/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68248352
It's not the first time they do this and it won't be the last. This is just how Kurosanji functions.

>>68248352
I’m glad they didn’t. It’s time they and the awful people they’ve hired get exposed.

>>68248352
it's tradition at this point

>>68248352
They haven't learnt their lesson, and frankly, they seem incapable of doing so

>>68248352
They are terminally retarded and clearly driven by a level of ego that is willing to cut off its own nose to spite its own face.

>>68248352
Because she refused to communicate with management and ghosted them after the MV was privated. There is no mutual agreement in the first place if you're goiing to be this stubborn. Stop shitposting and actually start using your brain, you retarded holodrone.

>>68248352
That only works if both sides amicably decide to go their own ways. Selen got driven to suicide. There's no amicable separation at that point. She was gonna air all her dirty laundry. This is just Nijisanji trying to get ahead of a controversy to try and lessen it's blow by discrediting the person saying it.

They are sociopaths so they don't realize how evil they look to normal people, they think they can just make her into another Zaion. Watch them wheel out Kotoka/Finana/Millie and claim Selen was evil.

Based Nijisanji. Gaijins deserve what they get. They should terminate the rest of EN.

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>>68248795
Will Enna have Kyo's kid before or after management's children, that's the real question

>>68249723
This.
I don't think anyone, from the management to the talents, has any PR training in Niji. They act like highschoolers on twitter and are stupid enough to ignore a suicide attempt and say "But she breach our contract tho!"

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>>68248352
They assume every employee will just fall in line and take the abuse like good submissive japanese salarymen.

>>68248800
She's under NDA. They will sue her ass as soon as the open's her dirty whore mouth.

>>68248352
Nah that's a wrong take honestly.

Imagine if selen openly admits she tried to kill herself and Niji unironically wrote down "the decision was mutual to separate"
It would be all over this board all the same as sadistic.

>>68248352
Impossible for kurosanji not to shit themselves.

>>68248942
It's so insane to me that they even included that line, what was the angle they were hoping to work?

>>68248352
Especially since she was apparently willing to offer them that route as late as the 26th. Utterly clueless classless company.

>>68248795
almost literally ghosted management too

>>68250938
Their NDA is unenforceable in Canada and they've violated so many workplace laws, that they should be more afraid of her taking THEM to court.

>>68248795
She clearly was communicating with them though. Niji's own statement mentions that as well as discussions with her emergency contact while she was in the hospital. I should imagine her parents are also pissed as hell at this point.

>>68250938
She'd be under NDA somewhere outside of China and Japan though, which would necessitate that all elements of the NDA's application remained above board, otherwise it'd be void in court.

The way they went about it, they'd have to rely on litigation abuse in order to prevent her from doing whatever she wants on top of a nullified NDA

NDAs are actually incredibly fallible if you don't do things professionaly lol

>>68251245
Best case scenario: you're a kid and being this clueless is something you might grow out of eventually.

Worst case scenario: you're one of the former-colleagues and not only do you think your position will be vindicated, but you actually believe the foundations for your own position are anything other than immensely less secure now

Yeah. Keep on doing it and people walk away.

>>68248352
This is troon level of shit, they just let their felling take the pass on logical, smart decisions, and it's why niji is failling. I can't wait the day we learn that half of management are troon or troon suported and everything will make sence that why you never employ people like this. You can screenshot this.

>>68250938
Good luck to that you subhuman shit eater in places that aren't third world countries in terms of workers rights NDAs don't mean shit.

I just really want to know how such a thing ever fucking got past the first draft.

This shit had to go through HR, PR, legal and management and this is the best they could manage? A statement so fucking unprofessional and evil it borders on satire? There has to be some sort of sabateur working at Niji EN because I refuse to believe people can be this retarded whilst being paid actual money

>>68251922
It's not a PR statement. It's a "we know she's going to keep slandering the company, so we must strike first" statement.

>>68251922
Golden yacht goes buuuurrrrrr.
But no seriously do you think 2% hires competent people in any other sector when they cant even hire competent managers?

>>68250938
Bros Canada is under Statute their Labour Law Ranks above any contract and agreement including NDA

>>68252080
Like, I understand the logic of first strike but...it doesn't fucking work in the west. People almost always exclusively side with individuals over companies and this sheer lack of cultural knowledge has just fucking nuked Niji's reputation as a company into the ground as if it wasn't bad enough.

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>>68251870
Canada has signed an international treaty that forces them to recognize and enforce NDAs from other countries that also signed the treaty. She will be tried in a Canadian court.

>>68251870
Bruh we let fucking INDIA conduct assassinations on canadian soil we’re not gonna defend anyone from chinese law. Especially given that her prosecutor and attorneys would all likely be ccp changs.

>>68252396
They have to also meet Canadian work standards which they broke by openly acknowledging work place harassment and failed to do anything about. See the JP version of their statment where they openly admit to such. That'll be a nice add on to the court case in Canada bugman lmao

>>68248800
Except she says she wanted to leave amicably and they wouldn’t let her.

>>68252396
>forces them
Lmao, who exactly? Nigger, treaties get ignored constantly because it's usually not worth starting an international diplomatic incident over fucking anime girls unless Japan for some reason thinks this a great time to get some leverage over Canada

>>68252583
So either Canada up holds its liberal work place laws or it bows to ccp and shows its a bigger shit hole country

>>68252677
>by openly acknowledging work place harassment
You mean how Selen harassed her managers?

>>68248352
Frankly she fucked up and i think she did it on purpose cause she wanted out. Going on twitter to air dirty laundry was just her trying to get fired, even putting old niji members who graduated in the video that was alrrady graduation bait was a sign she was halfway out the door

>>68248352
Well yeah they put this out within a small amount of time, usually a company says a lot of consulting to put out a statement, they just write slander and call it done

>>68252788
Its not even an either, were a certified shithole. Im surprised we didnt just prescribe selen MAID for her suicide attempt lmao.

>>68252796
No I mean how Millie harassed Selen, How her managers ignored it openly and admitted to knowing it happened see the JP termination post, and how even after a suicide attempt they refused her request to leave on mutual grounds.

>>68248352
Nijisanji claims in their statement that they were negotiating for a better ending but Selen made threats to release her own statements about bullying and harassment if they didn't agree to her terms. If that allegation is true then obviously things weren't going to end well, making threats like that in a negation is a good way to turn things to shit. That's if you trust that they're being honest though.

How fucking retarded are they? They just killed two birds with one shot. First, they said it but never specified who are they're talking about so as a result, being a niji liver, you'll be thrown under the bus by you own company even if you didn't do shit even when there's zero reason to do so. Second, same applies for people who mb would like to join EN. That's like surgical hit to your reputation as a company.

>>68252853
They had since Janurary the 26th....you mean to tell me a multi-million dollar openly traded company could not proof read or come up with something better in 9 days of knowing a talent was leaving one way or the other?

>>68248352
At this point I fully believe Niji staff is a bunch of early 20s spiteful bitches with previous job experience being discord mods.
Underpaid retards that get to live their power trip fantasy.

>>68253179
goes here --> >>68248942

>>68252827
She planned this out. She fucking knew that someone in management was a vindictive cunt out to get her. She knew if she played her cards right that Niji would kneecap themselves because whoever hates her couldn't take the bait to slander her.
Doki is a fucking genius. She single handedly vindicated herself, the rest of the ex-nijis who will now do everything in their power to help her get back on her feet as a middle finger to niji, got niji to shoot themselves and is now riding a wave of popularity.

>>68248352
because another grauation after 4 days would makes Niji looks bad so they go with terminayion

>>68253179
Yeah, if I was under NijiEN right now, even if I hated Selen, I'd be seeing red because the company I worked for just placed my entire reputation in jepordardy as a potential workplace bully.

>>68250938
Niji is already talking to lawyers.

If she's not retarded (which she might be) she's lawyering up as well. She should be favored simply because she's a leaf. However chances are it's settled out of court and we don't ever know the confidential terms.

>>68248942
The only people who will believe them are brain rot retards, JPs that don't know any better, and literal subhumans

>>68250938
they cant even sue Zaion
LOLOLOLOLOL

>>68248352
I don't think people realize how much of an ego Jap bosses have.

>>68253459
What exactly did Selen say that is even possibly a violation of an NDA at all?

She said she tried to kill herself and her workplace was toxic. None of that comes under NDA. You're allowed to talk shit about your workplace as long as it is true.

>>68253611
You can't do that on yellow island because honor law or something kek

>>68248352
Because they clearly didn't agree. They might be legally liable if they lie about that, who knows. Selen would want to be able to say something if they tried to make this a graduation instead of a termination. This is unironically the least damaging way it could go for them, just imply the clique bullied her and yeah it wasn't our fault she tried to kill herself lol. Best to slam this out now in between Pomu and Kyo and hope all the bad news just sort of blows over at once. Until the next domino falls.

>>68253611
Just because they won't win, doesn't mean they can't issue legal threats and try and bully her into signing something.

>>68248352
>company cant's into PR
>talents can't into compliance
>both parties can't into communication
This whole thing is fucked beyond repair.

>>68248352
Nijisanji's management keeps surprising me at how absolutely braindead they can be with handling basic Public Relations. It's almost comical. Dr. Doofenschmirtz would have came up with stuff like this.

>>68250938
I'm pretty sure that terminating a contract also terminates any NDAs that were in that contract.

>>68254815
>I'm pretty sure that terminating a contract also terminates any NDAs that were in that contract.
NO THE FUCK IT DOESN'T. That's the whole point of NDAs. To keep people's mouths shut after they get fired.

>>68255437
And yet they still haven't sued Zaion...

>>68248352
look at the big picture and it will all make sense, no tech start up has good pr

>>68255437
NDAs don't protect a company when they're acting like dickbags. Unless bullying is the corporate secret sauce which this being Kurosanji I wouldn't put it past them.

>>68255621
It's not a startup anymore anon...it's a billion dollar company with hundreds of employees which is turning a profit

>>68250938
NDA isn't a shield from the law. It protects company secrets... it can't be used to protect illegal activity. In fact, you're duty bound to report it. There's something called Whistle Blower protect laws. Selen lives in Canada. They can try to sue her if they want, but if she can prove her claims of workplace harassment. They got no leg to stand on.

if you try to kill yourself for any reason you are gay. shrimple as.

>>68253459
The Nijisanji Termination Announcement literally states they conferred with Selen's legal counsel.

Looks the retard is you.

>>68258261
Spoken like a true Cathcuck. I'm not going to purgatory for terminal depression, but I guess you are.

>>68258737
>Kill myself
>Can't game
>Can't jerk off
>Can't read manga
>Can't watch streams
Wow this seems like a great decision

>>68248352
>paint a target on all of your talent by implying bullying was happening
But why

>>68253066
That sounds more like a violation of whistleblower termination laws. Kurosanji probably broke the law numerous times.

>>68248795
is this what the nijisanji staff said to selen word for word

>All this talk about NDA's like any of you retards are lawyers
I want it to happen. No matter who wins the following battles, Nijisanji loses the war.

>>68248352
Japanese companies think acting all scary and authoritary makes them look more respectable, when in reality they just end up looking stupid and evil

>>68253611
And she can just post every threat they make.

>>68250938
NDA's aren't worth the paper they are written on. The only thing they can do is sue for the damages they claim she caused them, and the burden of proof is on them. Also, no sane country gives a shit about Japanese work contracts.

"If we throw her under the bus, that will surely sow enough uncertainty and doubt to not blow back on us."

>>68248352
They don't care about fans, it's an attempt to publicly wash their hands in front of the upper management.

Once again they confirm every worst-case rrat this place cooked up. Why the fuck would they write that they negotiated with her "emergency contract"? Do they really think that confirming she was incapacitated makes them look better?

>>68248352
>be me
>get into pomu and selen a month ago
>only nijisanji livers i've watched
>pomu's graduation and this shit happens

>>68254190
They would have to do that in Canada and that would cost them way more than her. Not to mention all the back-office shit would be disclosed to public.

They won't dare to do shit.

>>68248352
honesty is anycolors policy, lying is cover corps policy, purisu andastando

>>68248352
Niji managers are too spiteful to be content with some mild PR. What they want is to scare the rest of their cattle into submission by example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people
there was no way they were going to let her walk.

>>68250938
lol, have you been paying attention at all? Niji lose all their cases. What they hope to achieve is to scare people into compliance by threatening legal action because they don't know any better. They're powerless in reality.

>>68248352
This is what a strategy of internal competition over limited resources (contractors vs salaried) to weed out the chaff leads to. Bullying and cliques are woven into the company culture to the point that even management won't hesitate to be so petty.
Vtubers are nothing but products for them to push.

>>68248352
You don't understand, Nijisanji is ran by spiteful losers, from management to livers

>>68250938
I swear, it's like you no work retards have never seen or touch a NDA in your life.

>>68261779
And you have no idea how litigious Japanese companies are. They literally sue people for mean tweets.

>>68252311
If they had been a little more vague in the Zaion post instead of giving a detailed list of fucking nothing they probably would have gotten away with it. They don't seem to have a PR manager writing these statements, it seems to be some random manager. And that random manager is fucking it up for them royally.

>>68261779
If she ever wants to go to japan, she won't cross that line. Japan is hilariously strict on this shit and if not for the NDA they can get her on defamation.
>1. A person who defames another by publicly alleging facts shall, regardless of whether such facts are true or false, be punished with penal servitude or imprisonment not to exceed three years or a fine of not more than 500,000 yen.
>REGARDLESS OF TRUE OR FALSE

Compared with how Cover treated Mel and the two boys. And even Rushia too, I guess.

>>68248942
>tries to kill herself and is in the hospital
>HOW DARE YOU NOT WORK? RULE VIOLATION!
what the FUCK?

>>68248352
Nah. Everyone would attack nijisanji either way

>>68263255
They dont have a PR manager at this point who understands how non-asians see the world.

>>68263590
Funny that you're bringing up Cover into this, as one of their staff member who's handling crisis management, had previously worked at Anycolor, as a video editor

>>68252396
>She will be tried in a Canadian court.
And she will be found guilty and euthanised.

>>68265252
Third worlders views of Canada never get old.

>>68252827
>Other Niji projects have included them
>Upcoming Niji projects are including them
>Upper management is incapable of communicating like a decent human being
She said that's why she was baffled and felt singled out for harassment by management who has been fucking her over constantly. This was significantly amplified by Selen being left holding a 15k brick despite those facts.

>>68260048
can you watch enna and millie next? i'll pay you.

Just how many of EN's problems have been caused by Enna exactly? She seems like the most passive aggressive cliquey bully I've ever seen online. Just look at that tweet about cleaning house, while Selen was in hospital after trying to kill herself over the bullying and toxic environment.

>>68255437
>That's the whole point of NDAs. To keep people's mouths shut after they get fired.
Nijisanji hasn't made that likely after smearing her in public. If they had given Selen a termination for not getting permissions for the cover song than she might have accepted that. What they did was to shift the blame for the bullying onto her in a way that was cold even for a Japanese company.

>>68260048
Watch millie bro. That snide tweet following the takedown was incredible.

>>68264097
yeah but niji gave them more oil

>>68267147
Did Millie change? I remember first watching her and she was just a good streamer with a great sense of humour who didn't take herself seriously. But last time I tried to watch her she was always with Enna and seemed a lot bitchier.

>>68267275
her and enna are part of the bullying clique

God it feels good being a holoEN fan.

>>68267587
same but for Phase Connect

>>68250938
The white paper mentions that selen has legal representation. The NDA becomes worked the second you put any effort at all into fighting it.

>>68248352
Their top EN management consists of bitchy backstabbing mean girl diversity/nepo hires, did you expect them not to act like spiteful unprofessional retards?

>>68265622
Yeah, it's sour grapes of the highest quality.

>>68252396
Niji is all bark and no bite. Fucking try it you little bug. Nothing will happen.

>>68248352
BUGGED EMPLOYEE MECHANICS DOOD NOTHING WE COULD DO

>>68250938
Do this and their whole western audience dies, there are people who'd gladly fan the flames just to make the whole thing as insufferable as possible for niji

>>68248795
I consider any NDF posting to just be bait at this point.
No one is pathetic and delusional enough to actually defend Niggersanji after this.
Have a (you).

The
>disagreements, bullying, etc.
sentence sounds so bad. Did they not have a native speaker write the PR? Niji’s statement makes it sound like the company has been intentionally dogpiling Selen and that they’ve done too many things to mention or remember. Why the fuck would you use etcetera in a description of the talent’s complaints against you? Absolute brain rot.

How are they going to ACCELERATE when no one is going to want to join NijiEN now?

>>68267199
Link? I don’t remember this, only Enna’s one with Pomu and then her most recent one.

>>68268306
Hope the EN branch dies and is totally disbanded.

>>68250938
Go back to sticking your shit smeared face up Riku’s ass you vermin.

>>68268485
No the one after the last cup of coffee was privated.

Please god let this lead to a very public and ugly legal battle with Niji. I like Selen so hopefully it’s just Niji putting their foot in their mouth with filings but still, watching them try to come after Selen after demonstrating harassment and unfair hiring practices would be a mint. Selen might walk away with 1-2 of Riku’s yachts.

>>68260916
NIJICOPE

>>68268385
It really does read like they got some ESL intern to write it. But holy fuck it's so funny they try to make Selen out to be the bad guy but put in
>Uhhh the dumb bitch was complaining about Harassment in our workplace and other shit. Eh moving on