/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6496085
Previous thread

>>6527349
En2's audition ended in March, so they should be coming out sometime next month if historical trends are any indication

>>6527769
I doubt it. The next two months is packed af. https://hololive.wiki/wiki/List_of_Debut_Anniversaries

It took IRyS about 2 hours to get 40% of the superchat total that Azki has had on her channel.

>>6528997
$22,542 so far.

NijiEn2's debut trailer video has only 38k views at the time of writing, compared to the IRyS reveal trailer PV who had about 400k?

>>6530623
HoloEN gets 5-10x NijiEN's viewership so if you do the math, it's about right. Jokes aside, it's not going to 38k for long. Lazulight's debut teaser got 1.3 mils by now.

>>6530623
It makes no sense to even compare the two. Niji is not a rival to Hololive in the western market. Yes, I know somebody wants to say, "Muh cope bc losing" but that is literally the truth. It makes no sense to pretend they are rivals outside of Japan when it clearly isn't the case in reality.

>>6530804
no money for EN debut ads. Koshien first

>>6530856
Back in 2018 Hololive was in the same position in Japan that Nijisanji is in for the English speaking audience right now. To think that NijiEN is not a rival of HoloEN and vice-versa is outright fucking stupid.

>>6530804
If I recall correctly the teaser got like 1M before gen1 debut.
Doubt this gen teaser will reach 1M as the previous one.

>>6530975
>Back in 2018
There is your answer anon. Things change. Vshojo is currently the rival of Hololive in the west whether we like it or not.

>>6530856
they're not even a rival in Japan. Their business models are different and the way they earn their revenue is identical, it's not like you as a viewer have to be brand exclusive because their mercs are pretty affordable.

>t. holofags

>>6531018
1m because of this

Eh, why do people even think Niji is still relevant? They're nothing without the guys with big numbers like Kuzuha and the influential guy that can single handedly move a company like Maimoto. As a company, they're below even Vshojo/Vspo/774/Noripro.

>>6531136
Oh yeah they heavily advertised that shit, will they do the same now?

>>6531033
>Things change
That's exactly the point I was trying to make anon. Just because NijiEN is 5-10% of HoloEN right now doesn't mean things will stay that way, just like how Hololive used to be 5-10% of Nijisanji in Japan and that's no longer the case. Things change.

>>6531264
They're focusing on advertising the upcoming baseball tournament.

>>6531136
A Niji add on a Holo stream is actually hilarious.

Also who doesn't use ad bla8vywock in current year?

>>6531136
When will their 17M run out?

>>6530297
Last count on Playboard
2,356 SCs with a total of $24,114

>>6531206
>>6531330
What's with Maimoto and the blatant preferential treatment? The company buying ads for his stream is a little too much if you ask me.

>>6531206
are you retarded?

>>6528997
>>6530297
AZKI didn’t start taking live streaming seriously until, well, until a couple of months ago, before that she was an unironic virtual idol doing lots of live shows but with very little stream involvement.

>>6531667
I know. I was there. She also has a soothing voice that made me wish she streamed more. Irys and her management is employing the Suisei method post INNK.

>>6531440
Anonchama?

>>6531633
I wonder

Will anyone ever beat Gura?

>>6531633
fire 舞元 fire

>>6533046
Everyone thought no one could beat Kizuna Ai, but here we are.

Assuming Gurin is S***hi, she could *potentially* beat Gura's 36 days to 1 mil if she asks all her current subs to sub to Gurin. Otherwise, 3 mil is impossible in under a year unless they get viral like Gura

>>6533046
Gawr could totally beat her

>>6533450
>Everyone thought no one could beat Kizuna Ai
Wut? Kizuna was even in the same category as Hololive / Nijisanji?
I don't really recall seeing Kisuna hyped as a live streamer on Youtube.

>could *potentially* beat Gura's 36 days to 1 mil if she asks all her current subs to sub to Gurin
Not impossible but Gura debut coincided with the biggest incline for Hololive, both in subs, live views and mainstream attention.
It was the perfect storm with chink shit, Miko return, PekoMoona, PekoMom, Coco and Haachama departure and return..

>>6534130
Not sure if she could get it in under 36 days. EN 2 is coming somewhere in this month or early august. Debuting in August & September is a no-no too due to how many events and anniversaries there are in those months. Viewers would forget about wave 2 after this week.

>>6534102
>Gawr
I need more Gawr art.

>>6532122
Gura doesn't get any preferential treatment even though she got higher numbers than that, does she? I mean, I wouldn't like it if my oshis get neglected by the company just because their numbers are lower than other members.

>>6534436
Think it's more like she didn't want those treatment. She has a strong imposter syndrome going on. She didn't even celebrate her 3M milestone because people are so gonna chat things like "Congratz on beating kizuna/Congratz on being the no.1 vtuber in the world."

Yesterday's superchats

>>6534821
why joker

>>6534509
>Think it's more like she didn't want those treatment
Nah, out of all things Cover is criticized, “picking favorites” is not one of those. Based on certain “frustration ventings” by Pekora and Coco about “special projects” that didn’t get an OK (and funding) from HQ the strategy may be the exact opposite: no special treatment no matter what

>>6534130
Chartbro, ever done a chart about with Korone? Quite curious since she's been hardly talked about here, much less this board even though she's been memed the hell out of early 2020.

>>6534821

Didn't include IRyS? Unless this was for 7-12. She had over $20k in her first superchat enabled stream.

>>6535320
>Chartbro, ever done a chart about with Korone?
Yes but here is the updated version. I do these more or less "on demand" because stale numbers are stale.

Korone is one of the heaviest hitters of the whole company but, despite "Eekum Bokum", "Ok, I'm die. Thank you forever" and other massively viral clips of her, Korone does what Korone does with no regards for popularity, trends or anything else.
That's why people don't talk a lot about her, there is nothing too deep to explore or dwell on about, she doesn't really expose her person, she is a cute doggo playing games she likes and being adorable.
Her highs aren't too high but she doesn't really have "lows", her 14 days average bounces between 10k and 15k for the most part for as long as there are records.

Here are all of her streams over 25k in 2021

>2021-04-01 :: 53384/66089 :: 【#おかころ2周年3Dライブ】デビューして2年になりました。みんなにありがとう!【戌神ころね/猫又おかゆ】
>2021-06-16 :: 45893/58074 :: 【罰ゲーム】コミュ障だけどトークデッキ無しで逆凸して会話を盛り上げろ!【ホロライブ/戌神ころね】
>2021-02-19 :: 40842/43523 :: 【SMOK】誰のリスナーが一番不憫!?決定戦【ホロライブ】
>2021-01-27 :: 32244/38213 :: 【OKBR視点】SENPAITACHIとスプラトゥーン2対決だ!!【Splatoon2】
>2021-02-13 :: 19202/37418 :: 日常侵食リアルホラー「つぐのひ」をプレイします…!!!
>2021-04-11 :: 26843/37255 :: 【#おかころ】カップヘッド、クリアするまで終われません!つづき!!!【オフコラボ/Cuphead】
>2021-05-17 :: 29986/36787 :: 【ぼっちじゃないスーパーマリオパーティ】かなたちゃん、ラミィちゃんが遊びに来てくれるよ!!【嬉しい】
>2021-04-13 :: 28586/33330 :: 【#戌神ころね2周年】初期ころねをみんなで見たり歌ったりあれやこれや【重大発表+告知もあるヨ】
>2021-06-26 :: 22027/33204 :: 【The Henry Stickmin】WOW!!棒人間ゲーム!!【ホロライブ/戌神ころね】
>2021-01-07 :: 24558/31804 :: 【A WAY OUT】みっころねは逃亡する【ホロライブ/さくらみこ/戌神ころね】
>2021-02-14 :: 20574/30081 :: 日常侵食リアルホラー「つぐのひ~昭和からの呼び声~」をやるYO!
>2021-07-12 :: 22286/29255 :: 【重大発表あり】突撃!ホロの運営さんにころねの事を聞いてみた!【ホロライブ/戌神ころね】
>2021-05-03 :: 20569/29095 :: 【#マリころ対決】『ロックマン2』同時プレイ!!先にクリアできるのはどっちだ!?【ころね支店】
>2021-06-06 :: 18933/28833 :: 【例外配達/Night Delivery】夜のホラゲーをお届けに参りました!
>2021-02-05 :: 22692/28805 :: 【#SMOK】おかころvsミオスバ対決!!!!【Ultimate Chicken Horse】
>2021-04-10 :: 24833/28141 :: 【#おかころ】カップヘッド、クリアするまで終われません!【オフコラボ/Cuphead】
>2021-03-31 :: 22225/26304 :: 【#おかころ】空気読み。3で2人の絆を確かめる!!(お知らせ有)【オフコラボ】
>2021-01-23 :: 19163/25732 :: スーパーマリオワールド(Super Mario World)やる!
>2021-07-11 :: 17736/25027 :: 【#おかころ】ストレッチャーズで2人の絆を試す!!!【オフコラボ】

>>6535838
At 1pm JST, long after the cutoff point

>>6534509
She was planning on doing a 3m celebration stream this week, but it looks like potential non-streaming issues came up she needed to attend to so she's off for 4 days.

>>6535855
Guess it was recency bias but she seems to haven't rode the big boom these past 2 months. Thanks for posting anyway.

>>6535838
What's amazing is that she only switched it on 12mins in the actual stream. She could have gotten more if she opened it the moment the stream reservation was placed. A significant section of her viewership are vod watchers.

Since there's speculation that Niji might've nabbed a 1mil sub YouTuber ala Gura, I wonder if we can use the upcoming data from NijiEN wave 2 to determine the following:
>The existence of a niji buff/debuff and how big it is?
>How much of a factor past lives are in terms of subs and VODS?
>How big the interest is for new Nijisanji waves and if the audience for it is growing or diminishing?

>>6536507
The thing with the one they snatched up is that they only have a couple viral videos and the rest were ~50k view range. She supposedly had 14k followers before she left, not sure about actual viewership though.
On the other hand every video Gura made was at least 1m+.
At the very least the sub count for the newer wave is surpassing the first (10k subs each so far) but whether that translates to actual viewers is a different matter.

>>6536700
didn't HER privated some videos? The only one still there are the popular ones.

>>6536236
>she seems to haven't rode the big boom these past 2 months
That's mostly because she had her "loaded" month in early April with
>Okakoro 3D Live aniversary
>Korone anniversary
>Two streams Cuphead Okakoro off collab

She then "returned to mean" (around 10k) and along with the rest of the company raised that 14 days average all the way up to 14k.

Pic related contains the same chart as before, only starting on March 1st 2021 to illustrate what I just said which can be summarized as
>Korone does her thing

>>6536507
I don't know man. Shachi was more of an Ina uwu version. The meme shark was an edgelord. She also did a lot of memorable stuff that solidified her viralness like singing a jpop and playing Musedash. Not to mention the dum dum MC stuff she did back then. I can see her taking the Ina route. Solid fanbase but not crazy numbers.

>>6536507
The fact that people still attribute Gura's popularity to her past self is so absurd. I can understand the Hololive brand buffing her, but it's obviously her personality that's the main cause for her growth now. When she was still HER, she was streaming on twitch and you can see her past numbers. She was <1000 viewers despite her "big" youtube channel.
https://twitchtracker.com/senzawa

>>6536700
You can see her twitch stream numbers here. Penguin got very indie numbers, like HER.
https://twitchtracker.com/shachimu

Dark Dragon as well despite being Pred in Apex: https://twitchtracker.com/dokibird

Rose girl:https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCRVYDlnhf6MCqbbf5-jjjsQ

>>6536838
Gura "A" meme may have piqued the interest of the crowd but what, IMO, was the biggest moment that put her in the current path was the
>OH FUCK, THE MEME SHARK CAN ACTUALLY SING
unarchived karaoke which quickly went into the 100k range.

I don't doubt people went there expecting "Meme shark sings Belle Delphine greatest htis" and left wondering how the fuck a meme shark can sing a meme anime OP like a fucking jazz standard

Pekora is such a good kouhai, streaming exactly until the start of costume reveal to increase hype. But there are few overlap viewers so numbers are still low.

>>6536883
It's their way of coping, to undermine shark's achievements with whatever possible excuse they could find.

>>6536898
Basically, Gura had a lot of viral moments as Gura. Her past self helped but Gura as Gura was just a gift that kept on giving especially on memorable moments. I don't know if Shachi can pull that off because like I said, she is the uwu version of Ina.

I unironically want to see if any of them can get past the tutorial boss before there debut. None of the first wave could do it and I would be disappointed if no one from the 2nd wave does either.

>>6536918
Numbers seem to he growing fine and not having hit any "soft shadowban" yet

>>6536918
It's free to make a pekora general if there isn't one.

>>6536918
Okayu is competing with one of the most hyped FGO streams in a while (157k+ viewers)? Just joking, but maybe.

>>6536918

How much would viewer numbers increase for the lower Holos if only YT had a "raid" function like Twitch?

>>6536883
It's hard to compare to Gura since she streamed so sporadically that it was normal for her to not stream for weeks/months at a time.

>>6537004
soft shadow bans are for new accounts and are typically in the 50k+ range.

>>6537001
KEK
>tutorial boss
I'm going to use this as hype barometer.

>>6537054
Massively. The respectful culture would go down the drain tho because there are massive differences between the fandom among the girls with (for instance) Nousagi and Haaton being more on the "roudy" side while Flare and Choco being on the "chill" side.

Sometimes it happens accidentally tho, with the "Play next" auto played recommended video at the end of some stream leading straight into some other live stream

>>6536918
Hololive always does that. Heres an example from last year

>>6534130
Kizuna Ai has always been the gold standard for VTubers. She was considered so untouchable that she was regarded to be at a higher level from the rest of the 4 Kings. Prior to the Hololive boom, only 3 channels have ever reached 1 mil subs, of which she owned 2, and only she has ever reached 2 mil.

Now, not only has someone else beat her to 3 mil in under a year, there are now 17 other people with 1 mil subs. Shit's crazy.

what was the numbers for the last costume reveal that isn't coco or subaru

>>6537123
>>6537001
>tutorial boss
That's only the first tutorial boss tho, there are two more tutorial bosses, including the final tutorial boss before you can be considered a proper successful VTuber

Only Roberu beat the first tho
>YAGOO
and I believe no HoloEN beat
>Choco Sub account

Did they beat YAGOO yet?

>>6536883
is it confirmed that Rose girl is Miki?

Hololive monetization streams since 2019
Mio - $3,836 (01/02/19)
Okayu - $2,232 (04/20/19)
Korone - $1,422 (05/03/19)
Pekora - $4,697 (08/18/19)
Noel - $1,947 (08/25/19)
Marine - $3,164 (08/31/19)
Rushia - $3,369 (09/08/19)
Flare - $4,302 (09/29/19)
Watame - $7,696 (01/26/20)
Towa - $6,319 (01/27/20)
Luna - $2,818 (01/29/20)
Coco - $52,158 (02/11/20)
Kanata - $25,180 (02/12/20)
Risu - $1,186 (05/04/20)
Moona - $582 (05/06/20)
Iofi - $1,098 (05/31/20)
Lamy - $8,713 (08/18/20)
Botan - $8,300 (08/18/20)
Nene - $6,505 (08/18/20)
Polka - $21,654 (08/22/20)
Civia - $1,400 (09/14/20)
Kiara - $9,958 (09/17/20)
Calliope - $26,983 (09/17/20)
Gura - $21,400 (09/17/20)
Amelia - $21,330 (09/18/20)
Ina - $16,910 (09/18/20)
Ollie - $3,311 (12/17/20)
Reine - $1,753 (12/17/20)
Anya - $1,602 (12/23/20)
IRyS - $24,114 (07/14/21)
(please note that IDs have streamlabs open before YT monetization)

>>6537406
I mean.....IRyS did. Pre-debut she was at 270k+, so she technically cleared the full tutorial by that metric.

>>6537403
>what was the numbers for the last costume reveal that isn't coco or subaru
Here is the top 20 streams in 2021 containing the term "新衣装"

>2021-05-03 :: 47566/135527 :: 【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL!】Grim Reaper's Brand New Style! 新衣装お披露目会!! #HololiveEnglish #CalliDrip [calliope]
>2021-05-26 :: 80699/126480 :: 【#大空スバル新衣装】90万人記念新衣装大発表会/NEW OUT FIT【ホロライブ/大空スバル】 [subaru]
>2021-05-02 :: 27315/109792 :: 【 #百鬼あやめ新衣装 】新衣装お披露目会!!!やっときたあああ!!! [ayame]
>2021-06-23 :: 49691/107020 :: 新衣装をお披露目してしまうのです!#桐生ココ新衣装 [coco]
>2021-04-23 :: 27110/089292 :: 【新衣装】桐生ココ!新しい服!お披露目ぇ!!!【#新衣装桐生ココ】 [coco]
>2021-05-05 :: 46236/089262 :: 【#天音かなた新衣装】天使のお仕事コスチュームNew outfit【天音かなた/ホロライブ】 [kanata]
>2021-01-01 :: 60295/085588 :: 【#ホロライブ正月衣装】初衣装初正月新装開店ホロ新衣装リレーNew YearNew Look【尾丸ポルカ/ホロライブ】 [polka]
>2021-05-03 :: 18122/085281 :: 【#角巻わため新衣装】新しい表情も............?!【角巻わため/ホロライブ4期生】 [watame]
>2021-06-29 :: 46969/078789 :: 【新衣装】かわいい?セクシー?新衣装お披露目だー!!!【 大神ミオ / ホロライブ 】 [mio]
>2021-05-04 :: 21099/074527 :: 【#常闇トワ新衣装】New costumeオシャレなトワ様をみんな見て~!!【常闇トワ/ホロライブ】 [towa]
>2021-05-04 :: 44143/071108 :: 【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL】Let's shop for NEW CLOTHES! 新衣装お披露目 #phoenixfashion [kiara]
>2021-01-01 :: 52117/069129 :: 【 #ホロライブ正月衣装 】ついにきた!新衣装!え、3姉妹...っ?!?!【角巻わため/ホロライブ4期生】 [watame]
>2021-01-01 :: 49179/067029 :: 【 #ホロライブ正月衣装 】初めての新衣装…!今日、ドレスを脱ぎますっ…!!なのら!【姫森ルーナ/ホロライブ】 [himemoriluna]
>2021-05-29 :: 38712/051792 :: 【 #ルーナ姫の新衣装 】みんなにお披露目しちゃうのら! New Outfit【姫森ルーナ/ホロライブ】 [himemoriluna]
>2021-06-04 :: 37123/044206 :: 【#ロボ子さん新衣装】新フォルムで動き回るえ…コレが本当にボク…??【ホロライブ/ロボ子さん】 [roboco]
>2021-03-03 :: 26570/031552 :: 【新衣装お披露目】わたしと一緒にデートしよ?【#ときのそら私服3D】 [sora]
>2021-04-07 :: 10992/020479 :: 【 ウマ娘 】新衣装テイオーとマックイーンを迎えるまでユメヲカケル【ホロライブ/さくらみこ】 [miko]
>2021-01-01 :: 12927/019770 :: 【あけおめ2021】今年の目標や予定!そして歌や新衣装お披露目も･･!?【ホロライブ/戌神ころね】 [korone]
>2021-02-23 :: 14364/018106 :: 【AZKi 3rd衣装】新衣装お披露目LIVE -はじめまして、新しい私- #AZKi新衣装 [azki]
>2021-03-30 :: 10582/016664 :: 【ウマ娘】20000ジュエルで新衣装ガチャへ!!!!【天音かなた/ホロライブ】 [kanata]

>>6537691
65k huh, a bit on the lower end but how does it compare to okayu's stats?

>>6537562
So I guess we can say that there are 3 actual tutorial bosses before you can be considered in competition with Hololive. Ankimo, Yagoo, and Choco sub account.

>>6527666
>55k+ for a regular Minecraft stream
Man, what's up with JOP and blue axolotl gacha? I really don't get the hype for this one, or maybe it's Kanata's determination that paid off.

>>6538097
I would say there is the tutorial first sparring adversary
>Ankimo
the tutorial campaign
>beating all Holostars up to Rikka
the surprise boss
>YAGOO
the tutorial campaign boss
>Roberu
and then the final tutorial boss
>Choco sub account

>>6538152
You will never know japs

>>6538152
It's Kanata's persistence

SUSAN!!!

>>6537822
>how does it compare to okayu's stats?
Okayu is everything said about Korone at >>6535855 minus the viral memes.
She does her own things with very little regards for trends and, to add to the analysis, her BEST streams (IMO) are the zatsudan streams but which won't attract a huge audience.

Here are all of her streams over 20k in 2021 not including today's, which would be her second most watched stream of the year.

>2021-02-22 :: 64144/79123 :: 【#おかゆの生誕祭2021】お誕生日なので3D歌ライブだ~~【ホロライブ】
>2021-01-12 :: 39369/48244 :: 【 #ホロL4D2 】先輩 VS 後輩 !?!?【 OKBR視点 】
>2021-04-19 :: 37822/47308 :: 【凸待ち】俺と素敵な一夜を過ごさない?【猫又おかゆ/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-19 :: 34671/46162 :: 【3DLIVE】今宵はきっと雨が降る【#おかゆの梅雨ライブ】
>2021-01-11 :: 21380/42153 :: 【#ホロお正月CUP】願わくば~~~~~!【ホロライブ / 猫又おかゆ】
>2021-02-28 :: 33006/41523 :: 【地獄】SMOKなりきりトーク ~俺があいつであいつが俺で~【 #SMOK /ホロライブ】
>2021-02-22 :: 24896/39177 :: 【#おかゆの生誕祭2021】お誕生日なので3D歌ライブだ~~【ホロライブ】
>2021-01-05 :: 29258/32117 :: 【桃太郎電鉄】赤ちゃんとママと猫と…【ホロライブ/#桃鉄みみおる】
>2021-03-04 :: 26791/29665 :: 【雑談】深夜のSMOKを見よ…【 #SMOK /ホロライブ】
>2021-04-17 :: 20327/27291 :: 【目指せ100万人】歌う歌う歌う!達成したら告知もあり【猫又おかゆ/ホロライブ】
>2021-03-13 :: 21536/25256 :: 【雑談】2人で配信ですよどうも【 #おかころ /ホロライブ】
>2021-05-10 :: 19042/25207 :: 【コラボ】結成してから約2年経過対談【猫又おかゆと大空スバル/ホロライブ】
>2021-06-17 :: 20159/24202 :: 【マリオパーティ】犬 VS 猫 VS 狼 でガチバトル!!【#ホロマリパ】
>2021-05-07 :: 17255/23947 :: 【モーリーオンライン】おかころがきたぞおおおおおお!【 #おかころ /ホロライブ】
>2021-01-07 :: 18522/22936 :: 【マリカDX8】深夜のマリカ合同練習~~!!!【#あまねこ】
>2021-07-09 :: 12769/20380 :: 【重大発表】嬉しい発表が2つあるよ~~【猫又おかゆ/ホロライブ】
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FUCK YOU SUSAN

>>6538152
It's a Kanata thing. Her gacha streams nets a lot.of viewers. The infamous g route for undertale. She also had that jump king too.

HAHAHA, Korone stream crashed so she will take two positions on today's ranking

Here is the new one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78VlIFlpvk

>>6538515
Peaked at 66k

>>6538559
Would she still take those numbers til second stream? She only has 10 mins left and there's 6 streams waiting for her to finish at 9 pm JST

Y U DO THIS SUSAN!?

>>6538559
She could have pushed 75k. YOUTUBE HATE.

>>6538615
>there's 6 streams waiting for her to finish at 9 pm JST
Those would certainly wait

>>6538646
>She could have pushed 75k.
Still can

>>6538709
>Korone got Calli "boing boing physics" in her model
That will sure improve her numbers

>>6538709
I guess around 69K is the peak

>>6538915
Already beat 70k

>>6538915
>>6538983
And that 70k smells like an "artificial ceiling" because every time it hits 70k it start falling again very slightly, and it started at exactly 70k

>>6538459
>which would be her second most watched stream of the year.
Correction: today's Okayu stream is her second most watched overall

Only 30min time slot hurt both of them. Usually they build up hype for 30m and then slowly reveal the outfit through the course of 5m or so to max out hype

>>6496418
hey i heard you say something like kanata dominating over the bunny what happened?

>>6537536
Polka.... such a strong start
On the other hand Nene really recovered greatly

>>6536232
Eh wait, did she say she's gonna do a 3M celebration this week? In 4 days, doesn't it mean she's gonna do a celebration karaoke on debut day?

>>6539594
That’d be hilarious, but the timing lines up.

>>6539594
>>6539647
Fuck man, if Gura did that, that would be such a power move that would essentially be saying 'Fuck you, this is my Territory'.

I'm not sure Gura is confrontational enough for that or if she'll be in the mental state for it if the rrats are true, but if she did I would fucking kneel at the sheer audacity of it.

>>6531033
I dont think vshoujo was ever the rival anon. They have different platforms and totally different fanbase while holo and nijiEN share the same bowl. But for now as there's still lots of hollow spot in the timeslot, they arent competing much. It'll be different in the future tho

>>6539381
This. I suppose they didn't want to take up 2 hours of prime streaming time, but it was a bad decision. They should have had 1 hour slots but done them on separate days.

>>6531744
Tbh im kinda worried where they want to take azki from now on. I never get what's the deal with INNK? Like what exactly is it?

>>6539712
She’s not but I doubt she really cares about what Nijisanji does. They’re doing their debut during her stream hours so it’s their own fault if they get upstaged like this.

>>6534878
Idk about coco but the rrat about pekora is that she wants to do some kinda irl events where she herself present on the location. So i can see why it got denied.

>>6539594
NijiEN wave 2 debut? Unlikely. She hasn't even thought of what to do for her 3m stream.
I want that sleepover stream gdi

>>6539381
>>6539831
It helped Okayu numbers up to his second highest audience ever. Maybe that was the plan, a slight debut for Korone in exchange for a massive buff for Okayu

What went wrong?

>>6539925
She wanted to do one of those fan meet up things, during a time where Japan is getting fucked raw by covid.
Of course management would shut it down.
>>6539975
Makes sense, they work as a duo.

>>6539925
>she wants to do some kinda irl events
I doubt. Pekora struggles to go to the supermarket with her mom, I can’t see her doing IRL anything

>>6539837
They focus on music and music related events. It was a 3 year project that was mostly handled by 1 dude. It was supposed to end next year but they decided to continue. Vsingers were a big thing back then that nets its profits from live concerts. Kaf and Himehina were good examples. It's still big to some degee it's just streamers became way bigger. It also hurt Azki that she's couldn't do any live events because of the pandemic. The best combination now are people like Toko, Mori and Suisei who stream and release their own music.

>>6540018
She was of course going to do this with an avatar so she still going to be fine. She only struggle a lot with irl with no character to save her.

>>6540011
You didn't buy her shirt anon.

>>6540342
NTA but those shipping and import fees are a MASSIVE deterrent.

>>6540517
>selling a kidney to bankroll your oshi exquisite tastes
You have two of those, you know?

>>6540011
Check her live views before and after December, there was a massive drop off just like EN.

>>6536883
>When she was still HER, she was streaming on twitch and…
She had no viewership on Twitch, when it was almost entirely on YouTube. Which was part of the problem to begin with. Either way, she was successful since most of her YouTube videos were liked a lot.

>Kiara trailing AZKI
>Kiara trailing Sora
>Kiara trailing Ollie playing chess
Is Yakuza this much of a debuff or she picked a bad time to start her stream?

>>6539594
>In 4 days, doesn't it mean she's gonna do a celebration karaoke on debut day?
Cover’s plan?

They are paying for another 1M views.
Haven't they burned like half a million on ads by now?

>>6542567
Gura something something Luthor

>>6542521
Jrpg games are always a debuff, and also she decided to stream in jp prime time for some reason.
I have no idea why she does that, she clearly cares about her numbers and yet she consistently makes the most bone headed decisions when it comes to numbers. It's madness

>>6542595
"She can't keep getting away with it!"

I swear if she does actually just does the stream without caring just like how Fish Tank and Reddit meme review bogged the 1st wave debut I'm gonna need to hide my cakes so Gura doesn't steal them.

>>6537536
Moona..

>>6542678
>Fish Tank and Reddit meme review bogged the 1st wave debut
Purely a coincidence, and if Gura does a 3 million celebration karaoke on the second debut day, at the right time, I would say it’s also purely coincidence. Nothing to see here at all. Nothing.

>>6542521
It wasn't a debuff for Pekora, but that rabbit operates on an entirely different level anyway.

>>6540199
With INNK now being fully Cover they're also making efforts to gradually pull AZKi into the greater hololive sphere. She was pretty much separated from everyone for most of last year but you can see her doing more and more streams now. It would've been entirely unexpected for her to join the Minecraft summer festival before this. I think the new strategy has started an incline in terms of numbers, though that's just my impression. >>6538459
Have you done a graph for AZKi, graph anon? Would be interesting to see if the fall of upd8 and change in streaming activity have actually resulted in any changes for her.

>>6537536
>whoorena this low
Well deserved

>>6542591
They’re trying hard to pump up those numbers. After they debut they will put the song in ads.
How embarrassing is it if you put all that production in music and it only got 100k?
Views on their first song pretty my stalled after they stopped paying for ads.

>>6542591
Its most likely a marketing point, they'll say that "this generations debut trailer got this views" then they will add a pointless bullshit metric like hours viewed. and tadah the stupid marketing team for a game headed by boomers gets bamboozled.

>>6540011

>>6542591
Whats with the boomer approach?

>>6542824
>Would be interesting to see if the fall of upd8
Sadly Holostats only started recording live viewers in July last year.
Also she streams too "sporadically" for the chart to have enough density at the 14 days moving average level.
Here it is anyway

>>6543008
>Sadly Holostats only started recording live viewers in July last year.
to bad. seeing Pekora go from a litteral who to the top of the strongest gen would be a wild ride

>>6542824
I just hope cover put serious thought on INNK and invest more in it to turn it into a legit music agency at least.

Why tf are they do this again? This shit just kill the hype and rush the girls on their most important day! After what happened with finance i though they'll do better. Sigh...

>>6543293
Move on, anon.
Anikara only cares about pleasing their zhang shareholders.

>>6543293
They'll probably at least have more attention than they did last time al least.
I don't think they'd actually do it but watch as IRyS moves her karaoke to coincide with the debuts.

>>6543293
It’s their Modus Operandi.
They’re falling back to what they know on their foreign branches while trying to figure out how to continue on in their Japanese branch.

>>6543008
upd8 officially died as of 31st Dec 2020, so I was thinking of using that as the date. But yeah, I guess lack of streaming activity makes it difficult. I guess we could look at her concerts, which have been her main activity.

Her 1st birthday concert was at under 5000 viewers last year (and now she's getting 6k for a random utawaku) while this year's is over 20000. You could argue that Nene and Watame helped boost those numbers, but prior to this the only holo that'd join in for her concerts was Sora, so that's a pretty significant change that is going to help her gain more popularity moving forward.

>>6543293
Wait wait wait ... they'll put a hard deadline on the last debut stream so they can have a special program righr after?

>>6543467
Personally, while the Japanese market is saturated I don't think it means new vtubers from holo/niji can't succeed. There's been enough time between the last debuts of the top two agencies that any new gen would ignite quite a bit of interest. It's just a matter of who pulls the trigger first and goes for the gamble.

>>6542794
Hear my rrat out, Anons.
What if Gura really chose that so it coincide with the debuts because she thinks that almost all will focus more on the debut than her celebration of 3M so she can 'silently' celebrate it and not get bugged about it again?

>>6543622
Cover saw that they were approaching the saturation point and the lack of employees at the time and decided to stop until they are ready.
Not sure what the story is on Nijisanji side is. Looks like gen 5 curb stomped them, especially after they tried to knock the wind out of gen 5 by debuting first.

>>6543811
That would be some genuine 4d-chess reversed into massive mogging.
Sounds exactly like something she'd do. The girl has a natural knack for the enteritainment industry. Still just a rrat until we hear when she gets back from. Her break though

>>6543462
Imagine IRyS and gura back to back karaoke and celebration stream right on this >>6543293 time slot lol

>>6543938
I think Niji and Holo are in good terms but that would probably trigger some out all war

>>6543485
Youtube concerts are honestly barely an indication of success for vsingers since it's mostly sponsored.
>Popularity?
Definetly, but to measure Azki's success it has to be ticket, merch, and album sells like any normal singers

For all the faults cover have, they know not to dilute their own fanbase by mass debuting vtubers which show some real care for their employees, same goes to the holoboys who were struggling too. I sorta feel bad when i see nijikr and nijiid roster.

>>6544008
Won't be a war if it's all purely coincidence. Just argue to seething nijifans that Gura had a 4 day break and she didn't know there's a niji debut at the time. I can understand why she opt to delay her celebration to maybe later.

>>6542678
I will take the rrat of Fish Tank
But Meme Review was on it's usual slot so that's on Nijisanji who thought they could go against Holo's biggest stream back then.

>>6543845
This. Seeing how they perform this last 2months they really seems to be under some massive change especially with their creative team seeing how many special programs been pop off lately

>>6534821
>Pika near the top
I know it was her birthday, but it's still nice to see, she deserves it

>ABSURDLY STRONG 7 DAYS FOR OLLIE
What was it? The 700k celebration? The "Alter Ollie" Olivia stream?

>>6544008
That's for holoJP anon. For all we know HoloEN team might not carry the same sentiment and try to kill all the flame of rivalry shonen antagonist style

>>6544205
Aki..
Iofi..

>>6544205
She'll overtake Moona sooner or later right? There's no buff that she could end up having that will outdo Ollie's trajectory.

>>6544205
Ollie has been pumping out more creative streams.

>>6543845
nijisanji opened a vtuber academy. gonna take a while once something comes out of that.

>>6544497
>Vtuber academy
.... What's that?

>>6544524
https://vta.anycolor.co.jp/audition/
auditions ended a week ago

>>6544603
Sounds like they’re tossing their old talents aside and just raising new ones instead.

>>6544603
>We will bear the cost of attending the program and admission fee during the training
This is kinda based and scary at the same time

>>6544669
what does it have to do with their old talents

>>6543293
Any numbers on subs and tweets compared to nijien gen1?

>>6543002
Nijisanji is run by boomers, unironically

>>6544696
They’re pretty much giving you a full course education in singing and dancing along with courses on how to be an effective live streamer.
Nurture new talent instead of your existing roster.

>>6544754
Isn't their CEO young?
I remember him being named 'the youngest millionaire in JP' or something, I might be wrong and misremembering things

>>6544205
Her alter ego stream got alot of attention, which flowed naturally into her 700k karaoke stream and now the chess stream which surprisingly seems to be a buff game.

>>6543293
My rrat is that the Niji marketing team has a young team but a boomer head. Advertising the debut is just good sense. Fucking boomer though doesn't think that the talents can stand by themselves and wants a show where the senpais show the kouhais around. When its your market then its fine but they are trying to penetrate a holo entrenched market, a who senpai is not gonna give clout to your new talents.

>>6544820
Yes. 95% of this thread doesnt know anything about nijisanji, expect for numbers kuzuha and their 3d are getting.

>>6544837
Chess streaming is BIG on Twitch, and seeing Ollie either completely get REKT or trounce a bunch of e-celebs has its own draw.

>>6544837
She also had that PI stream not too long ago. Also I can't think of any Holo who is more permanently plugged into twitter than her. She seems to respond to everybody and their dog, and is constantly networking.

>>6544814
Anon It really feels like the company is run by boomers, I really think that those lessons would be about voice and equipment training nothing about audience engagement, SEO optimization and stream timeslot.

At worst they could just be fishing talents out of the indie pool.

>>6542801
JRPGs are popular in Japan, Even Miko had average numbers when she was playing it non-stop.
Kiara and even Coco have way more Eop and their numbers are below average when they played JRPGs

>>6544389
> She'll overtake Moona sooner or later right? There's no buff that she could end up having that will outdo Ollie's trajectory.
I don't know anon, their trajectories run pretty much parallel since Ollie debut buff ran out.
>pic related
Unless Ollie can keep the massive pace she got in the past few weeks she may catch up with Moona but way down the line

>>6543938
>Imagine IRyS and gura back to back karaoke
If IRyS remains popular, I want to see a collab karaoke of Gura and IRyS. Would get crazy numbers.

>>6545053
Speaking of IRyS she is streaming at above 10K you think she will retain that audience because she streams at dead hours when no-one streams?

>>6545053
Anon.. you first have to move gura's lazyass to actually sing more and not wasted her god given voice. But we all cam dream for that day to come

>>6545040
>>6544389
Here is with the rest of ID

> Ollie and Moona at one speed
> Iofi,Risu and Anya at another
> Reine in some weird in between

>>6544820
Yeah but from their approach it sure doesn't feel like someone young is calling the shots, at least from the business marketing side of the company.

>>6545160
>dead hours
She's still figuring out her streaming slot anon. Expected her to streams on different hours for the next week or two before she find a fixed hour

>>6545220
You then add IRyS and the scope of the mogging becomes very apparent

>>6545040
>>6545220
So basically Ollie and Moona could end up being the Ina/Kiara situation of ID.

>>6545160
>IRyS is streaming at above 10K, you think she will retain that audience because she streams at dead hours
We have to wait and see. My unpopular opinion has been that IRyS could end up 2nd in popularity to Gura for Holo EN.

Apex numbers have been really low recently, even Hal is not breaking 10k these days.

>>6545236
not just marketing but operations too

>>6545275
>>6545254
Fair enough. I like her and admire that can she stream for long hours.

>>6545279
Maybe there isn't any tourneys to be hyped about?
That or people are focusing on the Niji baseball thing more right now

>>6545267
You then add Gura and everybody looks like midgets and all the problems in the world look small from up there

>>6544119
Anon if the last 2 months amazed you, the next 2 months are massive. https://hololive.wiki/wiki/List_of_Debut_Anniversaries#August

>>6545267
These growth rates are so consistent that it's surreal.

>>6545397
>These growth rates are so consistent that it's surreal.
I'm planning to chart a first order derivative and a second order derivative for their subs numbers, basically
>rate of growth
>incline or recline in growth

>>6545389
Isn't he talking about all the big collabs Niji have been doing recently?

>>6544061
yeah, yagoo talks about this in his interview with coco.

>>6545386
what's that incline in mid june

>>6545440
I think he meant how Yagoo seem to have hired new people to manage things especially the stars because they seem to be doing pretty well lately

>>6545440
It was also true for Holo so I thought it was Holo. Holo kept getting promotions and special programs and organic festival. coco graduation felt like a fucking anime season ending that you end up feeling hyped for next season.

>>6545271
>could end up being the Ina/Kiara
Nah, I don't think Ollie will catch up with Moona any time soon and if she does it means her rate of growth far surpassed Moona's and her lead would grow.

Ina and Kiara are twins since Kiara returned from her ban in December

>>6545472
birthday+song

>>6543293
Fuck off, this is the numberfag thread not the tribalist thread.

Socialblade says Gura currently gains +7.33K subscribers daily. I’m thinking her song upload played a strong role in that increase. She should continue making song uploads, as it’s extremely beneficial for channel growth. I think Mori would be even further behind Gura without her music uploads.

>>6545590
How is it possible for them to be so closely matched?

>>6545279
Apex the game itself is on a bad state right now with server problems, ddos, cheaters and etc. Too many little tournaments seem to burn out viewers too.

>>6545661
Whenever Kiara starts to fall behind, she then works harder to catch up.

>>6545389
Holy shit! August-Sept is packed!

>>6544061
One thing I noticed was when Lamy talked about how a lot of the female talents met Yagoo in person for the first time recently and they were really excited to meet him.
Don’t know about you but I don’t know many people who are excited to meet their boss.

>>6545753
I was pondering for a long time on how to say this without sounding like an anti.

>>6545808
Yagoo definetly got his shit together after lose coco. Coco probably has a face to face convo with him before she left.

>>6545661
>>6545753
Kiara's very determined not the be the runt of her gen. But fortunately for her she's honestly sort of succeeded, HoloEN is really the only gen that doesn't have a definitive "last place". Every other gen seems to have one that's pretty far behind the rest, but for EN the difference isn't so big.
It is also quite miraculous that their growth is identical despite the fact they literally could not be more different in personality and how they stream.

>>6544669
How

>>6545472
>what's that incline in mid june
What >>6545595 said

Here is her live viewers chart with her subs chart overlaid. Her subs makes everybody else look like 5'11

>>6543293
That is what Nijisanji always do, mass release vtubers and hoping one of them success.

>>6542591
1 million views costs like $10,000 in adsense

>>6546435
How is the cost calculated in YT advertisements?
I recall some Vtubers also have their ads play when I watch streams/VODs

>>6546539
It depends what you're advertising, what audience you target, what countries, and if your ads are unskippable, 5 sevonds or banner ads https://youtube.com/watch?v=QszYxjf12d0

Gura subs count hug a 3rd degree or a 4th degree polynomial so tight both predict her 4M milestone for the week of Oct 1st.
>pic related
Let's see how well this is going to age

>>6546777
That requires her to incline pretty rapidly in the next few months, though, when she's been stablizing as of late. I really doubt she'll get a new song out in the next three months so the chances of that happening looks pretty slim.

I just realized after seeing the Hololive charts made by graph anon...

>Hololive's overall Over/Under line is 10k live viewers
>Hololive's threshold for under-performance is 6000 live viewers or less
>Hololive's threshold for for over-performance is 14000 live viewers or more
>there's actually a difference of 4000 between the hard line and each of the performance thresholds
Not sure what can be done with this information since it isn't particularly useful given the nature of the numbers involved, but I just wanted to throw that out there. If anything, it should help ground people's expectations of what are good or bad numbers on this thread, at least for Hololive.

I wonder what Nijisanji's data would look like in a graph.

>>6546539
From what i know, it depends on who gets those ads, so YT charge you more if a burger watch the ads instead of an indog and the type of content also seems to matter, and then there is also the frequency and how specifically targeted the ads are, so the niji ads that are played in very short period with a very high frequency in specifically targeted channel (holos) probably cost more than some random chuubas ads that you get every so often.

>>6545808
Yagoo -> free content

>>6546895
The yellow dotted line is the real subs curve. She clearly started inclining in mid Apr otherwise the curve wouldn't fit this well.

I don't believe it has any predictive power tho, subs follow events and not a set mathematical curve. But it will be nice to see how close or how far this prediction goes.
It is pointing the next milestone (3.25M) for Aug 4, by then it will be possible to see if she's inclining as steep as required to continue following this curve

>>6546905
>should help ground people's expectations of what are good or bad numbers on this thread, at least for Hololive.
Truth be told even the lowest hitters in Hololive have numbers that would be middle of the pack in any other successful company / indie and completely trounce the average VTuber.

>>6547036
>middle of the pack
Even Anya regularly gets numbers that would put her at the top of any company not named vshojo or nijisanji. If you discard the side branches and focus on the JP side then there's not a single one that wouldn't be the top performer by any other agency's standards.

>>6546945
Did the ads really purposely target on Holo channels? I've seen one with lazulights before and havent seen one with this wave but if it really did, that's kinda cringe

>>6547100
>cringe
Numbers don't have feelings anon, there is only "big" and "small" as qualifiers for them and everybody wants "big"
Ads may backfire tho and turn the audience off, specially if they happen midroll.

>>6547036
If we include Holostars then I agree. But if we consider the main branch only, I think that's a bit conservative. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we divide Nijisanji into three tiers their top tier should have around 3k viewers minimum.

>>6546777
I can only see this happening if she releases new songs.

>>6547100
You can't specify channels but you can specify the kind of viewers you want your ads to be targeted to, and as it turns out if you pick "likes anime, watches livestreams" into the algorithm it pretty much homes in on the hololive audience

>>6547100
I think it’s more like that they were targeting vtuber videos but since Holo is so big they showed up there a lot.
I do find it a little distasteful that they do this especially since I never saw any of the smaller agencies spamming ads.
It effectively makes them look like they’re trying to siphon Holo viewers.

>>6547184
>if she releases new songs.
Which she will. September 9th is the anniversary of her Twitter "A" and September 12th the anniversary of her debut (along with most of her branch).

Lots of events to accelerate her near the projected 4M date

>>6547100
>>6547206
I'm reading the TY help page right now and it does says that you can target specific channel and even videos so yeah, and its not cringe if it makes sense anon.

>>6547260
>I do find it a little distasteful that they do this especially since I never saw any of the smaller agencies spamming ads.
Agencies don't normally do this because they can't afford to do so. If they had that kind of money, they'd be pumping ads like there's no tomorrow.

>>6547260
can you elaborate on what's distasteful about it? to me it just feels like promotion like any other. i've gotten the lazulight ad on some random weeb video, so i think they just went for that sort of scene in general. i haven't seen it when watching hololive videos but i've seen the screenshot here and a friend of mine got it in that context too.

>>6545590
>>6545661
>>6545753
>Ina and Kiara are twins
Still about "subs twins", Haachama and Matsuri used to be like that too
>Then Haachama took an arrow to the knee
but, instead of being gimped it gave her speed and momentum which she used
>until she got tired right after reaching her "personal milestone" of 1M and decided to rest a little
Pic related

>>6547260
>makes them look like they’re trying to siphon Holo viewers.
Which they are. Because they should.

Next you'll tell me it was distasteful Pepsi came this close >< from going from literally who also run soda into #1 in the worldwide market by mogging Coke customers so hard and unabashedly they literally promoted blind taste tests in their ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiO_JES4yBY

There is no such thing as "cringe" into trying to tap into an already oversaturated market by converting your competitor customers into yours.

>>6547260
Might look distasteful to the viewer, especially since to the uninformed holo watcher it will look like they’re rushing waves. But other than that it’s a valid business tactic.
Hell, when Aloe graduated (or after suspension I forget) a day after Ichikara put out a statement that they protect their talents from antis and harassment.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Gura will do the karaoke 3 million subscriber celebration on the Niji debut, as Gura is probably pissed at the Gurin character being somewhat similar (my opinion), and Gura also seems somewhat anti-Niji, even if it’s just from being loyal to Cover. I could be wrong though.

>>6547351
I think it’s mainly just the appearance it gives off.
They’re the third largest vtuber company in the West and have already built up a pretty sizable base.
Obviously they want to get as much attention as possible but no other company does this.
I know that the smaller companies might do it if they had more money but as I already mentioned it’s more about appearance than business sense and ethics.

>>6547541
Nah, it wouldn't matter any way. They'd still get around 1-2k viewers. Would get worse if cannibalization and drama happening between them. Niji invests in ads and expect them to get the money back in a year. IRyS debuted 3 days ago without any ads and got 22k today and possibly more from music sales.

>>6547643
I agree that it may happen but not on the reason. Gura is a shitposter at heart and I wouldn't doubt she would do it exclusively for the lulz, without any emotional attachment to the outcome at all

IRyS in the top 10 "most 7 days VOD views" so far (9th place)

Has Irys broken any records yet? Like quickest to 100k or something?

You know, I just noticed how much they try to gain traction with shorts that it buries other videos.
Also their version of hologra barely gets any views on their English Channel.
The JP channel seems to garner around 100-300k views per episode.

>>6548228
270k on debut so yes.

can we really trust those numbers from twitch and youtube?
I watched a clip where asmongold said that he had 1 million people watching his FFXIV stream but it only showed 200k.
I really don't know how this works

>>6544175
She was #1 yesterday

>>6547643
It's hard to tell how intentional that is if their debut happens under Gura's regular stream time.

>>6548333
A week or two ago, YouTube had an outage and nuked the current streams of NijiEN, so they decided to guerilla stream on their almost unknown Twitch accounts that has like 2-3 percent of the followers that their YouTube has. Only tweeting about it shortly before going live. And they still got higher viewers for that stream than their "normal" on YouTube. I don't think there is any chance YouTube viewers = Twitch viewers.

>>6548333
Million vod views with consistent 200kish ccv. That means that while there was viewer Cheung, there were also a lot of people that were engaged constantly. It's why you can have a ccv of 20k people on Yt and end up with 200-300k views on the video at the end of the stream.

>>6548553
>View churn
Fucking autocorrect. Also there is def. Some oddness when Yt adjusted how they were tracking ccv last December. There's been multiple theories on exactly what they changed, but clearly Twitch does not use the same culling of numbers.

>Marine + Noel + Korone APEX stream
Very good numbers too and a debuff only for Marine, mostly because of the multiPOV forcing a segment of the audience to stick with their oshi.

What's with all of the newcomers at APEX anyway? Rushia, Suisei, Marine, even Noel. Some big event being planned?

>>6548808
Rushia and Suisei aren't really newcomers. they played and streamed it before they just don't go for the competitive parts of it as much. Marine might have had a few as well
I think Chocos autistic grind just reawakened them

>>6548808
If there's a grand Niji+Hololive girls Apex tourney in the works behind the scenes, this would make sense...

That or they're just trying Apex out because they see a lot of other Holomem have been grinding it consistently (choco, robo, towa, matsuri)

>>6545736
Can confirm, haven't played the gamer since mid-S8. Diamond and Pred lobbies are an endless cycles of ddos or Cryptos/Bloodhounds players being boosted by two guys with aimbots and wallhacks. I heard the last update broke the private lobbies so they can't hold tourneys anymore.

>>6548960
>because they see a lot of other Holomem have been grinding it consistently
That could explain for many streamers but not for Pekora and Marine.

I could see an internal Holo championship like Mario Kart in the works

>>6549272
>Pekora
anonchama? some of her main games before hololive have been battle royals. hell her doing a random apex stream every few months is really normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65u7f6HnYD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4tbFpzvuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaDlygXkC8

>>6549419
My amazement is not about them doing it but all of them doing it at the same time frame.

I was directed here for my numbers-based question: Why hasn't anyone from Gen 5 passed 1 million as yet?

>>6549574
new gen that dosen't have the advantage of speaking a much more widespread language.
Botan got a good shot at cracking the 1 mil at the end of the year

holobros... there's no more hype for our costume reveals and our 3D streams don't do well... it's over

>>6549574
They’re not part of the EN branch or Gen 3.

>>6549574
They have good growth rate. 1 or 2 of them will probably hit 1mil by the end of the year

Where's today's number?

The expressions below are the terms most used in the stream title between "【" and "】" (like, for instance 【minecraft】):
These 33 terms make for about one third of all streams having "【" and "】" in the title.

>1123 times by 44 streamers :: minecraft
>762 times by 33 streamers :: apex
>439 times by 36 streamers :: 歌枠
>436 times by 39 streamers :: 雑談
>322 times by 24 streamers :: ark
>246 times by 19 streamers :: マイクラ
>213 times by 14 streamers :: 朝活
>178 times by 9 streamers :: マインクラフト
>155 times by 23 streamers :: monster hunter rise
>142 times by 26 streamers :: マリオカート8dx
>131 times by 24 streamers :: asmr
>126 times by 9 streamers :: apex legends
>116 times by 37 streamers :: fall guys
>85 times by 2 streamers :: マインクラフト/minecraft
>85 times by 27 streamers :: 歌ってみた
>82 times by 34 streamers :: phasmophobia
>75 times by 14 streamers :: モンハンライズ
>72 times by 13 streamers :: dead by daylight
>69 times by 26 streamers :: among us
>65 times by 13 streamers :: 天穂のサクナヒメ
>62 times by 8 streamers :: gtav
>60 times by 7 streamers :: モンスターハンターライズ
>59 times by 2 streamers :: study
>58 times by 12 streamers :: fallguys
>57 times by 13 streamers :: あつまれどうぶつの森
>57 times by 2 streamers :: #とまらないark
>56 times by 12 streamers :: スマブラsp
>56 times by 13 streamers :: undertale
>55 times by 20 streamers :: 世界のアソビ大全51
>54 times by 16 streamers :: 同時視聴
>54 times by 6 streamers :: drawing
>51 times by 13 streamers :: 晩酌


These cover 5,601 streams of the 18,630 streams on Holostats record (including all branches and stars) so it is a significant sample (over 30%) of the whole set.

Minecraft (and variations) clearly dominates followed by APEX and variations, singing and variations, zatsudan/chat and variations then ark.

This is a work in progress which will be used to properly categorize the streams for further analysis but, even as an artifact of the processing, it is interesting in itself

>>6527666
I thought that people would get this posted, so I decided to do other things for a couple of hours ago. But I guess everyone forgot.

>>6550640
Sasuga chartchad! You are the savior of thise thread

>>6550750
Thanks anon!

>>6550750
Flare did pretty well even though she failed to copy Kanata's success.

>>6549574
>Why hasn't anyone from Gen 5 passed 1 million as yet?
That's an easy question to properly answer with numbers

>Average growth for the JP branch of Hololive since the start of August 2020 (the month Gen 5 debut) is: 1829 subs per day
>334 days (on average) have passed since they debuted

In that time the average JP member should then have gained approx 610k subs (1829 * 334), far from 1M.
As it happens all of them are above the average subs gain of the branch.

First VTuber/VSinger original song to hit 30M views.

>>6550640
Here is the same analysis, but only for 2021

>560 times by 39 streamers :: minecraft
>372 times by 27 streamers :: apex
>235 times by 32 streamers :: 歌枠
>194 times by 28 streamers :: monster hunter rise
>138 times by 30 streamers :: 雑談
>118 times by 12 streamers :: 朝活
>93 times by 5 streamers :: apex legends
>91 times by 10 streamers :: モンスターハンターライズ
>89 times by 5 streamers :: マイクラ
>86 times by 15 streamers :: モンハンライズ
>62 times by 13 streamers :: ウマ娘 プリティーダービー
>60 times by 22 streamers :: マリオカート8dx
>58 times by 13 streamers :: undertale
>57 times by 2 streamers :: study
>48 times by 15 streamers :: asmr
>45 times by 2 streamers :: マインクラフト/minecraft
>44 times by 19 streamers :: 歌ってみた
>44 times by 7 streamers :: nier:automata
>40 times by 15 streamers :: ウマ娘
>39 times by 6 streamers :: dead by daylight
>38 times by 2 streamers :: ドラゴンクエスト11s
>35 times by 19 streamers :: phasmophobia
>34 times by 5 streamers :: drawing
>34 times by 11 streamers :: 同時視聴
>33 times by 5 streamers :: ※ネタバレあり
>31 times by 5 streamers :: freetalk
>28 times by 13 streamers :: among us
>28 times by 14 streamers :: duolingo
>28 times by 4 streamers :: superchat reading
>28 times by 1 streamers :: ホロライブ / 星街すいせい
>27 times by 1 streamers :: 弾き語り枠
>26 times by 16 streamers :: fall guys
>25 times by 3 streamers :: watchalong
>25 times by 12 streamers :: モーリーオンライン

Monster Hunter (*ahem*) rose, Ark vanished, little changes across the board by Minecraft and Apex reign supreme

7/14/2021 IRyS - ll:Caesura of Despair - EP Rank 12
I will have to double check but I think she is doing better than Mori did on the sales chart.

And the winner of the day is
> Okayu
Second largest audience overall for the cute catto, having Korone tag team with her truly buffed her hard.

Also
>Roboco trying to get to 700k on an endurance blue umpalumpa breeding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4UbPwa9_k4

>>6551025
This was the one got popular on TikTok, right?

>>6544175
>>6548435
>She was #1 yesterday
yup

>>6551780
Yup. Still a good song tho as expected of Kamitsubaki

>>6552068
Wish more people listened to the live version too, it just hits differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoikfllByR0

>>6552201
https://youtu.be/Bu9HChtAlCY

>>6545928
it's actually perplexing that they track so closely now that you point out how different their content is

>>6545928
Conversely, HoloEN has the opposite: a chuuba that is soo far ahead of the pack that it's not even funny. So Gura is actually the runt of their litter.

>N-NijiBros...

>>6554049
Why does Ellira have more subs than Pomu? all I see here are Pomu shilling.

I'm a holobronie btw.

What numbers can we expect to see from Scuffed Gura?

>>6554049
You know I really really do not like these things.

>>6554226
Because Pomu has a high power level, which is very appealing to /here/, while Elira is a normalfag that appeals to... well... normalfags.

>>6554394
Can't be scuffed when her rig will be better and design already is better retardchama. If you want to talk numbers, don't bias the topic like this next time.

>>6545928
>HoloEN is really the only gen that doesn't have a definitive "last place"
Well gen 1 has two of them lmao, and I'm not sure who you'd call gen 5's, Nene has the fewest subs but does a lot better with superchats than Botan and Polka

>>6544389
>There's no buff that she could end up having that will outdo Ollie's trajectory.
Kinda hilarious reading these kind of things when there's something planed. People here don't watch streams.

>>6544476
>creative
it's not creative if it doesnt include sex jokes!

>>6554496
>don't bias the topic like this next time.
We are all bias. If you believe Gurin is more than a Scuffed Gura, I’m okay with that. It’s just a difference in opinion.

>>6544820
the CEO is powerless if the whole board of boomer directors decides to fire him

>>6547643
>Gura also seems somewhat anti-Niji, even if it’s just from being loyal to Cover
Do you have an ounce of evidence or even a rrat to support this? Or are you just talking out of your ass? HoloEN has been nothing but supportive of NijiEN since their debuts.

>>6554664
>when there's something planed
PekoMoona off collab and Tokyo Disney field trip?

>>6554855
>”Or are you just talking out of your ass?” - he angrily asks, forgetting which site, board and thread he happens to be right now

>>6554996
Number thread with no number content?

>>6555235
For the most part, yes. Lots of numbers in this one today tho

Looks like no chuuba managed to get into Oricon Weekly Top 20 this week. Places by Trigger was the last entry on Oricon with 4,395 units sold. So all the chuubas sold less than that during the week.

On Billboard last week:
Kiseki Knot by Hololive 4th Generation - 4th
Bluerose by Hoshimachi Suisei - 17th
Comet by Hoshimachi Suisei - 25th
Kimi dake no Melody by Tsunomaki Watame - 51st
GHOST by Hoshimachi Suisei - 99th

And this week:
Kiseki Knot by Hololive 4th Generation - 53rd
Kakero by Hoshimachi Suisei - 59th
Bluerose by Hoshimachi Suisei - 67th
Kimi dake no Melody by Tsunomaki Watame - 82nd
Comet by Hoshimachi Suisei - 97th

The tendency of chuuba songs to fall off Oricon in a day and the relatively low sales for some of the top 3 songs has made me think that digital sales are quite poor after the release day. I would've assumed that there is a fairly sharp drop between all those old releases littering the lower ranks and the new ones in Top 20 and so I thought Billboard Top 100 can be made with three-digit numbers. However, given that Bluerose was 5th on Oricon daily, making me estimate around 2,000 units sold and 94th on Billboard weekly chart with just a couple of days of sales, it seems that around 2,000 units sold is in fact a requirement for even getting to the list. Around 4,000 units sold seems to be a requirement for getting to Oricon Top 20 which roughly corresponds with Billboard Top 20.

Looking at this, then at least some Hololive songs seem to have quite the afterlife, selling between 2,000 and 4,000 units for at least a week afterwards, and they may very well be selling around 1,000 units off-chart for months afterwards which will eventually pile up even if the sales remain three digit. GHOST getting bumped by the Bluerose release seems to indicate this, although it could be just new people finding Suisei through a new release, but then again 2,000 new people willing to part with their money is fairly significant in and of itself. This applies even if most of them are deadsubs who managed to miss the previous release somehow.

>>6554749
To be fair Tazumi was running Ichikara like a black company until the investors spanked him and the other execs for treating their staff like shit.

Gonna say moona's unarchived english karaoke is gaining a lot of traction lately. I have seen lots of positive reaction to it among various different countries of holo community. The numbers are showing it too. Her singing style and setlist is unique among other holo members too.

>>6555788
I'm not to privy of the details of when it was ran like a black company. What exactly did he do to make it so?
It's why I find it interesting how he tries hard to put himself in a good light.

>>6555235
>Number thread with no number content?
It’s full of number content. You’re just being overly emotional.

>>6555842
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/moona
>Ctrl+F MoonUtau

It's too early to tell what her new standard is for karaokes, but an ID getting almost 10k is always impressive. The biggest reason of her incline imo is that she got her karaoke machine to work and isn't singing acapella anymore. I actually recently converted to being a Moona fan after months of knowing her from these karaokes. She also sings like 50 song which is nice, since HoloEN girls usually sing like 6 songs and end the stream.

>>6554575
Speaking of Nene, she has the fewest out of Gen 5 but YouTube is constantly pushing clips of her onto me. I don't watch any of her streams or search for her content. I watch Polka more, but the algorithm doesn't seem to care.

>>6557384
you WILL become nene's husband, there is no escape

>>6557384
Simply put, nene has a lot of clips and highlights translated. She even has original memes made for her like nene seal. Polka on the other hand streams less and less clipworthy imo and she seems to want to go the youtube videos route than livestreaming.

>>6555914
iirc typical tech start-ups things, e.g. long working hours, sleeping workers in the office etc.

>>6555746
How about iTunes chart? Is it part of the count for oricon?

>>6560704
Clipwise, I think it's Nene > Botan > Polka > Lamy.
Where Lamy has the disadvantage of being for JOPs. She doesn't get much attention. Botan has an infectious laugh that is infinitely clippable.

>>6551642
Mori Calliope - Your Mori. on iTunes WW Chart
4/3 - Rank 15
4/4 - Rank 2
4/5 - Rank 5
4/6 - Rank 11
4/7 - Rank 15
4/8 - Rank 13
4/9 - Rank 33
4/10 - Rank 51
4/11 - Rank 99
4/12 - Rank 89
4/13 - Rank 67
4/14 - Rank 82
4/15 - Rank 77
4/16 - Rank 173
4/17 - Rank 165
4/18 - Unranked
4/19 - Rank 111
4/20 - Unranked

>>6554575
botan doesn't have to milk supachas like ramirez and nene when she has sponsor money raining in from microsoft and activision.

>>6561713
Mori Calliope - DEAD BEATS EP on iTunes WW Chart
10/21 - Rank 2
10/22 - Rank 1
10/23 - Rank 8
10/24 - Rank 12
10/25 - Rank 18
10/26 - Rank 22
10/27 - Rank 54
10/28 - Rank 59
10/29 - Rank 92
10/30 - Rank 160
10/31 - Unranked
11/1 - Rank 160
11/2 - Rank 79
11/3 - Rank 125
11/4 - Rank 179
11/5 - Rank 172
11/6 - Rank 171
11/7 - Unranked

>>6561713
>>6561948
I'm still surprised that people buy music these days. I was of the impression that once reach a certain age you stop caring spending your money on music, and that the younger generation subscibe to streaming services like Spotify, rather than buy actual albums or singles. I'm way out of the loop.

>>6562090
>subscibe
nice try on pretending to be old, luna-tan.

NijiEN2
Hour 1:
Trailer: 16,305 views
Twitter: 5,344likes
Rosemi: 2.85k subs
Selen: 2.84k subs
Petra: 2.92k subs

24hr
Trailer: 253k
Twitter: 7.7k likes 119k views
Rosemi: 16.1k
Selen: 16.4k
Petra: 18k

>>6564306
For reference:
NijiEN1
Trailer: 73k views (before ad campaign)
Twitter: 21.3k likes 368.5k views
Elira: 14.6k
Pomu: 13.5k
Finana: 13.4k

In general it seems they're growing a bit faster than gen 1 but it seems like people aren't as interested judging by the twitter activity.

Why can’t I see peak live viewers on specific streams on hiyoko anymore, it only shows archive views

>>6564542
Never mind

>>6550750
Isn't Korone's peak around 70K?

>>6566249
Vnuma is shit at noting down sudden jumps, if she peaked at 70k for only a couple minutes vnuma most likely missed it.

>>6566332
Then shouldn't it be 69K then?
since she retained 69K for quite a time on her stream

>>6566385
see
>Vnuma is shit

>>6554226
I think you know very well by now that opinions expressed in this underground obsidian mining forum do not reflect that of the fandom at large.

>>6564373
Wave 2 has the early ad campaign boost

>>6566659
>>6564373

>>6566659
Yeah, they did the ad campaign right away instead of 2 days later

>>6564373
Didn't NijiEN1 had a sub purge of like 25% of their subs after their first day, did NijiEN2 suffered the same?

>>6566972
Iirc, before debut, they have around 40K sub but got purged upon their debut and returned to like 15~20K

>>6566659
>>6566809
They have spent at least a million by now.
It seems like Anikara is putting everything on the EN market to expand since the other branches are either saturated or gaining minuscule traction, or both.
Any big numbers tonight?

>>6567156
>It seems like Anikara is putting everything on the EN market to expand since the other branches are either saturated or gaining minuscule traction, or both.
In the case of the Niji females in Japan, it's actually shrinking. Whether its because Hololive is gaining ground in Japan or because the girls have stopped being in demand for the target demographic is anybody's guess, but judging by the charts that have been posted in these threads, it ain't looking good. They have to bolster their numbers from somewhere after all.