/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6612411
FUCKING
STOP
DOING IT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TASKETE NIGGERMAN IM GOING INSANE

>>6612411
chumbuds are getting the rope.

Can you stop falseflagging for IRyS for even one minute.

I prefer Goomba's voice, but yeah, IRyS' voice is amazing in a different way as well.

>>6612411
it's probably cumkeks or KFPfags made that statements

>>6612411
Her voice is really nice, but she/her roomie seems to only sing the weeb songs that filter me

>>6612411
This but unironically

>>6612411
I prefer Gura's voice. It has more soul

RISU MOGGED
MOONA MOGGED
AYAME MOGGED
GURA MOGGED
SUISEI MOGGED
TOWA MOGGED
HAACHAMA MOGGED
MORI MOGGED
FUBUKI MOGGED
AQUA MOGGED
KANATA MOGGED
WATAME MOGGED
NOEL MOGGED
AME MOGGED
PEKORA MOGGED
SODA MOGGED
KIARA MOGGED
INA MOGGED
MATSURI MOGGED
Azki MOGGED
ANON MOGGED
(YOU) MOGGED

She's a great singer but there's nothing unique about her voice at all.

Doesn't help that her personality is vanilla as fuck too.

I'm OP and I love the most bland things that exist. Don't put salt on my fires.

She's clearly an amazing singer, not 'someone who can sing'. I just feel the power is lacking, may be is the song selection or maybe she isn't comfortable enough yet to let it all out. It sure as hell is getting better in that department with every song.

>>6613080
well tough shit, anon. Vanilla is my favorite flavour.

>>6613080
give her a couple months to properly settle, I'm sure she'll be fine.

>>6613321
Only vanilla flavor that's good is vanilla hentai

>>6613321
LMAO. This made my day

I don't know what it is, but I can't stand her speaking voice so I turned it off. As a layman, she seems more technically proficient than most of the other singers in hololive. But yeah, ain't for me. Rather listen to Mel, Watame, or almost anyone else really

if anything this karaoke is killing every rrat, people are going to still not accept it but deep inside they know

What's so special about her?
Put aside your oshi bias and tell me what making her stand out from other holomembers.

>>6613835
What makes your oshi stand out?

If only she had a voice like Suisei.

there's a difference between she sucks and prefering to listen to others but people is going to say anyone suck just to be contrarians so theres no need for thread as this, you can't stop retardation

Is she singing her EP? 2 songs left. I want her to sjng them live

She sings well, but that's about it. For someone labelled as vSINGER, I can't even put her above Moona, Suisei, Towa, Risu or Gura, and that's pretty underwhelming.

>>6613835
Well, after considering all the other opinions about her, I thought to myself that she's currently a blank canvas. Nothing too special so far. Though she definitely has a good voice. Still unpolished but can be refined a lot further. Once she finds her calling, then we will we able to see that masterpiece.

>>6613949
She sang in English, Japanese, Romanian and French

>>6614399
I'm still waiting for Moona, Suisei, Towa and Gura to release their EP

>>6614509
b-but you don't need EP to PROVE that YOU'Re a BetTER SingER.

chumbud here; irys is a good singer with a beautiful voice; but she lacks it. i dont know what it is but there is something missing. it just doesnt grip you like when gura belted out ride on time or fly me to the moon; or later gems like skyfall or even her covers of ahoy, alive or hinotori

its like the difference between listening to a kick ass bad in a pub vs listening to a classical orchestral piece. i admit the classical piece is beautiful, but it doesn't get the blood pumping quite like that band playing for drinks rocking out like its the last song they'll ever play.

i think the problem with irys is she is just about pro level, but she's only about at the level of a medocre pro; sorta forgettable. where as gura is that one no name band no one went to the music festival to hear; yet everyone cant stop talking about because the live was superior to everyone else

>>6614509
Suichan's 12 song album is arriving in September.

>>6614817
Oh, you're back again.

>>6614817
>Spreading the soul cope from thread to thread

>>6614938
You got no soul, probably ginger too

>>6612411
For me, her stall and dead air in Karaokes really risks filtering me out. We shall see.

>>6614817
listen man you are just a fanboy, that's it, you opinion is not relevant

>>6614817
If you wanna talk about soul, how about mentioning some fucking soul for starts, like Polka and her Proud Idol cover.

>>6614509
She got an ep because she had backing from cover. According to your Logic, Mori with 2 ep is better than her right? And Mori made them without cover backing.

>>6613080
Vanilla has flavor. Irys doesn't.

>>6612923
vtuber audience are mostly weebs, if you arent catering to weebs you are doing it wrong and then are surprised and crying why your songs arent doing well,

>Damn I was nervous
Don't see why i'm not much of a music conoseur but i've listened to Sora,AZkI enough to tell who is classically or otherwise trained vs not and IRyS definitely had training her chords are fucking amazing and that was a fucking warmup probably didn't push herself as high or low as she can go.

HOPE RIDES ALONE
https://youtu.be/TZsUAqaOiHU?t=11

>>6615330
She wasn't trained. She only watched YT tutorials for voice warmup

>>6615328
>Mori doesn't cater to shit
>Still does well
Explain

>>6612411
She can't even stay on pitch. She sucks.

>>6613470
This isn't reddit

>>6612411
cope, she has no soul

>>6615414
mori got people listening to her that dont like rap. That's your explanation.

>>6615424
Timestamps
Please no ratts

>>6615514
Sounds like the point anon made is irrelevant then... doesn't it?

>>6612411
It is amazing but... it's not within my taste.
I might as well have shit taste then, huh.

>>6614886
>>6614938
>>6615009
>>6615095

all this samefag.

>>6614817
I'll explain why IRyS doesn't do it for you. She sings in the Japanese style like a Japanese idol. with little to no vibrato, more in the nose then in the chest. yes she has a beautiful voice but to most westerners it will sound weak and forgettable.

weebs more familiar with Japanese singing will probably like IRyS a lot more then someone who doesn't listen to eastern music

>>6615670
Finally, someone gets it.

>>6612411
>are you motherfuckers deaf? i understand loving your oshi and thinking she is better than the others but they are not even close to this level
Faggot be fighting with his own words

>>6615670
Pretty much. People that highlight Gura only highlights her English songs. Most of you chumbuds disliked her new song because it's not what you liked even though it's a weeby song that the same people that likes Irys will also like

>>6615459
Yes it is

>>6612510
Good riddance

>>6615516
NTA but eh, not gonna bother. There's a couple of fumble here and there. But people tend to overexaggerate as if it's career-ending for her. As if other Vtubers had never fumbled before in any karaoke stream. Yes they can argue that because she's a Vsinger instead of a Vtuber she should be held to a higher standard. But asking for someone to sing up to Gura standard is just unrealistic. Hell I will bet some schizos here would unironically make a thread about how IRyS copied Gura's vocals if their voices were similar. I see some people be putting too much expectations on her and while it shows that people are paying attention to her, it's like they're expecting her to solve climate change when the only thing she can do so far is plant a fucking tree.

ITT, I can say that this stream is a mighty generous 7/10 for me because while I do like Aimer and a couple of JOP songs listed, I feel that some of those longs listed are within her comfort zone. Rather than me posting about how she should sing and shit, I would rather that people should let her be so that she can find her own voice so that those "SOULCHUDS" can shut the fuck up about no soul. You think Gura just magically sings good when she started streaming? Fuck off man. Her voice is proof that she had sang for a fucking long time. It's just that we only notice her singing this good when she started streaming.

>>6615670
Also fuck you. I can safely say that I am just one of the few "samefags" you accused.

Her karaoke was like visiting an art gallery. Great pieces but not a whole lot of excitement for a non-musical person like me. Had to crack open an energy drink to stay awake till the end.

if youre a watching vtubers and arent a little bit of a weeb then you are a little lost and got your priorities wrong. And wont find what youre looking for.

Find some hoe with 20 viewers to have a parasocial relationship with or something.

>>6615670
It's the reason they love Reine belting long notes so much (Lion, etc.), all westernfags ever understood is POOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHRRRRRRRRRRR

>>6615206
This. IRyS is more like plain yogurt if anything. Flavourless.

If she's planning to sing japanese-only, why didn't she sing some moe songs? Songs that most western weeb fans have heard before. (Renai, K-On etc.) Would have connected better with the targeted audience. I hope she's not going to be a DIVA type.

>>6616447
This is just 9 songs. You can't fucking expect a lot from the 9 songs. They were great songs but from what I can tell she was just choosing what she liked. She wasn't thinking about numbers or uwu shit

>>6612411
Kiara's Arch Nemesis.

>>6616447
>I hope she's not going to be a DIVA type.
what part of vsinger did you not understand

>>6614399
>Risu
>Moona
Anon, please. Either you're one of them or just fucking deaf beyond salvation.
>>6614817
>listening to a kick ass bad in a pub vs listening to a classical orchestral piece
Pleb problems. I like the first option too but a classical piece will always be superior no matter what, there were multiple times where I felt more emotions during classical concerts than during any normal concerts.

>>6616440
i wanna squirt my syrup on that plain yogurt

>>6616447
>moe songs
Don't do this to me, anon. I know I'm weeb but even I would prefer JP grunge over them.

>>6616440
>IRyS is more like plain yogurt if anything

My favorite kind.

>She loves Yorushika
EN is saved. You fags keep on sailing with your burning EN1 ships. I'm jumping the bandwagon

>>6615670
>>6616404
Honestly this. That's why this board likes Sui-chan so much. I mean Sora has a lot of power too but her singing style is still more idol-like.

>>6616447
if anything, i'm glad that she didn't sing any of those roommate covers. chat was just pathetic

>>6616641
I'm a little upset that she didn't sing her songs. Why. Shill it. Here Comes Hope would have sounded great live

>>6616440
Nah. Irys is more like a wet diaper that needs to be thrown in the trash. Basically IrYs must graduate.

>>6614436
Who?

>>6616447
Anon... I love moe but even fucking children who became "weebs" half a year ago know Silhouette and Homura because Naruto and Kimetsu no Yaiba.
>>6616599
FYI, Ina also does (she's not that good at singing but she's mostly on pitch even if her voice is weak, which is much more important for me personally), but yeah, I get what you mean. If I had some doubts before they're all gone now, I'm really happy with this song selection and her voice and singing manner.

>>6616730
Coco Gonzalez of course.

Is she supposed to be the best holo singer...?

>>6616861
Anon... she most likely is. As much as I love Sora, IRyS voice control in live singing is on another level. Sora becomes just too loud and overwhelming sometimes, but IRyS dynamic is better. I think she can be compared to Azki, but personally I don't like Azki singing manner where it feels like she's on the verge of tears that much.

>>6617010
Inochi intensifies

>>6617010
>she's on the verge of tears that much.
That's called having a short breath. It is her biggest weakness. Like Suisei having little to no transition. You listen enough and understand their strengths and weaknesses.

Irys has almost no off-key moments. That puts her in the upper tiers of holos, like Gura. But she lacks Gura's unique vibrato, and her breath is, while not as bad as Azki, not the best either, and she shares Sora's distinct nasally voice when she tries to go high. In other words, Irys is in a strange position. She has a lot to work on, that's for sure.

>>6612411
I listened to her cover of Homura, and I have to say LiSA was way better, so I don't think IRyS is that good

>>6616722
Not the time yet anon. I think she save it for some future events. Reminder that Azki's next concert is around the corner

>>6617321
Nah gura is waay better than Lisa. Trust me im a vocal trainer

>>6617444
>>6616722
Yeah not the right time yet. It would be like Gura singing Country Roads very early on in her career.

People were asking for Renai Circulation and that's clearly not the right move right now.

>>6615670
Top Japanese singers like Aimer can sing with vibrato, smooth pitch transitions, so on. Most just avoid doing anything too difficult like that.

Cumsharts are seething and coping over IRyS

Reminder to ignore any and all cumsharts pretending to be singing experts.

>>6617901
Yup. Let the fanbase get used to her first and let her get used to the new environment. I feel like today she havent shown her real power level due to being too nervous. The next time she on her best condition, people will blow their mind when she finally live singing her EP

>>6618114
Wrong image

>>6618064
Rumao
Stop projecting your cope on cumkeks

>>6618131
Anoncham...
>Also reminder that the doxxcord niggers server has been shutting down. So expect them to falseflagging at the designated SEAnig hours

>>6618165
See example here : >>6618162

>>6616574
KYS

>>6612411
https://youtu.be/Ybk0TLI2lnE?t=207

>>6618127
I reckon we'll get a good taste of what she can do when she starts releasing the Hololive song covers each week (so that we have a pre-existing studio quality song to compare between).

But I mean she launched her EP a day after her debut. Is that not enough to show people her vocal talent?

>>6615670
But to this anon's point here, she's expressing her talent through weeb music. I don't think anyone else in Hololive can sing Homura as well as she did today, even if she did mess it up a bit due to being nervous.

>>6617901
While I do think it's probably much too early to be singing something like Renai Circulation onstream, I can understand some of the people asking for it. Following a talent to a new home can be a scary thing, and doesn't necessarily always work out; some people are just desperate for some level of reassurance, in whatever form that might take.

This likely doesn't account for everyone making requests for a given song in chat, of course, but still, food for thought.

>>6618517
I mean for now, just don't expect her to sing any song that's still has on her roommate's channel. There are songs she has sung in her past livestream's (which are all privated now); those she will probably be more likely to perform.

>>6615670
>weebs more familiar with Japanese singing will probably like IRyS a lot more then someone who doesn't listen to eastern music
This is either hamfisted or about a different kind of "eastern music" than I know. I listen almost exclusively to JP and Chinese ballads, while avoiding western rap like the plague. Some generalization like "no vibrato" or "weak" is just completely off the mark and spreading cultural misconceptions. Listen and feast on the vibrato from a song everyone in Asia grew up with.
https://youtu.be/oHRvg_mQ144

I can give more modern examples if you need. If your point is however confined to "JP idol music", which probably translates to "AKB48 music", then that is even more unhelpful because it's no secret most of those girls can not sing (let alone talk about higher techniques). I was an idol fan, but I don't pretend that's good music. As a "weeb more familiar with Japanese singing", I know Irys has room for improvement. Here is a live cover of Homura that I actually like.
https://youtu.be/O9kjH_GvINg

her first EP is kind of meh to me, at least that's my impression from the previews. her voice is definitely melodic, but lacks power behind it, or maybe that's only because of the songs (even during her utawaku).
pretty chill singer overall if you just wanna vibe.

>>6618605
Typo: I meant "I beg you". But if you want Homura, she also covered it.
https://youtu.be/h_woI7uwGnQ

>>6618131
>quora
Seriously, nigger?

>>6612411
>MOGGED
will she ever recover?

>>6618692
I'm sure she's crying about some literal who when she has 3M subscribers.

>>6613080
she barely debuted and already doing better than Myth when they started

>>6618779
she is fine.

>people wanted new Gura, but we get EN Sora.
just adjust your expectations to it.
and i

>>6618779
>Better than myth when they started
That's not true anon..... How new are you?

>>6618892
Sora has a good design and without the chuuni lore.

she didn't sing a single fucking english song, she's is good but she definitely is a JP reject and will never deserve de title of EN Vsinger, even Ame deserves it more than her

>>6619221
This but unironically

>>6618592
>those she will probably be more likely to perform
This much is true. Even just from this stream alone, I can recall off the top of my head that she's done karaoke for at least a number of these songs before.

>>6619097
1. discussion was about her personality
2. do you ever think about chuba's lore after a week after her debut

>>6619221
Your obligatory (you), sirchama.

>>6612411
I feel sorry for Irys and her real fans.

>>6619221
>>6619231
I mean does hololive has any English music right other than country road? This is an archived stream so she can’t sing any English songs.

>>6619293
>Pour fuck tons of money into ENGLISH vsinger
>Can't get perms for a single English song.
Yea cope harder bud

>>6619293
Cover can go get them if they want, but Kiara said management requires cover songs to go through JASRAC.

>>6619349
>Pour fuck tons of money into ENGLISH vsinger
so
>Can't get perms for a single English song.

>>6619293
that would be plausible if her original songs weren't all in japanese too

>>6619447
did you listen full versions?

>>6618716
poor gura, all her fans see her as a fucking number and nothing else

>>6619293
>>6619447
Her old setlists had English songs from time to time. Mostly memes and/or really famous stuff, though.

>>6619658
this>>6619380
+she was indi in her past live, so no corp bullshit

>>6619728
Ah, I wasn't saying that as in people should expect English songs out of her, just commenting on what we might see on occasion in unarchived karaoke streams. If people are looking for English music, honestly, IRyS probably isn't the place to go.

Moona is the EN vsinger in my heart
she's more burger than any of them

>>6619851
>unarchived
i will say vtubers(2dAnimeGirls) isn't the place to go. at least if we talking about company founded on pure weeb culture like cover.

So like..... Did everyone forget this songs exists?
https://youtu.be/A9HY4DsRTCg
Bow down to the true English vsinger. You people crying about perms are retarded. She has no reason to not sing a single English song.

>>6620084
It's a shit song anon, people want to forget it.

>>6620084
My girl wanted to show off her skill and range through appropriate song
do you realy want ANY EN song just for the sake of it ?

>>6620152
Objectively incorrect.
>>6620207
Detecting high levels of cope in the area. Please relocate to somewhere safe and post again.

I do not care about complex musical terms. If a chuuba karaoke makes me want to go back and listen to it again it means it's great. Moona, Risu and China make me feel like this. IRyS doesn't.

Why does Kiara hate IRyS so much?
Some of the rrats I've heard about behind-the-scenes bullying sounds almost nijisanji-tier. Kind of fucked up to do this to her when she doesn't even have any genmates to back her up. She just has to sit there and take it from this narcissistic bitch.

>>6620412
>believing rrats
Kiara is a bitch but she would never do that kind of thing, Irys even wants her to be her first collab partner

>>6620084
>Forgetting about the legal shit happening with Red Heart
I'm just glad that song is still alive in Haachama's channel

>>6620412
yours?

>>6620371
IRyS sounds like singer #537821
Literally nothing unique and overall forgettable as hell.
I enjoy Ame way more unironically because at least you can tell she has fun and you know who she is when she sings.
There is nothing more offensive than being boring when you sing.

Damn, the amount of soulfags cope ITT

Both gura and irys have done “i beg you” by aimer

I like gura’s version better

I bet that if gura did a cover of HERE COMES HOPE… it would sound better as well

>>6620412
I don't think Kiara hates IRyS the person, but she's ultra jealous of IRyS the Vsinger who gets tons of support from Cover to make music while Kiara got jack shit for support.

>>6619221
Based garlic poster

>>6620544
The amount of people who don't actually enjoy or know anything about music cope.
All the "music terms" talking about IRyS are really embarrassing themselves pretending to know anything.

>>6620550
cope

>>6612411
Too bad her face and hands filter me

>>6620685
See for yourself?

Gura
https://youtu.be/NcQvNIfRTmA

Irys
https://youtu.be/rFXcz2qF2rk

>>6620868
seethe

>>6620868
oh god, it's you again but with a different cover comparison.

>>6620923
https://youtu.be/pCC6qbAnX00
I dunno man, if I was to watch any of them, I would go for original and Gura... Irys is just copying the singer.
>small cope: Gura doesn't speak Japanese

>>6612411
have her sing christmas carols. that will be the final test to determine whether or not she is a good singer. if you disagree you are wrong.

>>6620868
I just realized why Gura's singing is popular. She has that habit of putting erotic tones on her songs like Roboco.

>>6620868
Ok, I'll take this bait.
To put it in simpler terms, IRyS is like listening to this song at the concert. She's not that pro but she has technique and consistency, she almost didn't mess up timings, her voice flow was consistent. Her version is good because any voice sounds good when a person is on pitch and has proper technique, no matter if you like her voice or not.
Gura's version is like listening to a girl in some high school contest. She might be not trained (either herself or with a trainer), but she gets by on her raw emotions and her unique timbre which attracts many. She messes up timings and dynamic multiple times, but you like it more simply because the girl herself is more endearing to you because she was your crush throughout school years or something.
Now think about it. Who's more worthy of being a Vsinger? At least semi-professional who can deliver different types of songs consistently or your high school crush who happens to have a nice voice?

>>6621014
Literally deaf, Gura deliberately tries to imitate Aimer's manner as much as she can here. Not a bad thing btw, because it's a fucking cover after all.

>>6621076
She hates Santa, Gura wins by default
https://youtu.be/8WnBpbHzhEQ

>>6621147
btw this is her 1st karaoke as single member of Vsinger gen of Hololive EN. just want to point this out. nervousness is a factor too.

>>6621014
>>6621176
You both are fucking deaf, they are all imitating the OG, Gura just doesn't know the lyrics and requires more practice, Irys on the other hand sounds flat in some parts and has trip in the middle of the song

>>6621241
Now where did I say that IRyS isn't imitating? They are both trying to and I actually agree with every point you made

>>6621217
>nervousness is a factor too.
BUUUUTTT MY PROFESSIONAL SINGER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6621143
NO GURA CUTE CUTE NOT SEXY

>>6619911
>Moona is the EN vsinger in my heart
>she's more burger than any of them
You can stop replying to this thread, you can't refute this anon because he is right.

>>6621366
CUTE AND FUNNY UUOOOOOOHHHHHHH

>>6621147
I think the person who is going to appeal to more people should be the Vsinger not whoever has the better "technique". If you chose 10 people off the street and asked them to pick who sounds better I can guarantee you the majority are going to pick Gura. It's like the Naruto vs Pain fight, technically it might be well animated but it still looks like shit to the average person not that Irys sounds like shit but she certainly is only at the level of Towa, Kanata, and Watame. Gura may lose in skill but she unironically has "soul" because she actually puts emotion in to her singing which is why she regularly tears up in her karaokes something that isn't going to happen with Irys.

>>6621803
>inbox S0Vl
EN audience cares more about performers, rather than music. Just take a look at covers, the ones that have better performer is going to be more popular.

>>6621803
you can go either way (technics(AZKI) /personality(Calliope)), but you can't put "plain doll" in front of people just because of technics and skills

Irys is getting the numbers, got into the charts and the live views. I don't know why you retards talk as if you represent the majority.

>>6621803
Leave my oshi out of this, anon.
Go compare IRyS to other chuubas.

>>6622019
Ironically this, no matter how good original can get, if you like the performer more it will sound better to you.
https://www.nme.com/photos/30-covers-that-are-better-than-the-originals-1405281

>>6613080
>>6615206
>>6616440
>criticizing using food

>>6622244
>66
>222
>44
What did the numbers mean by this?

>>6621803
oh god, it you again "soul"anon.

>>6622109
she will come for everyone

>>6621803
>>6621147
Not sure how exactly to articulate it but at least "I beg you" I preferred Gura's singing, but I preferred IRyS' "performance". I prefer the Japanese-idol type so naturally I'm going to favour IRyS more but that doesn't mean I don't think Gura is equal, if not better, at singing than IRyS.

Gura is no idol and IRyS is no Adele/Celine Dion but to Cover, IRyS is the right Japanese talent to invest in who has the added bonus of speaking fluent English.

>>6622447
Gura sang it like a crooner. Irys sang it like the original. Both are good. It just depends what you prefer more.

>>6621324
You try going from a karaoke audience of 1000 (in her past life) to 36000 now, along with all the retards who think she needs to be Adele or Beyonce to live up to the VSinger title.

>>6621803
>>6622019
>>6622197
>muh SOUL
Wow, then I guess I'm Asian now even though I'll never be a Japanese

>>6622545
You are a mutt, 9r a jew. You got no sovl

Levi's 3D debut is declining after the skits. Peak was 51k.

It's kind of sad that the Pekora x Noel collab can actually beat this 3D debut if it wasn't a split stream. Pekora has 41k and Noel has 31k right now.

>>6622730
Its a female in Nijisanji. What were you expecting. Nijisanji fans only watch the males.

ITT: People unironically can't feel emotions in music and still act like they know what they are talking about
Anyone posting this "muh soul" shit is an actual non functional autist. If you can't feel music you should actually do the world a favor and never reproduce.

>>6622745
Just you wait until some people complain about IRyS not having enough S O U L in a kyary pamyu pamyu song.

>>6621803

Stop using cringe vague words like "soul". Describe the girl better. A better way to describe her singing is that it has a unique vibrato, unique timing and emphasis. Also, at higher notes, Gura's transition into her head voice / falsetto is butter smooth, and packing a kind of power that probably only Suisei can match. Example: when she got to the "I belong" part in Country Roads.
https://youtu.be/L77WpA6a_jA?t=83

Irys fell behind both Gura and Suisei in those regards. As people point out, Irys has excellent control elsewhere. But just the vibrato and strong transition into head voice alone make Gura more recognizable to any listener. It's not simply "highschool girl" stuff either. Those are skills many singers wish they had and they stick in your head forever. A non-holo example: just listen from 00:10 to 00:24 of Hachi's cover of Kimi no shiranai monogatari.
https://youtu.be/kh6sjK6GKVA?t=10

>>6622888
Oh it's you again, the one with more musical knowledge anon.

>>6622942
Not sure what you are referring to but if you mean the people who pretended to be vocal coaches in that one thread, I'm not them.

>>6622942
Don't fucking argue with someone blessed by triple 8's

>>6623004
lmao how about no.

>>6622976
Well, one thing for certain. You don't need to use fancy musical lingos to prove your point that Gura sings good. For goodness sake people, it's times like these where some things are better answered in primitive ways.
You like IRyS? No.
You like Gura? Yes.
Why? I like her voice.

There. Simple isn't it.

>>6622888
>This nigga thinks having a soul is cringe
Ginger atheist detected

>>6622745
Fucking THIS. How do these people even listen to classical music if there's no singing? Do you unironically think it's all soulless?

>>6622888
>packing a kind of power that probably only Suisei can match
I think Moona and Flare can also belt with the same power, but yeah most of the holo girls sing like "idols" and seem to avoid singing with power. Irys might show us some of it if she sings different songs, like english songs. Girl was probably nervous since she knows people are going to hyperanalyze her first karaoke stream anyways.

>>6623112
If all you need is a statement of preference, then what you want is a poll instead of a discussion thread. When you watch game reviews, you want the reviewer to explain what is good or bad in their opinion (so that you can judge yourself), instead of just slapping a score at the end without explanation. Same thing here. These discussions are only interesting when we attempt to explain what we think is good or bad. Not about making everyone agree, but about judging the points being raised. And other bystanders can actually gain something instead of just poll numbers.

>>6623256
Don't bring classical music into this discussion. You're gonna make it lose its soul.

>>6623256
For the sake of clarity, are you saying that playing an instrument allows for less individual expression than singing? Or are you just playing the devil's advocate?

>>6623394
But IRyS doesn't perform classical music?????

>>6620868
Holy shit Irys’s cover was pretty damn impressive. This is probably my fav hololive version of I beg you so far

>>6622745
>can't feel emotions
3:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFt-Kf0QB-c

ps
she is not crying irl btw
do it perfectly every time she sing this song.

>>6623384
Fair points anon. I will suck your dick as an apology.

>>6623431
Holy fuck you are retarded.
Are all IRyS fans like this already?

>>6623483
That you think I'm a fan when I'm not suggests you're not even clear in your own thinking. But from that accusation I can guess where you stand and what you mean now.

>>6623580
Calm down with the pseudo intellectual shit dude.
r/atheist

>>6623890
Calm down, I understand your point anon. No need to go deeper.

>>6620565
It's fairly understandable why cover doesn't want to support someone with the shittiest voice in Hololive.

>>6620868
Get these fucking anime secondaries out of my sight, make way for the real type-moon autist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb0sOV3W5VU

>>6623394
>>6623431
What the fuck are you both talking about? I was just making a joke coming from chumbuds inability to perceive singing as soulful if it's good technically and close to the original. I think these people would have trouble with finding le soul in instrumental music too.

>>6624307
The only Type-Moon autist is the one who played the games. Does any of them fit this criteria?

>>6624777
Sorry anon, I can never tell who is doing ironic postings on threads like these?

>>6624777
I can safely say I no longer care about le joke.

>>6624236
If it wasn't for Kiara's unbearable character voice, she might be an okay singer.

And let's face it, even if she were to release music, I'd just wait for Gura or IRyS to do a cover of it and listen to that instead.

>>6614817
with gura u can hear the emotions and the smile

>>6614817
>>6615670
>>6615670
>>6617319
>>6621147
>>6621803
>>6622888
Finally, a reasonable thread of responses with regards to voice and not just personal tastes. With regards to Gura, her bad point is that she's afraid of the high notes most of the time thus uses more headtone than a mixed one.

I just honestly wish there is a thread or even a discord where we can just analyze the music and voices of our oshis without flinging shit and resorting to ad hominem attacks.

>>6624815
ina plays fgo (best fate), so yes.

>>6625135
no one really cares who sings better, they just want to make other people take the bait, are you new?

>>6625281
says the master baiter who projects his own idea onto others

>>6625308
Gura sucks get over it.

>>6624777
>chumbuds inability to perceive singing as soulful
Nigga you are arguing with the chumbuds not against them....
You really think the people saying IRyS music has no soul compared to Gura aren't Gura fans?

>>6625375
(you)

>>6626475
What's with /vt/ reading comprehension today? I'm literally arguing against chumbuds, because they fail to see soul in IRyS singing because she's "too technical", "not emotional enough" which is complete bullshit.

>>6627232
Ah so you are not only retarded but incorrect thanks for the clarification.

>>6627232
So wait.... You are arguing against chumbuds by agreeing with someone who is probably a chumbud who is saying that people bitching about chumbuds talking about soul in music are dumb and you are agreeing with the people he called dumb correct by agreeing with the person who called them dumb.....
And other people need to learn to read? How many drugs are you on anon?

>>6614817
You have to consider the song choices too though. Gura's karaokes tend to be famous slower, acoustic songs that connect on an emotional level. That's like 80% of the work. Even mediocre singers can sound fantastic singing those songs. And Gura is an absolute ballad specialist - she's S+ tier in it for me. Her vocals match those songs extremely well. But when you look at her official covers/collabs, they really really fall flat in comparison. And to be fair, some artists are magical live vs. in the studio and Gura seems to be one of them.

The songs IRyS are singing are pure anisongs. Some are great like Homura, but others just don't really connect as emotionally to a Western audience, especially when EOPs like everyone here don't understand the lyrics. And admittedly her voice isn't very unique in the same way that Gura's is immediately distinguishable so Western audiences are even less inclined to connect to it. You'll have to wait for IRyS to cover the same types of songs Gura is to make a true proper comparison.

>>6628798
I'd like to just note a couple things you say that EOPs can't connect emotionally because they don't understand the lyrics but I speak nearly fluent Japanese and I felt absolutely no emotional connection to her singing whatsoever.

Also on the note of Gura's collab cover songs all of them were absolutely auto-tuned and over-edited to fuck and back because for some reason the Japanese are incapable of just not doing that.

>>6629330
> I speak nearly fluent Japanese and I felt absolutely no emotional connection to her singing whatsoever.

Fair but you also come from a Western perspective and I'd argue that plays a big role on the connection front. To give an example, most people would say Suisei is a top 3 singer in HoloLive but I don't connect to any of her songs either. And on the IRyS side, out of the 9 songs of her setlist, only 1 one of them (Homura) I would say actually is a true acoustic ballad.

> Also on the note of Gura's collab cover songs all of them were absolutely auto-tuned and over-edited to fuck and back because for some reason the Japanese are incapable of just not doing that.

I half agree with this. Through the mixing/mastering process, things do definitely get lost. However counter examples for me personally would be Towa's Pallette, Moona's Chiisana Uta, and Okayu's flos where regardless of the Japanese still mastering they still sound absolutely great to me.

I do think song choices matter a LOT when doing comparisons like this. Right now the proper comparators would be the other HoloJP girls who sing these J-pop/rock songs. We need to IRyS sing English songs like Gura does or Gura sings J-pop/rock if we want to make comparison threads that aren't just bait.

>>6629871
Great points I agree with pretty much everything you said. But I raise you this compelling argument that I have spent hours constructing.

English vsinger.

Good singer, problem is there is no shortage on good singers. Need to have a unique trait to your voice for it to really catch you.

Must say really like Roboco's whisper singy voice, first time I heard it.

>>6622888
>Stop using cringe vague words like "soul".
A better way to describe her singing is that it has a unique vibrato, unique timing and emphasis. Also, at higher notes, Gura's transition into her head voice / falsetto is butter smooth, and packing a kind of power that probably only Suisei can match.
I think what they mean by soul is emotion and emphasis on each note, which Gura does well. Also you’re right to point out that what Gura is doing to sound better is actually technique, but she often never gets any credit for it. I think it has to do with it being hard for others to explain, so people default it her being “unprofessional”, rather than understanding that there is actually skill involved.

Also people point to IRyS have a wider range from low to high, but IRyS doesn’t seem to have as much of a low, and defaults higher than Gura. Gura’s voice starts much lower, but hits some highs like in this song at 1:48:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4muRkNPuQco

>>6632053
is this the new dogfucker quote?

>>6632053
Alreadt saw your pasta in that other thread.

>>6632103
Not an argument. Point to how I’m wrong.
>>6632152
Not a pasta. The first few sentences were supposed to be green text (for quoting purposes), from the person I was directly replying to.

pretty much everybody outside of /vt/ likes her unanimously. she’s only hated here, which isn’t surprising

>>6632255
It's not called "seething" or being a "dogfucker".
It's called being a committed fan to the holoFightZ universe, you stupid faggots. Korone had a fucking storyline going as the heel and was going to finish her revenge arc, but no, the OP has a fucking massive boner for EN and decided to let Ina win for literally zero reason.
It's just sad that good writing and story-telling and world-building is ruined by one fucking mistake. Ina didn't deserve to win at all against Korone because
1. She's not a well-fleshed out character yet. No storyline. Just bullshit, cheap wins against midcarders because OP is probably a takoshitter.
2. Korone had her own storyline and she's an established wrestler in the industry
3. Korone literally beat Luna in her prime, she's much better than Ina in that sense. If you compare Korone's all time peak to Ina there's no comparison.

Just for reference in case you didn't get what I was saying. Not trying to prove you wrong or anything. Just saying that the whole thing is a REAL cope for an already dead discussion that almost every falseflaggers, chumbuds, irystocrats and musical cunts concluded.

>>6632420
Everyone is hated here to various degrees. But to be fair, you probably can’t even give valid criticism on Reddit at all, so this place can at times point to legit problems ignored on other sites. So it can both be good and bad.

>>6632420
I mean reddit is complaining about it to and if that hugbox can agree on something slightly negative you know is a bigger issue than it seems.

>>6632420
If you want something completely objective, here are her numbers trailing off. Were everything alright, then IRyS's numbers would still be strong side.

>>6633795
Well, she's not a phenomenon like Gura. Expect steady +2-5k growth.

>>6633921
If want a spicy prediction, her growths going to slow to a crawl from my observations. Serious black sheep syndrome here and a lack generation release momentum.

>>6618036
aimer is a singer, vtumors are idols.
and yes there is a distinction

IRyS... retweet AZKi's live, please...

>>6612411
do you watch her first karaoke? her singing voice was shit. gura is still better. IRyS singing voice is generic

>>6633795
What timezone is that based on? It's only halfway through Friday in NA

>>6634160
这里只能说普通话罢了,英文禁止

>>6635204
Here Zhang, you can only speak English, Mandarin is prohibited.

>>6633795
>>6634636
I went and checked Holostats. It's EDT. What a retard

>>6612411
>not even close to this level

JUST BECAUSE SHE'S ON KEY DOESN'T MEAN SHE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE CHEWBACCA BEING RAPED IN THE ASS

counterpoint

https://youtu.be/Tqv2QfbVYDk?t=186

I just think her voice is kinda faint and unremarkable, she's a trained singer sure but her voice doesn't have a great natural quality. That's genetic lottery, though. I think the language skills weighed more in the selection process. I'm sure she's aware of it too.

>>6613080
Have you seen Gura's debut? Hell, fucking Haachama "character development" over time. It's been like a week, the girl gotta find her niche first.

>>6622888
>>6623298
You're both faggots for talking about vocal power and not mentioning Towa.

>>6612411
compared to other hololives, she's above average but not amongst the best.

>>6636101
that's not a good counterpoint. she should probably sing with her natural tone.

>>6637257
She's not a trained singer. The most trainig she did was watch YouTube tutorials how to do vocal warm-ups

>There are fans who won't admit their Oshi has a shit singing voice, but love when they sing anyway because they're energetic about it

Marine is the current most impressive singer of all female holos.
she often sings with "humor" like exaggerating or doing moe voice but she actually can truly sing.
Her lows notes are as good as her high notes.
Her voice is versatile, she can sing in multiple registers.
Able to sustain notes beautifully without the need of a vibrato which is how you recognize a natural talent.
Her vibrato is fantastic, calibrated like clockwork.
Her voice is easily recognizable which is the most important thing for a variety singer.
With a vocal coach, she could do amazing.

Just listen to this 60secs song to see how her voice is rich. she goes from high notes to lower notes with such ease.

https://youtu.be/GAALMTRIZlI?t=2128

Her singing Ai wo Torimodose (You wa shock). it's a difficult song where the first part is sung by a baritone while the second part by a countertenor.
she sings the You Wa Shock with a stupid moe voice but the rest is gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAALMTRIZlI&t=1720s

To think she was a mere salaryman before joining hololive.

>>6643093
Sorry, chief, I like Marine and all, but her live singing usually suffers from her being off pitch. She has vibrato yes, but she needs to work on that control. Marine is the type of singer that sounds better in recordings, since they can do corrections there.

I feel like it comes down to the issue of the label 'Vsinger'. It simply set a bar too high because the 1st Gen included Gura and Calli. If Irys had been adopted as one of the Gen 2s, she would have been more easily welcomed as a streamer good at singnig.

>>6645223
Not simply a name change. She got her own animated MV and EP lined up right at her debut. That's a level of investment never seen before for any other hololive. They are literally betting on her way more than any holo. So far, the initial buff is there so we can't gauge how successful she will be in the end. But things are looking good as the positive hugboxes like reddit promote comments that praise how godly Irys is at singing, while burying the ambivalent and critical comments.

Let us bear in mind that there are many people who unironically think Pekora or Ayame is their favorite singer in hololive. With an audience that uncritical, Irys doesn't even have to be the best to actually do well. It will take quite a while for the hype to die down and for people to see the ambivalent comments and accurately understand where Irys stands in terms of singing skills.

>>6644949
her "real" voice is actually much lower, quite low for a girl, but beautiful. sadly, she sings mostly with her moe or idol tone from her head voice which is stupid but the Japaneses seems to like that.

https://youtu.be/VNMZ5DByTZw?t=113

also, it's hard to sing a song on the spot, even the great singers like Celine Dion or Elton John have vocal coaches to train them to sing specific songs. but you can tell marine is immensely talented.

>>6647458
You have a point. I've learned from Matsuri's clip that Holomen have to incur all the costs for their original songs. In the case of Irys's songs, she probably didn't.

But it makes me all the more wonder why Cover is trying to sell Irys as a singer. Inflating talents' appeal more than their actual skills is a typical method of marketing in JP idol industry, while the EN management is alleging that HoloEN is a group of professional content creators rather than idols.

>>6612411
She is like gura, she come from a millions of subs channel
She is just yet anoter safe bet product for the holo brand

>>6650176
Irys still sang exclusively JP songs and her streaming time is aimed at both JP and EN. She is probably also in Japan. I'm not sure you can flip a switch and have the company turn from JP conventions in an instance, or that they even bother with that much.

Keep in mind that Irys, while not exactly the next coming of Whitney Houston, would be a virtually indistinguishable drop-in replacement for singers of anime OPs and EDs. In other words, she is good enough. In recordings, she can perform mythroid songs just fine, as those songs aren't exactly opera-level demanding, and there is always editing. That can prove useful if hololive branches into anime, and her experience in working with anisong composers may have been a factor in hiring.

There is the possibility that she was actually the best singer among the applicants in terms of skill, but somehow I doubt that. Another possibility often raised is that the suits were convinced by her popularity. Hololive doesn't always pick the most popular person (many holos were virtually unknown before their hiring), but maybe the high level of capital investment this time requires them to pick someone safe and popular instead of unproven. Probably only Yagoo would know, but he isn't likely to say anything in public except positive praise.

>>6651482
>Probably only Yagoo would know
Everyone knows her fucking roommate
Bitch can only sing Japanese

Setlist is boring.
Singing is good but does not catch me.

Unironically I'd watch Noel and Choco karaoke over her.

>>6612411
Gura>Irys>Sui>Azki>Sora

>>6651139
>millions of subs channel

I want her to sing more English songs.

>>6655131
with any luck maybe in unarchive karaokes, otherwise is likely permission won't allow it

>>6620868
Irys knows the song. Gura barely knew the song because the lazy brat practiced it 2 hours before as usual. Simple as.
Outside of the few she knows by heart, Japanese songs will also be a problem for Gura because she's reading off the romanji transcription on YT karaoke videos and half guessing on everything else.

>>6612411
Gura is a whole tier above IRS

>>6615395
He doesn't know

>>6613597
>if anything this karaoke is killing every rrat, people are going to still not accept it but deep inside they know
Deep inside they were so uninterested they didn't sub.
>>6633921
She's down to 7K in the last rolling 24-hour period already even with the VOD available. People are simply not that interested in her singing. Hugbox enthusiasm and 4chan contrarianism can only carry so much. For reference, Gura's first unarchived karaoke got her from 15K/day up to 22K/day for three consecutive days.

>>6622244
They want to eat her out.

>>6635518
That's funny,I WANT to hear Chewbacca getting raped in the ass.