/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6523398
I see you pinning your tweet Cyberlive

>>6523398
Nijisanji reject? Nijisanji reject

>>6523398
>NijiEN
Interested
>Cyberlive
>4vLive
Literally who

>>6523398
>look at this bottomfeeders
>how cute..

Well, this is looking to be a bloodbath. I'm interested in NijiEN if it will have a boost like it did for IRyS after the success of HoloEN. I'm sure it won't be big but I want to see if such a boost across the EN branch will occur.

Battle of the b-teams! I'm so excited

Why is there another Elira?

i'll watch them all. debuts are the only good streams vtubers can have

I feel so goddamn bad for these new groups. They are going to need some serious luck to rise, phase connect had the luck of being here but i'm not so sure about these

>>6523654
isnt cyberlive the one with the /asp/

>>6523398
>>6523465
It's the current vtuber ecosystem foodchain:

Hololive EN, then one step below are the NijiENs who are Holo rejects.
And below them are all the new "startup agency" chubbas, who are NijiEN rejects.

>>6523654
What's the current landscape of english agency vtubers?

I know of
>Tsunderia
>Prism Project
>Kawaii Productions
>Phase Connect
>Amber Glow
there's probably more, but I'm just going off who gets an actual semiregular thread on /vt/.

Who's doing well (in views, subs, sc's, whatever metric you deem relevant) and inclining? Because I don't wanna get invested in some shitters who're most likely gonna fold in a few months...

>>6523976
Heavenrend as well, though they don't tend get threads on here

>>6523398
I feel bad for 4V Live, as if NIJI wave 2 wasn't bad enough Cyber will hog the "I support small companies" spotlight even more.

>>6523691
Vshojo is above NijiEN whether you like them or not. It makes me salty that Veibae gets better numbers than Kiara sometimes.

>>6524113
Why do you guys worry about numbers so much.
Retention is what you what you want.

1k people that love your stuff and superchat are worth more than shitters that do nothing.

>>6523398
None will come close to IRyS even counting all of them together before release.

>>6523976
>Tsunderia
Slow growth I think, new gen might change things up but I half expect a flop there if the clip-bait strategy doesn't work
>Prism Project
Inclining real hard
>Kawaii Productions
I don't follow them too closely but they seem to be inclining a bit
>Phase Connect
Still stabilising so it's hard to tell, but probably the strongest start for a new western agency so far.
>Amber Glow
Nunki seems to be doing well, the rest are a bit stagnant currently.

I'm expecting CyberLive will do better than amberglow at least but it's hard to know exactly. They've gotten a reasonable bit of attention but they also seem pretty scuffed chaotic on the whole. I'm at least partial to some of the talents from what I've seen so far.

>>6524048
They feel a lot more like a group of indies to me, probably more /wvt/ territory along with SPro.

CyberLive has been really fun so far with their discord server interactions.

>>6525179
Heavenrend does have a company. I know they wanted to do some shared universe thing with written storyline implemented into the streams/characters, but I haven't really been watching enough to know if they have or not

>>6525301
I don't know how to feel about CL and PC doing the discord thing, I like that they're trying to give more interaction and differentiate themselves, but the crowd they attract is too cringe and the noise from discord is too voluminous to keep up with.

>>6523489
>Cyberlive
They have a grand strategy chuuba.

>>6525721
What's the "discord thing"?
Do they have their chubas do more direct fan interactions on there?

Cyberlive Debut times

>>6525945
EN Wave 2 debut time

>>6524113
Vshojo doesn't operate like a typical agency though, it's more of an extended friend group that only accepts relatively big names

>>6524113
if you're purely numberfagging, yes; although Vshojo is basically playing by it's own bizzare ruleset out of the normal vtuber ecosystem so I don't tend to count them in things. They're successful as well as entertaining, but too drastically different from holos or nijis

>>6525995
4vlive debut time

>>6525878
They have been really fun on the server and I think it will work out well for them. Parasocial fagging their fans before debut, but I like it.

>>6523976
Prism has the best outlook at the moment.
Kawaii has one girl that's inclining but its not really transferring to the rest
Tsunderia is stagnant, but they're also the oldest company and have proven themselves quite resilient. They're also well positioned to leech off prism
Phase connect is basically irrelevant outside of being /here/
Amber glow is completely irrelevant, even though they're /here/

>>6525945
>>6525995

NijiEN is going to mog half of cyberlive

>>6526563
>Phase connect is basically irrelevant outside of being /here/
False, they seem to have a small loyal following the bear in particular kills it with any music stuff she does.

>>6526665
Pippa is not only /here/, but her roommate still streams and Pippa's talked about on the farms.

>>6523567
I hope they get at least 40-50k live viewers on their debut stream. However, i think that’s too much. 30k will be the max

>>6523617
Probably kept one of the illustrator's alt drawings?

for which group should I be hyped?

>>6526653
Cyberlive times don't clash with them so other than spotlight not much will be affected. Maybe they can run ads to help

>>6523398
>Amaris Yuri
Is that another Nacho shit i see her squirting out

>>6527016
NIJI wave 2 for obvious reasons, if you meant out of the other two then cyber

>>6523398
NijiEN are top tier.
Cyberlive look fine, the white and pink are cute.
4V might as well be Deviantart rejects.

>>6527040
Different artist.

>>6527040
nah, her model is by rik0ring

>>6527016
If you follow the major agencies like Holo or Niji, wave 2 is obviously a big deal.
If you follow the startup scene? CyberLive.
If you like shitposting and drama? CyberLive, based on the track record. Not to say I'm not keen for them.

>>6523398
4VLive got so cucked. NIJI for the mainstream scene, and CL for the startup screen taking all eyes away from them. Doesn't help they have built 0 hype around their brand. CL has been in a few yabs but those have been contained here and still have hype in the startup scene.

>>6528193
>CL has been in a few yabs but those have been contained here
If anything it's probably helped build interest here, as much as I doubt they feel great about it themselves.

>>6523398
Just stop already. These groups are gonna get peanuts for views. Stop making new groups just go indie and wait for big studio auditions.

>>6529067
i like watching the small companies. Watching much more organized, funded groups is easier to follow than indies.

>>6525998
>>6526001
This. Vshojo didn't need to reinvent or reincarnate themselves like most Vtubers who join companies, they're basically a group of indies that banded together with their followings. Their numbers were there even before they joined.

>>6529067
Easier to groom though anon

>>6523489
>Literally who
The ones who gonna beat Niji

HoloEN
>bzzzt
>Yes, Yagoo?
>anycolor released another wave
>drop the new EN generation and activate the MOGGENING plan

>>6525179
Tsunderia is the epitome of slow and steady wins the race. Even if the dullahan flops, the fox is an artist that can apparently sing too. Wouldn't surprise me if she winds up carrying. And Tsunquest + Purin are still pulling consistent numbers, plus new outfits in the process of being revealed.
Must suck to see their rrat become a flower in another group, but Miori is still a great trade. The goodwill Tsunderia has in the VTuber community is the one thing they have over every other VTuber agency, but it's paid off for them. They're not going anywhere.

More importantly how are they going to do against HololiveEN Gen 2 though, thats all that matters in the end?
That shit is supposed to be happening by the end of the month, if Calli's doxing is to believed at least.

People don't realize these girls make the money invested into them back fairly quickly, after that it's pure profit. That's why these small groups pop up so often.

>>6529801
Only takes one announcement about EN 2 to direct away all the attention from these debuts. Too powerful. That or a Gura karaoke.

>>6523398
I'm gonna laugh when the NijiEN debuts finish dead last in viewership among these groups.

>>6530085
They won't, they'll remain 2nd. None of these smaller groups manage to get past 100 viewers most of the time.

>>6529819
>Must suck to see their rrat become a flower in another group, but Miori is still a great trade.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tsunderia get the last laugh there honestly. Some of their talents, namely Yuuna, can pull hundreds of viewers as is, that's not all that far behind NijiEn without having the same brand recognition. The rat might not have been that far behind where I expect she'll end up, and Tsunderia are probably better off without her bullshit anyway. It's just a shame that most people jumping on the bandwagon won't know or care about the history there.

>>6529878
Niji overlap with Holo a bit, but the streaming experience with smaller agencies is so drastically different that they're competing much less than you would think. It's mostly an issue around the time of debuts and losing out on potential hype.

>>6530210
>Some of their talents, namely Yuuna, can pull hundreds of viewers as is

It's literally just her. the rest can't break 100.

>>6530210
Menhera Miki going to NijiEN is so fucking funny

>>6525945
nice, the only two i'm semi-interested in are debuting friday, i'll check em out. the rest have bland/unappealing designs that are already filtering me
>>6526139
their designs are awful and these descriptions are weird, no thanks. even more dead on arrival than amber glow and heavenrend

>>6530639
Miori, Char, and Purin all do regularly, although Miori is the only one of them that schedules regular streams anymore

>>6526139
I sure hope the 4v CEO paid off his student loans
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/kgi4im/2_days_ago_i_created_a_shtstorm_on_a/

>>6530639
They do low three figures, and they would be getting fucked much harder by YT's broken viewercounts than niji on account of not pandering to normies. That said, Ria wasn't exactly struggling for viewers so Yuuna's the comparison to make here.

>>6531094
I'm a numberfag and every time I see any non-Yuuna member, they're struggling to break 100. They might hit 100 or 120 oncei n a while but I might be missing something.

>>6525878
talents were playing skribblio and gartic phone earlier with everyone in vc. the manager vtuber has been in and out so it's clearly fine for them to interact like this

>>6530049
>drop the unarchived Gurailla karaoke this weekend
>but watame they are just women and children
>good

>>6525721
It's the smartest thing to do, honestly. The /vt/ crowd is pretty worthless in the bigger picture.

>>6529819
>>6530210
>>6530880
Can I get a rundown on Miki? I learned about her shortly before she graduated and have only seen some vague rrats hinting at her being a backstabber or something

Did somebody say grand strategy? Who and what game?

>>6531670
So is the discord crowd, on top of which having a discord where fans can interact directly with the chuuba is a recipe for discord drama

>>6531839
Every startup but prism has them and so far the worst I have seen with servers is an "inner circle" but even then prism has fan servers so it is unavoidable

>>6531839
The discord schizos are the main ones dropping money, even on indies.

Probably they have inside info of EN2 coming soon so they want to release their gens before they get overshadowed.
vsinger was fortunately only one person for them

>>6531962
All it takes is for one fan to throw a bitch fit over being unfairly treated by a mod or for the wrong guy to get modded and the whole thing will fall apart like a house of cards. With fan discords this kind of drama can be safely swept aside and kept in its own little bubble, but if it happens in an official discord the chuubas have to weigh in on it, even if its just their silence, and that shit has the potential to spiral out of control very quickly.

>>6531804
lumi
also mentioned playing stellaris frostpunk and civ

>>6532063
It won't and doesn't happen. Stop with the discord bogeyman bullshit

I heard Cyberlive has someone who plays gsg, I'll check them out at least

>>6532063
Fair, but there hasn't been any with the other companies. Tsunderia has like what, 10 servers and nothing crazy has really happened.

>>6523398
Damn cyberlive designs really are bland no cool symbols, almost zero accessories and the lack of details is huge, of all these new waves only nijien and phase connect know what they are doing with the designs

>>6532216
phase connect did almost all jackets what are you on about anon

>>6532215
Tsunderia has 6 right now, probably 2 more are being worked on for their new chuubas. There was a little drama when they still had Kana, but given that her server is STILL dealing with drama (and has basically just become an extension of her /vt/ threads now), it seems like the problem was her and not them

>>6532238
Nta but I don't see the fuss over the jackets, the overall designs for each PC member are pretty strong and distinct. Lookswise, they're my favorite out of all the recently debuted gens/companies. I like that Kevin actually shelled out some cash for decent designs and rigging. They also have the most potential for future customization and alt costumes

>>6532238
jackets aren't that bad as long as you make the person wearing then unique

>>6531639
dont you dare

>>6532215
Didn't Kana get into a spat of discord drama that's been raging since before she left?

>>6523398
One of these are going to be a complete disaster. Ill be sure to watch it live as it happens

>>6532107
>Lumi
She looks like a grade S slut too, yeah I'm buying her coins.

>>6531771
This is the best I've got. The gist is basically Miki got into Tsunderia as Ria, got a ton of assets from them (potentially including streaming hardware), then she put in hardly any effort into it and leaves three months in. Also all the superchats in Ria graduation stream got refunded, but she got the full payout from Tsunderia's pockets anyways. Tsunderia effectively unpersoned her because of all this.

Wasn't niji en2 supposed to have homos in it? What happened?

>>6532610
homo auditions are still open, that's probably gonna be like niji en4

they literally just made elira with purple hair and a scowl

>>6532521
im in the discord and she is very shy. could be another finana but too early to tell

cyberlive's grand strategy is just copy everyone else.

according to this thread Niji en2 sounds like a complete trainwreck with the people they have

>>6525726
ok you got me

>>6530049
Even just something random and out of the ordinary like a cursed Mori Ame ASMR slime collab will decimate the majority of these debuts

>>6532864
if theres already a vst chuuba out there please share, anon

>>6523398
I’m so tired of literal who’s getting a friend to make a Twitter account and calling it an “agency”

>>6532878
Is just more of the same
maybe penguin can bring something different.

>>6532948
>maybe penguin can bring something different
>>6531867

>>6532938
Samefag but obviously talking about the last one that’s obviously responsible for this self post. 1000 follower Twitter kids taking a word and putting “live” after it and calling it an agency. Having a group or stream team on twitch isn’t an agency.

Companies are making their debuts now to avoid the massive hypestorm EN2 will be. Just look IRyS, with a shitty design but already have half a million subs.

>>6531670
Discord offers less visibility than an active general. I'm talking out my arse here but I'd say it's more about retaining fans so they don't just drop off after the honeymoon period, and boosting engagement to make people more likely to whale. The flip side to that I've seen some of these communities end up being full of kids who are indifferent to the chuuba, and others where the circlejerk and cringe spreads into streams enough that it puts off other viewers.

>>6533020
They've all at least thrown money at models, though I don't know that 4live is going very far beyond that.

>>6532929
> Copy Tsunderia ToS
> Copy Vshojo Video
> Copy Prism Twitter Debut Hype Post
> Copy Phase Connect Character Lore & DC

Plus shit load of bad drama from previous life as a company.

>>6533190
after 4 threads of cyberlive rrats im tired of reading drama. if you have actual /vst/ chuubas post them otherwise go schizopost elsewhere

>>6529878
>Calli's doxing is to be believed at least.
Spoon feed me please

>>6533190
literally no one wants to hear more about rrats and drama anymore unless its the fault of the chuubas.

>>6529508
I don't trust anything about VShojo until i see what happens when one of them leaves or get kicked out

>>6534035
VShojo operates a lot differently so I really can't see that happening. All the girls aside from Hime were all pretty close prior to VShojo which was in the works as far back as early last year. It's closer to a talent agency in that they bring on existing talents than a vtuber one that just recruits and rebrands them

>>6534417
Can you answer what happens with full confidence when one of them leaves though?

>>6534448
Not including retirement, the only way that will happen is if two of them have a falling out, in the "catfight" sort of sense. The way vshoujo is set up there's no reason to leave unless you really really don't like another member for some reason

>>6534504
What do you think could possibly happen? They're all close friends and are allowed to collab with whoever they want whenever they want, so aside from one of them just coming out as a closet serial rapist who hates black people and stomps dogs, I don't see much of anything happening.

>>6534543
What's his face sells out to amazon who start making massive management changes.

>>6533404
Thats just it, the doxer prime keeps letting it slip in streams, she just can't herself, even revealed how many member it will have during the Gura collab.

Niji EN is entertaining enough. So I look forward to gen 2. Cyber has some nice singing voices I like.

>>6532564
She seems like some Hitomi Chris type person, no wonder Hololive told her to fuck off.

>>6532564
I wouldn't say they completely erased her existence. Urara used her png to hide her numbers during her RFA stream to great hilarity. But she isn't exactly talked about with fondness, either

>>6523398
Inb4 gura comes back on debut day and mogs everyone with her 3mil celebration

>>6534697
How many members? What are they not going for five?

>>6532107
Is she legit?

>irys had 100k subs before her debut
>penguin has 15k

What went wrong? Their previous channels were both similar in size. Did hololive win?

>>6545688
>100k
try 275k

>>6541971
are you ok retardchama

>>6523398
I think niji is gonna mog everyone else

>>6533115
>>6545688
>Hololive
That's it, brand name. Namirin had a MUCH better avatar when she was by herself but barley had any live viewers, SC, and subs compared to now. If anyone denies the Hololive branding power at this point, you are a retard.

>>6530639
Kalin was sitting at 200+ consistently all last night.

>>6549883
everyone is scheduling around niji. even miori from tsunderia moved her outfit reveal. the only one getting mogged is 4vlive, the reddit 'agency'

>>6526563
>Kawaii has one girl that's inclining but its not really transferring to the rest.
Nene is really good as a streamer in keeping chat fun. Charlotte and Isla are just a great too, don't forget. I believe in that a rising tide lifts all boats. Reine and Hana will get up there.

>>6523976
Add these literal whos to the list:
Lumilive - Which got hammered by 2 of 4members leaving, replaced with other voices, replaced the names, and kept the avatars (Runa Kei now Freya Hoshino & Keiko Koi now Estelle) . Reiyu Guigui is the only one holding up with over 10k followers. Mei Amaya's ISP is so bad that she's out for weeks making her appearance random.

Virtuality Project - Which also got hammered by 2 of the 5 members going independent. This devastated the agency causing Yuria, Stratogeist, and Seru to stagnate so badly.

>>6523398
nijiEN they are the only ones who hire a fucking Illustrator for the debut WTF

>>6523976
>>6523976
Add these literal whos to the list:
Lumilive - Which got hammered by 2 of 4 members leaving, replaced with other voices, replaced the names, and kept the avatars (Runa Kei now Freya Hoshino & Keiko Koi now Estelle) . Reiyu Guigui is the only one holding up with over 10k followers. Mei Amaya's ISP is so bad that she's out for weeks making her appearance random.

Virtuality Project - Which also got hammered by 2 of the 5 members going independent. This devastated the agency causing Yuria, Stratogeist, and Seru to stagnate so badly.

>>6554389
kawaii talents are all great, too bad reina and hana have boring designs

>>6554862
Make it 3, Seru just announced graduation so only 2 are left. I honestly feel bad for the girls. Hope they can get out

>>6525179
Kawaii production is still small, but its experiencing a minor incline right now. The main thing holding it back IMO is the retarded Collab rule (only two Collab's a month) which makes the girls feel more like a group of loosely connected indies than an actual agency. For example; Charlotte Suzu, my Oshi, is part of Kawaii productions. Despite this, I know hardly anything about what the other girls in Kawaii are actually like. I don't know why they have the rule, but honestly I'd expect a sharp incline if its ever removed.

>>6555108
It may be simplistic to but that style of design lends very well to simping. The cute date outfit is a really popular one for "pure" girls.

>>6555818
It was also mentioned that there was limit to how long the talents could stream and it was also lifted.

>>6526824
who is the roommate?

>>6555818
Why do companies have these retarded rules about collabs? It makes absolutely zero sense to limit that I don't get it

>>6555818
It was also mentioned somewhere that there was limit to how long the talents could stream.

>>6555999
I'll presume limited management who want to be the ones to handle it to avoid any PR issues. So instead of letting 1 girl hog all the comms, they limit it to 2 max so there's plenty of time for everyone to get a collab if they want.

At least that'd be my hypothesis.

>>6555486
jesas

>>6555486
Good grief anon, what's going on with that agency?

I kinda wish IRyS didn't debut until this week. Shit would've been like a chuuba royal rumble.

>>6557018
>I kinda wish IRyS didn't debut until this week. Shit would've been like a chuuba royal rumble.
All the other groups probably caught wind that IRS was going to debut soon and decided to hold off until the storm passed. None of them are stupid enough to fuck their girls over by debuting them the same week as a new Hololive girl.

>>6556070
Charlotte mentioned that the time limit was taken off, It's a good sign showing management is willing to change I'm guessing the collab thing will go sooner or later too.

>>6557868
I know it doesn't make any business sense but I can't help but imagine what /vt/ would look like if that shit went down.
>None of them are stupid enough to fuck their girls over by debuting them the same week as a new Hololive girl.
I kinda wonder what would happen if ever a Niji and Holo debuted at the same time. Let's assume that both of them announced it and neither of them were aware of the other's plans. Would Niji backdown and change the time fo debut? Could they even afford to backdown since even a time change to avoid the Holo debut would be seen as a show of weakness? Or do they just go fuck it and do it anyway which may undermine their chuuba's growth?

>>6557018
IRyS already won, they're fighting for second place.

>>6558203
It literally happened before with NijiJP and HoloJP.

>>6558203
They already did.

Pina!

>>6555950
moth

>>6554862
>>6555486
Jeez. This kind of shit just highlights how important getting your first wave right is. Niji and Holo lucked out in getting Mito and Sora. I'll even go a step further and say that Yagoo getting FBK really helped to establish the culture inside the company. Chuuba agencies should do a better job at screening their recruits and instead of looking for the next Gura, they should start looking for the next Sora/Mito (Foundational chuuba) and FBK (glue guy) instead. Then again, people like that don't really grow on trees.

>>6524113

If you're numberfagging, yes.

If you're talking about actual retention or being an actual agency instead of "Group of indie big names that are afraid of the hololive invasion", no.

>>6558500
Nijisanji got lucky with Mito.
But Sora basically just worked because she kept at it from the start and just powered through it long enough to get Fubiki in and give her the audience for retarded memes to go viral.

Bluntly speaking, first wave hololive isn't that special, in fact its actually pretty bad Fubuki was it's only saving grace. Second wave is probably even worse. It wasn't really until gamers and 3rd wave that took off, and that was more just them getting lucky with timing rather than anyone in particularly doing something special.

>>6558613
>Group retention
they haven't lost a single person though? they literally have 100% retention. meanwhile niji has something like a 18% loss rate while hololive has like a 25% forced retirement rate.

>>6525726
which one?

>>6558254
>>6558276
Not exactly the same though. Nijisanji could afford a throw away wave like Selene because Japan remains their home turf (although a bit less so nowadays). Also, no one back then thought that the debuts for Gen 5 would be that big. A lot of people thought 40-50k was already pushing it. Selene's number are actually what used to be the average for debuts. The EN side is different though. No home court advantage plus they have very little traction in the west. One of their waves flopping would actually hurt their expansion.

How close are we to market saturation?

>>6558652
I guess I framed my argument a bit wrong then. Niji got lucky with Mito because she's actually fucking talented. Holo got lucky with Sora because she was willing to grind and kept the concept of Hololive afloat long enough for the actual game changers like FBK, Aqua, and Gen 3 to join the company. So I guess what I'm saying is that Chuuba companies should either look for a really talented person ala Mito or get someone who's willing to grind for a start-up and be in it for the long haul like Sora. Good luck getting either one of those.

>>6558844
All these startups arent going to survive. They cant keep growing without innovating.

>>6558652

>But Sora basically just worked because she kept at it from the start and just powered through it long enough to get Fubiki in and give her the audience for retarded memes to go viral.

In japan, maybe. In the west Sora remained a de-facto "literally who?" and it was Miko who accidentally gave Fubuki the retard meme audience, which later opened the door for her hamburgaga remix and lyger's Matsuri bandaids clip.

Also, define first and second wave. If you're counting count 0 as a wave, then you're being retarded because Suisei and Miko are there. If you go by Gen 1... no, because Matsuri, Hachaama and Fubuki are in it, and Hachaama was big until Coco came around and Hachaama had to practically reinvent herself (although yes for Aki is struggling again and Mel who has become a nothingburger after youtube began to clamp down on ASMRs).

If by second wave you mean 2nd gen, you're literally retarded as that one had Aqua, which was their biggest earned in West Taiwan during the early days.

>>6558652
>hat was more just them getting lucky with timing rather than anyone in particularly doing something special.
Tsunderia is the only startup capable of reproducing this as they were able to pick up Miori when MyHolo crumbled.

>>6558691

Wrong retention, anon.

>>6559310
Everyone brings up Miori, but I honestly don't see her appeal.
I feel like Purin has been doing most the heavy lifting (ala korone, ironically). And Yuuna is probably the best streamer of the group but gets ignored because her streams aren't particularly hype.
But Miori just seems kinda boring from what I've seen.

>>6558500
Tsunderia really lucked out in that regard. Kana had all the makings of a great face of the company, but she turned out to be too autistic to handle the responsibilities. It was only through Char's networking that the company stayed afloat and earned a ton of goodwill in the community, and now they have Yuuna and Miori that are doing the same

>>6523398
>All three agencies release their shit at the same time as soon as possible
I guess the leaked announcement that HololiveEN Gen 2 coming at the end of the month is true, uh? I guess they don't want to get in the way, smart move since last time's shitshow.

>>6559406
Watch her recent collab with Shiki and youll see.

>>6541971
Four members in HololieEN Gen 2, I guess they want to use IRyS as the fifth member since they are releasing so close together.

>>6559406
Miori is a top-tier singer/mixer and her streams are almost always extremely high energy. All of her collabs show off how charismatic she is with others, and even her solo streams are usually really energetic and generally hype

>>6527016
check them all out

>>6559451
Don't really watch Tsunderia since I already have too many Chuubas to watch and not enough time in the day but I'm glad to hear that Tsunderia bro. I'mma root for you.

Will they be collabing with each other like agencies used to do a lot in the past?
That includes HololiveEN as well.

>>6559466
>>6559520
fair, I'll give her a few extra watches. I think I've only seen 2 streams of hers, one was the one last night which I just felt was pretty lack luster.
i'll watch to goose vod.

>>6559621
Also listen to her Usseewa and Telecaster B-Boy covers. They show off her passion the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEPUOREsk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKKmmyFVKZA

>>6559463
Leaked announcement?

>>6559729
Aight that's pretty good. And her collab with Shiki has been pretty good too.
Guess she's sold on me now.

>>6559463
I don't know about any leaked announcement, but I think all the rumors about HoloEN Gen 2 debuting in August make more sense than at the end of this month. They probably want to focus in supporting IRyS and helping her to solidify her foothold in EN VTubing scene first. Giving her a month sounds about right, two weeks are a bit short.

>>6560596
They can't do August.
August is literally jammed packed with with anniversaries and birthdays that they would have to wait until September... which would overlap with EN 1 anniversary.

>>6534448
They own their stuff so nothing really. Presumably they have contracts handling the residual revenue from joint projects but beyond that they just go back to being indies or whatever.

>>6560710
>>6560596
I'm gonna agree, if they push to August it's going to be even worse than if they release holoen2 at the end of July. The plan likely was to release IRyS earlier, but Coco's graduation likely pushed everything back several weeks.
HoloEN gen 2 needs someone actually good at Vidya in general, because right now none of the Holoen girls have that level of skill like Aqua/Botan do, where they can easily pick up a game pretty quickly. Yes being retarded is cute, but sometimes I just wanna see a cute chubba absolutely demolish a game too.

If gen2 has 4 members with IRyS as a defacto 5th, then a good list would be...
>1 gaming autist
>1 unconventional pick/variety streamer
>1 trilingual English/JP/Spanish speaker(difficult)
>1 group leader/star power

Most will have little to no significant V-tuber experience, and will likely have noone we've heard about except for whoever is tapped to be star power/gen leader.

>>6558717
Lumi I think

>>6561227
>HoloEN gen 2 needs someone actually good at Vidya in general
nah, video games are boring

>>6561928
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door. /v/ is two clicks down

>>6550020
Nami was doing pretty well by indie standards, too, but there's just no beating the sheer bonus of being in Hololive; it's kind of insane. Before even doing a single stream, she was almost matching her old sub count, just by virtue of being a talent within the agency.

>>6558744
Yup, that's why i think all the agencies are debuting this week right after IRS. They all hear the rumors that HoloEN2 is coming soon and it only makes sense to get them out as fast as they can and give their girls as much time as possible to establish themselves before they come. The debut of the EN2 girls is probably going to be the event of the year for the western vtubing scene; no one wants to be the act that follows that.

Who are the recent graduations/hiatuses that haven't been explained yet? Niji accounted for six of them, IRyS was another. Is anyone left?

Tsunderia are /ourgirls/ and I want to see them do well.

>>6551112
4vlive's debut times don't overlap niji's, they should be fine unless the nijis decide to host a 24 hour post debut event or someshit

>>6559185
Suisei didn't join the company until late 2019, gen 0 is just "doesn't have a generation", it's not an actual gen

>>6566710
Speak for yourself, I'm more interested in Prism Project now cause they seem to have better production value.

>>6568021
Prismseems to be a lot more specialized. Each of their girls hits a certain VTubing niche, whereas Tsunderia's girls are incredibly well-rounded. They can all sing, they can all do GFE, pretty sure all of them produce art in some fashion. They might all have strengths, but they're versatile enough to not hit one note over and over.
Seems like the Prism girls have basically one strength and they lean into it hard. Meno is the imouto to protect, Aoi is the idol, Luto is the chuuni brat, etc.
Hard to say that either is better than the other at this point. Seeing how well they get along, I'd go so far as to say their styles compliment each other well. I hope they keep working together for a long time

>>6566710
We're fortunate enough that /ourgirls/ are spread across every agency of note, no need to restrict yourself to just one of them.

>>6568209
Both agencies have a good spread of skills, and that includes off-stream ones too. The biggest difference I see is more in how they interact with fans - Tsunderia keep their DMs open same each have their own discord, whereas PriPro are the opposite and are closer to the traditional JP experience.

>>6568021
Do the prism girls actually lurk though?

>>6568520
yes nia is an asp so at least she does

>>6523398
For me, it's the queen of /vst/, Kaneko Lumi.
BUT PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T STREAM AT BURGER HOURS ONLY

>>6523515
redjuice needs to be taken to the shed and shot.

>>6568520
Shiki has confirmed to lurk multiple times, everyone else I'm not sure.

do the cyberlive girls lurk on here?

>>6572261
I don't know about the talents, but the manager was damage controlling hard during the shitstorm.

>>6569121
can anyone else verify this rrat?

>>6523398
BATTLE ROYALE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>4V Live is literally an agency born on reddit
dropped before even picking up

>>6576705
nice blog how do I unsubscribe?

>>6523398
So who are (you) watching this weekend?

>>6582664
no one
t. euro

>>6523515
Im not even a tribalfag but her model really sucks

Posting here in case there's lurkers, I don't understand twitter but it doesn't show under the art tag.
https://twitter.com/watakko52/status/1415678310470717441

>>6582664
I'm only really interested in Hylo and Lumi, if they're alright I might catch the rest of CL.
I couldn't deal with NijiEN1's debuts so probably won't bother for the new wave, I'll just wait for proper streams to get a feel for them.

>>6572261
hylo for sure, and if rrats are to believed theres also an /asp/

>>6582664
Was going to watch Mio's new outfit reveal, but it got pushed back a few days because of this shit.

Maybe the nijiEN girls just so I can be angry about it. Or i'll see what my other subs are doing.

>>6524113
Vshojo has years of experience NijiEN barely started. Give it a year. Lazulight already has way better numbers than when they began.

>>6592883
vshojo is also twitch, which is objectively a better streaming website both in numbers and in discoverability.

being stuck on youtube hurts nijiEN more than it helps.

>>6592883
But next year there will most likely be over 30 EN or at least way more EN than HoloEN. The atmosphere is going to be quite different

>>6568209
Would you mind spoonfeeding me some on Prism? Who hits what? Is it just a really good singer, a really good artist, a really good apex player etc?

>Momozora Seina
She's so cute, reminds me of Otogibara Era. I miss her.

>>6602748
> Otogibara Era
lol no

>>6601990
This is an oversimplification, but it'll work for a qrd

Meno: shy little sister with audio issues
Iku: GFE
Aoi: dorky idol
Rita: mommy
Luto: bratty gremlin loli
Shiki: anime VA, good range
Nia: zoomer energy, not quite loli
Pina: dad jokes galore
Yura: sultry, closest thing to a real gamer Prism has

>>6601990
Sure. This is prism in a nutshell.

>>6601990
check out the prism thread >>6555966 if you want more info, but essentially:

An agency full of hags (minus one zoomer in gen3)

Iku, Luto, Yura, Nia plays games. No one in prism is particularly standout in their gaming ability though. Iku does lite GFE, a lot variety stuff.
Nia's voice cracks and it's cute af.
Luto is a wild aussie that does really retarded, menhera shit like rickrolling for 10 hours straight and playing league of legends.

Aoi and Shiki are legitimately S-tier singers, while the rest of them save for Meno all have above-average competency in singing. Aoi is most fluent in JP, complete weeb dork who moved to Japan. Shiki drank her own piss cause she read too many scary stories and peed in a mountain dew bottle and forgot about it.

Pina and Rita have really comforting mommy voices. Pina tells dumb jokes and writes songs. Rita does voice acting stuff and goes on really long side tracked tangents

Meno and Yura are ESLs. Meno roleplays your imouto, and Yura feels more oneesan.

>>6603423
Vtubers were a mistake.

>>6603552
I'll just say it: I think Shiki is incredibly overdesigned. There are way too many details and looking at her for too long gives me eye strain. I love her voice but I often have to listen to her in the background because of the design

>>6603423
The fuck?

>>6603733
they did her dirty with the rigging. shes always looking down and her face is deformed

>>6523398
NijiEN, obviously. Are you really asking this?

>>6523398
>Cyberlive
Holy bootleg

At what point would you consider the market is over-saturated? Even within the holos, every new talent is bound to take some viewers/revenue from the others, the pool of viewers is only that big.

>>6612202
The agencies aren't the ones over saturating the market as they're just pulling talent from the giant pool of indies

>>6603423
This is Luto in a nutshell

>>6582664
Just Lumi

>>6617861
Based

>>6617861
based /vst/chad

Vivian Voss [4VLive] in 8 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3QIf8hZUGw

>>6572261
Stop asking this, no one lurks here

Ayane Hylo Ch. [CyberLive] in 7 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFz8VvfXZac

>>6628793
>9am for me
These agency debuts are too good at derailing my weekends
Hoping it goes well for all of the talents, Lumi and Hylo in particular have really grown on me through their dumb twitter shenanigans.
but holy shit joining the discord was a mistake

hylo debut in 5 hours

>>6628739
>>6628793
PLACE YOUR VETS NOW

>>6628793
>>6628739
pink hair is cuter.
unfortunately it overlaps with Kalin's stream, and she needs my support more.

>>6636848
kalins model is ass anon

>>6637342
that's why she needs my support...

>>6637444
fair enough

>>6637444
I can't watch any vtuber with ugly models anon how do you do it

>>6637808
Im an audiophile. Give me a decent voice and Im good to go.

>>6637808
It could be worse, its a low quality model but its not offensively bad like that new hololive singer.

>>6628793
almost time

Hylo is on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFz8VvfXZac

Voss debut has started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3QIf8hZUGw

loli incoming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ic1nNApKQ

Booba Star incoming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLHxMlDf84

>all these small agencies going on youtube because they are holo LARPers

when will these retards realize that only holoEN can succeed on youtube and if you want to pick up other fans you have to bend over for the twitch cock?

>>6652566
Youtube has some other benefits as well, especially if you're planning on putting out content outside of streams (covers, shorts, content vids, etc)
Most these new groups intend to move into covers and stuff as well so it makes sense to use youtube for that. Although most double time on twitch and youtube. It does make sense however to use youtube if you're only intending to use 1 and only 1/.

>>6652646
I get that but look at tsunderia, they had such a head start but stalled out on youtube while vshojo and other indies absolutely blew up on twitch, I feel like if they had gone twitch from the start their company would be in a very different place but hindsight is 20 20

>>6652872
They do both iirc.
I don't really think they're comparable though. As much as we all love to hate on vshojo, objectively they're the most talented EN group out there.
Even the HoloEN and NijiENs pale in comparison to mouse and nyanners. Vei is a little iffier but she has her following from back in the day that carried on in.
a lot of the other girls are carried by them, but mouse and nyanners alone would shit on the vast majority of basically every other EN branch.

>inb4 but sluts and peepeepoopoo
as cringe as it is, its the minority of their content.
Plus, one thing I'll give nyanners is that even if it gets annoying, she's willing to be unironic and let herself be the butt of the joke. I'm so tired of all these other girls immediately back tracking whenever they have the potential to look stupid. Pomu in NijiEN had a good chance to do something fun last night with her schizo posting, but 30 seconds into the stream she immediately back tracks and goes "haha jk its just a joke and i dunno how to end it" meanwhile nyanners will put on a 3 hours stream where she just jokes about retarded shit and calls herself retarded.

>>6652872
It's tough to have a cohesive brand identity on Twitch. That and the much shittier VOD system makes it very hard to cultivate a community which is what Tsunderia is trying to do. Their current system of scheduled streams on YT and guerilla streams on Twitch is probably the best system to achieve their goals
>>6653059
Comparing VShojo to any other VTuber agency is useless. They're the only ones that have the cash and marketing contacts to follow the business model of "Buy the most popular chuubas and entice them with unique opportunities". It's ridiculous to compare that to a startup that is attempting to find unrecognized talent and raise them up to their full potential

>>6653318
>Comparing VShojo to any other VTuber agency is useless. They're the only ones that have the cash and marketing contacts to follow the business model of "Buy the most popular chuubas and entice them with unique opportunities". It's ridiculous to compare that to a startup that is attempting to find unrecognized talent and raise them up to their full potential
bro, they're literally just a group of friends who hung out together and made a group with some random twitchfaggots who make merch.
half the people in the group are nobodies who barely stream and they haven't "bought" anybody.
while yeah they're not trying to bring up "nobodies" its not tsunderia's goal to raise up the little guys and make them famous, they're just a group also trying to make it big and is more than willing to buy up or pull in successful girls (miori and yuuna) in order to do so. the reason they don't buy up all the famous girls is that they have nothing to offer them.

that's not to shit on tsunderia, its just how it is. they're a small company, but they're not trying to shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of charity. and vshojo isn't big because of some weird evil capitalist scheme, they got there because they started early and got extremely skilled while doing it. as much as i love yuuna, she does not have the range of content or the entertainment value of mouse, and i'm sure she'd be the first to agree.

>>6652872
Then explain Heavenrend.

>>6654039
what about them? They're a tiny agency who debuted pretty recently right? I'm not saying twitch is magic numbers I'm more arguing for an alternate history where tsunderia went all in there from the start

>>6653747
Didn't mean to insinuate that one business model was "evil" or anything. Just saying that the VShojo founders have more money and marketing contacts than any other agency, and it's simply useless to compare them to anyone else for that reason

is this the org with the underaged manager? where'd the cash come from?

>>6653747
>half the people in the group are nobodies who barely stream and they haven't "bought" anybody.
what? youre talking about tsunderia and not vshojo right?

>>6572739
>the manager was damage controlling hard during the shitstorm
spoonfeed me

So how did it go for debuts? Are they looking dead?

>>6659120
CyberLive are looking good so far, still a couple to go. Doing alright for a new startup, not as well as phase connect but on less of a budget by the looks of things. Talents are great anyway. Most of the discussion was in this thread
>>6635636

>>6659120
>hylo
bit scuffed
good energy
fps

>yuri
nervous
loli but seiso

>lumi
queen of /vst/
sex model
my clear favorite

lumi is clearly /here/ with her game taste and multiple accents, plus she split her stream schedules to pander to europooors. she has potential

>>6653059
>>6653747
Jesus Vshojofag you fucking glow

>>6653059
Wow the schizo who was raging all of yesterday about Pomu's Minecraft gag is a vshoujofag, it makes a lot more sense now.

>>6659831
When you have no argument so you just spew /pol/ buzzwords.

>>6659120
guess Day 2 is where the action is

>>6659120
Everyone likes lumi from cyberlive and Vivian from 4vluve has a nice voice

>>6523398
It's unfair to put Cyber and 4V even in the same bracket as Nijisanji.

>>6659120
They're all /here/

>>6665163
Then maybe they shouldn't have debuted in the same weekend then

>>6659872
>No only 1 person could possibly be upset by a retarded wannabe Mito fucking up the only thing she has going for her
Nobody is fucking raging, Pomu is just a piece of shit.

>>6523398
Oh boy nijien and cyberlive are going to be going head to head tomorrow, can't imagine the nerves on the cyberlive girls

>>6674132
Head to head how? Their times don’t overlap they’ll be fine.

Is SPro a real agency or is it more of a friend circle like vshojo? I don't know what they mean exactly when they say that they're made by and for people in the community - is it just branding or are they trying to make a co-op agency

>>6678285
Its part of their branding

2 more debuts in half an hour

Orion Juno [4VLive] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Qk43GXDTQ
Momozora Seina Ch. [CyberLive] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70bZhwZ8bE

>>6684168
Momo should be good

Can't watch any more of the cyberlives after the shameless whoring

NOW STARTING:

Orion Juno [4VLive]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Qk43GXDTQ

I just love the absolute seethe of Nijifags seeing EN2 in the same bracket as whotubers

>>6529819
Idk if slow and steady was what they had in mind but if it works it works. VOMS became one of the biggest vtuber groups (following wise) with just a few people.

>>6685152
>that voice
nope

>>6685152
kek this bitch went from 900 subs to 1.8k in 2 days? nice bots r*ddit fag

dude

>>6685742
WEED

>>6685742
Meru Juno blaze it collab when?

>>6685764
LMAO

>>6685152
she's a bit slow paced

sex ed moth

4V Live it’s straight up a black company. The blackest. Support the girls, don’t support the company.

>>6686502
>youtube drama
Couldn't have picked a better career

>>6686502
Internet historian collab

>>6685742
>>6686502
So...this...is the power...of western vtubers...

This moth is literally a hippie

>>6686559
The contract is IN PERPETUITY. It's fucked.

>>6686559
>Support the girls, don’t support the company.
BASED

Momozora Seina live now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70bZhwZ8bE

This is the black company I talked about before.

MOMO IS CUTE
CUTE!

>that voice
she would made for the perfect loli

>dey be tryna eat me doe
>we be goin way back
she's a chola

Fuck, totally forgot about cyberlive and 4vlive debuts, anyone I should give priority check before the others?

>doesn't have to worry about permissions
>These are the games she chooses

>>6690104
lumi first
seina and pandora were good if a bit slow

>>6523449
Niji too strong

>>6686559
check the socialblades of the 4vlive girls. they're literally botting ALL their subs kek

>>6523398
SELEN IS BASED

>>6685621
That's... Not unusual after a marketing push? If anything it's kinda shit performance for someone backed by the vyt subreddit

>>6705157
If they're capable of pulling that many subs that quickly, they should have had plenty more in the first place. Granted the starting sub count is probably just shit from susan deleting her subs for not zero content.

>>6686502
"sex positivity"

Trash

>>6705256
1k subs is really not that hard to get for a debut, especially in this case where they didn't even have much of a marketing push until five days ago.

>>6705157
>>6705608
hi 4vlive
you dont gain any subs for hours, and then gain a bunch within 1 min when you do. you have 0 natural growth. i have been watching your live subcounts.
compare this to someone like Michiru from phase or the other girls, she naturally gains a follower like every 10-15 mins, instead of a flatline graph.
this is fucking sad dude

>>6707020
Are you the same retard who gets confused when gura's subcount only updates every 10k? Youtube only displays three significant digits of subs you dumbass

>>6707473
this is socialblade. which updates every second. why does every other channel with similar sub count show natural growth?

>>6707473
It doesn't update every 10 at their current sub count anon that is when they are higher.

Also not the anon above but I checked their subs the night before debuts and they were at about 200, and then OVERNIGHT shot up 500. Proof is here. They are botting. And hi 4vlive can you stop being pathetic?

>>6707660
It doesn't matter if it updates every second when youtube itself rounds it off to the nearest ten, are you fucking retarded?

>>6707731
when has youtube ever done this?
fucking black company.

>>6707731
No it doesn't. Look at phase connect, they have been gained 1, not 10.

Either way, they gained 500 overnight and there was discussion about this on their thread.

>>6707727
>It doesn't update every 10 at their current sub count anon that is when they are higher.
It does, its three significant figures, that means at figures above 1k it only updates every ten

>>6707852
Not them but YouTube does update in larges amounts for high sub counts, think gura but nNOT THIS LOW.

>>6707852
Ever since pewdiepie vs t series to kill off all those livestreams that were just a feed of live sub counts

>>6707727
oh, thanks anon. anyways, 4vlive, you were saying?

>>6707894
Look at phase it doesn't. Go anon. Go look.

I am not the anon who posed the 10 thing, but I did post the 500 overnight thing when NOTHING social media wise was gained. They botted. There is no way their pathetic 200 sub twitters gained 500 subs overnight for NO REASON.

>>6707990
Aren't they active on reddit?

>>6707929
i'll admit, perhaps you could be right about the increment thing, but that doesnt dismiss that 4vlive gains like 500 subs randomly, and their channels are dead for hours on end compared to anyone with a similar sub count

>>6707727
this is undeniable proof.

>>6708268
Fair enough, that looks kinda sus to me too. Personally though I'd rather exhaust all other possibilities before leaping to bots, mostly because nijiniggers drove that into the fucking ground back in the day

>>6708163
they gained 500 overnight. I checked all socials and it doesn't add up. They botted.

Don't even have to go to social blade to know they are botting.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_l_7Da8HB2cLTx7U88RrsA/about

2000 views, 2100 subs.

>>6713806
this is fucking sad