/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

No one wants to watch men pretend to be cute and seiso. At least with high-voiced women you can fake it.

Except for, like, Marine, who is a disgusting old witch that deserves to be thrown into a lake with chains wrapped around her legs.

Hololive family doesn't apply to the homos so barely anyone from the holo side checks them out.

>>6532526
>FB_IMG

Weebs are afraid of the dick especially purityfags. Its hard to be in a parasocail relationship with a guy. Then there's the fact only one or two of them are charasmatic.

Because they're not male while in Nijisanji? Though, I probably shouldn't say that since not all males on there are Kuzuha or Kanae levels. I guess it's just the luck of the draw. I think they benefited hugely more so relative to how they were before HoloEN, especially Temma who is EOP friendly with his 50+ day english study streams. We've only got 2 more holostars to get to 100k subs which is more than I can say with how many have over 100k subs in NijiID. The answer is only 1 with Hana Machia.

>>6532575

This is pretty much the case. Holostars are considered a different branch and they get very little cross-promotion.

Like, if they even did something as simple as letting the Holostars play on the JP Minecraft Holoserver they would get huge boosts of popularity, but Cover doesn't want to risk their "idols."

>>6532745
Not cover's fault anymore really. The talents know what they're doing and they get a shit ton of money from unicorns when they don't interact with males.

>>6532567
>nobody likes sensitive shota-kuns

Some combo of:
In general there isn't as much addtional appeal avalible to the pretty heavily male view orientated overseas weeb audience. Most of these types are watching vtubers because animu waifu doing cute things/not cute things.
For regular content, there's already a lot of very popular western streamers and any people after that sort of content aren't going to pay much attention to the model or vtuber gimmick, and thus they're not going to bother trying to learn a new language to get this content when it's easily avaliable in their own language. And thus there's no real benefit to trying to watch vtubers for this content when that's already established content there.
For homos in particular, and why they haven't benefited from the holoboom in particular, the obvious mentioned one eariler is just that they don't have any consistent presense in the main branch. While there have been a pretty limited number of collabs and even ages ago they'd appeared alongside holos in at least one event, there's just outright not enough exposure of them during collab or passively for there to be significant bleed-over. While ID wasn't as unpopular as them even with around the same release time with their first generation, ID didn't face a massive boom until they had presense in the minecraft server and the pekomoona stuff happened. Of couse, once the two were both in the public eye as part of the same company the bleed over effect became much stronger even without addtional collabs, though obviously that increase volume of inital ones helped solidify this base. i.e. no consistent collabs, especially across various members of both branches means there's literally zero reason why there'd be any association between the two, and thus any actual bleedover of viewers.
Addtionally, while most of the homos are actually like, somewhat capable of basic english stuff, they haven't really had a proper billingual who could easily grab and interact with english speakers over a regular stream, and thus combined with the alreadly low preference for male vtubers, it makes it very hard for them to realy gain any meaningful growth from EOPs a lot of the time.

>>6533361
Cover certainly takes some of the blame. They debuted in 2019 at a time where things like pic related happened yet there was a formal ban on the groups even mentioning each other. Matsuri and Fubuki both felt it was the right thing to do to help their coworkers out and if it had been done sooner, the group might have been on better legs before the Hololive culture shift cemented the separation between the two.

Unicorns are fucking scary man, at this point holostars only way of growing is catering to non-japanese speakers.
Roberu is literally scared of interacting with the girls and get bombed with schizos.

>>6532567
Hi there, Marineshizo how are you? Why didn't you make your regular Marine thread today?

>It's all hololive's fault bacause they can't collab with the girls or play on their mc server
If they need to leech off the girls then they don't deserve to succeed.

>>6533695
Yeah that's why I said "anymore". The way they were handled in the beginning absolutely fucked them, but at this point with a small amount of EOP spill over from Hololive and the restrictions gone they could've blown up since the audience now eclipses the audience Holo pro had as a whole back then. But at this points it's the talent's choice and the segregation of the Homos has continued since then with only Calli breaking that trend.

>>6532526
Cover is actually very poorly managed and hololive was a stroke of luck that didn't repeat

>Arlandis

>>6532745
I would stop watching Hololive if they let them interact with males

>>6533772
>schizo
marine is a raging whore, and she's open about it

>>6533740
my son........

>>6533946
I really hope it happens then. Weed out the unhealthy from the fandom a bit

>>6533695
the culture shift in the company is fucking wild man. Miyabi basically debuted alongside arbiters of, "NO MALES" (gen 3) and had an uphill battle. It was already an uphill battle but the girls from older gens weren't strangers to male collabs, but once they saw the bank the "pure" girls were making they swore off males all together and tried to pretend things like those collabs never happened. And of course the pants on head retarded complete separation that was forced in the beginning. It was already too late once the ban was lifted and fubuki, matsuri, and choco tried to resurrect the dead in the water holostars. I guess I can't entirely fault the hustle of milking unicorns, but I really respect what fubuki and the others did and I'm glad the boys have been able to prove that they don't need the hololive name to be successful.

>>6533740
if any of those smelly unicorns started brigading roberto I'd go full hiroshima mode on those japs.

>>6533946
God I wish that'd happen. Most Holo girls should be big enough to discard the schizos who controlled their streams with daily akasupas but Yagoo recruited introverted doormats who are afraid of crossing anyone even schizos. The sooner you and you lot got discarded the better the Hololive experience for the rest of us will be.

I hate to be that person but I'm sad at how many EOP fans they have in chat, because sometimes they don't listen. Nothing wrong with EOP alone, but it leads to some really awkward moments like no one getting when Astel was upset over Coco

That's a new low, Redditor
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/ojr8aw/

The very same reason this board discusses stars less
Males really just have lesser appeal

Why don't the EN collab with the homos anyway?
They are supposed to be like the ID in that they are not idols but merely streamers who don't follow the idol culture bullshit, and yet the only one who has made an effort is Calli.
Spiral Tones is such a cool tone, wish they just did more of that like the IDs to.

>>6534484
Rikka will be Calli's 3D debut for sure and they will sing that song together.

>>6534484
can't speak nipponese, and they don't collab much with the nipponese girls already.
only kiara is the exception, and she wants the simp audience.

>>6534484
Language barrier.

>>6532526
during coco’s graduation stream all coco had to do was ask her audience to subscribe to each and every homostar and leave their streams on in the background
but no one has ever promoted the homos

>>6534435
It's sometimes very weird to realize that a good chunk of the Stars' audience has no idea of what they're talking about, which results in the boys not having as many fans they can actually interact with and like you said it leads to very awkward moments where they don't even try to read the mood. They deserve a fanbase close to home.

>>6534871
That's begging, not promotion. Promotion is having them appear on her stream just as all the girls did.

>>6534297
I think the culture shift would have happened anyways, Idol-bu would have still imploded and sent its fans looking elsewhere.
That said, I think it was surprising that and I gained a lot of respect for Nene standing up to her unicorns going Holostar anti in her chat after she mentioned Aruran's name in regards to hearing of his axolotl breeding setup. It would have been just as easily to not mention its origins and pretend she saw it on a random Youtube video.

>>6534963
>Nene standing up to her unicorns going Holostar anti in her chat after she mentioned Aruran's name
source and/or timestamp s'il vous plait

>>6534963
This true? That peach girl continues to impress me week by week.

>>6532526
>Why are Homos not popular baitthread #9001
You guys never get tired of this huh?

>>6533946
kek, congrats. You are an incel and unicorn now according to homofags.

>got more promotions, sponsorships and costumes than IDs, even ENs
>m-muh poor homoboys
kys homotards

>>6532575
>>6532745
People still think lack of exposure is the problem?
Anyone who is remotely invested in Hololive and looks at the official website, stream schedule, or uses communities like 5ch or Reddit can't avoid knowing about them. The official Hololive twitter also constantly tweets their streams and announcements.
Fubuki has been shoving Oga into everyones face for over a year and yet he still has less subs than Izuru who only ever interacts with other Holostars.
Every time there's a Holostar x Hololive collab there's a ton people praising them for "giving love to the boys" and thousands of people watch the collab, then a few days later they're back to streaming to their usual low numbers because even those saviorfags or beggars don't stick around to watch the Holostars own streams.

Most of the Hololive fanbase just doesn't want to watch them. They get better results when they interact with Nijisanji or Animare or any other relevant Vtubers.

>>6534963
Nene is one of the rare based Holos.

>>6535087
>>6534963
She just told the chat to behave and then also avoided saying his name again after that.

>>6532526
nothing really
they just get unreasonable hate because incelts hate the fact that they work under the same company as their gfe

>>6536985
not only that, there's also closet homos, actual homos that thinks hating them somehow stops them from being gay

Which Holos have never done a male collab? I wouldn't count incidental stuff like Kiara's convention interview as a collab, I mean a formal one on one or group collab. All of ID have. Only Mori in EN has. Has anyone in gens 3, 4 and 5 done it?

>>6537166
Yeah, but not officially anyway, and the gen 3 ones are buried deep within the Lost Archives from the HoloCaust ARC

>>6536531

Knowing they exist is different from actually seeing how they are on stream. Moona's been around since April 2020 but it wasn't until she got the Pekora shachou bump that people really started to pay attention to her.

That said, I don't have any hard data to back this up. If Astel's numbers went up after he started having regular Apex with Ollie though that would prove it.

>>6537612
Astel's numbers went up thanks to his success in Apex tournaments. Ollie boost wasn't as big.

>>6532567

So stop watching Vtubers then

>>6534871
Why would you expect something from someone who made an excuse, that her interacting and dropping by many times in a graduated homo chat was due to the sleeping pills she was taking.
That time when she started including them in her meme reviews, was because retards wouldnt stop bitching each time about how homos should be included in them aswell, so that was her attempt to satisfy them and dodge the subject altogether once and for all.

>>6537612
>Knowing they exist is different from actually seeing how they are on stream.
>Fubuki has been shoving Oga into everyones face
>IDs collab
>mori collab
>holocomi
>matsuri collab
>choco collab
>sora on a totsu
>suisei radio
>roboco totsu
>thousands collab from non holos
anon...

>>6536985
Nah dude
the real reason these otakus hate them is because they represent everything they aren't
charming, fun, outgoing, but most importantly, they get attention from girls

>ungrateful bastards are blaming the gachikois

>>6537983
>they get attention from girls
that alone is enough reason for incels chuds to hate

>>6536985
>>6537050
>>6537983
>samefagging this hard

>>6538064
why are you gay?

>>6532567
kys

>>6536985
>Incelts
Look I was born in Scotland I didn't choose to be celtic

>>6537886
>stop bitching each time about how they want her to invite homos to her reviews
Typo, this is what i meant to say* ^^^

If I want to watch a man I'll just watch podcasts or something like metalworking videos.

Being a fan of some of them, seeing all of them getting 3D, a concert at the end of the year and even that event where they didn't even have 3D models and instead used cardboards to talk and make announcements being advertised, I can't really blame the company. It's really about the content, Aruran is easily hitting 1~1.5k with his blue oopa grind suffering, but the moment he goes to something less interesting, he drops to around 300, which are his most devoted fans. They need to keep doing more interesting things to turn more casual viewers into hardcore fans who will stick with them when they're doing boring shit.

>>6540427
>They need to keep doing more interesting things to turn more casual viewers into hardcore fans
Astel just won a fucking Apex Tournament recently and impressed many in the previous ones with his 1vs3 clutches and aim. Shien's recent 3D debut was one of Cover's best ones to date. Oga created a game with SOUL in a mere 3 days, and was about to share it with everyone in Hololive because they were not allowed to play NKODICE, so imagine if that happened how much recognition they wouldve gotten (but that didnt happen thanks to that insecure fucker who got salty that Oga created a game better than his)
Its just that theres not fucking enough people who cover and clip all of that when in contrast, for every 1 Holostars clips theres like 10 000 Hololive ones and thats just daily speaking.

>>6540960
>Its just that theres not fucking enough people who cover and clip all of that when in contrast
Do it then, fag

>>6540207
Ah yes the good old retards hating on their own gender, and you wonder why youre still a virgin, women dont like faggots like you.

>>6540960
I don't personally care about APEX, but I believe you on that, Shien's 3D debut was indeed awesome, I loved it, but it's the kind of thing you care about if you already care about the person, or at least to me it is. I don't watch random 3D debuts for no reason. When I say interesting things, I also mean easily digestible. Most people won't watch a random dude making a game. It is very cool content, but I still think it appeals more to the audience who already cares about him, or is a little less stupid. You can say that the audience that will be attracted by more easily digestible stuff but not genuinely good content is retarded and unwanted, and I will agree, but then there's no reason for us to be numberfagging here.

>>6541061
>hating on their own gender
Not him, but there're many better FPS streamers than your homo. And I watch them too. I watch hololive similar to how I treat CGDCT.

>>6541027
I would if i could, my laptop cant even fucking handle minecraft and run OBS properly

>>6532526
Japanese idolfaggotry, EOP filtering and dogshit promotion since most of the girls won't go near them. Pekora even used to make jokes about how she'd never collab with them.

I hope they get more of a boost from EN/ID in the future since they were included at AX and both Ame and Ollie livetweeted Shien's 3D debut, and IIRC Kiara maybe hinted at a collab one day at AX, but we'll see.

>>6541140
>Pekora even used to make jokes about how she'd never collab with them.
Source or i call it bull

>>6533964
Stop pretending to be a newfag, Marineschizo, we know it's you.

>>6533946
I know this is bait, but I just like pointing out that it's already happened numerous times.

>>6541172
its the same guy who made more than 20 Marine threads the past month, with the same image and filename

>>6541140
>dogshit promotion

>>6533946
Why are you still here then faggot?
Why didnt you hang yourself already? lol

>>6541061
You've got the wrong impression. I actually do watch podcasts and crafting videos. Men don't need a vtuber persona for me to find them watchable. They just need to produce content I'm interested in. I'm not interested in men doing idol stuff.

is this the containment schizo thread? I see a bunch of familiar faces.

>>6541383
>OH NONO NO NO

less women need a 2d copium dealer

>>6537612
Someone in the numbers thread produced a graph if you are interested >>6501145
>>6540427
>boring shit
Excuse me, I follow him a lot, but I would say he has one of the most varied and fun content among Holostars like fitness streams, airsoft ASMR, cool celebration streams, solid setlists in utawakus, varied games or playing with DJ controllers. Recently, he is also doing vtubers interviews. I consider all of this as interesting stuff, but it has limited audience who stay there beyond the memes because they resonate with him and find his content cool and comfy.
If anything, his Apex plays work well and that's what I would really consider as boring shit.
He is also producing his own clips and is a big hardworker in general, but you can only get that much recognition alone. I suppose it is up to his fans to spread the good words about him.
And about the blue uprp, I doubt people stay around just for the suffering, if he really was uninteresting, the live viewers number wouldn't stay stable for 3-4 hours.

>>6541383
meds

>>6541736
Is that your way of coping?
If thats the case then its quite pathetic, because i honestly expected more cuck-dono.

>>6532526
>Their biggest channel is under 200k which is nothing compared to their female counterparts
You were complaining when they were at 2k, you were complaining when they were at 20k, you're still complaining when they're close to 200k. Most of them are successful vtuber, many of them have more success than the average niji/re-act/whatever. Hololive is just an exception

>>6534297
Didn't some of them said relatively recently that HoloStars originally weren't even a serious, serious project, but was formed because Yagoo really wanted it to the point he was willing to act as their manager for a long time? Things started getting (slowly) better after they got actual managers. That showed us that as much good wills Yagoo might have had, having someone acting as full-time manager will always be better than letting your 0-experience IT CEO trying to do it.
I'm not totally sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason for the original separation was because Yagoo had no clue what to do and others didn't want him to accidentally fuck the girls side up too.
Whatever, they have been slowly inclining. I don't watch them that often, but I hope they will have their time soon.

Because male vtubers viewers are
>fujos
>homos
>western pronouns faggots
In the begining they collab with females who killed the grow in any of these demographics, no fujo or homo want an hetero couple in vtubing, and the sjw crowd don't want a lolicon corpo.

>>6542005
>>homos
>>western pronouns faggots
You pretty much summed up the entire fanbase of Hololive. Well done, you played yourself.

>homofags fellating each other

>>6541921
>>6542081
average shart "fan"
ignore ignore this thread

>>6532526
Weebs don't care about males. It's that simple. People watch vtubers for the cutely designed girls doing cute things while speaking with a cute voice. You can't get that with a guy.
>b-but traps!
No! Where are all the super popular trap vtubers? Just face the facts. Weebs want girls.

>>6541436
>I'm not interested in men doing idol stuff
I'm getting a Deja-Vu but i'm not sure from where......oh right :
>I'm not interested in women doing idol stuff, i dont like Kpop shit
Wasnt this what every person was saying when they first discovered Hololive? lol the irony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Aj1VJA7Yw&t=6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nzBXhA09jg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Xig5XEtOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzd8VcqGUJU
https://youtu.be/HVZKQqk8l8U?t=168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzd8VcqGUJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJftv1aNj6I&t=8s
https://youtu.be/9tpftFjnF68?t=434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3eZL0VSl6A&t=97s
https://streamable.com/kowhs5
Dude, just say that you dont know anything about them and leave it at that.

>>6543382
>People watch vtubers for the cutely designed girls doing cute things while speaking with a cute voice.
Weebs aren't people.

>>6543634
So do you, tranny.

>>6543382
>speaking of facing the facts
>deliberately omitting Nijisanji males mogging the shit out of their females
Yeah, stop talking from your ass while pretending you understand shit

>>6541721
Sure, I agree. What I'm calling boring shit are mostly things I enjoy watching, but also things I probably wouldn't give a shot if someone I didn't know was doing them. I'm now one of the 300, but wouldn't have become one if not for the english meme streams last year, that's what I mean.

>>6543646
Fujo's don't count.

>>6543675
That's right. Only Incels and unicorns do.

>>6543675
You don't count too, you will never be japanese and your oshi will never be your girlfriend, let alone notice you.
Keep tilting at windmills to avoid facing the fact that your life is pathetic.

The shippers are mentally ill women who can't be real anime fans so their opinions are better ignored. I can see this thread has a high amount of women posts so that explains why it is so hostile and angry.

>>6543675
Sure, but "Gachikoi Unicorn IdolButas" are cool.
Literally the worst kind of breed, theyre nearly on the same level as KPOP Stand kek.

>>6532526
I've been watching them recently and I'm honestly baffled too. The fact niji guys like Gwelu Os Gar (confirmed married and with a child he tweets about often) and Rikichi Joe dwarf fucking SHIEN in popularity is absolutely insane to me.
>"Well those two are ugly enough that the male audience doesn't feel gay/intimidated"

Ok but even then is someone like Fuwa or Akina really THAT MUCH better than Shien or Roberu? It just doesn't add up to me.

>>6532526
The main problem of the male part of hololive is that the target audience is quite small.
Male streamers in the west work well in 2 ways:
1. An alpha figure (father figure) that gives advice and shows an example of behavior.
2. Parasocial bro to hang together.

The Holostarts guys get clips, and a small boost to popularity every time they fall into one of those categories, but they usually don't stay there.

What the fuck is wrong with homofanbase? They always blame and attack holofans.

>>6543675
Sure, but "Gachikoi Unicorn IdolButas" are cool.
Literally the worst kind of breed, theyre nearly on the same level as KPOP Stans kek.

>>6544043
Sure, but "holostars fan" are cool.
Literally the worst kind of breed, they're nearly on the same level as KPOP Stans kek.

homos are actually inclining a lot right now, you'd know if you didn't just use them for rratshit

>>6544081
>the state of Astel's fanbase in a nutshell

>>6544081
Imagine deflecting this hard.
You never see them sperg out when their oshi collabs with someone with the opposite gender, "unlike" the other side of the coin. Did you know that your oshi's fans went batshit crazy when they saw a menstrual cycle app appear in her apps background, they thought she had a boyfriend and were constantly seething lmaooooo

>>6544423
wait sauce on this? spoonfeed pls

>>6544423
>You never see them sperg out when their oshi collabs with someone with the opposite gender
If you're not that new. :^)
>menstrual cycle app
You mean shitposter just like you huh?

>>6532526
Vtubing is driven by a mans desire to feel a romantic connection with a women, and the romantic normality that comes with it. A man would simply find a women they love but more and more men are incapable of that, as that number grows GFE style parasocial mediums grow. Homostars simply dont cater to that need, and are not competing with regular chubbas but are instead competing with people like PewDiPie. The popular ones are the ones that either get fujo simps or the tap into other markets like Roberu.

>>6544423
>p-please don't stream over the chaddest winning son
Shame homo, shame.

>>6534235
Then Cover goes bankrupt, all of vtubing runs on gachikois. The type of man who buys all overpriced buttons and dakimakuras from his oshi is not the type of men who wants to see his oshi with other men.

>>6544037
Not sure if bait but this is actually true, and really annoying. I just want to talk about the homos.

>>6544606
Here's their next move.
>b-but the thousands normalfags viewers and subscribers
Free entertainment faggots and clipfags deserve the rope. Don't forget that FBK is swimming in money every time she does some GFE shit like ASMR.

>>6544475
>>6544495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91FJ6qTbXv8
She also deleted a livestream where she talks about how she cant talk with men, and dont want them to cut or touch her hair when she goes to the hair salon lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcMsf83FiWw
That was a smart move from her part, when you know what kind of fanbase do you keep around.

>>6544699
Look man, lets just be real. Vtubing money primarily comes from men who are delusional and lonely. All vtubing, all of it, on some level, runs on some sort girlfriend simulacrum for the lonely men of the modern age. Doesnt matter if its Hololive or Vshoujo, all of it taps on that natural desire of a man to feel the emotional embrace and familiarity of a women.

>>6544752
Based rabbito, I'll keep supporting her as long as she doesn't collab with the homos. And don't forget that she didnn't want a male doctor then she said that he gave a good impression. Just ask if you want some info about Pekora :^)

>>6544606
>>6544699
Unicorns are pests who are only tolerated because they bought their way. They think they are entitled to shit just because they gave away their money while they won't be remembered at all, so the only way to make themselves known is to cry harder whenever they feel unsecure.
A vtuber who is watched by no one but them is worthless, no matter how much you hate "grey names" and "freewatchers". Pretending the opposite is silly when holos themselves can't help unconsciously comparing their views and subs between each others. That's the essence of youtube channels to aim to get your metrics higher.

>>6545178
>he thinks unicorns and fujos aren't the same thing

>>6545178
They can get very easily ditched at any moment by the talent. Just start collabing with men. They'd throw a tantrum, but will eventually just leave if you keep doing it.

The reason they don't is because they still want gachikoi money. If you're selling something, you don't get to whine when your customers demand that you deliver. You come off as a whiny child if you do that. Just stop catering to them and take the paycheck hit if you really care about your freedom to work with men.

>>6532526
You need to consider what people's intentions are when they decide between watching a male or female streamer.
When I'm in the mood to watch something cute and get GFE I'll watch a girl streamer.
When I'm in the mood to watch something genuinely funny and entertaining, I'll watch a male streamer. The difference is that girls having anime avatars directly helps add to their value proposition, while it makes no difference for guys. So holostars aren't competing with hololive, they're competing with all male streamers in general.

Once you look at that comparison you'll find that they are far outclassed by bigger streamers like jerma, moonmoon, etc.

>>6545251
fujos are living rent free in your head ever since you are in this thread.
All I see in this thread are probably just bunch of sad anons larping as gachikois when they pay at best their oshi with ARS, if they give something at all.
As long as they don't prove otherwise, I will believe so.

>>6544606
Maybe that would happen in the jap side of things. EN already has done this and while people were upset the majority were hyped about gigguk. Purityfag and hardcore weebs Got no power on the EN side.

>>6544018
Niji bigger than Holo in japan is not just a meme. And Cover keep fucking them doesn't help either

>>6544037
These people here care more about "BTFOing the toxic purityfags" or whatever than actually watching any of the Stars. Most of the Holostar fans tend to know their place.
Similarly there's also a lot of the girls fans that don't care that much about male collabs but don't want them anyway just to stick it to the annoying Homobeggars.
I know because I'm one of those people.

>>6544523
Nice nitpicking faggot, youre acting like theres absolutely no bad eggs in any fanbase.
For every "1" person who shows dicomfort and dislike towards Hololive members, theres like a whole "sea of shit and smear words" thrown at the homos just for the simple fact of "existing", just search "ホロライブ ホロスタ" and keep scrolling through new and you'll find a whole load of em. Get better bait next time retard.

http://vtubernews.jp/archives/10460171.html

Also Nene "just mentioned" Aruran and an idea she copied from his oopa loopa minecraft streams and got "hate for it" .You lonely unicorn scum are truly the worst.

>>6544523
>d-dont watch the homos, they make a better man than i'll ever be and theyre a threat to my immersion
Shame incels, shame

>>6544522
>>6544861
Homostar fags won't touch this. We all know that the vast majority of vtuber audience is male, and that's because we live in an age of neo-harems where if you're not an exceptional male you're not going to get any female attention (while the exceptional males get multiple women on rotation). In this dystopia men turn to porn, video games, but now also vtubers to fill the void. Why would I want to watch something where I'm getting e-cucked when I can just go outside and get IRL mogged?

>>6545852
>http://vtubernews.jp/archives/10460171.html
>Also Nene "just mentioned" Aruran and an idea she copied from his oopa loopa minecraft streams and got "hate for it"
I knew unicorns were utterly pathetic and sad, but this is just new levels of low.

>>6535087
https://youtu.be/IYSg5hVIzfU?t=5518 start of it
>>6536891
she said more than that
「マネちゃんじゃないと(分かんない)、いや、えでもさ、ホロメンの良くてホロスタさんの駄目ってそんな変なルールあるん?ホロメンはだって同時視聴できるわけじゃん。え、アリじゃない?
ブーホロスタは駄目ですーとか言ったらそんなん…何かイジメみたいじゃん」

>>6547104
>「マネちゃんじゃないと(分かんない)、いや、えでもさ、ホロメンの良くてホロスタさんの駄目ってそんな変なルールあるん?ホロメンはだって同時視聴できるわけじゃん。え、アリじゃない?
>ブーホロスタは駄目ですーとか言ったらそんなん…何かイジメみたいじゃん」
i wonder why no one has clipped or made a video about that

>>6535530
I'll bite: the only ones with more costumes are from Gen 1 who debuted between June and October of 2019 (they have 3), and Gen 2 who debuted in December of 2019 (they have 2). ID1 debuted in early April of 2020, a few weeks before Stars Gen 3, and they had a new costume WAY before JP Gen 4. Also, all the Stars costumes are themed ones, none of them have personal stuff yet, while the first costumes EN got were personal ones, and they got it before all the other gens too. And if it wasn't for Covid both ID1 and EN would already have 3D models while ID2 would be teasing theirs, since they're way over the average time it took for the other recent gens to receive theirs. Gen 4 got theirs 6 months after debut, and Gen 5 got after 5 months (not counting Nene because of the whole base model rework), while it took 8 months for Rikka, and a whopping 15 for both Roberu and Shien, and only now they're ramping up the Stars 3D debuts because they finally announced a live show. Stop acting like they receive better treatment other than the bare minimum.

>>6547200
Because most of us Holofags dont care about anything else other than rrats and the warmth of our oshi.
Something like dignity, justice or common sense is none of our concern.

I watch two (2) and honestly that's enough for me.

>>6543675
Yes they do retard

kys

>>6547200
All it would lead to is Nene getting more hate for it. What she said was the right thing to say as a human, but not a very smart thing to say as a Hololive member.

>>6546732
this is some /r9k/ logic

>>6533913
> with only Calli breaking that trend
What? Fubuki semi-regularly collabs with Oga, Iofi and risu collab with Oga and Aruran, Ollie collabs with Astel, Matsuri collabs with Rikka sometimes...
Why on earth would you single out Calli?

>>6550790
Either he meant to talk about HoloEN or he just never watched any collab Fubuki, Matsuri, Choco or the ID girls had with the boys. Considering how dumb the collab beggars are, it's probably the second option.

>>6550790
Seems that he was talking about the new members that joined after the forced segregration ended in 2019, but he forgot about HoloID.

>>6547104
But isn't she asking if it's ok to watch him on stream to do the same thing she did? And people saying she should probably ask her manager on chat? Isn't that the context?

When she said "it's like bullying" everyone started to laugh even. Nobody seemed pissed.

Apologies if I'm missing something.

>>6533913
choco, fubuki and matuli did collabs all the way back to suzaku. matsuri even called tenma "キシドテイ" hilarious I know.

I think what most beggars fail to see is that both the boys and the girls are performing here, and that means to cater to an audience. It is OK if the girls don't want to collab with the boys, because that's what their audience whats and they are giving exactly that to them. GFE stuff might be an act or not. Jesus, Polka drop the knife but watching it is a conscious act. It's not like the fandead of rushia have the self-determination of a kid and are FORCED to watch her streams or that Rushia will drop dead if she stops doing GFE and become homeless the day after.

What beggars need to understand is that both the fans and your oshi are adults, and that they are responsible for their actions. People like Noel are the best, because they have said "I won't collab with m*les because that will piss off my fans". They were clear on what they deliver to their fans and do not act as if holostars didn't exist.

God my blogpost is getting hugeAnother thing is that the homos are not dying to collab with the girls either. Beggars say "oh it would be SO GOOD WHEN COVER FINALLY LETS THEM COLLAB TOGETHER" but do they even want that? Oh shit, it's almost as if they didn't wanted to. Fuck, what was that, Roberu collabs with a ton of women???? Astel has done recent collab with women too???? b-but... hololive...
What next, the homos want to have fun and collab with their friends and numbers are not their priority so they'd rather not bother with hololive? Jesus the outrage

Really, sorry if you read all this. 4chan is not really a place to have a sound mind and concise arguments. My last argument is that beggars make it seem like the girls are DYING to collab with males but those evil unicorns don't let them

>>6551569
After having comversations with collab beggars on here I realize that no one can come up with an interesting HoloJP x Holoatar collaboration, it's all based on 'they have the same theme' 'they both like food' type of comment. I don't know what the fuck they're begging for. Or something like Izuru and Mori which will never ever happen. It's just numberfagging in the end. They always bring up the lower sub count when actual watchers of the boys can proudly say they're inclining recently.

>>6551760
I agree. I lands more on my opinion, but to me collabs gotta have some sort of catch to them. Monster hunter collab #24!!! is not as attractive as Rikka tone with Callipe Mori!!! or First time minecraft tour on the JP server with nene and polka!!!! so the question is:
>what reason is for a boy and a girl to collab besides force feeding the viewers?
Shit, I can even give you beggars a good collab concept CONCEPT. Because jesus, that would go so so so wrong
>Making Aqua master rank ft. Matsuri and Astel

Another point I didn't bother to mention is that the people that can confidently LIVE out of streaming are a few, and I don't think even all of the hololive girls can do that. My point is that streaming (vtubing) is a hobby for most or a part-time job. Profitable, but not your main source of income. This means that Vtubers' intention will be to have fun or have a lot of fans listening to their covers or developing a fucked up relationship with them I am looking at you, Kaniko so that's yet another reason for the boys to don't care and do their thing. H*ck they even want to DISTANCE themselves from hololive and make their own "brand"

>>6550790
>>6551062
yeah i meant new members and i did forget about ID. But ID's always been unchained so them collabing left less of an impression,

>>6547533
>they had a new costume WAY before JP Gen 4
Gen4 got their 3D.
>Also, all the Stars costumes are themed ones, none of them have personal stuff yet
Same with ID.
>And if it wasn't for Covid both ID1 and EN would already have 3D models
indogland has a 3D studio because FBK collabed with a 3D indog chuuba, Cover just doesn't want to do it.
>Stop acting like they receive better treatment other than the bare minimum.
>more promotions and sponsorships even though IDs made more just 'til recently
Yeah, my points still stands. Homos aren't on bottom of the rung.

>>6532567
Marineschizo we missed (You)

>>6551569
I'm not asking for collabs though my post def makes it seem like it is. They were treated like second class citizens within their own company. Noel flat out talked about how she felt bad ignoring their existence and then went on to talk about how she's bad with men. Rushia's freakout when Temma's schedule was on the holo site is just, sad and disrespectful y'know. Coco blaming her interacting with Kaoru on sleeping pills, Watame having to justify her replying to Kaoru on twitter. And this is just shit off the top of my head. The collabs we already get with the Holos are a ton of fun, and obviously the beggars go from there and think more collabs with more mems would be just as much fun without thinking of all the pretty autistic and awkward collab combos in Hololive already.

>>6532526
What they need is holostar EN to show them the way. Western male streamers have proven they can get more popular then girl streamers even. Preferably one that can aslo speak Japanese. Or a Japanese one thats fluent in English would still work. Wouldn't fix everything but it might atleast break them out of their bubble

>>6551760
>no one can come up with an interesting HoloJP x Holoatar collaboration
What about letting Amelia collab with Shien or Astel since she very clearly wanted to and likes them?

>>6552910
>she very clearly wanted to and likes them
Money matters.

>>6552180
>Same with ID.
And ID1 still has the same amount of costumes that Stars Gen 3 has. You can't compare them with other gens that debuted before. And they'll definitely receive personal costumes before any Star.

>indogland has a 3D studio because FBK collabed with a 3D indog chuuba, Cover just doesn't want to do it.
Cover being retarded with the whole tech thing doesn't mean they treat ID worse than the Stars, and they never had a collab ban with the JP girls like the boys had during their first couple of month. Also, ID1 already said their models were ready a long time ago and they're just waiting to travel restriction to be dropped, while we only heard about the rest of the Stars 3D a few weeks ago.

>more promotions and sponsorships even though IDs made more just 'til recently
I will partially give you this, but that's because you're comparing JP based talent with Indonesia or rest of the world based talent, and Cover would never pick them to promote something that's only available in fucking Japan. And at least the EN girls received a good number of sponsorships, like Gura, Mori and Kiara doing a bunch of sponsored gaming streams and Ina being part of the Wacom/Pixiv event.

>>6552597
Oh yeah, let's do a StarsEN and have 99% of the dudes applying being Hololive fans that know fuck all about Holostars and post shitty memes like this. It'll works wonders, and maybe Cover could have their own Shindo Raito situation.

>>6532526
They're all doing in the upper-mid tiers of vtuber channels though. They're all inclining at a pretty steady and notable rate.

>>6534482
>Males really just have lesser appeal
I know this is an older post, but the top streamers worldwide are all male, by a wide margin at that.

Male vtubers just haven't been able/had the chance to appeal to a wider audience, or even the larger anime audience. I mean it's no secret that anyone searching for vtubers is mainly searching for women.

>>6552910
Language barrier. This is what I mean when beggars can't even put thought into their posts.

>>6552980
Dont be delusional. Most who apply dont know much about it. Its still very niche. Once they get accepted then it time learn about it in detail so when you debut you can rapid fire your favorite oshi and shit when chat asked. Its called catering

>>6534484
Kiara wanted Roberu on Holotalk, and Ame would play with Astel if either of them spoke the same language. Gura can’t fucking speak Japanese either, and Ina… well, no clue. Irys should be interesting to watch too.

>>6552980
>You can't compare them with other gens that debuted before.
I can and I will keep comparing them to homo1, both are the spearhead of their branch.
>ID1 already said their models were ready a long time ago
>while we only heard about the rest of the Stars 3D a few weeks ago.
April is a few weeks ago.

>>6553098
Stop...your scaring the Uber weebs and purityfags. Ever since EN debuted they're a dieing breed

>>6553119
>Language barrier
That sure didn't stop her from making her first JP collab be RBC.

Maybe you should be the one putting a little more thought into it.

>>6553147
I'd like to see Irys sing with some of the more musically inclined Stars. Although honestly I just wish we had more big HoloUters period.

>>6533740
Have Tenma's English study streams benefitted his streams at all?

>>6553250
>>6552968

>>6553277
Numerically, yes. He's also had streams dedicated to studying English phrases for collabs with ID

>>6553277
Yes, his concurrent viewers is climbing steadily and based on chat metrics he still has a very strong Japanese audience despite an increase in English viewers.

>>6553098
>the top streamers worldwide are all male
Different audiences + other factors.
The reason why female streamers are swarming Vtubing scene instead of just being normal streamers is the way the audience treats male streamers vs female streamers.
As a Vtuber, they have the image and face of an appealing anime girl. As normal women they'll just face misogyny. You wouldn't be watching any of the top female Vtubers if they showed their faces.

>>6553357
>>6553395
The man's been grinding on it for 55 days now, good to see he's getting some payout from it

>>6553129
>Most who apply dont know much about it.
The only member or EN that didn't know much about it was Mori, the rest of the girls were definitely fans and knew about it when they applied. And last thing a Stars EN needs is someone who only got into it because they only liked the girls side and want to interact with them. That's why I mentioned Shindo Raito, and the current situation is optimal for a controversy like that.

>>6553170
>April is a few weeks ago.
The Stars 3D models were confirmed last month, during their 2 years anniversary event. ID did confirm their debuts in April, which wasn't a few weeks ago, but they've already talked about it in late 2020.

>>6553395
I'm glad his new English fans are mostly well behaved, in the beginning of the studies they were rowdy but now they're calm enough to not tell him the answer when he's stuck on something. When he's doing JP streams they stick around but still comment on what's happening

>>6553175
I don't see anyone from EN, ID or homo beating Rushia though?

>>6553170
ID1 and Stars3 started around the same time and part of reason why they got along each other so well. This comparison is more valid than Stars1. Also, April is 3 months ago, which is more than just a few weeks ago...

>>6553170
>April is a few weeks ago.
Anonchama...

>>6553617
>they got along each other so well
I'm not comparing their relationship. I'm comparing the treatment they got as the front of their respecting branch.

>>6553493
Holy shit you actually believe that. Is that parasocail part speaking? Meds dude....meds

>>6553507
I would consider it as a good sign.
She is a self-centered bitch who constantly stream over outfits reveals, 3D debuts and even HoloEN debuts, all to read her shitty red SCs that she gets all the time anyway instead of delaying her streams. And when something doesn't go her way, she cries and indulge herself in self-pity. And let's not not speak about all her menhera outbursts she has on stream and on her roommate's account.
If this is the kind of person who gets to be number one and attract the biggest unicorns, that speaks volume on the whole stuff.

>>6553953
The fuck you're talking about? I just don't want some fag who tries to get into the Stars to be close to the girls. Not because of parasocial bullshit, but because that would give a REALLY bad image to the Stars in general.

I can't take Rushia shittalking, I'm weak. I'm leaving this thread now. I hope holoEN and Holostars get deleted.

>>6535530
HoloID even lose to Niji ID and MAHA5 in the sponsorships department. They're relying too much on the SC from EN fans they forgot to have a presence in their own intended market. ID's manager has been pleading Hololive main management to be more flexible but they always rejected every ideas from ID.

There's something wrong with Hololive management, some big scandals are going to happen (again) one day, and some retards will still defending Yagoo to death. Mark my words.

>>6554135
You Dont want men to collab with girls but its not because of a parasocail relationship. These don't match up. You poor purityfag. As I said dont forget your meds

>>6554383
like fan, like oshi , exactly like in >>6553961

>>6554502
It has nothing to do with collabs, you goddamn schizo. What the fuck do you think will happen if StarsEN is full of Hololive fans that never watched any Holostars stream? It's you who forgot your meds and keeps pushing for HolostarsEN when nobody from the current roster wants it to happen.

>>6553397
>Different audiences + other factors.
For Japanese viewers sure. I doubt there's much overlap for Japanese viewers and English streamers, but for the EOP side? I could definitely see an overlap in audiences for some of the biggest streamers/content creators. I mean just look at Calli and how she mentioned Critikal and went on TT etc.

>The reason why female streamers are swarming Vtubing scene instead of just being normal streamers is the way the audience treats male streamers vs female streamers.
>As a Vtuber, they have the image and face of an appealing anime girl. As normal women they'll just face misogyny.
There's a lot to unpack there. Male and female streamers do get treated different at first for sure, but after a time audience interaction becomes what the streamer makes/lets it become regardless of the gender. With the misogyny comment, men get just as much shit, if not more. It's more they can handle it better. You think an uggo fat guy doing face cam doesn't get shit? Dare I even mention DSP? Hell the majority of top streamers aren't fat guys for a reason, people get turned away from them. The biggest debuff female streamers get, are other female streamers causing shit.

>You wouldn't be watching any of the top female Vtubers if they showed their faces.
That's another area which has many factors. Remember Ninja when he went to another platform and lost like 80% of his audience? It's somewhat similar from going from Vtuber to non-vtuber, and will 100% cause an audience shift no matter the streamer as well. Coco's roommate will be an interesting situation to watch unfold because of this. Even then there's many streamers who don't show their face or even have an avatar, and do well.

There's a lot to consider when talking about audiences a lot more than you can really discuss on 4chan. I just don't think the vtuber guys have really had their breakout moment yet, especially in the western audience market.

>>6554650
There's a vtuber that slowly over time started to show herself, starting with hands, to body, to RFA irl body, to face but with mask on and she just keeps gaining from it.

>>6554591
I see. Your thinking 4chan is the majority of the fanbase and how they think. Your in a bubble here that protects your fragile mindset. How many like and dislikes did the gigguk collab get. Can you remind me?

>>6554785
As someone who is in Holostar english speaking circles there's just a lack of English fans who are male in general, who would ever care about vtubing. If the problem is that StarsEN would need a Holostars fan who is actually good at streaming they'll be hard pressed to find someone and should probably look into a Japanese/English candidate instead

>>6554901
You make some good points.

>>6554708
Interesting idea, but I don't know what you're trying to point out here. Unless you're just pointing how audiences can grow or shrink depending on what you do? I mean of course I could see her gaining from that, especially if she's good looking, but will they stick around though? Since it's mainly an event rather an average stream, at some point she'll have nothing else left to show. One of the reasons why I mentioned Coco's roommate is because her channel gained subs like crazy during Coco's final month at Hololive, but will that correlate to actual live viewers who actually stick around after 1 or 2 streams?

>>6554785
Cringe. You're not a Stars fan, you're just a blind brand loyalty fag that doesn't care about what the current talents want. The boys already said they don't think it's good idea to make a Stars EN or even a Gen 4 at the moment, and as >>6554901 the pool of people that might be a good fit is stupidly small. If you want to keep with your prose and how they need a EN branch to pump their numbers then go for it. I don't want to waste my time with a schizo.

>>6555114
I'll watch her regardless if she wasn't on mildom or behind paid content.

if a woman is ugly she won't get any viewers, if she's even remotely attractive she is going to attract the same kind of creepy schizos that watch pokimane streams, hiding behind a virtual avatar solves this issues, men don't have this problem so there's literally 0 reason for male chuubas to exist

>>6555125
Ok buddy lol. Love the contradiction you made through out this whole convo

They just don't have as much exposure, and female talent collabing with them is career suicide for most of them.

>>6555485
On the jp side for sure.

>>6554785
I would just like to add that Calli got a good number of Supercats not only praising the Gigguk stuff, but even asking for more to a degree, and Ollie's fans seen to really like when Astel shows up for the most part.

>>6555615
Ollie and her chat loved the Stars during the Mario Kart collab too. But the retarded anon that other anon is replying to is lost and assumed someone saying StarsEN wouldn't work= "I don't want male female collabs"

>>6555476
>contradiction
You keep saying that but I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about.

>>6554650
>men get just as much shit, if not more

>>6555674
one of his first comments in his convo

"I just don't want some fag who tries to get into the Stars to be close to the girls"

>>6555707
I mean look at DSP, or the other fat fuck Wings of Redemption I think his name was. Or even the other other fat fuck known as Boogie. Or the other other other fat fuck Dragonlord or whatever. If a women got the same amount of shit thrown at them it'd be the end times for streaming.

>>6555674
But he did say that though lol.

Reading is hard I know

>>6555790
>>6556047
Shindou Raito EN/HolostarEN who doesn't give a shit about the boys and only the girls =/= Unicorn fag who doesn't want men near women.

>>6532526
Its a combination of not enough promotion and consequentially not enough clipfags picking them up. Don't get me wrong there are a good few clipfags doing homostars, but not nearly to the extent as the main Hololive branch. Its like a ratio of 400 Hololive clips for every 1 Holostars clip. (pulled that outta my ass dont quote me). That and the few who do clip them either dont get the views or stop after realizing they arent being viewed.

Then you got the schizos who want them dead for fucking their oshis (dont blame Roberu for having a 40 meter donger)

Its sad honestly. I love some of the Holostar stuff but they just arent promoted at all.

>>6556353
>Its a combination of not enough promotion
>arent promoted at all.
Debunked shit

are any of the holostars good at vidya?
i only watch male streamers if they are actually good at games.

>>6556593
>no promotion
mind explaining this homokeks?

>>6556593
B-but they get 0 promotion...

>>6555674
>>6556157
Thank you. I can't believe it was that hard to understand that I'm not against collabs between StarsxLive, what I don't want is dudes jumping on the hype with the sole goal to interact with their oshi. And while I don't think Cover would ever hire some fag like that, they would still have much harder time sieving through a mountain of bullshit to get those who are a good fit. That's why I believe it's way better for them to think about EN after their 3D debuts and the big show later this year, since Cover would have a bigger and better pool of people interested in the Stars. At least I hope so.

They're doing fine and they're growing fast, they're all getting 3ds this year, and they've got plenty of collabs within and without their company. They themselves have said they don't want to leech off the girls so they won't ask for collabs with them, and the girls have little reason to reach out out of the blue to force it. They don't really need saving anymore, they're standing just fine on their own at this point even if they don't compare to the insane >numbers the girls pull

>>6556744
Holy based, Holostars.

>>6556742
Based on his English it's easy to get why he doesn't understand, plus the fact that barely anyone on this board gives a shit about what Holostars actually wants or talks about.

>>6556742
Yeah that be a shitty reason to join hololive. Super Unlikely someone like that would get into hololive are even be the same general area as someone's oshi. If that did happen I'd wish him luck though. Some of these girls are hot behind the avatar. Get that dick wet

>>6556742
Yeah that be a shitty reason to join hololive. Super Unlikely someone like that would get into hololive or even be the same general area as someone's oshi. If that did happen I'd wish him luck though. Some of these girls are hot behind the avatar. Get that dick wet bro

>>6557264
While it is unlikely, they're probably the most represented group in the current pool of people that would audition. And that might be a reality for JP too, since it's been a year since we had Gen 3 and all gens either debuted or were chosen before Hololive exploded in popularity (Shien has been working with Cover as early as Astel's debut, if you don't know).

>>6540960
Not just win at Apex, he took out a 1v3 against a pro team and then took out a solo pro as well.

>>6557350
Definitely see that on the jp side. Not sure of the reality of it but from what I learned about idol culture japan males are awful people lol. Probably just a culture thing I guess. Ive only been watching since gen 4 and so im still learning about it really

Its kind of funny how they won't collab with males but their entire revenue stream comes from males.

At this point I'm more annoyed by ignorant saviorfags than the schizos who get mad at the sight of a male. It's like they are still stuck in 2019 and early 2020.

>>6553397
>As normal women they'll just face misogyny.
don't you mean "have to handle normal judgement for their sex appeal?"
trained clown, i see.
You will never be a woman.

>>6558250
At least unicorns stick to their favorite chuubas, saviorfags keep talking about Holostars when they don't watch or care about them.

>>6532526
>Why didn't they benefit as much from the vtuber trend?
Because they're perceived as gay

>>6532526
Most female anime fans with big bucks and time on their hands are fujos. The old man has a good design for women but there's no one else appealing to homobait him with, it's all characters that are appealing to the viewer visually, not to look at with other members. If they interacted more with one another in a fishy way and got fujo artists on board and had some insane dance of denial and approving on the art and shit that that user base comes along with they'd do well. But it's hard because going full homo or embracing it too much also turns them off.

With girls the male audience inserts into being with them, with women they want another character to insert onto.

>>6556646
Miyabi is a double Legend player in ff14 (he's cleared two of the absolute hardest raids that only a small percentage of the endgame population have cleared). Temma is a really good DbD player. Astel very recently hit Masters in Apex Legends playing solo and has lots of the Apex vtubing world paying attention to him. Izuru isn't quite on the same level but he's a pretty solid mid Diamond tier player. Roberu doesn't really have a specialty game but he's pretty good at Mario Kart. Oh, and Oga straight up creates his own games.

>>6556744
Holostars gives me the same vibe as early Hololive does, before they exploded into mega popularity. They do the regular vtuber things, feel like they'll go outside the box more, and they're doing steady collabs with lots of smaller corp vtubers, indies, and Nijis. Their growth is nice and steady, just not meteoric like the girls. As a side note, I also like the fact that they don't really have the senpai thing going on so it just feels like a bunch of bros who are frienss.

>>6532526
Ugly design.
Boring and they don't have good reactions.
Too many EOPs.

>>6559502
The only one who do teetee are Hanakishi, then there's Shien with his fujo tier interests and Oga with his chat dynamic, and by this metric they should be the top Holostars, and they aren't. Not everything is about fujos. They're loud but not many in number.

>>6561386
>Boring and they don't have good reactions
If youre still gonna pretend to be a retard, try harder at least and find better bait next time>>6543613
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Aj1VJA7Yw&t=6s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Xig5XEtOg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzd8VcqGUJU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nzBXhA09jg
>https://youtu.be/HVZKQqk8l8U?t=168
>https://youtu.be/9tpftFjnF68?t=434
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3eZL0VSl6A&t=97s
also
>https://streamable.com/kowhs5

>>6559200
Why?

>>6564520
They're called Homostars with good reason

>>6556646
>>6561087
Rikka is also pretty good at platformers

>>6564591
Aside the whole Homo gag (and this shithole of a place) why do you think everyone perceives them like that? Am i missing something?

>>6564763
Almost every popular board on this site calls anime men gay.

honestly its all covers fault holostars just needs the marketing that the girls get also no more unspoken collab bans the stars should be able to join the rest of the company talents instead of sectioned off

>>6564805
I know, i was wondering if theres people who unironically think that outside the boards here

>>6564827
>also no more unspoken collab bans the stars should be able to join the rest of the company talents instead of sectioned off
You know that both the Holos and the Homos dont want to interact with each other right? Both dont want any backlash (from the JP main branch anyway) precisely the Homos

>>6564022
You just proved my point, astel plays apex for 11 hours and he only has one or two funny bits. Pekora`s whole stream is a highlight, this guy is just boring. Also, funny how you homos only post clips of astel and roberu, but never rika. Stars are just boring, thats why they dont grow, you make this same thread every fucking day, just fuck off already.

>>6561568
They don't have good designs for it would be my guess. And having interests is different than no homo no homo tee hee with a specific target or targets in mind. Look at the holo live and holo en and their bait vs how little the stars bait even. Fujos are gigantic in number when it comes to female fan bases willing to shell out. Shoujo fans aren't as hard core bl fans. Just look at random hits like tiger and bunny and free. Homo shit always sells.

Also captcha holy shit

>>6564827
There are no unspoken bans for the last fucking time HOLY SHIT

>>6564827
>muh marketing

>>6565198
>Also, funny how you homos only post clips of astel and roberu, but never rika
His name is fucking Rikka, get it right next time you falseflagging faggot. He's the straight man of the group who shines better in collabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851_Y6HLZ3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1ntfZTdQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3dLZnxA7uU
Its funny how you specifically ignored the rest and went to take a jab at Astel out of all people, just proves how much of an ignorant retard you are, start watching streams before talking out of your ass.
Choke on some chalk and kys, the only boring thing here is your sad and pathetic existance.

>Also, funny how you homos only post clips of astel and roberu, but never rika
His name is Rikka, get it right next time you falseflagging faggot. He's the straight man of the group who shines better in collabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851_Y6HLZ3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1ntfZTdQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3dLZnxA7uU
Its funny how you specifically ignored the rest and went to take a jab at Astel out of all people, just proves how much of an ignorant retard you are, start watching streams before talking out of your ass.
Choke on some chalk and kys, the only boring thing here is your sad and pathetic existence.

>>6565198
>>6565855
Here's your (you)

>>6561218
I will be pretty sad if they stop collabing as much with the wider vtuber community when they get big like Hololive did.

>>6565895
Doubt that'll happen. I think if they grow enough some might end up dropping their 2nd occupation and do Vtubing fulltime, so you'll expect even more collabs and streams at that point.

>>6564763
I'll make my assumption and observation here. If I am wrong, prescribe me some meds.

With Holostars, there are the male vtubers associated with a company focused on the "idol image". After all, the Hololive girls portray themselves as idols. For men to be portayed as idols, that is very fucking gay.

>>6566672
But male idols exist, especially in 2D. I don't get it, it's not like women call female idols lesbo.

stars viewers are just saviorfags but gay

>but they don't get any promotion
Fuck off retards, COVER shoved the homos into everyone's throat. They literally hijacked Hololive summer festival and put the homos in the merch sale, even though they contribute nothing and COVER didn't even fix the server during the event.

>>6566965
Dont use my Oshi for your shiposting faggot
>COVER shoved the homos into everyone's throat
Mind giving more examples of that? Oh wait you cant cause thats all the "promotions" they got, that and last years shitty Holocomi half assed collab. Meanwhile Holos get to sing an anime songs, appear in many games, get promoted all over akihabara and japan, unlimited concert works, famous brand collabs etc..
Collect more intel and do better reps the next time you start shitposting as A-chan retard

>>6566965
>They literally hijacked Hololive summer festival
What the fuck are you talking about? Also A-chan always promoted the Stars, so fuck off.

Fuck you saviorfag niggers I just want to watch my bros in peace.

>>6567181
https://www.dreamnews.jp/press/0000228500/
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1339152385118093312
Chinese event, bushiroad for the lower tier talents even though Pekora/Marine will bring more viewer. This >>6556593 and many more.
>songs
ONE song.
>appear in many games
>unlimited concert works
Because they blew up after their initial invesment, homos failed o achieve it. Maybe you should donate more instead of begging and blaming COVER.

>>6567181
>my oshi
No she isn't
>>6567410
If you fags can use holos images for your shitpost, so do I.

Hololive appeal to a male audience that want a GFE, to the point that they are really honest about that with the whole seiso idol thing, so it doesn't matter if fubuki or any other holo promote holostar, because no fan of hololive will follow or watch a male that have a real chance of fucking your oshi, any otaku Idol is against that idea.

In nijisanji both female and male streamers share mostly the same target audience.

>>6567410
>What the fuck are you talking about?
https://hololive-summerfes.com/

>>6567611
>Couple of promotions
>shoved into everyone's throat
Just kill yourself, you fucking schizo. And the last thing A-chan would want is some faggot using her image to complain about the Stars. Nobody in Hololive would like you for what you're doing, so just overdose on your meds.

>>6567726
>One image for the the whole branch and a couple of mini acrylics stands
Is it really worth complaining about a company wide promotion?

>>6567726
>schizo cannot read the words "hololive production"
sad

>>6567784
Almost nobody is complaining, they're disagreeing with the idea that they're not being promoted. Considering their current numbers, they're getting a pretty fair deal.

Holostars saviorfags in this board are weirdly aggressive, you guys need to take your meds. At least you're pretty good at not breaking containment.

>>6567851
Because anything that challenges their collective delusion that Cover hates the boys and never does anything for them will shatter their reality, and they'll have nothing to shitpost with anymore.

>>6567784
>Couple of promotions
Yet you said that they never get enough promotions.
>Nobody in Hololive would like you for what you're doing, so just overdose on your meds.
Oh, so if homofriends are the one who shitpost with holos images it's fine? You can find some in this thread alone, hypocrite.

If I'm going to watch a guy play video games he better be in the top .01% percentile for that game and/or have some interesting and unique commentary. Also I don't really care to see some dudes face while he plays I'm not in the stream for him its about the game.

For females its differently I'm primarily there for the cute and funnies and it doesn't matter that she is trash at the game, hell sometimes its better when she sucks because its amusing and endearing to watch her fail.

>>6532567
What's your fucking problem with oshi dumb negro?

>>6567851
>>6567944
I've never defended saviorfags. Those niggas are mental. But complaining about the few promotions Cover give the Stars doesn't make you cunts any better. Don't like the boys? Ignore them. Cover remembers they exist? Don't throw a hissyfit because they're a part of Hololive Productions. Don't like saviorfags? Don't act like the opposite of them.

I actually like it when hololive and stars do the collab. I have no idea why. The DBD collab they did last year, they had a very good chemistry.

>>6568016
>Also I don't really care to see some dudes face while he plays I'm not in the stream for him its about the game.
Semi agree, I don't care for facecams (I prefer streamers who just don't have a cam at all if they're not using an avatar), but I'd say I still watch male streamers for the guy himself and not just the game. I've watched Vinny and Joel play plenty of kusoge nonsense I'd have no interest in watching otherwise because I enjoy their personalities and the kind of humor and interactions they bring.

>>6566965
why are americans like this?

>>6567611
>https://www.dreamnews.jp/press/0000228500/
>Promotion
"Color me impressed"
Thats something only existing fans would notice and buy, no one other than the homos and their fans would know or care about some random sake.
>Chinese event, bushiroad for the lower tier talents
>This >>6556593
Thats their 2nd anniv mini talk show, and "again" only the existing fans would bother checking it out and buying a ticket for it.
>and many more
Still waiting
>blaming COVER
Dont play dumb, the amount of fuckups Cover made is beyond count at this point (Coco leaving etc..) and theyve yet to correct their ways and improve their shit, so the more theyre critisized the better because thats how companies grow and stay on the right track. If their shortcomings dont get pointed out nothing will ever change (and its been proven the hard way that thats what makes Cover finally takes initiatives to change things, and most of the time it happens when its too damn late)

>>6568472
take initiatives*

>>6566672
That was a decent observation and a respectable one anon, but still i must urge to take your meds now

>>6568472
>only the existing fans would bother checking it out and buying a ticket for it
Same shit with hololive you ungrateful faggot. Still a promotion.
>the amount of fuckups Cover made is beyond count at this point
They already fixed their mistake for the homos by retracting the collab ban and gave them decent promotions. Don't drag the girl's part into your crusade againts Cover.

>>6566672
That was a decent observation and a respectable one anon, but still i must urge you to take your meds now

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO they got no promotion
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO those promotions are for the existing fanbase
can't wait for the next mental gymnastic they post, gave me a decent laugh

>>6569267
>They already fixed their mistake for the homos by retracting the collab ban
yeah "fixed" more like glued everything with flex tape and hoped it got fixed.
When they debuted their first Holostar member, they imposed the collab ban immediately when at the time Hololive members were collabing normally with other male vtubers from other companies with no issue, which caused huge damage and distancing to the branch from the getgo, then a month later Gen 3 debuts, the gachikoi cattering crusade begins and things become irreparable, the branch is at its lowest and on the verge of collapsing because of haters and non existing incline, the first two members barely had 2 digit numbers on their streams. 3 months later they "remove" the collab ban after the damage has been already done and there was no chance for the fans or the members to ever come to close terms with each other after all of that, and the lasting effects remain even now.
>and gave them decent promotions
Still waiting for you those promotions you speak of
>Still a promotion
Whats next? Youre gonna tell me that Twitter schedules are also promotions?

The homos are definitely talented but I think the only way that they get huge like some of the normal male streamers is if they turn out to be almost pro at some competitive game. I've never really watched any male streamer outside of some league players back when I used to play like 5 years ago though so I can't really say.

>>6569898
>Still waiting for you those promotions you speak of
>Whats next? Youre gonna tell me that Twitter schedules are also promotions?
And you don't give any example for one, when those things mentioned several times in this thread are decent promotions. And yes, twitter schedules are also promotions, though not much. Your hate for Cover blinds you from everything else they do good. I hate Cover, but homos get enough attention for them even though they make what? Less than 30% or even less than the girls.

>>6545178
>A vtuber who is watched by no one but them is worthless
Rushia is the highest superchat earner in the world, retard

>>6545493
Thats also why EN is iredeemable trash though

>>6570164
>if they turn out to be almost pro at some competitive game
Astel reached Master Rank twice in Apex and won a Tournament with a massive solo clutch just a couple weeks ago, wonder if he fits the criteria youre describing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoEtB9aBcI
https://youtu.be/2jZ79on2YAw?t=256

>>6570599
Yeah, there's a reason he's become one of the strongest and fastest growing Stars recently. When not that long ago he was one of the worst.

>>6544423
>You never see them sperg out when their oshi collabs with someone with the opposite gender
Of course not. Homofans are always frothing at the mouth for an opportunity to leech off Hololive. Thats why everyone hates them.

>>6570599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTJNOJXVdQ
This clip here shows all the memorable parts of his moments in that tournament, the ones i already posted dont really showcase that much.

>>6570562
Fucking speedreader. That was not the point there. And yeah, she is worthless given she is barely promoted compared to her colleagues. And advertisers and partners barely care about SCs earnings, but more about viewership and how much people they can reach for their operations.
Once again, even inside Hololive, she is a self-centered bitch who whined because she got a single song in Bloom or because she is not featured in Hologra, because she believes everything will be served to her on a silver plate.
But I am expecting nothing from one the most mentally unstable holos and her mentally-ill community who harassed people who stopped watching her.

>>6570718
>Of course not. Homofans are always frothing at the mouth for an opportunity to leech off Hololive. Thats why everyone hates them.
Literally no one fucking wants or asks for those collabs you dumb mutt, if anything those collabs are only harmful so its better if theres absolutely none (from the JP branch anyway, gachikoi unicorns are a plague)
Find better narratives next time you shitty tourist

>>6570801
>whined because she got a single song in Bloom or because she is not featured in Hologra
Good, she can do that because she's the number one holo now.

>>6570801
Still not watching the Homos. Seethe faggot.

>>6570837
>Literally no one fucking wants or asks for those collabs you dumb mutt
there are some anons in this thread who want that :^)

>>6532526
Cover treats them like a black sheep, kinda hard to grow when your own company makes you seem like you are "bad".

>>6570848
No1 holo doesn't mean shit, especially the SCs earnings. And it only happpened because Coco left, she has no merits about it. But keep believing in this while other holos are winning in every other way like Subaru, Marine or Botan.
>>6570850
Cope, speedreader. Where the fuck am I talking about the homos?

>>6570949
They are bad. Fuck the homos graduate them all.

>>6570901
>there are some anons in this thread who want that :^)
Saviorfags and "muh morally correct self centered justice ego" fags opinions dont matter, they can seethe all they want about it and it'll never happen.
They'll disappear within a day or a week so who tf cares, let them play their mental gymnastic games while they can.

>>6570981
Rushia earns more than all of them combined. Catering to gachikois like me will always be more lucrative than bowing to normalfags, hence why we always get what we want and you live in a state of perpetual seethe. :)

>>6570981
>other holos are winning in every other way like Subaru, Marine or Botan.
Such as?

>>6571068
stop larping, you're just a poorfag pretending to be something you will never be

>>6571068
good for you

too bad her ovaries are reaching their expiration date and you cant help her with that

>>6571048
time to blame cover then, because collab with holos is the biggest promotion they can get according to those anons

>>6571092
Submitted projects, sponsorships, respect from their friends, promotion from Cover, viewership
They are interesting enough to watch. Nothing like the shitty life that rusel is leading in comparison.

>>6570801
>And yeah, she is worthless
You wish.

if you treat the boys properly, they can do anything. But if you debuff them, they can't.

Hololive is idol group and I have no interest seeing males in that shit.

No matter what you faggots say mixing males and females together makes the dynamics different. Humour changes, attitudes change, everything fucking changes and not for good always.

This applies in real life and in entertainment

they did pretty well with the vtuber boom actually, roberu, astel, rikka, and aruran all had a ton of growth. from my experience in a vtuber discord girls love astel especially lol

>>6571188
Rushia is liked by the other girls and has pretty good viewership, not sure what you want.
Not being a corporate shill drone isn't something I really consider a downside.

>>6543613
>I'm not interested in women doing idol stuff, Wasnt this what every person was saying when they first discovered Hololive?

In a word, no. I watch hololive because they're cute and comedic.

>>6571202
Dude, you're posting on a schizo thread in /vt/. Almost nobody in a schizo thread gives a fuck about Nijisanji, even if some of the guys there are on the same level as the big Holos. This is just a shit flinging contest to see who's willing to waste their time harder, don't lose your time trying to make sense.

>>6571755
>make sense
But Holostars are doing fine and have been inclining recently. That anon is talking out his ass saying Holostars can't do anything.

>>6532567
Except for Suisei, Toko, Chigusa the holy trinity of ensta. The top of the fujoshi fanbase. TCB is a fucking fujoshi and asks for BL art randomly on her twitter and yes that is a "mother" for holostars. They don't get views because they are boring.

>>6571574
Yeah the same reason you watch K-On, but K-On would be a lot less entertaining if there were men in it

>>6532674
>Its hard to be in a parasocail relationship with a guy.
The fuck are you smoking, its what most IRL gaming youtubers and twitch streamers are build upon.
You don't need chuuba pretending to suck you off in GFE member stream for it to be a parasocial relationship. In fact, its quite an outlier considering the wider online landscape.

>>6532567
>deserves to be thrown into a lake with chains wrapped around her legs.

That's not even an insult. She'll definitely enjoy it

>>6571295
You dont know anything about entertainment then faggot

>>6582873
What is it then? Oh great homochad.

>>6583858
Entertainment is when one of the males fucks (you)r oshi and (you) come here to seeth about it.

>>6532526
conflating subscribers with success is ignoring the far more important metrics, like concurrent viewers or earnings.

>>6584658
Never going to happen and I'll keep watching you and your homos cry because they don't enough recognition. :^)

>>6532567
anon.. thats the whole point of being a vtuber, why are you even here?

>>6584934
>:^)
go back to r*ddit

>>6571018
seethe harder, all of them make a better man than you'll even be