/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66844651
You don't understand their "Game" that was made using packs from the Unity shop is way important

>>66844651
If (you) knew what was under the NDA it wouldn't be an NDA.

>>66844651
Sponsorship info may be one of those, or special projects being worked on months in advance.

>>66844651
They have to hide that I get to fuck all the talents at least once a year. For my next trick I will be flying to Japan to meet Gura, Shion, La+, Kobo, and Ayame for an orgy.

>>66844651
>NDA
It's not like some suspicious shit though. Do not real your identity, do not doxx other talents, etc. Things you are supposed not to do even without a formal contract.

>>66844651
Get a work first

>>66844916
this makes way too much sense, but I'll pretend i didn't see it, sorry, i just like to shitpost.

>>66844651
rushia got fired for leaking that her manager is a bitch so i assume mel got fired over small talk with her hair dresser or some shit

>>66844651
Rule: don't be stupid
>Lucia and Mel
They were very VERY stupid. This is not a joke.

Most NDAs are 'gotcha' traps.

Not to be confused with a Pekora stream.

>>66844651
to not disclose rape and dicksucking to outside of company walls

There is stuff like, how much does an advertiser pay or if an advertiser is planing a product launch

>>66844651
get a job nigger

>>66844651
Let's start with the fact that all the cartoon girls you mentioned must remain anonymous and any personal info leaked is a breach of NDA

Also cover corp is worth 100M $, any company worth that much will have a lot of sensitive information

>>66844651
Black company

>>66844651
>beloved hard-working idols
Lol
Lmao even

but it is, niji should've just terminated selen instead of whatever this nonsense they are doing now

>>66845161
I hope you get hemorrhoids that turn gangrenous, you shitposting faggot.

>>66844651
>have under NDA that's so important that it's worth terminating
The father of Gura child

>>66844823
Most games these days are horrible asset flips like vampire survivors or lethal company for example it's pathetic fuck gaming is dead.

I want to think it's something interesting and juicy that would fuck up their business if revealed like what if several of the gals are guys with voice good voice changers etc s

>>66846701
>The father of Gura child
Yeah, Yuzuru Hanyu

>>66845808
I'm pretty sure anon was asking for theoretical examples of "sensitive information" to better understand the situation. >>66844918 makes the most sense so far.
There's also the standard corporate autism according to which employees shouldn't even know how much their co-workers are making, but I don't know if they would fire her over something like that.

>>66848846
Something as simple as sending screenshots of your correspondence with your manager to your friend would constitute an example.

>>66848846
>employees shouldn't even know how much their co-workers are making
This would be unlikely due to the nature of their work no? Anyone can check something like Sora's supas, estimate how much of that she gets and then add an estimation of her salary based roughly on your own.

>>66844651
The identities of its talents.

>>66844651
I've thought this as well. The japanese mind can't comprehend looking the other way for trivial things to protect talented people in entertainment. If this were an American vtuber company Mel and Rushia would both still be there.

I wonder if they would shitcan Pekora over a minor infraction like this?

>>66844651
>under NDA
that's all you need to know.

Signed agreement is absolute.

>>66850115
Supers are only a part of the equation. Different contracts might have different cuts and so on

>>66844651
Hillary's emails

>>66850565
>Signed agreement is absolute
but why

Probably doxxing other members/managers. She sure as hell wasn't leaking source code.

>>66844651
Insider trading is a serious crime, all employees of a company have access to information that could fall into that. You can't just claim "oopsie doopsie" if someone goes and makes a ton of money off of the private shit you tell them. We obviously don't know if that happened or not, but leaking information is very serious because it could happen.

>>66850679
NTA but (You) need to be at least 18 to post.

>>66850679
because that's the whole principle of contracts.

>>66848846
I think we need to also sanity check too and use some common sense. If Mel told, I dunno, her mom about Fubuki's real identity, then I strongly doubt Cover would just summarily terminate her. Internally she'd get wrist slapped and that would be the end of it. You only fire people for offenses like that if you're actively looking to get rid of them, and Cover would especially tread lightly given how long Mel was with them.

The only other example we have is Rushia, who leaked internal Hololive stuff to a dramatuber, which is a pretty serious NDA breach.

So my guess is whatever the NDA breach was, it was pretty serious. I have seen an rrat in another place it could even be something really bad like insider trading, but of course there's no evidence for that.

I think if Mel chooses to remain silent about it on her personal social media accounts, it will speak volumes about who was in the wrong.

>>66844916
>girls faces leaked all over the internet
>this is ok
>oh no one of them mentioned there's going to be a collab with someone that hasn't been totally confirmed by management yet
>this is not ok

>>66850510
>Rushia
Do you mean the whore that leaked a lot of things to drama youtubers, had private calls with people that donated the most on her channel without authorization, shitted on her former colleagues, broke NDA in almost every way possible and was whoring herself for a male vtuber that didn't like her? Thank God this is not a American company then.

And for Mel we don't even know if it was a minor infraction, I doubt that they would terminate someone for a minor infraction, she was collabing a lot with people outside of Cover, I bet she broke NDA like Rushia and told many things in her homocollabs.

>>66850679
Because if not, you'd enter an bass ackwards world for retards where no one is accountable to their employee or their employer. You fucking goose.

>>66850989
>you fucking goose
NTA, but I'm stealing that.

I see the NDAtards are out in full force thinking that an NDA means jack shit in Japan.

>>66850881
That is exactly what most people here don't seem to understand, if was just something light they would not terminate.

If it was really insider trading she dig herself into it.

>>66850942
there is no minor or major violation of contract, just violation.

Cover can't pick & choose when to enforce their contracts because they would instantly lose in court if they tried to enforce the same clause on someone else.

>>66850906
cover's legal is a joke, unless it involves the talent discussing the janitors name. then the full might of the jannies clamps down on them

>>66844651
they don't want you to know there is a portal in cover HQ to the 2d world

I think it's fairly obvious, from everyones reaction (compare to Rushia's termination), that Mel carelessly talked about confidential company plans to people in rival companies, and that the termination was a necessity to satisfy shareholders.

>>66851170
They would lose in court anyway. In order to win in court and employer has to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the employee's action has made the company lose face or significant monetary damage.

companies almost never sue employees or ex employees because the burden of the above is massive.

>>66851315
Also necessary because that would just be the good and conscionable thing to do regardless.

>>66844651
Contract, management, and business related information are likely the big 3 that are confidential information that can be grounds for termination. Hololive is a business and information that can hurt revenue will get you fired at most companies even when it seem trivial. Outside of rrats no one has a clue why they fired Mel but it does show that management is ruthless when it comes to enforcing the NDA.

>>66851315
>I think it's fairly obvious, from everyones reaction (compare to Rushia's termination), that everyone here is a corpo dick sucker making up non sense about a situation they'll never comprehend.

>your company tells you not to do something
>they go so far as to make you sign a binding legal document about it
>still blab anyway
It amazes me that these girls have a literal money tree and the easiest job in the world and they somehow still blow it.

>>66851411
You just pot kettle blacked anon

>>66850906
Send those messages to Cover itself
This aint covers customer support site
>Unless you bought "The Most Influential" meme

>>66851450
Get a job, sign an NDA, openly break it, and get back to me.

>>66844651
The universe including vtubers is a simulation

>>66851170
They aren't robots, they can choose when to enforce an NDA. Telling your parents how much money you make is a violation of NDA, but no sane business is going to sue over it.

>>66851544
Get a job in Japan and try to get fired and sued, and get back to me.

>>66851450
Seethe.

>>66851580
>Telling your parents how much money you make is a violation of NDA
oh shit he's retarded

Are there really people out there who think an employee can do whatever they want and their employer should just have to suck it up and get over it?

>>66851658
How much you pay staff is absolutely a trade secret.

>>66851667
I hope your oshi graduate next

>>66851667
Yes, the mentally retarded.

>>66851667
In Japan, yes pretty much to be honest. The courts here are extremely pro employee to the point where companies make up positions like sit in the corner all day just to avoid it.

>>66851697
It absolutely is not.

>>66851667
They aren't even employees, I imagine this is part of the reason why. It's easier to terminate them.

>>66851709
I hope she's not as retarded as to do something that she knows she shouldn't.

>>66851592
It's pretty obvious that they agreed to her termination rather than pursuing legal action.

>>66851809
If you knew about how much money everyone at a business made, you could pretty much calculate they budget and extrapolate future plans. Try leaking a company's payroll and see if they won't sue you.

>>66851855
Because agreeing to termination allows you to collect your mandatory severance. Not agreeing leads to a lengthy court case where you have to wait.

>>66851893
My dude, you're the dumbest person in this thread, and that's saying a lot

>>66850679
because its not just the le company's... le secrets,
any other company would NEVER want to touch them for being the equivalent of an untrustworthy black company for us.

>>66851738
That seems brutal in another way. I imagine the rest of the office would shit talk you non stop. Especially in Japan.

>>66851893
This. I've seen people get fired for talking about their pay. Companies take it seriously.

>>66848846
Does it matter what info it is? It could be something like Yagoo is wearing a wig but if it's under NDA, you don't go telling other people and expect not to get fired

>>66852023
Yes, when you get a reduced work load it's usually considered shameful that's why most of the employees take the hint and find another job, because they'd rather leave then have that label on them. But that's not always the case. The company also can't publicly shame them in an obvious way because that opens them up to defamation lawsuits and power hara lawsuits.

>>66852028
Well it's one thing to discuss it with another employee. It's another to discuss it with a third party of non consequence or someone who will obviously be privy to it. ie. a spouse or family

>>66850565
in a normal country with a working legal system I would laugh at you and call you retarded, but the Japanese legal system is a joke.

>>66852028
Yeah and they have a right to sue. Both in Japan and US you are allowed to discuss your pay with people without repercussions. If you know someone that was fired for it, it was a lawful termination, I'd highly recommend they go speak to a lawyer.

Also, why am I bothering, half of you live in the basement and never held a job in your life, so you have no clue what you're talking about.

>>66850881
You are trying to apply western logic to a japanese society. They will not overlook rule-breaking.

>>66852187
unlawful termination*

>>66852187
>half of you live in the basement and never held a job in your life, so you have no clue what you're talking about.
Hopefully higher than half. We don't want the site to have the well poisoned any more than it already is with normalfags and other cancer.

>>66851893
WARNING:
THIS USER IS A PINKERTON JEW
HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO UNIONIZE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS AS A WORKER
IT IS NOT A FIREABLE OFFENSE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR WAGES. COMPANIES WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK THAT SO THAT THEY CAN ABUSE WORKERS BY OBSCURING HOW MUCH EACH WORKER IN A DEPARTMENT MAKES
KILL ALL PINKERTONS ON SIGHT

>>66852294
You are trying to apply your skewed view of Japanese society to the situation. They will mostly overlook rule breaking because the burden of dealing with it is too much for 99% of companies, including large corpos.. It's the people themselves that try to avoid rule breaking.

>>66850808
I think this is the most plausible explanation, Japs are extremely autistic about insider trading

>>66850808
No way it's insider trading. Mel is way too dumb for that.

>>66852494
>Japs are extremely autistic about insider trading

>0 sources found

>>66852187
They aren't even employees, employment law isn't applicable here.

>>66852348
>unions
Why yes I would want 5% of my wages going to some corrupt fat cat union boss who does nothing for me and lets his friends slack off on the job, thank you based commie for opening my eyes

>>66852555
Anon you're underestimating her, do not be fooled

>>66852631
>They aren't even employees, employment law isn't applicable here.

LUL

>>66852294
jap society overlooks rule breaking all the time as long as there's seniority and it can be dealt with in private
the fact that this wasn't means it's kind of a big deal

>>66852639
You don't pay union fees in Japan, you're put in one automatically.

>>66851842
>tell your friend how much you earn on discord
>gets terminated

>>66851450
Underage b&

>Interviews with Japanese company
>Asks about compensation
>CTO pulls up a spreadsheet showing each level of the company, salary expectations for each level, and how to increase it, and how to get up to the next level.

Oh no anon, better fire the CTO, sharing salary information is super illegal!

>>66852936
You aren't a third party in an interview. And besides, he's management, he can do whatever he wants.

>>66852555
You can do insider trading by mistake anon. It's easier to do when you're retarded as well.

>>66853092
>You aren't a third party in an interview
You literally by definition a third party during the interview process

>And besides, he's management, he can do whatever he wants

Wrong

>>66853148
Do you really see Mel buying and selling stocks?

>>66853245
The business is trying to enter a transaction with you in an interview. You are not a third party.

>>66853148
Yep. Lots of corporations they have a training module on insider trading where they go over a bunch of things you wouldn't even think of.
If what you share can have an impact on the stock price, and you share it with someone who acts on it, it is insider trading and intent doesn't matter.

>>66852936
Well, was that in the CTO's NDA?

>>66853324
You are literally a third party my dude, you have no contractual obligation to keep secrets for the sake of that company and you can do what you want with that information.

>>66853261
No, but being tricked into releasing info by a more intelligent friend definitely

Most likely:
>Telling Kotoka when the next planned JP auditions start, offering to shoe her in if she graduates
This is the most likely since Kotoka was originally supposed to be NijiJP, but would have had to go through Nijis failed VTA to get there. NijiEN was faster.
>Talking to kson about a recent change in hololive policy
>Talking to mikeneko about a recent change in hololive policy
Less likely:
>Any of these 3 people leaking info to a drama mill under her name
>insider trading
Least likely:
>everything else

>>66853382
1. NDA's don't matter in Japan
2. NDA's in Japanese contracts are worded in a way that never specifies what you can and can't share. It just says don't damage the company.

>>66852936
>salary possibly being under NDA means every NDA has salary in it
>every company even having an NDA
retard

>>66853419
>Talking to kson about a recent change in hololive policy
>Talking to mikeneko about a recent change in hololive policy

Neither of these are likely. It would require kson or mike to report it back to holo which they would never do.

>>66853390
Then who's the first and second party?

>>66853459
Do you really just throw the word NDA around not understanding what an NDA is? An NDA isn't an itemized list of what you can and can't share. It's like a 2-3 sentence document that summarizes to "I won't share company secrets outside of the company". What courts decided this means is sharing actual documents or contents of said documents. But none of that even matters because in Japan NDA's aren't really enforced.

>>66844651
we don't know, thats the point of NDA retard

>>66853498
>First party from CTO perspective: himself
>Second party from CTO perspective: the company
>Third party from CTO perspective: prospective employer

Like, nigga go back to an English class. This is basic shit.

Wasn't Mel sexually harassed by her manager? She probably spilled the beans and Cover went to fill those tunnels with concrete immediately before the story leaks.
Typical black company pretending to be cool and friendly until you try to fight for your rights.

>>66853653
The CTO IS the company in the interview.

>>66853447
You are a non-Japanese man posting in a thread about a Japanese girl who was outright stated to have broken NDA that has references to another Japanese girl who was outright stated to have broken NDA, who both worked for a Japanese company.
>>66853497
Kanata could have reported it, since they're still friends. VshojoJP (or EN) staff could have reported it. Any of mikeneko's friends could have reported it.
>>66853676
That was years ago, and the story was already out there.

>>66853696
No they are not they are a second party of the company. The "company" is the collective of share holders.

>>66844651
The identities of the other girls

The identities of management or other employees

The structure and nature of management

The suppliers of merchandise

Certain details for the legal teams

>>66853733
When I buy a product from a company, the transaction is between me and the company, not me, the company, and it's shareholders.

>>66853721
>You are a non-Japanese man that works in Japan and has seen several Japanese NDA's commenting on NDA's.

Here, let me help you. This is the NDA portion of one of the contracts I received in Japan translated to English.

After employment

>An Employee shall not, after his/her employment is terminated voluntarily or involuntarily,
divulge, or make unauthorized use of, any business secret that he/she has or may have obtained
in the course of employment.

>During or after employment, not to divulge, or make unauthorized use of, any confidential
information of the Company or its business partners that he/she has or may have obtained
in the course of employment;

>>66853870
You're comparing apples and oranges anon

>>66844651
shit like how much exactly sponsors pay

>>66853943
No it's not, an interview is just another business transaction.

>>66854001
It is not and I pray you never own a company for your own sake if you actually believe this. Because you gonna get fucked.

>>66853881
Has better classification and access control. Now that it happens twice it's totally Cover's outdated confidentiality policies fault,

>>66854057
An interview is just a negotiation between vendor, i.e. the business, and the supplier, i.e. the labor.

>>66854125
I have seen some shit in contracts here that say something along the lines of "you can get in trouble if you obtain secret information you're not supposed to have". but i have no clue how that's possible, enforceable, or provable.

>>66854177
>opensalary.jp

oh no anon, better call the police

>>66851544
>openly
So where's all that info in the open then?

>>66854286
It was open enough that her employer found out and took action against her.

>>66853261
Insider trading can also mean telling your friend about projects you're working on in the company when you shouldn't

>>66854378
Jesus christ you're retarded. Just stop.

>>66845333
>I've never actually seen/signed an NDA

Have you guys considered that the NDA break is a lie and just a coverup for something worse and they did this to preserve her and their dignity?

>>66854378
I doubt they would terminate her for that, at least not without a warning first.

>>66854522
no, because then her roommate would be suing for slander

>>66854459
I keep forgetting half this board is SEAniggers with no jobs who have never lived in a working capitalistic society before. Of course you idiots don't understand how it works.

>>66853419
Even if all that were true, how is it more damaging than firing a member for cover? I don't get it man.

>>66854349
And how the fuck would an anon know that? Half the board is screeching about 2view snakes and grifters.

>>66854574
It could be in agreement with her to not publicize whatever else that would have been worse.

>>66854626
no one knows, just a bunch of no lifers spamming the word NDA and sucking yagoo cock.

>>66854522
No, because the talent already apologized publicly. While we wish it didn't have to be this way, it is what it is.

>>66854657
it doesn't matter if it's worse any kind of slander whether it's true or not is still slander here. I've seen dudes get sued for google reviewing doctors here after a misdiagnosis of basic skin conditions.

>>66854657
then you double sue because japan slander doesnt care if its real

>>66854710
public apologies are frequently part of agreements in this type of situation in japan. you pretty much aplogize just for existing everyday at a company here.

>66854495
Here's part of the definition of confidential information from Cornell law, this is shit is extremely broad on purpose:
information which concerns or relates to the trade secrets, processes, operations, style of works, or apparatus, or to the production, sales, shipments, purchases, transfers, identification of customers, inventories, or amount or source of any income, profits, losses, or expenditures of any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or other organization, or other information of commercial value

>>66854495
Here's part of the definition of confidential information from Cornell law, this is shit is extremely broad on purpose:
information which concerns or relates to the trade secrets, processes, operations, style of works, or apparatus, or to the production, sales, shipments, purchases, transfers, identification of customers, inventories, or amount or source of any income, profits, losses, or expenditures of any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or other organization, or other information of commercial value

>>66854877
I mean yes NDA's are always vague. But the Cornell law definition is a summarisation. You really need to look at case law and see what has held and hasn't held to determine where you're at. But none of this even matters because Japan isn't US.

>>66844651
You know this whole thing has really exposed how many people don't have jobs on here.

>>66855052
It's a bunch of NEETs claiming others are unemployed.

>>66855052
Yeah the tl;dr of this whole thread can be pretty much

>She violated the NDA
>Argues
>Yeah but you don't know if it's written in the NDA

It's not that hard to just google NDA template and see that nothing is written in the NDA. It basically just says "don't share information we don't want you to share" and there is not comprehensive list.

>>66851321
>employee's action has made the company lose face
pretty sure Idol company talent moonlighting as Jerk-off-instructor is sufficient, yes?

>>66855052
Nigger there are barely jobs with an NDA on this planet. Most ones are burger flipper+ tier. Do you think NDA's are for hiding the fact Susan from HR farts' smell like cabbage?

>>66855172
It's really funny with the post above you . They make is so obvious they have never had a job above flipping burgers that's it's sad.

>>66855052
Most people don't have jobs that require NDAs. Though seing people around discussing contract law and international law is like seeing monkeys attempting to explain the voynich manuscript.

>>66855316
Every job I've had has made me sign an NDA. Just about any white collar job will make you do it.

>Mel receives hush money to make up for being raped
>can't stand it anymore, speaks out
>loses her job and is defamed and slandered as a result
Great company culture you got there bootlickers

nigger what country do you live in? You ever worked for an international corporation before?

>>66855316
>Most people don't have jobs that require NDAs.
>Nigger there are barely jobs with an NDA on this planet.
This how I know you have no job. Like every fucking small shitty job makes you sign one. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>66855315
No. Again, they have to prove that it severely impacted the finances of the company. Which when you can just be randomly losing money, is not an easy thing to prove.

>>66855431
I think it's the people not from Europe or America that are confused by this. Every white collar job I ever worked for required signing an NDA. it's very common

>>66844651
>>66844916
I don't get how you can "break an NDA", yet no one knows what is leaked. If someone else knew the information, the NDA would be broken, but no one knows it, therefore it wasn't broken. It's that simple.

>>66844651
HAHAHAHA HOLOSHIT IS A BLACK COMPANY

>>66855420
This is sadly also a real possibility here.

>>66855431
Not everyone lives in burgeristan where they believe everyone is a commie spy.

>Did you know NDA's aren't real at jobs
Holy fuck is really is just a thread full of the SEA or the jobless.

>>66855487
Man I've signed NDAs even for working at an oil change shop and a gas station.

>>66855431
What dystopic shithole are you even from where you have to keep quiet about your lousy job.

>>66855529
> Not everyone works in a country where industry secrets are valuable
ogey

>>66855529
Bro In Leafland we sign NDAS's for everything

>>66855316
Most jobs that have a yearly salary will have some kind of NDAs. Only those entry level $/hour jobs don't.

>>66855529
In France I have sign one for working in a fucking small store even bro.

>>66855651
Canacuck land is just burgerland with more chinks, don't delude yourself.

>>66855691
You might want to double check the rules of employment. Even McDonald's manual has NDA stuff in it.

>>66855569
your boss doesnt want to know but NDA's arent real
i already traded 458 tradesecrets

>>66855651
Leafland is just Burgistans retarded half-brother, it hardly qualifies as a different example

>>66855457
look here discord drone, if you knew even 10% of what these girls do on their past time you'd be fucking surprised how much leeway Cover gives them.
But in exchange they must keep Cover corps name clean.

Mel failed.

>>66855487
I mean then you have posts like >>66855501 that make me wonder if their underage. Like going "How do we know the NDSA is broken unless they tell us what the secret was?". Fucking retard tier here.

>>66855754
>>66855569
To be fair, the thinking in this thread is that Japan is somehow the western world. And it's not. And NDA's are rarely if ever actually enforced here, because they are extremely difficult to enforce and prove it impacted the company. Also Japan is a non confrontation country. So a lawsuit or anything like this is just so unlikely to happen.

>>66855838
ogey rrat

>>66855501
>yet no one knows what is leaked
The person (people?) she leaked it to knows, dumbass. And unless they are stupid enough to blabber to the rest of the world (and eat up a fat lawsuit in the process) anyone not directly involved won't ever know what it was.

>>66855951
So then how did cover find out?

>Mel says she did it and left very professional considering what happened
>NDA aren't real
>How dare them do this to a person who did nothing
You know it's nice Mel was very mature about the whole thing honestly and they let her get in that final stream and tweet.

>>66855951
>And unless they are stupid enough to blabber to the rest of the world
Oh like Cover??? How tf does Cover know when only that other party knows according to you? So that third party that Mel trusted to give that suppposed secret info to, gave that info back to Cover to have her fired?? That makes no sense

>>66855951
>and eat up a fat lawsuit in the process
You can't be sued for publicizing information you found out as a third party. Otherwise there would be no freedom of press sir anon.

>>66855882
It's a even bigger deal in Jap land then burgerland. I still remember Balan wonderland dude getting nuke off the planet.

>>66856003
Forgotten messages, possibly sent using company accounts, emails, phones or pcs.

>>66856059
Exactly this.

>>66856010
You have to sign an agreement to leave a company in Japan. If you don't sign this agreement you can't receive severance. So they can write "Mel believes that chocolate monkeys run around on the sun and control the porn industry" and she'd still have to sign it and agree to it to get her money.

>>66856078
>It's a even bigger deal in Jap land then burgerland

Spoiler: this anon is very wrong.

>>66856138
>>66856059
These posters are underage, please tell me they are and working adults.

>>66856138 (me)
Is also >>66853881

Excuse me for actually working here, and having seen this shit a million times in person.

May I ask what your source is?

>>66856209
Spoiler: this anon is anon is a child or SEA that has no idea what the fuck they're talking about it. It's treated so fucking serious over there anon that I have no idea what the fuck are trying to argue here.

>>66856308
Wrong

>>66856070
>You can't be sued for publicizing information you found out as a third party.
Depends what kind of info it is. You can't just publish any info you get and hide behind freedom of press to justify it.

>>66856383
>You can't just publish any info you get and hide behind freedom of press to justify it.
Related to public and private entities, you absolutely can. Only exception is when you get into DoD and CIA shit.

>>66846335
But if they terminated Selen they wouldn't have been able to bully her into an an hero attempt

>>66856304
NTA, but is it really that hard to believe? Any JET teacher would probably get one of these.

>>66856059
By leaking it through an account Cover has access to, you absolute imbecile. Mel isn't and has never been the sharpest knife in the shed.

>>66844651
he doesn't know about the
WATSONS DEAD PARENTS SUPERCHATS, AME GURA DISCORD SEX IS REAL, MONTHS LONG MEDICINE ABSTINENCE WATSON NARRATIVE, THE GIGGUK PHONECALL, GAWR GURA BRUTALISM DRAWINGS, CANCELLATION OF HOLOEN GEN 2, NOEL BREAST REDUCTION CONTROVERSY, ARTIA’S REVENGE, HACHAMA POISONING INCIDENT, AO CHAN IS A BLACK MAN NARRATIVE, NINOMAE INA ACKNOWLEDGES NIGGERMAN, DISSAPREANCE OF HIMEMORI LUNA, KIARA SEX STREAM, RETURN OF HITOMI CHRIS, GEN 4 EUPHORIA PLAYTHROUGH STREAM, GAWR GURA MINECRAFT SUICIDE INCIDENT, YAGOO LEAKS, ASACOCO WAS REAL NARRATIVE, LOST CHESS STREAM, HIMEMORI LUNA CHATURBATE SCANDAL, USADA PEKORA RECOGNISES PALESTINE, ROBOCOS RAPE LIVESTREAMED, ARTIA REPLACES, GEN 5 OFFLINE MEETING

>>66856451
The NDA's aren't enforced because the burden of proof on the employer is extremely high and the wording in NDA's is extremely vague. Also, again non-confrontational society. So they'd rather politely ask for an apology or casually mention what the employee is doing is somehow improper before taking any action ever. If you took this to court, you'd have to show that the information leaked qualifies under the NDA, which again due to vague wording is already hard enough, and that it impacted the company.

Hey Mel tell us what some companies Cover plans to collab with, we definitely wont buy stocks and manipulate the market hehe ;)
Dont worry we would never rat you out and get you terminated or anything

>>66856443
You can't if it interferes with business and it isn't of public interest.
Meaning if you undercover some illegal shit, you can, if one the other hand you just publish all of a company's current ongoing behind closed doors but nonetheless legal business negotiations, you're just getting sued.

>>66856669
>Source not found

>>66856669
A person that is a third party to a company has 0 responsibility to that company.

>>66856504
Why am I an imbecile for assuming that Mel would absolutely know this after 5 years on the job and never doing this before?

>>66856847
He's just coping, don't worry about it.

>>66844651
>Sign NDA
>Accidentically break NDA
>Company HAS to fire you, even if the company thinks it's just a stupid mistake as well

>>66856769
If they take action to get an employee to reveal the info, then they are liable. Otherwise companies would just spy on each other all the time.

>>66856905
Literally not how that works

>pretending to give a shit about the homo cocksleeve

>>66856905
The company isn't required to do anything. Why would a business willingly bind themselves to something like that?

>>66856918
I never said they took action. The argument is whether or not the sharing of leaked information publicly is legal or not. And the answer is it is 100% totally legal. Corporate espionage is a whole different thing dipshit.

>Otherwise companies would just spy on each other all the time.

They literally do anyway. It's just whether or not they get caught.

>>66853676
Bitch, not only that was 4 years ago, but Mel brought them to court because Cover wouldn't cover (heh) her relocation expenses and won and Cover was forced to make a public statement apologizing for their handling of the situation.

>>66856905
Why would you ever trust someone breaking NDA with anything ever again

>>66856847
You mean like Rushia? Fuck off.
If she didn't do it on purpose then it was pretty obviously a severe lapse in judgement.

>>66857061
It wasn't a argument against your post, the thread is so long that I just wanted to add that note as an addendum because there's some really stupid takes in this thread.

>>66844651
>never worked a day in his life

>>66857112
>not understanding that it's up to an individual to disclose whether or not they broke an NDA to other corporations.

>>66856905
Do you think the government comes down on a company for not firing an employee because of their internal agreements? If it really was so stupid and unimportant cover should not fire her. This is just japanese bureaucracy that can never show an iota of goodwill

>>66857407
>This is just japanese bureaucracy that can never show an iota of goodwill

Speaking from experience? Otherwise, just stop talking.

lets blame the narrow eyed jew (chinese)

>>66857144
Damn anon you seem really angry from others stating questions

>>66844651
>Why does a company need NDAs?

>>66857452
I needed this after arguing with total idiots this whole thread

>>66850942
Good old baseless rrats. 2 years later still no one can't tell me what she leaked and about what she "shitted on her former colleagues" that i can't trace back to a baseless schizopost here from someone that doesn't even speak japanese.
Btw, the "private calls" thing that is something you're making up from the "private short video messages" rrat was also debunked over 1.5 years ago.
Keep sucking yagoo's cock

>>66855501
>I do not know, therefore no one must know

>>66857582
Maybe if you read the posts answering your question you'd know instead of only wanting to listen to what you want to believe

>>66856510
>GAWR GURA MINECRAFT SUICIDE INCIDENT
whoa i need the juicy details on this

>>66857582
I mean I agree that Cover was 100% in the wrong with the Rushia situation. However, Rushia/Mike/Nazuna is a total fucking spaz and it was probably going to happen eventually even if Cover didn't provoke it.

And to answer your question about what she leaked, it was openly admitting she was Rushia on a secondary account in a very public forum.

>>66857627
No, no one literally knows. Do you know? Does anyone on this board know? Does anyone on futaba know? Dumbass, information on the internet spreads quicker than wildfire, it would instantly be known here if that information was public, but it isn't

>>66844651
the security of other talents? that would make sense. but since nobody knows it's cruel to speculate; it could be pretty bad or a nothingburger.

>>66855860
Think about things in more detail, how would Cover even know then if it wasn't public? There's no way Mel used her official account for sharing that information

>>66857870
rrats will call you a moron

chads nod in agreement.

>>66857790
Or it's just that the people who knew just didn't spread it further because they didn't want a corpo suing their ass to oblivion with the famous japanese defamation law.

>>66857870
>There's no way Mel used her official account for sharing that information

>>66857582
>dramatuber publishes all his receipts with Rushia immediately after termination to cover his own ass
>Mikeneko releases an statement 5 months later in which she openly admits to sharing conversations with her manager to the dramatuber
>"No one can tell me what she leaked"

>>66857959
defamation has a maximum penalty of like 3000 usd. no one cares.

>>66858063
still absolutely cover's fault for the way they handled the mafumafu situation

>>66858063

>>66857870
>There's no way Mel used her official account for sharing that information
Bro...

>>66858081
You're forgetting having to pay a lawyer in a lengthy legal battle and up to 3 years in prison.

>>66858254
>You're forgetting having to pay a lawyer in a lengthy legal battle
no
>up to 3 years in prison
also no, it's civil dispute not a legal dispute.

>>66857870
>There's no way Mel used her official account for sharing that information
Mel is one step away from being mentally retarded anon

>>66857959
Stupid, Japan has free press laws, a company like Cover can't just go against people revealing stuff about their company that weren't under NDA. Not even Toyota could do that, but people on here are seriously overestimating how big and influential Cover is.

>>66844651
because 1 of them is a real anime girl, and they don't want you to find out who

>>66858329
so are you, so you expect us to give you the benefit of the doubt?

>>66858375
No, they can still sue here. Just the penalty is like super minimal. It's laughable that people bring up "defamation" lawsuits regarding to Japan. The payout on those things is so minimal. It's largely just a saving face thing.

>>66844651
The name, faces and addresses of the girls that (You) would stalk and rape if you had the chance.

>>66844651
>"Hey guys, why don't they share the information that got a girl fired because she leaked it? Shouldn't it be made public?"

Schrodinger's leak
Something that was leaked but at the same time wasn't leaked

>>66844651
>What confidential info would a 100m company have?
I don't know anon several huge events, games, gens, sponsorships, new developments, personal info, internal structure, wages etc?

>>66858533
You mean sort of like how the person who allegedly leaked information was stalked and raped and the company tried to brush it under the rug.

>>66855501
It can be as simple as CCing a wrong person in an email and that person being nonmalicious and bringing it up to Mel and her manager.
Then on inspection it turns out Mel has messed up several emails over a considerable period of time and those times the wrong receiver(s) never reported it.
No one can prove the leaks affected anything tangibly but it was still a non trivial breach of trust.
The training they mention could be as simple as teaching the talents how To, CC and BCC work and remind them to double check who the
recepients are.

An NDA leak doesn't always mean it goes to a Korekore who blabs about it for clout and drama.

>>66850679
you must be over 18 to use this website

>>66858633
>wages
not confidential in japan

>>66858537
Funny that you twist it like this, when the leak isn't really much of a leak now is it? Even if it wasn't made public, we should see the repercussions of that SOMEWHERE, right? Like a competitor using that information in some form.

>>66851321
No they don't. For civil cases it's enough to prove it's more likely than not. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is for criminal cases.

>>66857562
I interpreted "Mousey" as Disney and it was even funnier.

>>66858669
what incident was this

Black company

>>66858824
not as black as your dad tho

>>66858790
No it's like that in civil cases here.

Would you like to try again?

>>66855052
I am convinced that most of this board is underaged

>>66852639
But enough about my boss...

>>66858546
Leaked to one person that's gonna keep quiet is still leaked.

>>66852294
They will absolutely not terminate someone over minor rule-breaking and discipline them internally if necessary. Mel was a very early Holomem and had significant prestige. This isn't Nijisanji where they fire and publicly harass talents if the manager decides she doesn't like a talent's haircut

>>66858725
>and that person being nonmalicious and bringing it up to Mel and her manager
And apparently extraordinarily retarded on top. There's no way they wouldn't know Mel is under an NDA and why would they not just send an email back to Mel to ask about it?

>>66858914
This is law 101. You can win a criminal case and still lose a civil case. It's what happened with OJ Simpson.

>>66859161
>This isn't Nijisanji where they fire and publicly harass talents if the manager decides she doesn't like a talent's haircut
yeah, instead its a company that raped their employee and terminated her later. lmao

>>66858934
It's not that they are underage but rather they got the mentality of an underage.

>>66844651
Access to the tool she uses to display her L2D and the models of collab partners

>>66858768
Now that is what I call a big assumption. She probably leaked the whole thing accidentally, and to one person, not a company, meaning that the repercussions would only be seen if the person who received the informations had bad intentions (which I doubt if Mel was in contact with them).
I assume that the whole thing was just arranged internally before anything was made public, and the investors wouldn't accept her presence anymore after that. Both sides show regret about the situation, and Mel herself admitted her fuck-up, so I wouldn't say that it's a heated rivalry we're looking at. Everyone hates this as much as you do, but we can't do shit about Japanese autism sadly.

>>66859223
>This is law 101. You can win a criminal case and still lose a civil case. It's what happened with OJ Simpson.

こんばんは。日本です。アメリカじゃない。

>>66858725
This is absolutely true, but if Mel was being careless with email, she'd get internally disciplined and wrist-slapped. Firing her for careless handling of emails would be absolutely ridiculous; at worst maybe they'd take away her email privileges or something. This is Hololive, not the CIA.

The firing has to be something pretty significant for them to do it, especially given Mel already had "sensitive" history with the company over the stalking problem. It has to be something on par in terms of "badness" with what Rushia did.

>>66859257
I don't agree with this person so they must be SEA or stupid. Definitely not me.

The secret yakuza ojiisan rape orgies

>>66858546
Might just start calling it that because it surely won't be the last time this happens

>>66844651
unironically this

>>66859399
I doubt there are any japanese lawyers here, so its mostly just a discussion of western law.

>>66859365
This is stupid, Cover should show a hint of goodwill if they really wanted to. They aren't bound by an outside force here, they should've just internally punished her and have that be the end of it.
Fucking Japanese bureaucracy I swear to god
>NO! You broke the rules! So you must now DIE!

>>66859169
First, there's a universal truth: CYA.
Second, yes they could have also just hit Reply All which alerted Mel's manager, then causing Mel's manager to look through other things Mel has sent and Mel's manager probably felt they needed to follow CYA themselves and asked their own superior what to do and so on.
It doesn't have to be emails, we've seen firsthand through Rushia that the talents can be loose with how they use Discord (especially since she has to actually juggle multiple accounts/identities) so she could have fucked up there too.

>>66859642
I work here my dude, and I'm telling you you're wrong. So move along little dude.

>>66847036
youre one of those fags that wants 4k raytraced graphics on mario games aren't you?

If Mel was so retarded why didn't they give her a special needs handler

>>66859654
1. If she did leak something, it's still debatable as whether or not it did, it would entirely depend on the severity of what she leaked. If she leaked something that caused security issues, or caused an event to be cancelled, they'd be totally in the right for terminating it.
2. There is no such thing as "japanese bureaucracy". Employers rarely if ever fire people even for things that are rather severe, because it's is extremely difficult to fire people here and not get the shit sued out of your company. Courts favor the employee here.

>>66855052
If you try hard enough you can even guess their nationality
>>66859654
And they did retardchama, why do you think the termination agreement was mutual?

>>66859761
If it was that easy Noel and Kiara would've been fired for their RM comments too. It also seems unlikely that she's been leaking stuff for an extended period of time and it never leaked out into the public

People ITT

>20% corpo dick suckers that don't understand that a multi million dollar company doesn't need them to defend them on 4chan.

Like you're literally not getting anything out of defending cover. You're just a pay pig to them.

>40% people who keep trying to make claims about the japanese legal system and employment system and have no fucking clue how it works and thinks it somehow is similar to the west

Just stop

>10% rrats

keep up the good work, i love this shit

>10% of people that have valid opinions

>>66859954
>why do you think the termination agreement was mutual?

severance. you can't receive severance unless you sign that termination agreement. otherwise you have to go to hello work, retain a lawyer, and go to court. it's much easier and less confrontational to just sign and collect.

>>66860101
>Not a new IP
You just lost an argument didn't you

>>66859796
Alright, so I did some research on this and Japan does have higher standards for burden of proof than the US, but "Japan now seems to have nudged its civil standard down from the level of beyond a reasonable doubt", so it's also less than in a criminal case.
source: https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1610&context=cilj

>>66860288
And you just disproved your own point. Good job anon. Like I said move along little dude.

>>66860101
Keep seething, redditchama

>>66860356
My point is that proof for a civil case isn't required "Beyond a reasonable doubt" and I provided evidence that was true. I'd like to see your source seeing as I provided mine.

>>66844651
they terminate people for saying things that make managers look bad and overlook everything else.

>>66860460
>My point is that proof for a civil case
>civil case

>employment law
>law

>>66860549
>No they don't. For civil cases it's enough to prove it's more likely than not. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is for criminal cases.
This is the post you replied to, and besides, employment law is still civil law.

>>66860649
>employment law is still civil law.
wrong

>This is the post you replied to
And?

>>66860481
>they terminate people for saying things that make managers look bad
Prove it

>>66860691
There's no criminal case here, so it's civil law.

>>66860288
>https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1610&context=cilj

>The major reference work available in English on Japanese civil procedure has this to say on the standard of proof in Japan's civil cases:
>English reference

Even stills says:

>The judge can find a certain fact true only when he has been convinced that it is ninety-nine percent true; he may not, when he has been convinced it is seventy per cent true, but thirty percent
untrue."

>Some authorities contend that conviction based on "a preponderance of evidence" is sufficient, while others appear to insist that a conviction "beyond a reasonable'doubt" is necessary even in a civil trial. The latter seems to be the prevailing view

But yes do go on about one misleading opinion based statement from a white dude in america talking about a justice system he's not a part of.

>>66860964
Wrong. Employment law is not civil. Try again.

Sponsorship and advertising details are a likely one. It seems innocuous but competitors can do a lot of damage with that.

>>66860964
>https://goglobalgeo.com/blog/terminations-in-japan-30-days-notice/

>In 2016, Osaka’s Prefectural Labor Commission ruled the dismissal was wrongful, ordering the airline to withdraw it

And in a separate civil suit

>And in 2017, Osaka’s District Court issued a civil judgment against the airline to reinstate the employees and pay them $360,000 USD in unpaid wages and bonuses

Two different things. One legal, handled by a commission before it reached the courts, for the purpose of legality of the firing, and had the power to reinstate the employees. One civil for the unpaid wages during the time the employees should have remained employees.

But yes please continue reading Cornell documents about unrelated matters written by people who have no experience in the employment and court systems here.

>>66861066
High standard, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. I trust a white dude studying law in America more than a anonymous retard that can't even tell the difference between a civil and criminal case.

>>66861308
>>The judge can find a certain fact true only when he has been convinced that it is ninety-nine percent true; he may not, when he has been convinced it is seventy per cent true, but thirty percent untrue."

Your definition of beyond a reasonable doubt is laughable and your understanding of what employment law is cringeworthy.

>>66860101
And the last 10%?

>>66861362
Nowhere in this thread did I define reasonable doubt, it was a direct quote.

>>66861577
Dear god, you can't be this retarded.

>>66861619
Then quote it, it can't be that hard to source a post from the same thread.

>>66861659
1. Beyond a reasonable doubt has a legal definition you fucking retard
2. "Nudged its civil standard down beyond a reasonable doubt" is undefined and an opinion, and has no place in discussion. It's either legal defined or it's not.
3. You still lack the basic comprehension that employment cases are different from civil cases in Japan. Idk where you're from, but I don't think civil cases where you're at can retroactively place you back into the company legally.

The Zoomer mindset is so weird. Like you break a rule, you face consequences. What has happened to every zoomer that make them think that something is "on god not a big deal, no cap. if you let it slide this time that would slap. my bussy is squealing."

>>66861797
They expect people to value each other more than strict adherence to rules because they aren't faggot edgelords.

This whole NDA is so stupid, nothing got fucking leaked. It's obvious that Cover is just trying to weed lower performers out and hide the fact they are the blackest company somehow even worse than Nijisanji.

Fucking scum bullshit company, change the color blue to black.

>>66851170
Yes there are degrees of violations, I've had to sign an NDA straight out of college, no way would they be able to fire me over something trivial cause the unions would be all over it. It has to be something that's extremely damaging.

>>66861797
yeah, i hate those zoomers during vietnam, they kept murdering their officers. they just have a serious problem with authority.

>>66861896
This right here. Care about people I care about don't care about people I don't. No principle, no adherence to a code, just this empty vague nonsense that changes with the wind. You can't build society around your sensitive little femboy feelings.

>>66861757
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A8%BC%E6%98%8E%E8%B2%AC%E4%BB%BB
It's on the japanese wiki page for "burden of proof". Civil and criminal law have different requirements. I wasn't even arguing #3, but your last post supports it:
>Osaka’s District Court issued a civil judgment against the airline to reinstate the employees

God I can't believe Mel leaked that Hololive's Big Bouncing Boobies Sweaty Summer Splash Partry 2024 was happening in August this year. This was vital information to the company, and I'm sure they're on the brink of death now that it's leaked. Good thing they nuked her from orbit. It's a very serious affair

>>66862071
Still wrong, can't even look up shit correctly.

>>66861797
how do those boots taste?

>>66861937
c
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>>66862021
You can't build society says someone championing against the reason society exists.

>>66861896
that's plain stupid
there are sociopaths and many other lunatics, rules are a must for things to work.

>>66861797
>fire someone for NDA
>oops they talked about some minor bullshit like what iphone they use
>oops they talked about what time they went to the bathroom
>oops they talked about how many hours they practice singing.

>>66861797
It's western zoomer mindset. Retards, degens etc believe that they are actual main characters, special, not NPCs, "neurodivergent" lmao, unique snowflakes that matters.
No wonder reality checks feel so bad for them.

>>66862169
another fundamental misunderstanding of reality. society exists because it was beneficial for everyone to band together and kill the big cat dragging people from their caves at night, rather than let it take them out one by one. that's the whole point of rules. they lay out the guidelines that we all live by for the betterment of us all. selective application of the rules is those cave men deciding to let the big cat drag ug away in the night cus nobody really likes him.

>Anon: Oh no someone is attacking cover corp.
How dare they!

>Yagoo: *cleans tear with 20k usd stack of 10000 yen bills*

ITT kids who dont know what a contract is. i know you're all just coping, but leaking company secrets can get you in jail.

>>66851893
niggerino companies literally tell how much a position will earn when talent scouting...

>>66862789
don't try to use logic, it doesn't work on people here.

>>66861797
We are talking about the same retards who got their first job during the pandemic and pulled the whole "silent quitting" when they got told it was time to start going to the office again

>>66861937
Is this the legendary "nijicope" I hear kids talk about in the catalog?

>>66863002
In unrelated news, after several years of all time high productivity, productivity decreased last year.

>>66863062
No your post responding to it is the nijicope you hear about.

>>66863062
nijicope is a phrase you give corpo dicksuckers that thing niji did nothing wrong and isn't trying to cover their ass.

>>66861797
>Kid steals candy
>Faces the guillotine
>>HUH, WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT??? GROW UP YOU FUCKING ZOOMERS, YOU FACE CONSEQUENCES IN THE REAL WORLD!!!!!

>>66863651
Oh hey I can misrepresent arguments too.
>They/them leaks nuclear launch codes cus they're feeling extra neurodivergent today
>Tried for treason
>WTF, YOU DON'T VALUE PEOPLE MORE THAN STUPID RULES. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND I HAVE FEELINGS REEEEEE

>>66863651
i know right? the parents should get the guillotine

>>66863811
>The insider information of a streamer playing an anime girl on the internet are comparable in importance to nuclear launch codes