/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66767468
In case you're not a troll, they got caught with their manager having sex with the talents and the talents selling sex to their fans. "Idol" my ass.

>>66767468
Brave Group fired Idol's paid shitposters

>>66767577
>"Idol" my ass
All that sounds very idol-like to me, as much as it shouldn't be.

>>66767577
nta any info moving forward? is streams halted currently?

>>66767579
Pretty sure that happened before Brave group joins idol

>>66767468
One yab too many and of the unicorn killing type, so they are in hibernation as they do some restructuring, specially since they are allying with a JP corpo. Check again in a couple months, they will probably be back on their feet then.

it's the calm before the storm

>>66767468
I miss Rin's Youtube shorts that shared on Twitter. Wonder why she stopped doing the thing that made her and idol popular

>>66767468
>I never see their chuubas posted here anymore
>>66758158

>>66767468
Their talent training facility in New York was recently raided by the police over a misunderstanding and there has been a lot of legal shittery going on. Please understand.

>EIEN won
What a fucking strange timeline we're in right now.

>>66767995
>try to bring asian idol culture to the west
>get raided by the police and uncovered to be a sex pest
makes you think

>>66767468
im still waiting for their idolES debuts
maybe they realized their mistake?

>>66768078
EIEN talents stream, which can't be said about big chunk of Idol.

>>66767468
Wait, who's Shiori

>>66768747
Do your Hololive reps.
This is Hololive board.

>>66768747

>>66768836
Cute

>>66767577
That's what happens in the idol industry tho

>>66767468
Advent destroyed the small corpos. Barely anyone is watching them now. They are going out of business one after another.

Eel is going strong
Prince is going strong
Kai is... going
Roca is going strong(?)
Pochi trashed her wonderful design to become a generic dog loli.
The lolis stick to pandering to the lowest common denominator and having melties

Pochi is such a menhera retard
Hope she posts her feet again before finally graduating or killing herself

I only pay any attention to Roca who dropped a great cover an actual English language rock song a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TpVFW9qkkc

>>66769042
Roca is going really strong, possibly second strongest talent after Rin.
Poko would also be up there with how much stuff she does.

>>66767835
it was one single talent who was a known drug addict and menhera before joining idol, however they signed her on because her PL was very popular. that talent has since been terminated, along with the manager in question

>>66767935
because it didn't translate to live stream viewers very well, in the short term it did, but people who watch youtube shorts have a short attention span, and won't commit to a chuuba, so most of them left after a month or two, leaving rin exactly where she was before doing youtube shorts

>>66769203
>a known drug addict and menhera before joining
That description could apply to a lot of EN talents desu

>>66767468
Pick ur poison:
-turns out spamming shorts' to gain subscribers in a short period of time doesn't translate to stream ccv, members or supas and organic growth is better
-the riro scandal
-merch deal with Brave Group which cuts into the talents' share of the profit and have them disgruntled and back on their PLs
-sand people are busy fighting each other
-their HQ in NY got busted

I don't wish for them to implodes, and I hope they don't because some of my favourites are inclining, but it is what it is.

>>66767468
Kind of hard for shills to brag about their company when the co-founder was caught having sex with one of their talents. Even if he got fired it's still a huge stain on their legacy.

>>66767577
Better idols than hololive then, kek

>>66767577
Hollywood idol yes

>>66767468
The groomer manager was the manager all the girls liked. Ghost Gura went back to her /k/ groomers.

>>66769158
I only watch her karaoke and covers but that girl is a force of nature

>>66769042
i'm really sad how pochi went because her previous model was basically korone but swedish. not too sexy but definitely a good amount of sex appeal.
now her model is pure jailbait and the magic isn't as strong

>>66767468
>never see their chuubas posted here anymore
There is their own thread and there's even a separate one for their now excommunicated fanbase/talent (not the terminated one, basically they're having a situation of their own though I don't know all the details on that)

>>66767468
Yuko happened.

yeah, but what about Yuko?

>>66767935
it attracted the worst tourists to her streams

>>66768967
Phase seems to be doing fine, at this point I think people would rather join phase than NijiEN

>>66769829
Phase is now a medium sized corp like Vshojo

>>66769829
>literally nobody mentions phase
>phase is doing good

>>66769904
>Advent destroyed the small corpos. Barely anyone is watching them now. They are going out of business one after another.
Phase is a small corpo. Anon corrected the post saying that Advent destroyed all small corpos by mentioning that Phase was doing good. It's not that hard to wrap your head around

>>66769904
>”Advent destroyed the small corpos”
>literally nobody mentions Phase
?
Is Phase no longer considered one of the small corpos? Have they gone up in the world?

>>66769576
>her previous model was basically korone but swedish
She's french canadian

>>66770083
Phase is getting bigger but the gulf between"small" corpos and Nijisanji and Hololive is just way too big for anyone to join their league

>>66769904
Smartest holotard

EN corpo rundown:

>HoloEN
The golden land

>NijiEN
The factory of sadness

>Vshojo
Not a fan of their twitch focus but I have to admit they made some good poaching last year

>Phase
Somehow became the most stable EN small corpo, any company that can tard wrangle the likes of Pippa has my respect

>idol
EN started off strong but then the yabs happened

>kawaii
Will never live down having a whole gen bail on them

>PRISM
They exist

>EIEN
Also exist, they seem to be managing without Riffu

>V4M and Globie
I honestly know shit about them but they seem to give their talents 3D models and concerts very quickly. Pomu's sister got 3D only after a few months

>>66769278
Wait did their HQ really get raided or are you all memeing about those underground jew tunnels in NY?

>>66770454
Honestly the yab shouldn't affect Idol all that badly considering it was them being transparent and firing everyone involved. Their strong debut buff is just still wearing off. If they can either do a successful gen 3 or unironically Phase collabs they should start inclining.

>>66769829
It’s because Phase Connect is the only one that distinguished itself by being more than a HoloEN substitute.

>>66770672
NijiEN tapped into a market that no other EN corpo appealed to at the time and they still managed to fuck it up

>>66770535
The latter

clown is doing great

>>66770599
>firing everyone involved
Yeah, thats kinda the problem. Turns out Tomer was actually needed.

I'm glad Yuko is leaving

>>66767577
Oh and dont type in "Aviel Katta" into any vt archive
Aviel is the founder of Idol and Katta was in the first gen of talents

>>66770156
with how the lines are moving phase average ccv might overtake nijien average ccv this year

>>66770860
Pippa has been getting higher ccv than most of nijien for the last little while

>>66770744
She is actually doing really well, that's why it's so strange seeing her resumed activity on her pl.

>>66770860
Nijisanji is too big for anything EN to make a budge.

>>66769829
>Phase
>doing fine
The subscriber count for their newest gen is way below where Idol's 2nd gen was. For some reason the influx in viewers than Phase talents are getting not subscribing to them nor commenting nor doing anything that would be beneficial to the channel besides being counted as a view. You would think, for instance, that since Jelly had 250-300 concurrent viewers during her streams about a month after her debut in Phase that the current Phase gen would be far past her in subscriber count but, time-aligned, Jelly actually had more subs than 3/5ths of the new Phase girls, which is strange.

>>66771080
Phase has a more dedicated audience that watches streams

>>66770798
>was
She still is.

>>66770761
How could a Jewish nepo hire have been doing anything irreplaceable

>>66771080
Rin has more than double the subscribers of Pippa yet doesn't even get half the CCV
Idol has a serious problem with a large portion of their subscriber count being dead due to artificial inflation from YT shorts as well as the ungodly levels of paid shilling and ads that they run that don't translate to live viewers.

>>66767468
They got bought by Vspo parent corp. They are in silent mode probably until Vspo EN happens.

>>66771116
So, they are dedicated in that they watch streams consistently but not dedicated enough to subscribe? Or are you saying that Phase Connect has in general a much smaller overall fanbase?

>>66770717
when you think about it, Phase occupies the niche that Lazusydia-era NijiEN occupied, which was the less famous alternative to HoloEN where you’d hear more lewd jokes and bathroom humor.
I think that’s why antis constantly bring up males, as if Phase has the same problem that NijiEN (or even technically HoloEN) has.
Phase allows collabs with males, like every other corpo, but unlike Hololive or Nijisanji, it doesn’t have male talents in the corpo. That means management doesn’t have the incentive to push male collabs or try to find a golden goose for males that doesn’t exist.
Phase seems to agree with the theory that you can’t have a mixed gen corpo without one of the genders dominating over the other. I imagine it’s why even someone who’s collabed with males like Lia has done a Fubuki and promised that males won’t join the company as long as she’s there.

>>66771116
>He says this as they only watch pippa and nobody else in the company while the youtube people dont watch the same vtubers on twitch and viceversa
Phase has the most disloyal audience in vtubing

>>66771211
Rin plays games and doesn't watch bodycam footage or car crashes or medical surgeries or whatever reaction shit that PIppa is doing. Rin is an actual VTuber, not a reaction streamer.

>>66771211
>abusing shorts meta
And your explaination for Roca is... ? One whole short which was pre-debut

>>66771316
Yeah I guess if you count every person who has subscribed as being a fan. They evidentially don't watch streams though.
>>66771378
Numberfag properly retard

>>66771080
Anon, like the others who responded to you said, Phase viewers actually watch streams. Every time I’ve seen gen3 stream, even now, they’re either 4views or high 3view (higher than all the streams in that pic).
Even if they have fewer subscribers, they’re getting higher ccv. I don’t know if it’s related to fishman’s marketing, but I guess they just get fewer dead subs.
I do think Phase is building a phasebox, but it’s probably not nearly as strong as Hololive. You’re getting some Phase fans who subscribe to everybody like they do in Hololive, but it’s hardly common. Many phasefags still only care about their oshi and not about other members.

>>66771080
>not subscribing to them nor commenting nor doing anything that would be beneficial to the channel besides being counted as a view

>Too autistic to subscribe because feeding the corpo machine is bad
>Too schizo to comment because OSINT fingerprint
>Can only watch in silence

Sounds about right for Phase.

>>66771518
>Phase fans
*Phaggots
Yeah I've noticed that the girls each have really strong individual pull so despite Overlap Connect being a daily occurrence the numbers actually don't get hurt that much.

>>66771518
So the idea of that the fish is paying for viewfarms to artificially inflate ccv didn't enter your head? Because they're getting higher views but most of them are behind Jelly who was getting 30-50% of the ccv that the new girls are getting. In terms of math and logic, it doesn't shake out. The new girls should be well above where Jelly was and above where Idol's 2nd gen was.

>>66771381
Rin's gaming streams are arund 500-600 ccv, which is still great for Idol but those aren't most popular.
Over 1k streams are autistic variety streams she does.
She could probably have better numbers with gaming streams by following what is popular but Nintendo stuff is her comfort place. And management is probably happy that she streams at all, unlike most of her genmates.

>>66771316
see
>>66771211
Dead subs mean nothing. The percentage of subbed viewers that watch streams for Phase is much higher because their dedicated audience actually exists and isn’t reliant on ads or other methods.
>>66771498
Roca’s subcount jumped over 10k from the run of ads done for her donothon two weeks ago. If subs are so important then why has Roca’s average CCV barely increased?

>>66771746
/pcg/ constantly cries about chat being unusable because it's too fast

I'm not arguing about Phase is an Idol thread anymore this is stupid

>>66771847
this isn’t an idol thread, it’s a catalog thread. If you come here looking for actual discussion you’re retarded

>>66771806
Have they tried not spamming 70 ritualposts the moment the thread starts

>>66772069
>pcg/ constantly cries about chat being unusable because it's too fast
>chat
read nigga

>Juna
SEX
>Kai
SEX
>Roca
SEX

>>66771802
Roca has only had a few streams since her donothon and her recent karaoke got a peak over 1000 viewers despite Rin and a couple of her genmates streaming at the same time. Since viewfarms are not being used, it wouldn't make since for her original DOOM stream or goal planning zatsus would suddenly jump up in viewership.

>>66772042
I can dream. I just want vtubers to be more successful in the west because I'm tired of virtual escorts doing the most boring shit on stream ever and making bank because people are too stupid to goon without wasting money.

Is Yuko ok? I liked her.

>>66772468
No she restarted her PL and sent her poor boobros into a death spiral since christmas

>>66772597
What, was she unhappy or something?

>>66772713
The most prevalent rrat is that because Idol got into some merchandising deal with Brave Group, the girls got a lower cut of their merch sales. So Yuko restarted her pl. Maybe she’s preparing to leave. Or maybe Aviel convinced Yuko this will increase merch sales and make up for the lower cut, and she’s just keeping her pl around so she can leave if things go south.

>>66772713
who knows
she hasnt streamed in over 2 weeks and she reconnected (read liked a twitter post and followed) with a PL groomer and that made the boobros break containment and started openly ask for a membership stream to talk to her

>>66769904
You know Phase (Lia and Rie)gonna have a collab with HOLOSTARS on the sunday right?

Its only time until we have PippXFauna and PankoXKiara collab.

>>66773378
Rin has already collabed with Holostars multiple times. Phase has a lot of catching up to do.

>>66767995
Was it located in an underground tunnel?

>>66772385
>phase definitely using viewbots
>idol definitely not using viewbots
ogey

>>66773378
As long as the male isn’t in the same corpo as them, I don’t give a shit. I’ll skip it, but only because these are always on the male’s channel and I can’t be bothered to go there and watch.
The only time males are an issue is when they’re in the same corpo, and management is incentivized to force them down our throats. Other than that, it really doesn’t matter unless you’re a unicorn. Both Phase and Idol are fine.

>>66773378
Even kawaii already had a Holo collab

>>66773793
Idol's average ccv has not tripled in the past few months with subscriber rates lagging behind their competition, so why would you think they were using viewbots?

>>66773464
They are collabing with HoloLive ID. The Holostar is literally the smallest person in the collab.

>>66774167
Ollie collabs with anybody. Hardly worth bragging about.

>>66774229
She hasn’t collabed with Rin or Idol. Strange.

>>66767577
One man's idol is another man's cumdump. I will never get idolizing women.

>>66767468
their hiring standards are vshojo tier basically, some good talents in there but any utter gutter trash gets accepted with an apparent ignorance of the fact that eventually their overall behaviors/modes will undermine themselves and the company inevitably because these are randos scattered across the globe and you can't make them be better people.

>>66772385
Well, Roca's karaoke streams always has been high 3 view to low 4view, otherwise her streams got a little bit boost but they're still in 3view territory. Not that I'm complaining tho, the less shitters the better
t .A jamstone

>>66773793
>t. smartest numbernigger

>>66774229
Phase kawaii and vrev have HoloLive collabs
Idol only has Holostars
So sorry

>>66769576
>swedish
Holy shit. There's dekinai, and then there's LITERALLY only knowing anything about English and not any other language on the planet.

>>66767468
got exposed as an online prostitution agency organized by the Jew

>>66774589
I think he's just confusing pochi for poko.

>>66769364

Where is this kawaii x Ollie collab. Surely you’re not talking about a 3 minute birthday call in?

>>66770798
same chuuba that says she has dreams of fucking her fans btw

>>66774302
Rin is only one who could ask for that, thing is she's a long time fan of Holostars and probably doesn't give a fuck about anyone else.

>>66767468
lumi won...

>>66770454
>Pomu's sister got 3D only after a few months
Not a few months, 34 days.

>>66771080
>CCV is way above average for the subscriber count
>this is le bad somehow
>also, all the known clippers like Azehara, low effort clips, xyznchro are totally not doing anything
retard

>>66775123
yes anon, viewfarms or otherwise artifically inflating ccv is not a good thing.

>>66771381
Why move the goalposts when you can choose a whole other fucking stadium, huh

>>66771606
>silence
My brother in Moot have you seen how fast their general moves? Or what happens to chat any time Pippa raids someone outside the company?

>>66771746
>So the idea of that the fish is paying for viewfarms to artificially inflate ccv didn't enter your head?
No, because that's obviously retarded to anyone who watches streams.

Don't care, they got me this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TpVFW9qkkc
Sounds like a good enough corp to me.

>>66774690
BUMP

>>66767468
the only time any vtuber is posted in the catalog is when shitposters are trying to start shit. idol had a yab recently, so shitposters moved on to other vtubers and agencies to try and shit on. expect idol threads to ramp back up soon since they are still doing alright despite the problems they've had.

>>66774883
Ollie would love to spend an entire stream talking about Holostars with Rin. She'd probably cum hands-free.

>>66775549
have you visited /jidf/ lately? it’s unusable

>>66775190
>viewfarms or otherwise artifically inflating ccv
Again, anyone who actually watches streams and sees the chat knows this is an unfathomably retarded hypothesis.

>>66775549
>the only time any vtuber is posted in the catalog is when shitposters are trying to start shit
What the fuck else threads do (You) want to see in the catalog, anon? This is the vtuber board.

>>66773966
Ollie has not collabed with kawaii only a brief call-in
She has collabed with vrev and pixellink both in the same lethal company collab. That is her small corpo expierence.

Kiara collabs more with literal whos I can list off about 10 small corpo/indie shitters she collabs with

>>66775673
Then you need to explain why most of the new gen are doing worse than Jelly in subscriber count when Jelly debuted to like 10% of the audience size, had next to zero advertising, and got around 1/3 of the ccv in her streams. Go ahead, anon.

As someone that watches them, it's the yabs. /jidf/ has been demoralized as fuck since the Riro termination. The talents have had their fair share of hardships since that time too, multiple hiatus, increased PL activity and people not streaming in general. There's tons of rrats as to why, but I won't really discuss them.

Here's a QRD on the state of the talents
>Pochi
On a guerrilla-only schedule, she streams when she feels like it.
>Fuyo
Had a bit of a hard time coping with the Riro yab (closest friend in Idol) but she is showing improvement and is over the worst of it.
>Rin, Juna
Doing the same as always
>Yuko
She is yabbing big time now. Hasn't been consistently streaming for a long while since she is on vacations with family allegedly. If you want the unhinged schizo qrd >>66748156 but take it with a pinch of salt
>Katta Nikki
They had a bit of a rebellion against management some weeks ago over being neglected. They have since reached an agreement and back to normal.
>Coni
Doing great, /corpo/ likes to shitpost about her preparing to leave because her PL is very active.
>Roca Poko
Doing awesome, their fanbases are the happiest ones atm
>Kai
The most active of the PLs now. Like actually streaming on it.
>Momo
Health hiatus, hasn't been much of a consistent streamer since her debut though.

If I have to take a wild guess the root of the problems is management always biting off more than they can chew in order to keep the hype up. This leads them to neglect of issues with current talents that could have been solved before they were made public.

It's a mixed bag, some of the girls are being unprofessional and committing yabs, others are going strong and growing.

>>66775776
Anon, “we don’t know, EN vtubing is new enough that new things happen” is a far less retarded reason than “it’s viewbots”. You legitimately sound like you own a bulletin board and a bunch of red string and thumbtacks.

>>66767577
I mean that's pretty accurate to the idol industry

>>66775627
I went there recently and christ is it a dumpster fire. Not even for the yab reasons, but for the overwhelming obsession with paypig drama and PL shit. It's like /shon/ but with erotic chuubas.

>>66775912
>the Yuko rrat
Wow. I am taking it with a pinch of salt, but from my recollection, Yuko is very different from what her pl used to do. Are these people just seething because Yuko is starting to admit she enjoyed the content she made as her pl way more?
Because so do I

>>66776287
Her PL content was shit

>>66771211
worse, dead subscribers actively fuck channels over now because the youtube alogrithm is geared towards promoting channels with higher engagement rates

>>66775021
oof
For comparison Pomu didn't get usable Home3D until AFTER her graduation announcement and it's scuffed as hell

>>66767935
Youtube shorts offer almost zero monetization and the audience that it brings don't watch streams or vods

Whenever I see these fights between Small corpos I can’t believe Wactor managed to get 4 of their girls to be over 100k, and two girls to be 4views but somewhat they fucked up and never got any recognition as a medium corpo just for being Spic based.

>>66776556
Pomu always had that home3D but she was forbidden from using it because she asked them to fix her model.

>>66776937
Which they never did

>>66775776
tell me about your dream anon, what did it tell you about the upcoming yabocalypse?

I'm not a phasefag but what they hell did they do right? What did all the other small corpos do wrong?

>>66777134
They didn’t overshare on a termination like Idol did.

>>66777134
They lucked out with Pippa who managed to successfully leech off bigger more talented vtubers like Henya and Filian.

>>66770454
Only the first 4 will survive.

>>66777221
Nijisanji will but do you really think NijiEN has a chance?

>>66777134
Ignored their first generation and neglected it

>>66777207
You're an retard, her incline happened a year before those collabs.

>>66774690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bD5jY58sYU

>>66777321
yeah she spammed shorts and leeched off other people too

>>66771012
for Niji as a whole, yeah.
But for NijiEN alone, the gap is much closer than it should be.
Especially with NijiEN potentially losing both of their biggest female talents this year while Phase is still slowly but surely growing their viewer base.

>>66777276
They will remain a dead branch on a living tree.

>>66767468
Nice bait, anon. They're just a small corpo that goes about their business. Other than one major, obvious exception they don't really have yabs or stir the pot in any way. Fuyo is still the most entertaining and cute chuuba in the world, fight me. If she was in hololive the general public would adore her, sadly no one knows she exists.

>>66777321
No she was still known for leeching off other fanbases. The only reason she even broke into 3view was because her fans got Kiwifarm streamers to notice her.

>>66767577
Retard, *one* manager and *one* talent fucked up, that doesn't mean everyone else is at fault. They got instantly, brutally executed and fired, what more do you want? Every corpo has yabs, all of hololive wasn't burned down for Aloe, Rushia, etc

>>66777545
>Fuyo is still the most entertaining and cute chuuba in the world
Wrong.

>>66769576
she looks like garbage now, the biggest model downgrade I've ever seen. Unwatchable. A beat up mutant toddler? No thanks.

>>66767468
The reason why you are seeing less of them here is because they've got rid of their 4chan paid shillers after they so basically no return on their investment from you faggots.
So they just gave up and moved on. Let the pedo jews go.

The girl that fucked her manager was kicked out because she put up a pro palestinian audio snippet. But for soem reason everytime it was mentioned a few people popup always dismissing it

>>66777689
Who's this cutie?

>>66777545
Based. I love this little idiot so much.

>>66776212
Unfortunately, boobros are the mst pathetic schizo faggots known to man especially since many of them are former chumkeks. They have been bitching and seething longer and worse than anyone during Riro's termination over 3 weeks with no streams. They have done this before and they will do this again. A few of the worst offenders, who are all active and known in /jidf/, have taken to doxxing her PL fans, sending death threats, posting legal documents about them, and sending DMs to every other chuuba Yuko knows including Chromu and Sleepy about her. They even found out some tiny twitter artist had a commission in the works from one of these groomers and have sent her threats as well. Everyone knows wo these few boobros are that ruined /jidf/ and are being the bitchiest little faggots. I fucking hate them.

>>66777750
>spoiler
haven't seen that mentioned everywhere , I need some proof on that one.

>>66767935
she stopped say it had its effect and then promptly filtered her viewers by shutting down the Bin joke and announcing all her rules were going to be enforced more strictly

>>66780678
Nothing they said is true. Plus, idol fans basically stay contained their general, I have only seen them in the catalog a few times and it has always been bait not shilling

>>66780852
That's a fucking lie, kek

>>66780678
i think it was one of her last few streams if I remember right, it was someone italian saying something along the line of "The gaza situation is a sad situation."

>>66780828
I remember that, on one hand she had a point since her chat was a cesspool, on the other hand it made her out to be a massive bitch

>>66771606
Me but unironically. I don't subscribe on Youtube or get memberhsips because I don't want my youtube handle to be known to anyone.

>>66779945
Turns out being a piss-drinking degenerate and pandering to the lowest common denominator doesn't attract the most well-behaved viewers

>>66777134
The CEO is literally just a lucky bastard who constantly falls upwards. During his first year the entirety of his gen 1 did a fucking mutiny Kawaii style. The autistic fuck just told them they were idiots and for some insane reason that cowed them into submission and avoided the implosion. Then he hired some managers to deal with their woman moments and everything somehow worked out.

Don't look at Phase for direction on how to run a corpo, it's literally just a comedy of errors that has somehow survived.

>>66779945
Wow das cwazy. If only I cared enough about an anti thread to bring light to all the details you're omitting.

>>66767468
>What happened?
Phasekeks have been busy with their entire talent registry getting hard-doxxed plus their new gen is keeping them occupied so they haven't been bored enough to post bait threads about Idol.

>>66777750
"people" unironically thinking that corpos pay people to post bait threads on chuubas on this board is always hilarious.
it's like you retards have sub 80IQ

>>66782292
you're so gullible

>>66767577
that's quite literally an idol thing lmfao, also hololive had the same thing with mel.
though in both holo's and idol's cases the sex is rrat, still fun to imagine though

>>66775428
Shame that they dont invest more money into her to have a nice front woman. I dont get why corpos get singers (that only sing, they are not self sufficient) and not invest in at least one cover a month

>>66776504
NTA but fuck off, her PL was so good that she was hard speculated as a possible HoloEN in 2022 on /vt/. It was completely different to what she does now.
Think /tactical/ but with wholesome GFE and a great singing voice

>>66782702
Lmao 1 faggot groomer spamming it in numbers doesn't mean shit.
Her old content was garbage and if she leaves idol she will fail.

>>66783144
Sure newfag, believe whatever you want.

>>66783454
He's right, that faggot was obsessive, and his spam isn't indicative of shit.

>>66777545
>they don't really have yabs
come on now

>>66782702
her PL content was not that great, it was literally just her playing the same games with same groomers.
her content as yuko was leagues more interesting, fun and creative, speaking as someone who actually watched Rye.

>>66782702
>great singing voice
...huh???

>>66767468
>guy who spends all his time watching holoslop and reading holodrone threads
>how come I don't see this corp talked about more often?
fucking retard

>>66767468
>the chuuba that has the same color palette as Shiori
This is why everyone dislikes Holofags.

>>66771080
>The subscriber count
the subscriber count is a fake number, it doesn't matter, it means nothing

>>66784361
Funny that she debuted before Shiori and also has more subs than Shiori but she isn't a Holo so people pretend to not know Rin

>>66771080
Yet all the phase talents average much higher CCV's than idols with more subs. Also Muyu is over 18k subs? more than Jelly does in your screenshot and in less time.

>>66767468
I see Rin Penrose all over Youtube, so they're doing something right.

>>66784159
Ok boobro, you can have your opinion I guess. But IMO her PL content is miles better. The milsim e girl angle was cute and she had some heartfelt karaoke streams. I'd go as far as to say she was one of the best indies on twitch.

Yuko on the other hand felt completely out of left field for her, and I ended up dropping after the ramped up coomer streams.

>>66775912
Fandits eating good desu. Poko seems happy and she streams a bunch.

>>66775912
honestly the management is probably the reason why idol isn't growing as much as the other corpos. sounds like the talent managers/managers in general have no clue what they're doing or have never worked with people before

>>66782702
>she was hard speculated as a possible HoloEN in 2022 on /vt/
that was 1 guy, from what I recall most people said she wouldn't fit in and I still agree with them

>>66784674
fair enough if you don't like coomer, but her creative streams, choice of games, and collabs while in idol were all more interesting to me than tarkov, tarkov, vrchat, and more tarkov (all with uninteresting faggots).
>she had some heartfelt karaoke streams
did the same in idol so irrelevant.

luckily for you though she'll be back to doing the same stuff she was before pretty soon so you can rejoice (although probably with less milsim, she seems genuinely sick of shoehorning herself into that niche).

>>66785145
She had entire threads about it, mostly because she sounded like gura. that's pretty hard to pull off as one person.

>>66785145
she herself said she wouldn't fit in, back in her old groomcord... even though she applied to it in the past but every chuuba in the world has
>>66785375
she sounds literally nothing like gura, I think holo ESLs think every fucking loli sounds like gura at this point.

>>66777134
-The girls, despite their menhera reputation, are all actually decently talented, dedicated, hardworking, and dare to experiment without relying on sex appeal. Some of them also have other useful skills to contribute behind the scene which helps drive down costs.
-The management is very permissive but good at tardwrangling. They are also all female, so a Riro situation is impossible.
-The CEO is an actual business autist with previous successes who knows his shits, loves vtubers but stays in his lane most of the time.

Other small corpos either lacks one of those things or is too new for us to know.

>>66782048
>The autistic fuck just told them they were idiots and for some insane reason that cowed them into submission and avoided the implosion.
My ceo

>>66777134
Magical scouting. Everything just worked. Also remember that every talent should be kissing Muumi's feet.

>>66787407
Or maybe a good contract that stops the girls from doing stupid things.

>>66771378
Nuh-uh, I also watch Lia, Panko, and Dizzy.

>>66787654
Clearly doesn't work with Pippa

idol for me is forever tainted after the Riro situation. not for what she did but for how they handled it.
2 of the 4 points were and still are being done by other girls. one was at best a joke, and at worst something that could of been handled with a suspension. the thing with the manager is most likely the reason for firing her but it was worded in the worst possible way in the notice, in the spirit of "transparency".
add to that the Spanish news thing about Gaza at the end of the nurse stream, and it seems like Riro just pissed off someone high up and was brought to the town square, striped naked and lit on fire.

>>66788576
It impresses me how there is always someone willing to go through contortions for girls like Riro.

>>66788869
girls like Riro is basically every streamer brought up in this thread. some just hide their woman moments better than others.

>>66788576
They immediately fired her and Tomer, what else could of they done?

>>66782048
He told them they were idiots sure, but he listened to their problems and made them feel like he cared and would address the issues so they felt like they weren't ignored.
He also made changes to how phase worked and let the talents have more freedom and got them a bitch that understood women to talk to because he knew he didn't.

>>66789875
>and got them a bitch that understood women to talk to because he knew he didn't.
He might actually be the smartest person in vtubing

>>66789804
not fire them? put them both on suspension and put out a notice saying what they did, and exactly what, not that bullshit vagueness that they normally use.
shit canning them and saying it was because of a "secretive relationship" had the whole vtubing world assume they were fucking, which logistically is super far-fetched.

>>66775758
ollie had a full collab with two kawaii talents and has called in to totsus before someone that watches mentioned that ollie might have something bigger in the works with them one of the Kawaii talents is also besties with elira I think they called into totsu together so that is a collab that may happen in the future for better or worse

>>66790616
You seem really really REALLY clueless on the whole situation >>43150875
>>24934858
>>43882955
Riro wasn't the first and she wasn't going to be the last

>>66775912 (me)
update on Juna, she is active on PL too

>>66791112
You didn't even know before know? she's been streaming, clean new model too, it's been in the works since early last year.

>>66786991
>The CEO is an actual business autist with previous successes who knows his shits
No he's not, he's a retard who almost drove the company into the ground multiple times in 2021.
It only started going uphill after he hired more managers.
Also I tried getting into phase multiple times, but I really don't see the appeal of most of their girls. Tenma and Lia are entertaining and do creative content, the rest are pretty bland though from what I saw. And I straight up don't like Pippa.

>>66786991
>stays in his lane most of the time
..a..are you kidding? fishman is so fucking annoying, he inserts himself into half their content and attention whores all the time.
and phase has an even bigger CEO circlejerking problem than holo with yagoo.

>>66793979
>>66794166
Idolkeks please

>>66775758
>>66777354

>>66767577
What did you expect from jews? kek

>>66794211
I don't even watch Idol either outside of Roca, I mainly stick to holo now that biboo exists.
Seems you got no retort though

>>66767935
Imagine having one million subs and 500 ccv it’s embarrassing

no one wants to give money to israhell

Here's an example of the 2 main audiences that make of up phasefans:
>>66794336
/pol/tards and kiwis screeching about jews and politics constantly
>>66794381
SEA number and drama niggers shitting up the catalog from BVTM's monkeycord

>>66767577
>manager having sex with the talents and the talents selling sex to their fans.
that's peak idol, touristchama.

>>66793979
>No he's not, he's a retard who almost drove the company into the ground multiple times in 2021.
>It only started going uphill after he hired more managers.
Didn't say he was a capable talent manager. "Business autist". See: warehouse obsession.

>>66794166
>inserts himself into half their content
The only possible way for you to see him make up half of the content is by selectively watch only whenever he's on one of the talents' stream. Sounds like you got captivated by the man and not the girls, anon.

>>66794523
>Noooooooo you can't point out Jews behaving stereotypically Jewish everywhere everytime in every domain in a thread about a Jew-run corpo... Politics! /pol/tards! Kiwis!

>>66795876
phasenigs are a fucking plague on this medium

>>66795314
i still think it'd make things 100 times better if he fucked off altogether instead of trying to make himself a centerpiece in the girl's content.
even if he doesn't show up himself, he gets mentioned constantly in almost every stream.

>>66777676
>Retard, *one* manager and *one* talent fucked up, that doesn't mean everyone else is at fault.

How do you know? How do you know there isn't more cases internally?

Can someone give me a QRD on the Yuko situation?

>>66767468
It turns out, whores ruin everything.

>>66796137
>trying to make himself a centerpiece in the girl's content
>if he doesn't show up himself, he gets mentioned constantly in almost every stream
Again, only possible if you deliberately, selectively watch for him when he appears or is mentioned. He's almost never the "centerpiece of the content". Sounds like a you problem to me. Consider taking your meds?

Lumi, Jelly, Dizzy, Airi, Shiina never shut the fuck up about Sakana. He may as well be a talent with how much some of the talent relies on him for content.
The 2 biggest streams girls like Jelly, Shiina, and Airi ever did were him on stream.

>>66796598
She's on a vacation with her family and the silence provides room for rrats.

>>66797331
ToT

>>66796598
>Goes on vacation
>Reactivates PL
>Follows her old groomers who hates and antis her and her current fanbase
>Current fanbase loses it
>Old Groomers taunts current fanbase by calling themselves OshiSlayers
>Yuko been death silent

>>66793979
Sister...

>>66767468
Rin is the only one that matters

>>66796498
No one here is omnipotent, but given they fired them for it when it wasn't public knowledge at the time, it makes more sense than you just assuming more of them are involved in the same stuff based on nothing.

>>66797007
maybe it's just a coincidence then that he's brought up in every phase stream I watch

>>66782048
>During his first year the entirety of his gen 1 did a fucking mutiny Kawaii style. The autistic fuck just told them they were idiots and for some insane reason that cowed them into submission and avoided the implosion

Holy based

>>66794523
so idol is jewish and phase is like anti-jewish?
whats phase and how do i become a fan?

why did pochi redesign?

>>66782702
>>66784674
I suppose no one remembers that she intended to go the camgirl route for a bit.

>>66801011
Well yea, her content was shit and she was never going to grow without going full whore.
And now she probably won't ever grow no matter what she does because people know how terrible of a person she is.

>>66801011
Anyone that haven't seen her face yet, is not missing out, it's best to stay in your fantasy land of anime girls.

>>66773570
kek

>>66801225
>>66801405
I am firm in my belief that we should ban pornography involving fleshies, but legalize whoring. This way, said whores are forced to endure being plapped by all the "sweaty parasocial fucks!" to get money off them.

>>66767468
I like the ghost, goblin and octopus ASMR streams

>>66768672
>the chuuba who got fired was an honorary ES
Imagine the yabs

>>66767468
>6-pointed star

ew.

>>66784674
It's interesting to see someone else turned off by her coomer streams. It definitely got weird, especially how she started asking members if and how they masturbate to her. Cancelled my membership soon after and got Rin's instead. No idea what's going on in the mind behind yuko

>>66804461
My man.

>>66804461
fucking BASED rincel

>>66790900
tinyhat response to this post?

>>66804461
I feel the same way. I feel like Yuko has a lot of dark shit in her life, she seems so desperate for validation and to make the fans like her that she'll do any weird degenerate shit they say just so they dont leave. Which ironically turns the sane boobros like you and me away, so she's left with an even more concentrated pool of disgusting psychos to cater to. It can't end well. She's such a sweetheart deep down i think, its too bad.

>>66777862
My schizo imouto wife

>>66771080
>Posts June numbers
Moshi moshi cherry-picker-san

>>66777676
When you find mold in a single slice of bread, do you keep the rest of the loaf?

>>66798394
>omnipotent
You mean "omniscient".

Roca is fantastic. That's about it.

>>66805767
To think there was a time I wanted to see what kind of children's book this sweet girl would come up with. Now i don't want whatever it ends up being close to any child at all, even if it actually ends up being wholesome. You just know she'll sneak some kind of degenerate shit in there just for her fans to point out like a crying emoji basedjack

>>66769272
Sounds like gura

it's all Coni's fault btw

>>66808687
nta but i do pick out a few furthest from the mold and make sure they don't have any signs of mold themselves. Then i eat them immediately and hope i don't get sick from it. I usually don't but then again i hardly let the loaf get moldy in the first place. Can't let it ALL go to waste

>>66773129
Why do girls do this shit?

>>66809985
the mold exists long before it's visible. but it won't hurt you, so eat whatever you want.

>>66767468
Nothing happened. A few livers decided to stop streaming for a while because of burnout. A nothingburger basically.

>>66781376
She let them have it for like a year before this and by then it had mostly died down. But yea fuck that bitch for just saying she'd be enforcing the rules on her own channel, right?

>>66771080
The sub counts are so low that any noise would disrupt cross-gen analytics.

>>66769829
Didn’t phase new gen fall off with viewers while the new and old Niji’s are still going strong?

>>66771080
So phase bots view’s basically.

>>66776552
Yeah, Youtube noticed all the dead old guard channels that were getting promoted weren't up to snuff. Unless they've kept up their content a lot of channels across the spectrum began to suffer hard circa 2019. Subs are a dead metric for Youtube's promotion algorithm.

>>66777134
Spamming ads and riding off Pippa’s popularity that’s pretty much it.

>>66807921
"About a month after her debut". He explicitly said he was pulling June's numbers to compare to Gen 3.

>>66767468
This
>>66767577
And young people don't want to support Israel right now and are actively boycotting Israeli companies including these guys.

>>66767468
Fuck, you just reminded me that I liked a bunch of Riro's silly covers like the Russian hardbass, and now its gone.

>>66776552
Man, I'm subbed to like 500 channels but I barely watch most of them anymore. Is there a quick way to filter for that or do I actually, unironically have to manually do each one?

>>66811301
You have it backwards.
Phase girls being able to grow and work with people IN SPITE of Pippa smearing her shit on the companies name is impressive.

>>66777134
The girls are unironically likeable, for the most part. They each have a unique charm that keeps you wanting to come back to watch them, and they keep things fresh enough to do it. It isn't Minecraft stream number 3924837 for the 50th day in a row (for most of them). It's more of a variety show, with each girl having their own unique spin on things. I actually had fun watching each of them play the same damn game (Class of '09) because it was fun to see each of their individual reactions. I come for the girls, not what they do.

>>66775912
>>Kai
>The most active of the PLs now. Like actually streaming on it.
>only streamed once

>>66814278
>It isn't Minecraft stream number 3924837 for the 50th day in a row
you picked a bad time to say this because Jelly, Eimi, Muyu, Airi etc are all revealing themselves to be basic bitch Minecraft streamers

>>66807921
>>66771080
When did Jelly change her channel name? I only noticed it today.

>>66770454
What about Vreverie?

>>66816926
Vreverie are dysfunctional.

could've been somebody, but they fucked it all up.
Multiple hololive and niji collabs and nothing really to show for it because the girl who got most of them is boring and now literally whoring herself on her PL (Ophie)
2 of their 3 most promising talents are gone.

Nova is left carrying the bag

>>66767935
Tik tok and short clips watchers don't have the attention span to watch stream.

>>66767995
I got the joke don't worry anon.

>>66817410
>Vreverie are dysfunctional.
That can be said about all corpos except Hololive.

>>66821818
HoloLive has had more graduations than Phase

>>66797680
Isn't Yuko the one with arms as thick as my calves? Why are people simping for her?

>>66797680
I see nothing on her PL twitter except for one follow

>>66823020
thats the other blue one

Give me idolES
I need my replacement for Riro

>>66824389
Doesn't Riro stream on her PL?

>>66830277
She did two small streams for Christmas and New Year's. She's in the middle of preparing for her indie redebut. She posts little updates in her discord server. I think she'll be back sometime next month or March.

>>66814386
Yeah, all of Kai's PL accounts have been silent.

>>66770454
>Idol
All that effort putting them in the spotlight but they never did anything with it. It doesn't feel like they have anything big lined up either. Rather than looking to hire a bunch of Mexican talents they should have arranged an event to cement Idol as, I don't know, an Idol company?
>Kawaii
Maybe I just miss it but I don't ever see them break out of their own circle, no collabs or friendship bonding. Even without a whole gen leaving Nene having such a disparagingly large number of subs next to her peers is off-putting, the power balance in the community felt too tilted and it doesn't help that Nene's personality outside of ASMR is flippant and her community are a bunch of aggravating faggots, they definitely need reigning in.
>Eien
Riffu needs to be hard-banned by the company/community, the most alienating shit for me is seeing her paraded literally everywhere by the fanbase when she left the company as gracefully as a kidney stone. Gen 2 needs more ads.
>Any vtuber company starting their name with V
Murders your marketing, I can't tell your shit apart, have a name that carries some weight.

How about some of the small corpos like V&U and Pixel?

Poko will save the company.

>>66767468
Everyone clapped

I love PIppa.

>>66833699
Isn't V&U Korean?
Pixel is still too new really. No news is probably good news though for a vtuber start-up. Hope they get some steam.

>>66811560
it's about to be a month and Muyu and Runie already passed the Jelly in the screenshots, idk what kind of schizophrenic episode (You) and >>66771080 are hacing fags.

>>66775912
>coni
can I get the name? I like her she is funni and cute

>>66834777
Bro your Cyberlive reps?

>>66767935
The shorts audience brought the worst kind of ADHD riddled zoomers to her streams and it got bad to the point where she had to do an emergency tardwrangling stream.

>>66797680
>Old groomers taunting
I don't know why either side of the fanbase is asserting superiority when it seems like they both got fucked over, the old groomers were just abandoned first. How is there any trust when she was willing to bail on them the first time? Unless they're fired content creators get exactly one chance to start over otherwise they just come across as ungrateful cunts, a waste of time to invest in.

>>66834160
She is amazing!

>>66834892
oohma bruh i know she was theere i got her PL/RM design saved somewhere I just forgot the name, I honeslty thought Idol would be alright so I didn't bother remembering kek.

>>66804461
never membered her but when I watched her last year I thought she was getting a bit too degen for my liking so you're not alone on that front.

>>66777354
this stream had like 50ccv btw lmao

>>66777221
Prism is one of the vtuber agencies owned by Sony.

>>66839007
And yet Sony couldn't even commission 3D models for PRISM and VEE members despite how big they are.