/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66836867

>>66836867
newfag

>>66836867
a black one

>>66837015
>reddit
go back

>>66837015
Stop spamming your cringe posts here

>>66836867
>Employees just don’t want to leave
Yeah, looks like nice white company, alright

>>66836867
>talents only leave when forced to, due to breach of contract
wow, sounds like they enjoy working there and leave only when there's no other option

>>66837111
Talents too afraid to say they want to quit because NDA

>>66837015
>reposts his own reddit post
someone go find his username

>>66837371
t. actual retard

>>66836867
3 actual terminations in HoloPro, every other one has been a graduation. You homobeggar sisters count the homos when it suits you so you also need to count all the homo graduations now too.

>>66838397

Cover corp Phrasing:

"Contract Terminated" (契約解除):
Hitomi Chris
Uruha Rushia
Yozora Mel

"Contract has come to an end" (contract not renewed) (契約終了):
Tsukishita Kaoru

"Graduation" (卒業)
Magni Dezmond
Vesper Noir
Tsukumo Sana
Kiryu Coco
Kagami Kira
Mano Aloe
Yakushiji Suzaku
Every CN member

>>66838669
>"Contract Terminated" (契約解除):
>Hitomi Chris
>Uruha Rushia
>Yozora Mel
Exactly what I just said, yes. 3 of them.
I'm even willing to say that HoloCN was a branch termination, but that was entirely the Chinese investors closing the branch, it wasn't Cover's decision.

Will they terminate Sora toi if she's also had a fuck up with the NDA?

>>66838759
契約終了 could also be translated as "contract termination", due to what the word termination means in English, but if you read between the lines a little bit I think as "end of the time period that the contract was valid for" where the fact that there wasn't a contract renewal is left implied, is a more appropriate way of translating in a world where 解除 has also been used and is a much more applicable word to use in the context of contracts.

>>66838951
yes

>>66838951
YES

>>66836867
Do us a headcount on this one, all of the VTA's were terminated by the way.

>>66838951
Isn’t she a shareholder? But yes regardless

>>66839111
holykek

>>66839111
>Niji graveyard
Holy kek. A C C E L E R A T E

>>66839158
>graveyard
Let's not kid ourselves, it's a mass grave

>>66837371
>Talents... Too afraid to quit... because NDA will get them fired?
Holy mother of god, this is it. I don't think I'll be seeing anything more idiotic today. It's not possible.

>>66838951
Look dont shytpost with daisempai. Im gonna b in mourning for ages over mel. I nvr recovered from rushia getting fired.

>>66836867
zzzz

>>66839559
Cover can sue them with "They broke the NDA" excuse

>>66839827
You can just leave quietly without breaking nda though? What even is your logic?

>>66839827
Anon...
....
Mel and Rushia aren't getting sued. They just got fired.

Are you okay???

Unironically why would anyone in their right mind actually quit a job where you can put in minimal effort to be an anime woman online, and get money thrown at you by a bunch of lonely losers?
You either get fired, or continue to rake in easy money.

>>66837015
How true is this

>>66839559
They could get blacklisted, and future career prospects damaged

>>66836867
Hololive Terminations: Hitomi Chris, Yozora Mel, Uruha Rushia and Mano Aloe

Hololive Graduations: Kiryuo Coco, Tsukumo Sana, Kagami Kira, Yakushiji Suzaku, Tsukishita Kaoru.

Contract Disagreement: Magni Dezmond, Noir Vesper

Chinese Branch: Based Middle Finger to China, plus talents were given proper Graduations if wanted it.

Tally: 9 Graduations, 4 Terminations, 2 Quits

Where the hell did this 4:1 number come from?

>>66840478
>How much truth comes from the resident schitzo on the biggest schitzo board on the website
You tell me

>>66841097
OP is an uneducated peenoise who can't math. Plz undastan.

>>66841097
>HEADCANON: Magni , Vesper

>>66841097
Mano was a graduation

>>66841097
Kaoru wasn't a graduation, read the announcement again

Aloe was a graduation, read the announcement again

>>66838669

>>66840836
>they are being held hostages by a good career prospect
Oh no, someone stop them!

>>66839111
>Thread aboout Hololive
>No mention of Nijisanji in OP
Rent-fucking free lmao.

>>66841533
OP implied that Hololive is a balck company, aka, a Nijisanji company.

>>66841622
>No mention of Nijisanji in OP
>Rent-fucking free lmao.

>>66841286
Go tell that to the official Holopage then

>>66841650
Going to start posting that image more. Really makes you people fill your diapers when you see it

>Holotroons unable to defend their company without constantly deflecting to "b-b-b-b-but X-company!!! living rent-free inside their heads"
Lol. Lmao.

>>66841650
Kek, angry that people associate nijisanji with a black company?
You should be happy, it's free marketing, nijifag.

>>66841768
>>66841650
>>66841747

>terminations
>4:1
good bait.
people would think fagni and the other nigga were terminated when they simply didn't renew contracts
good job

>>66841837
No, you reply to your own bait.

>>66841747
>>66841837

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiszpYxanNA
faa gaming

>>66836867
how is nobody wanting to leave proof of a bad company?

>>66840478
Most is dramatized but true.
The biggest WTF I've ever had with Cover that's just been swept under the rug with no explanation was that thing about management giving mod status to the chink wheelbarrow spammers.
Coco sent them a list of people to mass ban and apparently "they misclicked" and modded them instead. Then Coco had to mod individual veteran gachikois and the chat became an All Out War.
I've never heard of any other event as fucking batshit insane as far as Holo history goes.

>>66836867
Yes, It so white none want to leave voluntary.

>>66837056
>>66837095
>>66838078
See how they recoil, how injured they are, how they suddenly shrink back: "We’ve been found out"

>>66840836
It hasn't happened yet, but conceivably it could. Conceivably the sky could also fall.

>>66836867
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsn7dB_gD0s

>>66842453
The thing is ever since then Hololive has drastically improved their stream mod system. That was a mistake, but now they have a dedicated team of people working on it since then.

Certain EN have talked about the system and how there's a team of moderators from streams now who have probably saved countless of yabs happening. Here was the job posting he put on his channel
https://web.archive.org/web/20221101055949/https://hrmos.co/pages/cover-corp/jobs/0000162
These new mods are silent and not allowed to talk at all, but are always watching and working behind the scenes. You can tell because Mori said so like a retard, calling out the name of the hidden mod doing actions on her stream https://www.youtube.com/live/WHLtjuVRddo?si=X_7Jj3M-6l88_R-e at 10:000:44 and many other examples like from Gura being spammed and specifically thanking the hidden mod in her Minecraft streams

They have actually learned from their mistakes, unlike nijisanji, and I find that the more I look into things behind the scenes (job postings, etc) you can see they're always making an effort where in nijisanji everything behind the scenes about them is just worse and worse. Reminder that the nijisanji staff tried creating their own NFT project and ditched the talents

>>66836867
>Join hololive
>No one wants to leave

>>66842693
what is this headcanon

>>66836867
Based. "Graduation" is a stupid meme.

>>66845932
thank fucking god they've improved that

>>66839857
Some say Gura has already done so.

>>66841282
It is 100% clear that they were not forced out, they chose to quit.

>>66837015
>>66840478
in this shitpost thread, this is still objectively; how they handled coco is nijisanji tier.

>>66849574
This makes it more likely they simply refused contract shit. I'm guessing:
>Cover asks to renew contracts, they just got new updates
>They hardball on contracts, want bigger cut
>Cover refuses
>They refuse to stream
>Contract runs out, can't stream without one
>No graduation stream

Pretty clear now, since Mel got instantly fired when she was just streaming like, yesterday.

>>66849808
We know what it was about (it was music). Magni wanted to release mixtapes of his loopstation shit and Vesper didn't want to sing at all. That's all it was.

>>66836867
>>66837015
GTFO nijiniggers

>>66837015
Kekson whined about how hololive wouldn't let her be creative to only go to vshojo and make the least creative content possible. I'm convinced half her arguing with management was them refusing to let her show her cleavage on stream

>>66836867
that implies that talent rarely leave the company willingly and have to be fired instead. if it was the other way round with talents desperate to leave as soon as their contract allowed cover would look much worse

>>66838669
NO GRADUATION STREAM
Hitomi Chris
Uruha Rushia
Yozora Mel
Tsukishita Kaoru
Magni Dezmond
Vesper Noir
Kagami Kira
Mano Aloe
Yakushiji Suzaku

Had graduation streams
Tsukumo Sana
Kiryu Coco
Every CN member

There are clearly more disagreement than agreement between the company and the talents. I have no idea what happen at the holostars side of things but
>Sana
is probably the only one that has no complaint about Cover whatsoever
>Coco
Complained about no talent freedom. Cover actively preventing her from collabing with the English branch to please the chinks.
>Every CN member
Doris came out and said that they were forced to graduate. Cover's legal team fed them a lot of scary stuff so they actually didn't have a say or not whether they should graduate at that time. They don't have any leverage. Cover promised to release the model but changed their mind in the end.

>company is so good talents only leave if they fuck up

>>66852757
Yes anon, Ukraina is winning and Rushia is losing too.

>>66840285
>Put in minimal effort to be an anime girl online
Gura says you don't even have to do that and can skip right to the raking in money step.

>>66845932
source on the NFT project? First I've heard of it

>>66852501
>Cover promised to release the model but changed their mind in the end.
you mean the chink management told them cover would do that in order to put pressure on cover right?

>>66852942
but that's true though

>>66836867
Idk sound to me like talents actually want to stay and usually only leave because they fucked up

>>66850409
She literally left just to watch TikTok compilations because she couldn't review low effort reddit memes with copyrighted material (i.e most of them)

>>66845932
>1100 yen per hour
Holy black company
That's less thatn $7.50 an hour before tax.

>>66836867
>pretending to care about Chinks and Homos.

You and I both know you're just trying to push an agenda.

>>66845932
Can confirm. Was watching Fuwamoco's Escalator stream last night, and some retard started spamming about reading the Koran. Those comments got wiped almost instantly and the spammer vanished.

I actually didn't know about the mod improvements though. Interesting stuff.

>>66836979
>math is Chinese propaganda
/#/bros I don't feel so good...

>>66850409
It wasn't. They cracked down on Asacoco, the Reddit meme review, and wouldn't let her collab with HoloEN (though it's never been clear who was blocking those collabs; upper Cover management, Coco's manager, or Omegatroon). The stuff where all the Chinese antis got modded was the last straw.

She got fed up and just left.

>>66850409
They handled the bugmen situation terribly, it was a shitshow and probably the core part of why she left

>>66839111
Holy fuck

>>66840478
Not 100% true, but let me put it this way, don't ever ask tatsunokos how deafening was Gura's silence.

>>66836867
Didn't ask Vshartjo

>You literally need to get fired/fuck up really bad/literally attacked by an entire country to leave hololive
Better than talents leaving willingly for vshojo or indie because they can't achieve anything more in nijisanji desu.

>>66841160
those are facts nigger

>>66860723
what part isnt true according to you?

>>66845932
>That was a mistake
Yeah. Sure. A mistake.
You don't give mod privileges to an entire group of spammers by mistake.
Also reddit spacing.

>>66836867
>Company so nice they have to be forced to leave
Yeah, it is.

>>66836867
That just means that nobody wants to leave the company but sometimes it is forced by the circumstances to terminate employees.

>>66842453
I still remember those streams. Chat was literally a warzone.

>>66839111
>Fifty thousand people used to live here… Now it’s a ghost town.

>>66836867
Follow your contract and there won't be any issue

>>66836867
>The talents dont want to leave the work and the only reason most of them do, is because a fuck up that the company has no choice but to let them go.
The fact that you think this is anything but a good look for the company is odd,

>>66837371
Talents too happy being there to want to quit
:D

>>66863896
Are you chinese by chance?

>>66836867
The fuck are you talking about? Cover has 3 terminations. Coco, Sana, Ves, magni, Kaoru and Kira all graduated you fucking cretin.

>>66864468
yeah, graduated without a stream lol
enjoy your win sister!

>>66836867
Don’t break contract. Simple as really

>>66837015
>r*ddit

>>66845932
invisible.. mods?
invisbile wars..

>>66841747
Why would they need defending, they’ve done nothing wrong? Break NDA and you get fired, that’s how it works

>>66842444
>>66842568
This

>people in general dont like to leave a great job
>messing up and getting fire is almost always the only reason people leave the company
interesting how mentally ill people try to paint this as a bad thing

>>66837015
Coco was a trouble maker and a blight on the company, they did nothing wrong getting rid of her

>>66841097
It's 10:3:2. Aloe chose to graduate after being doxxed and incessantly harassed by crazy fans.

Terminations > Graduations because Hololive is pretty much any vtuber's dream job and once you get inside you hardly want to except for really pressing external factors.
btw, I see a lot of CN shills posting in here, did you know that

The Tiananmen Square protests, known in China as the June Fourth Incident. were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China, lasting from 15 April to 4 June 1989???

>>66860053
> and wouldn't let her collab with HoloEN
thank fucking god they blocked her from doing that. You see how stupid she's been with vshojou. HoloEN dodges a bullet there.

>>66850028
nah, Vesper demand less, i mean the restriction, he cant get permission for games he wanted, also game mods largely banned

>>66837015
Cover really did that Japanese harassment thing where they made Hololive so unpleasant that Coco wanted to quit. The paid shills will argue those are coincidences but they only started after the flag incident. Management was bitter about leaving the Chinese market and they made Coco and Haachama into their sacrificial lambs.

>>66836867
>>terminations outnumber graduations 4:1
>17 members have left
>only 3 or 4 of them were officially terminated
And don't try to count vague bts circumstances as a termination either

What I'm getting from this is that Nijisanji is scummy in a tech douche way where they underfund and underpay their actual talent and management doesn't have a clue what they're doing. Cover is scummy in an idol corp way where if you look older than 16 and/or don't suck every cock you're told you get shitcanned with no warning

>>66852501
Not to mention that Magni and Vesper were borderline gifted revamped models just to be further incentivized to stay, but that STILL didn't work, like an abusive person trying to mend a relationship after the rape. Not only that, but as mentioned they also got no graduation stream. Maybe management realized there was no stopping them at that point, so they turned 180 and kicked them out; no second chances. And Aloe had no salvation, she was just shat on.

But hey, "they are not like the other corporations", right? Corporate environments are "ok, sometimes".

>>66871997
>shat on.
>literally tried to encourage her to stay but she went full woman moment and decided to not get tons of money cause they doxxed her ex-bf

>>66863655
bro, that is only a fraction of a 400-wide talent company! there is way more than enough to dampen the hits. dont blind yourself because Holo is only 90-wide, ofc there would be less graduations on this side of the fence!

>>66836979
kys tumblrtard

>>66836867
Yes. Only small number of talents willingly left the company. Everybody else wanted to stay there because it's so great. The terminations happened because the talents acted inappropriately, despite company's best efforts.
You didn't think this thread through, huh?

>>66872702
Anon, they've lost more members in one year than Hololive has in total. Hell, I'm pretty sure in general they've lost more members than Hololive has ever employed.

Constant expansion can only justify that for so long, especially if their turnover rate for 2024 is as bad as last year's.

>>66863482
what a time that was. Chink site was even distributing bots to spam Coco, literal sewer insects.

>>66871997
Nijinig and revisionism.

>>66873765
They found a lot of nijinig falseflag accounts, it all happen after she shittalk on niji fanbase harrasing the other organ.

>>66836867
>>terminations outnumber graduations 4:1
>meaning most of them were still happy and didn't want to leave on their own as opposed to what usually happens in Niji and Vshojo
How's that a bad thing again?

>>66838397
>>66838669
So according to you it’s actually 3:12? Does this change the other anons thoughts or will they flip the script to now say look only 3 terminations?

>>66839111
Good shit anon since you’re making a comparison they must stand on equal grounds. One might be more black but according to you overall they are both black

>>66874036
It’s not a bad thing but turns out 90% of the people posting in this thread don’t actually watch hololive. You aren’t even threadreaders if you don’t immediately see the issue with his statement.

>niji organs can't wait to get out of the company
>holos have to literally get kicked out of the company
Is this supposed a bad thing?

>>66873765
This is why I will never forgive Nijiniggers. They deserve all the shit they get.

>>66836867

>>66873765
this was almost entirely Hololive fans

>>66882002
Imagine still thinking this in 2024.

>>66839111
imagine being the retard to count VTA as if they ever have been nijisanji members and put students who literally went to nijisanji in the last wave like toto as if she was terminated. congratulations retard, you make yourself worse every time
also i love the "only talents that were hosted on the official nijisanji.jp website" while you put vta, taipei and shangai in there when those never have been in it

>>66873575
if its as bad as last year, which it wont be as it only was a thing because of ID, they still would have 170 members. do you retards not think before saying that?

>>66882602
>which it wont be as it only was a thing because of ID
You're right. This year it'll be EN!

>>66838951
what even is NDA is it they must follow it no matter what even if written there are retarded as shit?

>>66882803
the day they announce 4 graduations at the same time then I'll agree with you. until then, Ill remain with the same opinion. Dont forget id lost 10 members in 9 months

>>66836867
>people are not trying to leave a company en masse
>this means the company is bad
Why are you like this?

>>66882803
This is basic arithmetic and you’re awful at it

>>66882822
NDAs are contracts where you agree to not talk about things you’ve seen or know. For vtubing companies it would contracts, models, events, jobs, and auditions/debuts. Hololive has the added effect of you can’t speak about their games (holoearth, holocure, etc), future concerts before they are revealed, and anything related to the identities of holos. Holocure went under that when they officially teamed up with the guy. NDAs are enforceable by choice and by varying degrees the weakest of which being a reason to terminate. And if you think it’s bad for the girls if Yagoo did it being unseated would be the least of his worries because he’d be arrested. (CEO doing it is almost guaranteed insider trading). However comma NDAs aren’t rock solid they don’t defend against mistreatment or criminal offenses.

>>66883288
Seriously how many people pretend to watch hololive? You’re less than a threadreader because graduations get pinned. You’re all biting the bait so what discord are you from

>>66836867
that means nobody want to leave, that's a great sign

>>66873765
Man that was a fucking time. KusoDad going on the loose, the final showdown and THE Hiatus followed by her return were absolute kino.
Then season 2 where she met with Chitose and finally redeemed herself in her eyes and getting the Guchico model.


Hopefully Mel gets some good support.

>>66836867
>Streamers don't want to quit from the company
>Only streamers removed are those that fuck up and leak shit

Actually, yeah

>>66882525
You will never stop being a black company

I don't get it, what are people even accusing Cover of?
I know Mel wasn't the biggest but she was still a net asset, no company would do what Cover did without good reason right? I'm a NEET that's never had a job so far but I'd assume contracts and NDAs are srsbsns in the real world right?
Also isn't a higher rate of terminations a better look for a corp than a higher rate of grads? Since graduating means the talent actually wants to leave. In fact more terminations is prob a bigger tell for the sort of people the holos themselves are.

>>66873765
wtf is nijisanji evil?

>>66894967
Yes, old news desu.

>>66873765
I remember a Cover statement that basically said she would be welcome back if she ever chose to
Kind of glad she didn't, she's doing her own indie thing now with quite a bunch of aloe fans and she's relatively isolated from faggotry
The only thing I miss was the aloe model which was pure seggs

>>66838669
>"Graduation" (卒業)
>Magni Dezmond
>Vesper Noir
Lol lmao

>>66898233
hey man, I don't make the rules. Cover choose their wording, not me

>>66873765
This is all BS and you screencapped your won post

Terminations are a good thing. A real life idol is way past her expiration date after 5 years in the biz. They need to:

A. Make room for new gens
B. Consolidate holofans onto the girls where it makes sense to spend resources. Think about how much better concerts etc would be if they didn't have to throw a bone to every member and could focus on the ones people will actually watch.

Unironically it would be in Cover's best interest to just straight cull the bottom performer of every gen after a year of activity, minimum

>>66873765
>Posted on December 2023
Literal holobronies' history revisionism. Aloe's graduation is because of Nene doxxing her with her drawing and tweets. Without the dox they wouldn't be able to find her twitcast that fast.

yagoo fears the bunshun cannon, so it had to be done
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%ABkan_Bunshun

>>66899525
>if she wasn't doxxed, nijinigs wouldn't have found her twitcast
No shit, Sherlock.

Also
>expecting large corpos with a previous online presence not to be found out almost immediately

>>66841097
Suzaku and Kaoru did not graduate, neither of them reached a year in activities and they aren't considered alumni. Cover even wiped Kaoru's twitter.

>>66836867
>terminations outnumber graduations
Anon, they graduated an entire branch. You suck at math.

>>66901507
Suzaku technically graduated, you can still read the notice on the cover website

>>66838669
>"Graduation" (卒業)
>Magni Dezmond
>Vesper Noir
I didn't watch hololive since last year but what happened with the holo dudes? Last time I heard vesper was in hiatus because he had a fight with the management or some shit

>>66902104
Vesper and Magni just chose not to renew their contracts and fucked off

>>66841097
ITT: people who think Aloe actually chose to graduate

>>66902455
Fake