAMES. WITHOUT. A. LAWYER. If she wants it to go there she will need to prove it BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. We're not dealing with the western "famous youtuber called me cute on discord when i was 17-and-a-half" type shit. We're dealing with a "traditional" JP company who probably thinks Emperor Meiji was too progressive.

>>68496897
Yes that totally worked and didn't just make all of Eastern Europe hate Russia and align with Western Europe, which Russia is still seething about.

>>68499684
Omg literally you are making copy paste of what they say on reddit , it's not about doing damage control idiot at least understand what I'm telling you she knows what she did good or bad I don't care just don't act like blind people believing she doesn't know what's going on of course she does and she's going to squeeze it to the maximum

>>68496897
and yet as we speak the so called 2nd greatest military is struggling to take one of those countries

The good people will reveal themselves
The bad people will out themselves
Ren and Scarle came out of this looking better than before. Lets see what the rest do.

>>68499008
Next time you get the opportunity to whistleblow just do it in public without legal representation. Be sure to blow up all your friends' shit too - you don't need to ask them in advance or anything. I'm sure showing all the receipts will be enough and everyone will believe you.

>>68499256
I thinks she already did enough, we dont really need names it was enna and millie

>>68494718
It's 100% Niji's fault for putting "bully" in their statement! like WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING? and now anons are witch-hunting

>>68499256
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>68500177
Bringing up not harassing people before anyone has even started harassing anyone else looks like incitement. She would be putting the idea into people's heads and you would be saying the exact same thing
>omg do you think she doesn't know what she's doing by even bringing the subject up

>>68500329
You say that but is Elira a good or bad person? Is Reimu? Most people have no proof that either of them have done anything but "well they hang out with Millie and Enna" Things are not nearly as black and white in this issue as you like to believe.

>>68494718
That's not always a bad thing.
>Bullypanda stays in Nijisanji
>Her victim moves to Hololive and has achieved more success, personally and professionally than Sasaki will ever achieve in life.
Bully's staying isn't always the end of the world.

>>68494718
In the end she wasn't a hero, only an hero.

>>68500177
She's doing it as neutral as possible.
Have you not seen Enna stream yesterday? That shit was so fuck up.

>>68500504
Don't make things up, when did I said she should have said it right when she announced the harassment? Puff If he had said it this morning it would have worked, but she didn't. If you want to believe that she doesn't know what she's doing with a lawyer that's your problem.

>>68500711
I don't know about jp,but I thought her bullying was "banter", did she actually bully the Princess?

>>68496620
She already won, anon. With this incident now everyone knows not only that Kurosanji has awful management but that there are people in that place who bully and harrass others. I'm sure you want them to just be ruined already but in the long run it is better for her to adress this the way she did. But rest assured, their reputation is forever damaged by this.

>>68493920
Honestly can't tell if she's a 5d chess mastermind manipulating everything for maximum success or just an idiot accidentally making all the right moves in this scenario.
>got in as fast as possible at the peak shit storm point to 100k+ ccv
>put off giving dramaniggers what they wanted saying it would be at the end of the stream causing her entire stream to retain 100k+ for nearly the entire thing
>instead of playing the dramatic victim which would have little long term retention she showed everyone what she's like and future content plans for maximum growth
>plugged some stuff while going on tangents
>quick statement and got out
It was so well handled on her end I'm kind of impressed, most vtubers fumble these opportunities.

>>68501040
Don't make things up? Your entire opinion is based on 'what-ifs'. You're literally backseating and judging her on phantom hypothetical actions you made up that you claim she should have taken.

>>68498983
Fucking based, I kneel doki

>>68501232
She absolutely got help from her lawyer with the final part.

>>68500693
Reimu is not a good person because she participated in Nina's harrassment

>>68493920
>11 fucking threads about this bitch
lmao I fucking hate Nijitards so much. Nobody fucking cares about Selen.

>>68493920
Meanwhile, other talents are being bullied like her.

the only thing that I have understood in this fiasco is that all women are whores, except rosemi

>>68502112
>Nobody fucking cares about Selen
What the fuck are you talking about, there aren't any Selen threads you retard. Most of the catalog I see right now is about Dokibird

>>68501034
Aha couldn't she have just done it on Twitter? No, because she knew what she was doing, again good for her I'm sure some of the people she hates will get hurt and people will take revenge for her just don't act like she wasn't fully aware of everything that happens that's life no one is innocent.

>>68501428
Put where I said she had to say it when she put out the first statement wow you can't!!! , and besides you are such an idiot you don't understand I am not judging her I am judging you for believing that someone who already had lawyers and knows all the attention is on her and was waiting until the last 5 minutes of the stream to say something that is leading to a pitched fight doesn't know what she is doing , I don't care if she takes all of Nijisanji for me let her do it.

>>68494718
Nothing ever happens

>>68502196
Damn, your mother is a whore anon ? are you not a workplace accident

>>68502615
*n̶o̶t̶

>>68494718
I'm Selen, and I want to tell /vt/ it was Enna.
I can't name her publicly for legal reasons

>>68501232
Frankly, the fact that she managed to navigate her three years in NijiEN without ever getting caught up on the wrong side of a major yab should be proof enough that her shrewdness is unparalleled. Nobody else was able to keep such a good track record in that company. She's not a genius (there's no way she wasn't at least partially at fault for blowing 200k last year) but she is incredibly sensible.

>>68502899
Hi Selen,
This is Enna. Yes it was me all along. Mwahahahaha

>>68494718
This. She just guaranteed there will be a next victim. And if that victim is not as well liked as Selen, she will go down the Zaion route

>>68494718
They won't for long with the dramatubers hunting them down like a pack of hungry wolves.

>>68495964
This. They're fucking desperate for even an milliliter of relevancy.

>>68502112
>don’t care
>come crying in each of them

>>68499481
>burning bridges
yeah especially when all her supporters do it for her already lmaoooooooooooooo

>>68497447
>Nijisanji LITERALLY mentioned bullying and suicide being the first thing people heard anything about Selene post hiatus
>n-narrative!!!
They literally can let her graduate in peace, or at worst just terminate her with expired contract or 'le NDA broke', full stop' as the reason. THEY choose to make three pages of that shit and painted the blame onto their kidneys, I mean livers

>>68494718
dont worry, all evil people slip on a banana peel they themselves dropped earlier on sooner or later

>>68493920
She will be more than ok now

>>68494328
the kurosanji hate will give the remaining livers the courage to escape

>>68493920
NOOOOOOOO! I WANT BLOOD!!!!!

I remember once reading about this thing called schema therapy. I was going to write a long as hell explanation detailing schema therapy but I got lazy so I'll just jump to the part I really wanted to say: adults solve problems and adapt, and are (of course) able to healthily engage in hobbies and fun pastimes. Selen said to "kept it adult not highschool" which sounded very apt. She decided not to engage in petty drama because she has already solved her problem and therefore feels no need to do anything else. Because she's a true, legitimate grown up.

>>68496664
nta but I also see that you are a retard.

>>68502112
127K people cared last night

>>68497918
How do you know the bully isn't someone that has already graduated or was trying to graduate before Selen got terminated?

>>68498449
I think 100% of even the wildest rrats coming true has given dramatards sustenance to last them another 5 years

>>68497962
>who the fuck would want to join a company where a talent was almost bullied into suicide
Thirdies who would gain financially from being in Niji because the peanuts they pay are still more than they'd get from a job in their poor ass country.

>>68510948
In other words expect more SEA in the next wave.

>>68496459
WOW I'm so glad the cycle of violence was broken and the ramifications of the end of WW2 didn't directly lead into any other conflicts or wars ever! I'm super glad that no states created as a direct result of the peace settlements or governments that solidified their rule with the end of the war went on to kill millions of their own with starvation and internal purges! Golly, it's great that the end of WW2 didn't create any small plots of land like say, an island off the coast of China, or a peninsula by Japan, or a city in Poland or Germany, or some span in the middle east, or break off any other states from empires that people would be going to war over in a few decades. Everyone is super happy with the borders now! It's so nice living in a world where the cycle of violence was broken, and industrialized warfare didn't create vast arsenals of incomprehensibly powerful weapons capable of destroying swaths of land so vast that previous generations of humans often lived their entire lives within the span of one such weapon's atomic fireball. Get real.

>>68510948
They should open a branch in SEA
Probably in Indonesia, since there must be a good reason why their rival company has a branch there :)

>>68496459
you're free to call me completely deranged but WW1 never really ended, it just mutated and it's still going

>>68494410
If it were management then there'd be no repercussions for just saying that. Niji could quietly fire the culprit and be done with it and the talents wouldn't be catching strays because of the haziness of the situation. The fact she didn't points to it being a front facing talent

400k by the way

>>68510948
because indians and indonesians did so well in nijisanji

>>68511701
They weren't part of the EN branch.

>>68493920
lol

>>68493920
I hope you regret it bitch

>>68493920
She's too kind, crazy how a single girl can be the bigger man vs a whole international company

>>68494718
this

>>68494718
she literally legally can't say

>>68494718
You're a retard that should shut the fuck up.
Bird, Sayu, Pomu, other people are not some "based" vigilantes from your capeshit-level fantasies but burned out, mentally tired, broken people. They need to stay the fuck away out of this mess for their own safety. If you follow this situation just for some "based" witch hunt JUST FUCKING GO AWAY.

>>68510774
nta but you’re schizophrenic, gsh

>>68494718
As with every other job in the world. It only takes a little bit to be casted as the black sheep and be expelled. Its surprisingly easy to do these days with how free information goes around and spread. How gullible people these days are to accept falsehoods as absolute truths without hard evidance or any conflicting proofs that make the falsehoods a falsehood.

If anything, blame the gullible viewers and fans of idols supplementing the companies $ over countless streams and instead not supporting the indie.

>>68510948
Except there's literally four other options for vtubing company to apply for, three since vshojo uses nepotism.

>>68515607
>nepotism
Ironmouse lying about her sickness to this very day to get wah-$ never stops being funny and ironic. She is such a fucking charity case.

>>68515607
They'd have to also accept you.

This reminds me of the point where Pikame almost played a troon game and got bullied into turning into a Vwhore named Henya.

I still think we should harass and bully NijiEN members and their fans

>>68494718
Don't cry anon... The truth is there was no bullying and she did all that just to get more money and ensure people follow her when she leaves the company.

>>68511359
The best thing to do when you're going to court is to say nothing at all. Even if it was solely management, saying "none of the livers were involved" is indirectly stating "management harassed and bullied me." Even in her original statement she avoided pointing fingers directly at anyone, including management even though they are obviously at least involced, because it's a bad idea if you're taking legal action.
As her lawyer recommended, regardless of whoever was or wasn't involved, say nothing until court proceedings are over. The lack of a substantial statement means nothing.

>>68515792
they clearly deserve a taste of their own medicine, but that will always be the weapon of the enemy

Good old VT, proving everyone once again that we are who they thought we are.

>>68494718
Agreed. Bad people need to be taught that their actions have consequences and shouldn't have the chance to thrive after pulling shit like this. I don't care who does it as long as they're outed and blacklisted

>>68494410
Her exact words were
>Let's not make this like high school
The teachers generally aren't the bullies in school, it's the classmates.

>>68514921
>pic
I rigged it.

>>68494718

The ones worth following have come out and said something regardless of the consequences from above,

After what they have all come out and said in last few weeks/months on the way out or once out the door even before this shit show am surprised it's taken this long.

The fence sitters and guilty will all be laying low and should be avoided while they ride their currently sinking ship. Just additional heads on that kuro colored Hydra.

>angry mob of dramafags turns on victim when she asks them to call off witch hunt
That's hilarious. I agree that Selen is much less innocent than people portray her as.

>>68493920
NDF is already taking this as a win on twitter. Yeah, this will all be forgotten by next Valentines day. Shame

>>68498760
Source please that would be fucking hilarious

>>68494718
That's Nijisanji's problem as an organization. Can they deal with it?

>>68511737
Pajeets from the Indian brand manages the EN brand now afaik. Unless it got changed recently to chinks.

>>68496620
That's the, Niji abosultely didn't get away with it, their rep is in the shitter, they're losing corporate deals and if the do decide to fuck around with Doki, her lawyer is more than ready to let them find out.

In short, she doesn't need to prolong this, the damage is well & truely done

>>68494718
this is the average dramafag tourist who was watching the stream btw. the kind of person who will forget she exists when she just tries streaming like normal again and moves onto the next thing he can gossip about.

>>68495017
It's incredible how many people fail understand something this simple.

>>68493920
Niji doesn't deserve her, I'm glad for her

>>68494718
Gee I wonder who it was
https://streamable.com/26fzn3

It endlessly amuses me that if Niji just said
>Okay we'll go our separate ways.
None of this would have happened. They fucked themselves trying to make a sequel to Zaion.

>>68493920
It's almost like she wants to move on with her life now and just get back to doing what she enjoys most (i.e: streaming), and is ultimately playing the bigger person in all of this...
In other words let Niji collapse on their own, they obviously don't need the extra help rn.

>>68493920
where is the proof

>>68493920
What a cop out… she should have told everyone who they were. Instead she took her viewers and left.

>>68494718
Anyone who stays with them after this who ordeal with Selen, just because they want to be famous and part of a company because they think that's what will make them famous, is retarded. Anyone smart enough to see this would leave immediately and anyone who stays are the ones doing the bullying.

>>68522845
she actually did the smart thing. you faggots are just mad cause no more additional drama came from her stream like you wanted.

>>68522966
You seem afraid.

>>68496897

>>68499256
>Well who is stronger than Selen?
Anyone who didn't try to an hero by default

>>68494410
Management is practically nonexistent.

>>68494718
And if she says anything and its someone outside of your collective headcanon then it will be disregarded or just memoryholed. Face it, if you want to hate somebody and need a reason, then you can probably just hate it without really needing this. Be more honest with yourself, what if its Rosemi? Can you imagine how much backlash would that bring? People bending backwards just to protect her. Before some mouthbreather says i hate Rosemi, i don't, i just used her as an example of a person that has a positive image

>>68494718
But she isn't innocent either. It's the old story of let those without sin be the first to throw a stone. But none of them are innocent, they're all vile human beings that are only barely kept from the edge of cannibalizing themselves.

>>68522935
>Leave immediately

Sorry but there is a line and the person who drew the short straw and has to wait until September or after to get out is now known as the bully regardless of what actually happened.

>>68494718
We already know it was Enna, Pomu and Millie.

>>68525021
>Pomu
No, because the two of them were planning to graduate together.

>>68525021
Pomu was one of the livers that got Selen's back in the black company and was herself victim of the bad management. What the fuck are you talking about, anon?

>>68525508
Which is why Pomu didn't wait for Selen and just graduated by herself. Selen admitted she just recently found out she was terminated, so thats not even an excuse for Pomu not waiting. Come up with a better rrat.

>>68525021
It doesn't matter. There will never be a true confirmation from anyone, and the bully (or bullies) will never get their comeuppance.

>>68525747
The walls are closing in they need sacrifices soon so either they throw the bully under or the lamb they throw gonna spill the beans in the end niji burns

>>68525725
Selen herself said she was planning to graduate the week after Pomu (so on January 26th). So Pomu was always going to graduate first, so no she shouldn't have waited. And if Selen herself just recently found out she was terminated, then how the fuck was Pomu supposed to know? Like Selen, Pomu probably thought Selen was going to return and do a graduation run.
Also, look at Selen's "last cup of coffee" cover. Look at the end of the song. It shows Pomu and Selen together, and her turning her head to look back at Nina and Mysta (who graduated). Also note that Doki sang "Last Cup of Coffee" as a lead-up to her own graduation announcement all the way back in 2021. It was always intended to be a graduation hint.

>>68493920
Yeah, it was kinda a disappointment, I guess Selen was just exaggerating. Maybe the bully for her was millie reasonably telling her she didn't fulfilled everything to be able to post that last coffee. Niji is a piece of shit of company
but this time just the victim of a really unstable girl and they're paying the consequences of not terminating her one year earlier

>>68526002
Many such cases. The victim is usually insecure and has thin skin, so anything small becomes bullying and they think people hate them.

>>68522602
Seriously, what even made them think doing that the first time was a good idea?

>>68493920
cringe leftoid mindset
this is why the world is so shit, dont go eye for an eye, go eye for their life

>>68526000
She said she offered a mutual split on the 26th, not that she was going to graduate on the 26th. If accepted, she would presumably have had a graduation stream and whatnot soon after. It was part of their negotiations post-december.

>>68526000
>My "friend" just tried to kill herself
>Hasn't had a chance to even figure out whats going on with her account
>I'm just going to go ahead and graduate, youll probably follow up quickly despite trying to kill yourself and being mentally unstable
Again, it doesn't check out if she actually cared.

>And if Selen herself just recently found out she was terminated, then how the fuck was Pomu supposed to know?
Thats the point, you cant even use the excuse that she went on ahead because they knew she was getting terminated. If they aren't lying, Doki didn't have access to Selen's accounts, so why would Pomu not wait to see when she would get access back, if "they wanted to graduate together". You're reaching too hard for your dead rrat.

>>68526587
>Hasn't had a chance to even figure out whats going on with her account
How do you know that?
>Thats the point, you cant even use the excuse that she went on ahead because they knew she was getting terminated.
You're talking in terms of termination, I'm talking in terms of graduation. They are not the same.
Selen herself proposed a graduation on January 26th, so that's the date the two of them ran with. And Pomu can't exactly delay her graduation after her announcement was already out.

Imagine the shit Enna told her in discord kek

>>68526943
This is my first time reading this, and Scarle sounds like she's being a bitch

>>68496459
So what you're saying is, we need to nuke Niji?
I'm in

>>68527158
*sigh* he puts up with so much shit

>>68517013
As someone with first hand experience with this in my youth, that's not true. Teachers join in on the bullying to fit in with the kids as they think it helps them teach the kids better.

>>68494718
Imagine being in a cult and the cult leader manipulates, bullies, and controls everyone and even encourages infighting. You eventually leave the clutches of the cult and have a wealth of knowledge that could take the cult leader down. Instead you say adios and leave, letting the cult leader continue to further abuse the rest of the cult.

>>68528564
I have never seen Teacher to join in, rather they just bully Students regardless.
The worst part rather is that they see when someone is bullied and just stand next to it or at best comment on it.
Then it is cased closed for them because the kids won't get bullied right in front of them. Out of sight, out of mind.

>>68527158
They both sound insufferable.

>>68528798
>Ninji currently in shambles
Yeah anon...that cult definitely is getting away with it...

>>68522935
>Leave Nijisanji
>lose 60-70% of your viewers
>have to start working part time again
Not everyone is going to get the Dokibird pity carpet or the Matara Vshojo safety net. It's easy to demand for someone else to "take the moral high ground" when you have nothing to lose.

>>68496620
Doki actually made the smartest thing. She already won, so she doesn't have to get her hands dirty, and now everyone will forever be wondering if their NIji oshi is a bully, effectively condemning the whole branch unless the talents start going at each other's throats.

>>68531105
Considering the 2% niji give their talents, doki can live comfortably even if she loses 98% of viewers.

>>68496620
She left the entire company and internet playing a game of AmongUs. Why dirty your hands when you can legally and socially absolve yourself and just let the chips land where they land

>>68531735
That was only on merch sales, retard. They probably made a considerable amount from subs and donos

>>68527158
first time reading this post, you sound like a bitch

>>68522464
>(Enna talking to her chat) "I know you guys would still love me if I killed someone, I know it and I appreciate it"
What the fuck did she mean by that?

>>68496620
>>68497189
>>68528798
It really pisses me off, now Enna, Millie and the rest of the ”clique” will be able to continue their careers and probably ruin more shit they get involved with.

You get a good industry by gatekeeping and blacklisting people like them.

It’s such a dogshit mentality to actively choose not to engage with this type of drama because it’s ”immature”. You should never treat unproffesional, childish, destructive and immature pieces of shit who try to turn a workplace into a high school with any respect or patience, you should treat them as the retarded high school mean girls they behave as and make sure they can never reach any position of power or authority over others.

>>68532569
Yeah, I understand why she chose peace, but I'm just disappointed because she was the only person who would ever be in the position she has to fix the problem once and for all and let it slip.

>>68532364
It means she personally tried to kill Selen, duh

>>68532364
Didn't she say "But you shouldn't" after that?

>>68533936
Doesn't change her point though

>>68534007
Point being?
That her fans shouldn't?
Or that she knows her fans are parasocial enough for that and telling them that's wrong?
Or that she's just conscious about it?

>>68533936
>...but you shouldn't! *laughs and winks*

>>68527158
*sigh* finally someone understands....

>>68494718
Everyone who replied to you knows you're right
The bullies got away with it

>>68532364
J-Just a misunderstanding
Don't look into it!

>>68494718
It'll all be handled in court. Keep quiet, see if they settle, and just avoid liability yourself.

>>68496486
>>68496620
As Sayu said previously she could have dropped names and go scorched earth but, its going to implode on itself.

>>68527158
Okay Aster

>>68532569
Because there was no real bullying. Its just drama she made up.

>>68533432
Fix the problem once and for all? No, she couldn't. People like Millie and Enna will remain problematic until the day they die. Dropping names won't do anything to these psychopaths. It'll make Doki open to more lawsuits and stress her out with a chance for her to do another an hero. You're not gonna foot the bill for her legal defense. You're not even a lawyer.
What about the fact that these bullies might have families that would sue her, or even hire gangsters to threaten her? Will you be there to protect her? You won't. You don't care about Doki. You only actually care about Nijisanji, which is fucking stupid, since every other corpo is doing fine in the industry. If you think any "good" remaining Nijisanji talent that you like are in danger, you can try to convince them to leave. If they won't, it means you're incapable to foot their bills either and you'll have to live with witnessing your oshis being absolute idiots for staying in that shit corpo.
Best advice anybody could give Doki is to pursue legal action, but even then it's up to her and her legal counsel to decide if it's worth it.

Grow up.

I don't get the people that keep blaming her. Doki always was the one trying her best to make collabs, events and even helped so many people there(when she didn't need to) she would've been perfectly fine if she had just focused on herself instead of trying to make huge events or collabs. However, I'm glad she left nijisanji. Even though Anycolor is trying to be an international corporation I don't see the potential at all. They're not open minded enough or even prepared to have livers of other nationalities to work there. I hate that I have to say this, but they want to force the Japanese bad work culture into spaces where it should never exist in the first place.
One of the examples is last year(I'm still mad about this) when she won an apex competition with ike and nocturnal. They weren't asked for an interview because of the language barrier... I was so mad as how the organizers handled it. To justify my anger I'm Japanese so I know what I'm talking about. To be honest I never liked the way nijisanji treated nijisanji en livers.
Anyway, No one can blame doki for her decisions and for what happened. Imagine being one of the only livers that hopes to have big events like they do to nijisanji jp just to have every project rejected and even ignored.

>>68537801
>I don't get the people that keep blaming her.
Because JPs don't watch EN streamers so they'll believe whatever nijisanji tells them

>>68494718
When you kill someone, it’s best not to leave your fingerprints on the weapon.

>>68538301
Agreed.
But the jp side is more like a problem in the idol industry. It's difficult to explain but it's like the fans will blindly believe more the company rather their idols. (Like what happened with Johnny's scandal)

>>68496620
I know you are baiting but I'll say it anyway, saying to harass someone is a great way to get kicked off youtube which she said is the platform she wants to main.

>>68501199
Considering that Korone did a collab with her, I’d assume it wasn’t too far beyond the pale.

>>68495708
She can't sue and Nijisanji knows that. If she filed a lawsuit, unless she can convince the boomer judge that her name being public would put her in danger, she would have to disclose her actual name.

There won't be any justice in this situation and it's best not to hold out hope.

bros, I don't know shit about nijishit, I'm just watching the train wreck, do we know what the harrasment actually was or by who? the whole thing is hard to follow, someone needs to do a complete edit of the whole scenario

>>68539896
i think she can though. false's livestream expressed that selen is not the first person to lawyer up to get nijien management to behaving (he heavily implied that it was yugo who did this, which explains their very weirdass graduation/termination)

>>68517013
The teachers are the worst bullies in high school. Literally every bully in high school you can just avoid besides the teachers.

>>68494889
I disagree. There’s an established pattern with Niji now and their reputation is in the toilet. They have done nothing to redeem themselves in he court of public opinion have demonstrated no willingness to reverse course and improve things for their remaining talents. Doki doesn’t have to get involved because her work is already being done. Niji is radioactive and it behooves the remaining talents to get out ASAP.

>>68540436
Lawyering up ≠ lawsuit.
Pretty much Selen and probably Yugo got a lawyer as a way of saying if you don't stop then I will go scorched earth and starting throwing out lawsuits and drag everyone's real name into this.

Its like a MAD policy. The lawyers are there to insure things stop and don't progress. But neither side actually wants to follow through unless they have no other option. Since even if Selen or Yugo followed through with the lawsuit it would pretty much blacklist them from the entire industry forever what with the stigma of leaking another persons real name. And if the corp followed through well....If its not very a VERY good reason they would be committing brand suicide even harder then Niji is right now.

>>68494718
Yuya named her bully and she had more to lose because she didn't have the masses behind her. she even got sued because Korean defamation laws include any harm of character even for true statements.
why doesn't she do it?

>>68517013
The only bullies I ever had were teachers.

>>68531884
They make 30% at most from donos after the Youtube and Niji tax.
Then with the 2% from merch, and additionally no salary, they generally would probably be making the same amount as an indie with 2-4 times fewer viewers.
In general, it seems safe to assume that most vtubers who go indie from corpo can maintain at least enough viewers to be making more than what they would as a corpo, assuming they're capable of making merch.