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Blackbean Chapter Eight >>66801599
Tags: Mio, Watame, Reine, Fumino Tamaki, FWMC, Lui, Ayame, fantasy, adventure

>>66833071
I plan to keep Mel's future role and appearance intact. She unfortunately just did a big dumb, and it doesn't appear to be malicious in any way. She's a cute hagpire and I still want to write her eventually.

Live!

>>66860607
Meeting your neighbor for the first time and realizing she's a sweaty hag in need of love

>>66863636
How would you come to that conclusion? The sweaty hag part is obvious, but the need for love is a little harder to peg off an initial meeting. Maybe you end up having to bring something that got delivered to your place by accident and see the poor state her own living space is in?

>>66864018
You realized it when you went to shake her hand but she raped you instead.

>>66860607
Mel almost broke her NDA but cover stopped her in time and (You) as her manager is asked to be her live in manager and try to tard wrangle her 24 hour but its all Mel and Yagoo ploy to bring next gen loli banpire chuubas will you escape from Yagoo and Mel ploy or would assist in bringing and raising the next gen loli banpire chuubas

>>66864889
As if I can be raped so easily.

>>66865863
Should you really post that with a Pekora image

I am the Samuel Clemens of our era.

Are there any limits on kinks you can use for story requests?

>>66867763
Not really. If you got a lot of kinks though that you want in one story, it might take longer to see it completed. Or you can hope that they'll all be covered within a series at some point.

>>66867763
Only to the limit of what you think someone would want to write

>>66860550
(not a fic, but anchoring for visibility and so it might get added to the archive rentry)

I wrote a basic chrome extension that shows the word count for google docs, rentry, etc.
It's just bodged together (over half of it written by copilot) and mainly for the convenience of having a rough word count.
https://github.com/WGNanon/WordCounter

I only made it for chrome because that's what I use, but it probably shouldn't be too hard to rewrite it to work with other browsers. I just can't be assed to do that myself.

>>66867626
>Make a reference to another fic
I am officially Borges and Bolaño.

>>66865863
Doesn't this imply that you would be raped?

>>66867763
The weirder the kink, the less likely it'll be written.

The chance it'll be written is close to zero regardless.

>>66868247
I don't know if it's weird but I may just not request it anyway.

>>66868247
I mean, we have a wedgie writer, bugfucker, and someone who wrote the most batshit insane fics for the sake of shock.

>>66868352
The bugfucker never wrote anything of his own and the other two wrote out their own fetishes - they didn't make the requests of others.

>>66867763
Not really, but /wg/ has prompts rather than requests. It's less like looking for a contractor, and more like presenting an idea in hopes that you will inspire someone. The more interesting the presentation, the higher the chance of it sticking around in someone's mind.
>>66868440
I wrote Extrapedestrial in reaction to a fetish prompt, at least.

>>66868597
>I wrote Extrapedestrial in reaction to a fetish prompt, at least.
God bless you, anon.

>>66868323
Post it.

>>66868323
Tell us what you had in mind! Whether you end up prompting it or not, you can't just vaguepost and then leave!

>>66869281
>>66869102
It's embarrassing, I'll drop it in the thing in a little bit maybe.

>>66869617
Just post it dude, this website has seen worse.

Only kinda of vaguewriting we tolerate here is when characters are being purposely vague and foreshadowing. You WILL share the idea you have. Tell us about the kind of story you want to see in the world.

>>66869617
We have literal bugsex, scat, cannibalism and other fucked up shit being posted as requests, whatever you have isn't going to be a shock

>>66869617
Is it as embarrassing as Ayame mommy play?

>>66870111
I can see why you would like her to be that for you.

>>66870111
Didn't know I wanted that

>>66870111
That's not embarrassing, Mommy stuff seems popular these days.

>>66870240
Not sure it could be pulled off though nor do I think we need another version of "rrat Ayame" but she's a mommy who loves to spoil you (and may or may not fuck you whenever she feels like it).

I wonder if it would entirely destroy Mio's character.

>>66870304
Well, the kind that exists to give lonely, unloved men the feeling of having a safe place, of being loved and cared for. Not the kind that involves diapers and roleplaying as a baby.

>>66870477
I take it you like the latter?

>>66870111
that sounds hot

>>66870648
No, I was just unsure which kind y'all were meaning.

>>66870477
>Not the kind that involves diapers and roleplaying as a baby.
I just wanted to add that when I meant "love to spoil you", I don't mean shit like this.

Course you guys probably already knew that. But I just wanted to add that wee bit detail because that's the ONLY fetish I hate for "mommy" play. But I would hate others if they get off to it.

>>66870477
No diapers? No bibs? No pacifiers? No baby talk? No goo goo gaga?
Weak.

Ayame as a mommy? She feels a bit small and young for it, but I guess you could work with her being 1500+ years old and having oni strength.
Or you imagine her with a bit of a different look, like in pic related.

>>66871174
Mommy play, not Ayame as a mommy

>>66871202
Fair, but I'd still want her to look and feel like a mommy for that.

>>66871174
What about adoptive mom, like in Maquia?

>>66871202
What about a surrogate mommy, like she just really likes caring for you?

>>66871202
>>66871174
>mommy's little secret starring Ayame where she enters an incesteous relationship with her beloved son (You) but doesn't have the bad thing like a Hana character

Yeah I think "Mommy play" sounds better.

>>66871377
You know the Hana character was a central element and NECESSARY for the story to hit as hard as it did? Way to completely miss the point of drama.

Moms and aunt are just all over the place huh.
Don't forget your roots, /wg/, there is one true mommy.

>>66869830
>>66869883
>>66870111
It's. I may be a little bit of a cuck.

>>66871714
I'm perfectly aware of that, anon. I only put the "doesn't have a bad thing like Hana" because it would make no sense for Ayame to be a "abusive mommy" towards (You).

Or would the "Hana character" instead be an "auntie" that doesn't like your mommy one bit and tries to get legal custody for you?

>>66871764
Still nothing, we got a resident cuck here as well

>>66871764
It's different to be a cuck than to be a bottom, Anon. My ex used the wear the pants in bed, but I wore them outside of it.

Unless you're fantasizing about your single mommy Ayame getting drag into the bedroom by her boyfriend, and all you can do is hopelessly wait as you know they're railing her.

>>66871735
>Don't forget your roots, /wg/
Abuse?

>>66871826
>>66871843
Ah, okay. It's embarrassing. I'm not the Ayame anon, although Ayame is cute as fuck. I may also be a bottom.

>>66871897
... that too.
Mommy Mio neglecting and abusing Subaru to the point she gets groomed by-
Wait.

>>66871735
Omelas and its fan chapters?

>>66871826
>>66871843
What if likesph?

>>66872165
CC, our resident cuck, doesn't seem too into being humiliated so you're bringing something new to the table. And hey, I like men who are happy about me fucking their gf.

>>66868062
Nice work.

>>66871377
>mommy's little secret starring Ayame
Don't you mean Onti's Little Secret

>>66872952
Oh you.
But would it still work if she's an "onti" but can still do mommy play?

>>66873047
Sure, I mean, if the oni is there and the mommy is there, it counts, right?

>>66873230
Then I'd be perfectly fine with it. Although I do think it'd just be another "ALS" but there could be a twist (you could still have drama in it and all) where Ayame does adopt you (thus the auntie becomes the mom) and still throw in things like incest because she loves you that much.

Or not who knows. But mommy play Ayame would be a nice change from the usual (but its still fucking) "rrat slut Ayame". Hell you could throw that character personality in with the mommy personality and see how it plays out.

>>66873488
>But mommy play Ayame would be a nice change from the usual (but its still fucking) "rrat slut Ayame"
Hey, that's the first new rrat!Ayame version /wg/ has come up with in a long time. I feared we'd be stuck at the fightsexual discussion stage forever.

>>66873488
*(but its still fucking hot)

>>66873671
What you got against fightsexuals? You wanna fight about it or something? Cause I'll throw down.

>>66872526
I guess I feel a little less bad about it now.

>>66871764
You'd be the third regular of this type if you stuck around

>>66875407
So what did you have in mind? You tied to the bed, pathetically thrusting upwards while your chuuba gf hovers her pussy right above your dick's apex, making fun of you for your insufficient reach?

>>66876406
That's a good idea. You all are too good at this. Denial play is nice.

>>66876937
Is it better with a guy fucking her from behind at the same time? If yes, should he do or say anything apart from the fucking?

>>66877152
Nothing "directly" mean, but maybe something like "Come on Anon, put it in, put it in!" While she gets railed, and you dick is barely grazed by her pussy lips.

>>66877152
Yes, it's better. I'd prefer he was quiet.I did have something in mind but this is getting to me.

>>66877533
>>66877557
Now there's two? I thought the point was that you didn't breed.

>>66877736
There does appear to be another one. I'm the anon who was shy about it.

>>66877736
Oh I'm just adding stuff to the prompt, even though it's not really my fetish.

>>66878194
Oh, you're the impostor.

>>66878354

>>66877557
>>66877533
I should probably say who she is, too. It's Ina.

>>66878759
Would she be comfy and gentle?

>>66878802
Yeah. I know that's contradictory but I like the whole thing to be gentle, comfy and for fun, more than to hurt. I like the thought of her laying and cuddling with me while someone else is fucking her or she's sucking at someone else.

>>66879017
Is it cucky enough if she is being fucked by her (personified?) tentacles?

>>66879862
Absolutely. Her tentacles would be great for it.

>>66879862
Being compared to past lovers in size is also nice.

>>66871764
me too!

>>66880733
Nice to meet you. Nice to know I'm not alone.

>>66880045
>>66880603
Well, the tentacles could easily outcompete you in the sex department...and they could be personified to the point where Ina compares individual ones to you, if that works as a replacement for human(oid) lovers.
>>66880733
Hi CC, glad you're still around writing.

>>66881009
It does. Although there's nothing quite like her liking someone else's dick more than mine.

>>66881156
a bit of a subtle idea. but what if when she's around you--her boyfriend, she's always bundled up and keeps her hair tied in braids, looking a little nerdier.

she acts cute and innocent but you're already cursed with the knowledge of how she really is, and when the time comes to visit her bull once more, the switch flips and she lets her hair down, exposes more skin then than she would if its just you and her.

>>66881009
getting there, bit by bit

>>66881156
I guess it's not either-or. Maybe her first crush took her virginity in high school and she looks back on it very fondly, because she was so insecure and inexperienced going into it but he was so good to her.
Now she's a sex veteran getting railed by tentacles when and how she likes it, while you're lacking in both experience and equipment.

>>66880733
>>66880825
We should all hang out and have me fuck your oshi.
You're not allowed to watch though, only listen.
That one Robin00 animation where Miko fingerbangs herself while Suisei gets railed awakened something in me. It's not cuckoldry per se, but that feeling of spying on someone, of being an spectator...

>>66881517
I like subtle. I'm really into small marks of ownership. Collars, rings, hidden body writing. Little touches to signify certain things in public, or little things just to tease each other. I don't know about having a consistent bull, but the change in attitude and attire when meeting with someone for sex is an amazing idea. I'm still shy about this fetish.

>>66881523
That's great, actually. She likes it more rough, thicker or bigger than what I can give her. The tentacles can easily do that, especially with size and teasing there.

>>66881856
if it's your thing give my fic Shameful Desire a read, it explores the more guilty feeling side of the fetish.

What if two cucks had their respective girlfriend suck the other cuck off? Sounds like quality time.

>>66882068
Will read. I like to keep happy feelings as much as I can with this fetish because of how harsh it can be, but I'll probably really enjoy your fic.

>>66882224
I like this kind of thing a lot, I don't know if the Chloe cuck does.

>>66882224
that's just swinging you silly baka

>>66882290
and I am

>>66882377
I think sharing like that can be sweet, and it's good for me making friends. I know it's just swinging but it's a good way to explore getting deeper into cuck stuff.

>>66882377
Fair. Maybe it's a different hole so they can talk about how pathetic their respective boyfriend looks fucking the other girl.

Mel is the softest Holo.
Her voice is tender and warm. Everywhere you touch her, her body is soft. Her hair like velvet. Her skin smooth and fair.
It's very unfortunate that the softest, smoothest part is her brain.

>>66882641
>>66882590

what if the girlfriends give the other girls tips of the things their respective boyfriends are into and make it a mini competition between the two of them to see who can make their boyfriend cum the fastest?

>>66882806
stop bragging, Choco.

>>66882927
Watching her play with someone else would already make me really excited. His girl teasing me and playing with me during? I'd lose it pretty quick.

CC has a Padawan now? That's fun.

>>66881740
t. Mumei

>>66881156
Hmm...

https://rentry.org/a6bdudta

Hope you cucks like it.

>>66884334
Call me that it makes it seem more embarrassing.

>>66886970
I'm sure I'll love it, I'd like to save it for when I can 'enjoy' it.

>>66886970
It is fucking weird how this is like the first time we've had this particular low hanging fruit NTR scenario be written out.
Like don't get me wrong it is actually decently written but man, it is weird to think that this is the first we're getting the watching from somewhere else and jacking it thing.

>>66887963
It's weird to think of this as ntr, I wrote Ina getting fucked by her own tentacles (kind of nonconsensual) but hit a block

>>66887963
There was Dusk that Follows an Autumn Day

>>66886970
Thank you for this. I did enjoy it, a little harder than I usually like but still enjoyable.

>>66888155
I think at some point it's one of those things where it's effectively no different. I see the point where you were implying it was actually Anon imagining the dialogue and action but well as you leaned into it, it seemed like you went away from writing about it being imaginary and just wanted to write about Ina getting fucked by her Bull. I think if you wanted to close that plot thread you effectively had to have an epilogue revealing it was the tentacles but at the point you ended the fic the difference between it being real and 'imaginary' are effectively nothing.

>>66888667
That was a good one. Shame WAv2 has mysteriously disappeared.

>>66888667
Yeah I do remember that fic but it was, for lack of a better phrase, more up front about it. The subtle cucking stage kind of got skipped and it dove past that even if it held it back during the ending.

>>66888977
I just spent $5 on his Ko-fi asking where he's gone. Fingers crossed for a reply.

>>66888851
What kind of soft cucking are you into?

>>66888977
I jerked it hard to some of the scenarios, just wish they had lasted more than 3 lines.

>>66889363
I will attempt to explain my preferences soon.

>>66884334
I'll an honor to take someone under my wing
>>66887154
I shall dub thee, C2

>>66890428
Please be gentle, senpai.

>>66888945
I'm not the writer of the piece, I never finished and published mine. In my version the tentacles have a mind of their own but consider Ina's subconscious desires.
Basically she gets assaulted by them after having horny thoughts (not the first time it happened, plus they assaulted Ame previously so she's no longer on speaking terms), she feels guilty about feeling good, so they alleviate the guilt by giving her butt a nice lashing before letting her come.

>>66890428
>>66890489
You two gonna start ERPing in the thread or what?

>>66890715
it would end up being more writing than what usually goes on here

>>66890715
uh...no. That would be obnoxious and i don't want to become/turn C2 into peko fag 2

>>66890715
I barely know CC, I don't want to ERP with him. At most we'll just talk about the fetish or stories or something.

>>66890943
>>66891020
Well, you two are boring.

>>66886970
Third cuck here, this is absolutely and totally my cup of tea. I think it's the closest anyone's gotten thus far to matching the kind of teasing emasculation that gives me butterflies, excellent stuff, Anon

>>66886970
>>66860550

>>66894259
I want Aki Rosenthal to sit on my face

>>66894259

>>66892319
I'm already very shy about what I like, and I'm still trying to find the right words to explain it to >>66889363. I'm sorry to disappoint.

>>66860607
(You) are a homeless bastard, and it just so happens that your oshi just got fired from her job and is now homeless. You just so happen to have a box she can stay in for the night, but she'll have to put out for you first...

>>66896255
It's better for me I think if it's just one dude instead of multiple, feels more intimate and personal, especially if he takes charge of little things here and there in daily life and in bed. Sending the cuck off to buy stuff for them while they're going at it is a really hot power move that I'm surprised someone came up with without the context of other stories in the genre

>>66895941
I would also like that thing you just said

>>66898806
for Aki to sit on your face, or sit on anons face while she teases you about it?

>>66900467
NTA but her sitting on my face and teasing me while going at it orally with someone else would be oooghh...

>>66900467
The first one. But if the second one was in the context of a threesome, I wouldn't mind

You all seem accepting, would be bleached be okay here?

>>66901659
I have never seen good writing (even by captioned hentai standards) come out of the two sides of the raceplay fetish. Shit's usually just either the most basic ass cock worship dialogue or a string of hilariously abusive femdom dialogue.

>>66902047
I also realize how obnoxious it can get quickly. It is basically just cock worship at some point. I just thought to ask.

>>66901659
I was personally never one for race play stuff. I get it if you're black and into white woman, but in the end it feels like blacked vs bleached is just a pissing contest between the two races asto who can be a bigger asshole
But I'm going to run off a limb and assume you're Asian and like the idea of your pure Asian waifu getting stolen by white men to go with your SDH (assuming you're C2)

>>66902470
You are incorrect in every assumption. I feel like you're very right though, about the whole pissing contest.

>>66902114
On that note, I'd like to see a fic with Kronii cock worship

>>66901659
Captions are one in a million for fapworthiness. It's an inherently stunted format (2nd person, limited to a couple paragraphs at most) so it takes an artisan the likes of which you rarely find in the wild to come up with something that doesn't come across as incredibly cringeworthy.
If you just mean raceplay in general though I think it's a fine enough spice to sprinkle onto many NTR narrative shells. When it starts to consume >50% of the banter though I check out personally, not nearly comprehensive enough a quality to make any but the dumbest of bimbos submit to it and come across as believable. The most tasteful use to me is tattoos/clothing indicating the girl's preference and then her never verbally bringing it up.

>>66902703
Unrelated but this just making me imagine a Futa comedy fic where it's about Kronii getting praise despite her small cock. And the joke is that it's only small by Futa standards and the given dimensions just have it be above average/large by normal people standards.

>>66903111
I like it subtle, very hidden tattoos are a good way to go about it, or just mentioning it as a small preference. I hate extremes. I don't like captions, either.

>>66902703
i just had the mental image of anon coming home to kronii slobbering all over her new hung boyfriend "BigBen"

>>66903254
Subtleties of all types and casual femdom are really good for me, just little reminders of what she's doing on the side or how she regards (You)r performance in bed. I really enjoy scenes where it's just like, the cuck giving the girl a shoulder massage while she dolls herself up in slutty clothes for a date later that night, or him cooking dinner after she hasn't given him direct action in a week and he turns around to see her pantomiming a blowjob or comparing the size of two dicks. Lovey-dovey dialogue while she's being onesidedly selfish and unfair about their mutual pleasure is really hot - I tend to prefer that kind of thing to outright sex scenes between her and the bull even

>>66903111
As a medium captions are either a worse way to read and present prose if it's a longer story or effectively a 1 panel story or situation aiming for as much impact as possible with a little text and image editing.
Which basically means it's either something that would have been better as an independent story with the image included at the top/bottom for context or as unsubtle and in your face as the captions that get posted on Twitter.

with all the ntr talk here, i wonder what happened to ayame cuck. Did he ever got his fic?

Are there any examples of chuubas liking small dicks? Small penis encouragement can be just as good.

>>66906683
There was that time Ollie got shocked by the average penis size.

>>66906813
That just makes her all the more likely to become addicted to big cocks once she sees one

>>66907833
Not really, given that she has already experienced dildos. She's just not very spacious.

>>66907833
I think if she's that overwhelmed by average size it probably means that anything larger than that would start hurting her

>>66908962
>>66909168
I mean in fairness, she is a zombie.
Probably some soft guro fetish material there of literally fucking Ollie till she breaks.
Then having a fluffy ending of having to apologize and rebuild her.

>>66911177
>she spends an entire day teasing you and shaking her ass at you while not wearing any panties.
>you keep getting glimpses of her bluish grey pussy, the off color while somewhat disturbing was also tantalizing.
>you finally have anough and ram your totally average sized cock right into her.
>she lets out a shocked gasp to the sensation of being stretched out so thoroughly.
>"a-anon! what do you think you're doing! If you go so rough with something so big m-my stitches will go undone!"
>you ignore her and grab her by the airs and aggressively rail into her like a beast.
>she tries to get your attention but her words become less and less structured as the sensation of being fucked so hard is melting her already rotting mind.
>but like she warned, her body becomes more limp like you're ramming your meat into a bundle of noodles.
>before long her arm s both pop off and her torso falls shortly after, the impact of hitting the floor causes her head to pop off her shoulders, not that it stops her from moaning wildly while fucked within an inch of her undeath
>her legs pop off there after and you're left to aggressively fuck her dethatched hips like an onahole till you fill her to the rim with your potent cum. if she wasn't already dead there's no doubt she would have gotten pregnant

>after everything is done her detached head glares at you poutingly while you stitch her limbs back together.
>geez Im told you to calm down, now look at me...
>she sulks while her eyes swell in tears.
>before you put head back in place you gently nestle her in your arms like a teddy bear,
>her eyes widen while a purple hue consumes her undead face.
>"I-it's okay...m-maybe this kinda thing can be a little fun every once in a while" she mutters, attempting to pout in order to hide her smile.

>>66912394
KEK this was exactly what I had in mind for Ollie if she ever orgasms
Good one, anon

kind of surprising we don't have more fics with ollie, the detachment gimmick could lead to several scenarios.
like imagine being out in a restaurant with some of the other girls, and some point she slips her arm off and it crawls it's way up your leg and gives you a cheeky handjob from under the table, the entire time she's giving you a smug grin. Or anon removing her head to give her a face fucking of a life time

its nice we can leave the thread for an hour without worrying about it falling off a cliff

>>66915026
"Leave the thread?" Huh?

>>66915140
like, not worrying about bumping every 10-ish minutes

>>66913860
I love Ollie, I want more sweet, lewd, intimate stuff with her.

>>66913860
I need a fic based off these
https://files.catbox.moe/6numpa.jpeg
https://files.catbox.moe/ss7vbi.jpeg

>>66913860
i think the issue with ollie is how daunting the barrier for her gimmick is.
Zombies are fine and all until you have to start thinking if they rot, how they feel to the touch...does that actually feel good, etc etc

>>66917731
the rot can be explained away via undead magic, making it so that her body doesn't decompose, her grey skin is just a result of her not pumping blood anymore.

as for the temperature, I'm sure its no different than using a Luke warm onahole

>>66917845
you sound like the perfect person to write all these ollie fics then :)

>>66917731
I mean she is a 'soft' version of the zombie gimmick. She does have a pulse and she doesn't seem to rot.

>>66917957
I want to but im neck deep in a sequal to one fic and the pilot for a series i wanna write.

maybe when i get stumped i can make a quick zombie fic, and hopefully my perfectionist autism won't hold me back

>>66905214
When was Ayame cucking you discussed? I don't recall that

>>66896289
>>66890351
Take your time, this is a very slow thread as far as delivering on announcements goes. Following up on an announcement can take anywhere from minutes to months in a loose, hobbyist literary circle.
But it'd be good to try and overcome your shyness here, there's no good reason to be like that when you're Anonymous. Even a shitposter insulting you, trying to rile you up, is really just shouting into a dark room.

>>66919311
this was several months ago, I wanna say back in October an anon really wanted Ayame ntr, I tried to write it but I could never get the scenes to flow right since I'm not overly familiar with Ayame happy with the scenario i came up with and dropped it.

t. CC

>>66919677
Out of curiosity, and since you're dropping it anyway, what was the plot outline you came up with?

>>66860607
you as a feudal lord with Nerissa and Shiori as your personal bodyguardsand wives

>>66919959
Ayame cuck wanted it to be a traditional NTR so the idea i had was going to be something along the lines of:
>Ayame being Anon's childhood friend
>Anon watched her go from the meek clumsy girl to an idol
>one day after a concert Ayame and Anon hang out and get drunk
>Anon and Ayame confess their love for one another and give each other their virginity.
>following morning Ayame declares that she's Anon's "personal idol"
>Ayame is confronted by one of her fans with a picture of her with anon
>threatens to leak it online and force her to graduate if she doesn't do what he says
>Ayame enters a love hotel with the fan and she finds herself in a room full of her fans
>multiple scenarios where she's fucked by her fans and how guilty she feels about betraying anon but the more frequently she gets ganbanged the more she thinks she's starting to enjoy it
>she finally has the time in between the gangbangs to be with anon
>she insists they have sex and when they do she doesn't feel like anon can keep up with her sexually
>afterwards she exclusively sticks to sex with her fans becoming their personal slut
>Ayame then anon to the love hotel she regularly gets gangbanged
>Anon bears witness to Ayame bouncing on a mans cock while jerking off two other guys
>She apologizes to anon because she can't keep their relationship going anymore and can't be his personal idol anymore because she realized she belongs to her fans
>ends with anon leaving the hotel heart broken but spitefully hopes she enjoys being a cumdump for her fans.

>>66920713
Yeah I can see why you'd drop it. Unless you were having a lot of fun writing the sex scenes this feels like something so low hanging it's rotting on the vine... I think an outline like this would only work in like doujin or art form.

>>66920986
yeah, I thought so too. I did kinda feel bad though since Ayame cuck seemed so eager about it. but no use beating myself up over a project I wasn't 100% invested in

>>66902470
Honestly, I like blacked and bleached but not in the way that you can find it.
The contrast between black and white is very nice to look at, so seeing cute girls get some dark or white chocolate is always great. When you get these dumb edits where the girl's body is ruined by an obnoxious amount of tattoos or these messages like "NIGGERS GO HOME", my enjoyment is ruined.

I personally see other races as something 'exotic', if that makes sense. For example, the idea of the ID girls getting swept off their feet by a white tourist, or the JP girls trying stuff with a black guy on america is really hot to me. Nothing's hotter than fucking a girl you can barely understand.

But alas, all raceplay things are usually just that, pissing contests for self-degraduing cucks.

>>66921198
Doesnt seem like they're here anymore anyways.When's the sequel to the Chloe ntr coming out tho?

>>66920713
Would you be interested in writing Koyori ntr or would she be too hard to characterise for you?

>>66922569
NTA but Koyori NTR just makes me imagine Koyori sending you to find her new 'test subjects' and desperately asking people on the street to please have sex with my girlfriend/boss.

>>66922483
it's getting worked on, I hope to finish before February

>>66922569
I would be more than interested! I love koyori as well as the other girls from HoloX

>>66922443
Yeah thats usually my stance. I dont give a shit what im seeing or reading race wise but all raceplay makes my eyes roll so far my skull they de-spawn.
Its like those utter faggots that love nazi play... Wow so hot.. an empoverished german coal miner...

>>66922569
Hey, lay off. I want to read his own story!

>>66922966
I read a jp fic on pixiv about Koyori being gangbanged by a village and I kinda want this general's take on that.

Basically (you) and Koyori visit your childhood village where everything seems normal. Then at night, when you have already introduced your wife to your parents, they try to convince you to present Koyori to the village chief otherwise your family will be banished from the village. Not wanting to disappoint your parents and with Koyori's approval, you present her to them. That was the last time you saw your wife and you were promptly kicked out and return to the city without her. Of course, theres sex scenes about her taking cock and getting mindbroken. You can change up the prompt a bit or add your own take if you wanna take this one up

>>66920035
This, and it's not by your own choice, the two just fell in love with you and went "Yup, you're our property now." and ever since then you've had to carry these two girlfails wherever you go.

>>66924125
>present Koyori to the village chief otherwise your family will be banished from the village.
What fucking setting is this in? I assumed until this point it was like rural Japan but this makes me imagine this was in some fucking tribal coyote village.
Also ... I know this was probably a fic with a generic premise but it feels weird to have a Koyori sex fic without at least a passing reference to chemical/drug sex, that theme kind of feels central to her whole character.

>>66924677
The way I see it is that the village is just a sex cult and Anon doesn't want to disappoint his parents.

>>66924614
There will need to be a little more to how both femcels attach themselves to you. As a lord you can just say the word to have them removed, killed, or sold. But that would be up to the writer in how they want to weave that. It's a cute and interesting concept at least. You can also make it so they are failures in being women, but as bodyguards they are top notch. Nerissa's demonic songstress abilities can render any would be assassins immobile or simply mad, and Shiori can do magic book/brush stuff.

>>66924614
What position do they have to coerce a lord like that? Are you a mere count and they're the king's daughters or what

>>66925375
So he just brought his wife back to his home that he knows is a sex cult?

>>66924614
>Get ambushed by "The crow and The night"
>its a close battle, but you defeat them (you hit them with the side of the blade)
>as you sheathe your superior nipon katana, you notice they are looking at you with hearts in their eyes
>as in literal hearts. The one with the brush rushes and takes your hands
>"MILORD! WAS THAT THE THREEFOLD CENTERFOLD AQUAFOLD SUPER SLASH? THE ONE MASTERED ONLY BY THIRTY PEOPLE? HOW DOES IT WORK?! CAN I SEE IT?"
>geez
>The other takes your arm
>"MILORD! CAN I SUCK YOUR DICK?! YOU ARE SO STRONG!"
>geeeeeeeeez
>Adventures of Anon, as he travels the land for honor (and avoiding those two weirdos)

>>66924125
honestly like the other anon said, i feel like the basic premise would fit anyone. I'll more than likely run into the same problem as the ayame fic

but if i were to keep the old ancient village setting, I'd probably make Koyori the village doctor and perhaps while grinding herbs and mushrooms for medicine she accidently kicks up her concoction that acts as a powerful aphrodisiac or something like that

>>66925520
maybe you are the prince, and once you go to your father to complain, he looks over the window and goes
>Boy...i wish i had two big tiddy servants...all i had was old farts....so enjoy it my dear son

>>66925628
Yeah its fine to make your own twist on a Koyori ntr fic if you want. I'm just interested in seeing someone else's take on Koyori

>>66925816
Have you read some of the archived works that feature Koyori?

>>66925478
Anon is Shioru's childhood friend, in which she spent a great deal talking about books only she gave a fuck about with the only person that gave a fuck about her.
Nerissa brushed her hand with yours once (closest she's ever been to scoring) and since then you're the love of her life

>>66925816
>just interested in seeing someone else's take on Koyori
Now that's advanced cuckery!

>>66926091
This still wouldn't really work in a feudal type setting where you have any sort of power at all. The Shiori part is reasonable if you have an attachment and history with her, but with Nerissa you could just straight make her fuck off once she started stalking you. This setup would work better in a more modern setting within a school/workplace, and the two just orbit around you and you literally can't avoid them every day,

>>66925816
funny enough, before I released Shameful Desire I had the idea of making NTR scenarios for both Lui and Koyori as well, perhaps once im done with SD part 2 I'll revisit my old idea for her

>>66926254
Maybe you should make ntr scenarios for all of Holox. Imagine an ntr scenario of Laplus..

>>66926375
This, but she gets NTR'd instead, and she hates it.

>>66926375
well initially it was going to be all of holox but I couldn't come up with scenarios for la+ and I'd feel bad if I put Iroha through an ntr scenario.
though i suppose i can play off that and make a comedy fic where Iroha pretends to cheat on her boyfriend because he's into it.

>>66926230
it could work if they are nobles, like you, but from other lands.
Despite what popular media implies, it wasnt wise to just execute whoever you didnt like, and you HAD to keep alliances and such.
>The novellas and the Ravencroft send their daughters to your father's court to appease him. The great warlord falls in battle and your mother+his council keep ruling until you are of age
>grow up with them (femcel habits+not wanting to hurt them is what keeps you from indulging) as the respective factions prepare.
>Shiori and Nerissa are best friends and are more than willing to give you a small batallion of kids even if you were a farmer, but their families exert pressure
>In your coronation banquet, a dumb cousin or someone attempts to assasinate you. The girls easily deal with it
>In front of everyone, you are put on the spot.
>And so, nervous and cornered, you utter that you will marry both.
>After all, old warlords did! its your right to be as magnificent as they once were
>The girls are elated, the families are satisfied, the troops are rallied and in the middle of all of this, you wonder
>how the hell will you fix this mess you got yourself into

>>66926375
I feel like a Laplus NTR scenario kind of needs an original twist to it. Since the obvious scenario of , fat Oji-san rapes and mindbreaks your childhood best friend La+ is so low hanging I'm pretty sure it would feel trite even in art form.
The only thing I can think of right now is Laplus gets cucked out of her evil organization because all of her friends have been picked up the NTRmen from the other NTR fics and now none of them are returning her chuuni calls. Now she has to play something else.

>>66927174
Now that's the kind of context that makes it work.

>>66927263
What I'm thinking is that you're a subordinate in Laplus's organization but you're clearly her favourite. Eventually the two of you form a relationship but as she slowly follows through with her plan to take over the world, she gets defeated by the 'hero' and is taken as his trophy and gets turned into the hero's sex slave while you can do nothing but watch as you're just a weak subordinate.

>>66927263
>"hey what gives, why hadn't anyone come into the office!"
>"my husband wants me to go on a date with his muscular best friend..." lui gives a bashful smile
>"my boyfriend needs another sex education lesson with the help of my lab assistant" Koyori snickers lustfully
>"m-my boyfriend and I are going camping with his friend who he thinks I'll like" Iroha hides her blushing face
>"i need to shoot another porn so i can see my boyfriends face melt when he watches it~" Chloe breathes heavily with spirals in her eyes
>"HOW DID ALL OF YOU END UP WITH KEKS!?"

>>66927754
And little does Laplus know, they're all HER boyfriend

>>66927754
>This is absurd!
>How could all of you think a relationship like that works?!
>I'd never be a part of a cuckolding.
>Now if you don't mind Towa-sama called me, she wants me to go on another "adventure" with her boyfriend.

>>66928501
>Towa-sama called me, she wants me to go on another "adventure" with her boyfriend.
She's never escaping being labelled a cuck

How's that WIP coming along?

>>66928640
It's in progress (I'm still daydreaming the details)

>>66928617
>*RING RING*
>A-Ah, Lap-san, it's not a bad time, is it?
>Kanatan's on a maternity leave and my boyfriend needs his balls drained
>athat's disgusting-!
>I'll let you sniff my panties if you let him cum in you
>Laplus materializes outside Towa's door

>>66927323
the idea of Anon escalating his warfare operations and logistics to try and avoid the two of them, going something like "i will consumate our marriage when...huuuh...my enemies are dead! so our children can live in peace!" could be hilarious
or just cut that and have the dork threesome

>>66929015
What if you throw in an ol' timey fairy tale, like the two deciding who owns Anon's dick, so they resort to splitting it in half and Anon has to dissuade them.

Hey, what if Shiori and Nerissa cuck their boyfriends while HoloX become the consorts of a nobleman

>>66929076
>They cast a spell to divide you into two people so each can have their one
>Multiple anons pop up
gangbang ahoy!

>>66929211
Respectively this makes me think
>Shiori and Nerissa cuck their boyfriends
Shiori and Nerissa doing Yuri after like 30 chapters of buildup and lesbian romance.
>HoloX become the consorts of a nobleman
Some medieval knight going on an adventure against a vile group of villains terrorizing the countryside and through guile, wit, and skill with the sword has them all secure oaths to cease their villainy, while also gaining their hands in marriage... Also they all become christians afterwards because this is a medieval romance.

>>66928640
Kinda thinking about becoming Polka...

>"my boyfriend needs another sex education lesson with the help of my lab assistant" Koyori snickers lustfully
But if he joins in is it NTR? Or is he just really liking split roasting Koyori
Although is Wifeswap NTR Especially if it becomes a foursome?

>>66929812
anon in a desk taking notes while koyori shows anon how a man claims a woman

>>66927263
>>66927754
I really like the idea of Lapu being within earshot of so much of her colleagues' lewd adulterous escapade gossip despite not having a dominant bone in her body that she eventually develops a submissive cuckolding fetish herself and ends up lending HER boyfriend, who she'd tried to keep away from all this degeneracy until now, out to the four of them. Now they're each getting double duty humiliating their respective boyfriends and then their boss

>>66929987
... so he can go and drive crazy his one true love, reverse cucking koyori

>>66930097
But the other man is also anon. Koyori cloned her BF and keeps one in the lab. Is it NTR if it's yourself?

>>66928640
Almost 2k words into the most soul-crushingly sad story I've ever written.

>>66930050
>Lui and Koyori both suck on the sides of lapluss's boyfriend's shaft while Chloe and Iroha lick his balls
>all four of them staring at lapluss who was shyly torching herself to the lewd scene

Intellectual cuck and NTR discussion...

>>66930247
And Anon's Mistress is koyori's clone.
... damn, this is getting complicated

>>66930738
I'm losing track of what's happening

>>66930820
>lapluss walks opens the door to the lab to discover an anon and koyori clone orgy

>>66930247
>>66930738
The Koyori clone and Anon clone are effectively both bimbos with 'enlarged sexual characteristics and matching sexual appetite '

>>66930966
Well at least one of the Koyori isn't fucking so she takes that Koyori with her.

>>66930997
Then their clones realize the OG models are lacking and they fuck each, leaving Koyori and Anon by themselves.

All this ntr talk and we've never gotten the most obvious Mio NTR fic

>>66915719
First time gentle anal with Ollie

>>66931747
I'm sorry, but Mio is too sweet to NTR someone she loves.
Getting cuckquean'd however...

>>66932448
She's also too sweet to turn down her husband's cuckolding requests. Mio netorase is possible

Didn't know we had so many cucks in this thread

>>66929251
The council od the Anons band together to plot ways to avoid getting raped by the femcels...

>>66934785
Can you not just fight the femcels and protect yourself from being raped? It really does seem that shrimple.

>>66937202
what if they hold you at gunpoint?

>>66934211
They're usually pretty quiet, sitting in their corner and observing.

>>66928640
I was, in fact, not almost free of the coof.

>>66937403
Then I'll talk my way out of it. My superior wit will surely save me.

>>66934785
That's easy, just consent and they can't rape you anymore.

>>66937754
okay naruto

>>66937642
Kek

>>66937754
>>66938126
>Shiori and Nerisa have you bound by rope
>You know, one day, I was like you too...
>Nerissa sits on his face, countering his one technique.

>>66937696
Try megadosing on vitamin D, that’s what helped when I had the China flu.

>>66939594
You might call it Dmaxxing...okay, maybe not.

>>66907833
... not likely.
Big dicks hurt anon. Much like breasts, everyone goes "Bigger, bigger, bigger!" But in the end, average and medium are always the best.

>>66942669
Eh, big ol honkers aren’t going inside of anyone so there’s no real downside during sex, unlike a huge dong
The only potential problem is back pain for the owner, but that’s not really an equivalent comparison to dick size making sex painful instead of pleasurable

>>66943874
So there could be an NTR scenario where the gf fucks someone else because her boyfriend's dick isn't too small, but too big.

>>66944750
I've definitely seen a couple of images of "big dick humiliation", where the girl mocks the guy for how absurdly huge his dong is and how nobody would ever feel good being fucked by it.

>>66943874
NTA, but it does somewhat. Sometimes your partner gets scared and they chicken out of sex, and when you do get it on, you spend more time trying not to hurt them.

t. bisexual 8 incher.

>>66945965
Yeah, no, I was saying that the comparison between big dick = big tiddies is a little off, because bigger boobs don't cause a problem for your partner, while a bigger penis does.

Older cousin Botan babysitting for the night and getting handsy with me.

>>66889228
I received a response.

Weirdanonv2 is okay - he's not in a paid writing gig, google didn't destroy his account and he doesn't hold some indefatiguable grudge against /wg/. He's just burnt out by the constant toxicity of /vt/ as a whole, and also lost interest in writing smut.
As to why he deleted his fics, well, he says that was a mistake but fortunately the hard archive has them all.

It's nice to know that he wasn't killed off and his work deleted by some secret government agency.

I will miss his unique sense of humour and deadpan delivery.

>>66946618
>By the toxicity of /vt/ in general.
Poor bastard. I haven't interacted much with the board in ages, /wg/ is the last place I regularly come to.

>>66946687
Ditto, stopped browsing the catalogue a year and a half ago. It's all bait, and there's nothing of value to see. The rest of this board will actively destroy your interest in vtubers.

>>66946687
>>66946986
the only reason i visit 4chan nowadays is for this and /rrat/. The site went to utter shit a long time ago because /pol/ and console wars make any hobby you might have an interest on paint a target on your back.
And despite how terrible this board gets, it still beats jp and its pathetic japanese worship mixed with doxx and schizos

Personally, I always felt people take this board and this site too seriously. But no shame on anyone who decides to leave. Do what you gotta do for your own sake.

>>66946618
>He's just burnt out by the constant toxicity of /vt/ as a whole
Too bad that his artist autism manifested as directly contributing to it.

>>66947973
I was gonna say like having that opinion is odd considering how many yab based fanfics he churned out

>>66947676
It's not really about taking it too seriously, it's just dreadfully tiresome to constantly hear loops of the same bullshit, day in and day out, screeching over absolute trivialities. Even if you don't take it seriously, it's still a wave of neverending trite constantly flowing over you. It's particularly obvious how little any of the screaming matters as a Holostars fan.
It's just depressing that it seems like the number of people who want to be genuine and thoughtful about anything is dwindling.

>>66947676
Basically what that other anon said. Whether you take the board seriously or not, it's still tiring. You come here wanting to discuss how cute your oshi is, and the first post is some doxxfag. Worse, the rest of the faggots in the board never learned to not feed the trolls, and you have the same four fucking bait threads with Gura or Kiara or whoever hitting bump limit, kicking off good threads, putting them on life support.
But at the end of the day, it's the best there is on the current internet landscape, depressing as that is.

>>66948990
If you just flip through the catalog sure, but each individual chuuba or group general has tons of people who just want to talk about, celebrate, and kiss their oshis. You even have people who come into generals they wouldn't normally to offer their condolences if something bad happened, or congratulations if something cool happened. There's still good people out there, and we should all continue being good.

>>66949689
It's hard, but I'll try my damndest to keep being a good person.

>>66949863
The desire alone to be good does more than you think. I know it's hard and sometimes it's easier to just give up, but you can persevere and some seemingly minuscule thing you did will inspire someone else to do another small good thing, and then that small thing becomes another, and eventually becomes lots of good things. You get the point.

>>66946618
Can you tell him to repost the stuff the hard archive doesn't have like his contest fics.

>>66948990
>>66949663
See I think if you are feeling tired from the shitposting and letting it affect you then you are taking it seriously, even if it's just a tiny bit. Like I get it and I don't fault anyone for feeling that way and deciding it's enough. No one is immune to propaganda and all that. I won't debate about the quality of the site in recent years but this place has always been like this. 4chan by design is meant to have its content be disposable. Shitposting in the catalog does not mean anything, those people might as well not be real.

Remember: "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

But hey, lets not meta and doompost. How about those WIPs?

>>66952761
i took a break of my wip...to make another wip... and im preparing another exam....

I will say though, that second wip is based around Fauna transforming into Limebreaker's fauna sans the massive horsecock, and i was wondering what would be hotter: if she was a massive bimbo or if it was normal fauna with another body
Whatever the case, she's horny

>>66928640
Good. Unlike the past two mimi-stories, I have a very clear plan in mind for this next arc. It's going to be a Botan-Fubuki reconciliation episode and an explanation about why Fubuki is so weirdly hostile to her though I bet it might be obvious.

What I am struggling with is if I should have a segment with just Towa and Balsa. May be interesting but it feels weird to do that immediately after she joins the cast.

>>66953582
that image made my balls tingle.

>>66954692
Well i dont like the massive horse dong, that's for sure, so im taking the idea i actually like.
Altough i wouldnt mind if it was a more grounded kind of futa

Are there any small cock appreciation/reassurance fics?

>>66860779
Same

>>66955385
Not small cock but small word count. That one Ollie greentext where she stops you from deleting your WIP after Risu tells you your word count is too small.

>>66955859
Maybe I should request one then

>>66955859
did that get archived? i dont see it on the archive

>>66929015
>Anon is actually Oda Nobunaga
>he keeps picking fights with other warlords around him
>pretends to care about unifying Japan
>in reality he just wants to avoid having an awkward threesome with his childhood friends

>>66956189
>>62635916

>>66955434
Hell yeah brother.
>>66954615
Friendly warning, if something seems obvious to you the writer, really take a look at it through a fine lens and decide if it really is obvious to a reader. As for cast additions, why would it be weird to have a newer member interacting one and one with another?

>>66928279
Perfection.

>>66959216
The reason I say it's obvious is because it's a spoiler from book one. It was pretty graphic so if you read it I am sure you'd remember it. One of the most graphic scenes in the whole book. Either way though, that point will be revealed even if they forgot about it.

Same reason. In the first book she is mentioned as a pivotal character in not only in Botan's life, but Foob, Watame and Mio all. Since that's the case, I really need them to interact heavily with Balsa. Maybe it's just a weird tic I'm having, but it's weird to have the first "bonding moment" as it were be between her and Towa. I may be over thinking it.

>>66946618
What >>66948211 said honestly. Half of his fics lived off of yabs and rrats.

>>66948990
>>66949663
The moment you’re on the catalog just ctrl + F and type “writi” to immediately jump to the /wg/ thread. Don’t even read the surrounding threads before clicking here. That’s what I do, and it’s worked. Better yet, don’t even go to the catalog and just type 4chan.org/vt/writing and it’ll filter everything except for our thread.

>>66956090
Or write one! Because everyone can write when they put their mind to it, and has a story they would like to tell.

>>66961663
The problem is that some of my other generals start getting infected by some of the stupid seething bullshit
And also this board constantly breaks containment and spreads stupid bullshit elsewhere, too

>>66961663
Every damn time I need to reopen this tab I type 4chan.org/wg first

>>66963928
Why do you head to wallpapers / general before coming back here?

>>66964818
Because I forget the rest of /vt/ exists.

>>66966748
Whoever's fault that is deserved what happened to Nina

>>66966748
Mirrored Nina looks a bit uncanny. Maybe it's because I'm not used to it, but her face might be designed in a way that doesn't work well aesthetically when mirrored.

>>66927625
For some weird reason this just makes me imagine Iroha as the subordinate. I know you meant this as the subordinate being Anon but out of everyone in holoX (outside of Laplus) they have the most cuckquean energy.

>check in on Fumino Tamaki stream so I can get more of a grasp on her character
>latest stream is her eating mcdonalds and trying to speak and write in Russian

I don't know if I can even write a character as crazy as her. Her brain just defies understanding.

>>66968316
Just write her however you want. Nobody's reading the crap you make anyway.

>>66970992
>Azki forcing you erect by fingering your prostate while muttering "come on, one more~"

>>66973057
>AZKi hears through the grapevine that you're some hag conquering sex god
>Is extremely forward and blunt about what she wants
>Your reputation is news to you, but you sure aren't in a position to turn her down
>She will get what she came for, even if you don't live up to what AZKi's heard and she has to force you to keep going

>>66966748
VNAnon, I thought you were dead. How are you holding up?

>>66968316
Oh hey, I was listening to that VOD while at work.
>Her brain just defies understanding.
Have you seen the Noraneko rundown?

>>66974120
I'm starting to dream in positioning tags.
xalign yalign rotate linear xzoom jump call menu zoom
Making good progress on Nina and Millie scenes, think I'll finish them up by friday.
I'm trying to cram every scene into the game as fast as possible so I have plenty of time to finetune. I like having the time to replay the game a bajillion times for bugtesting and correcting animation and improving dialogue.
I'm doing fine. Working hard, and slowly pulling myself ahead of schedule with each passing day.

How are you doing, Pomu?

Seeing Pomu makes me feel sad.

>>66977700
I meant in terms of the whole Pomu graduation thing. I was worried you'd be too depressed to continue.

>>66978514
Pomu was always going to graduate at some point. She's too good for this world, after all. Can't stay around in it, lest it corrupt her.
I just hope other people won't forget about her in short order, as so often happens. She really is something special.

>>66930419

Laplus gets cucked out of power of her own organization & relationships by her boyfriend. More at 11. Well, at the very least she's gotten closer to HoloX & Towa, if not in the way she wanted.

Time to bake

>>66980681
Oh damn I didnt even notice

>>66980119
Does this imply Laplus' boyfriend used to be Towa's until she cucked her?

>>66980681
Here's the new bread! Archiver-flavored

>>66980746
>>66980746
>>66980746

>>66980813
Maybe. If you want, you could probably make it so it was actually Towa's boyfriend, who in turn is dating Laplus solely to make the cucking based subversion of her relations more impactful. Or it could be that it was Laplus's Boyfriend first, who in turn starting dating Towa & her friends of HoloX, and she's continuing to date him despite this due to her newly awakened kink & desire to stay close to those she loves, even as her relation with them has warped irrevocably.