/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66332857
it's the superior platform

>>66332889
that is correct

>>66332857
Why all the whores are turning to Twitch?
Is Towa next? Or Mel?

What makes twitch better? Why do people simp so much for this platform over alternatives like Youtube or Kick

>>66333028
>Youtube
better features
>Kick
kek

>>66333028
>Kick
lmao try harder

>>66333028
>Kick
It’s just Twitch with Crypto gambling and crime

>>66333028
Frankly it's exactly the fucking same. Anyone going tribal over youtube vs twitch is a mouth breathing brown retard.

Aki is cat

>>66333195
no it's not, twitch ads are absolute cancer, I tried watching la+'s stream twice just to get 4 30 second ads, it's not worth it

>>66333195
Twitch chugs like shit for some reason for me, so I prefer Youtube by default.

>>66333028
I only go there whenever Nihmune and Filian streams.

>>66333286
There are ad blockers for twitch

>>66333018
It will be great if they move to twitch so they won't show up on my YT page. Whores should all go to twitch, that's where they belong

>>66333547
all the ublock origin filters all broke for me idk

>>66333028
In this case, it makes following all the people Aki and Matsuri etc collab with really easy to see, because they're not all in Hololive.

>>66332857
Good for her, still not using Twitch because the user experience is always complete AIDS when I go there

>>66333028
Youtube has two problems: algorithm can totally fuck the entire chanel and the monetization bullshit. As bad as Twitch ads and chat are, it's objectively better for livestreaming. But as a viewer, I still prefer Youtube.

Hello, if you need help for ads
>Twitch Addblocker
uBlock Origin script + TTV LOL PRO w/ Proxies
Firefox install video -
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Chrome install video -
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Github links -
https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions

https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions#applying-a-script-ublock-origin

>>66334278
just use streamlink

>>66333522
based smacker

>>66333195
Youtube doesn't push tranny and LGBT shit as much as Twitch

>>66334278
thanks anon

>>66334379
You have to go out of your way to see this shit, you outrage porn addicted loser.

>>66334122
The ad issue can be solved if you buy Twitch Turbo for $12 per month (equivalent of YouTube Premium) or a decent adblocker.

>>66332857
which this whore would fuck off to vshojo already too

>>66333028
The new CEO has been making all sorts of changes in the past year, mostly just reversing a bunch of previous decisions that was causing streamers with less than 1M CCV to lose out. The other thing is that Youtube has a lot of restrictions on content that it'll automatically sense and then shit a bot out to handle it. Not to mention the really shitty algorithm for almost a decade. Even if you abuse the system it's tough breaking out when millions of other people are doing the same thing.
That said, Twitch isn't perfect either. Bits don't pay out nearly as much as superchats do, and it has never had a good VOD system because finding the ones that aren't auto-deleted for being too long ago is still a hassle.

>>66334335
Streamlink still gets "ads", anon. They're just replaced with the "hold on we'll be right back" screen, or whatever it says.

>>66333018
Stop complaining about positive developments.

>>66333028
It rewards and incentivizes whoreish behavior, there's a different type of vtuber on Twitch to other platforms.

>>66333095
>better features
Twitch's biggest feature is not having a Roku app or, despite being owned by Amazon, a Prime channel. It's effectively PC-only.
>but muh animated emotes
You must be 18 to post on this board.

>>66333018
Twitch is home for whores
Everyone know that if you want to watch non nude whores for free, just open up your twitch.

EN is moving to twitch to stream games like Outlast.

>>66333028
>be 4view on twitch
>have a staff member on speed-dial
>an autoban system exists to kill channels that recieve a bunch of reports in a short amount of time but human staff will update on the automod with 3-6 hours delay and overturn blatantly false bans
>because you are a 4view staff will always support you even if you are doing borderline TOS violations,
>2view literal whos will scream on twitter about how unfair it is but they are still literal whos

>be a 5view on youtube
>algo flasely demonetizes your channel
>have start a twitter campaign to get anyone to notice
>eventually a week later staff says it was a mistake and fixes it
>algo demonetizes your channel again two days later
>youtube treats you like you are the literal 2view, it doesnt care about you

>>66340442
also if you play copyrighted stuff on twitch they simply mute the flagged parts instead of nuking the whole stream

I don't know why more streamers don't multicast to both. Didn't Twitch change their TOS a while back to allow that? What would be the drawback?

>>66340692
Splitted audience, double the moderation, and I think they don't allow you to show both chats

>>66340663
that was before twitch allowed split audio, now you can have music playing on a seperate channel that will never get into the vod.

>>66339750
Anon, you are quite literally the only owner of a Roku anything. No shit they don't care.

>>66333028
>What makes twitch better?
shit vods that get deleted in a week and ads.
>>66333154
Twitch allows 13 years old to stream artistic nudity. Low key cp.

>>66333028
Nothing, Twitchfags are a cancer on vtubing. Nijisanji was one before then but they imploded so now we just have to wait for it to happen with all these Twitchfags.

>>66344416
>shit vods that get deleted in a week and ads.
Did you get his question backwards?? Both of these are terrible things.

>>66333028
imo between youtube and twitch its viewer benefits vs streamer benefits.
i will watch youtube over twitch anyday as i'm not bombarded by ads constantly, and for me personally the twitch layout leads me to meander and click into other streams instead of being focused (its the sub bar, which is actually superior to youtube for tracking people), but i would perfer streaming on twitch over youtube as it has more options for me as a streamer (in terms of moderation, plugins, etc)

>>66340692
my oshi does. It's working out pretty well for her. About to make partner over there.

>>66333028
They like to leave their favorite steamers open in tabs on mute 24/7 and never actually watch their streams. It's a 'tism thing.

>>66340692
It frankly just isn't worth the effort
Most Twitch streamers use YouTube for VODs and highlights, which means those channels are flagged for videos by YT's algorithm, and that means the streams will be buried.
And because Twitch is their main platform, there is no streaming audience for them on YouTube because they all watch Twitch. The YT viewers are there for videos.

So you have two chats to read and moderate (and Twitch TOS still prohibits you from combining them on-stream) for pretty much no gain

Also there are just a bunch of problems with YT streaming. The mod tools are a joke, and the copyright bots are so intense that they'll immediately kill the stream if they detect anything. So if you want to react to a video (even if you have permission, e.g. Fredrik Knudsen gives streamers carte blanche with his videos), even if it's only a small part of the stream, your YT simulcast will die and you'll have to start a new one.
Or like, say you play Kingdom Hearts and the YT bot detects Utada Hikaru's music.
It just sucks shit.

>>66332857
I really liked Aki for the longest time, her music was wonderful and her streams were fun. Then we got into another month of ARK with other streamers, and GTA with other streamers, and now it just doesn't feel the same. Makes me sad that this is the way things are going.

>>66333018
Because the e-celebs are all on twitch duh

>>66336299
I really really don’t get this argument because YouTube can’t stop shilling me random and 2views when all I want to do is watch Holo on it. With twitch the discoverabilty is literally you scrolling down. If you a 2view you ain’t getting shilled by the system while on YT it actually does ….

>>66346830
are there any big indies on youtube?

>>66335588
does twitch have free data like youtube has for me and my SEA bros?

>>66346830
You're absolutely the exception 'cause when I look for streams on YouTube, it's ALL Hololive and big Japanese vtubers. I don't even get recommended the English small corpos.
And any stream that isn't the aforementioned is some bizarre Indian spiritualist or something.

Twitch is way better for discovery.
On any live channel, there are two segments under your followed channels on the sidebar.
One is recommended, which are channels that share audiences with channels you already follow. The other is channels that are watched by people who watch the channel you're currently on.
In other words, Twitch actually recommends shit to you based on something meaningful instead of YT's enigmatic dreamworld algorithm.
And even though YT implemented a raid feature, the culture is just a lot more prevalent on Twitch and people are more likely to send their viewers to smaller channels.

Honestly, the proof is in the pudding. There are plenty of Western indies who started on YouTube, and only found success after moving to Twitch.
Personally, the only way I've EVER found a new YouTube-only vtuber was from Twitter.

>>66333286
Had the same experience watching Subaru's p5r archives, YouTube is no better these days

>>66346625
I feel you anon... I hope at least she will use her Twitch channel for ASMR as well and not just a one time valo arc or just for playing with her Neopolice friends...

I mean I am glad she make some friends outside of Holo and she have fun, but just feel like she's chasing numbers and tourists nowaday and it make me sad too

>>66347321
>Twitch is way better for discovery
Twitch is so bad from a user perspective that a lot of people won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. A vtuber might fall for the discoverability meme only to find their audience shrinks. Kiara has the right idea; simulcast on Twitch and Jewtube while completely ignoring Twitch chat. That way you get the best of both worlds.

>>66348109
>Twitch is so bad from a user perspective
Said by someone who does not use Twitch

>>66347321
>I don't even get recommended the English small corpos.
>And any stream that isn't the aforementioned is some bizarre Indian spiritualist or something.
Seems like a (You) problem with youtube. I've been on the platform for 10+ years and it knows me really, really well by now. My main page recommended are extremely relevant and it does shill me a lot of 0 views, especially for ASMR.

>>66348170
Holy kek Anon why are you this retarded? Of course I've used Twitch. That's how I know the Twitch user experience is putrid. Try to grow a brain, my man.

>>66348109
>Simucast
Aki is doing that right now, she will livestream on both platform dipping her shoe into the big nip FPS community while also maintain her fan in Youtube.

2 birds with 1 stone.

>>66348228
>I've been on the platform for 10+ years
I created my account in 2007.
My main page is fine. I am specifically talking about the live tab.

>>66348259
What's so bad about it? The UI is sensible and intuitive, the site is easy to navigate. There's virtually no bloat. I genuinely can't begin to guess what your problem with it is.

>>66333095
>better features
Such as?

>>66348464
>no bloat
Oh, so you were just baiting. Ok.

>>66348732
Where's the bloat

>>66348464
my man I think twitch is a much better streaming platform but the bloat on it is fucking awful. visually it's okay but I have a good PC and twitch fucking chugs both loading up and after closing the tab if it's been more than an hour

>>66348992
>I have a good PC and twitch fucking chugs both loading up and after closing the tab if it's been more than an hour
How the fuck

I was watching Twitch on $300 laptops for the better part of a decade and I never had that issue, let alone now with a proper PC
In fact right now, my Twitch tab (a stream + FFZ extension) is using less RAM than my YouTube tab (the homepage)

>>66348228
>especially for ASMR.

I think this one is the key, I also listen to ASMR and every day I get recommended a lot of small vtubers I had never heard about that do some really nice ASMR (that's how I found Sleepy Sheep), and from there it began branching to other corpos like Phase Connect, Idol or VMirai which I didn't really pay attention until a few months ago, YT is even already shilling me Phase Connect's newest gen when I have only watched a Pippa stream once.

Meanwhile on Twitch have to either manually look into the vtuber tag yourself or you'll never find out about new and/or smaller streamers because the Recommended channels section has nothing but big ones like the VShojo girls or people like Bao or Sinder, to mention some.

>>66347321
YouTube has recommended me plenty of small indies and continues to do so all the time.
I've found it way better for discovery than twitch.

>>66349586
>>66349222
to be fair, I just clicked on twitch and this is what its offering me on the main page right now

>>66333286
t. Mouth breathing retard who cant into adblocking

>>66348464
>What's so bad about it
Ads when opening stream, ads during highlight plays, etc.
If you use ublock you don't get ads on youtube, you do on twitch.
Twitch vods also doesnt work with holodex if you like multiview.

>>66349791
Hey look, there's Sayu...collabing with a whore. Ok, nevermind.

>>66349960
Just block ads?

>>66349960
Get an adblocker you crybaby
You don't complain about YT ads because there's a solution
There is also a solution for Twitch

>>66350268
Twitch is constantly wrestling with adblock and you need to find new solution every month
If I'm on youtube I don't have to bother

>>66333028
twitch doesn't has free data package like youtube. It all boils down to this.

>>66349960
Use a Russian VPN.

>>66350094
>>66350268
Also neither of you address holodex not working with vods or livetl for live streams

Can I open 10 different twitch vods and sync perspective 1 by 1 by hands? I can but I won't

Can I just go learn japanese so I don't need liveTL? Nah fuck off.

>>66350345
I've been using the same extension for probably close to a year now
Twitch really isn't trying as hard as they used to

>>66350345
Didnt youtube just attempt a thing where it kills videos if you run adblock?

>>66350461
That's an extremely niche problem so frankly I do not care

>>66350520
It's a niche problem for vshojo watchers yes.
If you are a hololive fans, it's not niche at all to watch vods/multiview/live TL.

>>66350345
They're not, I haven't had to think about adblocking in like a year.

>>66350585
Are you a philipino, by any chance? Perhaps english is your second language?

Twitch should just by default save vods for partners indefinitely and it would beat Youtube as a livestreaming platform

>>66350585
Well frankly it's probably a Holodex issue, not a Twitch issue.
Holodex is obviously pulling Twitch streams from the channel URL, which means it doesn't recognize VOD URLs.
YouTube stream and VOD URLs are the same.

There really isn't anything Twitch could do to fix its Holodex compatibility. That's on the Holodex devs.

>>66350789
>just
spoken like someone with no understanding of the infrastructure google has invested in youtube

>>66333028
Twitch, for all the fucking retarded problems it has, is still the best place to stream overall.

>>66346625
Yeah, it's sad. She was one of the first vtubers I started to actually follow back in 2019. Couldn't understand shit of what she was saying, but I loved her voice and her model was beautiful, so I kept watching. The ARK spam ruined the fun for me, so I barely watch her streams anymore.

>>66332857
Good, well good riddance.

>>66346625
>>66351313
You were never real fans

>>66335588
I once almost won a Twitch Turbo for being Mike Ross and his guest on ProTalk. I could've been part of the prestigious many that handed Mike Ross his ass in USF4, but I failed...

>>66351441
beating*

Twitch is better for the actual streamer, YT is better for the viewer.

>>66351384
Well, back then I knew nothing about vtuber culture, for me they were just normal streamers with an anime girl avatar. If it was fun, I'd keep watching, if it wasn't, I'd just watch something else. So yeah, maybe I really was never a real fan. I'd gladly watch her streams because I really like her, but she keeps spamming a single game again and again and again. I mean, look at that bullshit.

>>66333018
>Is Towa next?
Towa has been streaming on twitch for long time

If a female decides to spend the rest of her life being some guys' cheerleader, Twitch is the perfect platform for her.
Mori was able to show her ass crack to the whole world.

>>66332889
FPBP

>>66333028
>Kick
4chan streaming platform

>>66333028
twitch has garbage VOD

>>66333028
It's like Sony vs Xbox all over again but this time it's about how many anime tiddies are on the screen. As much as I hate jewtube, I'm not going over to chatrubate lite.

I know you holodrones keep sucking youtube’s dick but aki’s general spicy content works better on twitch

>>66333286
>Adblock exist
Are you retard?

>>66336142
Henya is waiting, Aki

>>66348530
unlimited vods (with chat history)
bitrate up to 55 mbps (twitch limited to 8 mbps for partners, only 6 for the rest lmao)
ads blockers work better on youtube.

>>66346625
>>66347925
funny cos for me its very different, these streamer servers/events show how good aki is at facilitating fun with different sorts of people

>>66346625
>>66351313
You two sound like that kapumin schizo constantly complaining about lack of solo streams and whinging on and on about sunk costs

>>66352179
..You do understand what VCR is about right? Time limited hyped events so of course anyone participating is going to spam the shit out of it for 2 weeks to make the most of it. Even Mel and Botan went mostly GTA streams for the period.

>>66356564
>unlimited vods (with chat history)
It's a stream who cares? Watch live or watch clips.
>bitrate up to 55 mbps (twitch limited to 8 mbps for partners, only 6 for the rest lmao)
A valid criticism.
>ads blockers work better on youtube.
Don't care I got no ads.

>>66333028
Twitch has great features like having zero koreans and giving you a list of every black currently streaming on the platform so you can block them all so you never have to see a face that isn't white

>>66356834
>It's a stream who cares?
some vods on youtube have millions of views but, yeah, no one care. lmao.

>>66357276
Yeah Gura's debut and the first week of streaming. That's "some" alright.

>>66332889
Didn't one of the community managers think he was a deer?

>>66357420
this is marine alone but yeah fuck vods right?

>>66346625
I love Aki, but I feel the same.

>>66357515
Who the fuck are these people? Literally who? I guess japanese NEETs that's it. You need to be a special kind of human being to come back from work, sit and watch recording of a live stream with a recorded chat for 4-5 hours straight. Just watch clips retard.

>>66333195
It's not the same, not even close. Let's say that I just recently became a fan of some vtuber and learned that they played a game I love a couple of years ago and now I want to watch their playthrough. Would I be able to do that if they streamed on twitch?

>>66357600
As a Houshou no Ichimi I watch streams and rewatch the vod later. It's the least I can do for her.

>>66333195
Yes, the Twitch community is exaclty the same.
But when i go to Twitch i'm gonna Poggers so hard, i OMEGALUL so hard i'm gonna gachiGASM all over the place. These tribalfags make me FeelsWeirdMan, why can't be we peepoHappy?

>>66357648
Are you so envious that twitch has a free emotes + some unlimited more with a 3rd party addons?

>>66357676
Yes, I'm envious of the constant autism in display.

>>66347321
I’ve only just started watching vtubers and my recommendations are now filled with literal 2view jp chuubas

>>66357714
It's literally the same with YT's chat. Why are you retards pretending that you're some kinda elitists?

>>66357600
"People" rewatch streams to boost numbers. The average watch time for a stream is nowhere near the full length of the vod. I remember Coco talking about her stream stats once and she mentioned that the average watch time for her streams was only mere minutes.

>>66332889
Yea, good luck with that

>>66332857
I support Laplus and Aki.

>>66332889
Maybe if you're a tranny or you're melanin enriched, then sure.

>>66357619
Usually Twitch streamers have a VOD channel on YouTube, so yes

>>66358103
>"People" rewatch streams to boost numbers
That's some Kpop autism, what the fuck

>>66361408
nta but I rewatch past streams for nostalgia

Actually think there isn't a single poster in this thread advocating for twitch that isn't just a disingenuous shitposter who doesn't actually watch vtubers. Obviously you always expect any thread /here/ to be permeated with those types, but it's rare when it's solely those types.

>>66333028
Twitch has no proactive copyright moderation, so streamers can do react content and play music without losing monetization.

>>66364429
Ooooooor you're just retarded and >we hate twitch because twitch fucking sucks

>>66333028
The chat is a lot better, and it's a lot more interactive for the viewers. The only downside is the vod archives

>>66333028
better moderation tools
more features and community plugins to enable more types of chat interaction (point redeems, bit donations, sound redeems, etc)
Better front page discovery for large streamers
Better stream discovery through category/game searches
Better clipping tool
Can use one streamer's emotes in another's chat
Better raid system
Animated emotes

On the bad side:
Worse VOD management and search
Arguably worse community but youtube has its share of autists in chat
Nonsensical and ugly default emotes
Somewhat cringy raid etiquette

>>66367985
>Can use one streamer's emotes in another's chat
This is a con, anon. Not a pro.

>>66368027
It's a pro if you're watching a 1view with no monetization yet

>>66368071
Just use those retarded custom 3rd party emotes or whatever in that case

>>66350466
>I've been using the same extension for probably close to a year now
You're living in a shithole, that's why ads aren't directed into your stream.

Stream on Twitch and upload vods to YouTube. It shouldn't be that hard.
I just don't like the troon admins/ elitist community Twitch cultivates

>>66368100
I'm not installing a special extension for 4chan what makes you think i'm gonna install one for twitch

>>66367985
you forgot: a chat that actually works properly without leaking memory, turning your CPU into a heater or getting "stuck" whenever you tab away

>>66334278
Thanks

>>66332857
Even if i don't hate her i do hate e-celeb content, so bye bye Aki, sorry but i won't support this change on Hololive's.

>>66333195
Funny you say that on a board full of tribalfaggotry

>>66362348
Rewatching because you actually want to watch it is fine, watching it to "boost numbers" is psychotic

>>66368027
How is that a con?

>>66368720
You're using vanilla 4chan?
Dude

>>66368445
I'm living in the US.
It's called Stream Cleaner.

>>66333095
>YouTube
>Better features
Better bait please. Right now they got better bugs than Twitch and that's it when it comes to livestreams. Maybe the permanent VOD storage is YouTube's main redeeming feature here.
At least their trash ad politics haven't reached livestreams (yet)

terminal brainrot from twitch

>>66332857
Nothing wrong with some of the smaller chuubas carving out a place for themselves over there.

>>66334278
thanks anon

>>66333028
>Why do people simp so much for this platform
Nigger people on /vt/ go ballistic at the mere mention of twitch, what are you even talking about. Outside of /vt/ I don't really see platform tribalism, but streamer westerners tend to flock to Twitch because it ends up being more profitable for them all things considered (bigger audience, all the big players are there, better discoverability). Obviously prerecorded content is still on youtube and it probably always will be.

>>66376596
>How is that a con?
This has to be a joke.

>>66332857
>>66332889
>>66333018
>>66333028
>>66333195
twitch JP has a very specific teenage userbase of JP zoomers who are really into Western games like Apex, Rust and GTA, it's a major cultural difference
Depending on your type of content it could be way better for you viewership wise, but when it comes to monetization, bits(superchats), users are way more disrespectful to japanese streamers because they believe they are there to actively make the stream more entertaining as opposed to just supporting them

>>66391285
>emotes that you pay for can be used across the entire site
And the bad part is...?

>>66334278
thanks

>>66395333
They're not part of that streamer's identity or community. Twitch chats are cancer in part for that very reason. No one wants to see your dogshit emotes from outside of the streamer you're watching's chat. You're the exact type of person who rages when they're told to not talk about another streamer in someone's chat on YouTube. It's off topic and looks like shit, always. Not to mention disrespectful to the streamer you're watching.

>>66395617
>being THIS mad over tiny pictures
>"I don't like it, that means NOBODY does"
What's it like to be low-functioning autistic?

>>66397770
>>"I don't like it, that means NOBODY does"
>What's it like to be low-functioning autistic?
I don't know, you tell me?
I'm calling it a con, you retard, that's it. If you want to spam your dogshit le ebin pepe emote #245 in some random 2 view on twitch's chat, go for it. I'm sure she hates you for it.

>>66397958
You just gave me an absolute meltdown of a personal opinion and somehow I'm the autistic one
>I'm sure she hates you for it
No, because if there are Pepe emotes to be used then she has them personally enabled on her channel because that's how the extension emotes work.
And if I'm using another channel's subscriber emotes, she also won't hate it because that's how Twitch works and has worked for over a decade, and is one of the features people enjoy the most.

Literally nobody even thinks twice about which emotes someone is using. That's just a (You) thing and it's incredibly stupid.

>>66398340
>somehow I'm the autistic one
Yes, you are, glad we're on the same page.
>Literally nobody even thinks twice about which emotes someone is using.
You stupid retard, emote spam is literally the number 1 or 2 problem people have with twitch. If you are unaware of this, you've been living in the most secluded bubble ever. This is also one of the main pros to YouTube's chat. Having cohesion with a single community is simply what people prefer on YouTube. Twitch watchers jump around far more than YouTube watchers do.

Literally everybody knows this and (You) are incredibly stupid for not knowing it.

>>66398682
>you've been living in the most secluded bubble ever.
>is literally advocating for the virtues of being in a secluded bubble because m-muh emote spam!!
Dude

Perhaps consider chilling the fuck out, Jesus Christ
You're having a conniption over tiny images on the Internet

>>66400292
>You're having a conniption over tiny images on the Internet
No anon, I'm eating dinner before Fubuki's stream starts. Sorry your headcannon is wrong once again.
Having a "hugbox" like this is a *good thing* anon. When your chat is filled with random bullshit from all over the platform, you have zero sense of self-identity. Your chat's identity is now "Twitch chat" not "[insert chuuba's name]'s chat". Emotes are an extremely important part of how the chat interacts with the streamer, and how many of that community's inside jokes or mannerisms are formed. When you *don't* live in that bubble, none of this can happen. THAT is why Twitch chat is so trash, among other reasons.

>>66400804
>When your chat is filled with random bullshit from all over the platform, you have zero sense of self-identity.
>Your chat's identity is now "Twitch chat" not "[insert chuuba's name]'s chat"
>When you *don't* live in that bubble, none of this can happen.
Yeah, so, as someone who actually uses Twitch and knows what he's talking about, this is not the case and you are being terminally autistic.

There's no reason to continue this conversation because you're operating on a perspective that is built entirely on a one-sided experience.

>>66333028
Twitch is better for streams Youtube is better for videos.

>>66401118
>There's no reason to continue this conversation because you're operating on a perspective that is built entirely on a one-sided experience.
Prove to me how I'm wrong then. How does spamming nyanners' emotes in AmaLee's chat (both are currently live) help grow AmaLee's chat culture. Give me examples how doing this creates an individualistic chat experience between streamers.

I don't even need to argue my point for YouTube, as the mere fact that the mono-culture exists does it for me.

>>66401561
Well, first of all, emotes are not the be-all-end-all of crafting your community. That much should be obvious.

Actually I have an incredibly great example.
So there's this small agency called 3AM. Its members are Meat, Coqui, Callie Calico and Olivia Monroe.
All four of them have distinct content, unique inside jokes and they all run their streams differently. Despite having MASSIVE overlap due to being longtime friends and now co-talents under 3AM, their chats are entirely distinct.
To highlight this very easily, Olivia is someone who prefers to keep her streams "PG-13." She does not swear, she does not make vulgar jokes, she tries to avoid adult topics and uses euphemisms when she inevitably gets into one. The other three are varying degrees of the exact opposite. One of Meat's favorite words is "whore," which you can't even say in Olivia's chat without getting automodded.

To run things back a little
>Emotes are an extremely important part of how the chat interacts with the streamer, and how many of that community's inside jokes or mannerisms are formed
Maybe this is how it works on YouTube, but emotes are not as critical to the formation or maintenance of your chat culture on Twitch. It's supplementary by design.

The chat culture comes from the streamer. The common phrase is "chat reflects the streamer" and that holds true whether they have emotes or not.

>>66401561
nta, he's a twitch hivemind defender no point on continuing if he doesn't want to listen, i wish good luck and fortune to CGDCT and the downfall of e-celeb focues content.

>>66402396
>twitch hivemind
Does not exist

>>66402376
>Well, first of all, emotes are not the be-all-end-all of crafting your community. That much should be obvious.
No where do I say this and you know that (as you literally quoted later on); however, this entire topic is solely about emotes. You're attempting to change the narrative here to fit your example.

To respond to this whole block, you gave an example of a small corpo blocking a word using a chat filter. Something that could have been accomplished on any platform. You failed to address the explicit example I provided, namely: the ability to use emotes in any chat you want, a Twitch exclusive feature. If you want to use this corpo as an example, you need to talk about how one of them uses another's emote to promote the streamer who does not own said emote.

>Maybe this is how it works on YouTube, but emotes are not as critical to the formation or maintenance of your chat culture on Twitch.
This is absolutely incorrect, and you know it. Emotes are even arguably MORE important on Twitch. Twitch is the only platform between these two that literally has a *dedicated chat mode* for them. Only dogwater cookie cutter emotes, like 99% of channel emotes you see on twitch (think that stupid animated one that bobbles its head back and forth, or the billions of "pop cat" edits) do not come from some pre-established meme or inside joke. Being immortalized as a channel specific emote is quite literally the final evolution for a channel's inside joke/mannerism. This does not change, and will forever be true, regardless of what platform you use.

So yeah, you failed to even address the question at hand, and even proved that YouTube is a better platform for this since it has feature parity with the moderation tools you thought helped prove your point.

>>66359893
I also support Laplus's tiny body as I press her against the wall and penetrate her to full depth, pounding her over and over as she whimpers and pants and moans, gazing into her eyes as she lets her fragile, bratty resistance slip away and be replaced with unconditional love.

It's important to support your idols.

>>66332889
Last time I tried to use that website, it was showing me ads even though I have ublock. I just assumed it was a site for braindead people and never went back there.

>>66403755
>You're attempting to change the narrative here to fit your example.
No, I just believe you're overstating the role that emotes have in crafting a chat culture.
To put it much more simply, I believe that the relationship is entirely reversed. The chat culture is what informs the emotes.

>you need to talk about how one of them uses another's emote to promote the streamer who does not own said emote.
The thing about that is that emotes are not viewed as promotional material, or at least not in a way that is at all harmful or unwelcome to other streamers. This is purely a perceptional difference between you and Twitch users.
The point of the 3AM example was to highlight that emotes are not where chat culture comes from.

>Emotes are even arguably MORE important on Twitch.
In the broad scope of the platform yes, emotes are more important on Twitch than YouTube. Part of the reason for this is the large amount of global emotes, and the ability to use sub emotes globally. But this conversation is about their role in creating a chat culture.
What YTfags don't really get is that there are two distinct cultures at play on Twitch (if not more, e.g. flesh vs vtuber culture). There's a foundational, sitewide culture which is more akin to a "language" and set of unspoken social rules, and emotes are a part of that. But within that culture there are channel-specific cultures.
>Twitch is the only platform between these two that literally has a *dedicated chat mode* for them.
Just as an aside I want to clarify that emote-only mode is not there to highlight or put emotes on a pedestal, but rather to restrict chat while still allowing them to communicate in some way (e.g. to prevent spoilers or to stop a bot raid).
>Being immortalized as a channel specific emote is quite literally the final evolution for a channel's inside joke/mannerism. This does not change, and will forever be true, regardless of what platform you use.
I also want to say that, generally speaking, Twitch streamers do not use their emotes to "immortalize an inside joke." Emotes on Twitch are typically made with the understanding that your viewers will be using them not just in your chat, but across the whole site. That said, there are still emotes which are inside jokes but can be used in a variety of scenarios (e.g. Nyanners's "nyannBad" showing her in a jail cell, the "pink cat bad" meme).

>YouTube is a better platform for this since it has feature parity with the moderation tools
Well this is a completely different conversation but if you think Twitch's mod tools begin and end with chat filters and automod... I mean...

>>66404665
Twitch figured out how to get past standard adblockers but there are multiple Twitch-specific solutions these days.