/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65090755
Fauna and Kiara are literally about to beat Mori. Look at her income last month. Advent killed her.

Some of the most popular vtubers collab with men or just straight up ARE men. So no, there isn't.
It's an easy way to get views though, because it takes more charisma and actual entertainment talent to make it big without that crutch.

>>65090755
Didn't Advent just debut? At least for them, this graph isn't too fair since they've barely had 5 months to get supas, if I think this graph is what it is.

>>65090755
If you like having schizophrenic fans who will turn into antis the moment you do anything that they perceive as a slight against them; yes, definitely.

>>65091087
>>65091180
>t. sisters

>>65090755
>Bettel top 20
Clown homo...i kneel...

>>65090755
SC doesn't mean that much, but
>Most of the top members, both JP and EN included, in this chart are unicorn-friendly
Clearly there are

>>65091180
>If you like having schizophrenic fans who will turn into antis the moment you do anything that they perceive as a slight against them; yes, definitely.
I'm pretty sure they just don't want male collabs anon, don't try to change the definition of unicorn again now.

>>65090755
>Fuwamoco beat Mori in 5 months
Joewari da. Unicorns I kneel.

There's benefits to not collabing with male Vtubers.
>Higher CCV
>More donation money
>Not having to deal with fans of male vtubers, who are insane
>Less drama to feed content-farming subhumans
>Shipfags relegated to where they belong: the gutter
There are, however no benefits to pandering to mentally ill retards but nothing is going to make them go away. It's your job as an entertainer to effectively tardwrangle them.

>>65091320
Not to mention 5 of the unicorn friendly chuubas just debuted and only had 5 months of supas vs 1 year with most of the rest of them, on the EN side then.

>>65091262
Obsessed

>>65091322
If that’s all it was I wouldn’t care, to each their own.
But you are being incredibly disingenuous if you are suggesting that they don’t get hate from psycho unicorns all the time.

>>65091180
>Le invisible gun
Kill yourself oboretai

>>65091408
>sister recoils in pain as she's called for what she truly is

>>65091436
>If that’s all it was I wouldn’t care
That literally is all, just no male collabs and unicorns are fine with that.

>>65091030
The top earner is anti-unicorn while the bottom earner is pro-unicorn. You tell me what that means.

>>65091322
>>65091386
>>65091533
chat does he know

>>65091592
>The top earner is anti-unicorn
>Koyori
The fuck?
>the bottom earner is pro-unicorn
>AZKi
The fuck?

>>65091592
>Fuwamoco are anti unicorn

>>65091386
>Higher CCV
>More donation money
Both of these are untrue.

>>65091436
They are getting hate from psychos all the time. Unicorns are strictly about disliking interactions with males (work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass). You don't group them together with all the psycho in good faith.

>>65091684
>he doesn't know

>>65091030
2 more weeks and they will beat her xd

Also need I remind you. Mori just got a metal gear sponsorship, an alcohol sponsorship in a month. Those 2 alone should beat kiara and fauna total income without even counting mori super chat and merch sale. Not to mentions she is going to be in bundoukan

She is making banks and kiara/fauna are not even close. Maybe if you add kiara and all of promise together.

>>65091774
>lets make up a fanfic about Koyori and try to convince /vt/ that AZKi is pro-unicorn

>>65091687
You have to cut everything Fuwamoco has in half because there's two of them. SC's, subs, ccv, etc.

>>65091087
It seems people tend to forget that being a genuinely good entertainer is the most important part of the job. The fact that Bettel is miles ahead of the other Stars and is actually beating a titan like Mumei and nipping at IRyS' heels despite the massive homo debuff shows how good he is.

>>65091703
NTA, but most of top SCs and top CCVs are unicorn-friendly. Try proving that wrong?
(Sure, there are exceptions like Suisei, but they are just that - very rare exceptions. There is 1 Suisei among dozens unicorn-friendly Holos at the top)

>>65091848
cope, it’s one channel

Even if this shitpost was true
Wouldn't that just prove that the "unicorn-friendly" girls (bad definition but whatever) are doing it of their own volition then?
If they really are making less money while ignoring Holostars, that would mean they're doing it strictly because it's the content they want to produce yes?

>>65091904
>most
There is no pattern. It's just a lottery.

>>65091889
He's good, but keep in mind that Holos don't really care about SCs anymore so it doesn't mean as much as it sounds. Not to mention that Mumei and IRyS had to take long breaks (health issues, moving houses, etc.) so they had way fewer streams to farm SC from as well (by end of Nov, IRyS were at 117 streams and Moom were at 116; Bettel were at more than 170)

>>65091801
>Metal gear sponsorship (+ announcement)
>Couldn't even beat Kiara jrpg stream part 9001
Biggest sponsorship in holo history amirite.

>>65092013
Conveniently how this lottery of fate seems highly favored unicorn-friendly Holos, then

>>65091889
It's worth mentioning Bettel's big total here was VERY frontloaded for the year
He's fallen down to earth since then (still very good for a Holostars member though)
Some of his big paypigs from the early months moved on though

>Superchats
Lmao something that ex most superchated member Kson herself said was a tiny portion of her Hololive earnings. /vt/ retards can argue all they want with their magical rainbow messages, but you know that 2024 just like every year and Myth will once again get priority for merch/projects like always.

>>65092326
>Myth will once again get priority
you realize this is the reason these bitches are so lazy right?

>>65092326
Kson also thought getting Nazuna was a good idea, so I’m not going to pay any mind, shipfag.

>>65090755
I mean yeah until you fuck up, and they always fuck up eventually

>>65092402
Good for them?
My oshi isn't a Myth member, but it sounds like a win-win. They get to be lazy while making good money and Hololive gets to profit from their images. If they (mainly Gura) feel like coming back, even better, but otherwise Promise and Advent are doing a good job anyway

>>65092423
Historically, there are way fewer fuckups than successes, though?

>>65091436
Stand your ground dude, you're right because if you were wrong Rushia would be at the top of this number list, they always will lie of flip out at random thing even the discord call is within reason for >>65091747 but she got treated poorly, still does.

>>65092402
Not their fault, maybe tell cover to start giving a shit about any other metric other than sub counts

>>65092413
It was. Nazuna was a marketing stunt and it worked for Vshojo. Sure Nazuna got fucked, but i don't think Kson really gives a shit.

>>65090755
It gets unicorns to leave you alone
Verification not required.

>>65090755
meru..

>>65090755
Brown retards won't spaz out about you on /vt/?

>>65092708
>other than sub counts
Their merch sales are doing better than Promise and Advent, too.

>>65092731
Also forgot to tell you, kys for being a numberkek

>>65092639
That is like saying, Historically there are more countries at peace than at war, all that matters is that it's not airtight and there is the possibility to fuck up and when it does happen the benefits are lost.

>>65090755
Are Shinri, Hakka and Altare high earners or all of those around them fell off?

>>65092796
Well yeah the argument was they're getting merch/projects priority because of Covers sub count austism.

>>65091030
Fauna without the puddle months, IRyS without her zombie throat months, Kiara without all the vacations. Although the same could be said of Mori, who disappears from time to time.

GMT+8 thread

>>65090755
>no homocollabers in the top 10
>one homocollaber and one homo in top 20

>>65090755
BAU BAU STRONK

>Bettel higher than Towa
Kenzies on suicide watch

>>65091592
are your brain okay retard?

>>65091592
it mean mori is pro-unicorn while fuwamoco is anti -unicorn.

>>65091889
>Mumei
>titan
She normally competes with Ina for last place in monthly SC earnings.

>>65090755
Why the fuck is vesper even on the damn graph? Wasn't he dead for like half the year?

>>65090755
Mel literally got nothing to lose, no wonder she went all in on homo collabs.

>>65091087
>because it takes more charisma and actual entertainment talent to make it big without that crutch
What crutch? If anything they have it rougher since they're more limited in the choice of collabs. Unless you want to concede to unicorns that CGDCT is what actually gets views.

>>65091889
Mumei may be a numbers queen but the fact that she reads trash green and blue superchats will gate her forever in SC earnings.

>>65090755
Not really.
Especially when you apply a bit of logic when it comes to tard wrangling. If you have unicorns, you have a ton of fucking tards that need to be wrangled. Some will tow the line and not be colossal faggots, but that will not erase the schizo freaks who think that they are good company and will proceed to drag everyone down with their disgusting cuck fantasy fetish and cringe.

>>65093897
Their audience is insanely easy to please, though. Just do some annoyingly sappy romance shit every few streams and they're on you like glue. There's no art to perfect since it's insanely easy. Compare this to being an actual good streamer/entertainer who is interesting, has good banter, etc. and you'll soar higher and have much less eggshells to walk on.

>>65093821
Beggars are desperate to make the scales look even a little more favorable for them.

>>65092708
Cover definitely cares about more than sub count. It's just that they don't care about CCV that much either. Here are the statistics they report to their investors. Granted, you see sub numbers mentioned in the blurb, but obviously the income from various sources has to be the most important given its how they actually profit.

>>65090755
Ah yes, notably unicorn-unfriendly vtubers like Koyori, Chloe, Marine, Pekora, FuwaMoco, Subaru Noel Korone Watam-ack!

>>65091889
The only reason Bettel is so high is because he has somehow managed to court the most mentally unstable women to his channel. He will probably die in a murder suicide by a crazy bettel fan with how insane his yumes are.

>>65090755
Yes, thats why Koyori is on top.

>>65090755
Fuwamoco’s SCs should be divided in two, so thats 124 each and just below Mumei.

>>65094353
How is Watame not unicorn-friendly?

>>65090755
>Vesper, who was quietly let go of months ago after a month of suspended activity, beat Mel, AZki, Reine, and Zeta
wtf

>>65094505
They’re all unicorn friendly you mong
They’re also the top earners so I’m not sure why brownsisters are doing victory laps in this thread.

>>65094521
Vesper was by far the most entertaining holo en.

>>65094612
Vesper was never in holoEN sister

>>65094167
Holy kek, this is the most bending of the term unicorn I've seen from a sister post this year.

>>65094612
>HoloEn
Retard

>>65094756
Disagree with a woman = unicorn incel virgin cuck. It’s usually best to ignore them and let them seethe it out.

>>65094225
There's nothing harder in vtubing than upholding your kayfabe, and CGDCT chuubas are usually the best at that. Hololive worked out because their best streamers possessed the qualities you listed, ON TOP of being good at playing a character.

This is bait right? Koyori, Pekora, Marine, Chloe etc literally dominating while shitter ID/Homos are at the bottom of the barrel. Tho maybe that's just because indos are broke as fuck, and the only thing they are able to do is toot their horn about how "superior" they are to other fans because they are ok with their oshi collabing with men

>>65092300
oof
should have been yume-friendly

>>65094987
>the only thing they are able to do is toot their horn about how "superior" they are to other fans because they are ok with their oshi collabing with men
kek, fucking this.

Sisters, Hakkapill me; why is he the second-strongest homo, and what explains the huge powergap between him and the clown?

>>65094521
He also lost about 2-3 weeks of streaming time during January because of travels and his menhera breakdown. You could argue that it's less impressive because he distanced himself from collabs in favor of endurance streaming.

Sisters being retarded as usual /thread

Watch. There's going to be a brother-sister duo in Hololive that will bridge the gap.

Uniclowns and sisters getting trolled by one hut dwelling GMT 8 idiot with knees deep in flood water.

>>65090755
>bettel
>190k
God damn
Who's his audience?

I'm guessing those numbers doesn't take into account w.e. La+ made since she switched to Twitch.

>>65090755
I remember most HoloID using an alternative donation platform that play voice clips because Indonesia is retarded.
Or did they got fucked up by USD conversation rate? i expected Kaela to be at least on the lower end.

>>65095983
Oh yeah you definitely want to show off lap’s stunningly successful twitch career to own the corns

>>65090755
I think the bigger question this graph poses is: Why the fuck are pebbles so fucking poor? Are they the Hoomans/Teamates of Advent?

>>65096652
They are ZOOMERS

>>65096109
the real graph that isn't OP's homobeggar delusion.

>>65094929
you are VERY bad at lying anon-kun...

>>65092300
Nah, they're still there. They now gift 50 memberships instead of SC

Sisters still trying to "discuss" /thread

>>65096652
Chumkeks migrated over and they are notoriously broke.

>>65096870
You're very good at being a vagueposting retard, on the other hand.

>>65094987
>>65096109
How many more male collabs does Pekora need to have before unitroons stop claiming her "friendly"?

>>65090755
The benefits of being unicorn are making money and having a stable community without drama.

>>65091087
>>65091180
>impotent homobeggar seethe
You love to see it

>>65097322
She will never ever collab with your boiz sister. Go watch nijisanji.

>>65096652
>she attracts zoomers who are notoriously self entitled and don't want to pay for shit
>she is more of a daughter experience so no one wants to fuck her, /vt/pedos don't count
These are the only explanation I can think of

>>65097490
>having a stable community without drama
Rumao

>>65091436
>they get hate from psycho unicorns all the time
>no I can't point out any examples of this happening
>just trust me bro
lol

>>65097322
Only one, as long as it doesn't fall into the "pass" category (business-oriented collabs or done in professional environments).
Good that she has never crossed that line

>>65097709
Seethe more, tranny. I don't give a fuck about homos, just funny how much you faggots have to bend backwards every time to explain "it doesn't count". Ruins the delusion otherwise?

>>65090755
>are there any actual benefits to catering exclusively to a handful of anti-social shitposters who only tip in Argentinian funbucks if they contribute at all?

This board has fucking delusions of grandeur I swear.

>>65097719
Name one unicorn-friendly Holo who's suffering from drama in her community and explain what the drama is. I'll wait. I'll give you Gura as a freebie but her drama is an outlier that only exists because she stopped streaming

>>65097900
lol right, you’re worked up and furious that you’re trying to anti pekora because you totally don’t care at all about the homos. Go fetch your pagpag!

>>65097900
>I don't know what I was talking about
Should've said that from the beginning

>>65097964
>anti-social shitposters who only tip in Argentinian funbucks if they contribute at all
Making up a group of people and getting mad at them is a sign of mental illness, anon

>>65097964
Yeah you’re right there’s really no point in catering to homobeggars, thanks for putting it so clearly

>>65090755
Roboco-san...

>>65091747
>work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass
rumao

>>65097322
OK, this is what it would look like even if I use the anticorns strawman of who's unicorn friendly.

>>65097864
So it doesn't count as long as money is involved? What kind of cope is this? Just admit she doesn't give a fuck about you schizos.

>>65098255
Keep seething, sister

>>65090755
Higher revenue, but the tradeoff is you have to deal with schizophrenic manbabies who will eventually dox and cancel you

>>65090755
you don't have to deal with male vtubers or their fans, which should really be enough of an incentive

>>65097982
Rushia

>>65098309
Retarded or a newfag? That's how it was in actual idols scene, and that's how it is here, ported from said scene.
It gets a pass when there is no chance of romance involved and is done for their careers. Money has little to do with it

>>65098520
That drama was caused by sisters and nijigroids like you nonny

>>65098520
Rushia (or whatever she is going by now) clearly isn't unicorn-friendly any longer after all those yabs

>>65098309
If the guy has some sort of role, purpose, or there's some goal to it, then it fine. Like if it's an interview or if professional thing. There's a separation, a distance between them. If they're just hanging out, like if their playing games or something, then it's boring garbage.

>>65098520
Nigga, Rushia got herself terminated for breach of contract and she's no longer even a Holo. Also the mafumafu fiasco shattered her unicorn friendly image. Try again.

>>65098647
>It gets a pass when there is no chance of romance involved and is done for their careers.
That's 99.9% of male collabs, unless you're a schizo.

>>65098647
If I may interject for a minute I still don’t like male interactions, I like my perfect all-female world, but I wouldn’t oshihen over it like I would if my oshi made friends with a holostar

>>65090755
imagine earning less than towa lmao

>>65090755
what the graph actually says:
If you're a JP chuuba yes
If you're an EN chuuba no, you just have to pretend

>>65098388
>schizophrenic manbabies
But enough about homobeggars

>>65098729
>>65098739
That’s mikeneko. Rushia was unicorn friendly and sisters tweeting “good for you rushia! get that dick gurl!” made her freak out

>>65098303
You should put Mumei in yellow as well, even without the schizo anticorn strawman, because she did have a starsJP group collab

>>65091150
4 months of monetization, and FuwaMoco is #6

The "unicorn" obsession this board picked up around the time of Tempus's debut has been mind bogglingly retarded.

>>65098653
>>65098729
>>65098739
Are you retarded? This is the main source of drama - unitroons "suspecting" supposedly unicorn-friendly chuubas. Girls who don't pander to mentally ill in the first place don't have this problem.

>>65098897
>Rushia was unicorn friendly
Rushia pretended to be unicorn-friendly until she broke the illusion. But that isn't really relevant. The whole reason her community became a shitstorm of drama is because she got herself fired which had nothing to do with unicorns one way or another.

>>65098388
As opposed to the schizophrenic manbaby homobeggars who will surely dox and try to cancel you?
If both sides have schizo manbabies, then I'd rather go with the side that also brings in money

>>65099144
>which had nothing to do with unicorns one way or another.
Rumao again

>>65099010
Homobeggars are just mad that some virtual idols want to act like idols and benefit from it instead of collabing with their homos

>>65094005
Bettel does that too, though, so it can't be that much of a debuff. Hell, he even reads the "member for 2 months" shit.

>>65099050
No sister it was you and your friends crusading to own the incels that caused the entire situation to explode.

>>65098818
Kiara beat Miko.

at first they were like:
>Are there any actual benefits to being "unicorn-friendly"?
but now they are like:
>actually, the unicorn friendly girls are not unicorn friendly!

>>65099270
"Homobeggars" as a group do not exist. Same as "sphere earthers". It's an imaginary enemy for schizos to fight.

>>65099050
Or girls who actually pander to unicorns instead of pretending to, don't have that problem either. They get more viewers and money by doing so as well.

>>65099342
Maybe if they actually watched the homos rather than just bitching and begging for collabs, then they would be in any way relevant

>>65099050
>This is the main source of drama - unitroons "suspecting" supposedly unicorn-friendly chuubas
Actually that's just your schizo headcanon and not reality. Daily reminder to take your meds.

>>65099438
AAAIIEEEE IM GONNA ANTI DAMN YOU UNICORNS FOR CREATING THIS DRAMA

>>65099302
Tell me how unicorns are responsible for Rushia breaking her NDA and leaking information to a dramatuber.

>>65099342
Never forget

>>65099469
Every single one of them is pretending

>>65099602
Here’s the cope: Rushia leaked that info to pacify her unicorns
Here’s the reality: Rushia’s fans were waiting patiently but sisters started spreading malicious rumors on Twitter to win the culture war

>>65099466
Except in the idol scene, which Hololive is a part of, unicorns are the "sphere earthers"
Now triple down and "pretend" to be retarded again, homobeggar-chama

>>65099683
THOSE FUCKING LYING WHORES WHY WONT THEY COLLAB WITH MY BASED BOIZ AAAA IM GONNA ANTI

>>65099602
Easy, she did it to prove her "innocence" to unitroons. At least in the instance that brought attention to it.

>>65099660
Bryan has logged on to play some Splatoon

I'm just sick of the collab beggars. Fuck 'em, let them do their own thing, and leave my oshi alone.

>>65098818
10 out 15 ENs are in the top half.

>>65099466
>"Homobeggars" as a group do not exist. Same as "sphere earthers". It's an imaginary enemy for schizos to fight.
https://streamable.com/rw3djm
The cabal of the horned horse are invisible but the beggars are pretty glowy.

>>65099794
>>65099794
There it is folks. remember that sisters are not posting in good faith and you shouldn’t engage them.

>>65099418
and yes, this is a lesbian joke.

>>65090755
Oh damn, Koyori? Cool, she deserves it for streaming so much. Chloe is a surprise though. I guess her gyaru act worked. Doggos also not doing bad.

>>65099737
Sure you are. That's where the term "unicorn" comes from, right? Take you meds.

>>65090755
keeps seething homobeggars and sisters out of the chat

>>65099690
also don't forget that it wasn't the unicorns who were vandalizing buses with her face on it, but the faggot's army of famcels, hell if anything the unicorns were too calm given the situation

>>65099794
Nobody made Rushia her breach her own contract except Rushia. That's 100% on her. Unicorns aren't responsible for the actions of a crazy woman. She's an actual, literal schizo and was a ticking timebomb in Hololive.

>>65099690
>>65099881
So she broke the NDA to prove something to some imaginary "sisters"? Not her schizo gachikois? Sure sounds plausible.

>>65099858
I mean 10 out of 14.
Top half 10 EN 19 JP. Bottom half 4 EN 16 JP. Keep in mind 5 JPs were so low, they didn't make it on the list.

>>65099867
That's some textbook homobegging.

Reminder that this is what le evil """unicorns""" that attack the girls look like >>65088834

>>65100196
Keep trying to rewrite history so you don’t look like an outright hololive anti, it’s working really well so far

>>65099660
Oh that guy was just posting Fauna doxx on OKBH a few days ago too
Lasted like 20 hours before the mods deleted it lmao, not an anti-sub tho

>>65099858
>he posted another retarded highlighted chart

>>65099831
L2D papa. Professional. Not only he is a professional but that doesn't matter anyway unless you are experienced in having sex with your papa

>>65100196
His female fans were literally vandalizing her pictures and sending death threats nonny, the evil unicorns just wanted to know she was safe

>>65099466
Homobeggars are a thing but they’re an incredibly small minority, however the definition of homobeggar here has become so broad that it basically just means you are open to watching male vtubers or male collabs.

>>65100483
>everyone who makes me look bad is falseflagging

I hope the sisters understand that the homos can only exist because the girls are successful.
If they cripple the girls, they kill the homos.

>>65100332
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Ririka, I won't watch her anymore not because of the homo ingame "collab", but because she associated with NijiEN. I'll take homos over NijiEN any day.

>>65100772
But that's the goal from the beginning?
The homo is just a tools.

>>65100525
>just means you are open to watching male vtubers or male collabs
Worse, it just means you think unicorns are delusional. Which is a fact.

>>65096877
Can confirm, haven't paid for my membership in 6 months. Feels pretty good

>>65100663
>everyone who makes me look bad is falseflagging

>>65091801
>xd

>>65090755
I'm just happy for Flare
Now imagine if Rushia was still here
What's the deal with gen 3 man, they're beasts

>>65100772
>grifting loser women want to cause harm to women, who got successful by catering to men, by falseflagging about actually being the ones who care about the men who they universally hate
imagine if they put that much effort in improving their lives instead, maybe they'd also be successful and getting paid for playing games

>>65096877
Kek, so that's why i get gifted membership by just hovering my cursor over his thumbnail in youtube.

Unicorns give you more superchats but it's not the only way to make money in Holo.

>>65096390
You mean socialbuzz? You can set up or disable voice clips for superchats as well. Those were what HoloID primarily before superchats were enabled in Indonesia which was just last year.
They still use it now because socialbuzz only takes a 5% cut instead of superchat's 30%. Most of the SBs comes from Indonesian fans but there are some Outdonesians that like to use them as well, I've seen quite a few $100 SBs from Kaela's streams.

>>65102089
I'm sure kroni's twittard audiences bought her merch to made up for the lost unicorns.
lol

>>65102089
>it's not the only way to make money in Holo.
But it's the simplest. "don't do male collabs and we'll give you money forever" is the easiest path to success in the world but somehow certain girls just fail at it.

>>65092170
I will replace that straw with my penis

>>65092326
Superchats are the most transparent source of income, so anons hyperfocus on them instead of sponsorships, merch and events, which they have no access to the statistics for, except for whatever Cover publicly releases.

>>65102582
Anons hyperfocus on anything that even vaguely aligns with their delusions. Same with CCV vs vod views.

>>65090755
My AZKi... Last...

>>65102367
Whats wrong with them not choosing the easiest instant gratification path?

>>65102089
who is that ~4.1%er? marine or pekora? or aqua?

>>65103472
Suisei most likely. She moves the most merch.

>>65102367
Except it's not that simple, non of the top earners are there just because "no males". And Mio doesn't do them now either.

>>65100196

>>65102582
>Why are you focusing on measurable statistics when there is a non-0% chance that my headcanon could possibly maybe prove you wrong?! fingers crossed
If you really think normal people, with lives outside the internet, are willing to buy a lot of merchandise that some streamers are selling, you're either delusional, in which case you need to touch grass cause you obviously don't know how the real world works, or you're just lying.

>>65090755
Mori is the best earning anti-unicorn. Mio is the worst earning anti-unicorn.
I don't know what's up with Mio desu.

>>65091747
I don't want vtubers to interact with males onstream or as their vtuber character, but I don't mind if the roommate has a boyfriend or is married as long as she doesn't cheat on him. Does that make me a unicorn or not?

>>65096652
She has like 3 weeks' worth of Fromsoft streams
She probably wouldn't be beating Nerissa even if those were all monetizable, but the gap would be a lot less noticeable

>>65102089
let's say unicorn money is in bucket A.
"other ways" is in bucket B.

if you're pro-unicorn, you get both buckets A and B.
if you're anti-unicorn, you only get bucket B.

what good reason is there to choose to go the anti-unicorn way??

>>65105027
there's bucket C too. Even if it's smaller than bucket A.
Also money isn't everything.

>>65103081
>Whats wrong with them not choosing the easiest instant gratification path?
Stupidity is what's wrong with it. Imagine being presented with an incredibly easy way to succeed at your chosen career and saying "nah I'm gonna make it hard on myself for no reason". Only a complete moron would do that.

>>65103856
>Except it's not that simple
Except it is.

>>65105156
>Also money isn't everything.
Half of EN is too lazy to regularly stream, irresponsible as fuck, amd have 0 marketable skills besides their charisma.
These ENs would probably have either resorted to onlyfans or killed themselves if they had to work the shitty jobs they could get. For them money is everything because they have to live off this money until they die. Once this gravy train ends they are fucked if they don't have shitloads of savings. And the insane inflation rate isn't helping them.

>>65105295
So you're actually arguing the girls who don't want to make unicorn content should pretend and lie about it for easy money? Do you even like vtubers?

>>65105027
How is being pro unicorn inclusive to all buckets if the definition of it is excluding certain types of content?

>>65105463
vtubing is about lying otherwise why hide your real face?

>>65105572
Anon why don't you post your real name and face here there's no reason to, lie right?

>>65104875
Mori has also had a metric shitton of merch this year and a couple high profile sponsorships. I think she mentioned her birthday merch all of 2 times including the day of her birthday and then basically spent the entire time telling people to buy the blu-ray of her sololive instead of her birthday mech the entire sale period. Even doing that she outsold Fauna's birthday merch. Considering she sended a very large house in Japan, has another place in the US she rents AND bought an investment property this year too, I think she is doing damn well for herself kek. Also people tend to gift her memberships instead of superchat now, likes hundreds each stream.

>>65105295
>Except it is
Nice argument, don't mind the facts

>>65105156
>Also money isn't everything.
Yes it is, retard. Try buying food and paying bills without money. See how that goes.

>>65104673
This is a thread where mentally ill people try to argue their delusions matter in reality. With a picture that clearly shows the opposite. What kind of awareness do you expect here?

>>65105695
Every single holo can afford a comfortable life even without unicorns.
The difference is not about eating and starving for them.
You're arguing they should be maximum cutthroat and exploit the unicorns because thats how they make the MOST money even if they don't need it because you measure their value in how much money they make. Literally an irl numberfag.

>>65105027
Don't underestimate a huge advantage of not dealing with delusional faggots.

>>65104673
Why do you think Mr Beast is rich? He makes his money off merch from normies. Merch is the number one income for all large streamers and normies buy it all the time.

>>65105463
>So you're actually arguing the girls who don't want to make unicorn content should pretend and lie about it for easy money?
Yes.
>Do you even like vtubers?
No, I hate them. That's why I want them to make easy money. Fucking retard kek.

>>65105840
Yeah, this big streamer was really candid with how much him and other large streamers make off merch, its actually crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS14oq8VK2I

Only troons and third world femcels watch homos and want for Holos to collab with those disgusting faggots. Of course these people don't watch streams and would spend their days virtue signaling on Twitter and leddit.

>>65090755
>right side all homos and their collabers
rumao

>>65105906
You like themy therefore you want them to exploit their fans for money and lie to them? And unicorns want to be lied to so they can spend money on someone who doesn't actually like them? Who cares about establishing a long term connection with their fans by making honest content, they should just cash out fast?

>>65090755
Only if you have no talent.
Marine literally has the chat telling her to hurry up and get married.

>>65093821
it shows that he had massive potential for a homo

Dark blue section is ALL streaming revenue including memberships by the way.

>>65106013
As opposed to unikek trannies spending their days /here/

>>65105686
>don't mind the facts
You certainly don't

>>65105788
>Every single holo can afford a comfortable life even without unicorns
Ollie has to work two jobs to make ends meet and is thinking hard about graduating.
>The difference is not about eating and starving for them.
It is for most of them.
>You're arguing they should be maximum cutthroat and exploit the unicorns
Yes. There's literally no reason not to.
>you measure their value in how much money they make
The world measures their value in how much money they make. Get with the program.

>>65106317
Why are you obsessed with trannies?

>>65090755
>bettel beating kanata
>vesper beating a couple of girls when the faggot is gone for half a year
what the fuck is this chart even supposed to mean?

>>65106066
>You like themy therefore you want them to exploit their fans for money and lie to them?
>implying a chuuba is "exploiting and lying" to her fans if she doesn't do male collabs
Yup, you're retarded

>>65090755
It hurts seeing Reine's, knowing she puts it all into her own music projects etc

>>65106593
Eh, considering her position in life, don't feel too bad. She isn't looking to make money.

>>65106547
The original argument is that you want the ones who don't want to pander to unicorns to also pander to them because money.

>>65106383
Psst Anon, Ollie still has highest SC numbers in HoloId.

>>65106383
You're not even an unicorn. You're just a depressed poorfag whose life revolves around money out of necessity and can't fathom that other people don't think that way.

>>65105840
That is false equivalency. Mr Beast's content is for all ages and walks of life, unlike vtubers who only appeal to weebs and otaku. If you think anyone in Hololive, or any vtuber in general is something normalfags are going to consistently watch and dedicate good money to, then you really are delusional beyond reason

>>65107552
>unlike vtubers who only appeal to weebs and otaku
2 groups who traditionally spend a ridiculous amount of merch.

>>65107552
There is a holo who is breaking into normalfag appeal and she also happens to be the one who brings in the most money, anon.
>>65102089
You're insisting they stay in the crab bucket and should stop trying and never branch out of their niche.

>>65107595
Yeah, the ones who dedicate themselves to anime, not the ones who just watch it casually while having a family to take care of or even a healthy social life, aka normalfags. If you think otherwise, you obviously don't fit that category
>>65107657
I assume you mean Mori, but you're delusional if you really think that's the case. The only one who got close to breaking into the normalfag sphere was Gura, but we all know what she's up to nowadays, or rather I should say that we don't

>>65090755
The very image you posted would suggest that yes, there are benefits to not being a mancollaber whore

>>65107773
It's Suisei, her fanbase in japan has a ton of normalfags.
Even Pekora has a ton of normie fans.

>>65107903
Yes, hololive is mainstream in Japan
Thank you for acknowledging this

>>65090755
KOYO LIVE !!!

>>65106800
Yes and there's no reason not to pander to unicorns. Just don't collab with males. It's so fucking easy.

>>65107104
>Ollie still has highest SC numbers in HoloId.
And she still needs to work two jobs. The idea that all the Holos are rich is schizo headcanon.

>>65107207
Holy kek you're retarded

>>65107948
>normalfags never buy merch!
>normalfags proven to buy merch
>it doesn't count because it's a mainstream e-celeb! Vtubers will never be mainstream!
>vtubers can be mainstream
>it doesn't count it's just in japan!
Ok anon. I get it. It's not that they can't. You just don't want them to.

>>65107903
>holoJP
Ah yes, when anon mentioned Mr Beast doing well with merchsales, HoloJP is totally something that can be compared to it, because as we all know people around the world watch Suisei and buy her merch. Surely its not only the Japanese, right?
Anime is practically a part of Japan's culture whereas even normalfags watch anime, but even then, even if you're right and she is gaining a large normalfag following, which I still haven't seen a single piece of evidence posted about, its not the normalfags who buy her merch, because like I said, normalfags don't burn money on meaningless, overpriced hobby items

>>65091848
That's not how it works you retard, they're one channel

>>65090755
>FWMC debuted this year and are in the top 6
Clearly

>>65107657
>There is a holo who is breaking into normalfag appeal
No such Holo exists.
>You're insisting they stay in the crab bucket
The only thing outside the crab bucket is failure.

>>65108329
noooooooooo it doesn't count because, uh, because it doesn't! younicorns are stupid! shut up!

>>65091030
>2nd most superchatted EN this year
>It's over, this time for sure!
???

>>65108227
Anon, you've almost reached the correct answer already, one last push. Why do people not want to deal with you even for money?
Hint: it's not cause they are stupid/unreasonable/don't need free cash.

>>65092170
>everyone is talking about earnings
>but teh view noombers
Anon...

>>65108425
>top 20 dominated by unicornfriendly chuubas with only 1 exception and 1 male
>the one exception is only 11th
Checkmate unicucks, it clearly isn't worth pandering to you faggots
>>65108500
See? This anon gets it. Sure the vast majority of Holos still happily choose to pander to unicorns and only a few grifters go against them because they barely made any money to begin with and most of them are too young to appreciate the value of money in the first place, but who cares about them, they're just toxic traitors

>>65090755
Why does this matter in the end of the day? There is a broad range of chuubas to follow and not everyone needs to be the same.

>>65108800
Kek, you did not get the hint, dunno what I
was expecting.
The obvious answer is: additional income is not worth dealing with braindead faggotry you've demonstrated throughout this thread.

>>65108392
Damn you really sound like a cartoon grandma.
If you have an oshi I hope she has more confidence in herself than you do in her.

>>65104921
Damn, I actually completely overlooked that. It still looks like she gets fewer supers and lower amounts on average, but what you said definitely explains more of the discrepancy.

>>65108949
It clearly is worth it since the vast majority of Holos happily do it. Your opinion is just that, an opinion and just because a few jaded zoomers agree with you doesn't make it true in the slightest

>>65105428
One of them did have an onlyfans, lmao. But it was for the avatar, not the flesh person.

>>65090755
Yeah? Just look at your graphic retard

>>65107552
Gura appeals to normalfags and ironic weebs. I've seen ironic weebs with her merch that have never watched a clip, much less a stream. Having a good design is literally easy mode for vtubers.

>>65109023
>the vast majority of Holos happily do it
That is your delusion, not corroborated even by the OP pic unless you bend the definition of "unicorn-friendly" past breaking point.

>>65109192
>Are you once again gonna give your retarded version of what a unicorn is? Then act like it's an own when no one is like that?

>>65109267
Don't need to:
>But it's the simplest. "don't do male collabs...
Your (or some other unifaggot?) words.
Now please explain how Pekora or Korone fit this.

UniGODS win as always

The fuck? I thought Mumei was more popular.

>>65109192
>not corroborated even by the OP pic
>if we don't count the 18 unicorn friendly ones, the 1 happenstance via Apex non-unicorn friendly, the one anti-unicorn and 1 male
>bend the definition of "unicorn-friendly" past breaking point
>Unicorns are strictly about disliking interactions with males (work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass)
To quote >>65091747 , I fail to see why the unicorns should follow your butchered definition of the word, that is the equivalent of calling someone who watches male x female collabs a cuck
>b-but its ok when we do it
You're clearly arguing in bad faith, which I understand since you don't have a leg to stand on. You can keep ignoring statistics and you can keep calling whomever you disagree with delusional, as if vtubing wasn't a show put on for others' entertainment, but no matter how you delude yourself it doesn't change the facts

>>65109404
Her main demographic is young and poor. High schoolers and community college drop outs failsons, from my observations.

>>65109378
>>65091747
>work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass

I just realized that Jap’s comment about CGDCT is still generating seethe, hence this thread’s existence.

>>65101673
Homobeggars ignore this one. Wonder why.

>>65090755
of course, you'll get some of the most deranged subhuman retards in your fanbase that can shower you with money because they have nobody else in their lives nor hobbies for which they could use their money for, so they give in to an absolutely absurd delusion they could be (you)r friend, but think twice about saying thank you to the wrong person for fanart on xitter because (you)r """""fans""""" will go completely super retard mode if you do and after doxxing you will start sending death threads
but you don't need actual talent and entertainment skills, making it easier for you, so that's a plus i guess

>>65109496
Yeah Marine has no talent after all.

>>65109444
That is a big cope unikeks came up with specifically to still claim "vast majority" of Holomem care about them despite obvious proof of the opposite.

>>65109483
They have been seething all week

>>65109534
All the top earners in that graph are not there because of unitroons.

>>65109548
My nigga professional collabs where always ogey because they are ogey in the actual idol industry. Idolreps and Otakuculture reps you fucking tourists.

>>65109595
Has the homocope gone from who is "unicorn friendly" to who has the most?

>>65109548
>Y-you don't actually care about what you say you care about. I'm the one who tells you who you care about!
>>65109595
>clear pattern exists
>I-its just a coincidence! It has nothing to do with what it obviously has to do with!
We're getting some grade A schizos today aren't we? Is there a twitter raid going on or something?

>>65109496
>Le invisible gun with no proof aside from words

OKBH getting BTFO again.

>>65109548
NTA but I don't know why you try to spin that Hololive members hate unicorns. Unicorns are their most dedicated fans and spenders of SCs all around and almost all Holomems appraciate them with few exceptions.

>>65109709
>self reporting as a redditor
SAD! MANY SUCH CASES!

>>65109496
no need to shit your pants 2view-chama, I get that venting here and shitting on those above you via rrats you made up is the only thing that gets you trough the day, but if you take your meds and try harder, you might just make it one day. I believe in you!
oh, and stop listening to the voices inside your head, its bad for you

>>65090755
where is Kaela on this?

>>65109616
Where is the line then? Streaming and SNS are their professional activities. Every male interaction they have is a business one.
>>65109641
Except this clear pattern is in your head. Take enough meds and you might return to reality one day

>>65109752
I think most EN girls hate most of their fans, right? It's pretty obvious unless you are poorly socialized, have no experience with women, or are autistic. I don't think they care whether you are a unicorn or not, but the constantly having a bunch of sweaty virgins constantly and openly talking about how much seed they spill to you has to lead to a certain amount of disgust. They certainly appreciate the simoleons though, unicorn sourced or not.

>>65109835
Ah yes, the statistics >>65090755 are just a figment of my imagination. Everyone is stupid, everyone but you, right?
This is getting sad, do you have a humiliation fetish or something? You really do need to take your meds, whether its for your delusions or for your unhealthy kink

>>65108500
>Why do people not want to deal with you even for money?
Because they're very, very stupid.

>>65109496
>think twice about saying thank you to the wrong person for fanart on xitter because (you)r """""fans""""" will go completely super retard mode if you do and after doxxing you will start sending death threads
Yeah, homobeggars do be like that don't they?

>>65109950
This >>65098303 is a more accurate version of this graph with anyone not fully in the green not really unicorn-friendly (according to that anon, not me). Where's the pattern?
That's not even mentioning patterns don't mean causality, but that's too hard for a unicorn brain.

>>65109856
>having a bunch of sweaty virgins constantly and openly talking about how much seed they spill to you
>thinking women don't like that
Hahahahahahahaha

>>65091533
>>65091322
>retweet a corpo tweet about holostars
>NOOOOO HOW COULD YOU

>>65109856
You have the wrong idea. It's not that they care about their fans right from the start but over time they definitely appreciate them more. You have to be extremely autistic to not realize that they wouldn't be able to do that every day if they hated every second of it.
You can't talk about this vaguely, so let's take Kiara for example. She obviously really appreciates her fans and being able to do this all thanks to them. She's shared stories about pretty much all details in her life and streams a ton which she is able to do because she really likes them.
You seem to be projecting your porn exposure onto them, sometimes they might stumble across a retweet like that but unless they go out looking for them they're not going to find all the r34 and coomer comments, which they obviously know exist anyway.
No one is saying that in her chat so that argument is not valid

>>65109957
Sure, is that what mom told you?

>>65110067
>NOOOOO HOW COULD YOU
Ogey??? I've never raged about that, in fact the only time I've ever seen someone "rage" about it is on the catalog, specifically homobeggar bait threads.

>>65091436
It literally is all though. Can you show me one (1) example of a holomem not interacting with males being "hated on by psycho unicorns"?
No you can't, because literally the definition of being a unicorn is wanting no male interaction

>>65110069
>so let's take Kiara for example
Kek, let's take Gura, Ame or even Ina for example instead?

>>65090755
There's only 2 things that benefit vtubers and that is having a model that is appealing and being entertaining, every other factor is too minuscule to matter

>>65110124
>>65101673

>>65110074
It's true. Imagine how mindbogglingly stupid a girl would have to be to tell me "if you don't want me to collab with males then I don't want your money". That's some real low IQ monkeybrained shit right there. Girls like Ollie and Bae push away unicorns and then get depressed about their numbers. Well no shit, you're literally telling customers to fuck off.

>>65109835
>Where is the line then? Streaming and SNS are their professional activities. Every male interaction they have is a business one.
False faggot. Bae set up a movie watchalong with Shinri directly, she probably spoke with him 1 on 1 privately to do so, whereas Cover most likely had to email or fax Haitani, very proffesional-like, as ask if he'd be able to collab with Botan, this collab was probably set up by management entirely as well. Not saying Botan is unicorn friendly btw

>>65110069
They only like money. If their fans provide money, they will like their fans. If they don't, they'll start hating them. That's the simple truth, it's their job and not a hobby for them to stream to entertain your sorry ass.

>>65110053
>>65109411
You could just stop lying about what a unicorn is instead of making shit up just to help your extremely thin argument, but I guess the voices in your head overpower your sense of reason
No matter how much you throw a tantrum and shit your pants, and I'm saying this for the last time ITT:
>Unicorns are strictly about disliking interactions with males (work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass)
I don't give a shit what (You) think a unicorn is, what matters is what unicorns believe in
You're getting no more (You)s from me, find better material

>>65110192
False. They all like money because they literally need it to survive but some of them also genuinely appreciate their fans. And some of them hate their fans even though they provide money like Ame hating teamates.

>>65108392
Hololive isn't Phase, they're already the most well known vtuber company to normies. They haven't been niche for years.

>>65090755
Yes, giving lonely men hope.

>>65110170
Just consider the fact that you lot have proven to be hysterical faggots time and time again, and it might become easier to understand.

>>65110067
Trying this angle when the only people who made a spectacle of themselves under the hololive twitter recently were sisters losing their minds over a cropped tweet.

>>65110217
>>65101673
These people falseflag about unicorns daily just to fuel their persecution complex. It's funny.

>>65110366
>you lot have proven to be hysterical faggots time and time again
>words words words
attach a screencap next time that actually supports your words

>>65109856
>>65110192
So many bitter women ITT projecting their bad personalities onto holos. This is why you are ngmi sisters

>>65110183
>spoke with him 1 on 1 privately
It is still a business interaction. And I've been told you faggots are only concerned about what happens on stream anyway.

>>65110170
Please consider shutting the fuck up in regards to chuubas you have no idea about, Bae is perfectly content with her current growth and doesn't complain about her numbers, she knows what she got herself into and does her best to grow within the limitations of the debuff. She is also very non confrontational and minds her own business

>>65110217
>work-related interactions, professional activities or interactions in professional environment get a pass
Again, all of their interactions are professional activities and work-related. It is all about where schizos draw their arbitrary line.

>>65110067

>>65094167
You almost had it, it would've made sense if you used incel instead of cuck.

>>65110389
Just scroll though this thread. There even was a moron screeching in all caps somewhere.

>>65110170
Anon it's called integrity and is a virtue in civilized nations

>>65110124
>>65110113
lol forgot about Fauna too?

>65110471
>where schizos draw their arbitrary line
Yeah and the >schizos clearly drew the line, which you're very much aware of unless you have room temperature IQ, you just refuse to acknowledge it because then the pathetic excuse of an argument that you have would be even more worthless

>>65110661
>Yeah and the schizos clearly drew the line
Where is it?

>>65106064
yes but if that graph does take into account all hololive and holostar members including side branches, those homos are outperforming quite a few of the girls that didn't even show up on this last

How can you be a fan of hololive and not be pro unicorn or pro old school idol philosophy? Hololive made its name catering to a new age version of the idol philosophy where talents have a reasonable amount of freedom but are still very corpo and not allowed to talk about things like politics, etc. If you want a vtuber who likes to talk about politics and doesn't cater to idolfags, then you should go for another corpo.

>>65108313
The comparison to mr beast wasnt that Holojp is as popular as him, the argument waa about whether normalfags buy merch and everything proves that they do. You don't need to be mr beast's size to get a good income from merch. There's tons of medium-big streamers who get a shitton of money with merch.

Some schizos like to pretend that unicorn income is the only lifeline they have because they like the power fantasy but there are other avenues for vtubers, especially holos, to make a comfortable living.

>>65109496
in this medium, parasocial relationships will happen regardless of what anyone wants. it's part of the rules of the game you agree to when you sign up for this shit. if you don't like idol culture or parasocial relationships, then you shouldn't enter into idol or vtuber culture. if you do enter into either despite knowingly objecting to them, the blame is squarely on you for being ignorant of the culture or ignorantly thinking that you can and should change it.

go somewhere else if you don't like it

>>65111007
False equivalency. Unicorns are the cancer of idol industry where the term comes from. It is completely reasonable to not want them in the "new age version".

>>65111007
Idols actually perform constantly, appear on tv ahows etc. They actually grind. Holos are not idols they're lazy and them being non-transparent maoes it inpossible for them to do even half of what idols do, especially since half of them have boyfriends. Sry, but most lurkers are well aware of why you shill the likes of Gura, Mumei, Fauna, Bijou etc etc while shitting on the rest and changing definitions to fit your narrative. You're just deflecting and it's painfully obvious. You wouldn't get shat on if you didn't force your delusions on indies and other corpos, but here we are. You only have yourself to blame. Stay in your bubble and people will srop pushing back. The reason why unikeks get shat on is because you stupid autists can't behave.

>>65111081
nta but stats or gtfo
unicorns have proof that they contribute to the talents livelihoods, normalfags have no such thing
show proof that a significant amount of normalfags watch holos
show proof that a significant amount of normalfags buy their merch
otherwise you're just making assumptions

>>65094167
Tards will exist either way. Enna is not unicorn friendly at all but she still has tards who constantly cause trouble for her. Unicorns atleast throw a shit tonne of money

>>65111449
>show proof that a significant amount of normalfags watch holos
>show proof that a significant amount of normalfags buy their merch
Ever heard of reddit?
Other than that, average holo has ~1M subscribers and 5000+ CCV. Unicorns have proof there are about couple hundred of them. You do the math.

>>65111587
And a chunk of "unicorns" are just /#/monkeys shilling someone they decided is "good". These types tend to be loners living off of disability, their parents, welfare or earning a bit from some measly part time job. When you take all the screenshots of acounts with a buttload of donations/bought merch then there's even less of them

>>65111007
Not all holos need to do the same thing. In fact they shouldn't, that'd be incredibly boring.
Not every holo has to be a gamer and not every holo has to be a singer. Not every holo has to be a tourney participant. Not every holo has to be GFE.
They can decide for themselves what to do and what kind of audience to cultivate.

>projection, ad infinitum
Jap-sama, I kneel. You produced untold butthurt on that fateful day.

>>65111742

>>65111587
>reddit
reddit is only considered a nest of normalfags to the likes of >us, that's like saying a casual drinker is an alcoholic compared to someone who never drinks
>average holo has ~1M subscribers and 5000+ CCV. Unicorns have proof there are about couple hundred of them
again, assumptions. give me cold hard evidence
you're assuming that every viewer who doesn't send a sc/member is surely not a unicorn, rather than looking at how a unicorn friendly chuuba and an anti-unicorn chuuba compare in ccv, views and revenue

>>65111449
You can literally just look at OP picture.
The argument wasn't that unicorns do not provide money, it's that they are not the only ones and you can make money without pandering to just them.

>>65111771
Ask the /#/ thread about how much more merch Suisei sells compared to literally everyone else.

>>65111771
>rather than looking at how a unicorn friendly chuuba and an anti-unicorn chuuba
What's the point? It's been done numerous times already and never showed significant difference. You just don't believe anything that doesn't fit your delusion.

>>65111935
I remember some bait threads about Towa's post sololive superchat numbers and Peko's post sololive superchat numbers and Towa had more.

>>65111771
FWMC have 79641 views per stream in December. Bae has 76104. It's not worth the faggotry.

>>65111721
But at the end of day their core as a group is being idols which was started by Tokino Sora, this company has more idol 3D streams than the rest of the industry.

They may do other things but the appeal was always cute anime girls who are idols but with some twist. Holostars, e-celebs and other male vtubers were never in the picture it was just Hololive girls. But now we have faggot called Homobeggars who wants Hololive to break all that structure just so that they can have a moral victory over invisible Internet cabal.

>>65112227
First, still wrong eqivalency. Noone in idol industry wants unicorns either. It's the term they invented to not say "delusional faggot" everytime.
Second, both
> Holostars, e-celebs and other male vtubers were never in the picture
and
>we have faggot called Homobeggars
are just wrong.

>>65112227
You're a newfag
If you're talking about before holostars, they were readily collabing with niji guys and outside vtubers. The idoling did not start until AFTER gamers and multiple holos were suprised at this direction.

>>65112332
>Noone in idol industry wants unicorns either.

>>65111761
Man this really got the sisters fuming, huh? Who knew that catering to your audience would be so controversial kek.

>>65112332

>>65112669
Your point? Even her chat thinks it's weird to declare yourself a unicorn.

>>65112776
>she thinks 4chinpo is the real world
>she thinks unicorns behave like this outside of /vt/
Unlike you homobeggars, unicorns have enough decency to no shit up the talent's chat.

>>65112332
>My delusion is better than your delusion