/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65329994
niji deflection thread
>Verification not required

>>65329994
Cover doesn't need your shit third world euros they're already bleeding money with the ID branch and both homobranches at is.

>>65329994
I don't care about EU ESLs but cover needs to at least hire someone from the UK, ideally England. Hololive English not having a chuuba from the home of the language is a joke. It's like having a HoloES and none of them are actually Spanish.

Also Nijizhangy is fucking over one of their members again, in case anyone was wondering why this deflection thread exists

Even Idol hates us, Roca canceled her 2nd day of Christmas karaoke because third worlders don't celebrate the 2nd day

>>65329994
They're probably not very happy with a lot of the worker protections and stuff in the EU as a japnig company.

Someone with a British or Scandinavian accent would be a fantastic addition, no doubt. A full EU based gen in that time zone will probably never happen though

>>65329994
Euros mostly watch Twitchtubers

>>65330525
Spijt me makker, maar volgens mij had ze wat beters te doen.

>>65329994
Many small corpo chuubas stream in EU time. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyjp_5sba-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwQosZdaoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKDrDQc-pTs

>>65330105
>shit trird world
But enough about America

>>65329994
eurofags are used to it by now. You either become a vod watcher or take the JP pill

>>65329994
yes

Euro demographics is too fragmented. You'd need a massive push and Cover are too cheap for this.

>>65330923
I’m curious, does anyone know what these EU chuubas’ audience demographic looks like and how they are performing (in terms of SC or viewerships) compared to their peers?
There have been few chuubas from both Holo and Niji trying to stream in convenient time for EU viewers. Those chuubas either ended up performing poorly, or their “EU” streams’s audience turned out to be full of NA / Asian instead of actual EU. Right now, the EU market just doesn’t seem to be that big compared to others

>>65329994
The newest stars gen was a bunch of SEA, maybe the newest HoloEN gen will be a bunch of Euro's. It may be covers new strategy.

>>65329994
Euro doesn't speak one singular language. EN streamers focusing on NA and JP streamers focusing JP just makes sense.

>>65329994
I mean, yeah? The market is tremendously smaller than the rest of the west. Except for the UK. Give us a UK chuuba, Jap.

Like many people said, the market is too fragmented. Another reason is that most EN vtubers are asian or part-asian, and Europe doesn't have that many asian immigrants.

>>65330992
I did the latter
It’s was more fun than reversing my biological clock because of EN streams all starting at 2AM

>>65329994
The problem is that most Euros want content in their native tongue and they’re also far less likely to donate. That’s why they mostly prefer to stream in English to a mostly NA audience.

>>65331513
>The problem is that most Euros want content in their native tongue
Objection: ruskies with Botan

>>65331513
>The problem is that most Euros want content in their native tongue
well, sweds aren't part of the "most euros". As we hate listening to other sweds talking.

>>65331552
1. ruskeks aren't european
2. russia is most literally the most unlikely country to make good profits off of after all the sanctions fucking over their bank card payments and superchats

TZD btw

>>65329994
everyone hates the EU

>>65331552
Good luck getting them to donate kek

>>65331322
For example, Panko is Italian and she's getting pretty decent views, somewhere between 0.5-1K. She's not backed by a strong brand like the Holo chuubas are.

>>65331760
so true miguel

>>65330992
I took the Kaelapill fag.

>>65331552
ruskies will not be accepted in to the eurofagetry. Even if they like Botan.

>>65331776
they're trying

>>65331893
Putler is a nijinig and started the invasion of the Ukraine to make Botan lose viewership

>>65331798
Panko is genuinely one of the only girls that I could see a bigger agency poach whenever her contract with Phase runs out. May be biased because I'm Italian, but I wouldn't mind seeing her in Hololive, she's clearly grown a lot since her first audition for the company.

>>65332115
fake news, everyone knows the real reason he started it

>>65329994
Just imagine EN4, with a Serb, an Italian, a Spaniard, a Scandinavian and a German. The whole generation would be a constant war filled with alcoholism, best shit ever.

>>65331387
please, don't bring language shit again, most countries in Europe speak and understand english just fine

>>65331776
I would if google makes it easier.
>Can't connect my Paypal account to my YT account.
>Don't trust google with my debit card info.
Only option that remains on PC is the Paysafecard option which is tedious as fuck to recharge, and is capped at 250€, so if I wanna spacha it'll have to come from the same 250€ limit my monthly subs come from. I'd do it a lot more readily if YT wasn't so hellbent on sending me through an obstacle course everytime I'd want to show support.

>>65332115
Z

>>65331893
ngl, I'm contemplating getting Botan membership just to flex on this nigger
https://files.catbox.moe/xhtumt.jpg

>>65332281
>serb
not enough drama. We need a bosniak or a kosovars. for that extra potential.
>scandinavian
fair, all scandinavians are the same. Only the fins have some actual unique qualities. yes I know they are not scandi and just nordic. But I count them in as a swed

>>65329994
>turks and anglos
>European
rumao

>>65332612
You use cryptocurrency?

Germans are the only true europeans.
We need more German holos.

>>65331798
Panko flirting with 4view is an extremely recent development, she basically had a hard ceiling of 400 CCV until 5-6 weeks ago. The biggest thing holding her back is consistency. She had ISP issues all last month and basically could only do guerillas and than in December she got sick and had a tooth pulled and couldn't stream at all while Phase gen 3 was debuting. From what I understand this is par for the course with her and has been a constant since she debuted.

>>65332700
yeah, it's called "ukrainian hryvnia"

>>65332960
I watch her since like August, and I remember her getting like 300 viewers on a good day. I'm not even an old fan, she just grew her audience so fucking quickly, I feel kind of proud now.

>>65329994
There was a whole lot of not-Europe on your map, OP, so I fixed it.

When it comes to streaming in general not just VT, EU is a twitch turf mainly. The market for VT in EU is still small that even the biggest EU Vtubers right now have more non EU following than EU. The two major EU countries for vtubers right now are England and Germany

>>65333345
Based NATOfag

>>65333371
Austria and Switzerland aren't part of NATO, brainlet

>>65333345
based slav remover

They're scared of GDPR, like yahoo and many other JP companies.

>>65329994
idk if hololive hates EU but they should. euros simply do not spend their money on vtubers. even latinxs donate more than euros and those guys need every penny they can get to survive lol

>>65333723
>latinx
burger spotted!

>>65333723
>latinxs
Callate gringo zurdo de mierda

>>65333723
I am a yuropoor but i bet i donated more money to Hololive than you

>>65333345
This is Europe at it's most beautiful.

>>65333723
Excuse me Mr. Burgerman. What is a latinx?

>>65332960
massive fast increase of ccv? bots you idiot.

>>65330527
pretty much this
>>65330777
true
>>65330992
or just fuck up my sleep schedule for Henya...
>>65331513
>and they’re also far less likely to donate.
apart from a few oilers, also true
>>65331760
as a Hungarian I agree, even I hate the EU :D
>>65332480
that too, I'm not giving my financial info to big tech corpos, I'd rather buy merch

>>65334762
based enjoyer

>>65329994
Whilst the interest in chuubas is certainly smaller in Europe/UK It still seems worth it from covers perspective especially considering they consider ID and stars "worth it". They would have no problem selling merch or getting lots of memberships in strong currencies.
>>65333723
>>65331513
Whilst it's true USA has the strongest paypigs of the kind who will akasupa every stream I am not sure Euros "rarely donating" would hold true if they had a set of holos who actually built an audience around the EU friendly timeslots and stuck to it. No shit you don't get many Euros donating to holos who start their streams at 2AM their time. I'm a bong and I have multiple 3 year+ memberships and have donated hundreds since I started watching myth along with buyfagging for holofes and other concerts despite mostly having to vodwatch.

It's not that impressive but it's not nothing either and more people would do the same if they made a real effort in the timeslot.

>>65334762
Henya ennyire jó lenne? Egy pár streamjét láttam amikor még Pikamee volt, de engem annyira nem győzött meg.

>>65329994
Europe is too brown for Cover.

>>65334541
>bots you idiot
No her incline started from collabing with Fillian and continued due to a massive influx of newfags to phase from gentree..

>>65335100
sokkal jobb, mint Pikaként volt.
>Verification not required.

>>65335120
>laughs in muslim
did you forget about sea anon?

>>65335298
Hmm, majd meglesem egy álmatlan éjszakán. Gondolom amíg a fogasgalamb alatt volt, sokkal behatároltabb volt, hogy mit csinálhatott és mit nem.

>>65335120
>euroland: 14% nonwhite
>burgerland: 24.5% nonwhite
Not beating the Amerimutt allegations there, United States of Brown resident.

>>65335298
>>65335508
English language website. Take your retarded gibberish to your own wheat-harvesting forum

>>65335508
egyszerűen kinőtte a VOMS-t, meg hát az új design is nagyon cuki.
>>65335670
rekt
>>65335757
EOP detected, make sure you never visit /int/, scary scary other languages REEEE

>>65335757
>EOP
No rule saying "only burgernese on 5kek". So: sug min kuk

>>65335903
>>65336173
Do you not understand English? I thought I told you to go back. Your slumbuddies no doubt miss you terribly

>>65336330
you're getting clowned on because you ONLY understand English, amerifat.
>Verification not required.

>>65336330
anon, what makes you think I understood what (you) where saying? This massage along with the others made by other ESL anons are all auto generated by a cheap ChatGPT bot.
Both the text and the image is unconnected, do to image recognition being far to expensive to maintain. Nothing is real, as most of the posts are bots and only (you) and maybe 2-3 people are "real". And also faggots

>>65336464
>subhuman ESL thinks I care about knowing his swamp language
A clown you certainly are
>>65336574
>This massage
If it were a bot it'd be able to spell correctly. Give it up, ESL-kun

>>65336765
like I said, it's a cheap bot. Most of it's dataset is scraped form this website, so repetitive usage of wrongly spelled words will affect it's quality. Adding the ability for the bot to understand both memes and words like "rumao" makes in compatible with a normal dictionary.

>>65336765
>amerifat calling others subhuman
stop it, my sides are already in orbit

>>65329994
I'm sure they don't. As for the Japanese employees, they probably don't think about it at all except on a surface level. Some probably really know a lot like "shouldn't we also hire a Spanish speaking generation?" and everyone ums and ahs about it, while showing how impressed they are with that worldly suggestion.

You can also compare it to how Japanese companies prefer English teachers. An American with poor English language skills (second language) is preferred over a European with good English language skills (first language). It's because they don't think about it much and just go with whatever the common assumption is. The case is made even stronger by how they literally hire ESL that live in the US for their English generations. They probably don't think much about it and just wing it.

>>65329994
EU doesn't deserve SHIT
>t.eufag

>>65337344
nah, all of the r-site is cancer, not just the eufags

>>65337344
>le redditor

>>65337445
ok europoor

>>65337500

>>65330471
Kind of a bad take. English is the first language for everyone in the British Isles, not just the UK. The actual English people are kind of crummy peasant folk with bad attitudes. That said, there are huge expat communities of English speakers around many of the nearby European countries. It's like you're literally begging for another chav VTuber pretending to be royalty, because Rin Penrose wasn't enough.

>>65337570
Yeah lets fill Holo EN up with chavs, scousers, and bogans. The Americans will love it because they don't understand.

>>65337703
what about poles?

>>65331513
>most Euros want content in their native tongue
mănânci căcat cu polonicul

>>65337813
What about the Bulgarians? Are the Bulgarians still coming or did that fizzle out?

>>65338002
at least you guys have Romania-Chan, our streamer (SquChan) streams in English.

>>65331513
This isn't true at all.When it comes to niche stuff like weeb and tech communities, most want English language content. It also depends on the country, like maybe Spain and Germany might want native language content more than others. Then countries like The Netherlands are basically like Americans in many ways about freedom, politics, and the economy. They incorporate a lot of US and UK slang in their local language content, but most prefer English language content.

>>65338197
No, I'm saying the native tongue preference is a bullshit claim.

>>65337500
So this only counts superchats and not memberships for a LA+ 2nd anniversary live

YEN/person = 3783,47 yen | 460 people
HK$/person = 5709,10 yen | 19 people
WON/person = 5194,05 yen | 19 people
NT$/person = 2863,95 yen | 22 people
USD/person = 2988,50 yen | 4 people
EUR/person = 1227,00 yen | 2 people
CA$/person = 821,00 yen | 2 people
VND/person = 769,50 yen | 2 people
others not counted do to only being 1 person

Personally unsure of how big LA+ is for overseas followers. If you're talking about yen/person only YEN, HK$, WON and NT$ have a large enough sample size. Only 4 burger, 2 euros (+1 GBP) and 2 leafs.

>>65337500
Does it count the original currency of the account or the currency that was used? I exclusively pay in USD despite not living there or having an active stateside bank account.

>>65338331
mostly a size issue. germany is big enough to have both just vtuber fans who watch only german content and those who only watch english content and anything inbetween.
even in the dead of night when someone like filian streams there are a lot of germans around for some reason.

>>65338452 and people shouldn't forget that only 20 out of 44 european countries (50 if we count countries that aren't completely on the european land mass) use the euro which is less then half, so using the euro as the only measurement is pretty retarded

>>65338655
Not necessarily. The Netherlands is small but has a very big and active weeb/tech community in comparison to other countries. It's a very small but urban and sub-urban country. Then you compare that to Germany which is larger but has lots of countryside and small town communities. France is an exception because they've always been the most weeb country since the 70s/80s, but they're probably more likely to watch JP streams. That said, the French coined the term Franglaise to describe the influence of English and their proclivity for consuming English language content and products. Germany on the other hand is known to dub literally everything into the German language to the point that it's an actual meme.

>>65339240
But that would require that numberfags actually understand what they're talking about. And not acting like refugees from /biz/

>>65329994
how how these threads pop up when Selen get fuck over management, every time.

>>65339661
no idea sir

>>65339661
must be something completely unrelated, or an attempt of deflection. But for the life of me I can't find the correlation... Maybe Wactor drama?

>>65339661
maybe stop getting fucked every day every hour

>>65334368
A word democrats came up with to make Latinos seethe.

>>65337570
>English people are kind of crummy peasant folk
Holy shit take you fucking faggot, go outside. The bri'ish chewsday innit memes must be all you have as reference because the majority of English people are middle-class types who have some degree of education and courtesy (relatively miserable though they may be).
>England
>home of the language
If it were up to me there'd be whole gen full of various different regional UK accents, but if there's only one of us it makes sense to me to have it somewhere in England for this reason.

>>65329994
How would I watch my oshi live if I had EU chuubas to watch?

>>65336464
The average American male is actually about 5'11 - 6'4 and in weight about a 130 pounds yes they have fat fucks here too but you only hear about it because the media needs something to talk about to distract people from actual issues. But if you were in America you'd see more skinny people than fat people. Not saying there aren't fat fucks but I'm just correcting your one sided view.

>>65337703
I used to raid with a scouser I am not dealing with that retarded accent again.

>V-Dere carried by EU chuuba
>Vreverie carried by EU chuuba
>EIEN carried by EU chuuba
retards will still say yuros don't watch chuubas or don't donate. Just give us chuuba that streams in actual normal hours and the views and money will appear in a while
but random burgers doing ''EU'' friendly stream once a year doesn't do shit

>>65329994
>English branch
>focuses on English-speaking countries
How is this noteworthy or concerning in any way?

>>65340774
>>Vreverie carried by EU chuuba
which one? didn't know they had a euro

>>65340828
Erika

>>65340569
>The average American male
too bad most of your women are hamplanets, making the amerifat meme true.

>>65340828
Erika is a mountain monkey (norwegian)

>>65329994
kiara has mentioned before that she was hired by accident because they thought she was Australian instead of austian

>>65340913
Those fat women still wouldn't fuck you tho so feel free to degrade them all you like lmao. White fat women only go for negros and spics.

>>65340963
>mountain monkey
that's a new one. Normally calling them "Oil barons" or "ski dopers"

>>65340990
Offended much, Ms. Hamplanet?

reminder all chuubas are males with voice changer
too many conservative shitters on this fucking continent

>>65340986
no fucking way

>>65340990
good, I don't want amerifat femoids coming to Europe.

>>65341085
swedes usually call them fjällapor (mountain monkey) and will usually rant about their ski team abusing asthma medicine

>>65341530
Might just be a regional thing, as I have never heard someone call a Norwegian a fjällapa before.

>>65341530
Never heard fjällapa b4 lmao
Why not just call them norrmän? That's enough of an insult as it is kek

>>65329994
Some EU laws makes getting workers from there a pain in the ass specially with the amount of slimes that are moving there.

>>65329994
Europe just isn't a profitable audience for big corpos to chase. If you look at superchat analytics, Germany is the only country that consistently donates to streamers.

>>65340365
>The bri'ish chewsday innit memes must be all you have as reference because the majority of English people are middle-class types who have some degree of education and courtesy (relatively miserable though they may be).
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about actual English people, they live on estates and bitch and moan about foreigners and gossip all the time. The English are the definition of the lower class, because England was the definition of classist society. Nobody in their right mind in England would call themselves middle class unless they were teachers, doctors, lawyers, and others; only Americans call laborers, plumbers, electricians, shop-keepers, hairdressers, and other low skilled workers the middle class. The English are overwhelmingly lower class living in squalor or on public housing estates. So, you have really outed yourself with that one.

>>65331882
I wonder if Japan wasn't cockblocked from importing/owning guns as hard as they are, how many guns do you think Botan would've been sent by now?

>>65341846
>Some EU laws makes getting workers from there a pain in the ass
but they are not workers at worst they are independent contractors at best they start their own company that they work in and that is contracted to doing work for Hololive. Then they can work as much as they want with 0 protections because they are their own employer. All the equipment that you need to be a chuuba will fulfill the monetary requirement to start a limited company here in sweden (which is 2.5k dollars in cash + equipment)

>>65342020
>how many guns?
yes

>>65342077
Anon, if they are working fpr them they can't call themselves independent contractors given they have to work for the company using company provided material like the phone and the model and they can't use them for personal stuff.

>>65332482
IGGER

>>65342131
I still remember that SC of the rusky telling her they wanted to send her some AKs.

>>65340569
Nta but 40% obesity rate

>>65341929
>describes memes and stereotypes of a minority subsection of the English demographic
You've just proven my point. You might as well be saying that all American people are hillbillies.

I don't know why you seethe over the English so much but you should stop. If you're from the isles (I suspect you are) then I'd rather be pals, even if you are a dishonest faggot sometimes.

>>65340825
Every country in Europe is an English-speaking country, in the sense that anyone who might be a potential viewer (i.e. people who spend their time on the internet) speaks it well.
Look at any of the successful EU chuubas. They all stream in English.

>>65343587
My family and grandparent's generation did fairly well for themselves. My great grandparents even had servants and owned land, hotels, and other businesses. My grandparents owned their own house with a small piece of land. They had their own businesses and put their kids through private school.

One day I asked if we're middle class and they deny it and explain to me that we're not, but we're probably in the upper end of working class. I'd say my family is in the 90th percentile, now you're trying to tell me that the majority in the UK of all places are much better off. That's actually funny anon, what a good joke.

Another cultural reference point off the top of my head is about the BBC which is well known to have always been full of elites. So when they made Eccleston the new Dr. Who there was a little bit of a ruckus and discussion in media going on about if he should be allowed, especially with his working class accent and mannerisms. Yet somehow you honestly expect anyone to believe that the majority (your words, not mine) of English people are very wealthy and highly educated.

Nobody goes around talking like "innit" all the time or whatever but there is a definite over-abundance of chavs and slags that you can't deny with your fantasy version of the UK.

>>65329994
Initially JP management made a big deal about how EN was going to be a global branch that would appeal to everywhere people speak English, going so far as telling Coco to stop making "HoloUSA" jokes because it would "give people the wrong idea". Both Myth and Council had their debuts and early streams scheduled at a decent spread of times for the whole world.
Then in 2022 they had a shift that was pretty noticeable. Most members gradually moved their streams later. Anything organised by management (announcements, teasers, events) moved to late evening NA, putting things at 4AM for euros and in the middle of the work day for Asia. The homos debuted streaming in that late slot and a few of them explicitly said management forced them to. Advent were the same way, all late debuts and late streams.
So, yeah, there's clearly a directive from EN management to focus on NA evenings. I couldn't tell you why, because it's both a departure from what we knew JP management's goals to be, and objectively it doesn't work - the branch's viewership is worse than before and everyone is always bitching about both dead hours and overlaps.

>>65344100
My words:
>middle-class
>some degree of education and courtesy
What you claim my words are:
>very wealthy
>highly educated
There's the dishonest faggotry. I never claimed that people here are genius aristocrats by the millions. Working class =/= chav and slag. In fact working class overlaps heavily with middle-class, as is the case with my own family. Whatever people like to claim about themselves, if they're doing well for themselves, they're hardly the trash that you described previously. For the last century working class people have been able to achieve a fairly affluent life, much like your family, and the resulting MIDDLE-CLASS became the majority, with the impoverished and incredibly wealthy making up their own minorities. These people can of course access the education system so therefore are not neanderthals. This isn't a fantasy, or second-hand information, I've lived this and seen it for myself insofar as I'm able to.

Do you really think the heartland of a modern European nation as wealthy as the UK would consist of uneducated peasants in any kind of majority? It just sounds to me like you're desperate to talk down England because of grievances or whatever. Give it up and just agree that we should have a full gen of people from the British Isles with at least one of them being from England.

>>65345480
Middle class is fairly wealthy and educated. I already said you're clearly using the American definition which is for the vanity of factory workers, and not the UK definition which is based on centuries of classism. Unlike other countries that went through stuff like revolutions and other cultural movements, the working class as peasant folk in the UK was just fine the way it was according to the upper class. Stuff like labor finally getting popular in the 90s was a rebuttal, despite later being too elite. The peasant mentality is firmly ingrained in the culture and the way people speak in England. Not all of course, but the vast majority of the English and citizens of the UK in general are the equivalent of common day peasants.

You really want the next Holo EN generation to have slags streaming from their public housing estate homes so they can fuel their Friday night pub crawls and put their kids into a creche?

Content warning, picture depicts the common English folk in their natural habitat. Anon wants this in Hololive.

>>65346037
>labor
You're either a burger or Australian and either way your entire opinion on what the UK is like seems to be derived from bad TV shows and /int/ shitposting

>>65346227
You're in complete denial. Now you're just posting "no u" when I already called you out and pointed out where you made mistakes in your game of pretend.

>>65346037
Actually mindbroken. I have no idea what Brits did to you but I hope you get over it one day innit bruv. If you want an example of the kind of Brit chuuba I'd like in Hololive, see picrel.
>>65346442
You're replying to someone else, that wasn't me.

>>65346442
I'm not even the same anon, I just think it's funny that you're writing essay-length rants about British culture when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, especially when that's completely orthogonal to the subject of the thread.

>>65346037
Also, would definitely the one in the middle.

>>65346679
Nah, I know. If you mean because I don't use British spelling conventions, that's by choice, I dropped it years ago.

>>65346546
I'm not mad at the English, not sure where you got that from. I'm just defending the accurate statement about the character and accents of English people. It's not great by any stretch of the imagination unless you have a warped vision of the UK. Heck, it would be better to even have a French of Spanish native speaker in Hololive English over a common English speaker.

>>65329994
>Europe
We got Panko and that's the extent of it. Europooristan is a talentless shithole

>>65346833
>salty enough to intentionally change spelling conventions
Assuming you're not just being a liar again, this is pretty extreme levels of mindbreak

>>65335120
Why are amerilards like this? Your continent is full of niggers, pajeets and and spics.

>>65347577
Because I haven't lived there for years and I interact more with international speakers. Why are you trying so hard to make it out to be something it isn't?

My only point has been against mistaking a mule for a race horse, or dandelions for roses. It is what it is, I don't have any personally strong feelings on them.

rainhoe is apparently dutch and her accent is pure fucking sex

Europoors are a bad market, because they are not mindbroken enough yet to send half their paycheck to a woman earning 10 times as much in sponsorship deals alone. Enjoy your 5 seconds of attention.

>>65341085
I'd've called them mountain jews but that name belongs to the Swiss. We also need more Schwyzerdütsch chuubas

>>65343772
It's also worth noting that global viewership of livestreams in English peaks during hololive's "dead hours", a few hours before Ina's usual time. By the time the later regulars like Shiori and Mumei start, about 2/3 of the potential viewers are gone. This is a pretty weird choice when EN are still almost 100% focused on streaming content.

>>65348894
That's why FuwaMoco morning was a genius play. Even for the west coast it would be too late in the morning because everyone is at work or leaving for work. But it's when Europe gets off work.

>>65347417
Try looking outside the Phase bubble. Almost all the good EU chuubas are either in Idol or indies on Twitch.

SEA>>>>>>>>>>>Yuropoor

>B-b-but [offtopic]
No. mald and sneedthe.

>>65352229
now get holo to get watchable face tracking tech then people will watch

>>65352229

>>65329994
>year one Gura gave then a chance for a week
>it was playing a cowboy game
>back when she averaged 40k ccv
>euro time slot didn't make it to 15k
>almost no SC, not a single red either
That was all the proof hololive needed to not invest anything in Europe.

>>65353902
>a week wasn't enough to suddenly grow a new audience with the same size and dedication as her established one
wow that's crazy

>>65332960
>problems with ISP all last month

Do europoors really lmao ,i'm middle lower class in a 3rd world country (Chile) and don't remember the last time i had any issue with internet.

>>65355524
yeah, personally never got the point of SCs either since I like to get something for my money. They also probably make way more money from other sources anyway and frankly its not like anyone in hololive is starved for money anyways.

>>65329994
Just move to Globie then.

>>65355892
still thinking Europe as one country. my internet has always been solid outside of planned maintenance. But even here ISPs don't really want to invest in the infrastructure outside citys so most of time you are stuck with 4g or outdated tech in the countryside

>>65344873
>yeah, there's clearly a directive from EN management to focus on NA evenings. I couldn't tell you why,
It's easy to answer why. NA evenings are during the working day for Japan. This makes it easier for creative director types and marketing people to verify what EN is doing. If they stream at EU hours, nobody from Japan can pull the plug if needed.

>>65333371
Libshit

>>65329994
>Does Hololive Hate EU
Small market, big banks, lots of languages, and aggressive anti-speech legislation. People get arrested for throwing a bellamy salute in public. Europe is poison to all forms of creative labor.

>>65342020
fucking americans and canadians should shut the fuck up

>>65344873
fucking hate NA

>>65353902
fuck that lazy whore

>>65359505
Go suck your nanny state's tits. Not everyone needs to be protected from inanimate objects. At least Japan was, and remains, up front about why it banned swords and firearms. Euro governments act like they're protecting you from yourself.

>>65359422
fuck off trumper

>>65359505
>>65359575
It sure feels good to support my oshi with legal tender backed by the full faith in and credit of the U.S. government.

>>65359717
>trumper
You realize you just called me a winner, right?

It's been said a billion times before. Yuros have never been into anime as a whole like the US, Canada, and LATAM (inb4 muh France), and while Yuros live comfortably, they have shit for disposable income.
Vtubing is at its best right now focusing on JP, NA, and SEA.

>>65359675
trump should be jailed

>>65330967
Lemmie guess, no one donates in shit currency because they totally would if the streamers streamed at a different time.
Ignore the fact that there's proof with Kiara that she's still dominated by USD. I won't sit here and argue if it's a good use of money, but Europoors have a lot less spending power in the media sector than NA does. Eat shit retard.

>>65359857
More than half of the US government should be jailed by I don't see you bitching about anyone else. Now fuck off, we're talking about Europe.

>>65359422
>Small market
wat
>big banks
?
>lots of languages
Why do you guys always repeat this as if it was relevant? Everyone on the internet speaks English.
>People get arrested for throwing a bellamy salute in public
Yeah, maybe just don't do that then? Meanwhile in Asia, Holo lost an entire branch and a top talent for saying the name of a place, so what's your point?

>>65359969
>Why do you guys always repeat this as if it was relevant?
So I guess you think a bunch of Japanese people are going to do community management in languages they don't understand and can't find interpreters for? Ok.
>Yeah, maybe just don't do that then?
Bootlicker.

It's not cover that hates Europeans, it's everyone else. Smart business decision.

>>65360153
>So I guess you think a bunch of Japanese people are going to do community management in languages they don't understand and can't find interpreters for? Ok.
As in English? Yeah, imagine if they had a branch like that

funniest thing is the most NA gets is californian cons and the chinese get cons

>>65359864
>but Europoors have a lot less spending power in the media sector than NA does.
There's a lot of layers to that, and why it's the case, and many paragraphs could be dedicated to the how and why. A lot of the responsibility lays on the EU/Brussels and institutions like the European Central Bank, Deutsche Bank, and even NATO to a small degree. Juggling regulations, languages, currency conversions, market quirks, and so on is not easy for an international business.
>>65360618
>As in English? Yeah, imagine if they had a branch like that
As far as I'm aware Belgium, Switzerland, and Germany don't write their laws in English.

>>65360701
Wut? I have a shit ton of anime cons around my place. There's something every month happening. Sure, they're not all AX size or anything, but a lot of them hit 5-10k and a few of the bigger ones push 20k, and I live in the Midwest.

>>65359422
>and aggressive anti-speech legislation
What do you mean? What could they say that is illegal? It's pretty typical nonsense, but the stuff that is illegal in most European countries is the extreme edges of the fringe stuff. This is why European countries are higher on most indexes of freedom than America, because it's not just a slogan and not only about the freedom to be a dipshit. There is nothing any hololive member could reasonably say that would break any law.

>>65359763
Europe isn't one country.
>Yuros have never been into anime as a whole
Anime cons in London that I've been to are pretty big, and I've heard that the ones in other parts of the country are popular as well.
>Yuros live comfortably, they have shit for disposable income
I live comfortably and have a comfortable disposable income. I know for a fact that I'm not an exception in this regard.
>Vtubing is at its best right now
Let's make it even better by expanding fully into Europe, with some Brits and other Euros in EN and maybe even a HoloEU branch for other languages. Small corpos are pulling off the former and doing well for it, and Hololive easily has the bank to do the latter.

>>65361399
>the stuff that is illegal in most European countries is the extreme edges of the fringe stuff
Anon we are on the extreme edge of the fringe stuff right now. You are on 4chan, a place well known for its racist weeaboo nazi use base, discussing women that play videogames with an anime avatar. Hell, it took Gura a fucking age to put out a dakimakura because her cartoon face is too short and flat for international regulations.
>European countries are higher on most indexes of freedom than America
So go out in public and question the Six Gorillion. See what happens.

>>65359752
you won 3 clot shots kek

>>65361839
Not the time or the place Anon, but still funny.

>>65329994
There should be more brits or frenchies into vtubing, but cover is fine.

Also DHL HATES EUafaik

>>65359864
Come on, it's Kiara.

Now, without jest...there is less of a donating culture for entertainment, but there is a market, it just happens that it is smaller by the population it has because less % will actually pay a dime. But it would be very profitable if they do it right, vtuber wise Europe kinda hasn't really opened up yet, there is market to tap. One issue is language, though. So they will need to be at least fluent in their native language and english. Both necessarily.

I kinda think in the Euro zone merch would be waaaay more popular to adquire if there wasn't those retarded shipping fees on top of the border control which adds the same tax as anything sold here has, plus handling of the packet by customs, which is absolutely killer for anything sub 60€ or less, because it suddenly climbs 18-21% + 25€ or so. Ah, the tax is calculated from the value of the product + shipping costs. Fix shipping costs and merch will become profitable, it doesn't make sense how much they charge when air small packet is like 10€.

Merchandise notwithstanding, Europe in regards to streaming culture is somewhat different, and I am sure that this plus what I said before makes cover think thrice about it.

Also Kiara needs to talk in her more normal voice, it's lovely without the sudden spikes.

>>65361709
No, 4chan is not extreme. It's just an internet forum, it's very tame and nobody finds it shocking in most of Europe.
You need to try to understand how the situation differs between America and European countries. Like in the Netherlands, weed is illegal like any other drug, but the Netherlands has a reputation of legalized drug use. How is this possible? Because there is a concept of tolerance in the Netherlands, so it's illegal but not enforced, and there are coffee shops selling weed in most cities. This is very different to the situation in America where you might get arrested for saying the wrong thing or shot dead for a minor traffic violation. So while there are laws against the most insane forms of speech that incite hate, it's not going to be enforced unless an example is made out of someone. This only really happened once in recent history, and now the guy that got convicted is set to become the prime minister. Yet you would get thrown in a jail cell at gunpoint for far less, and you call that freedom.
So, again, I have to point out the big difference in culture and the meaning of laws between America and European countries. Besides there are over 400 years of strong economic ties between Japan and The Netherlands. There is no sense in the reasons you gave.

>>65361709
>So go out in public and question the Six Gorillion
nta but which country are you referring to? I know in mine this would be fine. There are no laws against it because freedom of expression was deemed to be of too high a value

>>65362331
>They need to be fluent in their native language and English.
So, you're talking about tapping a much smaller market by having people speak in their native language sometimes. You're cutting off chunks of viewership if you have the stream in their native language and it's exactly why Kiara hasn't touched her DE channel since she made it.
I know your next statement will be "Well you have to start somewhere if you want to get a foothold", but it's just not worth it when you get a decent chunk of the fanbase potential that's already there covered by EN and half of ID. You're asking them to take on a bunch of extra headaches when they already have a share of the market without any work.

>>65335063
It's easier to get the mindchairs of the SEA audience because alot of the media they consume is japanese adjacent.
That's how shit like fuwamoco cosplayers or gura body pillows show up on national tv.
The average euro hates anime aside from nasty shit like eroguro

>>65338331
Germany, Spain, Portugal, Italy and France I am sure would want the content in their language. The Netherllands I am not sure if they care much about weeb stuff. Belgium might want some, but at best they are like the french. Don't overstimate how much english people know.

>>65332281

No, no no.

HoloPowers: 2 German, 2 Austrian, 1 Italian.
Italian offcollabs more with HoloAlliance. Germans and Austrians stream exclusively in German.

HoloAlliance: 2 French, 2 British, 1 Belgian.
All very snobish. Also, the Belgian is the only normal one(on the surface).

HoloPowderKEK: 1 Serb, 1 Bosnian, 1 Croatian, 1 Albanian. Speedrunning graduations when they go for their 1st anniversary to do 3D in japan. What happens is all over the news.

HoloPowderKEK2: 1 Greek, 1 Italian, 1 from Cypruss, 1 german of turk origin. --> Passive agressive gen, they hate each other but at the same time work well togheter even if they hate each other guts.

HoloZzzzZzzzz: 1 Spanish, 1 Portuguese, 1 Mexican, 1 Chilean, 1 Brazilian. --> Actually the branch with most drama and bullshit. Also highly entertaining. Get in fight with some other corpo.

>>65363389
>The average euro hates anime
>I was told it in a dream one time
What the fuck are you talking about? Where are you getting this idea from?

>>65362344
>No, 4chan is not extreme. It's just an internet forum, it's very tame and nobody finds it shocking in most of Europe.
You sure about that? This place gets treated like Cao Cao or Lord Voldemort or something. Corpo vtubers dare not speak its name, lest we appear.
>Because there is a concept of tolerance in the Netherlands
Well you are at least partially right, because the concept of "tolerance" isn't really in the American lexicon. Not for about 22 years, anyway.
>arrested for saying the wrong thing or shot dead for a minor traffic violation
That usually happens to people with a long list of prior offenses. Y'know, Cleetus and Jamal. Nobody cares about Cleetus though.
>the most insane forms of speech that incite hate
According to Germany simple math, thermal energy calculations, and asking for soil samples qualify as that.
>This only really happened once in recent history, and now the guy that got convicted is set to become the prime minister.
The funny mustache man had a similar backstory.
>there are over 400 years of strong economic ties between Japan and The Netherlands
Ironically it was easier when your relationship was one of arms dealing and medicine. Besides, I'm pretty sure it's the greater EU causing COVER's reluctance to expand into Europe rather than individual member states.

>>65333345
Can you return Czechia please? Thank you.

>>65333723
>latinxs
Moron, go put an xbox up your ass, damn woke gringo schizo con palabros de mierda.

>>65340324
It's great because the more it is used the less latinos wille eat up woke slop.

>>65362426
>nta but which country are you referring to?
https://apnews.com/article/europe-crime-berlin-the-holocaust-15972809c1bf40f8eb8d2935d04c3b2d
I'd rather not speak of this further on /vt/. It's a topic for another board.

>>65341749
And here I thought that our fellow northern europeans weren't following the tradition of shitting about their neighbours. It's nice to know.

>>65363633
Nah, you're just delusional and off on a rant that isn't consistent with reality. There is lots of racism in Europe as well as tolerance for racism and other law breaking activities, it's actually more of a nuisance that law enforcement isn't as strict as America sometimes. Nobody cares about stuff like 4chan, and if you really flip out, people will just tell you to act normal.

The only real reason Japanese companies would choose not to operate in many European countries is because of the taxes and worker protections. But even that hasn't stopped big and small Japanese businesses before. So all I can say is your story is probably a fantasy and it's more because of random circumstance that they didn't hire more from Europe.

>>65364611
>Nobody cares about stuff like 4chan, and if you really flip out, people will just tell you to act normal.
That whole "When in Rome..." thing is great on a personal scale but it's scary on an international business scale.
>The only real reason Japanese companies would choose not to operate in many European countries is because of the taxes and worker protections
Taxes and worker protections are elements of the bureaucratic clusterfuck of which I speak, yes.
>So all I can say is your story is probably a fantasy
You can think that. I'm not the fuckin' thought police.

>>65363633
Smart people don't talk about stuff that brings them unnecessary attention. That's all.

>>65342077
You know what happens if the law finds out about you employing people but masquerading them as independent workers, do you? I mean, they send you to financial gulag Euro-wise with fines that are too much even for bigger fish than cover.

>>65364824
Neither do cowards.

>>65347417
Wash your mouth with napalm before talking shit about Nina.

>>65364793
>That whole "When in Rome..." thing is great on a personal scale but it's scary on an international business scale.
It's non-existent. The crazies screaming stuff in towns aren't going to stop business. Just like Kiara isn't fired because someone in Austria defecates in the street. It has so much distance that it's as if it doesn't exist.
Stop trying to salvage an unsalvageable edgy comment that I bet you don't really stand behind 100% in retrospect.

>>65364866
Okay mister heroism, the brave.

>>65365002
>Stop trying to salvage an unsalvageable edgy comment that I bet you don't really stand behind 100% in retrospect.
I absolutely stand by it as a part of the greater whole. Banks, entitlements, speech regulations, international laws, the list goes on. You can point your finger at any and all of them. You'll probably be partially right. It's not a simple issue.
>>65365093
There is a space between "coward" and "hero." It's where most people are.

>>65355892
She has to live somewhere remote, because optic fiber is literally mandatory in the EU (there is times still to do it), and I know my country is one of the top three in implementation (to the point you have to live pretty much in the middle of nowhere to not have it) but anything urban should have it by now everywhere.

>>65359422
>People get arrested for throwing a bellamy salute in public
In the majority of Europe people will look at you funny if you do, but the arresting you part is only in Germany, Poland, Czechia and Slovakia.

>>65329994
funny that cover thought kiara was australian not austrian so if it were up to them they wouldnt have any hololive members from eu

>>65365165
My dude, Austria is not the best on any of those points. But you are definitely free to see hidden reasons where there are probably none.

>>65361989
DHL if you are refering to the shipping company, is utterly shit and will charge you whatever they can even if it's ilegal.

>>65362588
No, that statement about a foothold is dumb.

You can have bilingual chuubas. It's just that they will stream in both, a bit like some HoloID do. And certain languages and accents you anglos are gonna be throwing your wallet at the screen too:D

Merch would work well here if not for the terrible case of EU customs making sure everything costs way more on top of Cover shipping costs which are ridicolous.

>>65330105
>>65330967
the post is obviously a joke, it mentions ID.

>>65365307
>My dude, Austria is not the best on any of those points
But better than some, and frankly Kiara was worth the risk, especially for EN and especially early on in their international efforts. She's a polyglot (including English and Japanese), has spent a lot of time traveling, and is usually careful about what she says. Starting a whole branch made up of girls from various countries speaking various languages that don't necessarily include Japanese or English? Overtly risky.

nobody cares about ur dogshit muslim countries

>>65365406
DHL will also go through heaven and fucking hell to order your package, so I like them for that.
>>65359422
Fuck no. Europe's biggest issue is that they have to play the afternoon timeslot in America and the asscrack of dawn in Japan. They are never gonna win compared to America or indoneisia.

>>65366446
>Hololive Indonesia
>Indonesia
>87% Muslim
>>65366484
Also a fair point.

Me and my family will migrate to US and vote democrat

>>65366945
I am so sorry you think voting does anything, but good luck.

>>65360868
>As far as I'm aware Belgium, Switzerland, and Germany don't write their laws in English.
German isn't exactly some tiny niche language that it's impossible to find translators for. But I'm not sure how that's related to "community management" or how it would be an issue at all, really. Other vtuber companies don't seem to have a problem with this. Hell, Hololive itself already has a chuuba who now lives in a German-speaking country. Conversely, they don't have any Brits. I can assure you that language isn't the problem here.

>>65367959
>Hell, Hololive itself already has a chuuba who now lives in a German-speaking country
Whom they do not require a dedicated lawyer for because most of Austria's speech regulations are things that aren't allowed by Youtube ToS anyway.
>Conversely, they don't have any Brits. I can assure you that language isn't the problem here.
True. I'd wager their end of things more related to bureaucratic red tape and currency. If dealing with Euros is a pain in the ass dealing with Pounds Sterling is worse.

>EU thread
>Some mutt comes in and starts screaming about politics
Every time

>>65370604
It's almost like Europe is a place where independent nations combined into a union creating a complex sociopolitical environment.

>>65329994
The reason there are no European HoloEN members is because none of them were good enough to pass the audition. Expect Kiara.

>>65330777
Yep, because there is no one to watch on YouTube beside late JP streams, ID or the homos...

>>65372013
Alright I've got an idea for Euros that's either half-baked or genius: HoloSPORTS. Find yourself some Euro girls that love soccer, baseball, rugby and shit like that. Then have them do sportcasting and live watchalongs of sporting events. Bring on the other girls as guests and drag in a whole new demographic of clientele.

What say you?

>>65373723
>Then have them do sportcasting and live watchalongs of sporting events.
Permissions though

>yuropooreans still tryharding
you will never be relevant.
you will never be pandered to.

>>65331776
I'm donating my oshi through another country's bank card. You think little things like economic problems and war are gonna stop me? Those are excuses. t.ruskie ssrb

>>65329994
Europe isnt English retard

>>65376127
then cover should find some talents that speak european

>>65374338
Hell, Kilia and Amora from EIEN got fucked by the BBC for hosting a watchalong of Britain's got Talent a few weeks ago. Not even talking about the fact that tuber living in Germany would have to apply for a broadcasting license or face fines if their audience grows beyond a certain number. There are a lot of headaches regarding local tax and youth protection laws that have to be observed as well.

For example, there used to be a German Vtuber agency called... pitapat, but they didn't even last a year before shutting down for unknown reasons. Laws are the biggest hurdle. Euros have no problem watching anglo tubers, but anglo tubers are less likely to watch euro tubers, even if they streamed in English. Twitch is alive and well with dozens of successful Euro vtubers streaming bilingually or primarily in English.

Where people are from is less important to viewers than the times they stream at. If Hololive wanted to they could capitalize on the EU, Russian and Korean market by forcing a gen to stream mostly around EU afternoons/Russian and Koran evenings, but still have them be from the US.