/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68358330
Yes. Dumbass question.

>>68358330
It absolutely has its place. Not every chuuba or corpo has to abide but there's obviously a big market for it.

>>68358330
Without niji vtubing would be dead with Kizuna, without hololive vtubing would turn into twitch thots 2.0
So yeah

>>68358441 (Me)
Referring to idol culture. JP corporate culture I'm not so sure about. Corporate bullshit in general activates my disgust mechanism so I can't really speak to it without bias.

>>68358330
Yes it only goes to shit when you hire flips and expect them to not act like sub humans

>>68358330
no you fucking retard. rushia's episode was because of idol culture. she fucked up because she got caught and went menhera trying to worm her way out of it. funny thing is, the cucks will forget about it if she only let it die down. get akas for her comeback and return to normal.
idolcorp also had a manager that fucked a talent.

>>68358330
No, but people here will never accept it.

Of fucking course it's not
If Niji were less autistically Japanese, the Selen situation wouldn't have fucking happened

Japanese work culture is the closest thing to the evil capitalist hellscape leftists think they live in and idol culture is cancer that's only liked by retards who get shocked when all their pure waifus are Mikenekos and not Virgin Marys

>>68358330
Yes, but people here will never accept it.

>>68358330
Yes.

>>68358330
Considering everything outside is pure garbage due to western streaming culture? Yes

>>68358330
"Idol culture" is cringeworthy shit, but on the other hand people who hate it are usually so awful that I kinda don't want to give them anything.

nijisanji is not idol culture because they suck males cocks all the time. if anything it showcases perfectly what happens when you let genders mix in this hobby.

>>68358741
Honest question, why would you not just paste a random anime waifu png on top of a e-girl twitch stream instead? Instead of shitting on vtubing as it is, shouldn't you instead try to convince flesh streamers to get anime avatars instead? They have no corpo shit and no "idol cancer".

>>68358911
>why would you not just paste a random anime waifu png on top of a e-girl twitch stream instead
This is literally what vtubers are, anon.

>>68358330
Yes, these beautiful gardens are walled for a reason.

>>68358330
There's some negative to these things, but saying that they're outright bad for VTubing is extremely hypocrite since the whole EN scene wouldn't exist without Hololive. Besides, we're on a fucking board stored under the "Japanese Culture" category, on a website created by weebs, I don't even know how you got there if you dislike nips.

>>68358973
Hello newfag.

>>68358911
Honest question, why would you not just jerk off to a random anime waifu png instead? Instead of finding out your "girlfriend" is actually a person and not your personal fantasy, shouldn't you get someone who won't "cheat" on you? The png has no agency and no husband.

>>68358911
thing, japan

>>68358330
I'd rather get idol culture like in Holo rather than the Twitch vtuber culture which is just twitch thot or tik tok reactions with anime girls. Also I hate the fact that 90% of Twitch "vtubers" does face reveals. Defeats the purpose of vtubing in the first place, fucking whores.

>>68358911
Sure, they just have to not talk about certain topics like politics, not show their body or face on any media, remove any real names or doxx-related stuff, try their best to make their audience happy and keep them company, actively engage in weeb culture and play into the character of the anime waifu png

Somehow this is an incredibly tall order for women and I have no idea why.

>>68358330
Idol culture in vtubbing never made sense to me. Idol culture was just the Japanese wanting to make 3DPD females into their idealized version of what a girl was, which basically was just 2D anime girls.
Vtubers are basically idealized 2D anime girls already, yet people still harass the VAs behind the characters, when it should be irrelevant to them.

>>68359143
>he says, after the biggest idol culture GFE vtuber of all time was outed for being a "fucking whore"

>>68358330
Would you rather every company be vshojo clones instead? What a moronic question to ask.

>>68359224
>Vtubers are basically idealized 2D anime girls already, yet people still harass the VAs behind the characters
Because the west forced the person behind the avatar = the avatar mentality because they want vtubers to be just regular streamers using anime avatars
Its the reason why they are pushing the vtubers should also do face reveals retardation

>>68358330
WACTOR is Japanese owned too

>>68359294
Gura?

>>68358514
Disagree, if there was a timeline where anycolor and cover never existed, the market would still have a demand for these kinds of entertainment.
It would only be a matter of time for other companies or new companies to fill that gap.
Both Niji and Holo were not overnight successes, it took years. More importantly, their livers would instead have joined VSPO, 774 or Neo-porte or some other agency if Holo and Niji never came to be.

>>68359392
That's a Deadbeat Mother Experience
She only visits to get the child support and then leaves again

>>68358330
>Recent Niji drama
>Post all the corpos
>Blanket all corpos are bad statement

Falseflagger internkun get better material.

>>68358689
Not after she got exposed for being a cheating lying bitch by mafumafu, she couldn't hide it forever

>>68358330
So you’re using the one corpo that didn’t support idol culture crashing and burning as reasoning for why idol culture is bad?

Ogey

>>68359344
The west barely fuck about the people behind the characters. If some vtubers do face reveals is for extra attention/whoring points, and even Japanese vtubers have done that as well.
But the Japanese are the ones forcing people to act like their idol personas both inside and outside their working hours. And they want the same thing for vtubers, which doesn't make sense.

>>68358906
>underpaid & overworked
>unfair contracts & practices
>bullying
>catfights
>internal drama
>disobedient organs get the bullet
>break your kneecaps
>sent a hitman
>Black Company
Niji is more true to idol culture than Holo

>>68358520
"Idol culture" is pure corporate slop with their one aim being maximizing profits for the shareholders

>>68359335
Unironically yes. We have need chubbas that appeal to a wider range of audience (ie.normie, ironic weebs)

>>68359732
>one aim being maximizing profits for the shareholders
This is literally just how businesses work.

>>68359801
Nobody needs that.

>>68359530
Niji drama was caused by jp-corpo autism that all those companies have to a degree or another

>>68358330
No, making sure your worksers are acting like workers is.

>>68359801
You should genuinely slit your throat for even writing this

>>68359540
that was a second drama anon, >>68358689 was talking about the first one that terminate her from Holo

>>68358330
>jp corporate culture
bad
>idol culture
good

>>68358330
I refuse to watch any companies that own their vtuber's models because it makes it extremely easy for the company to exploit talents, and makes it difficult for them to leave when they're forced to give up their entire identity as a vtuber. At least Doki and all of the reincarnated Vshojo members have helped erode the culture of not sharing vtuber past lives, so fans can more easily follow talents into their new lives now.

>ITT: ironic weeb tourists proving that vtubing should’ve never reached the west

>>68359630
jp corpo autism and idol culture were cited as separate topics and Niji drama isn't the only shit happening lately anon
reading comprehension 101

This thread confirms that there are a bunch of larpers on this website who follow a concept made up of something they don't like, only to criticize its creators. People also seem to have no idea about what the concept of nuance is, and only see it as either black or white.
It's like saying that love is bad because infidelity exists, we're hitting a level of argumentation that even children wouldn't lower themselves to.

>>68360086
>>68359997
Lil bros need to go outside and touch some grass or maybe talk to a female beside ur mom

>>68358330
>jp corporate culture
No.
>idol culture
The pseudo-idol concerts are what made me love hololive in the first place, so yes. COVER unironically made me a turboweeb idolfag within the span of a few years through the power of Shiny Smily Story.

>>68360306
>this user is underage

>>68360204
let's plays and streaming should have never reached the east

>>68360306
It's like they don't understand that anime is only growing because there's sufficient diversity to appeal to all tastes and types, and why western superhero comics are dying because of a stagnant distribution system and narrow audience, unicorns are comparable to people who like capeshit

>>68359801
>>68360306
These are the people that faggots like Parrot bring here btw

>>68360604
>anime growing
>good thing
get the fuck off this website

>>68358330
Idol culture sucks and I dont like how because of hololive vtubers feel they have to be idols to be successful

>>68359801
Who's "we"? Go work for a corpo if you want to live and die by the quarter. People who only "like" things as a fashion statement will promptly toss you aside like any other dead meme. That idea is naive at best and cancerous at worst

Vtubers cant be idols by the insane Japanese culture definition since you just know 100% of them have relationships and are not as pretty or young as their models behind them which is all people care about in Japan when it comes to idols

>>68358514
Hololive is what caused twitch thots to get into vtubing.

>>68360771
>you just know 100% of them have relationships
I envy how much faith you have on people

>>68360681
Blatantly untrue, most successful indies act like whores.

>>68360813
Didn't Melody made her debut before Holo getting big in the west ?

>>68360293

>>68358330
No, or at least not in the west. Phase Connect is already BTFO everyone else and they are as anti-idol as you could get.

>>68360688
Sorry for being a normal functional human in society instead of a unemployed basement dweller who lives on taxpayers ' dollar

>>68360959
Months and months before, and the amount of seethe she caused from fleshtubers was huge. But because all of it was directed at her and over and done with, Hololive was able to launch without any of that negative PR

It seems that everyone is forgetting what Hololive was known for in the the beginning. "Ero-live" ring a bell?

>>68360907
I dunno man, most successful gals usually have some sort of relationship unless they're max introvert.

>>68359695
>The west barely fuck about the people behind the characters
Mate the EN vtubing sphere is all about blurring the lines between the avatar and the person behind it which is why they have that retarded vtuber face reveal campaign on twitter

>>68360981
>they are as anti-idol as you could get.
No they are not, they're somewhere in-between those extremes, actually. Which is good, people in this thread are acting like the only two options out there are either Holoslop or Twitch thots, and everyone needs to pick a side.

>>68360293
he says, on a board for fans of larpers
also the 'nuance' buzzword next to aimless platitudes lmao

>>68361097
Yeah fuck Youtube though

>>68358330
Yes it's western brainrot, twitch culture and ethots that are really damaging EN vtubing

>>68361159
This
politcal vtubers like pippa should be encouraged even more

>>68358689
Rushi's incident was because she's a psychotic woman with an audience. "Idol culture" has nothing to do with it, unless you define "idol culture" as "men giving attention to a woman".

>>68360959
She's just one person. Holoboom inspired every random whore to become vtubers.

>>68361052
keep getting filtered, fake normie, you're still /here/ getting mad about it

>>68358330
I think it has its pros and its cons. Either way, it's obviously not going anywhere.

>>68361250
Remember when bait was good?

>>68360293
This board likely has the most underage users and the most tourists on the whole site. In this regard, it's even worse than /v/ or /pol/. It's quite literally just a bunch of reddit/twitter/discord immigrants who hadn't looked at 4chan before /vt/. Even among them, it's an unholy amalgamation of the absolute worst kind of people. You should never expect any kind of serious conversation here, most people have never even had a job, and if they did, it's quite possible that they're rotting away in a third world factory and come here only to relieve the stress by shitposting and dramafagging.

>>68358330
>idol culture
an industry fabricated entirely to go through the pockets of incels which are legion in Japan (enough to sustain an whole economy on itself).

>>68361371
point proven in literally the first post under you kek

>>68361159
>No they are not, they're somewhere in-between those extremes
I don't know how you could say that. Phase vtubers are not idols, they have zero kayfabe and don't even follow their own characters, and even talk about their private lives all the time.
The difference is that Phase vtubers have no scandals, or at least they are better at hiding them. But it seems people here are confusing things and are pissed more at the scandals of certain vtubers than whatever the true definition of idol fits them or not.

>>68358330
Don't group all other corpos in the same basket as nijien's evil shit. And idol culture has nothing to do with that shitshow either.

>>68361371
I'll never say it enough, but the faggots who made (and keep making) videos about /vt/ posts are the ones who definitely killed this place. Brought in the most retarded normies to ever live here.

>>68360604
Vtubers aren't a static piece of media, they need to pay their bills. They can't wait around patiently for a fad to put them back into fashion and for the crowd to come back around with 'oooh I haven't watched you in a long time, I've always loved you!'
This shit killed Ollie. She collabed with dozens of indies, small corpos, e-celebs, exposed herself to the most diverse spread of audiences over years anyone could possibly hope for - and now her sub growth is fucked and she's getting less viewers than fucking Anya regularly.
But it doesn't matter to the normalfags, right? She's just FOTM from last year, never to be returned to again.

>>68361292
at least they more or less self-contain within the ethot platforms

>>68358330
As a Holo En member said
Unfortunately idol culture is a thing. So yes, Twitch/Phase/Small corpos/Indies did a favor to the vtubing scene by appealing to the audience outside of unironic idolfags

>>68359083
And you FDS-rejects would still seethe and dilate over loli.pngs
Don't even pretend you would leave "us" alone, asshole.

>>68361551
Niji's current shitshow is a consequence of idol culture. If there was nobody opposing the idol culture, you'd be like the elevens right now, calling Selen a second Mikeneko who disrespected the company.

>>68361544
Phase fans merely have a different standard of scandalous

>>68360959
>Didn't Melody made her debut before Holo getting big in the west ?
Yes, the same goes for nyanners, veibae, silvervale, ironmouse, zentreya, and haruka.

>>68361764
NijiEN is a consequence of the management being retarded assholes and some livers being complacent or complacent.

>>68361671
>completely unable to counter the point made so he just spergs out
So... This is the power of the idolfag?
All your idols are whores. Every one of them is taking dick all night after taking your money all day.

>>68361764
>Niji's current shitshow is a consequence of idol culture.
Most obvious nijifag deflection I've ever seen.

>idol culture is when you don't collab with men and the less you collab with men the more idol you are

>>68361850
>Every one of them is taking dick all night after taking your money all day.
Just because your mom was like that, you don't have to be so angry at women, anon.

>>68361544
They don't have obnoxious males in every collab, but they also don't have to make their content as bland and inoffensive as possible. For many people it's a happy compromise.

>>68361764
wasn't the consensus already that it was Indians shitting things up a second time?

>>68358689
Serious question: Is GFE idol culture?
I don't follow JP flesh idols so I don't know.

>>68361932
People here ironically believe that.

>>68361850
The power of the idolfag is simply to not engage ingenuine whores seriously, because they don't ask these questions in good faith.
"My" Idols might have taken the dick at one point, idc, idgaf, but surely you reign supreme when it comes to dicks mileage, gigafaggot.

>>68361972
JP flesh idols are basically Kpop for men.

>>68358330
Definitely not in the west at this point. These japanese corps badly need to have EN branches run by EN people who can be a buffer between the talent and japan. You see this in many industries. Japanese corporate autism doesn't work with westerners.

>>68361961
That too. NijiEN never had "idol culture" but it still managed to go up in flames.

>>68361972
the problem is the GFEs want to be granted the same 5 seconds of victimhood Oshi no Ko gave to idols, because no one understands what is and isn't kayfabe

>>68361961
The reason for it happening? Yes.
But under idol culture, kurosanji's statement would've been enough to defuse all fallout and everyone would've condemned Selen.

>>68361850
Go ahead, keep projecting your cuck mindset instead of searching for a chuuba who will make your daily life a bit less cynical with a couple of good laughs. It's horrible to watch a woman if she's not talking about fucking all the time after all, isn't it?

>>68361250
I agree but pippa isn't political. Her best friend kirsche on the other hand...

Lol no. Corporatism gives 2 main benefits unless you're top end - managment and grouping. I personally think grouping can be done without corporatism as long as it is sufficiently pushed by the members - we see this in the popularity of Holotori compared to Umisea. Managment is the other but that can also be done indie. Sure you may need a small push for a menhera to get manager but they all seem to prefer it. Not to mention that inept managment like in Nijisanji can result in exactly the system used in the indie scene taking over anyway but with a dumb overlord which occasionally objects when they realise something has happened too late.

Idol culture is also terrible but only because of parasocialism and unicorns. Idol culture created the idea of concerts and singing becoming normalised in vtubers which most actually love. However importing that culture has lead to justifications of simping. While we have a level of kayfabe in vtubing, some (especially here I'll admit) seem to have issues with the person playing the character not being the same as the person in real life. Importing the "no relationships" rule (and I'd argue it goes a step further with the "no male interaction" ideology)has resulted in a community which encourages poor mental health and simping. At some point sombody is going to be autistic enough to murder sombody over this. It's abuse of the fans really.

>>68358330
Yes. The iron boot of YAGOO crushing the talents is an important part of why Holo content is better than generic ethotery

>>68362250
Do you really, honestly like vtuber music? It's just low-tier JPop.

>not collabing with males is murder
Nijisanji fans sure are desperate.

>>68362446
Who are you quoting?

>>68361371
>worse than /pol/
I'll take awkward teens over literal robots any day of the week.
Discussion on /pol/ is dead. It's only occasionally useful for news about <current_thing> these days.

>>68362507
>>68362250

>>68362432
>Do you really, honestly like vtuber music?
Yes.

>>68359801
You need to go back.

>>68359224
>Idol culture was just the Japanese wanting to make 3DPD females into their idealized version of what a girl was, which basically was just 2D anime girls.
Idols are modern day geisha which are sold on a combination of GFE and coomerbait. Most of HoloEN have issues with idol culture but it's currently a part of the Hololive brand. The recent Valentine's Day merch shows that Cover is still heavily marketing their vtubers as idols.

>>68358330
Yes because they were the ones with the infrastructure to blow up on YT during Covid. They were important in carving out and maintaining the genre. The ability to fund projects/concerts/events also inspired a lot of others to do their own (sometimes better, that 2D rigging). But they really should just be treated as the starting point of the lockdown phase of vtubing. Indies and small corpos (arguably some are medium) offer a foil to JP style content. Everyone is adapting and if JP corpo can't adapt, it deserves to wither back to Japan.

>>68358911
>if you're not a pure idol, you're a twitch thot
I am begging this board to have the capacity for thought beyond binary extremes

You can have good streamers without oppressive corporate interference, actually

>>68361972
idol is literally just stage performer comma japan

>>68361773
Yeah, if a phase vtuber wanted a scandal she'd have to say the holocaust was real.

idol culture is the way, thots get owned

>>68358330
Yes, westerners are just too soft.

>>68362432
>Do you really, honestly like vtuber music?
yes, the good ones are fun and catchy and appeal to the chuuni in my

>>68363161
But anon, idols are the ones who get quite literally owned by corporations. Twitch thots are thots, but they are free.

>>68362807
>geisha
this is it
this is so it

>>68363000
I'm with you regarding nuance. Truth of the matter is most indies are akin to bathtub streamers with dollar store breadtube takes.
The reputation the indie scene has earned is caused by sex sells. Your average normalfag only uses women, avatar or not, to masturbate too or as a gf-replacement.
From the top of my head only few (female) indies who aren't about that come to mind.
Twitch clique culture is poison.
As it stands, as a women, you can be either creative and not fanservicing, or popular. Seldomly both.
We got filian, but who else?

>>68361619
tourists never learn

>>68363265
thots are failing at dying right now, getting bullied, and whisper network'd to death
take meds

>>68362807
always has been

>>68358330
What do you mean? Western fans aren't good for vtubing. Misconceptions about both JP corporate culture and idol culture are used to mask the very western and mostly US centered camwhore and egirl culture, and the incel culture that follows it. It would be best for everyone if the western market was abandoned for 5-10 years to let vtubing properly solidify without all this drama. Let the bar for western vtubers be that you can entertain a JP audience and are a good fit for JP corporations.

>>68363501
This but unironically
I will be Japanese btw

>>68363320
>Truth of the matter is most indies are akin to bathtub streamers with dollar store breadtube takes.
Truth of the matter is your exposure to indies is extremely limited and it's immediately obvious.

>Twitch clique culture
Having been on Twitch for over a decade I genuinely don't know what this is supposed to mean.

>Filian
>creative
She's vtuber Mizkif dude. If she doesn't have other streamers to leech off for content, she just recycles the same low-hanging fruit while screeching into her shitty mic.

>>68363554
No, I also meant it unironically. Western fans and EOP have contributed nothing worthwhile to the industry except misunderstanding and faux outrage, and a paltry sum of dollars in the grand scheme of things.

>Niji fucking up
>Nijisis: IS COVER ALSO AT FAULT HERE? ARE THEY BOTH BLACK COMPANIE AND RUINING VTUBING?
Kek

>>68363573
>Having been on Twitch for over a decade I genuinely don't know what this is supposed to mean.
If you dont know what that is you haven't been on twitch for more than 6 months. Stop trying to portray yourself as an expert on anything, it's ok to be new.

>>68361619
Anon, anime and manga overtook american commics due to the variety of genre and vastly different options of content in the medium
The equivalent to Vtubing would be to have many different chubas doing all sorts of contents, each serving their own niches, instead of one trying to do everything
Literacy 101 anon

>>68361250
but i watch vtubers to ignore the grift right...

>>68363697
this
western women are just poison anywhere and everywhere

>>68363265
>they are free.
How is that a good thing?

>>68363787
Well you could've taken the opportunity to constructively build this conversation by explaining what you mean

But I guess it's just easier to dismiss me entirely based on nothing
Fact of the matter is that I have never once, ever, heard of "Twitch cliques" before coming to this board and seeing seething Holofags/YTfags bringing it up (and never elaborating)

>>68359801
I like Henya,Matara & silvervale (not in Vshojo anymore)....but this take is beyond awful

>>68363994
theres entire studies and papers on twitch cliques and whisper networks, its not new, maybe you should stop masturbating for five seconds

>>68359884
Corpos can choose less scummy and more scummy tactics to achieve that, entertainment just chooses the most scummy ones all the time. Idol culture skims the top of that and uses those.
Blindly ignoring this and generalizing all corpos as the same is just dumb.

>>68364182
how exactly those cliques affect creator or control the platform ?

>>68363320
>We got filian, but who else?
Shondo, Kirsche, Clio

>>68364328
starting to sound like a bot

>>68364491
or an Indian

>>68364491
>THOSE TWICH CLIQUES ARE A PROBLEM!
>how?
>YOU SOUND LIKE A BOT AHHHHHH!!!

>>68364422
>Shondo
anon...

>>68364182
OK, so link 'em
>and whisper networks
Oh so now we're moving the goalpost to something broader that can't be definitively evidenced, huh

>>68363994
All content creation involves cliques to some extent, I'm not sure why corpofags are desperate to tie it to one specific website.
Though being the tribalistic newfags they are, using brains doesn't seem to be a priority anyway. They really do sound like bots.

>>68363501
>and the incel culture that follows it
Incel "culture" is as prevalent in Japan, if not more.

>>68365795
Don't forget about the hikineet culture and the expectation that you either be a corpo drone or a recluse(out of shame)

>Japan is... le bad!
t. people who know literally nothing about Japan, Japanese corporate culture or idol culture

>>68366221
>>Japan is... le bad!
No one in the thread said that

>>68366348
NTA but half the thread is saying that

>>68365795
Nah, you don't get it. There is no comparison between what flies here and what you can get away with there. It's like saying oh Japan has criminals too and their prisons are also bad. There is no comparison between the two, but you would technically be correct that they have involuntary celibate men and criminals.

>>68361972
Yes and no. Technically jp idols are based on the French idol scene from back in the 70s, which was itself based on 50s and 60s corporate music acts from the US. In brief idols are hired based on looks and marketability with actual talent taking a back seat, a la early 2000s boy and girl bands (NSYNC, B*Witched, All Saints, Boyz0ne, etc). However a lot of the big idol groups (most notably AKB48 and its sister units) do their best to encourage parasocial relationships with fans in order to boost sales and guarantee a legacy audience. The downside to this gfe model is that the girls are basically disposable with bullying, abuse, predatory pay practices, and what is effectively forced compensated dating being the rule. The more "normal" idol groups are also generally scummy but in a regular music industry way, not an Epstein island way. Ironically nijisanji's company culture reflects idol culture more faithfully than the "idol" company Hololive.

>>68358330
>jp corporate culture
Needs definition from people who aren't talking out of their ass. I refuse to believe that the story is as simple as "slow, bad, top-heavy, no independence."
>idol culture
Yes-ish; this one is even harder because the ideals of Vtuber and idol culture are so closely intertwined, although not equivalent. Anything can be a poison if taken to the extreme, would be my kneejerk response. And, a lot of the rules and taboos aren't necessary at first glance, but are so closely aligned to the expectations of most Vtuber fans that it's usually for the best anyways
ex: idols can't do relationships, because para. Parasociality is something undivorceable from Vtuber culture as well, whether we are talking about friendly mutualism or hard GFE/BFE, but Vtubers are also almost universally understood to be playing a character to some extent, as blurry as that line has grown over time. Thus, the general guidelines for best experience say that certain personal matters and topics are off-limits by default. However, it seems to be far more lenient for Vtubers and you don't need to look very far to see cases where these rules change or are suspended without problems for either the fans or the chuuba's career.

>>68362043
No, the power of the idolfag is to choke down mediocre music and merch by the thousands of dollars worth on the word of a chick you pay to say nice things to you.

Japanese corporate vtubing is rotten to the core. Yes, even the company you like and pledge yourself to.
This whole corrupt industry needs to collapse.

>>68367757
> choke down mediocre music and merch by the thousands of dollars worth on the word of a chick you pay to say nice things to you
I see nothing wrong with this

>>68367762
not now kson

>>68358330
JP corporate console = not so great for vtubing. Idol culture = the lifeblood of vtubing.

>>68368085
Of course you don't, you have brain damage from trying to be more Japanese than actual nips.

>>68368085
Kind of a sad flex but you do you, king.

>>68358330
JP corporate culture = not so great for vtubing. Idol culture = the lifeblood of vtubing.

>>68368166
And?
Pic related is me btw

>>68367757
>implying buying merch is a bad thing
Run along back to réddit, little bro

>>68368278
Idk if your really him but I'm proud of the work you put in

>>68361972
No, it's not. Idols aren't your girlfriend, and nobody is supposed to be under the delusion that they are. Even in small clubs the girls leave through different entrances and the bills are paid such that leaving customers are staggered. So it allows the two groups to avoid each other. When they're living their private lives nobody but paparazzi and Bjork stalker types bother them. Extreme fans exist in all industries, but this is not that different to western media too, think Bjork stalker again. The same kind of harassment has been directed to seiyu as well, sometimes because of relationships or because of other reasons. But obviously most seiyu are dating or married, it's usually not hugely publicized though and most don't make an issue out of it. When Minegishi was found to have lied about a relationship she had she shaved off her hair and tearfully apologized. What many EOP and non-idol fans don't realize is that this resulted in her not being terminated, and only getting demoted to under girls, and later reinstated and regained much of her popularity and is still recognized. That's a completely different picture to what some seething anons want you to believe.

I will give you a much better idea of what's going on instead of idol culture.
>guy enters camwhores chat
>"ey bby"
>"bby eeey r u single?"
>guy donates $50
>camwhore responds: "hi, omg thank you, no I'm not single"
>"wtf"
>"u fukn whore"
>"lied to me bitch"
>"slut"
>"cunt"
>guy gets banned
This is what is really going on and it's not idol culture. Not even a little.

>>68367089
No, it's not
there a big difference between "X aspect of jp culture/society is bad" and "japan is bad"

the world needs MORE idol culture.

>>68368409
I really appreciate this post
This hobby is completely infested by SJW s who use idol culture and parasocial as a buzzword without knowing what either of those things are.

>>68367250
Anon, they literaly have rent girlfriends(that you can't touch) as a service and don't forget that their equivalent, the herbivore man, was already a widespread social phenomena there before the term incel was even created in the west

>>68358330
>le Idol culture bad
You will never pass as a woman
You will forever fail auditions
You will remain a 2view at most

>>68368329
Buying merch isn't bad. Buying dozens of copies of the same album that you'll never listen to in order to make a fictional corporate persona "happy" is just silly.

>>68368600
Japanese "incels" are bowing their head saying "please excuse me, please excuse me, please excuse me" all the time as they make their way through towns and subways, hiding their loot in inconspicuous brown paper bags so they don't draw attention to themselves and feel burning shame. Some of them retreat to their rooms so they don't have to be seen by the outside world and can't cope with the shame they cause their families. Wotas literally worship their idols and the one or two extremely unhinged ones retaliate by buying thousands of music cds and dvds, breaking them, and posting pictures of it online.
Everyone that takes five minutes to think about it understands how this is completely different. Here they seethe, say weird shit, make everyone feel uncomfortable, act obnoxious, flaunt how repulsive they are, wear their hobby as literally their identity, pride themselves on leeching off their family and the government, and then pirate their oshi's stuff, and show their displeasure by seething about women and spamming hate comments.
You can say look see, there are two groups and nobody is getting laid in either of them. But that's just being intellectually dishonest. Comparing the two as if they're the same isn't even a good joke, it's just obviously not true.

>>68368409
screencapping this for future use against tourists if you dont mind

>>68368785
>But that's just being intellectually dishonest
Anon, did you forget what board you are on?

>>68368591
>>68368808
I have been saying this for a long time already. Still it's good that it might slowly be recognized by more and more anons for what it really is.

>>68368409
>When Minegishi was found to have lied about a relationship she had she shaved off her hair and tearfully apologized.
You said that as a good thing. And the big problem here is idolfags trying to export the same culture into vtubing, which one of the perks of vtubing was having a completely separate life outside of your vtuber persona thanks to the anonymity of it.

>>68360024
But none of her coworkers are japanese and none of the NijiEN staff members are japanese
Are you ok?

>>68368434
The problem is that most people who say "X aspect of jp culture/society is bad" know pretty much nothing about that aspect, this thread has been nothing but EOP myths regurgitated en masse.

>>68358330
Idol Culture, GFE and Unicornism all need to be separated.
They're different with heavy overlap being pushed by unicorns

>>68369975
people here unironically believe that japan has vending machines for used underwear

>>68368785
If you seriously think that JP incels just lock themselves and don't ever seethe or go full schizo over the idols/waifus they obsess over, posting all kind of shit on JPs forum, as if that sort of things were purely a western phenomena, you are just delusional
A glance at the Rushia drama or any other unicorn or gachikoi sperg out already show how wrong you are

fun that you speak of intellectual dishonest when you are practicing it yourself

>>68358330
Both "jp corporate culture" and "idol culture" are buzzword phrases, and their meaning changes greatly from person to person. To make matters worse, people tend to think that their own definitions of these buzzwords are universal, so they will just say "thing good/bad" without even trying to explain what they like or don't like.

The problem is people like liggers, vshojo fans and phasenigs. They have the perception that vtubing is just a keyword for streaming, it is not. One anon ITT said that western vtubing changed nothing in the grand scheme of things and he's right.

>>68369975
you keep regurgitating "but the people criticizing it know nothing about it"
So why don't you correct them and enlighten us with the truth about those aspects that you seen to know better than anyone else ?

>>68370265
Still won't watch your teletubbies with tits.

>>68369782
the organisational structure and expectations are all japanese as well the selection of the managers enforcing the main branch autism

>>68370299
see>>68368409

>>68370265
>They have the perception that vtubing is just a keyword for streaming
Vtubing is literally just entertaining women with nice voices streaming while using a vtuber model. Singing, dancing, and concerts are just fun bonus content that not every vtuber has to care about.

>>68370514
retard

>>68370299
What should I exactly disprove, the neverending swarm of reddit buzzwords regurgitated by people who have never been to Japan?
Read this
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E3%81%AE%E3%81%97%E3%81%8F%E3%81%BF-%E9%9B%87%E7%94%A8%E3%83%BB%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E3%83%BB%E7%A6%8F%E7%A5%89%E3%81%AE%E6%AD%B4%E5%8F%B2%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E5%AD%A6-%E8%AC%9B%E8%AB%87%E7%A4%BE%E7%8F%BE%E4%BB%A3%E6%96%B0%E6%9B%B8-%E5%B0%8F%E7%86%8A-%E8%8B%B1%E4%BA%8C/dp/4065154294
Also this
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/NHK%E3%80%8E%E5%B9%B3%E6%88%90%E3%83%8D%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E5%8F%B2-%E4%BB%AE-%E3%80%8F%E5%8F%96%E6%9D%90%E7%8F%AD/dp/4344037200

Also read everything by Hiroki Azuma, he has at least one book translated.

Read Galbraith book on idols as wel (actually read everything by him tool.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13722035-idols-and-celebrity-in-japanese-media-culture

Or if you want fiction, read pic related, to understand the method of thinking of an actually obsessive fan.

And most importantly: learn Japanese and spend a bit of time there. Need any other recs?

>>68370514
Vtubing is literally moe. Parasociality, love, and GFE will always be there because Moe is both 萌え and 燃え. Holo streamers have more in common with Kizuna than Ironmouse because the reason people follow them differs from your average Joe reason to follow a random e-celeb. That reason? Moe. Saying
>Vtubing is literally just entertaining women with nice voices streaming while using a vtuber model.
Is not understanding why vtubing before holo was not popular despite many western creators predating holo EN. Vtubers are more anime than streamers and not only because their models features.

>>68370435
That changes nothing retard
what you described with the idols is exactly what goes on with Vtubers
If those extreme fans were just an exception instead of the main target you wouldn't have the girls being forced to pretend they are single and pure, nor have than forced to be terminated or have to shave their heads and get a demotion when someone dox their personal relations
That type of gachikoi shit is the exact same thing we see with Vchuber
You can cope as much as you want and pretend that is just you ethot straw man, but you only confirmed all the anti idol-culture people had been saying about your mentally ill fandom

>>68370998
NTA (obviously) but I might check these out
also
>expecting a possibly underaged tourist to read a book

>>68371259
Maybe this hobby just isn’t for you.

>>68371006
>Vtubing is literally moe. Parasociality, love, and GFE will always be
No retard, Vtubing is just streaming with a model
nothing more, nothing less

>Is not understanding why vtubing before holo was not popular despite many western creators predating holo EN
doesn't matter, it doesn't change what vtubing is

>Vtubers are more anime than streamers
no, they are just streamers
Vtubing is not just hololive, you liking it or not

>>68358330
they're both fine but they should stay in japanese vtubing because it works over there
western vtubers are just regular streamers with an anime avatar, there's no point in having a bunch of ridiculous expectations of behavior and corporate structure involved in it

>>68371468
>NUH I CANT HEAR YOU YOU’RE WRONG BECAUSE YOU JUST ARE OK???
nigga this is embarrassing

>>68371369
Or you are just a retard who can't get that Vtubing=/=Idol shit

>>68361514
In what way is
>idol culture was created by corporations to fleece money from love-starved incels
an incorrect statement? It's 100% accurate, idols exist to create the illusion of an attractive, available, and interested female to inexperienced males who will then do what comes naturally (try to demonstrate worth and gain attention) by giving them tons of money, which conveniently is easy to do because the corporation that owns them produces ample low-quality garbage with their likeness on it. Then the male, not wanting to admit he's an idiot, doubles down on the irrational one-sided love and the cycle continues until he self-destructs or ends up in prison.
The imitation of this marketing pattern (culture) by the vtubing sphere is exactly why you see the same sorts of utterly psychotic fans for both groups. Not all vtubers do this though, it's really only about 30-40%.

>>68370998
What generals do you usually venture, anon? I wanna hear more, you seem like you know what you’re talking about.

>>68371536
you just took an extremlly narrow definition out of your ass and is seething because someone dare to contradict you
Vtubing is not just Holo and it's clones

>>68358330
>muh corporate and idol culture
Fuck off to twitter

>>68371779
I'm not even the guy you were originally replying to, dipshit

>>68363320
>most indies are akin to bathtub streamers with dollar store breadtube takes
God you really hit the nail on the head with this. Fucking hell it's halfway impossible to find an indie who isn't blabbering on about Twitter bullshit every stream or trying to have "sex appeal" with a fucking avatar like I can't just go hit up rule34 if I wanted to see 2D tits or cunt.

>>68371468
You screaming at me "No, it's like I say" change nothing you gotta sustain your claims with facts. I explained to you why the shift between Kizuna/Luna to Holo was so smooth despite the different type of content and why the two fanbases overlaps so much in contrast to the fanbase of let's say XQC and Gura. That being said I'm ESL and not good with words, so I will redirect you to someone more capable than me. I believe both Lamarre and Galbraith talked about the connection between moe and vtubing, especially the second one, and I remember an article on it by a dude who used to review denpa songs, don't remember the name tho, maybe someone ITT knows about it, back in the /jp/ days it was pretty notorious.

>>68371581
but anon, that would mean that le pure idols are just corporate proto e-thots that sing and dance!

>>68371887
What differentiates vtubers from regular streamers in your opinion? Just the avatar? If you were to state what you like about vtubing to someone else, that they couldn't get from a regular stream, what would you say?

>>68368409
>Idols aren't your girlfriend, and nobody is supposed to be under the delusion that they are
No, they're worse: They're supposed to be a pseudo-religious object of worship through redirected simping that puts money in the pockets of corporations. Selling GFE would be less immoral.

>>68371307
You can replace the first one with anything that actually explains how contemporary Japanese society works. The second one is about the history of internet and internet culture in general, that includes NND. There's a few other books about that, bit this is the only one I've read so far.
Hiroki Azuma is absolutely worth to check out, he's a philosopher who often writes about otaku-related topics, while Galbraith is one of the most notable western researchers of Japanese media and pop-culture.
Oshi, moyu (the book on the pic) is actually not that good imo, but it's won many awards and the description of the main character's emotions towards her oshi is quite relatable.
You can just go along these lines, these are fairly popular topics with lots and lots of researches in both English and Japanese. I recommend delving into it, if you're interested, you can find some very fascinating stuff. For instance, I just ordered 承認欲求女子図鑑 ~SNSで出会ったヤバい女子たち~ which, based on the synopsis, is essentially a collection of interviews with unironic menhera egirls, and a similar book, 「ぴえん」という病 SNS世代の消費と承認 in which a 21yo girl explains the dark side of SNS culture including stuff like suicide culture etc.
>>68371615
I'm mostly just a lurker and a tourist from /a/, but occasionally I do show up in /rrat/, /HiRyS/ and /wah/, though I usually hide my powerlevel and just post about the streams or my desire to mating press Bae.

>>68371887
>You screaming at me "No, it's like I say" change nothing you gotta sustain your claims with facts.
when you sustain any of your original claims

> I explained to you why the shift between Kizuna/Luna to Holo was so smooth despite the different type of content and why the two fanbases overlaps so much in contrast to the fanbase of let's say XQC and Gura.
and that doesn't matter because "this is why this type of vtuber got popular" has nothing to do with the definition of vtubing

Moe might be popular, but isn't what define Vtubing, that the point

>>68372095
meant for >>68371581

>>68371909
Yeah that would be a fucking nightmare wouldn't it? Good thing that's not real haha

>>68358330
>>68359801

So NijiEN yabs and its Hololives fault huh? Wasnt NijiEN supposed to be what normies and outside people wanted out of Corpo tubers. Smells like seetheing 2views here. Posting this because it became relevant again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipFGfuxGQ_c

>>68372095
I explained it here >>68371006 I watched some regular streamers (albeit not for long or regularly) and the difference between a regular streamer and a vtuber is this, 萌え. No regular streamer can cause such an emotion in the viewer, that's why watching Gura playing Minecraft and doing her shenanigans is more akin to watching an episode of K-on than watching XQC trying to form a coherent sentence while playing GTA. The difference is feeble and I rarely experience the same thing with no Holo western vtubers but it's definetly there, and it's enough to say vtubing≠streaming.

>>68372139
>spoiler
I honestly expected you to be a soratomo or hoshiyomi, damn
Good taste nevertheless

>>68372216
>>68372095
It really depends because "vtubing" has expanded massively from its original scope. You have the idol-like "original" pattern, but now you also have the thirst streamers, the "quirky GFE" types, half a dozen flavors of male streamers, etc.
For me, what I want to watch is a female streamer that actually has to be interesting and feminine. Fleshtuber women are almost never good at this because no matter how retarded and vile they act some ESL jeet will simp for them because they have tits, but certain vtubers take advantage of the appearance-equalization offered by the avatars to allow themselves to be more creative and free them up to act in a way that isn't explicitly trying to thirst-trap men or enable cunty behavior. Ironically, not being able to be prettier than their competition makes them better entertainers.

But, then again, it's getting rarer and rarer as the scene gets more popular because it's just plain easier to throw on an avatar with huge tits and talk lewd, or be ridiculously parasocial to reel in the hikki/incels.

>>68372562
Nevermind I guess >>68372216


>>68372159
>Moe might be popular, but isn't what define Vtubing, that the point
It is when the face of vtubing is Holo and the only stuff that helped the developement of the movement comes from Holo or Holo adjacent(with a similar mindset) companies. Pipkin Pippa catching the /pol/ audience certainly expanded the reach of vtubing but amounted to nothing in its general evolution, IronMouse sleeping in stream or gettin an award what changed for vtubing? Nothing. Holo killing Kizuna on the other hand changed the whole sense of the word, while at the same time retaining the soul of Kizuna (moe). Now please cite some example to back up your claims.

>>68372564
>soratomo
I actually have read Sora's light novel, but it was horrible
https://bookmeter.com/books/13638933

>>68372562
No, you pulled a pseudo definition from your ass that ignores how the term Vtuber is defacto used to define and how it's originated
Moeshit doesn't define Vtubing, no emotion define vtubing, no matter how many pseudos you try to cite
Vtubing is just the use of animated model for videos and streaming, nothing more

> watching Gura playing Minecraft and doing her shenanigans is more akin to watching an episode of K-on
it doesn't

>The difference is feeble
it's completely subjective

>and it's enough to say vtubing≠streaming.
no, it's not
Vtubing is just streaming with a model

>>68358330
>Niji EN being Niji EN
>This is why DA BOIS can’t make it in Hololive! We need to cancel Cover Corp!
Can you people make it any less obvious?

>>68373023
Right so the existence of vtubing as a medium in your opinion is mostly arbitrary, since any and all flesh streamer/vtuber could swap to an avatar/webacm and the content would be unaffected.

>>68373023
So Theonemanny was a vtuber?

>anon fucks up a quote because he's 50IQ
>people start arguing about bullshit

>>68373023
If vtubing and streaming without a model are the same, how can the audience be so different with barely any overlap? I think you're missing something

>>68372911
>It is when the face of vtubing is Holo
Vtubing isn't Holo
Holos only got big due to the amount of money put on their marketing

>>68370122
You've never been to Japan before, you don't know how to speak or read Japanese, you've never interacted with Japanese communities or SNS, you don't know anyone that has. You keep assuming they're just like you because you can't comprehend how the world is so unlike you outside of your small area. It's an absolutely intellectually dishonest comparison and nobody making any serious point is ever trying to make that comparison. Your behavior is not just like Japanese counterparts, never has been, never will be. You probably don't even watch the same anime, and can't understand why they sub to different kinds of vtubers (see the EOP confusion at JFT).

>>68373237
>Holos only got big due to the amount of money put on their marketing
Either deliberate historical revisionism or unfiltered newfaggoottry.

>>68373237
why are /lig/gers all profoundly retarded?

>>68370907
He is right, though.

>>68373229
>how can the audience be so different with barely any overlap
If we're talking westerners here you're delusional if you think the demographic for vtuber audiences isn't basically just half bathtub stream watchers and half weebs with a different mix depending on which streamer we're talking about. For jap though, it is quite different, but that's because jap culture is different.

>>68373023
Again read the stuff I cited if you seriously want to know what I'm trying to say. Nothing else to say, talking to a wall that just responds with "No it's not like I say" is boring, start backing up your definition with something or cease. Actually cease anyways, read those texts and try to come up with your own answer while trying to use more that two vocabs.

>>68373258
> see the EOP confusion at JFT
QRD?

>>68358330
>are jp corporate culture
Maybe
>and idol culture really good for Vtubing ?
No

>>68373229
because target different audience, just like different types of streamers and youtubers target different audiences

>>68373258
My nigga I have been to Japan, hikikomori are just incels in a culture that's far, far more cruel to those who act out than the west is. There is virtually no difference between a 30yo hikki who subsists on ramen and blows his bennies on idol merch and a 30yo western incel who subsists on tendies and blows his bennies on twitch thots or porn. They are the exact same demographic and exist for the exact same reasons.

>>68373258
seethe

>>68373559
fucking lol
was waiting for that
you must be over 18 to post here btw little timmy

Vtubers were just regular streamers who were too shy or too ugly to get famous in a traditional way thus chose to stream with a virtual avatar, instead.
The fact that some companies co-opted the concept and added an idol-like flavor to it is irrelevant.

>>68373362
You pseudo shit doesn't matter
Vtubing is only using models for videos and streams
that's what the term is used for, that is what the term was created to describe
your pseudo philosophical shit is meaningless
you have no arguments except an appeal to authority
you can bable about 'muh special feel' all you want, will not change what the term means, how it's used and how it's understood

>>68373785
You seem to spend a lot of time posting here about a medium you don't care much for.

>>68373785
nigga why are you even on this board

>>68373785
You forget the most important aspect, which is the character itself. Vtubing is streaming on the surface, but it is closer to voice acting when you delve deeper. Of course, bandwagoners did not understand this and they've been trying to ride the wave without paying attention to its core, but that does not change the fact that the most crucial part of vtubing is playing a role. Even if a vtuber largely abandons the keyfabe, they still won't simply be themselves, they're gonna be the character, which they slowly fill up with their own personality. Unfortunately, some people also misunderstand this and believe they're the same people, therefore, the traits of the character should be in correlation with the traits of the person behind them, which is why people demand random middle aged women to be pure virgins. The thought process of these people is akin to twittards calling lolis pedophilia, they're unable to differentiate the character from reality, but regardless, the line is undoubtedly there. And that is exactly what makes vtubing so special. Method actors, like Dr. Disrespect do come close to this, but vtubing is raising that to another level.

>>68373785
Retard. I told you how Holo changed the history of the movement from short videos to streaming while retaining a very different flavor from casual streaming. All the stuff I said (Moe included) is historical, nothing pseudo or philosofical. I also said why many other vtubers failed in their "revolution" of vtubing as a concept(Pippa,IM) the only thing you said is "No" and "It is like streaming" with 0 stuff backing your claims. Oh wait, my bad you tried saying false and newfag shit like
>Holos only got big due to the amount of money put on their marketing
Lol. That being said we're done, I'm ESL but you are too dumb to entertain a discussion even for me.

>>68374250
>I also said why many other vtubers failed in their "revolution" of vtubing as a concept(Pippa,IM)
????
>I'm ESL
Clearly

>>68374383
actual double digit IQ
how the fuck do you even solve the captchas nigga

>>68374463
All you've done for like 7 posts is scream about how vtubing is totally this unique and japanese thing that can't be compared to streaming and blah blah blah like the fucking filthy weeb you are. I know for a fact that you've never lived in Japan for more than a few months (or are Japanese and have never lived outside of it) because your view of Japan is completely disconnected from reality. You aren't saying the shit you think you're saying, and anyone who isn't a brain-damaged weeb so drunk on animu culture that they probably believe a sword can cut a tank in half can see it too.

>>68374632
im not that guy retard, i just agree with him

>>68374632
nta but he at least brought up arguments unlike you

>>68374632
>using weeb as an insult on an anime imageboard
election tourist? parrot tourist? reddit tourist?

>>68374693
Then you too are fucking stupid and too deep in fake animu culture to see reality. Please buy a plane ticket to Japan and 6 months of hotel fees at your earliest convenience. I'll get the rope ready for when you return home.
>>68374715
>arguments
You don't even know what that word means if you think semantic splitting and moving definition goalposts is an argument.
>>68374756
Been here longer than you fagboi.

>>68368278
Didn't he die?

>>68374792
we accept your concession

>>68374756
>doesn't realize the word "weeb" originated here as an insult to replace "wapanese" after a PBF comic got popular

>>68374792
Screeching about le weebs while having zero actual counterpoint isn't an argument either.

>>68374756
Being a weeb is normal and expected here, but holy shit, this thread reminded me why I avoid anything Holo-related like a plague. When a weeb mindset gets combined with unicorn brainrot, the results are absolutely brutal.

>>68374988
>no you see, if you tell me why I'm just sperging, you're the one that's sperging
Kill yourself with a firearm, in full view of your parents.

>>68374715
his argument is that the biggest vtuber corpo hit big by using anime style cuteness with an Idol spin, therefore vtuber is that no matter how many non Idol non moe Vtubers there are because the didn't cause a "revolution" in the meta

>>68373513
And yet the second usually ends up shooting children and the elderly, and the first usually just hangs themselves.

>>68375048
and he is correct

>>68375048
>>68374219

>>68374993
>>68374792
Which vtuber do you like, and what do you like about them? I don't think you will answer these questions, since I'm suspecting you're a 4chan hobbyist who enjoys the site itself more than the topics being discussed.

>>68375094
>usually ends up shooting children
Watch less CNN. School shootings are a vanishingly unlikely event that accounts for less than 1% of 1% of incel behavior.

>>68375048
It's kind of like arguing that only a Ford is a real car, because Ford T was the first successful mass model.

>>68375041
You didn't tell anything though, your posts were all surface level reddit shit and projecting.

>>68375094
>implying hikkis wouldn't shoot up company offices, schools, of their parents houses if guns were easy to get in grorious nippon
Holy fuck the delusion, go read some of the shit they post and tell me they aren't the same as the average incels.is poster.

>>68375097
no, he isn't
the mere fact that vtuber that don't follow the holo model exist already disproves his assertion that Vtubing=Holo
what he is doing is the same as saying that Anime/LNs=Isekai

>>68375170
Nice try but you won't change the subject by shifting the discussion to insulting someone else's taste.

>>68375187
apples to oranges

Wow an actual successful NDF deflection thread!

276 / 18 / 82 / 1 Never mind its just the same retards talking to each other

>>68375371
I accept your concession.

>>68375304
methinks you are of subpar intellect and there is no point in trying to argue with (You)

>>68375431
>same retards talking to each other
Newfriends finds a thread where an actual discussion is being conducted
Cute

>>68375154
that's a different Anon and he is also wrong given that all streamers and youtubers present a persona of themselves when not a full character and think vtubers are some level of kayfabe or acting unseen in the youtube/stream medium

>>68375362
I'm not looking to insult your tastes, I just want to see you actually talk about a vtuber you like that you hold up as an example of "good vtubing" that makes the medium worth having. The reason for this is that being unable to do so will just expose you as a terminally online retard addicted to 4chan despite having no actual interests.

>>68375280
Never said they wouldn't, and some even do like the KyoAni guy, but they're less likely to because of the culture there. It takes someone super angry at the world to throw their entire family under the bus, unless that's where their anger is aimed at. Over here every kid is taught that guns are a way to gain/show control instead of as a self defense mechanism and thus find a way to show their control or gain control from others.

Okay, you know what faggot? How about this:
If vtubing is ONLY moeshit hololive clone streaming, what do you call EVERY other kind of avatar-based streaming and why is it allowed on this board?
Do provide an in-depth answer, because it seems like your only issue here is one of terminology because you're autistic.

>>68375181
Not gonna waste the money procreating so you can have more target practice, tex

>>68361371
/thread

if a vshojo member dies irl i will make sure to spam every single vshojo member discord a video of me shitting on their graves

>>68375431
Literally nothing wrong with those numbers. Basically 3 post per anon, that's normal.

>>68375597
>point
>non-sequitor presented in the format of a counterpoint
>"that doesn't make sense as a counterpoint"
>"it wasn't a counterpoint"
Communicate better, dumbass.

>>68376036
based

>>68376036
So this is the average JP corpo fan.

Good thread

>>68358330
In a world of BTS and Swifties, vtubers don't seem bad.
So much variety to choose from and it's not solely on looks.
>bbut they are not real.
They'll never become your friend. It's a performance.

>>68358330
>Nijisanji terminates someone
>FUCKING IDOL CULTURE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>68381574
>thinking the thread is about Niji

>>68362250
Careful anon. You are reminding me why I have more respect for this board as opposed to /pol/ and /tv/

>>68358388
Fpbp
>>68358441
And /thread

>>68360959
Nope