/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I don't know if anyone remembers, but a few days ago I mentioned a video some translator did about nijisanji being harder to clip than hololive. I recall someone asking about the video but u couldn't find it back then.
Anyway I've managed to track down the video since then so here
https://youtu.be/OacjtccX044
In case you're still interested

Is numberfagging normal in Asian culture? Pekora's minor yab when she opened a new tab on stream and one of her most visited sites was a JP site for vtuber number stats confirmed her numberfaggotry, as well as a common talking point indonesian posters bring up is stream numbers. The stereotype of Asians and math also leads me to this assumption.

500k subs vs 3kk subs

mmmmmmmm NUMBERS

>>6802510
yes

>>6802510
Yes, but South Americans absolutely despise numberfagging.

>>6802510
Anon JP kids use z-scores on their exams with their whole yearmates as population to know if they're doing good.

Como Sudamericano todo lo que tengo para decir es que amo los numeros y me encantan cuando los talentos se preocupan por los suyos.

>>6802510
You onlybhave to listen to her talk to know shes a numberfag. Its ok though. Girls got dreams.

Kanae just overtook Mito in subscribers.

>>6804142
Sasuga nijimanjj

>>6804142
Nooo milo...

>>6802392
To summarize
>Lots of slang and accents so harder to translate
>focuses on the game so no clipable moments
>There is so many of them that its hard to translate collab so only solo streams

Huh I think from what he is saying we can say that a criteria of Holo scouting department is distinct voice.

>>6803550
What is this

>>6804818
Read nigger read

>>6802392
BS. hololive and nijisanji TL channels were even. the reason was that hololive girls actually pander to eops and more western friendly meme reactions or cute noise someshit.

>>6804641
I always thought it was more Cover having the girls talk in a more Tokyo dialect.
Okayu notably showed her actual accent on twitter one time after she accidentally gave away where she's from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncvxIANyXUM

>>6804818
Current voice pack sales ranking, at least use Yandex if you're ngmi with Japanese. It even works on Mobile.

>>6804963

>>6805210
He's right though. Ars was getting quite sizeable boost during Winter-early Spring 2020 when she was actively pandering to foreigners and was getting a sizeable amount of clips thanks to that.

>>6804963
You don't need TL for noises anon. The reason why there are TL because people where interested to.learn what they were saying beyond the noises. They also get JP TLs and Highlights btw. Among the many many other languages like ES, ID and RU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDCgImAn89Q

>Numbers

Explain Miko's improbability

>>6803550
The kuzuha one seems to be old pack, is it total sales? Either the nijien got a giant honeymoon boost or the rest of the nijis need to step their game up

>>6805719
It's current sales today. He had a rerun.

>>6805553

>>6805741
I see, pretty impressive for a rerun to make it then. He must have gotten a lot of new fans since then

weekly top. not bad for irys and also himehina yay!

Some more random numbers while waiting for the anon to dump live numbers. Number of likes on Birthday VPs and Gundou is there I guess.
>>6805870
It's Chronoir's anniversary.

>>6806144
Any way to guess how much that would be in sales or is it just a shot in the dark?
Oricon sales chart aren't for another day or so.

>>6806225
叶愛Chu

>>6806265
no numbers, unfortunately. Probably high. https://mora.jp/ranking?genre=all&term=weekly&month=curMonth&year=2020&period=yearly

>>6806453
Checked the monthly ranking for June.
Rank 33: Watame no Uta vol.1
Rank 35: Kiseki Knot
Rank 43: Blue Rose
May:
Rank 28: Watame no Uta vol.1

>>6806225
Ruru....

https://itopchart.com/us/en/top-songs/anime/

Anyone have the link of the previous numbers thread?
OP's link if from 2days ago

>>6804641
I don't remember anyone having a hard to translate accent. There's a few holo with an accent as well and I had no issue understanding them.

>>6804062
Excelente mi hermano

>>6807122
>>6768224

>>6807305
thank you

>>6804963
Go be a translator then

>>6804221
Kuzuha and Kanae are probably outliers because the rest of the top 10 are girls.
https://www.nijisanji.jp/en/members?filter=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98
I don't think there's a particular bias for men in Nijisanji. It's just that there's a distinct absence of top men in Hololive, putting them in stark contrast with Niji.

>>6809175
the usual holo numberbragging usually helps motivate me to translate more niji clips out of spite, this is about the only useful thing this thread is good for.

>>6806144
so how's nijiEN's obsydia single ranking? i assume fairly high because they got TeddyLoid, i also recalled Diamond City Lights got a good ranking.

>>6809564
Good
https://www.chartoo.com/itunes/topsongs/anime

>>6809564
Literallywho? Not even under nijisanji one
https://mora.jp/topics/osusume/vtuber/

>>6809687
https://mora.jp/package/43000074/TCJPR0000809464/

>>6809606
that's great, but sadly it can't be compared to holo songs because Hololive tend to not pick anime as a genre on itunes, like Your Mori EP is put on the Hip Hop/Rap genre and Suisei's Bluerose on Electronic, so i assume it will have more competition than if it were to be put on the Anime Genre

Speaking of which Yumeoi Kakeru's album released yesterday is already in top 5
https://mora.jp/ranking?genre=all&term=daily&month=curMonth&year=2020&period=yearly

Kanata is about to become the next "millionaire" next week or so. After her there will be a drought for few months.

Based on Last 30 days, assuming it remains unchanged (it never does on both directions) here is how long it would approx. take for the next girls to join the millionaire club

>Shishiro Botan: 2 months 22 days
>Kureiji Ollie: 4 months 7 days
>Moona Hoshinova: 4 months 28 days
>Tokoyami Towa: 5 months 15 days
>Ookami Mio: 5 months 17 days
>Tokino Sora: 6 months 17 days
>Omaru Polka: 6 months 23 days
>Shiranui Flare: 7 months 4 days
>Yukihana Lamy: 7 months 8 days
>Momosuzu Nene: 7 months 15 days
>Yuzuki Choco: 7 months 16 days
>Himemori Luna: 7 months 29 days
>Murasaki Shion: 9 months 2 days
>Roboco: 9 months 17 days

Gotta say Choco growth here caught me by surprise, hadn't notice her sub rate incline

Is this thread just for baiting and tribalism containment or is there actual analysis going on? Is anyone interested ion a writeup about NijiJP's recent growth?

>>6811460
Don't mind the mess some of us actually want to discuss trends. Please post your analysis, it would be appreciated.

>>6811460
>Is anyone interested ion a writeup about NijiJP's recent growth
Of course


>Is this thread just for baiting and tribalism containment
Nah, it improved recently when the regular schizobaiters got tired and moved to elsewhere

>>6811460
it's their usual incline season. For some reason, they havent got 100k or massive views that aren't a holiday season. nips call them holidaysanji sometimes.

>Summer 2020
20/07/26 105,636 Maimoto Baseball 2020 draft
20/08/16 191,449 Maimoto Baseball 2020 finals
20/08/14 152,771 Maimoto Baseball 2020 Game A
20/08/15 140,514 Maimoto Baseball 2020 Game B
20/08/10 132,239 Kagami 3D debut
20/08/18 118,828 Debi 3D debut

>Winter 2020
20/12/26 102,815 Nijisanji 3rd Mario kart tournament
20/12/31 127,803 Nijisanji NYE stream
20/12/29 118,113 Mikoto Niji Music Festival
21/01/10 107,260 Nijisanji NY Mahjong 2021 final

>Summer 2021
21/06/04 143,270 Fuwa 3D debut
21/06/30 184,653 Lulu Graduation stream
21/07/02 117,475 Ibrahim 3D debut
21/07/17 138,024 Nijisanji Baseball 2021 draft

Alright, so here's the subs growth for last week for Nijisanji JP. As usual, we have Chronoir growing fast on the top, with Kanae overtaking Mito. No news here on top, maybe except a buff for Kuzuha from winning an APEX tournament with his broken English.

Notable female members on the incline right now are:
- Hoshikawa (6th). She has the ambitious goal of hitting 1M subs by the end of this year and is working incredibly hard to get it. Her current incline is from multiple sources: viral short videos, collabs with Kanae, APEX coaching from Shibuya Hal, and the latest one is her CR Cup clips that allowed her to draw in the FPS audience.
- Yuuki Chihiro (9th). The APEX Goblin started a megaproject in the Nijisanji minecraft server with Ibrahim, there's a ton of cross-pollination between Chihiro and Ibrahims' viewers that boosted them both up.
- Shiina Yuika (11th). Another one benefiting from CR cup boost as she's teamed with the two famous CR members that also boosted Naraka (56th) into relevancy last tournament. Also, a horror game collab with Kenmochi is where her cute side comes out in full force.
- Deron (17th) and Onomachi (84th). Baseball tournament buff, with Onomachi getting nearly 10k in the past few days.
- Levi (55th). 3D stream buff and an upcoming concert.
- Sango (82th). From around a month ago her clips basically dominated Niconico's rankings and boosted her from 120k-ish to 145k. Her short game streams now average 2k+ viewers from <1k.

Notable male members' incline:
- Ibrahim (28th). HUGE boost from the minecraft megaproject where he can touch 20k viewers on stream. Also has a PES tournament in the works for next month.
- Maimoto (37th). The lotion curling collab hogged 3 high spots on YouTube trending for days and boosted him from 295k~, and now he's running news coverage for the baseball tournament which will prop him up further, all while being the big name for the baseball tournament as a whole.
- Kagami (20th). Baseball, nuff said.

Upcoming event:
- CR Cup this weekend.
- Kuzuha, Ange, Sasaki, Rion, and Shiina willl start getting their baseball buffs this weekend.
- Chima 3D is tomorrow.
- This Friday this chart will get 5 new additions as the new JP wave debuts after a nearly year-long drought.

Yesterday's superchats (never even heard of most of the second half)

>>6803893
They tend to struggle with numbers

>>6811242
>akirose below mel
ouch

>>6802510
If the numbers determine your income you should numberfag, maybe not above everything else, but it's not weird if you do

Since there is no numbers to bite on to at the moment.
Can I ask when does this site archive/kill a thread?
I see some thread going to 340 replies and it gets archived but some go up to 700 or 1000+ replies

>>6811784
Normies have more time during holidays to watch streams, they should probably be renamed normiesanji instead.

>>6811805
Didn't Gura just returned?
How is she on that?

>>6811784
Wow, that week in August 2020 was packed. Here are the top streams by Hololive in that same timeframe

>2020-08-14 :: ,104789/113092 :: 【初配信】ホロライブ5期生、獅白ぼたん!【#ほろふぁいぶ】 (botan debut)
>2020-08-12 :: ,96692/103408 :: 【初配信】ホロライブ5期生の雪花ラミィです!【#ほろふぁいぶ】 (lamy debut)
>2020-08-16 :: ,92079/97893 :: 【初配信】ホロライブで尾丸ポルカサーカス開演!!【#ほろふぁいぶ】 (polka debut)
>2020-08-13 :: ,75618/80031 :: 【初配信!】ホロライブ5期生、桃鈴ねねある【#ほろふぁいぶ】 (nene debut)

>>6811784
When is their AR concert again?

>>6811886
>when does this site archive/kill a thread?
>I see some thread going to 340 replies and it gets archived but some go up to 700 or 1000+ replies
People would usually tell you to do your reps but thread is slow so some spoonfeeding may be benefitial.

Here is the deal
>Thread dies when it hits Page 11
>Each post bumps a thread to page 1
>When a thread hits 300 posts new posts no longer bumps it
That means after 300 posts it is a matter of time until enough new threads are created to push it to page 11.
If the thread is sufficiently fast it spills way over 300 posts. If it is slow it dies an inglorious death on page 11 below 300 posts.

What is YOUR estimate for when HoloEN 2 drops?

>>6812006
Hololive speciality is second half of the year.

>>6811924
maybe tt is exactly because she returned

>>6812093
>Hololive speciality is second half of the year.
Sadly Holostats started collecting in July 2020 so I can't compare Q1 and Q2 for both years.
>pic related
Things changed a lot from 2020 for Hololive so I think all bets are off this year

>>6812132
here is all I got from early hololive, dunno if you can add an estimate to your graph

>>6812100
Nah this anon >>6811805
was using a different timezone when he said yesterday.
This anon >>6811924
is thinking in terms of JP timezone

>>6812164
It helps to eyeball it but mixing different methodologies in the same chart would hurt the visual comparison.
Given how much changed in Hololive from the Capcom strikes on Mio to now the cutting point of July 2020 is not that bad.
Before that point Hololive was some other company that just so happen to have the same people today.

>>6812081
Couple of points to add, threads automatically archive after 1500 posts, and the bump limit for some reason is 309 not 300. It's very rare for threads to hit the 1500 post limit outside of ~98% of Hololive Global threads, Niji EN threads when a big stream is going on and Holofightz back in its prime.

Ollie is truly getting blessed by the numbers recently with various very clippable moments, mostly related to math, chess and gacha luck.
>pic related and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifZo0fIR7RQ

tl;dr: Ollie is having bad luck with her gacha pulls, summon "Olivia" which gets her a special prize in the first pull.
That clip picked up some 100k views oivernight and it is the sort of thing that boost her with the clip watching EOP.

The thing is:
>Ollie is trying her hardest to avoid being upstaged by Olivia
which makes everything even funnier because her disappointment in that moment is genuine and she IMMEDIATELY regret.

All in all if she plays her cards right she can avoid being upstaged by Olivia **AND** at the same time use her for some growth and memes, Haachama style

>>6812202
Things might change a lot again next year once Sony Music debuts those 50 vtubers they're auditioning for this year. 2022 is going to be even more interesting numbers-wise.

>>6812395
That's entering the market pretty late isn't it?

>>6812081
>>6812217
Oh, ok thanks
I asked because there is not much to do today, the board is very slow unlike the last few days(at least when I asked the question) and there is no interesting stream on, so I thought I might as well ask

>>6812395
>Sony Music
OH WOW!

>On the website for the project, Sony Music states that they will be treating the VTubers who pass the audition like any other talent in their agencies and will share the rights of the virtual characters with the performers under the banner of "VTubers are human, too."
>The agency also states while they'll provide the same resources to the successful applicants as they would any of their other talents, they will not provide a "shortcut" to their dreams.
>"Dreams" seems to be a running theme for the entire concept.

Based on this it seems they'll enter right in the Niji turf. Aren't them Niji investors?

>>6812471
Isn't Konami the one investing in Niji?

>>6812471
Yeah, Sony Music invest 10-20m into Nijisanji iirc.

Should I invest into Bilibili stocks? Looks promising.

>>6812471
Yeah, that's what other anons in other threads are saying. They're not gonna hurt Hololive as much since Holofans are a separate bunch of audience. It'll only serve to hurt nijis of all things. Even more, 50 vtubers this late would only kill the market, not make it more saturated.

>>6812493
Konami is only sponsoring the baseball event. Sony music has $17M invested into Niji as compared to <$7M capital of Cover iirc.

>>6812471
> Aren't them Niji investors?
That’s what confused me. Niji going against one of the largest Japanese conglomerate is pure suicide.

I made a comparison of konami and niji being black company now some dumbass newfag thinks konami invested in niji. BEEG KUSA

Never invest in chinese stocks anons because you don't actually own them.

>>6812451
Application deadline is Sept 30th, two rounds of interviews to be held afterwards, then they need to spend time working with the successful applicants to design the character. Any debut is safely going to be in 2022, probably mid-2022. If they dump all 50 at once instead of extending the debuts out over a period of time it's going to be extremely interesting times.

Whether or not it's late, well, I'd say that depends on whether Sony's entry is a mark of the beginning of the end of vtubing, or whether they're going to spark a new chapter with every major record label/tech company investing heavily into their own vtubers.

>>6812471
Probably looking for the next Ado...

>>6812541
>>6812500
>Yeah, Sony Music invest 10-20m into Nijisanji iirc.
If that doesn't signal "loss of confidence in their investment" I don't know what would.
It is short sighted of them tho, cannibalizing their very own investment this soon cannot work well for them.

>>6812549
Sony most probably invested to open/expand the market so that when they enter its mature enough that people actually buy merch or music. Boomer strats basically.

>>6812567
It's the new seasonal anime arc of Hololive after Coco. Niji was the only competitor to Hololive but they lost the war only to reveal that they weren't in charge the whole time. Sony comes in as they are disappointed in their performance and will handle things from now. Will IRyS and EN 2 be the hope for a future in a world filled with corpo vtubers? The shining light for vtubers with a soul? Find out next.

>>6812471
This is going to infringe pretty hard on both Niji and Hololive
>Music
Hololive right now is trying to build connections and networks so original music doesn't take forever to make. With Sony Music on the scene, they can no longer sit on their thumbs being content to slowly bumble their way onward.
>Avatar rights
Right now, both Cover and Niji own the rights of all the avatars with a few exceptions (Azki, Suisei). This may force them to re-negotiate behind the scene of the terms that Sony offers are significantly better than what Cover/Niji offer.
>50 talent shotgun approach
This is bold. Really bold, and it implies they're going to really put their money where their mouth is. This is going to cause anyone ok the edges of existing companies to re-evaluate if they'll have a better chance starting fresh. This likely applies more so to NIJI talents in the fringe and the various startups that exist. Some highly talented Indies are also going to have a lot to gain, assuming Sony's scouting is at least decent.

Hope Cover and Niji are ready for the big leagues, 'cause this is do or die IMO.

>>6812593
>so that when they enter its mature enough that people actually buy merch or music
They would be better served then by creating a NijiMusic branch, putting some more millions into it, guarantee support for the up and coming artists and one up Hololive by creating "INNK, except a real experience and well funded label with access to the best studios, promoters and airwaves in the world".

Do they really think it is about the anime avatar or even the people behind them?

>>6812634
man, people here are really too new to know about shinogono

>>6812588
>If that doesn't signal "loss of confidence in their investment" I don't know what would.
Does it? It could mean that they see the space as being valuable enough that they need to get a bigger slice of the pie.

>>6812628
Yeah, if they'd said they were looking for 1 vtuber, or 5 vtubers to form a single unit there wouldn't be much cause for worry from existing agencies. 50 is a serious attempt at becoming a significant player in the market.

>>6812634
Basically boomers are running behind the show. They think they know what fans want.

>>6812628
Music within Hololive is still fine. They still get around 200k+ views within a day.

>>6812395
>Sony Music vtubers
fucking ew

>>6812628
>behind the scene of the terms that Sony offers are significantly better than what Cover/Niji offer
You may not be aware of how lowly regarded music labels are with regards to how they treat their talent.

In the past 10, 15 years music labels merged with newspapers, itnernet companies to become arbiter of the truth so the sort of article that villainized RIAA disappeared from the web but their fame didn't.

I'm not seeing a mid level talent like IRyS and AZKI trading what they got for a shot with a label.
I could see Suisei, but couldn't guarantee whether she would succeed or get chewed and spit out like hundreds of equally talented girls

>>6812628
but what is Sony selling? Merch, songs, or music hardware?
Hiring 50 people is like creating another department all together. The staff senior management and all the other people involve is going to increase their costs so much that it does'nt make sense to do it.
All these money is going to be a fucking waste when Sony creates this just for laughs and giggles.
I don't think this would succeed because it lacks focus.

>>6812674
I think 50 will be divided into separate niches. It doesn't say they want all music creator. Just vtubers. It doesn't even say streamers so you might get content creators that would upload stuff. Another thing is the corporate is very sticky in funding basic things. 50 might mean just providing the avatar and maybe stduio recording time allocations and nothing more. This will also mean that it will be 90% more sanitized than whatever Niji talents are producing. They are pooling anyone that is interested. Spamming may or may not work but since they all only have a 1 year contract, you will be able to tell that Sony is going to cut whoever does not perform.

>>6812735
btw, it is not even the first foray of the music industry on "virtual" something. They tapped very heavily in the utaites from the vocaloid era of NicoNico, with some successes

>>6811242
lol sora still doesn't have a million subs. haachama mogs her gen

>>6812735
It'd be stupid for HoloSingers to go there tho, when Hololive is currently doing fine. They're earning much more at HL than at Sony. At Sony, they'll have to compete again for a chance at stardom. Look at IryS, she already earned 32k and 500k subs in a week, not counting her songs or anything. If 50 sony vtubers opens a YT channel and debuts, it's more likely than ANKIMO THE GREAT would kill them.

>>6812735
It's going to be a make or break thing. If you don't perform, you won't get a season 2 kind of deal. Big corp are all about the numbers.

>>6812767
Merch, superchat, songs, voice packs etc. I strongly expect them to use Nijisanji as a model since they had prior investments with them. If they even get two or three heavy hitters out of the 50 that's more than enough to make back the investment.

>>6812840
They're dangling the promise that even if you don't perform up to their standards you get released with the possibility of keeping your channel and avatar, which is still a pretty good deal.

>>6812795
God I want to make passionate love with Reworu. WHAT A BABE!

>>6812735
I'm somewhat aware, having looked into music 10+ years ago and seeing how fucked some of the contracts were. I'm making (perhaps a rather big) assumption that if they wanted to seriously enter this market, they'd have to offer some pretty good contracts to attempt to lure those at the edges of existing companies towards them. But that's a bit worse than I remember (been more than 5+ years since I looked into it)
>>6812791
That's a good point. If they're angling to go for more specialized groups, then the actual numbers that Cover and Niji would be competing against might be closer to 20-25. It's still a lot of pressure that neither company has had to deal with before.

>>6812866
Asoul is backed by TikTok. It would have been best to just focus on a group and maybe a handful of streamers than vomiting 50. I doubt they will get enough funding to reach this level

https://youtu.be/w_ElaQhQMiM

>>6812866
>Implying heavy hitters would go for Sony instead of HL
It's mostly going to be indies that are trying out, not diamond in the rough levels like Suisei

>>6812628
Most of the Holos aren’t even “great” singers.
Most of the success of Hololive comes from the Hololive name. Remove that and a lot of them are pretty much nobodies. Also I doubt Sony would let Suisei keep her model. They would want to own her model.

>>6812829
Speaking of Ankimo, how's the incoming nijiJP wave that's gonna debut holding up against him? Tutorial boss still going strong?

Before anyone says that Sony will handicap other vtuber companies by not allowing permissions, its going to be a stupid move to not market your game to a sizeable audience just because you are competing in the same audience.

Sony is further divided into Sony Electronics, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Sony Interactive Entertainment, Sony Music Entertainment, and Sony Music Publishing. Playstation brings the money not the music division. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/sonys-full-year-2020-results-4174870/..

>>6812908
>It's still a lot of pressure that neither company has had to deal with before.
More pressure on Niji since their business model is pumping as much vtubers out. Their livers will need to compete with 50 corpo vtubers in the next year.

>>6812929
Hololive is going to debut 6 holos in 2021.
I don't think anyone would be willing to gamble on the odds of being chosen

>>6812908
The interest will lay upon the fact that a big corp is releasing a vtuber. Not much else. How is the Netflix and Airasia's vtubers performing these days btw?

>>6812993
The major difference here is that they're not releasing ONE vtuber, they're going for 50. It's not the same situation at all with the prior half-hearted attempts like Bushiroad or the fuck up with Kaguya Luna.

>>6812943
8.91K-15.3K subs with the girl being highest subbed kek. 2 days till their debut. Don't see how they're gonna beat ankimo now.

>>6812973
With the way viewership is being counted right now more vtubers means less eyeball per stream. I don't fucking know what the fuck Sony is doing because this seems like a waste of money. If the senior department sees vtubers as basically vocaloids then Sony Music has some big problems

>>6812973
They stopped pumping out new waves for a year and suddenly announced one shortly before this news from Sony. Maybe they knew this was coming.

So Niji 2 failed and theyre rushing to push out a JP branch?

Oof

>>6813027
Shittier numbers than their EN counterpart, I wonder if it have something to do with the cultural difference between EN and JP fans.

>>6813027
Kek. Sasuga tutorial boss

>>6813061
NijiEN unironically benefits from HoloEN's existence.

>>6813056
It’s odd because Nijisanji dropped the announcement two days before they usually do. Feels to me like something compelled them to debut them fast.

>>6812990
Hololive and Niji is pretty much a religion to many of the people watching them. Gachikois are loyal to a fault. The way Hololive works is that they not only pull you towards 1 girl but to a gen and then to the girls that they interact with. You won't have time to even watch new ones. The whole stopping your stream just to watch an event of another girl is one way they make sure you watch the other girls. Many Holofans don't watch other agencies. That's why you have a lot of tribalist bait threads. Just this evening, people were asking Irys to push her time so that they can watch Gura first before her

>>6813013
Speaking of big corps...

How will YouTube react to this? Up until this point, it's really been just Niji and Cover for corps interacting with consistent livestreams. Will the presence of a corp the size of Sony moving in cause significant changes on the landscape?

>>6813068
That's not even the final tutorial boss we still have Yagoo channel then choco sub channel.

8:40pm in Japan and there's *two* streams, the fuck is going on?

>>6813110
They might care, might not. I don't even watch 2-10 views vtuber on YT live page, so why should I bother remember Sony's new vtubers?

>>6813110
Yes corpo to corpo communications are so slow and autistic we might even see a genuine foray into streaming service if Youtube doesn't shape up to Sony's demands.

>>6813110
YT does not care other than the fact they are happy they are getting more money from ads and sc cuts. I won't be surprised though if we a YT original series starring Niji and/or Holo or a live concert filled with Vtubers. They should actually jump on those. Be SPWN.

>>6813110
Not immediately, I'd think. If they end up being the biggest Sony flop since Amazing Spider-Man and disband after a year nothing will happen. If they manage to be a success it's remotely possible that Sony might start making demands that'll make Youtube a more conducive place for corporate vtubing.

17 minutes till impact. 8 streams about to go live.

>>6813214
That’s always the issue with big corps.
If it’s not making good money they will just scrap the whole project.

>>6813115
Ankimo is like that tutorial boss that you get thrown up against so the game can explain the basics of it's battle system. Yagoo and Choco-sub account are like the final bosses you fight in the initial hub world before you explore the rest of the game. Once a vtuber gets past all 3, that's when you know they're part of the big leagues now. Gura's basically the demon king at this point.

>>6813264
Poor Gura, she will hit 4 mil before anyone reaches 2mil.

If Sony is any smart, they are going to bribe a few big singers/streamers with a great deal, have those act like their flagship, and slave the shit out of every new upcoming talent they get.

>>6813292
But are they going to stream? because from the optics of music it looks like this is just going to be vocaloid 2.0

>>6813316
>This year's “VEE Virtual Talent Audition” is looking for those who want to establish their own identity. No matter what gender you are, what you look like, what genre you are good at, what kind of streaming experience you have, or even your nationality.
>VEE is the largest virtual talent development and management project in history, to be launched by Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) Inc. or SMEJ, in 2021. We aim to debut over 50 virtual talents from this project, and in addition to live STREAMING and video production, we will develop music, voice acting and an array of creative activities for each virtual talent to make their "dreams" come true. Sony Music Group (Japan), which has developed a wide range of entertainment businesses, will support the activities of the virtual talents by making the most of its know-how and solutions.

>>6813292
More likely, they'll pay Hololive to collab with their vtubers kek

>>6813348
I love how they put "dreams" in quotation marks lmao

>>6811802
>Hoshikawa wants 1 mil
Would she be the first Niji to do it or am i forgetting any? Quite a tall order considering she tends to be a middle tier niji but hard grind can create small miracles

>>6813289
Gura is basically what happens when you use a gameshark and have quick level gain enabled. After beating the final boss Ai, she's pretty much just fucking around in the post-game.

>>6813399
Kuzuha, Mito and Kanae are the ones getting 1m this year I think.

>>6813425
and then you feel depressed because you didnt even know it was cheating

>>6804641
>focuses on the game so no clipable moments
Is this why clipperfags only do post-stream talking clips?

>>6813348
It does not say they will stream. It doesn't even say they will have their own YT although it makes sense for them to have one. If they release an album and only focus on shilling in T. V. maybe they will get big. Maybe they'll just get a vevo channel. Lol

>>6813399
Doubt she makes it. No offense to Hoshikawa but she's nowhere near talented/charismatic/meme-able enough to do it. Grinding can only get you so far. Maybe next year assuming she doesn't burn out or lose traction.

>>6813508
Either that or attach yourself to Matsuri, but that’s playing with fire seeing how much of a menhera she is.

>>6813495
Their PR talk like
>VEE is a new virtual talent development and management project that generously offers all our production and management knowledge, assets, and environment.
and
>You can concentrate on creating your own worldview, regardless of the real world. You can create a story with your friends in real time. You can challenge yourself regardless of your past career. The potential of virtual live streamers/VTubers is still to be explored.
points to them wanting to be an agency like niji or holo that runs a bunch of vtuber channels instead of a super curated virtual singer group. There's already plenty of the latter running around in the first place.

>>6813563
Funniest thing is that HSKW is not only a close Haachama long time personal friend but also applied for the "Haato-sama" part which went to her friend.
One of the reasons for the recent Matsuri meltdown was the in person date Haato and Hoshikawa had recently, in the same time range she was not responding to any work related inquiry.

Assuming Haachama comes back I wouldn't put past both blondes to collab more often

>>6813438
Quite possible they do seem to have decent sub growth. Seeing so many people with a 0 sub gain in 7 days just feels wrong. Did none of them stream? Niji is more relaxed when it comes to that

>>6813573
So they will share the rights to a 2D avatar. Maybe even a decent computer if you don't have one. Maybe time in a studio where you can record stuff. But not much else. It's like a creative contract where you are asked to push a product with a set amount of time. It's going to be better than niji if they do push their talents to produce content in a regular basis. It's going to be better than Cover if they actually release good songs. It's going to be better than both companies if they actually fund any efforts the vtuber wants but I doubt that would happen

>>6813563
Hoshikawa might market herself as a Stacy but even I doubt that she's desperate enough to whore herself to that menhera.

>>6813689
The real question is are they going to give out a salary or go the niji route?

>>6813633
i love how haachama triggered that literal who while on break. based.

>>6803893
Hummmm, that tells a lot about this board.

>>6813719
Do normal record companies give a salary?

So this is bullshit

>>6813853
Context?

>Iofi
>Risu
At this point I GENUINELY believe ID 1 girls ceased to care and are sabotaging themselves.
They can pick whatever time slot they want and they pick
>head to head with the tail end of Pekora stream
>head to head with Ayame, Subaru
>head to head with SUISEI PLAYING TETRIS
>head to head with each other

That's pure anti-numberfaggotry in action, pretty much a statement that they don't care about numbers and are satisfied with whatever they are getting.

Also
>Look at the holoblokes go!
I'll have to start adding them to the screencaps because they're beating HoloID sometimes

>>6813853
>2500 live viewers
>2700 votes on a poll that's been open for five minutes.

>>6813879
Meant for>>6813865
r

>>6813852
>Do normal record companies give a salary?
Nope, music labels give "an advance", charged against your record sales.
>AND EVERYTHING GETS CHARGED AGAINST YOUR RECORD SALES

Booked an studio?
>it gets charged against your sales
Promotional material
>it gets charged against your sales
Needed a lawyer to clear some permission
>it gets charged against your sales

It is the worst of both world: like Niji they don't have a base pay and like Holo they get expensed for everything the label does for them

>>6813873
hey dont lump moona sachou together with those retards

I kinda wonder why no company has considered making a big time vtuber as a sponsor. Like Netflix creating a vtuber is great and all and I'm sure that it's a lot more cost effective as well. But the exposure that N-Ko chan gets is pretty much 2view tier at this point. Wouldn't it be more sensible for a company to sign a famous talent as a brand ambassador the same way Gatorade and Nike uses athletes?

OGA 3D

>>6813879
Viewer churn, viewers tabbed out, and viewers counted as spam because you are watching multiple streams.

>>6812085
Around October when we all start going into lockdowns again

>>6813938
Anon this isn't Holostars General, this is numbers.
Put in a question like "will this break Shien's numbers?"

>>6813926
N-Ko sounds like a random bilingual californiasian girl forces to do the job. You`d expect sony to recruit actual enthusiasm

>>6813944
>5 minutes
>100% poll interaction

>>6813944
Going by twitch streams only about 60-70% of live viewers actually vote on any polls put out so assuming a similar ratio for youtube they must be cutting out a good 40-50% of viewers. It's insane.

>>6813909
At least with Cover you can just sidestep them I guess. Give them the minimal amount of revenue split.

>>6811802
Ngo getting the attention she deserves.

For Deron, she also had a concert live as part of YT Music. 35k live viewers, quite a few new subscribers i recon.

>>6813926
The issue is signing a talent to promote JUST your products costly, and not worth it. At best, doing ambassador programs is the in-between that offers flexibility to both parties. See the red-bull promo that happened with aqua and Botan. Sold out in a flash.

That more companies are now approaching Hololive with these types of things whereas before it was mostly Niji indicates that companies are aware of the advertising power of chubbas from both companies now.

>>6813912
Risu is playing a **singing game**, something her fans are memeing for a while now (her singing abilities as the top of hololive) but, instead of hyping it and showcasing her ability
>like Sora or IRyS
shes memeing her run.
>and spending time moderating her own chat

I say she's OK with her base pay, she clearly is doing it for the lulz right now.

>>6814037
Aqua isn’t really brought up much here but she really is a sponsor giant in Hololive.

>>6813977
How new? the way youtube counts live views works is completely mystical unless you've been on the board for a while and knows that youtube actively culls viewers that are not watching the stream and only the stream.
If you open a new window or tabbed then its not counted.
If you have adblock then its not counted.
If you have multiple streams on, theoretically only one will get a view.

>>6814018
>you can just sidestep them I guess
They clearly don't need to, girls can make as much or as little money as they want based solely on their personal effort and commitment to the job, with a minimum pay guaranteed.

Reminds me a lot of real estate agents, they have a token pay and an unlimited ceiling of how much they can make based solely on their hustle, their commitment and their willingness to risk big to win big

>>6813909
Didn't Suisei manage to create her own MV of her own song when she was broke?
I remember a clip of her talking about that but I forgot where it is anymore

I love these numbers.
>subaru 31k
>pekora 21k
>ayame 15k
>suisei 11k

>>6814108
Was talking more specifically about music.
Generally it is true though, you make as much money as you want in Hololive, you need the motivation to do it since your hand won’t be held.

>>6814183
Current or peak?

>>6814183
current

>>6814200
https://holo.poi.cat/youtube-stream
Check individually here the way our ancestors did before vnuma

>>6814183
Jesas. Subaru is seriously coming into her own now. Those are Pekora-level numbers. Any specific reason for this?

>>6814230
Officer Subaru is doing her job investigating in MC

>>6814230
Occam's razor: She is just entertaining

>>6814230
She’s doing oozora police stuff.
In general the major clip channels have Subaru as a favorite.

>>6814270
MC tours and Oozora Police are buff streams respectively but combining them is just great content for her.

Lol so many newfags in this thread. Or more like the newfag thread.
So far the amount of successful debuts of big companies in vtuber scene is 0. NONE.
Not sure why you're having delusions about Sony being different in any way.

>>6812085
Either at the end of this month, or october. August and september is just fucking retarded when it comes to events for hololive, there's like an anniversary or birthday every four days.

>>6814377
I’d say expect an announcement tonight or next Tuesday if it does happen.

>>6814351
Airasia and Netflix was a flop. Imagine if sony debuts 50 vtubers in the scene kek. It's just funny. Don't they have numberfags lurking in these channels or something?

>>6814351
Interestingly enough, there's a lot of them recently. Are they all from the doxxcord?

>>6814351
It depend where you look. That A-Soul group is quite successful so is Virtual Real and it's affiliates. They are both backed by big corp. Sony is big corp. Most debuts nowadays are from small companies that have no brand recall and that are recruiting streamers. They are not limiting the scene to streamers. Sony Music are debuting 50. Not just 2-3 which means there's a high chance at least 1 one of them will do decent.

>>6812510
>Should I invest in [insert chinese company here]
Are you a chinese citizen? If so, yes. Otherwise, no.

>>6814120
>Didn't Suisei manage to create her own MV of her own song when she was broke?
That’s because in her indie days her side job was exactly making MVs for other vtubers. She’s truly a diamond

>>6814503
So the Holos doesn't necessarily needs Cover to make a music of their own?

>>6814494
>Are you a chinese citizen? If so
Are you a current thread to the party? If so then no. Also
>TikTok is LITERALLY (as in literally literally, not figuratively) owned by the Zhang

>>6812471
It's odd, they seem to be more similar to vsingers than livestreamers. I mean actual vsingers, not the weird hybird thing that Hololive tried with their vsinger. Think Ado, not hololive

>>6814351
Of course they've been flops, but so far they've been completely half-assed 'hey kids' level of bullshit.

Being wary and aware of your potential competitors is wise, especially when they make bold moves such as recruiting 50 talents. If Sony was announcing a chubba for their gaming division or something I'd have much the same reaction as you.

>>6814397
Yea, lots of people predicting end of July, hence why NijiEn dropped wave 2 and a bunch of smaller groups debuted all last weekend.

>>6814544
True. If they want to pony up the cash and hire outside help they can. And they need to if they want to really shine, it’s the difference between Suisei’s Ghost and HoloEN country roads

>>6814478
I was talking about Japanese big companies of course.

>>6814573
Gen 2 announcement would be after MC Collab Screenshot this.

>>6814544
They have never needed Cover for that. The only thing I know is that they use their managers to make requests and such so if you were a music producer, you will see that the email is coming from Cover and not from the talent. Suisei talked about this when first sending a request to Inotak. So they are tools that the talent can use but all cost production is shouldered by the talent

>>6812840
Supposedly they are letting you keep the avatar and all social media accounts even if the contract isn't renewed after a year, so even if you do get let go you don't walk out of there with nothing. In fact compared to the other vtuber companies out there that's actually a pretty good deal.

>subaru mogging pekora
Life is good

Man I kneel

>>6814602
Netflix and Airasia are not big JP. Only one I remeber debuting vtubers are that girl that had the same mom with Sukoya. They are more used to host stuff but the main channel to shill card games ain't that big to begin with. I use them because they are backed with big money from BiliBili and TikTok. They got 3D and music production funded. Who knows if they actually get big named JP YTubers and JP indie musicians to become Vtubers. It ain't that far off to see that this can big if handled well and is funded well. It doesn't look like they have to hide their previous identity as well

What happened nousagi? Why does pekora only have 20k viewers???

>>6814695
You are filtering to only show manjisanji I see

>>6814494
But it does not matter if I'm Chinese or not, stocks prices does not magically increase for citizens.

>>6814351
This is the numbers thread where people armchair analyst about what it would mean for Sony to dump 50 vtubers into the market with the support they claim they'll provide.

This isn't the feelz thread where you just magically know because Bushiroad failed their half-assed debut of 3 vtubers they don't even support or promote it means Sony is definitely going to fail their serious attempt at creating a vtuber agency.

>>6814695
You can feel the testosterone levels of this ranking

jokes aside, why did you filter out the females?

>>6814807
if you aren't chinese you have no course of action if they suddenly pull out.

>>6814451
No, they are all from twitter and reddit and facebook and all the other social media platforms because the concept of containment is absolutely lost on the newniggers that infest 4chan these days.

>>6814852
>>6814763
thats the manjisanji schizo

>>6814695
This is the real current standing. Duck Supremacy

>>6814735
You'll see a lot more if you look around at news sites like mogura and pr times but most of those were canned.
I wanted to find another big ass virtual talent or whatever project with 3D models but was unsuccessful so far. Only remember that somebody posted a link at vtuber general many months before.

>>6814909
This is in Philippine Pesos btw. Don't get shocked by the currency numbers

>>6814909
Which site is this

>>6814909
>36k viewers for the talking autism game
>over something actually interesting like subnautica
poor pekora

>>6814935
If I remember, it's php 45 = $1

>>6814976
This is playboard
https://playboard.co/en/live/top-viewing-all-live-in-japan

>>6814594
Nah the country roads situation was because of the issues of recording a group song over three continents when 3/5 of the members didn't have access to a professional studio and in one case didn't have access to a proper mic.

>>6814854
>if you aren't chinese bilibili ceo
fixed

This applies literally to every single stock.

>>6812510
You seem lost,
>>>/biz/
is over that way.

>>6814914
Found it! It was another Avex project.
https://twitter.com/ReVornProject
Auditions ended in December. Guess how their talents are doing now. Definitely more popular than Hololive/Nijisanji.

>>6814909
Kneel.

>>6815244
>Definitely more popular than Hololive/Nijisanji
You baited me

>>6815401
Wait what the fuck? Aren't they supposed to be backed by a big company? that looks like someone tried to make 3d hentai in 2004 using Half life 2's source engine.

>>6815244
>virtual idol project
>music and concert focused
>barely stream anything, only 3 out of the 10 have their own personal channels
The differences in approach between this and hololive, nijisanji as well as the agency Sony's trying to set up is pretty clear.

I genuinely wonder why there is a fewer shitposter shitting on nijisanji on this thread. Did they perhaps die?

>>6815534
We'll see. While they're preparing you can meme this as another Nijisanji/Hololive killer.

>>6814909
Update.

>>6815561
To be honest is a slow day. Nothing to shit about or get impressed from.
Maybe when nijijp debuts their new gen.
People here already forgot nijien2 numbers because they are so small.

>>6815713
No use for lives. Subaru already peaked 36K. It's HL win for today.

>>6815738
People might remember them if they beat Yagoo account.

>>6815738
I mean in Holo standards yeah but the penguin looks like she’s going to break Elira’s record for being the fastest niji to break 100k subs.

>>6815713
Apex, MC, Normie stuff and Baseball. It's amazing that Pekora is surviving with 20k playing Subnautica.

>>6815561
>I genuinely wonder why there is a fewer shitposter shitting on nijisanji on this thread.
There is a simple explanation: there was pretty much only one (1) falseflagger playing both parts.
You can easily recognize him, he is the only one using
>nijicucks
>holobronies
Likely the same one pretending "gura vs. pekora" was a thing, and pretending "sodapopping" (or whatever) was a thing, and "kuzuha/ibrahim/flavor of the day vs. pekora" was a thing.

Without that one retard this threads very civilized

The new NijiJP that will debut this week is approaching 80k followers on Twitter yet their YouTube accounts haven’t even reached 20k subs. Wtf is wrong with JP fans? Shouldn’t they subscribe to be notified on their debut?

>>6815878
Nips basically use twitter like facebook, so their engagements on twitter are always more impressive. Also nijisanji is a topic on twitter so it gets pushed to alot of nip normies

>>6815878
Twitter people dont translate to youtube

>>6815878
If they think EOPs would watch them by giving us a bilingual nip, then they're very wrong.

>>6814544
Anon literally every song and MV besides Azki and Irys are paid for by the Holos themselves.
Other exceptions are the bloom songs, or anything else published on the official channel

>>6815780
The penguin seems carried by design her streams numbers are pretty low and i expect her subs to slowdown. Only the purple dragon shows promise for future numbers.

>JP primetime is over
The winner of the day is: Subaru

Special mentions for
> Oga: Holobloke beating all of ID girls streaming today
> Ayame: beating everybody (including Gura) that streamed before her except for Subaru and Pekora

Special demerits go to
> Watame, Fubuki and Flare
They better be getting paid to play whatever game they are playing because it debuffed them so much some Holostar almost beat them for the day

>>6815968
They are playign opposite subaru minecraft and pekora, and also they each have thier own viewpoints for some reason so the viewers get split even further.

>>6815693
Not claiming Sony is going to kill holo or niji, but calling everyone who doesn't think Sony will automatically fail newfags is funny. Especially in a numbers thread, where you'd expect people to have enough basic comprehension to understand why hololive and nijisanji, and to a smaller extent companies like 774 worked, and why previous corporate-backed virtual projects haven't taken off.

>>6816010
>>6815968
They just want to play as bakatare.
They don't care about the numbers they get because they're having fun with friends.
There are other streams to numberfag about but not this one.

>>6816017
After seeing so many projects (starting with Virtual-san wa Miteiru) fail because suits didn't give enough shit to understand what makes vtubers work I don't have too many hopes left. Unless Sony has learnt from all the previous attempts and their experience with Nijisanji and actually going out of their way to do something different.

>>6816158
>There are other streams to numberfag about but not this one.
Not in the numbers thread anon. This is the thread that would live comment
>Pekora locking Noel and Marine into the bathroom, sealing it and slowly adding Zyklon B for the suffocation ASMR
and lament the fact Gura is streaming Muse Dash in the same time slot splitting the audience

>>6815968
Along with the winner of the day there is the
>KNEELING OF THE DAY

Gotta kneel to the Lofi Girl: WHO WOULD WIN?
>THE COMBINED FORCES OF THE MOST POWERFUL VTUBER COMPANIES IN THE WORLD
>ONE (1) HUMBLE LOFI GIRL WITH BEATS TO RELAX/STUDY TO
THE ANSWER WILL SURPRISE YOU!

Joking aside that fellow that made this channel struck gold. The songs are provided by indies, the illustration is simple and in a loop and superchat is always open so he can just count on the benevolence of strangers to make mad bank.
He could EASILY make the lofi girl a streamer and make even more money, but in exchange for more work so it is not a winning proposition most likely

>>6816238
The description on their website just makes it seem like they're going to imitate Nijisanji's approach, being streamer-focused. There's nothing in there that pigeonholes their talents into being virtual singers or virtual idols only. But fine, I guess we'll see. I think they'll be more successful than previous attempts because they're not taking the creative lead on content this time. Doesn't mean they're going to instantly steamroll the competition but there's certainly a chance they establish themselves as the third big agency by throwing money & streamers at the wall until something sticks, if they wanted to. They're big enough for that unlike the other companies that tried.

>>6816238
The whole brand image that Sony is putting up is that you can be the best version of yourself creatively with your friends without the concern of thinking you are ugly or don't have the money to do so. Pretty much what Niji and Cover is providing. The only question is how much backing are they going to get and if those people will be main streamers or just main content creators or singers with a channel. Another contender of course is scouting for both the talent and 2D designers and riggers. If they nail their scouting then getting good numbers for a handful will be easy. The fact that they are giving the talent creative freedom and right to their avatar is already a good sign that they might get JP Indie talents that are already successful to try it out.

>>6816473
And for the underrated undernumbered stream of the day
>Choco Reine oneesan collab
The MILF energy emanating from this is off the charts and both are smart to realize the synergy of their characters and exploit that.

They will likely never compete for the big numbers but mostly because Susan would debuff them out of envy in 35 milliseconds

>>6816619
Rushia and Noel is doing Asmr at 20k. It was a hard choice. Not to mention Aqua, Botan and Nene are still streaming. It's a tough crowd.

>>6816840
Yeah I'm interested in the Choco Reine collab but there's no way I'm missing out on Rushia Noel ASMR

>>6816840
it is all fun and games until Noel brings the big guns (KU100 Dummy Head Microphone).

Noel is so proficient at it that she could EASILY quit Hololve and become the poster girl / saleswoman of that system and make mad bank.
Sadly ASMR does nothing for me (not even Haachama's) so I'll stick with being a MILF sommelier

The fact that so many streams started later today and the fact that everyone started streaming around the same time indicates that there probably was some sort of group meeting/recording that needed many of the talents to be present.

Also, something to note for Suisei: Taishi had started to livetl on her channel (the bloke that used to love to for Coco).

I'd like to see if this has a significant impact on her channel's growth in the long term, so graphanon and/or anyone else keep track, please make a note that Suisei should now have a dedicated translator on her channel.

>>6817133
He had a poll on his Twitter (?) on who he should do liveTL for and people chose Suisei

>>6815878
Twitter followers are more important in the end. More fan engagement. Irys barely had 150k followers before debut but 250k subs. Her numbers are now a disaster.

>>6817133
He's still testing the waters. He's also in Mio's and Marine's channel, to see which one he'll choose. He posted in the subreddit saying he'll still follow Coco, but he likes Hololive and doesn't want to stop translating for it. So it's early to say if he'll stick around for Sui-chan.

Schizo conversation posting. I made Green Me as Sony.

Sony music vtubers huh
>VEE aim to debut over 50 virtual talents from this project, and in addition to live STREAMING and video production, we will develop music, voice acting and an array of creative activities for each virtual talent to make their "dreams" come true.

So basically vtubers without anything new? How is this going to compete in the market?
>Well they have the backing of Sony Music

So which resources are better utilized when joining Sony music?
>Better studio equipment, Song permissions and corporate backing for game permissions.

So better vtubers with higher costs? At least tell me you're going to expand the market.
>With corporate backing, Sony can advertise vtubers to a whole audience in YouTube

If you can market it better why YouTube? Can't you market it in traditional media (TV)?
>because they're virtual youtubers

Why does it have to be Vtubers then? Why can't you just scout regular people and not increase cost by having an avatar? Does having an avatar streaming in YouTube enough to be successful?
>Well Niji and Holo are successful

You got to be stupid if you think resources are what made niji/holo popular.
>We can produce music better than everyone else.

If you can find talents that have a good voice. You don't need 2d avatar or 3d rigging, you can just use a mask if you want anonymity.
>But we want them to be vtubers.

Green Me is not so good in arguing in defense of Sony.

>>6817499
Some anon provided the one and only good argument in favor of Sony
>they want to find the next "Ado"

They boarded the train in the wrong station tho, they should have done like Hololive and scoured the old NND looking for the talented ones there years ago instead of following the leader right now

>>6817499
>If you can find talents that have a good voice. You don't need 2d avatar or 3d rigging, you can just use a mask if you want anonymity.

What are you on about. Part of the reason why some female idols or singers don't get enough fame is because they are ugly. Even famous Seeiyus are traditionally beautiful women. You are also removing the fact that they providing these "artists" or whatever they are shared rights to the avatar. So let's just say Pan Piano or Rainych gets a 2D so that they can perform in JP without actually being there, do you honestly think it won't be a hit? Are you dumb as a rock. They literally have nothing to lose. This is just going to be an added income source for them. They aren't even required to hide who they are.

>>6817326
I believe the big two that were the top on the poll on Reddit were Suisei and Kanata, but yes he's going to test the waters to see which channel fits him the best.

>>6817801
>So let's just say Pan Piano or Rainych gets a 2D so that they can perform in JP without actually being there, do you honestly think it won't be a hit?
They have to be there. One of the requirements is
>nationality not important, but must live in Japan

>>6817801
>So let's just say Pan Piano or Rainych gets a 2D so that they can perform in JP without actually being there, do you honestly think it won't be a hit? Are you dumb as a rock. They literally have nothing to lose. This is just going to be an added income source for them

Think of the fucking costs to actually do that. Not worth it.

>After all this time Nene still don't know how to fly with Elytra
There is a reason Botan s clearing 20k viewers, this is comedy gold

>>6817801
Mona is undoubtedly more famous than Shiina Natsukawa which is her VA. Same voice but people is more attached to Mona than her

>>6817868
They will open the application for everyone. They only have JP at the moment.
>>6817881
What cost are you on about. This is virutal. They can be on the other side of the world in a studio and have an AR concert in JP. It has been done before. Honeyworks and many others is a thing.

>these humble chikins made 34k dollars in superchat so far
Goes to show how powerful the drive of VTubers is, Rushia makes this in two weeks time on her low earning periods

>>6818013
>They can be on the other side of the world in a studio and have an AR concert in JP

Ever played an online game on a different server. Better yet, ever used a company VPN to access company proprietary files on a different continent?

>>6818013
Kizuna Ai just had a "concert tour" in the US

>>6816238
Why is this giving me PS1/Saturn/N64 vibes? But I do wonder if they have enough people who understand the market working on this project like what happened with the OG PS1 crew or if they've all been replaced by the Californian suits?

>>6818111
Have you heard of Virtual Concerts??? Even if they don't do AR having them live on YT for everyone to see is not impossible. People do it all the time.

>>6817930
thats just Nene collabs in general honestly. she brings both endless energy and great retard energy every time. this time with the added bonus of the best camera man in hololive filming it all

>>6818013
You are SEVERELY underestimating the cost of managing talent.
For the same reason they won't take any Joe, Dick and Jane out of the streets to form a band they won't do likewise for vtubers.
I truly believe they will apply the same model the apply for bands
>if you either have a proven talent as an indie or a very high profile "sponsor" vouching for your talent you're in
>if you don't make it big in one year you're out

Gotta give it to Kuzuha
>he may not always be #1 but he's always up there

>>6818237
And you are severely undermining the profit that can actually be gained from this kind of project if done right. You were complaining awhile ago it doesn't make sense. I give you proof that successful acts has come from this like Honeworks. Heck I can even add the Gorillaz here if you want to go global. I only give you known talents because I like them but this obviously applies to any mid-tier successful content creator in YT right now. They will share the rights to the 2D which means already leverages the fact that any effort they make will not disappear and they will get royalty even if they decide to quit after 1 year.

>>6818439
>You were complaining awh-
Stand still anon, this will only sting a little. You truly need to do your chan reps and realize not everybody you are answering in an anonymous thread is the same person.


>Heck I can even add the Gorillaz here if you want to go global
See >>6812471 again. Live streaming is a requirement, and so is living in Japan. They are looking for streamers, not merely singers

>>6818237
If fucking Nijisanji can manage talents in 3 countries then it will not be a question that Sony can. They have the money. They already said they are opening to everyone across the globe.

>>6818196
>People do it all the time.

So basically vtubers without anything new? How is this going to compete in the market?
>Well they have the backing of Sony Music
You just admitted that the cost is too great so its okay for it to have lower quality.

>>6818439
>if done right
Anon admit it you haven't actually planned an event have you? Better yet been on a position to handle cost/benefit analysis.

ITT anons who think throwing money can solve problems.

>>6818542
>If fucking Nijisanji can manage talents in 3 countries
Truth be told it is not very hard for Niji
>give talent a base model and create an youtube channel and a twitter account
>update the HQ website to add their name and pic
>have no payroll to worry about (as they don't actually pay a salary)
>leave every talent to fend for himself
>???
>profit!

>>6811904
The normie factor is key to any competent Niji analysis.

>>6818539
They are saying to "perform" during live streams and IRL events. They never said traditional streamers. They also were opening it everywhere. Not just in JP. Read the whole article and not just the snapshot.

>>6802272
And the winner is... Jun! Pekora is so proud of you!

>These new 3D models put Cover and Anikara to shame!

>>6818581
>>6818631
Did you read the article or what?? This is Sony Music. They are not new in organizing events. Virtual Concerts is not a new thing. Kizuna Ai has already done this with Nyanners in the US together in multiple concerts without big backers. Virtual Idols in BiliBili right now are making bank holding big concerts backed by Bilibili and TikTok. Honeyworks does the same. Again, just because they opened it in JP first does not mean they aren't anywhere else. They already said they will. And bringing something new is solely based on who they hire retard.

>>6818581
Samy way Hololive and Nijisanji gets so far ahead of anyone else: brand.

estimates?

Here is what you anons are forgetting: if Sony Vtubers flop, they can still just dump them up over at Bilibili

>>6818967
>straight girl in Nijisanji
Somewhere between $0 and the average yearly income of this thread.

>>6818831
>This is Sony Music. They are not new in organizing events.
On the other hand they are also investing in creating virtual events on fucking Roblox.

>>6818831
>Kizuna Ai has already done this with Nyanners in the US together in multiple concerts without big backers.
Anon, virtual concerts is something that is nearing 10 years old already.. HELL, Hatsune Miku was filling IN PERSON events in two thousand fucking eleven.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9Zt9HY-ik

Why are you under the impression that having a person behind the avatar (instead of a computer program for both the voice and the model) is any more disruptive than what already existed a decade ago?

>>6818631
Hey how's it going man, Other anon is talking out of his ass. Any numbers you are watching for?

>>6819115
>Any numbers you are watching for?
For today Oozora police surprised me. 30k is no small feat for a run of the mill minecraft stream.

From the time Subaru gave up "Oozora Kensetsu" (after building Shubangelion) and decided to go with "Oozora Keisatsu" she struck gold!

>>6818831
>>6819093
Btw, the one company that could enter the streaming/music market and make it big, bigger than even Sony would be Crypton.


Miku is bigger than Jesus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9Zt9HY-ik

>>6818831
This isn't going to be anything new than what they have done before when taking in Indie Artists and giving them a bigger stage to work with. Some flop some don't. It's an investment. They have money to spare. They aren't solely looking for streamers. They added friends so it's possible to get a group act. If they get a group together like Ensemble Stars then they are set for life.

>>6818718
>Pekora losing to Hayato
b-but Nijisanji is bad!

>>6819188
I wasn't aware of her going to do this stream so I'm quite sure plenty of clippers are having a field day already. If she announces a court like thing kinda like ace attorney then I can only imagine the numbers.

>>6819414
im getting a boner

Gura and IRyS didn’t do too well.

>>6819647
Irys has been monetized for five days

>>6819338
Aqua is also losing to Onomachi Haruka who usually gets around 1k viewers, didn't know she was doing that bad lately.

>>6819414
Right now she's judge, jury and executioner all in one. Making it a trial would certainly be kino, time to shoot her a marshmallow.

>>6814983
i usually watch peko but these shitty unity 3d graphics filter me

>>6819647
what metric is this even suposed to be?

>>6819647
>IRyS
the fact that she is even in the list is an achievement in itself

>>6819093
Again. If you might not have been aware, a number of acts has already sprouted that has gained financial success. Love Live, Ensemble Stars, Bandori, Gorillaz and even Hololive can be counted there. So you are already pointing out that Virtual Concerts are already a thing, so what was your point about it being impossible? Big Corps can manage it because they have the money to do so. Virutal Idols is already a thing in Korea and China.

>>6819647
anon, sc money is pocket change to gura
also your picture isn`t either daily, weekly nor monthly chart from playboard. So fuck off with your retardation.

>>6819678
>Irys has been monetized for five days
My list was showing “Peak Concurrent Viewers”

>>6819693
I'm not sure you can compare a once-a-year company-wide campaign to yet another gacha stream.

>>6819819
Maybe you should've labeled your fucking chart then

>>6819780
>what metric is this even suposed to be?
Peak Concurrent Viewers

>>6819819
Label your charts dumbass

>>6819647
you are a disgrace to the numberfaggots

Does Sony have experience managing streamers? It's scary to think about but Cover and Anykara management probably have the most experience with virtual talent.

>>6819797
I will not be surprised if famous Seiyu Idols shows up in their roster of acts.

>>6819902
None, they will most probably outsource it which means higher costs.

>>6819902
They can hire people that can. I won't be surprised if they created a whole new department just to manage this thing

>>6819647
what the fuck are you even doing cropping so many from the top? also:
Kuzuha - 1 day ago - 3:29 - 311k views
Gura - 13 hrs ago - 2:55 - 376k views

>>6819902
Yes, look up Kaguya Luna.

>>6819647
Are these peak CCV?

Gura was playing a game that's mostly played out at this point, was streaming at the same time as Ame, and has probably lost some viewership due to doing such a piss-poor job at informing her fanbase outside of the ones who watched her last stream that she would be gone for at least 4 days, if not more. She is absolutely HORRIBLE at communicating these sorts of things.

IRyS was streaming part 2 of one hand clapping and was streaming when Gura was still playing through the EXACT SAME GAME, so she took a pretty big hit and only peaked when Gura stopped.

>>6819693
Aqua was pulling Uma Musume Gacha and has stopped if you're comparing current numbers (SC reading now)

>>6819879
It was posted on a whim, mainly to show Gura and IRyS. I had no idea people wouldn’t understand it without further explanation. There were no $ signs in the image.

>>6820097
Because Playboard is mostly used for SC. do your archive reps newfag

>>6820032
>what the fuck are you even doing cropping so many from the top?
It’s just for Gura and IRyS, which is listed in my post. I seriously didn’t think people were going to be this interested. I’m kind of amused.

>>6820174
>Because Playboard is mostly used for SC
I tried vnuma first, but it’s down

>>6820248
Alas, VNUMA is RIP.
Hopefully someone throws up an alternative eventually, but until then we're kinda scraping along.

>>6819976
>>6820018
I wouldn't be surprised if they scalp from Cover or Anykara. Would be interesting to see if they create a management platform for managing streamers in general, not just vtubers

>>6820248
Oh boy your getting into my nerves, go check the archives newfag or better yet learn to read the thread first before posting.

>>6820182
A section of chumbuds are also Irystocrats. Their scheduling draw some debate. People wanted to watch both in succession. Some SCs from Irys were asking her to stream at a later date like 11PM without pointing out the fact it's because they wanted Gura to finish her stream. This wasn't the case when Ame was overlapping her guerilla with Irys the other day. It's surprising that they draw a similar crowd given how much people were pitting the two together

>>6820330
Oh god think of the costs. creating a management platform is essentially buying an infrastructure for a market that is currently a niche.

Thread is killing me with stupidity today. I guess I have to watch a vod today.

>>6819647
Gura, Irys and Amelia overlap their schedules so they split the EN viewerbase.
I still didn't import the "live viewers per minute" from holostats so this pic is eyeballed but shows what happens when Gura streams over your slot

>>6820330
Skills are transferrable. They can hire Talent Managers and such. I'm pretty sure their legal team will handle getting permissions. Their content will still be reliant to the artist anyways. It's not like before where everything is scripted. I won't be surprised if some of the artists they hire don't adapt any lore whatsoever to their 2D. It will just be a 2D extension of who they are already

>>6820559
For context: That peak is when IRyS finished and went to SC reading.

>>6820348
>learn to read the thread first before posting.
My post was simply comparing the numbers for Gura and IRyS. Your post is a waste of space.

>>6819797
>Love Live
ON the back of an established industry (idols) and a very fucking sucessful anime to boot

>Gorillaz
If you consider Gorillaz in the same league you should at very least to use Daft Punk as the example as they're absurdly more sucessful and their senpai too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8

Signed to Sony music too (among other labels)

>>6815968
Towa really just needs to sing to get ok numbers eh? I supposed having you own timeslot helps too.

>>6820740
>comparing the numbers for Gura and IRyS.
Might as well compare Pekora and AZKI.

The big suprise is that the ENVSinger ended up being more modelled after Suisei than after AZKI or even Sora. That's a novelty for Hololive

>>6820824
INNK is getting disbanded and Azki is getting folded into hololive, on top of which seeing the difference in performance between Azki and Suisei might have given the suits in cover some second thoughts on how to approach their vsingers in the future.

>>6820744
I used Love Live because of the fact that their Seiyu cannot be interchanged with anyone. When they do any Live Concerts, it's going to be their Seiyu. Not a stand-in. This is the same for any famous Virtual Idol Group in Japan. I am not counting Hololive there btw. Some of them are undoubtedly more famous than the Seiyu themselves. The divide of having your own 2D representation and your own personal life is alluring to many artists. Not to mention the fact they still keep the royalties even when they quit. A lot of talents in JP strive to be in this industry because they know they won't make it as their own IRL even with the same voice and song.

>>6812670
If they wanted a bigger piece of the pie, they could have just bought AnyColor out. Sony probably can tell that there is something wrong with AC's business model and they would rather leave their internal teams handle it rather than rely on a company with a unpredictable track record. I mean, look at them. Nijisanji went from top of the chuuba world to distant second in the span of a year.

If there is one thing that could save Niji is AC getting bought by Sony (which they're clearly not doing), or merging with some of the other agencies to pool resources for major events and merchandise.

>>6820824
It's the correct path IMO, and if IRyS goes down to 2-3 streams a week then we know that there's music in the works.
The issue with music stuff is that there's a lot of down-time between each step of the way, so unless you've got a gig outside (Such as AZKi) or are doing a lot of non-streaming stuff already, why not stream to increase your presence and rake in some dosh in the meantime?

After all, you can only do so much singing reps in a given week if you want to keep your voice in good shape.

>>6820876
>INNK is getting disbanded
No it isn't. The only thing that's changed about AZKi's project is that they got rid of her planned graduation. There's been no official word or talks about shutting down INNK, which is essentially AZKi's whole team.

>>6820976
>When they do any Live Concerts, it's going to be their Seiyu. Not a stand-in
In this case it doesn't even have anything to do with VTubers, more similar to what you said: Gorillaz, and what I said, Daft Punk.
But if that's what they're angling for there is no overlap at all with live streaming, they will be much more a competitor for their pump and dump flavor of the week (Doja Cat?) that to Suisei, Sora, AZKI and IRyS

>>6821038
Big coprs means numbers and end-goals. There's a number of talents in Niji that won't be able to meet those goals even if we discredit the SC and live-viewer numbers. Just the frequency and commitment is not there. They will have to force all those people to churn more content and that would defeat the image of Nijis being hobby livers that do this for fun.

>>6821261
It really depends on who they hire. They already said in plane words, people that will perform in live streaming and live events. Not just gaming or shitposting. Since they are giving the acts autonomy then that means the acts themselves can stream on a regular basis if they wanted to. Much like what Irys is doing right now or any Vsinger really.

>>6820876
>might have given the suits in cover some second thoughts on how to approach their vsingers in the future.
>>6821051
>It's the correct path IMO,
Yeah, Tanigo is so fucking lucky because he had 2 pokers in the fire
> Sora as a "streamer / mascot / idol singer"
and
> AZKI as a pure virtual idol
and what paid off was
> Suisei as an indie turned virtual idol turned Tetris genius turned psycopath turned proper singer

>>6821427
He also had Miko in the works who was supposed to be some kind of mascot for a game they were trying to make or something, this was before Hololive so if Sora didn't burst onto the scene back then she might have possibly been canned.

>>6820667
>some of the artists they hire don't adapt any lore whatsoever to their 2D. It will just be a 2D extension of who they are already
that would be the death of vtubing as we know it, as it`d give even more reason for trendhoppers to jump in

Speaking of Love Live
>there are anons IN THIS VERY THREAD that still didn't recognize the "NIIICONIICONIIIIII" embedded into Haachama's "HAAACHAAMAACHAMAAAA"

You can't possibly hear this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TVa7DYAAhM
and not immediately see the parallels.
Is it an "open secret" or I figured something out that nobody thought befoer?

>>6821734
>as it`d give even more reason for trendhoppers to jump in
Given the reception Pokimane got into the community it wouldn't last long until they give up.

People underestimate the primal race of the anime autists

>>6821785
>prima rage

>>6821734
Dude. Have you heard of Nijisanji? They have plenty of livers that are just an extension of themselves. JKs. Teacher. Farmer. Salary Man. Host. It ain't strange. Some just put more stock into their background info. Some don't

>>6821038
they could only buy out the japanese part of anycolor, meaning they`d have to share it with the chinese. I wouldn`t go for it either.

>>6821845
Im talking about having a separate persona. Every vtuber is techinically an extension of themselves, because it is played by themselves.

I don’t watch Ame, but just noticed she made 5th place (in pic). This is still “Peak Concurrent Viewers” (pic now shows it to avoid confusion).

About the numbers I had posted showing Gura and IRyS, I’m thinking Cover changed Gura’s time slot simply to fit IRyS in at an earlier time? Although people are saying the overlap can lower both their numbers a bit, it’s also likely Gura streaming earlier than normal could do that as well. This can be noticed when Gura was streaming before IRyS even got on. I think Cover was better off leaving everything as it was.

>>6822008
Maybe they'll go the VirtualReal Star route. That was successful.

This seems higher than the usual live viewers she gets for her streams, right?

>>6822138
>I’m thinking Cover changed Gura’s time sl-
You really need to do your reps anon, for the longest time it is the talent deciding their slots.

As for Gura streaming early I'll make a bold assumption here and assume whatever problem she faced may have forced her into a road trip across some American timezones.

>this newfag thinking Cover organizes stream start times

>>6822265
Saddest part is that Cover SHOULD definitely do that and force some coordination between the talents to avoid some very awkward head to heads like Gura and IRyS streaming the same game at the same time slot yesterday (much to the detriment of the newcomer).

But they don't and maybe it's for the best as chaos is the best seasoning to any entertainment

>>6822224
lol, her stream after this will have significantly lower number than that.
hilarious

>>6822138
Irys is going to be streaming earlier for this whole week, check her schedule.
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1416677384044961793
she says shes still testing whats the best time for her and her new fanbase

>>6822138
Just some info. The peak for Ame was because she did a guerilla stream where she was dancing to copyrighted music in her chibi 3D. Gura's schedule is weird if Cover was actually adjusting the time to fit Gura because historically, she streams at 8PM. She started streaming at 9PM 2 weeks ago which was 1 week before Irys debuted. Something might have come up for her to change to 9PM. Anyways, the change in her sched is not because of Irys. Irys herself already said that she scheduled 10PM because people requested that she stream at an earlier timeslot. People are now requesting for her to change it again. Another point to make, Amelia is clashing with Gura because she is scheduling streams at 9PM as well. You can check her sched on Twitter.

>>6822224
no idea who that is, since you cut the channel name part

>>6822325
Cover does help coordinate them (eg Rushia asking manager about some special stream times live, sometimes), but never force them

>>6822238
>it is the talent deciding their slots.
I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that Gura’s schedule changed to an earlier time right as IRyS comes into the group. I think Cover as a company is deciding some of this important stuff.
>>6822265
>newfag
I’m not new. Also come up with an argument before you reply to me.
>>6822391
>Irys is going to be streaming earlier for this whole week
I know that, which is coincided with Gura streaming earlier all week as well. Which explains why I felt Cover wanted to fit IRyS in at an earlier time.

>newfag comes into the thread starts speaking as if he knows how the company should be run
>thinks his opinions matter
>knows almost nothing
>gives his opinion anyway
>what a faggot

>>6822224
>>6822377

What would it mean if she gets bigger numbers streaming face out than with her live2d model? Is her design that debuffed?

>>6822462

A certain vtuber's personal channel.

>>6822554
Special streams is one thing, there is an unspoken agreement that streaming over anniversaries, birthdays, 3D Lives and such special streams is poor form so word is sent down the wire to prevent misunderstandings as

it happened last year when I don't remember who didn't finish her stream fast enough before I don't remember who else started her special stream and people started telling her on chat to do it.
Maybe it was Rushia and somebody else but I don't remember exactly as these thins are useless knowledge.

>>6822627
based melposter, where have you been

>>6811242
>Sora over a million
>Roboco over a mil
It feels weird.

>>6822325
It's inevitable. They only 8PM-12PM. Gura likes to play long games. Even if she starts early she will still clash. Ame will be the same. If Irys streams at 11PM then she has to finish her stream much earlier because people will drop off. I don't mind 11PM btw. I don't want her stressing about the time though. I think this is atleast a good sign that NA wants to watch her live. I see a lot JP and SEA in her comments and SCs. The JP edge is helpful for her

>>6822571
>I think Cover as a company is deciding some of this important stuff.
BAHAHAHAHA, you give Cover too much credit anon.
Most people criticizing Cover management do it for the exact opposite reason they should. Their take
>Management is micromanaging stuff
true take
>Management for the most part doesn't even watch the streams, even the fucking chat plays a more active role in preventing the girls from self imolating in front of a 20k audience
See: Haachama

>>6822682
>I don't remember who
it is usually either rushia or ayame

>>6822694
Weirdest part would be Choco beating Luna to one million, along with Ollie beating anyone (specially Moona) to one million.

>>6822325
You really don't want Cover to start micromanaging their talents. That's entering black company territory.

>>6822664
it's just first stream and birthday buff.

>>6812628
>Hope Cover and Niji are ready for the big leagues, 'cause this is do or die IMO.
Cover and Niji are streamers, not singers. Sony is probably looking for an Uto, rather than a Fubuki.

>>6822827
reaad the fucking thread, pretty sure people have already posting thebsony vtuber streaming quotes

>>6814078
We can't really see anything outside of their internet numbers. If they don't get publicized, we can't talk about the numbers.

>>6822827
>an
You mean 50, right? Because that's the number of chuubas they say they are debuting.

>>6822405
>time was changed 1 week before Irys debuted.
That’s why I think Cover moved her time. Obviously Cover new IRyS was coming in a week.
>>6822554
>Cover does help coordinate them
That’s what I was thinking. It would make sense.
>>6822627
ad hominem
>>6822728
>you give Cover too much credit anon.
Not really. Suggesting certain preferred times in order to prevent at least some degree overlap (not all), seems sensible.

>>6822793
>That's entering black company territory.
Nah, this "black company" thing is thrown around a lot with regards to VTubing but it has nothing to do with what regular JP office workers go through.

>8AM to 11PM office hours
>1 hour min crowded train commute IF YOU'RE BLESSED or tiny matchbox paper thin walls appartment to sleep and make one (barely) hot meal a day
>NO OVERTIME PAY plus the expectation of not EVER "otsukareshama"ing your coworkers before some min 3 unpaid overtime hours to not lose face

In my line of work I am more or less blessed with the ability to make my own hours and even then there are mandatory "touch points" with set schedule to ensure everybody lines up their tasks. This is not "black company" behaviour, it is "organized company" behaviour.
With that said Hololive is perfect as it is, warts and all and after the changes in mid 2020 (respecting copyright, taking harassment claims seriously, having more management doing backstage work) there is not a lot to improve there without removing the
>SOVL
of the company

if you need any proof of their coordination, check how pekora and marine never start a stream at the exact same time, it is always one of them taking the 9 pm jst and the other going around plus or minus 1 hr

Ad hominem in 4chan! How could you?

>>6822995
That's an agreement 3rd gen has within themselves, though. They've been starting at the exact same time for literally years now.

See newfag you're newness is showing stop posting and start lurking.

>>6823044
>>6822995
I think Noel talked about this - they have a 3rd gen timetable where they put their streams in.
They try to avoid overlapping start times, but after an hour, it's fair game to overlap.

>>6818967
Above 80k