/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6496085
Is holostats good now?

>>6496085
too early, retard, several streams from that list are from yesterday

I'm glad to see Kanatach became the top holomen after absorbing Coco's fan base into her viewership. Her numbers signify that Pekora's dominance is now gone and the generational shift has begun.

>showing streams from yesterday
OP you are retarded

>>6496485
It hasn't reach 12 yet, OP is too early.
And is today the start of the Niji baseball thing?

>>6496465

>>6496671
fastest rratkiller in the west

>>6496465
wow what a great fucking metric
playboard needs to get the graph anon hired so he can fix their retardation

>>6496531
>And is today the start of the Niji baseball thing?
Next week.

>>6496888
Any bets on possible highest peak for Niji's koshien baseball thing? I originally thought that it would track lower due to vaccines but with the new lockout in place I think it might get a higher viewership than last time (possible 200k?).

>>6496272
It doesn’t matter when the list can be continually updated in the thread. There is no right time.

>>6497156
I give it 100k for the draft, and 250k ~ for the real thing. The training streams will vary a lot depending of the coaches popularity and the picks.

>>6496418
Kanata is genocoding the blue oopa loopas she gets offstream to keep her numbers up as people watch her "fail" to get one. Are the numbers worth the blood?

>>6497592
Absolutely, shit was Kino, but I doubt she killed any blues offstream. Her luck was bad, but not 'dream luck' bad.

>>6497592
What's even the point of grinding offstream? Do you understand how probabilities work?

>>6497275
>There is no right time.
the right time is at around 2 am jst, as we always done it, newfag

>>6496096
>Is holostats good now?
Only for those who know how to EDIT THEIR HOSTS FILE
>104.21.40.105 holo.poi.cat holoapi.poi.cat
the rest of the plebs are still cut off.

Anyway, Kanata is truly BLESSED by her bad luck
>tries 1200 times to get a blue umpalumpa
>fails
>Fubuki tries for 30 min and ge one
>tries another 1200 times to get a blue umpalumpa
>fails, but pique the attention of the audience
>Marine USING KANATA'S COMPUTER AND BREEDING POND IN KANATA'S HOUSE gets one in 40 minutes
>rubs it in her face in such a sexy manner it could easily become a facesitting NewMFX flick
>Kanata goes for another try WITH THE FULL ATTENTION OF THE AUDIENCE
>succeeds
>ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in SuperChat

I kneel, how can a person be so LUCKY for being unlucky?!

>>6496085
Ibrahim LOVE

>>6497532
Yeah, that seems reasonable. I would have said 250k too but I've been fucking up my predictions for awhile now with constantly overestimating numbers so I'll go 40k lower and say they cross 200k but no more than 210k

>>6496465
how the fuck is 48% of subs "low" for views?

>>6497902
Anon, at least cycle the pic sometimes. When you are pretending you have an oshi you at very least get some six or seven different pics of it for trolling purposes

>>6497945
Shit-metric, they probably used average over all youtube to get the thresholds, and majority of small channels have better conversion for obvious reason.

Should have made beckets for different streamer tiers

>>6498013
But he's best boy

>>6497945
>how the fuck is 48% of subs "low" for views?
Well ....
>pic related
This is not even his main channel, it is the one he created so his talentless gf could appear without pissing his regular audience

>>6498054
name the guy on his left rn

>>6498119
ebin

>>6498114
>comparing videos to streams
Ah, now I get it.

>>6498119
Ebio, who is enjoying the onsen in his armor for some reason.

>>6498114
>>6497945
Here is his main channel. I assume that metric is geared for "Youtubers" that post a video once in a while instead of for streamers that post many times a week

>>6498175
Exactly. That side is likely one for "content creators" more than for daily streamers.

>>6498177
>>6498173
he was testing the baitposter you absolute retards, why did you feel the need to respond in their place

Yesterday's superchats

Yesterday's superchats

>>6498721
Pomu inclining

>>6498721
Pikamee played yesterday well, birthday followed by new hair for her model

>>6498721
i expected more from pomu
nijien is fucking done. they need to get some outstanding, groundbreaking talent,
perhaps they really should go back to their old tactic of pumping out chuubas 1 gen a month

>>6498907
Pomu is quite high on the list tho?
Was there a event why you are disappointed of her being in 5th place?
And before you accuse me being a Nijifag, I'm a Holofag, anon

>>6498907
Retard, girl has like 1k average views, getting this much money from just these few people is more than good enough.

>>6498721
>Luto
What happened?

>>6499067
Rick roll endurance stream

>>6499067
She just had a stream where she keep on singing when the SC accumulate to $100 or something like that

Here is the chart of daily peak / average for Hololive. One incredible thing:
> even Coco graduation didn't push the 14 days average above what the week of 2020-Oct-19.

>>6498721
Tts is such a carry
Basically spends whole time chatting with 610¥ supas
Good for content, good for money. Yet somehow he is the only high-profile vtuber using tts. Should be the best shit ever for grindy games and stuff like apex

>>6499176
What happened in october?

>Meanwhile, Pewdiepie is streaming for 22k people

Cmon Pewds, those are rookie numbers

>>6499176
That week had everything, cultimating on a day with
>Coco returning
>Haachama returning to ASMR
>PekoMoona soap opera building up
>500k celebration by Suisei
The 14 days moving average topped the current top by a hair.
Tomorrow is the last day Coco's graduation will feature in the 14 days average, it will be intereting to see where the "return to the mean" will land. I say around 10k

>>6499018
>>6499063
its quite low for a birthday stream
she has a holofag audience and they are supposed to donate much more than that

>>6499237
It was the high point just after EN where vtubers were flavour of the month in the West.

>>6499230
I hope it stays that way. I hate listening to that robotic shit and will drop any streamer that turns it on.

>>6499237
holoEN happened and the explosive growth of Gura

>>6499272
Anon, why would you care? It's 4k for a once in a year event. Be happy for her and ignore it.

>>6499237
See >>6499254
>Coco returned
>Haachama returned
>PekoMoona soap opera in full gear
>lots of milestones
Then
>Miko returned

Coco return and Miko return happened back to back with 2 days between, easily one of the strnogest weeks in Holo history

>>6499176
PekoMoona arc is still uncontented huh

>>6499385
See >>6499382 and >>6499254, it was not just PekoMoona, lots of events built up to that including chink shit and the comeback from it.

>>6499354
not that October

>>6499361
im calling out nijien as a dissapointent it is.
if the next girl wave doesnt outperform that, they might want to try to focus solely on male vtubers. they need en kuzuha.

>>6499272
Only a fraction of the Hololive audience, anon. Elira who's suppose to be their break out star would just be HoloID tier in terms of live viewers and even then she'd get mogged by Ollie and Moona.

>>6499348
I only learnt just now that TTS meant text to speech donation. On top of that stream overlay from Kanae, they're really going all in with those twitch stuff huh. Will the novelty persist for a long time though? Plus, niji is really trying to network with vshoujo with that pomu and mel collab.

>>6499506
I think I lost brain cells reading this

>>6499272
Both Pomu and especially Finana got fucked by having their birthday so close to debut. Also Pomu debuffed her donos by playing Minecraft half the stream. But you are probably baiting because 5k for her viewership is really good.

>>6499348
its surprising to see tts being so unpopular considering japanese vocaloid culture

>>6499506
you make it sound like its some great plan from their management, while in reality enikara doesnt really have a say in that

>>6499506
Melody contacted Pomu about that collab, it is not some soft of anykara mandated thing

how do we save Kiara?

>>6499824
we dont, let her rot.

>>6497857
>we
There is no “we”. Also you didn’t address what I said, you only repeated the same nonsense. What I said is that it doesn’t matter when the list can be continually updated in the thread.

>>6499720
It's only recently that I've found them using those kind of things in their streams to increase their superchats. I don't know if they've used it before or not.

>>6499506
TTS has been a thing since forever on the Japanese side. It’s nothing even close to new.

>>6499272
Her birthday stream got split between two days due to how Playboard separates days. Her birthday stream was $6k plus whatever came in via Streamlabs.

>>6499919
Oh I see, sorry bout that I guess.

>>6499895
Maybe the reason no one use it much is because if the chat made a wave of SC it'll be annoying when the TTS keeps being spammed?

>>6499824
kuzuha channel?????

>>6499824
>use her spark's outfit and ONLY her spark's outfit from now on.
>drop the chicken voice.
>pull a hacchama and change her name to something more westerner, a name that help people understand that she is from holo-fucking-EN.

>>6496085
gura btfo by the gambling king again. reminder: he has only a TENTH of her subs.

>>6499895
So you're just retarded and new to him, ok.

>>6499924
I thought they closed their streamlabs the moment they got monetized/viable to SCs?

>>6500018
No they are still up

>>6500018
No, they still actively use it, and have indirectly suggested people use it instead of Superchats.

>>6500052
Oh, hope she gets enough money because I heard she have an operation

>>6499490
when will you faggots leave kuzuha out of your shitposts? there will be no 'EN kuzuha' and for now the actual kuzuha is here to stay

>>6500052
Isn't streamlabs a lot better for donos?

>>6498814
ah so that is where plebs are seeing the nijiEN's "incline"? From saviorfags' scs instead of actual views, which have fallen since debut and are now stagnated at 1-2k..

>>6500008
Well, I was being ignorant bout that part, but to my belief, YT streamers doesn't use streamlabs or third party donation sites because YT doesn't allow it. Look I tuned into his stream and he's playing some JP music in the background instead of his own ost or something. He doesn't seem to care to get striked or something. Plus, I know HoloID had streamlabs on, but why doesn't HoloEN and HoloJP uses it?

>>6500151
there will be no EN kuzuha. but it should not be that hard to find an ibrahim-like talent
anyway, its not for shitposting purposes. im just thinking what they should be doing to become competitive

>>6500184
Streamlab takes way less of a cut, so 1k streamlab is Wirth way more than 1k supas. But streamlab doesnt get any "trains", supas beget supas, so every streamer that has both streamlab and superchat gets way more in SC

Can someone already post the updated ranking list?

>>6500109
She has insurance so she doesnt need supas for that. But that is way OT

>>6499842
most people only read the OP for that chart, so next time make it right instead of giving me your dumbass excuses

>>6500398
Good for her then

>>6500313
even ibrahim is being severely overhyped lately due to falseflagging retards and people who just noticed him because of his 3d showcase/pachinko/big minecraft project hype. once he returns to his regular numbers (10k and lower) you guys will forget about him like you did fuwa minato.

>>6500233
It's more that, outside of ID (since ID can't use SC but can use streamlabs) all of hololive doesn't use it. Coco pushed Cover on the point, but they stated that YT would have issues with it outside of ID and she backed down on it.

For some video game companies (e.g. Nintendo), monetization is only allowed through the platform's monetization program, that's why sometimes the streamer removes the donation link from the description.

THE POWER OF GAMBLING

no really, wtf is ibrahim doing

>>6500184
It is but it doesn't encourage reactionary donations like supas do.

>>6500535
Nijis, both En and JP have both SC and streamlabs

>>6500563
Finally learned to use Ibrahim instead of Ibra and a new image, good job ibra anon!

>>6500563
hes literally just building a big rock in the sky

>>6500665
based

>>6500563
Is ibrahim a muslim?

>>6500665
how many fucking blocks is that

>>6500694
pajeet

>>6500665
People keep saying it’s just a rock. It’s going to have a castle on it with towns surrounding it.

>>6500480
I think it's just some fag who is spamming Ibrahim in threads but Kuzuha isn't 'overhyped' because he can normally get high numbers, so numberfags really like him

>>6500727
I thought they killed niji IN

>>6500657
You're right. Cover, wtf you doin....

>Now for something completely different
Same chart as always, but about Holostars
> the branch's 14 days average inclined from around 600 to near 1000

If my calculations are correct, when this baby averages 1000 live viewers per day you're gonna see some serious shit.

>>6500744
yet all people will see from distance is a big rock in the sky

>>6500694
no
source: when he was streaming himself sleep with ebio he didn't wake up for suhoor

>>6500665
He made it too big and too high. It won't look good to people who can't render that far. It's wasted effort anyway.

>>6500800
GO HOMOS GO
The CR cup might push Astel even higher

>>6500810
Well it’s supposed to because sky castle.

>>6500800
Oh, nice one, Anon, everytime I see a recommended Holostar stream in this past week, they all have a little bit above 1K viewers

>>6500819
NTA but I think what he meant was, if the character Ibrahim a muslim, not the one playing the character

>>6500800
Man, I'm glad the dudes are inclining. Cover did em dirty initially, but their manager has done a fantastic job and I'm glad they're doing well.

>>6500879
Be a

>>6500951
Yeah, Yagoo seems to be focusing on them more than the girls these days

>>6500744
so he might get even better numbers building the actual thing huh.

MY BOY DID IT

The power of gambling and passion.
I love Pekora so this is extra impressive.

>>6500800
Not surprising. At one point, I have witnessed Astel's singing stream which went above that of Hima's Apex stream. End of an era?

>>6501028
>even better
I doubt his nubmers are coming from placing a bunch of rocks at the first place

>>6500951
They seem to have one of the only competent managers.
They’re all getting a 2.0 live2d update as well if I recall.
I recall Tenma going from a 100-200 view streamer and now seems to get around 500+

>>6501003
From a discussion in past threads, it's a better direction for them to focus on building Holostars first because EN and JP is doing fine on their own.

Plus, to point out ib's and peko's creation, Underwater railway seems better than a castle in the sky. You can't see the castle if your pc isn't beefy to see that far.

>>6500951
Honestly, I wish Kaoru stayed (or didn't get fired). The guy had the makings of being holostars version of Coco, not I content but in spreading the word in behalf of the Homos. He was inclining pretty fast and would've been higher than Rob even. Him leaving might've set the entire branch back a bit hence why it took them so long to incline.

>>6500800
>>6500863
>>6500889
Here is Astel, went from being a literally who among literally whos into
>A FUCKING UNSTOPPABLE INCLINE
His 14 days average is over 1k since May 22, and his mad incline started on this exact stream:
>【毎日感謝の100KILL】とりあえず、いきますた。【9日目】
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQ3qdqwG48

it coincides with that APEX championship, it seems, and seems to overlap somehow with Towa and Kuzuha, which may have spilled some audience over to his side.
I don't do comparisons (on purpose) but I wouldn't doubt he is the first Holostar to average above the lowest Hololive girl on a 14 days average.

>>6500944
oh okay
also no

look at this shit, how many blocks is that?

>>6501113
No one done this yet?
Maybe they don't know that they updated the rails to be waterlogged, someone tell Pekora this and see what she'll come up with lol

>>6501163
no idea anon, that's a pretty shit picture to see anything

>>6500951
>Cover did em dirty initially, but their manager has done a fantastic job
Wanna know some funny thing?

>they didn't even have any manager at first,
The only reason they even existed was because Tanigo wished it into reality, created the branch and managed them PERSONALLY.

See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QMLYhTwtwQ
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz85Zo90bTU
for the discussion about it.

It obviously shows the shortcoming of having the fucking CEO micromanaging stuff but as soon as they hired a professional manager for them things improved.
Sometimes wishing something very hard means fucking nothing, it takes a pro to develop things into a success

>>6501163
Stop liveposting about Ibrahim here and go to the Nijimales thread. Hololive fans are so fucking annoying this is the NUMBERS THREAD

>>6501145
His karaoke streams is on par with Moona. Usual 2k+. Moona also had a 9k peak karaoke stream today.

>>6501054
damn, a sad day for numberfagging rabbit

>>6501163
please just leave him alone at this rate we're gonna need a restraining order or something so you stop posting about him

>>6501163
Looks smaller than Haachama's castle and if you are not bringing any numbers you can easily go to Niji thread where this would be more appropriate

>>6501163
we count viewers not block numbers

>>6497592
> when you definitely understand RNG

>>6501246
>>6501266
he doesn't actually like ibrahim or nijisanji

>>6501245
I doubt they'll release any new audition this year, but after all of them get their 3Ds and do a concert together, I hope Cover would release an announcement about an audition for holostars to incline them even further.

>>6501248
>Moona also had a 9k peak karaoke stream today.
I am telling people for the longest time Moona is the best non professional singer of the whole company.
Sora, AZKI and Suisei all are better singers but they are professional singers that happen to stream on the side. Other than them Moona is the #1 best singer easily

>>6497592
>Are the numbers worth the blood?
YES!

>>6501321
I hate that nearly all of moona's karaokes are unarchived

weird when Kanata is suddenly the top Minecraft holo.

>>6499824
Until she sings with her actual voice she has no chance.

>>6501318
>I hope Cover would release an announcement about an audition for holostars to incline them even further.
I believe the talent commented about it and oppose it on the following grounds
>increasing the branch without further developing the existing ones can only mean one thing: that the audience don't consider them either enough or worthy the investment of the company

I agree with them. It is not the numbers they lack, but a combination of very deliberate "accidental moments" (like Aqua "Hololive resistance", Pekora traps) and sanctioned events, like the 3D Live that they already have coming.

Without that, adding new Holostars would just dilute the branch and push the existing ones even further down

>>6501389
Because she mostly sings pop songs that can easily bonk her channel

>>6501428
She gonna drop to her normal numbers tomorrow since she already achieved her goal today

Holy shit. Why are people comparing Minecraft buildings in a numbers thread. You guys are bored huh

>>6501321
Moona isn't even the best holoID singer.

>>6501453
Well the numbers havent came out yet so...

>>6501321
I don't know. I prefer Okayu and Mio singing streams. I think it depends on what you think is good. I prefer Flare's voice btw. Towa is great too with the right song.

>>6501464
ok risu

>>6501439
I think 3D skits would help with stars inclining. That Shien 3D was pretty entertaining with him acting like a chuuni.

>>6501478
already out, see >>6500762
At least, I think that is the numbers today

>>6501389
>I hate that nearly all of moona's karaokes are unarchived
That's because she sings mostly english songs and Holo "free to sing because they're already paid for" songs are all Japanese.

Fee to cover a song (even karaoke) is about 7 cents per 1000 views per song, that doesn't looks like much but a karaoke stream with 100k views and 10 songs would set a talent back 7000 dollars.
And that's money that would have to come out of their own pockets because Cover is not dumb enough to commit to pay this much money only so VOD fags can watch it and not even superchat.

>>6496085
>Suisei APEX got 21k
Why though? That's more than her Tetris streams.

>>6501464
Sure, but as long as Risu isn't doing Karaoke streams on the regular, even unarchived, it doesn't matter.
Much like numbers, singing ability only matters if they're used for something.

>>6501464
>Moona isn't even the best holoID singer.
Risu plz, stop trying to meme yourself into "best Holo singer".

>>6501537
twas a guerilla collab with rushia and roboco

>>6501537
it says apex totsumachi
probably because of guests

>>6501537
Novelty, as Suisei doesn't usually stream Apex, and her goal was to see who she could rope in to trio with her.

She managed to snag Roboco and Rushia, so some people tuned in after Marine and Noel's bath stream and bumped it up a bit past 20k.

>>6501502
Everyone is getting 3D before the end of the year and it is hinted that Oga is next.

>>6496085
average sub count
0th gen: 900,000
1st gen: 960,000
2nd gen: 960,000
3rd gen: 1,220,000
4th gen: 940,000
5th gen: 760,000
Gamers: 1,150,000
English: 1,600,000

Why was 5th Gen such a flop?

Absurdly bad timing by Kiara for, well, for pretty much anything non JP, going head to head with Pekora Minecraft and Watame+Choco Minecraft collab.
Don't these girls watch the charts and see the best timing to stream?

>>6501627
Yeah I know, I’m just talking about once they start getting them. Unfortunately studio time is scarce so Hologirls will get priority as it become available.

>>6501692
4 member only gen. It ain't a flop if you compare niji livers that debuted on the same week (?) as them iirc.

>>6500800
>>6500951
>>6501073
>>6501245
SHINOVE LOVE!

>>6501708
7.9k is already a higher than her usual views and this counts as a meme stream

>>6501708
Kiara is a classic case of doing a lot of hard work without asking the right questions first.

She numberfags, but doesn't do it SMART, and so will see far less success than she could.

>>6501145
Can you do one for Temma? He has retained the viewers he gained when starting English lessons for over 50 days

>>6501718
Didnt they have more than 1 studio. Aki was doing a 3D stream collab with .LIVE girls while Shien did his 3D debut.

>>6501145
>>6500800
>>6499176
Can you put all these charts up somewhere so you don't have to go through the archives to see them all?

What is the etymology behind Upalupa?
Why do Japanese call it like that?

>>6496085
>>6500762
>not the top 25
I guess the faggots ITT don't know how to zoom out or scroll capture.

>>6501692
>Take the newest JP generation
>Compare the absolute number of subs for varying periods of existence
Anonchama, your math reps?

>>6501743
>4 member only gen.
It's not that considering Gamers is also either 3 or 4 depending on where you put Fubuki.

Here is the average number of subs per day, per generation (EN and JP only, excluding Irys)

>Gen 0: 734 subs per day (avg)
>Gen 1: 869 subs per day (avg)
>Gen 2: 935 subs per day (avg)
>Gamers: 1393 subs per day (avg)
>Gen 4: 1706 subs per day (avg)
>Gen 3: 1771 subs per day (avg)
>Gen 5: 2234 subs per day (avg)
>EN: 5300 subs per day (avg)

Other than Gen 3, the obvious outcome is in full sight there
> the newer the generation the highest the "shoulder of giants" raised them

>>6502117
finally, thank you anon

>>6501950
>Can you put all these charts up somewhere so you don't have to go through the archives to see them all?
Nice try Japanese FBI, not letting you take my lucky charms!

But really, doing it outside this site, board and thread would detract from the every changing nature of these numbers.
What good is reading about how Holostars did up to July 13 2021 in, let's say, November 2022?
If one really need he can always do the archive reps and read it

>>6502117
Marine got the blue one so fast she wasn't able to exploit the minecraft blue axolotl gacha craze lol

>>6501743
>4 member only gen
That's not the way averages work you stupid nigger. If you took Flare out of 3rd Gen then their average would be 1,370,000 instead of 1,220,000.

>>6501968
Uh, let's see.....
Google gives me this 1985 ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5MbCSPapI
And the name is cute, so it stuck I guess?

>>6501856
>Can you do one for Temma? He has retained the viewers he gained when starting English lessons for over 50 days
Here it goes anon. Still trailing his mates but he raised his floor tremendously.

>>6501692
>Why was 5th Gen such a flop?
They're all mediocre plus they lost Aloe, the only thing they have going on for them is Lammy's sc. Polka is especially a dead weight.

https://youtu.be/gWniRHZWwnY
Irys just got her superchats unlocked.
Estimates on numbers?

>>6502395
25k viewers
15k supacha

>>6502356
Thank you. That glorious incline..

>>6502357
See, only a retard would take the absolute number of subs from a gen averaging 342 days (gen 5) and compare with gens averaging over 500, over 700 and and over 1000 days (gens 4, 3 and 2).

It takes a particular type of illiteracy to make that trivial mistake, people doing that would be better off killing themselves to ensure they never pass their retarded genes forward.

>>6502166
>Anonchama, your math reps?
By your "logic" the oldest gen should have the most subs.

Instead it's 3rd > 2nd > 1st > 4th > 0th > 5th

>>6502166
If you exclude the big debut sub boost gen 5 currently have less subs per day than most of gen 2, all of gen 3, all of Gamers, most of gen 4, all of EN and half of ID. Their growth rate is abysmal and qualifies calling them a flop especially with EN debuting right after and being a massive success.

>>6502482
>By your "logic" the oldest gen should have the most subs.
That's not what I said, retard, you may have missed the "shoulder of giants" part.
Assuming the older gen would have the most subs implies there was no growth in subs during the whole 3 to 4 years of existence of the company.

Please, this is the numbers thread, the more you talk the more retarded you sound, just kill yourself and be done with it

>>6502481
I`m not talking about subs, retard, I`m just replying to him, gen 5 has low views numbers, low sc and low subs.

>>6502285
Anon, how the fuck did you manage to find it.
Thanks.

>>6502481
It took 2 years for the earliest gens to get the same amount of subs that 5th Gen got in it's first month or even Indonesia 2nd Gen. Being around for longer doesn't mean shit when most of that time was stagnate with barely any growth.

>>6502568
It seem to think that the older gens should have more subs because they've been around longer, that's objectively wrong and your logic is faulty.

>>6502560
>If you exclude the big debut sub boost gen 5 currently have less subs per day
HAHAHAHAHA

>if you remove an arbitrary number of subs they will have less subs
Even then you are full of shit, here is the number of subs per day each gen gained if you remove the first 30 days from their subs

>Gen 1: 494 subs per day
>Gen 0: 867 subs per day
>Gen 2: 1025 subs per day
>Gen 3: 1639 subs per day
>Gen 5: 1665 subs per day
>EN: 4234 subs per day

Gut feeling doesn't cut in this thread, put the numbers up or STFU

>>6502630
>>6502677
See >>6502682, Gen 5 has the biggest rate of growth of subs of any JP generation. Comparing their absolute numbers is the most retarded and mathematical illiterate thing this thread ever brought.

>>6502592
SEO question optimization.

The actual answer is someone asked the question back in 2019 and SEO managed to drag it to the top of the search thanks to a lot of EOPs wondering why the odd name thanks to the girls going mad over the damned things. >>6502580

>>6502682
The first gens had absolutely no growth at all in the early years and it's not fair to use those periods for comparison. Just look at the last month, gen 5 performs horribly as a whole compared to the other gens. Even the hololive official channel is growing faster than them.

>>6502236
The stream was set to end in 1 hour from the start, the timing couldn't have been much better than that.

>>6502997
>Just look at the last month
Isn't that just moving the goalpost from >>6501692?

Here are the numbers for 2021:
>Gen 1: 1365 subs per day
>Gen 0: 1410 subs per day
>Gen 5: 1568 subs per day
>Gen 2: 1617 subs per day
>Gamers: 1687 subs per day
>Gen 4: 1825 subs per day
>Gen 3: 2214 subs per day
>EN: 3358 subs per day

How wide or how thin you want the data to be sliced until you are convinced you are full of shit and talking out of your ass without even looking at the data?

>>6503163
>gen 5 performs horribly as a whole compared to the other gens
i mean he managed to type that while posting a picture that shows several other gens performe worse...
think it might just be the good old gen5 shizo coming around again

>>6503163
That just proves I'm right, gen 5 is solidly in the lower end of hololive subs growth despite being the newest gen who should've had the biggest momentum. They should be performing better than gen 4 at the very least but in terms of sub growth, SCs and live viewers they aren't even able to keep up.

>>6503296
Top 10 fastest growing channels in the past month, not counting Coco, are:
Gura (EN)
Kanata (gen 4)
Marine (gen 3)
Mori (EN)
Suisei (gen 0)
Amelia (EN)
Fubuki (gen 1)
Kiara (EN)
Subaru (gen 2)
Ollie (ID)

You have to go halfway down the list to spot the first gen 5, if that's not underperforming I don't know what is

>>6502997
>gura 3m
what the fuck did I miss?

>>6502580
>I`m just replying to him, gen 5 has low views numbers
Why the fuck you retards are in the numbers thread if you guys don't even look at the numbers?

Here is the average live viewers for 2021, per gen
>Gen 1: 6607 live viewers (avg)
>Gen 0: 7421 live viewers (avg)
>Gen 4: 8612 live viewers (avg)
>Gen 5: 8826 live viewers (avg)
>Gen 2: 11626 live viewers (avg)
>Gamers: 11709 live viewers (avg)
>EN: 13774 live viewers (avg)
>Gen 3: 14756 live viewers (avg)

>>6503516
Anon......
She's been getting 10k subs every 2 daysiesh for a while now, and it jumped to 10k subs a day after Reflect was released.
She would be having a celebration stream this week but something's come up so she's taking the next few days off.

>>6503556
>>Gen 4: 8612 live viewers (avg)
Source, this reeks of bs. Coco alone shouldve inflated the fuck out of this.

>>6503645
Coco's viewer numbers outside of reddit review ranged from average to bad. June being an exception of course.

>>6503516
You didn't miss anything, coma-chama. Gura's growth rate held steady at well over 150k monthly since 2M.

>>6503752
Still it makes no sense for them to be under gen 5, Coco, Watame and Kanata all have higher viewership than anyone from 5. Towa and Luna are not that much of a debuff either.

>>6503382
Why would being the newest gen automatically mean they should perform better than earlier gens? They start with a higher floor due to loyalty subs but if anything it should be harder for newer players to establish themselves as worth watching over existing chuubas people are already attached to after the initial 'shiny new thing' hype.

Gen 5 isn't a flop they're just not a smash hit.

>>6503556
>Gen 2: 11626 live viewers (avg)
How? Choco is debuffed, Shion is on indefinite Hiatus, Aqua got another long Hiatus and Ayame only streams 3 times every 4 months

>>6503645
>Coco alone shouldve inflated the fuck out of this.
Sorry, you are correct, those were the all time average. Here is the 2021 average

>gen 1: 6001
>gen 0: 7887
>gen 5: 8175
>gen 4: 9155
>en: 10403
>gamers: 10704
>gen 2: 11560
>gen 3: 14690

Lots of changes at the tail end, not a lot in the middle. One huge Gen 4 stream wouldn't be able to pull the average that much higher anyway

>>6503839
Every gen has performed better than the previous gens until gen 5 broke the pattern, it took EN to resume that pattern.

7/13/2021 IRyS - ll:Caesura of Despair - EP Rank 2
Impressive. She held on top top 3 ranking two days in a row.

>>6503853
Holy shit. Gen 3 truly is the golden generation.

>>6503848
>How
Here are the same numbers (for 2021) including the number of streams

>Gen 1: 6001 avg [715 streams]
>Gen 0: 7887 avg [724 streams]
>Gen 5: 8175 avg [680 streams]
>Gen 4: 9155 avg [962 streams]
>EN: 10403 avg [746 streams]
>Gamers: 10704 avg [420 streams]
>Gen 2: 11560 avg [432 streams]
>Gen 3: 14690 avg [863 streams]

Having more streams can pull the average down if those streams are below a certain threshold.

>>6500438
>most people only read the OP for that chart, and are unable to scroll down for further updates
They can scroll for further updates.
>so next time make it right instead of giving me your dumbass excuses
I’m not OP.

>>6503645
>>6503752
Median averages account for outlier events. Coco's best streams were Asacoco and Reddit Review. Outside of those, she wouldn't even make the VNUMA daily list.

>>6503829
>Coco, Watame and Kanata all have higher viewership than anyone from 5
Not really. Lamy, Botan and Nene can all beat Coco, Kanata and Watame depending on stream content and timing. Botan in particular gets very good numbers consistently, and has usually been above Kanata when they participate on collabs where each have their own POV.
>Towa and Luna are not that much of a debuff either.
I like the two of them, but I can't really agree with that.

>>6503972
>Gen 3 truly is the golden generation.
It is not the generation, aggregating by generation masks the reason for the numbers. Here is Gen 3 split by streamer

>flare: 6620 avg [201 streams]
>noel: 7958 avg [154 streams]
>rushia: 10144 avg [138 streams]
>marine: 21547 avg [150 streams]
>pekora: 24751 avg [220 streams]

There is no correlation between "generation" and "success" on Hololive, each gen has their heavy hitters and averaging 4 or 5 girls with very different metrics simply serves to mask the real numbers

>>6503829
>>6504134
Here is the 2021 average for Gen 4 and Gen 5. As stated in >>6504191 trying to aggregate by generation is silly, there is no correlation between numbers and generation, each girl is a different story regardless of generation

>Gen 4 :: luna: 5112 avg [158 streams]
>Gen 4 :: towa: 5116 avg [165 streams]
>Gen 5 :: polka: 6653 avg [162 streams]
>Gen 5 :: lamy: 7554 avg [198 streams]
>Gen 5 :: nene: 8143 avg [144 streams]
>Gen 4 :: watame: 8200 avg [210 streams]
>Gen 5 :: botan: 10129 avg [176 streams]
>Gen 4 :: kanata: 10466 avg [199 streams]
>Gen 4 :: coco: 14448 avg [230 streams]

Even entertaining the idea of discussing this without looking at the numbers is nothing but intellectual masturbation tho.

>>6503890
Gen 4 is > Gen 3 now? Since when?

Betting IRyS getting 3-5k tomorrow. It's good that she could get this out of the way first cause now there won't be a reason for undeserved SC flood in the future.

>>6504001
Makes sense, in Gamers is Fubuki included or not? If not is sad how Gen2 have barely more streams than Gamers (Only 3 members without FBK)

>>6502747
The gen5 schizo has never been known for his adherence to sound mathematical rigor.

>>6496085
ohnono shark getting sandwiched by two faggots

>>6505115
See >>6504001 for the real 2021 numbers, that was the all time numbers.
FBK is gen 1 for that purpose. See also >>6504191 and >>6504351 for why is silly to aggregate by generation or even compare at all.
Each girl is a girl, each has their strength that a simple number comparison can’t reveal. For instance, Flare SC per sub or Ayame views per stream

how does he do it? he's consistently getting more vod views than pekora despite only having a small fraction of her subs.

>>6507108
Overdoing it, post once or twice a thread to make it more believable, otherwise anons will stop biting it.

>>6505568
I wish that was me

>>6507108
You're getting worse and worse at pretending to be a real Ib fan. But I'll answer anyways for people who are interested.

>Comparing 5 hour streams to Pekora's 2-3 hour streams
Recently, they both have similar CCV so a 5 hour stream will naturally have more VOD views than a 2 hour stream. Kanata's stream today had 55k viewers peak, but it was only 1.5 hours long so she only has 483k VOD views.
As for the reason why Ib's VOD views are so high, there's many reasons:
- much higher CCV than usual (literally 3x his normal audience)
- Big project so people are incentivized to look at his VOD even if they missed it to see what he's doing
- Because his audience for minecraft is so much larger than his regular audience, there are a lot of tourists and likely a lot of turnover from people coming in and out. Each one of these counts as an extra view despite not staying for most of the stream. Pekora, on the other hand, averages 25k+ on minecraft so these guys that stick through the whole stream count as 1 view in the end. You can see the VOD numbers explode for Pekora when she gets 50-70k viewer streams too, the tourists are great for VOD views.

>>6508263
Why even reply if it’s obvious shitposting...

>>6508391
Despite his intentions, it is still numbers afterall and it is true that Ib's recent VOD numbers have been the best on his channel. There might be people who are genuinely interested in why.

>>6500781
Going against everything coco suggested.

>>6501245
>The only reason they even existed was because Tanigo wished it into reality, created the branch and managed them PERSONALLY.
He has the power to do this but couldn’t give coco the ok for her project and proposals?

>>6508668
Unrelated to numbers. Don't you have a schizo thread to be in?

>>6508906
i keep thinking we need a dedicated schizo/tribalism general but then i remember that's this entire board

>>6508263
here's one of pekora's recent mc streams with similar amount of time streamed. she only got slightly more vod views than him today because she had a much higher peak (36k vs 25k). and he would've gotten more viewers if kuzuha didn't overlap with him today probably.

>>6499658
I want to hear my chuuba not some fucking noise that interrupts her

>>6502580
Going By your logic, everyone in EN aside from gura is a failure

Big numbers for IRyS, including two days in a row as ITunes #1.

>>6508263
Why does anyone even bother comparing male to female streamers? They're completely different audiences and dynamics.

>>6512258
Her sub growth has slowed down. Let's see if it picks up again on her karaoke. Meanwhile, Fubuki is eating up viewers with this early morning streams. 9.5k ain't bad

>Amelia and Kiara learning to play the numbers game
Proper stream on one slot, debuff stream on another to avoid hurting their averages.
>Ina dabbing on dem haters anyway by getting decent Micra numbers

>>6512404
>Her sub growth has slowed down
God help us all if it hadn’t. She’s already on pace to pass AZKI tomorrow and reach 500k in a week after debut

>>6512606
Damn, even with the slow down we could very well be looking at 500k subs before the first week. I wonder if her being a solo debut is helping funnel everyone's attention and subs instead of it being devided to 5 people? Would Cover consider spacing EN2's debut schedules 1 week apart like what they do for 3d debut streams?

>>6512606
omg...

>>6512839
>Would Cover consider spacing EN2's debut schedules 1 week apart like what they do for 3d debut streams?
That’s a double edged sword, each subsequent debut would KILL the momentum of the previous by starving it from attention.
Also the “gen” dynamics would hurt with the full crew only being together after a month, and then the extra month of collab ban outside the gen.
I don’t really think it would help

>>6512839
I think her timeslot helped her a lot. Noone was streaming at the same time as her for the majority that she was on. She was steady at 19k-20k on her 3rd stream. I think her numbers got boosted too the moment nips realized that she can understand basic kanji. They just appeared out of nowhere.

>>6512497
If Ame was truly playing the numbers game, she would play Celeste in the awful timeslot of 12 pm pst/3pm est when people have work and leave the more interesting bug review stream for the better current timeslot. But then again, if she's a numberfag, then she would've dropped Celeste already because that game is awful for numbers.

>Ina dabbing on dem haters anyway by getting decent Micra numbers
Ina and Ame's minecraft numbers give me hope that once there's more EN gens and holoEN minecraft becomes more interesting, they can get 15k+ MC streams consistently again.

>>6513088
>If Ame was truly playing the numbers game, she would play Celeste in the awful timeslot of 12 pm pst/3pm est when people have work and leave the more interesting bug review stream for the better current timeslot
Is Celeste sponsored or something?

>>6513205
Ame just likes to choose platform games as fillers to puff up her schedule.

>>6498721
almost weird seeing pika on top of the charts
happy birthday indeed

>>6513254
She ditched APEX because of the toxicity of both the fanbase and of her own inner gremlin, right?
With even Rushia, Pekora and Suisei picking it up and Choco and Astro inclining hard from playing it I cannot see why she distanced herself from it except for that reason

>>6513380
>Astro
Astel

>>6513088
EN2 needs a minecraft redstone engineer with autism higher than Peko. Bonus point if they are a numberfag as well.

>>6513458
they just need access to the JP server

>>6513380
She didn't really ditch it. She played it several times with other holos. She would play it as well occasionally on her own. I think she just doesn't like being painted as a "toxic gamer" She's oddly sensitive being labeled anything. That's why she stopped collabing with Gura for awhile because she got snippy with her chat when they were asking about a Gura collab.

>>6513380
I don't think that'll work cuz Apex is only popular for the nips. Do EOP even like apex lol?

>>6513581
She gets decent numbers every time she plays it.

>>6513485
>they just need access to the JP server
That would do fuck all for those who didn’t get into the game. See: Iofi, Risu and Anya from the ID branch.
There is nothing preventing, for instance, Kiara from being more involved with Usaken.
Sometimes you can take a horse to the water but you can’t force it to drink, and it’s not just EN and ID.
Mel was present in some of the most iconic moments of the JP server (like when Pekora called her house a “prison”) but the fact she didn’t really get into the game prevented her from getting the same level of exposure the rest of her peers did.

>>6513581
Ame gets some of her best numbers playing Apex and Valorant, like 9-14k. Better than platformers like Mario and Celeste by far. The problem is it seems like she has performance anxiety and plays really poorly on stream so she probably feels embarrassed playing it and getting owned in front of 10k people for 2 hours. She's also probably burnt out cuz she used to play Apex a lot pre-hololive.

https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/amelia

>>6513581
It was her original claim to fame and her most clipped moments like this clip here
https://youtu.be/2ruTV0YcuKk
and one that got her exposure even to nips

>>6513380
She ditched it because she rages really easily.
She almost typed in a slur last time she played it on stream solo

Just saw a thread about Niji fish's numbers. Ended up taking a peek at her stream and she's at 577 live viewers right now. IRyS has more people waiting on her (770) for a stream that's more than 4 hours away. I don't think anyone here has done an in-depth look at NijiEN's numbers aside from the usual shitposting but how exactly are they performing right now? Pomu is at 2.2k and Elira's VOD views are below Roboco. She's barely above the lower-tier Holo ID chuubas. I'm starting to think that debuting their 2nd Wave with this small of a base is a bad idea.

>>6513857
Man seeing clip titles like "Amelia Watson is INSANE at Apex" is so funny because she's stuck in bronze now and rusty as hell. I wouldn't say she was ever actually good, but she's soooo bad now after only playing once a month.

>>6513918
Thought you were kidding.
She's at lower end Holostars tier.

>>6513918
>how exactly are they performing right now?
Poorly if compared to Hololive heavy hitters, very well if compared to where the market is
>debuting their 2nd Wave with this small of a base is a bad idea.
That’s actually the embodiment of the strategy proposed at >>6512839: take a gen and space the debuts, in this case 3 then 3 instead of one at a time.
I agree that it was a poor execution of a risky idea

>>6513918
Viewership is fickle. It can rise and fall depending on what you play, who you play it with and when you play it with. Great example is that Apex chick that is booming right now. NijiEn just needs one person that can hit all three to be considered viable. 2 peeps and they would be considered a success.

>>6513918
The 2nd wave should be meant to widen their base instead of getting more of the same type of audience. You might be right if they just debut three more livers similar to Lazulight but if they have a different vibe going they can capture a different audience and widen NijiEN's fanbase as a whole.

>>6514039
Unless they're upfront about it, fans are going to think they're trying to flood the market.
Nijisanji is pretty infamous for doing this in JP and the sentiment among the vtuber fan community is that it was the last thing they wanted to see.

>>6513937
She was better than Choco, on par with Roboco and had good reflexes and strategy. With practice she could aim for higher rankings but it takes grind like Choco and Aqua and I doubt EN wants to waste precious time on that instead on whatever would make them more money / have them the most fun (depending on the priority of the streamer)

>>6514039
When you say market, I'm assuming you're referring to other agencies like Phase connect, Tsunderia, etc? If that's the case, is Nijisanji's main strategy going to be flooding the market so they can box out the lower-tier agencies and try to position themselves as the fast food equivalent of the Vtuber industry?

>>6514121
It worked in Japan because they were constantly getting new fans from each wave and the scene was still relatively new.
I think that one chart posted in a previous thread showed that with how stable the top Nijisanji vtuber's viewership was throughout the years.
Right now it seems like they're trying to siphon fans from Nijisanji and Vshojo and the other agencies/indies since they don't seem to be getting much first time vtuber watchers.

>>6514139
From what anons told me here (which I still refuse to believe or even acknowledge) Niji streamers don’t get a salary so Nijisanji has nothing to lose and no stake here.
They can blast as many chuubas willing to gamble on donations and merch and keep the profit from the few that will succeed.

>>6514145
This is Ame we are talking about. A person that consistently played oblivion and DKC to the detriment of her numbers. She doesn't even sound she was enjoying those games.

>>6514227
>is Nijisanji's main strategy going to be flooding the market so they can box out the lower-tier agencies and try to position themselves as the fast food equivalent of the Vtuber industry?
See >>6514268, I don’t know if that’s their strategy or just a byproduct of having no fixed cost per streamer but that for sure is the end result

>>6513918
>how exactly are they performing right now?
They're doing fine. HoloJP numbers are just ridiculous and HoloEN numbers compete with the biggest female twitch streamers. Elira gets 2-3k, Pomu and Finana usually get 1-2k. Fish is just playing a game no one cares about so she's feeling the debuffs.

https://vnuma.net/en/streamers/recent/778bf663542644ea9bfa024cd52f5fa1/
https://vnuma.net/en/streamers/recent/c908e50220bf45f7ac0d65598a8a9dbc/
https://vnuma.net/en/streamers/recent/a60d845b8f1642e880589c69594f1f5c/

> I'm starting to think that debuting their 2nd Wave with this small of a base is a bad idea.
On the flip side, getting a stronger roster might boost their general exposure and bring more attention to everyone. Say what you will, but all those bait threads here about NijiEN are basically free advertising and probably converted a few anons to being fans.

>>6514121
I'm skeptical though since they seem to be pulling from the usual indie pool where they got the current three. That's not really gonna expand their reach since the current indie scene pretty much follows hololive (and Vshoujo to a smaller extent)

>>6514263
Siphon fans from Hololive*
>>6514268
Honestly as a business, it's pretty smart (maximize revenue sources) but it can paint a bad image among some fans. Japanese fans are way more willing to give companies leeway and take their word while English fans can quickly turn around and want to burn it down.

>>6514309
>She doesn't even sound she was enjoying those games.
Not sure what you're referring to by "those games", but I'm pretty sure she loves Oblivion. That game is bad for numbers, but she has like 15 eps of it now, to the point where it's not that bad for numbers anymore (her latest got like 8k). If you're talking about FPSs, then ya I think it's suffering for her at this point to play those games on stream, eventho it's almost a guaranteed 10k.

>>6514039
I don't think you'd be able to get the same effect by spacing out a gen though. The fact that she debuted solo as her own new category of holo is probably what helped her the most. If I were EN I would space new debuts by months rather than weeks and make each new debut an event, like IRyS was. They already said they'd do away with the concept of generations anyway, so there's no reason to keep debuts so close together.

>>6513918
with 5 videos, she already passed fish. fairy soon.

>>6513918
in the end. they seem closer to pikamee than hololive

>>6514263
>>6514373
>Siphon fans from Hololive
Hololive along the years cultivated “brand loyalty” among their audience by strengthening the bonds between gens (like Gen 5) and subgroups in a way a person in “the hole” for Noel quickly sees itself attached to Flare and Marine too, Korone and Okayu, Botan and Lamy and then Minecraft server provides an “unscripted soap opera” that spreads the audience around the talent.
It may not look like much but there are o to so many hours in a day and people will chose very carefully what to watch and, in Holos case, there is always something on.

I assume the same goes for Nijisanji so it is very hard to simply “drain” a little bit of the attention of a member of the audience of either company.

>>6513918
with 5 videos, she already passed fish. fairy soon.

>>6514543
Right now EN is their weakest spot because they only have a single gen spread throughout 3-4 timezones and they don't (besides Kiara) interact with JP as much as fans would want.
For all we know, EN gen 2 could completely change this and kill the competition or we just get 5 more shy introverts.

>>6514263
>>6514369
Right, that's a good point. Niji had the first mover's advantage in a way during their incline in Japan. Repeating the same strategy might not work here.
But I think it's still possible if they go for at least a male Vtuber, or a couple of babinikus. That would definitely make their wave 2 stand out.

>>6513979
wait, why did Pomu quit her not streaming job?
Isn't her insurance tied to it?

>>6514648
for Holo gen2. I think we are getting multilinguals. I am saying this because all of their hires after EN1 are all multilinguals. ID2 and EnVsinger. While they maybe introverts but I think they would have no problems managing themselves in collabs. Even Anya is decent in collabs because she understands what her senpai is talking about.

>>6514687
Yes, and the sooner they pounce the better.

If Hololive recruitment isn't brain-dead, gen2 or whatever the want to call it will have chubba in EU friendly zones. If they really hit it out of the park, they nab someone fluent in Spanish or Korean. Still, from a numbers perspective I wonder how much garbage the recruitment staff had to wade through for wave 2.

>>6514936
Hololive is good at picking quality talent but really bad at any kind of strategy. So I wouldn't bet on them trying to fill time zones.

>>6515039
It's not like cover have anything to do with the girls schedule. It's up to them if they want to stream at those hour or not

>>6514936
Maybe Cover won't think EU is viable because Kiara gets shitty live viewership.

>>6514936
Well we find out if the announcement is a new wave soon.
If it is, Cover pulling a fast one and doing EN2 in late July or early August would fuck them over.

>>6515117
Pardon the anon, participating in this kind of discussion can be overwhelming.

>>6515251
Kiara has no one to blame but herself for her viewership. She knows all the things she can do to improve it, she just doesn't care to, which is ironic because she's supposed to be the number fag.

>>6515117
Only time I notice management being involved with regular scheduling is when the girls are doing 12 hour streams back to back or are audibly killing their throat, and that's usually in the form of telling them to take a break.

>>6513918
It's not fair to compare anyone to IRyS right now. Only falseflaggers ever say they aren't a solid third place in the english market. There is a massive power gap between them and 4th place.

>>6514369
>I'm skeptical though since they seem to be pulling from the usual indie pool where they got the current three.
What makes you say that

>>6516157
People are thinking Miki and Dokibird are in Nijiwave 2 seeing when they graduated. It's mostly conjecture and correlation without solid evidence, Dokibird is a good pick but Miki is drama waiting to happen. For all we know NijiEN took big chances for wave 2 since they can afford 3 fuck up isn't they have 4 more in the pipeline by the end of the year.

>>6514648
A fucking jpg got 250k subs, we are further away from HoloEN's collapse than that.

>>6516501
Wasn't saying anything about HoloENs collapse, was just talking about their expanding dominance in the market.
>>6516157
So far the last 3 were indies, what's the say the next 3 aren't?
Hololive is harder to predict because they also pick from outside vtubing spheres.

>>6514338
I'm not gonna lie, people talk about the NijiEN incline but the live viewer trends and vod views don't reflect that.

>>6516587
The upper limit of that expansion is going to twitch. For now, Calli, Gura and VSinger's music & video productions are enough to keep the engagement and eyes from the neighborhood intact the mean time.

Until the next batch, only then the "hype" will resume.

It's normal for any kind of business to stabilize after continued breakouts/milestone. Rushing it will ruin Hololive's balance.

>>6509060
>and he would've gotten more viewers if kuzuha didn't overlap with him today probably.
that aplies to pekora too since it is jp primetime

>>6516758
there's no incline. They see pomu baiting the saviorfags in scs and so think they must be doing great now.

>>6513918
It's this small but apparently it's really good for a fresh niji batch. People focus on the top outliers and forget that the majority of niji streamers have really low numbers.

>>6516994
NijiEN is the most successful batch of livers Nijisanji has released since February of last year.

>>6514338
Elira is declining the worst of all of them.

>>6516982
It was Pomu's birthday, a big SC bump should be expected.
The other big bump she got was when she sang "God Knows" 100 times.

>>6516897
If they go on twitch they compete directly with Vshojo instead and fall off the map for youtube watchers.
Funny enough, when auditions for HoloEN2 came out, people were upset that they were doing it so soon after EN1. Now people are chomping at the bits for EN2.

debating whether if I should include graduation stream or something (like mayuzumi's 85k view or 2-3 high ccv streams in a month) since they give massive peak views in general.

>>6517120
>Elira is declining the worst of all of them.
they are running out of things to stream or do.
some surprise game or batsu game but those cant happen all the time. There is a reason none of these girls do or should do long series,
Gneshin and minecraft being an exception, its a views suicide

>>6517525
it might be too much work but you could include them and add a short note for context

>>6517638
How are they running out of things to do when most of HoloEN pretty much stayed within their own branch for close to a year?

>>6517638
They can just reach out to NijiJP for collabs. They're supposedly less restricted than hololive in this aspect so it should be easy.

>>6517525
heres another chart peak views + avg of everyone.

>>6513088
>holoEN minecraft becomes more interesting
For this they should migrate to the JP server.

>>6517690
They don't have the holo buff. I know it sucks for talented people but just having the hololive name will keep you going.

>>6517838
NijiJP disowned them for not getting Gura numbers, at least that is what the comments section of matome says.

>>6517838
The problem with that is how many kaigainikki even watch nijiJP. Their collab will boost nothing when there's not kaigainikki present on nijiJP enough for them to check the EN out.

>>6518299
This makes me wonder if the audience is so different that NijiJP fans just predominantly don't care about anything but Japanese content.

>>6518299
No, the flow is intended to be the other way around. For the more established NijiJPs to give a helping hand and share some of their Japanese audience, since NijiEN are fairly proficient in Japanese. HoloEN has a decent Japanese following even if nowhere near the majority, the same can happen for NijiEN.

>>6518068
the JPs just don't speak enough english. there's been cross branch collabs before and they were awkward but they still happened. so it's not that they don't want to collab.

ads. view prediction? last koshien draft peak around 106k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR5wPTxruZg

>>6518441
ads pic

>>6518400
Idk much about nijiJP fandom but that's really more unlikely to happen. Even if it come to that situation, i dont think it'll be much of an incline

>>6518299
>kaigainikki
Overseas diary?

>>6518441
Probably 120k? Getting Kuzuha should be a nice boost and japs are still crazy for baseball as last year.

>>6518483
>kagami literally grabbing kuzuha channel by the collar
nijisanji bullying culture is at it again...

IRyS Subs:
Before Debut: 275k
Lost 5k subs a few minutes after stream started. 270k
Post Debut: 291k
1hr: 301k
12hr: 360k
24hr: 391k
48hr: 432k
72hr: 451k

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1415128919624269828?s=19
I REQUIRE YOUR PREDICTIONS

>>6519532
same week as vsinger? sub 20k

>>6519827
Anon, NijiEN wave 1 had much better numbers than that.

>>6519963
>NijiEN wave 1 had much better numbers than niji power rangers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They're doing the same thing where they have a group commentate on the debut.

>>6501692
>not even listing Hololive ID

>>6520150
Wow, I lowballed my estimate because I genuinely don't care about them and somehow they still disappointed me.

>>6519532
If the early dox is correct, then they might do better than NijiEN Gen 1 numbers wise. Penguin was a 1 mil subbed youtuber, Rose girl was one of the most successful indies too, like Elira and Pomu. They were friends as indies IIRC. Not sure about the dragon's history tho. Seems like Niji got a good batch.

>>6520555
So this confirms my hunch that Nijisanji is just going to keep recruiting from the indie community then.
Who the hell is left for HoloEN? Unless they don't go the indie route and go the content creator route.

>>6519532
20k for Gurin cuz cunny

>>6520150
Pretty sure Elira got 20k or close to it, vnuma must've missed it. Don't remember for the others.

>>6520201
I remembered Niji IN doing it. It was a hype killer.

>>6520753
I don't watch any of the NijiEN girls. Are any of them good as a MC?

How many hours was it when IRyS was banned by twitter?

>>6520877
Almost instantly after her first post.

>>6520781
From what the board is telling me two of them are zoomers so most likely don't have experience in traditional media style MC. last girl is OL.

>>6520555
Dragon should be dokibird, her aetstyle fits and if that's true then she's also a predator in apex and might very well become en's bora nun

>>6520555
If the guesses are right, dragon is a predator in apex and might very well become en's bora nun

>>6520656
They will most likely go to content creators. Recruiting Indies won't attract new audience, at most it will just add a few thousand subscribers and a few hundred viewers. With how niche the market is, everyone who watches a vtuber has watched hololive.

NijiEN2
Hour 1:
Trailer: 16,305 views
Twitter: 5,344likes
Rosemi: 2.85k subs
Selen: 2.84k subs
Petra: 2.92k subs

>>6521741
24HR reference from Wave 1

>>6521190
Damn, if she is pred then she'll get better numbers than NijiEN gen 1 combined just spamming Apex probably. Then again, I think Qualia is Master or something and she struggles to break 1k so idk.

>>6522292
If she speaks Japanese and gets invited to Japanese Tournaments then she has a chance.

>>6520656
HoloJP never tapped solely on the indie vtubing scene in Japan. Setting aside gen 1 who I think launched before live2D vtubing really became widespread, you have, going off memory alone (so correct me if anyone finds any mistakes):

Gen 2 - two streamers, two twitcasters, one successful ASMR specialist
Gen 3 - three streamers, one utaite, the biggest name in JP ASMR ever
Gamers - two NND personalities, one NND personality/vtuber
Gen 4 - one kson, one streamer, two utaites, one experienced streamer/vtuber
Gen 5 - one esports pro with a bit of vtubing, one big name vtuber/NND personality, one unknown twitcaster/utaite, one failed idol, and one big fucking mystery who might've been an unknown vtuber who's already made more than a hundred million yen in SCs under a year and shown an amazingly keen business sense when it comes to merch

Most of them don't have much of a track record in vtubing, if any, and I don't think any of them were the equivalent of 1 million subbed Youtubers on NND.

I also don't think the Western streaming scene should be any less diverse than Japan's even if you select only for those with otaku interests, so if Cover's scouts do their thing they should be able to get along just fine without needing to tap too much into the current pool of Western indies.

>>6522292
It depends. The Apex chick Kanon is losing a bit of stream right now but manages around 10k+. But that's JP for you, she might get antis attacking her for being a filthy gaijin.

>>6521190
If she really is a pred then i'd watch her religiously. Unless she goes botan route

>>6522530
Subaru didn't have streaming experience at all before she joined, and gen 3 has two former small time vtubers, otherwise yes.

>>6522292
I mean Qu spoke thai and jap most of the time. Who tf watch that

So since the identities of the 3 new girls are pretty much known, is there anything new to expect from them or just the same old content?
Apex girl will probably just spam apex if she wants to keep views.

>>6522530
Wasnt korone part of upd8? Or was it a rrat?

>>6522707
Penguin is the make or break in the "Gura only got big because of her past life" theory, assuming the guesses are right she is a pretty big name herself and would be the perfect barometer for how big an effect your past life have on your vtuber growth.

>>6522707
Dont get ur hopes up anon

>>6522726
She was, but I don't remember Mio or Okayu having vtuber avatars prior to hololive. All of them were relatively famous in the NND scene though.

>>6522801
is she really that big? Gura's roommate was known because of country roads meme shit and especially that belle girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL470fJMi7w

>>6522801
Gura was a knock out hit from the moment she made her first tweet.
Petra's seems like your standard vtuber pre-debut tweet.

>>6522660
I must've gotten confused by the rumours of Subaru's supposed "sister" streaming.

But yeah, hololive's never relied on vtubing experience. When scouting for the first gen of EN they didn't do that either. Namirin would've been hired regardless of whether she had a vtuber avatar or not, and I don't see them changing their approach when scouting for EN gen 2.

>>6522912
She has a million subs and a few decently viral videos. She's not as big as gura but if the theory is right then she should receive a massive boost from her old fanbase too.

>>6522912
LOL I love Gura but finding out she lent her voice to a Belle Dephine video made me lose some respect for her. Come on Gura...

15k min, 25k peak for all 3 wave 2 members
3-5k on the first week, 0-1.5k on the rest.
Gura clone - Karaoke 7-12k

I'll be disappointed if any of them don't beat the tutorial boss.

https://youtu.be/gWniRHZWwnY
Irys's Monetization stream is on
Give me your predictions

>>6523162
>LOL I love Gura but finding out she lent her voice to a Belle Dephine
That made me like her more

>>6524685
Holy fuck they're flying. 5-7k

>>6524685
15k minimum

>>6524847
12k already.
Doubled Pomu's bday donations right?

>>6524946
Yes, even more than her 100 God knows endurance and now 1/4 nijiEN's highest earner. I was lowballing at 5-7k but holy fuck her song did the trick.

>>6525020
She released 3 songs, which helped.

Seeing how she released her song on July 12, that means her full sales figures in Japan will be available on Oricon next week. Usually when the girls release their albums/songs they only have a couple days of sales before the sales week cuts off.
Very curious to see how she does seeing how she topped sales there on iTunes.

>>6522801
>Penguin doesn't hit 1 mil in =< 36 days
Hurr durr, Gura only got big because she's in Hololive
>Penguin hits 1 mil in =< 36 days
Hurr durr, Gura only got big because she was a well known internet meme star

>>6525479
Oricon only deals with physical releases, no?

>>6525673
Physical and digital.

17k on IRyS stream. She had barely shown her personality in past streams. This is probably due to her songs and the brand.

>>6523162
Want to know a fun fact?
She didn't even get paid, belle reached out for her to sing the song and she said fuck it.

Looking at how Cover got EN's music covered. They're probably want some gamers to be in EN 2. 2 or 3 of them while leaving some space for other content creators/artists. When was EN 2 audition again? The scouting department must've had a basic understanding of EN 1's skill level by then because now we know they suck at gaming.