/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Advent is the unicorn gen

>>66684065
Stop watching the JP branch, management is trying to change the culture after the EN homos failed.

>>66684065
>i will never believe vt word again
Nor should you.
Nothing written here is ever true.

>>66684065
>i will never believe vt word again
bri you can't even read or write english stfu

>>66684065
>vt told you Hololive is an NTR company
>you start watching another holo
>you're shocked when this one does homo collabs as well
You only have yourself to blame

>>66684065
What JPs are even left at this point that have never collabed with homos? Can't be more than 10.

>>66684441
it should be 0
fuck unicornbabbies

>>66684441
Miko
Haachama
Aqua
Shion
Ayame
Subaru
Okayu
Mio
Korone
Marine
Pekora
Flare
Noel
Kanata
Luna
Watame
Nene
Lamy
Koyori
Chloe
Iroha
Lui
Kanade
Raden
Hajime

That's 25 out of 40 holos who have never interacted with homos

>>66685431
>Miko
>Subaru
>Pekora

>>66685431
>half of JP are fag enablers
fucking grim

>>66685431
hate to break it to ya, but half this list has collabed with NIJI males.
Unicucks need the rope.

Who cares. Get a job

>>66684065
you're behind the times remembering her from like 2-3 months ago when she was very-well liked here, and also somehow fucking never noticed she then became controversial and had several long-ass threads getting to bump limit talking about how she had fallen to homos, somehow you just missed all of that

and then blame us for your lacking of paying even the most basic of attention? get lost faggot.

TOTAL EN VICTORY

>>66684065
>OP told me her mom is not a bitch
>Start watching her (even to the whorehouse)
>Non-stop sucking dicks 24/7
I will never believe OP's word again

>>66686341
Ancient history. What matters is where they're at today and that they don't collab with homos.

>>66689391
You don't get to change history just because you're a newfag

>>66684065
Based, (You) deserve it for being a schizo who thinks concepts like "unicorn friendly" are worth anything. TUD

>>66690359
did you even read the post you were replying to or are you just slamming your fists on the keyboard in a blind rage

>>66690359
And beggars don't get to astroturf the past.

>>66690741
No, you retard, I'm rejecting you moving the goalpost. You unicorn losers have always been operating from a place of ignorance.

>>66691082
Sorry buzzword-kun, you don't get to call us OG fans beggars when we remember how kino the OG days were. We're not the ones who wished for those collabs, those were purely talent led. Enjoy fighting your boogeyman though.

Also EN was a mistake and you deserve anything bad that comes your way.

>>66691107
they became popular when they stopped interacting with niji homos, and now they don’t do it any more because the fans don’t like it. they won’t collab with your boiz. sorry that bothers you so much sister.

>>66691255
No, retard, they became popular because vtubing as a whole hit more mainstream popularity.
Once again >>66690359

>>66691305
Hololive hit mainstream popularity because they got a clue and stopped doing male collabs. Sadly the JP branch is kind of forgetting this lesson.

Every time I feel sad about my life, I come onto /vt/ and see people with absolutely crippling self-inflicted issues that I'm barely even able to begin to understand. And as I watch them scream at the world about entirely imaginary problems, I realize that I've actually got it pretty good.

>>66684065
>i will never believe vt word again
At least you learned your lesson. Even if you're an idiot that needed remedial lessons. I hope in the future you can be less of a dumb fuck.

>>66691562
It's pretty rude to treat watching mentally ill unicorns sperg out like you're going to a zoo. Mental illness is a very real, and very sad thing, anon.

>>66684065
looks like you completely forgot about the GTA drama or you really suck at gathering info

>>66691562
It's a pretty good method to stop depression.
You think you've got it rough, until you realize it can always be worse.

>>66691241
Nothing Kino about male collabs sister, fuck off

>>66693810
Just say you're a newfag, it's quicker that way

>>66694193
Imagine larping this hard, why is vt’s validation so important to you homobeggar?

>>66694380
>Imagine larping this hard
Says the unicorn
>homobeggar
The only one begging for anything here is you begging your "oshi" (who you would drop at the slightest hint of a male's presence) not to cuck you.
I'm here to support my oshi regardless of what content she creates. Something you fags could never do.

>>66694487
>I'm here to support my oshi
nice try sister

>>66694603
Ah, my bad, I forgot you losers don't know what it means to have one of those
Sorry, shouldn't use terms you don't understand

>>66691404
Did you put your brain in the garbage bin or something newfag?

No one here had enough time to truly fall for Ririka before she started doing this stuff, which is really lucky. She was on fast track to becoming my oshi too, but you cannot truly decide on an oshi after a month. Still feeling burnt, but it's not armageddon.

>>66689391
nah, sorry newfag cope you either go full unicorn or full cuck

>>66684065
you can only watch holos that Jap Man manages
he's the only suit in that entire company that follows CGDCT principles

>>66684065
Must've been prime time in Manila and Jakarta when this was posted.

>>66695307
literally NONE Of this shit counts
it's like getting mad your wife had a "boyfriend" in grade 5

>>66685431
Eat shit newfag this was about a good months ago too

>>66695394
None of your stupid Unicorn metrics count then, the irony is you say this shit because "Oh w-well they stopped doing that" well then literally any girl can do the same, how long until you retards stop trying to make anti Ririka, Mori, Kronii etc. threads a month, year, 2 name the time period they have to go without males.

The fact of the mater is your unicorn conviction is weak and wet paper level at best, I can understand propping up some of the girls like Kiara, Gura and FWMC but when your newfag weeb ass says shit like Miko, Mio and Subaru i'm am absolutely going to destroy you.

get the fuck outta here with that shit you're never a unicorn , you're just as much a cuck as the lads oshing the new girls.

>>66695394
This is cope. Just admit you were wrong faggot. No amount of excuses will change the fact they collabed with males whether it's another male vtuber or e celeb both have a penis and balls between their legs. Let me know when they don't.

>>66695394
Here we see the unicorn, when they're backed into a corner they perform various defensive mechanisms to keep them from entering reality itself. One such defensive mechanism is the memory hole tactic. Very effective!

>>66695503
You know.. you're very passionate. Respect.

>>66684065
no one in /vt/ watches regloss anon. there isn't even a general here for them

>>66684129
For how long?

>>66685431
>subaru

lmaoooooo her very first collab was with a male dude from nijisanji, not even one of her genmates.

It's always during these morning hours that the schizos and falseflaggers are at their worst.

>>66696054
Is prime time in Manila and Jakarta looks like that's unicorn capitol.

>>66684065
>vt told me
kek

There's so many tranigger homobeggars in this thread it's vomit inducing, could've just typed "regloss is normalfag/slut only" and be on your merry way

>>66694667
Tell 'em, sister

>>66696722
Dude you was proven wrong and btfo already just accept defeat and move on.

>>66696438
There's so many gigacuck unifags in this thread it's vomit inducing, could've just typed "my heterosexuality is so fragile that I have to project my insecurities onto virtual women" and be on your merry way

>>66696438
I don't see anybody begging for homo collabs here I swear you fag call anything you don't like a homobeggar, why every fucking buzzword on this shithole ends up meaning anything anymore. But speaking of begging I see you and countless others begging a cartoon girl go not "cuck" you with other cartoon boys, because the thought of coworkers doing their job and playing games threatened your non-existing imaginary masculinity.

>>66696885
I don't see how witnessing a woman flirting with another man right in front of you when she's supposed to be your talking parrot and entertainer isn't disrespectful to you, must be the fact that you are a fatherless mongrel cuckold that got to witness your mommy getting her back blown out by several of her bfs when you were a child and you think that's normal.

>>66697264
>when she's supposed to be your talking parrot and entertainer
Because she's none of those things, you brain broken retard, at least not to you. Unicorns can only see chuubas as sex objects, and in reality the only one with cock constantly on their mind is you. Unlike you I actually CAN recognize that my oshi is an entertainer, and since I actually DO like her content and want to support her no matter what, that means I'll watch her regardless of the gender of her collab partner, the shitty games she plays, and whatever other content she might make. The only one getting cucked out of content is you retards when you drop your Oshi Of The Week after she even dared to like the tweet of their male coworker.
>isn't disrespectful to you
And there it is. Why are you so afraid of cocks, unifag? You seem to think about them quite often. The mere presence of a male on stream is "flirting" to you, there's no such thing having a normal collab in your world.

>must be the fact that you are a fatherless mongrel cuckold that got to witness your mommy getting her back blown out by several of her bfs when you were a child and you think that's normal
You know projection like this is a type of coping mechanism, right anon? It's nice you're in your safe space and feel comfortable sharing, but /vt/ isn't your therapist. Keep your delusions to yourself.

>>66695979
Two more weeks, at least.

>>66684065
>vt told me
could've stopped right there

>>66697622
They're mentally ill all you can do is point at them and laugh anon.

>>66684065
It's a recent development.

>>66696745
Louder, sister. No one can hear you from here.

>>66698177
>defeated
I accept your concession retarded.

>>66697622
>my oshi is an entertainer
>I want to support her no matter what
That's not how entertainers work.
>I actually DO like her content
>I'll watch her regardless of the gender of her collab partner, the shitty games she plays, and whatever other content she might make
Doesn't sound like you like her content much.

>>66697622
>sex objects
>mfw the alphabet squad always projects their sex obsession because they got raped when they were children
>keep supporting cuckie!
>you don't want to see feces? you must be scatophobic bigot!
Dilate some more fatherless queer tranigger you are transparent in your dysfunctions no sane man wants to see another man flirting with a woman, 1000x worse if its a woman he's gotten to know over time.
No need to samefag and agree with yourself either, you sad dysgenic subhuman, nobody agrees with your shit, these bitches get dropped like a bad habit for their arrogance and for disrespecting their audience

>>66698370
Yes and?
Tell me, sister. What is it that you actually won?

/vt/ stop thinking about penis for 5 minutes challenge: level IMPOSSIBLE

>>66685431
>Haachama
I think she have collab with male around 5 years ago.

>>66698487
Your eternal seethe faggot.

she would be much more popular if she didnt homocollab but shes probably like matsuri without being too sexual. anyway unicorn types shouldnt watch her.

It's unironically okay when a JP does it. Idols interacting with men for a reason or another is normal. You can tell Ao for example constantly likes making sexual teases to her genmates but lays it off when males are around. this is because idols are inherently expected to not engage in relationships with males while EN whores are expected to jump ship the second they find an attractive cock.

>>66698508
I'm seething? I didn't know about that.

>>66695503
>>66695525
>>66695534
Holy seethe. Why are anti-corns like this? You're desperately projecting some kind of equivalent of a 'one-drop' rule on unicorns when they've never once claimed a standard like that. If they've stopped doing male collabs for literally 3, 4, even 5 years then you constantly bringing those ancient collabs up demonstrated mental illness and obsession on your part, not the unicorns.

>>66698370
Congrats, sister. You won. Your grammar is a bit wrong, though.

>>66698479
>That's not how entertainers work.
What are you even trying to say here? Her job is to entertain her audience. I am always entertained by her almost daily streams. The "no matter what" is in reference to the things you retards consider "negatives", moron. Time to work on your reading comprehension reps.
>Doesn't sound like you like her content much.
Way to twist my words, retard. I've been supporting my oshi and hololive longer than you've known what a vtuber is. She has collabed with males: a non-issue. She plays kusoge: objectively shitty games.

It's sad you have no one you can say you'd support through hell or high water, but that's just how flimsy unicorn convictions are.

>>66698703
They got mindbroken by horns, that's it

>>66698812
>a-actually I just mean things you consider negatives, I know that supporting someone unconditionally doesn't make any sense in the context of them just being an entertainer I swear I'm not a retard!!!
Embarrassing. Covering it up with swearing to hide it doesn't work btw.

>>66698483
>BUZZWORDS BUZZWORDS BUZZWORDS BUZZWORDS
Use a few more, I don't think you've exhausted the unifag arsenal yet.

>flirting
And there it is again. Once again, two corpo vtubers collabing is not flirting. The only person who thinks this is you retards. Maybe stop watching twitch whores.

>No need to samefag and agree with yourself either
*The unifag hurts itself in confusion*
I realize it's hard for you to understand just quite why people hate you whiners so much, but they do. I don't need to take screenshots of this thread to prove you wrong.

>>66684065
Have you been living under a rock? She dunked on trannycorns so bad that they've been seething to this day.

>>66698962
>I know that supporting someone unconditionally doesn't make any sense in the context of them just being an entertainer I swear I'm not a retard!!!
Wow, so you really are just retarded kek. Would you rather we call them an idol? A comedian? I'll let you pick. Their title is irrelevant to the fact that my oshi could royally fuck up and I'd still never stop my membership to her. Something you losers wouldn't even dream of doing the moment a MALE dare enter your view.

Embarrassing.

>>66699002
>Once again, two corpo vtubers collabing is not flirting
I'm sorry you're autistic and fail to understand social cues, but there's plenty of examples of flirting in those collabs.

>>66698812
>The "no matter what" is in reference to the things you retards consider "negatives", moron.
So your "your no matter what" was in reference to a thing you don't care about. That's not much of a "no matter what." Why say it in that way then? I naturally assumed that you would continue watching "no matter what" even if she did something that would piss you personally off. Which is not how "entertainers" work.
>I've been supporting my oshi and hololive longer than you've known what a vtuber is.
Good to know that we have real Sora fans around here. Are you one of the knights too by any chance?
>It's sad you have no one you can say you'd support through hell or high water
I can very much say that, since I supported my oshi through a lot of shit already. It's because I am a parasocial retard, and I love her, and I'm not ashamed to say that (much).
>but that's just how flimsy unicorn convictions are.
You are talking about "convictions" and "loyalty" towards "entertainers" again.

>>66699136
Point those examples out please I'm sure you have timestamps for all of this right?

>>66699136
>but there's plenty of examples of flirting in those collabs
I'm sure there's thousands. You unicorns never fail to create made up situations in your mind after all.

>>66698703
>retards act like retards
>surprised when treated like the retards they are
>Le poor unicorn will somebody save them please!
KWAB NGMI.

I swear the matter gets flip flopped all the fucking time.
>Male collabs are le bad
>Oh but we're willing to forgive if she doesn't lecture or turn on her audience (Mumei vs Kronii for example)
>Ririka has yet to lecture, or turn on her audience (Like Mumei)
>Unicorns still hate her anyway
So did the unicorn rules change to ignore the second point, and thus the third point entirely? Or what?

>>66699166
Are you ESL??? I do not understand how you fail to grasp something as easy as: person who provides entertainment = entertainer. It's literally the definition of the word. Your level of parasocial attachment means nothing here. The only question you need to answer for yourself is: would you cry on /vt/ like the rest of the unicorns in this thread if you oshi decided she wanted to collab with a male. No? Great, you're not mentally ill. Yes? Find the nearest bridge.

>>66699344
Or the nearest tree and rope since most of these faggots suffers from agoraphobia they won't make the walk towards the bridge.

>>66699304
She literally said that unicorns will come back anyway after her asmr so she can do whatever she wants but seems like it didn't do as expected since she is already the runt of the gen

>>66699344
I fail to grasp why you think that anyone should have any convictions (which you mentioned twice) towards a fucking entertainer. Please stop dodging and answer the question.

>>66699344
You should be more worried about the women who won't watch holostars unless they have female accessories present. It seems like the actual entertainment is entirely irrelevant for these people and it all comes down to whether the male streamer already has a large following or women fawning over him.

>>66699304
>>66699446
Also JP unicorns are not as cucked as EN ones so they won't forgive you unless you apologize/say you don't want to collab with males anymore like Miko

>>66699304
Ririka said the unicorns could trust her. She used to be a Fandead, just like Kanata. She knew exactly what that word meant, and it never had any subjective qualifiers to it. She told unicorns in a mengen prior to the VCR thing that they could trust her. She lied straight to her fans faces about how much she cared about them.

/vt/ always makes wild declarations within the first month without letting a chuuba settle in and show what they are about.

Any rrat that is made in that period is declared to be an absolute truth regardless what happens after the fact. The only way this changes is if a juicier rrat or yab occurs or the rrat starves to death(rare because the rrat will cling to any little crumb for life).

/vt/ is a fucking dumb as brick but also cute little gossipy girl. If /vt/ wasn't so cute no one would put up with them but they are just so dumb and cute that we put up with it.

>>66699446
>>66699533
Maybe I just don't keep up with this shit enough but I've yet to see the lie? She did her asmr as promised, but maybe it's because of the Jap influence like >>66699492 said in which they don't forgive until she outright says she'll stop.

>>66685431
Half of this list has collabed with males. Which means only a quarter of all of holojp are unicorn friendly.

There is no shelter for the unicorn. Doomed to wander the wastelands in the shadow of Babylon.

>>66699492
Dude jp unicorns can't even speak what's on their mind because cover will rain the wrath of God on them via defamation lawsuits. Those male e celebs they've been collabing with poses a big threat than any of the big who homos the girls have as coworker. Never underestimate a woman let me clarify a Japanese woman obsession with clout and fame.

Real life idols collab with males = This is ok for JP unicorns
Real life idols go on one of the biggest Idol TV shows that is hoested by 2 males = This is ok for JP unicorns
A bunch of talentless EN girls like a comment from one male from the same corpo = RIOT!

You people are completely braindead. You took the definition of a unicorn and put it on steroids. It doesn't even mean what it used to mean before.

>>66689391
Never means never. Simple as. Fauna has never collabed with males for instance. No ifs buts or maybes.

>>66699304
My nigga what Ririka did was worse. She had an entire mem stream dedicated to telling unicorns she understood them, understood they don't like male collabs and reassured them that she wouldn't do them or stuff that would make them sad. Then she starts doing male collabs while insulting the audience she reassured. She's getting a lot of heat because of that mengen since it's a betrayal of her own words.

>>66684065
People have been saying since the start that Kekgloss is Holosanji.

>>66699614
>while insulting the audience she reassured
At what point did this happen in your timeline because she said she'd do her asmr, and she did it just fine.

>>66699595
My nigga
>Professional collabs are okay
>Unprofessional collabs are not okay
Now go and beg somewhere else, and yes off-collabs with Holostars or hell just regular game streams that weren't set up by management and directly set up by the talents are unprofessional collabs.

She said it herself, she can just heal unicorns horns with some ASMR. Holobronies are a disgrace, they take all the abuse and just stick with them. They are basically Apple users.

>>66699690
Not many people seem to be sticking with Ririka roru

>>66699672
The insult was her reassuring the audience that she'd be unicorn friendly in mengen, for more than an hour actually, and then proceed to instantly become a homo accessory.

>>66684065
YOU WILL WATCH HER PLAY WITH COCKS AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT

>>66699472
Because I like her content, and think that people like you are morons for dropping someone like that for a reason (male collabs) this retarded. Do you get the picture now, anon? I don't know who my oshi "really" is. She doesn't know who I am. So if you're trying to twist my words into implying that "conviction" means I'd lay my life down for my oshi then you're trying to argue in bad faith. These "convictions" are the convictions of being a well adjusted adult who isn't bothered by petty shit like this and knows he likes his oshi and all of the content she creates.
There, did I dumb it down enough for you? I realize horses aren't very smart, and I should speak slower. That's on me.

>>66699480
>You should be more worried about the women who won't watch holostars unless they have female accessories present.
Why would I worry about something like that. I don't watch HOLOSTARS. Yeah, I agree, those "fans" sound like shit, but they don't impact my oshi in anyway so I wish them the best of luck figuring that one out on their own.

>>66699726
>the audience that she'd be unicorn friendly in mengen
Wasn't her words something like "I'll collab with males but I'll always come back to you, like a girl that talks to other guys but only you matter" or some shit? I don't see where she lied about that. I don't have the exact quote on hand but I swear I remember reading about that shit multiple times during the various bait threads that day.

>>66699480
Women don't watch Tempus because most of them have their foot out the door, like Vesper and Magni. Do your reps anon it really will not hurt you

>>66699727
H-hot

>>66699681
>he considers e celebs collabs professional when these guys poses a bigger threat than the actual girls coworkers lol.
Who's going to tell him

>>66699810
Nope, that's the drunk mengen This mengen I'm talking about happened about a month before the entire GTA VCR shit was mentioned by her.

>>66684065
All JP live in the same city, anon - you never know what even the unicorn friendly chuubas doing behind the scenes.

>>66699681
>off collabs with holostars
has this ever happened? starsen has only ever off collabed with itself

>>66699880
OK I'm the one with the fucked timeline, when was the drunk mengen? A week before?

>>66699851
Um....my nigga reading reps. When did I say male e-celeb collabs are fine? Where in my posts did it say "male e-celeb collabs are fine"?

>>66699915
A week before she actually did the GTA VCR, this mengen I'm talking about happened the month before that drunk stream also it wasn't a drunk mengen it was just a drunk stream.

>>66699810
>"I'll collab with males but I'll always come back to you, like a girl that talks to other guys but only you matter"
That sounds like the worst possible thing she could have said if her intent was to diffuse this situation

>>66699915
>>66699957(me)
If you want the exact date the actual mengen happened where she reassured the unicorns then it would be the mengen that happened on the 24th of November. I kid you not, she was talking about how she'd never NTR her unicorns and talking about how she knew that male collabs where like NTR to them ain't even a joke, she mentioned NR and Unicorns directly

>>66699957
She really fooled me with that one, fucking sucks. At least she didn't take long to betray that trust, makes it easier to move on.

>>66699681
>>Unprofessional collabs are not okay
>regular game streams that weren't set up by management and directly set up by the talents are unprofessional collabs
So, literally all collabs then, including professional collabs. Got it.
This is why we call you unicorns retarded, literally contradicted yourself in the same reply. It doesn't matter if you don't consider them "professional", but a theoretical collab between a HOLOSTAR and a hololive talent will forever be a professional event. Both parties are paid for their time and are professionals in their industry (corporate vtubing).

>>66700221
As a curiosity, which vtubing talents have you monetarily supported over the last year and for how much?

>>66700221
>but a theoretical collab between a HOLOSTAR and a hololive talent will forever be a professional event
Stop being a faggot my nigga, Kyo off-collabing and probably fucking Enna wasn't a professional collab, as an example of an unprofessional vtuber collab between genders. However I will give you that a professional collab between a holostar and a hololive would be if management set up a concert or a booth and there are both holos and homos participating.
>Both parties are paid for their time and are professionals in their industry
Oh so you're retarded. An idol going to a male idols house on her own to make food while she livestreams it isn't a professional collab despite two of them being in the same industry and being professionals.

>>66700309
And who knows how much in superchats. I only do small ones. So maybe like ~$600 total across everyone in 2023 in superchats, then you can do the math yourself for the membership fees.

I showed you mine, now you show me yours, unifag.

>>66699548
/vt/ is not cute in the slightest

>>66700359
A professional collab set up by management exists. It's called Holozontal.

>>66699785
>and think that people like you are morons for dropping someone like that for a reason (male collabs) this retarded
I even avatarfagged with my oshi for your convenience. She had to do a couple company mandated male collabs because Nijisanji is just like that, you know.
Dropping someone over a one-off really is petty. That's not the case you are defending though. Sorry but I just don't see what's so good about casual male collabs that makes them worth pissing off even a minuscule numbers of fans. "Should I do these collabs that are in no way better than my regular content and will cause controversy because I just NEED to talk to da bois on stream?" What kind of thinking leads to answering "yes" to this question?
>So if you're trying to twist my words into implying that "conviction" means I'd lay my life down for my oshi then you're trying to argue in bad faith
No, I'm trying to twist your words into implying that any kind of "conviction" to an internet personality comes from parasocial interaction rather than "entertainment." Parasocial interaction requires some boundaries and mutual respect. It's the most natural quality of the whole thing. Trying hard to deny this is more delusional than being a e-girl obsessed retard in the first place.
And yeah, "well adjusted adults" don't anonymously argue about the morally correct ways to follow anime girl streamers online for hours on end.

>>66684065

>>66700359
>offcollab
>offcollab
>NIJISANJI
>offcollab
Holy retard.
1) Who the fuck is talking about NIJISANJI here in a holo thread? No one? Just you? Weird, huh.
2) What the actual fuck are you talking about with this off-collab nonsense. We're talking about LIVESTREAMS you autist.
Is your mind so drowned in cocks that you see me replying to your "hell just regular game streams" comment and immediately make up scenarios in your head?

Regardless of your mental handicap, if I don't know, pick anyone...say Roberu and Pekora, wanted to play Splatoon together on stream, this is a professional collab. Full stop. The fact that you seem to think that the talents can't make decisions of their own free will really shows how far gone you truly are.

>>66700712
>wanted to play Splatoon together on stream, this is a professional collab
No it isn't, this is an unprofessional collab unless it was set up by managers.
>The fact that you seem to think that the talents can't make decisions of their own free will really shows how far gone you truly are.
When did I say they can't make their own decisions? They certainly can and if they want to collab with the homos then that's fine, it's just that if it's not a professional collab that was set up by managers then unicorns will leave. Simple as.

Ok, but isn't Ririka's English kinda cute?

>>66700866
Collabs between the Hololive and Holostar branches are already set up by management, retard

>>66700866
>No it isn't, this is an unprofessional collab unless it was set up by managers
Thank you for admitting you're permanently brain broken. I hope you get the help you desperately need one day.
>it's just that if it's not a professional collab that was set up by managers then unicorns will leave. Simple as.
It is a professional collab, always. These are professionals, collaborating. The word you can't seem to pull out of your tiny brain is "OFFICIAL" collab. And even then, you have no argument.

>>66700945
>Collabs between the Hololive and Holostar branches are already set up by management
Not all my friend, Mori was the one who set up the collabs between her, Kronii and the 2 EN homos that left as an example. Another example was the Barbie watchalong with Bettel, Bae and Shinri recently, that wasn't set up by management.

>>66684192
This is a ReGLOSS issue. My oshi is still clean.

>>66701010
>It is a professional collab, always
Nope, professionals can have unprofessional collabs anon. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

>>66685730
Before Advent 4/10 of HoloEN were homocollabers, plus Ina who had a song cover with them

>>66684065
Why do you make up stories like this? Just say what you mean.

>>66701068
>Nope, professionals can have unprofessional collabs anon
Sure, of course they can. But any time you see a HOLOSTAR or hololive member turn on OBS and go live, they're doing so in a professional capacity. Because this is what they do as a career. As professionals. Who get paid money. To stream. You do know what a career is, right anon? Surely you have one as well...unless?
>I don't know why
I know you don't, and if I had to guess, I'd say the cause is the same thing that broke your brain so hard and turned you into a unicorn. That said, I'm not a retard whisperer, so you freaks are quite a mystery to me.

>>66684065
Man everyone is tribal fagging while I'm here wishing I could lick ririka sweet tasting pussy.

>>66701093
>plus Ina who had a song cover with them
Wow, a song cover. That's really hardcore, damn...

>>66695979
Til people look into PLs and ruin their immersion, like any vtuber.

>>66701408
What part of NO MALES do (You) ""people"" not understand?

>>66695503
kek reminds me of some poorfag unicorn throws an akasupa at FWMC saying they're only reading the same 8 people's messages. Those 8 are the top paying ones you fucking knuckle dragger, if you paid more they'll read your dumb shit. Probably the funniest shit all Jan. Maybe Gura will show up again so I can watch the melee between Chumbuds, Pebbles and Ruffians.

>>66700643
>Sorry but I just don't see what's so good about casual male collabs that makes them worth pissing off even a minuscule numbers of fans.
Of course you don't, because you don't care about the streamer having autonomy in their streams. Don't like the content? Don't watch, simple as. No one would care about unicorns if they would just shut the fuck up and stop watching. Instead they endlessly seethe the second they feel "betrayed."
>No, I'm trying to twist your words into implying that any kind of "conviction" to an internet personality comes from parasocial interaction rather than "entertainment."
I never claimed to not be parasocial. It should be quite obvious from my replies and arguments that I am. That being said, nothing about that changes the fact that these people are still entertainers. I have no idea why you're so autistically attached to fighting against this specific word.
>And yeah, "well adjusted adults" don't anonymously argue about the morally correct ways to follow anime girl streamers online for hours on end.
I'm an NA fan who follows JP holos, it's not like I'm going outside at 4AM to do real life stuff. It takes all of 5 minutes to write a reply then go back to stream watching. You're not that important anon.

>>66701462
Hardly. Even if i know what a character's voice actor looks like or even if they have absolutely shit takes, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the characters they portray(especially since they can't do questionable shit while playing the character or else they lose work)

>>66699492
>greynigger
Every time

>>66699304
>didn't lecture
She did worse, actually (explicitly denigrating them). Mumei was a one off and Kronii will probably never homo collab again because she only cared about Vesper. Ririka belongs to the streets.

>Walls of text of beggar seethe
Delicious

>>66684065
Maybe keep up-to-date, retard. She stopped that a while ago when she went on the VCR GTA server and has been collabing with men again afterwards.

>>66701646
>because you don't care about the streamer having autonomy in their streams
My oshi became an indie and stopped doing company mandated male collabs ever since. I enjoy her autonomy very much.
Why should I care about "entertainers" having autonomy anyway? You want to sell me a product, do it. My oshi, yeah, I care about her being comfortable with content she produces. I would like to get appreciation and respect as a fan in return though. And I do receive it.
>I have no idea why you're so autistically attached to fighting against this specific word.
Because being parasocial has implications. It's a completely irrational thing so arguing from rational angles like "yuuhhhh, they aren't ackshually just co-workers" doesn't make any sense. Some people don't like the object of their delusions interacting with males. It produces a negative visceral reaction. Simple as. You personally aren't one of them? Good for you. Shove it up your self-admittedly parasocial ass.
>I'm an NA fan who follows JP holos, it's not like I'm going outside at 4AM to do real life stuff.
You sound like a "well adjusted adult" alright.

>>66702078
When did hololive became an escort company? They aren't your personal concubines faggot get the fuck over it.

>>66685431
I'm okay with most of this list because I get the spirit you're aiming for but people were very mad at Korone last year for collabing with males and several of those girls were part of HLZNTL fiasco and all of ReGloss openly supported the Homos before they even debuted

Ririka was unironically perfect before she openly turned on her fans. That's why it hurts more

>>66702459
It's a shame because she had potential, yes. Unlike Ao who I already didn't care about much before she started being a serial mancollaber now.

>>66702413
>Korone
Not homos, we're specifically talking about Holostars members
>HLZNTL
corpo mandated, no one liked it, probably dead

Incels are disgusting.

>>66700945
Professional collab usually means either a corpo mandated collab, or a collab with trained professionals in a scene.
Something like Fubuki and Marine doing an interview with Sugita is pretty professional. Playing games with a Holostar on stream isn't professional, it's a choice made by the girl to collab with a male streamer

>>66702078
>company mandated male collabs
And where are these "company mandated male collabs" anon? Are they in the room with us now?
I could not care less about the inner workings of NIJI as I only watch a single member from there and refuse to lose braincells over following their drama. But if you think any time a male and a female show up on a stream is "company mandated" you're incredibly dumb.
>Why should I care about "entertainers" having autonomy anyway?
Because you don't want to be a sociopath, that's why, anon.
>My oshi, yeah, I care about her being comfortable with content she produces.
It's good you at least claim to care for her, maybe there is hope for you. Then again...
>I would like to get appreciation and respect as a fan in return though. And I do receive it.
You're not entitled to anything. That being said, before you chimp out, you're obviously welcome to ask for it. The issue here is what you consider "appreciation" and "disrespect" from the liver. Them changing their content and deciding to not take into consideration the mental illness of unicorns is not "disrespectful." You're boarding on some real incel shit with some of these comments, anon.

>so arguing from rational angles like "yuuhhhh, they aren't ackshually just co-workers" doesn't make any sense
What doesn't make sense is your logic. I'll assume you made a typo here and meant to say "they are just co-workers" or something. Because what you have in quotes is not "rational" for what we're talking about.
>Some people don't like the object of their delusions interacting with males. It produces a negative visceral reaction. Simple as.
Great, you're still mentally ill for feeling that way. However, if you want to live your life this maladjusted I'm not saying you can't, what I AM saying is that you should seethe in silence, you fucking loser. No cares what you think, fade into obscurity and do not bother the public or /here/ with your drivel.

>You sound like a "well adjusted adult" alright.
I make more money than I know what to do with, I pay my taxes, give my dog a good home, and I support my oshi. What I do on the weekends is of no one's concern but my own. So yeah, I'd say I'm pretty well adjusted given I don't have a mental breakdown when I see my oshi like a man's tweet, or how when I see a HOLOSTAR on a livestream the first thing that pops into my head isn't cocks, it's nothing. I do not think about the HOLOSTARS or any other homos in any capacity. If my oshi streams with one, cool. I'll watch it and have a good time, then go on with my life. It matters not to me who she collabs with, simply that she is there.

>>66702185
What do escorts have to do with anything? My oshi doesn't do anything remotely sexual and doesn't pretend to be my girlfriend. Unlike Ririka, who thought that anything she does would be fine as long as she provided sloppy ASMR to paypiggies according to her own word. Fucking disgusting by the way.
There are things that come with being a streamer. Fans liking you as a person is one of them, and the main reason why this industry can exist at all since there are much better ways to just kill time otherwise. Fans know this, holo management know this, the talents know this. Everybody involved fucking knows this and milks the phenomenon for what it's worth, except people pretending to be retarded to won the unicels. There are different ways you can navigate this and I get that some people would want to filter out the mentally ill, but it still comes down to respect. There is a reason why every single homocollaber is a trainwreck in other regards too.

>>66702955
>And where are these "company mandated male collabs" anon? Are they in the room with us now?
If you want to know, she did a couple collabs as part of an ongoing company-wide event and then some during an industry-wide Fall Guys competition. Those were the only collabs she has ever participated in at all except for bimonthly ones with her few friends.
>Because you don't want to be a sociopath, that's why, anon.
That's cool. Can we go back to wishing the mentally ill people would rope because an anime girl online NEEDS to talk to anime boys on camera or she will surely die?
>No cares what you think, fade into obscurity and do not bother the public or /here/ with your drivel.
Make me. Some people do seem to care, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place because nobody would be avoiding male collabs.
>I make more money than I know what to do with...
What I gather from your drivel is that you are a lonely faggot who watches vtubers at 4AM and replace kids with a dog, and then copes with it by telling himself that it's okay because he is at least not a unicorn. What was it? Spare me your mental illness.

>>66702780
>Professional collab usually means either a corpo mandated collab, or a collab with trained professionals in a scene.
You don't get to change the definition of words just to suit your retarded narrative.

>>66703436
You treating these girls like they're escort meant to please you. I'm just pointing the obvious

>>66703524
Yes, and?

>>66703524
Do you think that escorts are the only people who ever "please" anyone? Are you actually retarded? Yeah, I think that providing the viewers with an enjoyable time is an important part of being a good streamer. Do you want to argue about that or something?

>>66703440
The idea of what constitutes a professional collab from a Unicorn's point of view has been pretty consistent for years.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone even remotely try to imply that a Holostars/Hololive collab could be considered professional when it's just a man and a woman playing video games with each other. Of course, it might change if said event was sponsored and they were pressured into it, but this isn't the hypothetical scenario that would occur if "Pekora and Robert wanted to play games together on stream" and I don't think anyone would be willing to die on that hill to prove otherwise.

Holy fuck look at all the goddamn paragraphs in this thread

>>66703706
You say "enjoyable time" but what you're actually referring to is just "entertainment". Male collabs are also "entertainment" which is what some vtubers will put out regardless if you find it to be an "enjoyable time". Just watch something else

>>66703767
>from a Unicorn's point of view
lol who gives a shit about that?

>>66684376
Quit coping nijinigger

>>66704362
Most of hololive?

>>66703436
>That's cool. Can we go back to wishing the mentally ill people would rope because an anime girl online NEEDS to talk to anime boys on camera or she will surely die?
Few responses here. In the case that you're legitimately asking this: sure, why not, all beggars deserve the rope.
In the case that you're implying this is my somehow my claim: First you're a retard. Second, can't go back to something I've never implied in any of my comments. Since you seem to struggle with following reply chains on 4chan, here is my stance. All unicorns need to rope, and ALL collab beggars of any kind (Female+Female, Female+Male, Male+Male) need to rope. It's not your channel, not your say, not your community. You're there to watch the content, not provide it. Naturally, you're welcome to ask for things you'd like to see and provide feedback in a sane way should the streamer ask for it, but aside from that you're just another nobody.
>Make me. Some people do seem to care, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place because nobody would be avoiding male collabs.
The issue with you fags is that you try to push this shit on every vtuber. And if one doesn't fit your mental image, or decides to try out some new types of content, you have a meltdown. They don't need your permission to stream.

>What I gather from your drivel is that you are a lonely faggot who watches vtubers at 4AM and replace kids with a dog, and then copes with it by telling himself that it's okay because he is at least not a unicorn.
You'll be unhappy to know that I do have a girlfriend and have never felt lonely once in my life (hell, I'll be going to 5th fes with like, 8-10 friends in a few months time), however you are correct, I have zero plans to ever have kids and had a vasectomy a bit over 5 years ago. My dog is indeed something like a "replacement" for a kid. So unfortunately for you, I don't have much to cope about, my life's pretty good. With that said, it is pretty great knowing that no matter what goes wrong in my life, at least I'm not mentally ill to the point of becoming a unicorn.

>>66704362
Female Vtubers who actually care about their fans, for starters. Let's not forget how many Hologirls outright pretend that the Stars just don't exist and refuse to collab with them for the sake of their fans.

>>66704552
You sound like a legitimate sociopath wishing for multiple people online to die just because they have opinions that you disagree with.
I don't particularly like the idea of a hall monitor like you deciding what constitutes a "sane way" to go about things considering "wishing people you hate to kill themselves" is apparently sanity in your books
>but aside from that you're just another nobody.
Any oshi worth her salt recognises her regulars. If your oshi doesn't, that says more about her than it does about her fans.

>>66704683
>Let's not forget how many
>for the sake of their fans
Post the list. Prove how many have actually said this is the reason. Or, is it more likely reality true in that you're putting words in their mouth, and they simply don't because they have no interest.
Unicorns are not special. You are not a primary motivator for stream decisions, unless they explicitly say so (only a handful of holos have, with no one in that list belonging to the EN branch, to my knowledge).

>>66704552
>had a vasectomy a bit over 5 years ago. My dog is indeed something like a "replacement" for a kid.

>>66704552
Imagine framing everything in your life to be about Unicorns
Is this what we call "rent free"?

>>66704829
>"wishing people you hate to kill themselves" is apparently sanity in your books
If you wanna drop all hyperbole I'm more than willing to. Apologies for using crass language on 4chan.
>Any oshi worth her salt recognises her regulars. If your oshi doesn't, that says more about her than it does about her fans.
I do 100% agree with you here, but this is beside the point and you know this. You are still a singular community member at the end of the day. I've been watching most of my oshis since debut, some for over 5 years now. Does not mean I think my opinion should have more weight than a newer fans. Times change and streamers need to adapt and grow. Some of this change I like, some I cannot stand.
A great example is the new trend of doing vertical YouTube shorts streams. I hate everything about them and wish they would stop with every fiber of my being. To my knowledge, the only holo who has given an actually negative opinion towards them is Ayame, additionally saying that she'll never do them. Every other holo is either: indifferent and has not done one/has never expressed interest in them, or is positive towards them and has done several up to this point. They apparently do well, and have helped for channel growth, additionally some of the community does like them. Would I like my oshi to never do them again? Yes. Am I going to drop her completely and sperg out about it on /vt/ or twitter or wherever else? No.

>>66705359
Correct, the same way unicorns always seethe about other males

>>66705359
Imagine thinking a single thread on /vt/ has that much pull
Is this what we call "mental illness"?

The anon made a comment, I made a reply. The fact that you think it's deeper than that says more about you than it does about me.

>>66705377
Depending on the Vtuber, doing something like a male collab can be absolutely disastrous to her career to the point that their earning can drop by up to 33%, their reputation can be destroyed, their antis will pile on them and harass them into a depression or even a hiatus and they won't even grow at the end of the day to counteract all of that negativity
I'd argue that knowing all of this in advance is plenty enough reason to speak up with the Unicorns if the topic is ever broached. In my eyes, people who know all of this and yet either refuse to speak up or even openly encourage their oshis to start collabing with men should take a long hard look at themselves to see whether or not they are actually "supporting" their oshi or if they're just half heartedly going with the flow from a detached position.

>>66705471
Your entire post is blogposting with an "at least I'm not a Unicorn" at the end.
Aren't you embarrassed? It's really funny in retrospect.

>>66700457
Just scrolling this retarded thread and stopping to say you have pretty good taste.

>>66705597
That's the problem with you unifags. You dangle the threat of loss in profit in front of the face of every vtuber you "support." To answer, no, I would never side with unicorns in this instance. I will always be an advocate for creating the best content you can, even if that means a loss in profit or a change in your community. It is of paramount importance that you, the stream, enjoy creating the content you do before worrying about your community's issues with it. With that said, I would, however, side with my oshi should she chose to listen to them and not take the hit to her bank account. There's nothing wrong with chasing the bag, she's gotta eat too, especially if she's a smaller channel. I will always respect that decision.

>>66705654
Okay got it, so you just don't know how to read threads.
>and then copes with it by telling himself that it's okay because he is at least not a unicorn. What was it? Spare me your mental illness.
There's the part you missed from the comment I'm replying to, you illiterate retard. Aren't you embarrassed? It's really funny in retrospect.

>>66705782
Thanks anon.

>>66704315
I can agree with this partially, except when people say "entertainment" on /vt/ they usually don't mean entertainment for the sake of their idiotic arguments so I have to be careful using the word. If you consider idolfaggotry "entertainment" then yes, I'm talking about entertainment.
I am watching something else, thank you.

>>66704552
>The issue with you fags is that you try to push this shit on every vtuber.
There are thousands of vtubers who don't have this problem and you know it. What you mean to say is "you fags try to push this shit on every Hololive member because you want your safe space where your oshi won't renege on her projected image after 2 years of adhering to it." Which I see as entirely reasonable even if not desirable. In an ideal world hiring process would filter out talents who aren't fine with it in the first place. Go be an indie if you don't give a shit about corpo branding.
>You're there to watch the content
No. I am not. Which seems to make you seethe, not me. Sorry that your kind of chuubas have been losing ground since 2019 since they have stupid ideas on what is and isn't good content.
>arguing about unicorns from 3AM to 6AM on a weekend despite having a "girlfriend"
>he has been doing this for 5 years
>vasectomy
>not mentally ill or lonely
Bro, just stop.

Do you remember that time that Mori went out for lunch with Kson and apparently complained about Unicorns so much that Kson did a full hour long rant stream the next day about Unicorns? I thought that was really funny at the time

>>66705890
>You dangle the threat of loss in profit in front of the face of every vtuber you "support.
It's just a fact of life that people will stop supporting a Vtuber who doesn't want to support them. You can bemoan it as cruel or whatever, but at the end of the day, neither you, me or your Oshi is entitled to tell people how they should spend their money. But I'm also not going to pretend that it isn't basically a certainty that male collabs tend to cripple female Vtubers in some way, shape or form with little actual benefits
>the best content you can
Whether or not male collabs even is equivalent to this is debatable and I'd argue in a lot of cases, it simply isn't.
If you want to enjoy some really bad content, try watching a Vtuber complain for weeks about having lost fans/support/money/loving sentiments from her fan base as a result of making a dumb decision that in hindsight never payed off

>>66706047
>There are thousands of vtubers who don't have this problem and you know it.
Every vtuber YOU UNICORNS WATCH. How is it not obvious to you that this is what I mean? Yeah, no shit there's a countless number of vtubers who never have to deal with you losers, and thank god for that too.
>Which I see as entirely reasonable even if not desirable
I'm more than fine with a vtuber sticking to her kayfabe, I'm more than fine with her pandering to unicorns, and I'm absolutely more than fine with her dropping all of that at a moment's notice. If I don't like the direction her content is going in, and she's not my oshi, I'll just drop her. Doesn't matter to me. It's you fags who chimp out over males and not getting your way that I'm not fine with.
>No. I am not. Which seems to make you seethe, not me.
Okay, you're definitely not the anon I was replying to. What a retarded statement.

>Bro, just stop.
I'm sorry if me living a happy and successful life makes you seethe. Blame the other anon for wanting to know about it.

retarded shitters

>>66706600
Welcome to the club

I don't like when my oshi collabs with males because I think they're usually not funny or entertaining but I do still watch her other streams because she's fun and entertaining

pic unrelated

>>66706258
>But I'm also not going to pretend that it isn't basically a certainty that male collabs tend to cripple female Vtubers in some way, shape or form with little actual benefits
I can't stop you from stopping your support, and ultimately the only way this could ever negatively impact me is if it some how caused her to stop streaming entirely. Thankfully none of my "unicorn friendly" oshis are small enough where this would ever be an issue. So yeah, I feel pretty safe in never supporting unicorns.
>Whether or not male collabs even is equivalent to this is debatable
This is obviously completely subjective and you're entitled to your opinion.
>try watching a Vtuber complain for weeks about having lost fans/support/money/loving sentiments from her fan base as a result of making a dumb decision that in hindsight never payed off
I'm personally not a fan of this sort of thing. It's a big reason why I dropped Kiara shortly after her debut. Her bitching about numbers is not appealing to me.

>>66706123
Do you have a link to either or both instances? I don't watch either but it definitely sounds funny

>>66706628
Fair and sane stance

>>66706628
You're the best, and only good kind, of unicorn then. Stay based anon and keep loving your oshi.

>>66704552
>you try to push this shit on every vtuber
This is a thread about a vtuber who clearly positioned herself as unicorn friendly only to then turn on her fanbase. I don't care that much about occasional male collabs, hell I member some male collabers, but the way she did things really rubbed me the wrong way, specially because I really liked her.
Obviously I'm not going to say this shit in public, I just quietly left.

>>66706677
It was all over the catalog in late March/early April

>>66703436
>Unlike Ririka, who thought that anything she does would be fine as long as she provided sloppy ASMR to paypiggies according to her own word
Holy fucking based

The hard truth about Ririka is that she's not interesting enough to not rely on the unicorn audience. She should have kept relying on "soft" gfe to farm gachi.
Now compare to Ao who thrives on collab content and who can easily bounce off both males and females thanks to her character and comedy skills.
Knowing your audience and your qualities as a streamer is more important than any unicorn/beggar war.

>>66704552
Do you even watch Ririka?

>>66684264
>bri
qrd on her story /here/?

Cool /vt/ fact. No real unicorns come here and it's just shitposter and /#/ pretending to be unicorns to shitpost.

>>66707267
...pretty sure that's just a typo, anon

>>66707247
Occasionally, yes. I like her and Raden. However, I do not member either and am just a casual fan. Haven't watched much from the others. (aside from collabs Ao has been in/done because my oshi was in them)

>>66707312
how

>>66707385
bri -> bro

>wall of text
>"unicorns"
You, unicorns, are a gift from God. Always stick to your values and standards.

>>66707172
she didnt have a gfe stream tho lol just said some things about it. this board is full of eops and theyve never watched her streams and have just made shit up from shit clips. she couldve been able to be a pretty cultic gfe vtuber but shes never acted like a genuine gfe vtuber.

shes like aki, towa, matsuri, fubuki, roboco, and mel. all of these homocollab but they have "soft unicorn" viewers. im sure ririka has still had too. although she wont be so popular.

>this level of cope

Ririka isn't really like that, Ao put her up to it.

>>66707687
>she didnt have a gfe stream tho lol just said some things about it.
That's why I said "soft" gfe. She attracted that sort of audience with her streaming style and content (like her "cooking" streams). She didn't even have to force it.
>shes like aki, towa, matsuri, fubuki, roboco, and mel. all of these homocollab but they have "soft unicorn" viewers.
There's no "soft unicorn" viewers. It's either unicorns or not. But non-unicorn girls still have gachi (even twitchsluts have them). It's probably her saving grace. The issue is that the girls you listed have other qualities like gaming skills, singing, good at collabs,... What does Ririka have? I'm afraid she's going to be Mel-tier.

>>66706628
Congratulations, you have a functioning brain.

>>66707400
I was hoping it was the vtuber, she falling for rrats sound funny

i've been working on a theory and seeing as there appear to be unicorns in this thread i'd like to get their opinions

relationships, both in real life and parasocial ones will suffer from jealousy, i.e, comparing your relationship with someone to their relationship with others. this jealousy will affect the relationship whether it is platonic or romantic and can get particularly bad if the feelings are unequal or unrequited

there is another factor at play here - intimacy, a platonic relationship has fairly low levels of intimacy, talking hugging, hanging out or doing activities together. a romantic relationship obviously has higher levels of intimacy. jealousy can enter the picture when comparing relationships and finding or even perceiving different levels of intimacy. for example:
let's say i have a friend (Friend A), we talk every now and then but we never hang out unless we happen to both be attending a social event (hosted by Friend B), now Friend A and Friend B's relationship is different, they hang out a lot and often go bowling together, in this scenario i may develop mild jealousy at their relationship but given that these are simply platonic friendships it's unlikely to develop further.

with a romantic relationship however this is more complex with greater levels of intimacy and more potential for jealousy. let's say i have a gf and our level of intimacy is high (regular sex) then i'm unlikely to develop jealousy over her relationships with other men as long as they're platonic - e.g talking, attending social events. if intimacy levels start to rise however e.g. going out to dinner with them alone and particularly if she's secretive about it

how does this apply to unicorns and parasocial relationships? for starters lets establish a few key differences, specifically in vtuber/audience parasocial relationships
>they're non-physical, they occur between people who are often in different countries and likely never met in person or even know each others names
>they're unequal, a single vtuber and a faceless audience
>intimacy is asymmetric, the vtuber performs and talks, the audience watches and financially supports
>they don't neatly fit in the platonic or romantic categories, every audience member will feel differently towards the vtuber, for some she's just an entertainer and can be picked up or dropped whenever, for others she's their actual, unironic wife
so lets go back to intimacy, in this kind of relationship intimacy levels are very low, there can be no physical interaction, little to no focus on you as an audience member and even full on GFE is little more than loving but generic ASMR. compare this to a collab, the collab partner is acknowledged as a named individal, they can have a proper conversation and, in the case of offcollabs, can physically interact with each other.
for someone who considers a vtuber their romantic partner then being witness to someone else enjoy a greater level of intimacy then they'll ever achieve without having to fork over an akasupa for the trouble would be painful, particularly if the collab partner is a male and potential romantic rival

tl:dr: the reason why unicorns dislike male collabs is because even it's the equivalent of watching your wife have a romantic dinner with a work colleague while you have a dead bedroom. even if their relationship is strictly platonic it's a shitton more action than you're getting

Not liking male collabs and being in love with your oshi have nothing to do with each other.

>>66684065
She deserves no mercy.

>>66706677
anon is an ESL fag who believes what the bait threads say.

Meanwhile, fags in /hlgg/ still watch and post about her streams as usual.
Nice try, nijinigs

>>66711578
Okay Sasuke, calm down

>>66712637
>hololive anti thread supports homocollaber
the sky is blue btw

can people post the clip where she talks about how unicorns will come back for ASMR? I need some drama to read

>>66708204
>What does Ririka have?
genkai meshi i guess? you might know it but haachama has also no skills of anything. all she can do is do wacky things. shes however tried hard to collab with many holomems lately and becoming popular again.

ririka is surprisingly good at gaming. she hasnt played them these days but shes originally a hardcore gamer. she played so many jrpgs and social games. also she has a deep otaku knowledge and korone does love ririka so shes probably gonna be buffed up with them.

>>66712439
>ESL
I read through the entire transcript Taishi did for that stream. Off of the top of my head, she
>complained about westerners adopting the habits of the Japanese with regards to male collabs
>disliked the idea of openly complaining about content you disliked instead of just avoiding said streams
>kept on saying "weebs", presumably in reference to point A
>openly complained about how Vtubers have to avoid mentioning interactions with men off stream
I've noticed a lot of Ksonfags are very quick to claim anyone talking about the stream are either brown, ESL or antis, but everyone knew it was an anti Unicorn stream. There's a reason why one of Kson's friends had an hour long stream a day or two later in which her chat was talking to her and complaining about Unicorns: they had all watched that stream and were using it as ammo to push her away from Unicorns. Anyways, a Ksongumi accidently leaked that it was Mori who had brought the topic up to Kson in the first place, which is even funnier when you consider what had been happening at the time

I don't care about le unicorns and le unity fags
I like her voice, I like her model, and her ASMR streams are hot as fuck, probably some of the best member content I've seen in a while, I just skip collab streams because I'm not into that and I don't even have much time to watch her anyway because she's not my oshi

I'm 100% most people here complaining (both unicorns and homobeggars) don't even watch streams and don't speak japanese
So why do you care

>>66709276
Damn nobody's reading all that shit, get a life twitter tranny

>>66709276

>>66713585
>I read through the entire transcript Taishi did for that stream. Off of the top of my head, she
>>66713585
>I read through the entire transcript Taishi did for that stream.
qHow about watching the stream, you dirty faggot?
it's translated so that retards like you don't double your words.
https://www.youtube.com/live/ScVSeQ4UswY?si=7NRitkGQjqAxgUhA
also everything you say is either taken from the threads here or you made it up because you are angry that she called the harassing faggots or others because they are not to her liking.
also everything you say is either taken from the threads here or you made it up because you are angry that she would call those who shit on others because they don't conform to HER own tastes while calling themselves the real community.
it is obvious that this hurts you because it is true unicorfaggot

>>66714978
The most egregious thing Kson implied was that she didn't know a single Vtuber who was actually happy with the state of Western Unicorns. I have the transcripts downloaded, so I can copy and paste whatever parts you want to talk about.
I don't mean the live TL. I mean the entire transcript Taishi uploaded a day or two after
>https://twitter.com/KamishiroTaishi/status/1641477194668179458
Also, you can't deny Kson doing this stream at that time was really really ill advised considering it was at the time that Kanata was tricked by management into joining that dumb collab and at the same time that Mikeneko had to stop the anticorns in her fanbase from harassing, threatening and sending death threats to her Unicorns
I don't hate Kson. I just think she should think about things properly.
That's not even getting into her making up the dumbest definition of "seiso" I've ever heard

>>66715341
You can't say shit about kdon because bits will immediatly call you a chink or anything similar
I will always appreciate coco but people who defend her haven't seen how awful kson streams are, she's just a basic twitch thot who hates le bad japanese culture

>>66684065
>still watching vtubers
none of these whores in 2024 are worth supporting, the hobby is a shell of itself
Even HoloJP's are bending themselves over for male ecelebs because they're desperate for clout. Sad stuff. I don't even know why I still lurk this board.

>>66715341
it's in english! watch the fucking stream.
it's funny how they unicorn seethe because their oshi makes pickle.
>>66715551
>gets angry at being called chink
ogey chink

>>66716300
I'd recommend learning English first.
It's not as if watching the stream will suddenly change the content of it, anon. But do pray tell explain what part I've misunderstood.
Frankly, if you're just going to cry "watch stream, watch stream," I'm going to assume you're a tourist looking to stir up trouble

That kson stream was fucking retarded and I'm sick of girls who openly shit on, lecture, and talk down to the fans.

>>66698483
Kill yourself negroid

>>66716424
you say she talks about how she was shitting on unicorns when what she is talking about is how the idealistic thinking of how a vtuber should be is being normalized and how fans believe how they should behave and if it is contrary to what they think it is branded as bad.
An example:
-a vtuber talks to a man
whore
before it wasn't like that and those who thought like that were a small minority, but now everyone breaks the containment.

>>66717557
She made a stream complaining about the rise of Unicorn sentiments in the West that hadn't been there previously. She even made a joke to suggest that she used to think that the only good thing about Westerners was that they didn't hold the girls to these standards.
And at the end, she said that she didn't know a single girl who was happy about this change, which is really weird when it was right around the time when one of her friends was openly defending her Western Unicorns. All she did with that stream was cause drama and headaches for other Vtubers, presented under the banner that Kson was "the only person" who could "speak out about it".
Not even getting into the dumb comments she made which indirectly insulted her (at the time) fellow VShojo girls, Nyanners and Vei

>>66719118
exmikefag wach the stream pls

>>66719118
>whore mad when men start having standards
lol ya love to see it

>>66719548
me
*watch

>>66719548
Do you want to try explaining why I'm wrong? Out of curiosity, you're from Taiwan, aren't you?

>>66719690
>Do you want to try explaining why I'm wrong?
easy
>Out of curiosity, you're from Taiwan, aren't you?
no

>>66719841
Oh yeah, this image was spread among Taiwanese fans, though.
See, the retarded thing about this image is that both sides are Unicorns. The idea that only people who harass others are Unicorns is a literal fanfiction invented in other to justify harassing "Unicorns" into silence.
Go look on 5ch or any other Japanese space and you'll find that none of them subscribe to the definition of Unicorn that you've presented.
That picture is so ESL it hurts, by the way. You're 100% from Taiwan.

>>66720035
i didn't know veeteee had country identifier like pol.
stop justifying yourself for texting mike and calling him a whore.

>>66719841
This image was so retarded Sakana ended up having to delete the tweet and Mike scolded her for starting shit.

>>66719841
>actually reposting the shitty ESL chart some seething landwhale made
lol

>>66720035
>>66720168
>>66720337
ay! it seems to touch a nerve
Are you telling me that there are no fans who don't attack their favorite streamer because she talks to a man?
That's never happened, has it?

>>66720445
I'm just here to call Sakana a retarded whore and remind everyone that Taiwanese people are subhuman. Can't wait for China to kill all you monkeys.

>>66719841
nta, but I still just don't understand the problem kson has with unicorns.
If a chuuba doesn't want unicorns they can just ignore their demands and they'll get abandoned by them.
Getting mentally ill people to donate ~20% of their paycheck will inevitably give them the false idea of having a stake in the content they're donating to.
Her point is essentially that western chuubas are upset that they can't just print money off of basement dwellers without them throwing a fit when you burst their purity bubble, you reap what you sow

>>66720159
This might shock you, but I'm not a Mike anti.
If anything, sleezebags like you are the ones causing trouble. I thought it was actually really funny when Mike admitted that she didn't watch Kson's stream and when her chat informed her that she was contradicting Kson, her response basically amounted to "oh, what a shame lol"

>>66720970
>but I still just don't understand
exactly
https://www.youtube.com/live/ScVSeQ4UswY?si=7NRitkGQjqAxgUhA
don't be a thread reader

>>66720445
I remember when Mikeneko got so mad at Taiwanese people attacking her Unicorns that she called them "worse than antis"
She's not the smartest Vtuber but generally speaking, she despises it when people attack her fans. She actually has less Taiwanese fans now because one of the big clique leaders among the Taiwanese left to draw the Regloss girls instead.

>>66721275
Anon, the Tweet with the full transcript has already been posted. Unironically you're going to make people dislike Kson more if you made them sit down and watch the stream in which she compares being a corporate Vtuber to slavery.

>>66684129
biboo wants to collab with one the homo so it's over once she does

>>66721474
>watch the stream in which she compares I feel like a fool to think that the niggers here would use 1 minute of their lives to verify what they are talking about.
keep crawling in the shit

>>66721474
>Kson more if you made them sit down and watch the stream in which she compares being a corporate Vtuber to slavery.
I feel like a fool to think that the niggers here would use 1 minute of their lives to verify what they are talking about.
keep crawling in the shit

>>66721738
Do you have a link/source for that?

>>66722034
Anon, I read through the transcript. Do you want me to post it to this thread?
I always forget that Taiwanese people don't know how to argue

>>66722141
>>66714978

>>66722232
You aren't making an argument. You just keep saying "watch le stream"
Do you want to tell me why you think Taishi's full transcript and translation is inaccurate? Tell me in detail. Keep in mind this isn't his LiveTL, it's the full transcript he released a day or two after the stream to make sure that everyone knew what Kson was saying in that stream

>>66685431
Miko and Subaru collabed with the homos all the time before 2020. And Ollie tricked Nene into an homo collab but then apologized and even cried saying she wasn't aware of the others in the collab.
Lui was in the Holizontal thing but then apologized and put all the blame on management making her do it.

>>66721275
"weebs are seeing unicorns as role model"
the entire group of weebs she's mentioning are just the loudest and most profitable group in their audience.
She just thinks that this is a general shift in opinion because whoever she talked to about this has a greater amount of unicorns, making their perception about the general trend incredibly biased.
In online content creation you largely get the audience you cultivate, complaining about your cultivated audience of mentally ill human ATM's acting mentally ill is retarded.

>>66722628
>whoever she talked to about this has a greater amount of unicorns
It was Mori, who doesn't have any Unicorns. That's why the whole situation is so funny.

>>66722558
>Ollie tricked Nene into an homo collab but then apologized and even cried saying she wasn't aware of the others in the collab.
Wrong. Ollie prepared three different events around this shit (girls only, males only, and mixed for homocollabers), and then shit-stirrers like you went into her chat to complain and trick her into thinking she got into a mixed collab (it's pretty easy because Nene is a dumbass who never checks events details before entering).

>>66700530
i'm pretty sure that shit is dead in the water

>>66723223
It is. Towa confirmed it.

>>66722390
Taishi himself says it is inaccurate and apologizes, anon are you stupid?
If you want me to spoon feed you with time stamps, point for point you will have to wait until I get off work.
I'm out of time talking to lazy retards.

>>66722722
I mean to be honest she probably has people complaining about purity or whatever but that just comes with the audience she chose (hololive)
The only thing that changed over time is that the EN demographic became more in sync with their JP one

>>66723503
No, he didn't.
He said LiveTL isn't 100% accurate. That's why he went back and rewatched the stream and did a full TL of it, and posted the transcript, which is what I linked
LiveTL isn't the same as a full transcript which is acquired from TLing the VOD, the hint being in the word LIVE
I do think it's hilarious that you've spent hours saying the TL is inaccurate or that people don't understand it, but all you end up doing is showing that you don't understand enough English to actually understand the context or implications of what's being said. Your English fluency isn't at the point of being able to even understand my argument.

>>66722558
Miko and Subaru have NEVER collabed with homostars, EVER.

>>66724593
That anon is just defining homos as males, when in fact it's always referred specifically to holostars

>>66721738
Wait, did you unironically fall for the "Towa is a boy" meme? Please

>>66685628
Yes they never collabed and interacted with the homos

>>66721474
the google drive just has sub files can someone just post it in plain text or something

Starting to think everyone here has a mental disability or everyone here is actually dumb as rocks. I fucking hate all of you

>>66713764
>>66714118
fair enough, if it's so simple then why does a male collab completely kill a vtuber for you? you could just skip the stream if it doesn't appeal to you and i can certainly understand not wanting to watch certain streams if the collab features someone you dislike

why then do unicorns start screeching about how the vtuber is a whore and how they'll never watch them again?

>>66727488
people are really that lonely
even arguing in this shithole gives them the bare titillation they need

>>66699344
I can tell that your oshi is a whore, and you're a coping cuck.

>>66684065
>A JP whore lies to her fans (AGAIN) because she thinks that opening up to e-celeb cock will open more opportunities in the long run than just sticking to gachis
A tale as old as time. This one even tried to have it both ways too. Keep the gachis and then flirt with retarded flesh streamers in GTA.
Cringe. Japanese women are soulless.
Japan is unironically one of the last places where you should be looking for your "le pure" trad waifu.

>>66729157
Go outside nigger faggot and actually contribute to society instead of gushing over anime girls and going apeshit about getting "betrayed". They clearly do not give a fuck about a fat, bald, piece of shit onions boy wearing $2 prescription glasses okay?

>>66730819
YWNBAW

>>66713286
>clipbegging
Holy kek troonicorns are desperate.

>>66731235
NTA but I don't think you know what a unicorn is anon, the anon you're replying to is clearly a dramafag who wants the clip here to either create a bait thread or to fuel this bait thread.

>>66727191
Open the file in Notepad/another text program

Kson and Omega are the same person and I'm tired of pretending it's not obvious.

>>66695979
Tumor weeks season 23

>>66727614
Not the anon that you're responding to, but for me personally, it's the fundamental idea of what I love about Vtubers.
For me, it's the love that the Vtuber has for her fans. This doesn't necessarily mean "romantic love" (although in my oshi's case, it does), but it's the kindness and appreciation that Vtubers showed to their fans that won me over to them and made me believe that they were worthwhile supporting.
So how do males factor into this? Firstly, doing collabs with males or obviously playing with them behind the scenes shows that there are going to be people that will be closer to your oshi than you for no better reason than they are streamers or friends. They've crossed beyond the barrier that a fan will never be allowed to go past. It's almost like favoritism taken to the extreme.
The second one is that I know that these decisions harm other fans, and it's seeing the reaction that a Vtuber has towards this that makes me uncomfortable. As I said earlier, it's the idea that a Vtuber loves their fanbase that motivates me, and at a very basic human level, I feel that you should avoid doing things that would harm the people who you claim to love (again, not even necessarily romantically). So when they choose to do a male collab and their reaction to upset fans is either cruelty, indifference or some patronizing action, it makes me question how much of their earlier statements were true or not. Of course, stuff like this can be avoided through proper communication early on, but unsurprisingly a lot of Vtubers prefer to take a "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" approach to problem solving, which is less than desireable.
Thirdly, especially in the case of Vtubers who have made explicit promises about male interaction, I hate seeing people lie for thier own benefit. This mostly ties back to point 2, though.
I don't like the way Ririka handled her fans. Making a joke about how she'll just fix Unicorn horns with some ASMR is pretty insulting on a basic human level. Even with friends or acquaintances, breaking promises openly for your own benefit (especially when the evidence of said promises are almost always out there on the internet) raises a massive red flag as to whether or not you really want to support a Vtuber

>>66684065
>believes anything /vt/ says
>is a "unicorn"
ngmi

>>66730819
Mindbroken cuck.

>>66684065
why would you listen to randos on vt? the chuuba themselves will tell you. marine and pekora have publicly talked about specifically deciding to not do collabs with male vtubers

>>66699533
>>66719841
stop attacking ririka when your oshi herself collabs with men exfandead
it's just sad

>>66732484
>Making a joke about how she'll just fix Unicorn horns with some ASMR is pretty insulting on a basic human level.
No isn't. Unless you are a maladjusted emotional stunned faggot like (You)

>>66736319
The second poster is a Ksongumi.

>>66737147
Objectively speaking, talking about doing something that you know your fans will dislike and suggesting that it's no big deal because you'll make it up to them later with something else is pretty degrading.
Isn't it a bit like how they give children lollipops at the doctors if they've been good? It's pretty condescending. Then again, going off of the way you talk, you're clearly lacking in basic human empathy (like most Anticorns), so I'm really not surprised you didn't catch on to this

>>66729107
You're talking to a Discord/Twitter raider who is here to "pwn le incels" and who is not remotely arguing in good faith. They're just looking to brag on their server about how they "totally rekt the unicorns." There's no point in talking to someone out of touch with reality.

>>66736319
>exfandead
The fuck? I just know notRirika anon, I'm not a fandead. I'm not even attacking Ririka, just stating the facts of what happened.