/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6437191
t. business starter

>>6437191
Human trafficking and prostitution. Became successful through the targeted assassination of its rivals. Hololive is run by the Hirogumi yakuza clan from top to bottom. That's their dirty little secret.

>>6437246
I'm lower middle class and from America. I've given up on the small business meme awhile ago

>>6437191
>How does Cover/Hololive operate as a business
Poorly.
>and how did they become so succesful
Blind luck and the YouTube algorithm favoring them enough to somehow outweighing their constant incompetence.

>>6437191
bloodpact with susan wojcicki

>>6437333
nah anon it's not a bad thing. you can start it again this time. especially this one is a much better business than, let's say restaurant etc. due to recent conditions it there's pretty much no dead end to this, and it will become more advanced overtime. if anything you should start it asap before it gets even more saturated. there are a lot of small vtuber companies out there for now, but they're still can be counted by fingers so you may wanna actually consider it.

>>6437191
>How does Cover/Hololive operate as a business
Badly
>how did they become so succesful
They're hard carried by their talents

>>6437191
keep the keyfabe dont ask question and get out, dont become like me

>>6437423
This, luckily most of the girls were talented and entertaining so they could retain an audience, Holo needs better management ngl, but also how the fuck do you manage such a growth overnight of being small company to one of the most popualr in the west and japan??

Is like having a hamburger stand and from having 10 to 20 regular clients per night you suddenly get 500.

>>6437191
>How does Cover/Hololive operate as a business
Not very well
>how did they become so succesful
Blind luck

>>6437191
>How did they get so successful
Unironically because of chinks pumping out clips and getting lucky with YouTube's algorithm.

>>6437191
They have good luck at talents but bad at management

>>6437823
They owe their runaway success to chinks and eops. Chinks did the clips and Corona. Eop's flocked to hololive and flooded both the en and jp branch with support and clips. It was a team effort. Now cover's insulted both countries with garbage management. It's almost as if they don't really care about the global marketplace.

The only reason they care about ID is presumably because it gives them connections to rich bitches, who are great for networking within the country.

>>6438809
>they care about ID
IDs get the worst treatment though.

>>6437191
>>6437246
Are you planning to start your own vtuber company?

If you are just copy Prism. There a startup that incling pretty hard

>>6437191
>how did they become so succesful?
memes.
They have the most memes of any vtuber agency

>>6437191
Coco

>>6437423
Only Zhang bugs think this.

>>6437191
>how did they become so succesful?

Kiryu Coco. The person who single handedly carried hololive to where it is now. There's a reason why everyone who collabed with Coco was branded a leach. She was that influential. Even Nijisanji fans watched her.

>>6437191
>how did they become so succesful?
Sheer luck

>>6437191
Kiryu Coco

A pionner
A trend setting
A hard labour
A good advisor
A legendary
A bridge and herald
A messiah of vtubing who free Vtuber from chink spam in Youtube.

It really because of her

>>6438809
ogey

>>6437191
>how did they become so succesful?
Chinks translating their clips and introducing hololive to EOPs

>>6440035
Nah, I love Coco. And her treatment after the Taiwan (an independent country, btw) shit is a prime example of Cover being grossly incompetent and then somehow profiting anyway.

>>6440250
Not true , Chink just translated and posted in Bilibili not in Youtube. Chinks have nothing to claim about Hololive's success.

Chink was forbidened to use Youtube by law

Reminder that without Coco, HoloEN would be streaming on bilibili.

>>6438809
>owe success to the zhangs
>in return they sacrifice coco

>>6440250
LYGER is not chink YOU fucking nigga. That rrat won't land nor will it fly.

>>6437191
Wasn't Hololive an established thing before the whole vtubing business? There's videos and stuff that go through an entire office for them, surely that's not cheap especially in Japan.

>>6440367
Hololive moments was one of THE biggest Hololive clip channels (big enough that a lot of people thought they were official) before they killed themselves over Taiwan, and they were all chinks.
Try again, ESL chama

Remind you, Chinks can not use Youtube by their law. They just translate and post in Bilibili. Chink can not claim anything about Hololive's popularity in Youtube.

JP bros who know English and SEAnigger who understand Nihongo translated stream and bring EOP fans to Hololive.

Not Chink

>>6440406
Don't believe nijinigger propaganda. Nijisanji vermin need to be extinguished from this board.
Just a bunch of pathogenic liars holy shit.

>>6438809
the chinese literally had less of an impact on hololive over its entire lifetime than holoEN in a month.
the chinese market is irrelevant when you have to choose between it and the rest of the world, that isnt full of shizos that piss themselves whenever a statistic is called out with a country on it you dont agree with.
Even israel is less spastic about ghaza if someone calls it a country. imagine being worse than jews lmao

>>6440464
Are you really siding with the leaching clipfaggots?

>>6440464
Lyger not chink. Birdkun not chinks and others channels are not chink.

You just pick 1 channel in the sea to claim Hololive success to chink

Pityful Zhange

They were a tech startup focused on the mocap stuff but now it seems to have shifted entirely to entertainment.
They probably still have some engineers that were there from the start since Japanese companies rarely lay off their employees but I doubt they've hired any new ones.

>>6440464
Lyger deserves their respect. You are a fucking faggot for siding with chink vermin and parroting Nijisanji garbage.

>>6440464
The biggest my ass Lmao

>>6440486
>the chinese literally had less of an impact on hololive over its entire lifetime than holoEN in a month.
>the chinese market is irrelevant when you have to choose between it and the rest of the world
These are both true, and make it clear that getting out of China entirely was the right choice for Hololive.
Neither of them change that in Hololive's early days Chinese fans kept them afloat.
>>6440520
>>6440526
No. To be clear: Fuck Hololive Moments, they deserve to be mocked and forgotten for what they did to Coco.
But they doesn't change the fact that when they existed, they were, objectively, one of the largest sources for popular Hololive clips, the kind that gave Hololive their big EOP boom.

The point is that pretending Hololive wasn't made successful by Chinese fans is just rewriting history. If anything, you need to accept that that was the case and that giving China that much pull over them in the first place was a mistake.

>>6440367
Yes, yes. Zhang bad. West Taiwan bad. We all know that. You don't have to try this hard to rewrite history though.

>>6440464
>Hololive moments was one of THE bigges..

Stop right there. You are Zhang.

>>6440464
> Chink was forbideen use Youtube by law
> Chink claim Hololive success because of leaching clipfaggot channel.

Zhangchama

>>6440373
HoloEN already had bilibili accounts by their debut but Enma didn't let cover simulcast their streams on bilibili, even before the Taiwan yab happened. Picrel is the actual newfag.

>>6440616
The only reason hololive moments became big was because of the NAME.

>>6440417
>>6440526
>>6440573
Why are you sucking Lyger's dick? He might not be a chink, but he's practically Matsuri's stalker. He is not someone you should praise.

>>6440373
Enma won't let it happen dude

>>6440438
Cover was and technically is but haha as if they're ever going to focus on anything but their cash cow again. I'm pretty sure they were a tech start up for face capture or something which led to the vtubing thing.

>>6440683
No one cares. I still watched Lygers clips. Quebec and some Korone clipper, I think their name ended with XD. They Are the real OG clip hero's. Vermin like you should stop praising those leeching Zhang faggots.

>>6440800
I was never praising Hololive Moments. All they did was repost clips from other chinks, they were worthless even before they outted themselves as pure scum.
All I did was comment on how popular they were, which was big. They lost like 30k (and I can't be clear enough, they deserved to lose even more), but passing 200k is STILL a lot for clippers, even with how much bigger Hololive has gotten.
And just to reiterate: Unless you're a massive numberfag, going "they had a lot of subscribers before they self-destructed" should not be taken as praise of their quality. Just evidence that they were influential while they existed.

>>6440673
Retard. They were dominating the clip scene between Late 2019 - Summer 2020. They had more subs than most holos. All the big clip channels you know - Sushi, Tengoku, even fucking birdkun, came to be after Hololive moments spammed the algorithm with translated hololive clips and bilibili meme videos. You ignore such simple facts because you're too prideful to accept that zhangs are the reason why your preferred medium of entertainment took off. And not that you have to, I just find it ironic that they had so much hand in Hololive's growth yet got fucked by Cover in the end, no doubt because the EOPs who they helped bring into the fanbase would still be around to support Cover even if they dropped China.
Zhangs can eat shit for all I care. But you're delusional to think that the ONLY reason Hololive is the state it is today is because lyger translated some story about Festival wearing band aids on her nipples.

shit company carried by talent like Pekora and Marine.

emphasis on shit company.

>>6440
Lyger may be stalker but Chink are worsen than stalker. They want to murder and rape Coco. This clip was posted in October last year. Look at comment , you may find something interest.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Gr4y1w7X9

>>6441038
Are the Chinese just Schizoposter - The Race?

>>6441038
Consider: Both are bad and should not be praised, even if you have to give them credit for Hololives rise in popularity.

>>6437191
>they fucking suck at it
>chink clippers and clippers in general + the yt algorithm luck

There literally was a chink clip channel for eops with 600k subs but since the coco incedent happened they deleted that channel

>>6440963
I'm not reading Nijisanji propaganda. As I said. I don't give a fuck about Niji manufactured nonsense.

>>6441125
I just do not understand why this clip is al right by Bilibili regulation.

>>6441217
You are a globaltard who got into Hololive last week by watching Gura making shark noises anyway, what would you know?

>>6441217
Are you the same seanigger who loves that stupid shark picture and saying chuuni shit like "YOUR ANCESTORS WERE EVIL" about Nijifags? If so kill yourself. If not still kill yourself.

>>6441244
>shaaaarkk shark!

>>6441038
This is the type of people Nijisanji faggots will defend to justify their own retarded arguments.

>>6440963
>watame
Kys hololive moment chink

>>6441125
I have to admit Taiwan yab made me racist to Chink and I have half- blood Chink in my vein.

God damn it

>>6441244
If only that were true.

>>6441320
When have Nijifags defended that. I've seen more Hololive """fans""" saying Coco deserved what she got "for being a vshoujo whore" than Nijifans saying anything.

>>6441263
>YOUR ANCESTORS WERE EVIL"

How could you tell.

>>6441320
No , we are not

>>6441365
Don't believe everything you read son.

>>6441365
Tribalfags and falseflags are a deadly combo, look what they managed to do to this board. Practically unusable outside of the generals.

>>6441419
I already acknowledged that the Coco antis are probably not actual Hololive fans, so I'm not sure what you're even getting at.

>>6437191
>and how did they become so succesful?
They got lucky, literally all luck no talent with these guys.

>>6437191
Real post. The most important things are their image of camaraderie between each other, and staying true to and being comfortable with the character and kayfabe they establish for themselves. People don't want to watch normal boring people. They want to watch interesting people, even if it's a constructed personality. But the audience is attentive enough to know when the streamer is faking it, and one thing hololive streamers are really good at is living as their personality. And when you have handful of interesting people that regularly mention, interact, and collab with each other, you get a multiplying effect. They then create their own memes and in jokes that all of the members and the audience know about that helps to make the viewers more invested in the streamers. You see a sheep, both the streamer and viewers will mention Watame. The streamer starts saying lewd things, the matsuri/senchou line/bottom left is mentioned. Someone taking drugs or getting doped up, then it's Asacoco or the Watson concoction.
After that, there's clips and Asacoco. Vtubers revolve around streamer and audience interaction, but it's hard to know all of the in jokes and memes that develop unless you watch every stream, which nobody really has the time to do. Clips and Asacoco worked as gateways to get your foot in the door for new viewers, or as reinforcement into the "community" that hololive has made for veteran viewers. Asacoco in particular was effective because it was concise and regular, while also making sure to advertise the other members. It also added its own flair to keep viewers coming back. In the end the viewers will start to care for or at least know about all of the members even if they haven't watched them. Then, once they find someone that catches their eye, they establish their oshi(s) and are stuck. It's the same with the meme review. It introduces and reinforces the "character" and in jokes of each member even if only superficially. It was rote, but people always came back to it, both EOPs and JOPs. It's all a positive feedback loop leading viewers back to the hololive community. Combine these multiplying factors together and you get hololive's explosion in popularity.

>>6440192
>>6440085
this, a really big chunk of it is thanks to this woman, glad she frees herself with that "shackles" and go on a different path.
Someday, you might see her eventually standing against her previous affiliation

>>6441559
So what you're saying is Cover had nothing to do with its success

>>6441009
>Pekora and Marine
lol

>>6441620
Tldr : correct

>>6441620
The only thing that cover did right was to scout the right people and segregate Hololive from Holostars

>>6441244
You are a nigger who survived abortion. If only they had finished the job. They probably could've avoided the 'thing' you turned out to be. Just a waste of space, retarded ass useless piece of shit.

>>6437191
Like most businesses it was mostly luck.
Sora exploded because one of the biggest vtubers on the scene at the time ran into technical difficulties during a Christmas celebration stream, leading to a ton of people being redirected to Sora's stream. Her growth snowballed like crazy, and when hololive was put together it was carried by her name for quite some time before Fubuki then Aqua started to take off due to their own virality with some love for Choco who performed much better back then. It wasn't until 3rd generation at the earliest that hololive was seen as a serious worthwhile brand instead of just being that company that owned a few notable talents.

Then Kiryu Coco came along and got picked up by algorithm which made her spread like crazy to traditional western content creators leading to the company as a whole seeing a massive surge in the Western community. You more or less know everything else.

At the end of the day Cover just happened to be in the right places at the right time, and to their credit, a lot of companies just don't have the balls to last long enough for a lucky break.

>>6441620
Cover's scouting is sometimes overrated thanks to the successes they've had. Nobody brings up the relative duds since they're still successful off the back of other girls.

>>6441620
Yeah more or less, they chose the right talent
Maybe they have some competent managers behind the scenes that help grease the wheels between other members, but that's not something we see or has really been mentioned by the members

It started thanks to Miko saying nigga during a GTA V stream, then the Azur Lane collab from late-November to mid-December 2019, which brought EOPs like me to clippers like Lyger, Hololive Moments, Sticky Nut, Yoyuu, etc. It then got bigger thanks to Korone's interactions with English speakers around May last year, Coco's meme review and then HoloEN.
It also helped that Hololive JP's management interacted a lot with English speakers during early 2020 with community posts on YouTube, official HoloGra subtitles, a Facebook page, acquiring the fanmade Hololive subreddit, etc.

>>6437191
Many controversies aka free publicity helps too

>>6441620
Now you know why it's sometimes hard for these startups that are popping up. Most of the time management's influence will only play a small part in the talent gaining traction.

>>6441838
>Azur Lane
I forgot about that, but add that to the list of examples of China propping up early Hololive.

>>6441739
Why must you hurt me this way.

>>6441838
Blessed https://youtu.be/Pd22wbqeQDE

>>6441795
This. A lot of girls came in through open audition anyways and who knows how many big hitters Cover missed out on. Most companies have talents that aren't really inferior to the average holo in any way but they're stuck in a smaller brand like Kuku or get fucked over like Ryo/Umi. It's just that hololive's successful so people are acting like the talent is exceptional.

>>6441795
>>6441817
I heared Fubuki helped Cover scout Gamer ,Gen2 and Gen3

>>6441949
Gamers was literally her bringing in her friends in between actual generations and Cover just going "Ok, I guess."
She probably got Oga into Holostars too, since he had seemingly no internet presence before hand and is good friends with her.
Gen 3 was mostly auditions, although Pekora was probably Miko getting her friend in too.

>>6441902
Azur Lane obviously helped and brought in some people like the anon you responded to, but I don't think it had a significant impact
You have the pool of Azur Lane players which isn't extremely large, then you cut that by the people that would bother to look up hololive after the event which is even smaller.
I for one played Azur Lane through the hololive event, and while I rolled them for the sake of completion, didn't give a shit about hololive even after the event.

>>6441739
Don't like getting called out newfag?

>>6441949
In the capacity that she introduced her friends to her job.
A lot of people don't realize that before gen 3 hololive was really different. A lot of people thought the company was a joke and they couldn't pull in any names to their auditions at all and had to compromise a lot on their hires.

>You are a nigger who survived abortion. If only they had finished the job. They probably could've avoided the 'thing' you turned out to be. Just a waste of space, retarded ass useless piece of shit.
>>6442004

>>6442023
Whatever they did to get gen 3 they should've done to get gen 4. Even if Coco was a smashing success I always felt that the rest of the gen fell in her shadow.

>>6441838
I forgot to mention that it was also thanks to talents who could speak English like Haato, Coco and even Civia, that Hololive grew bigger with western audiences at that time. Asacoco being streamed at around 2 pm to 6 pm for Americans was also a plus.

>>6442087
Holofags getting mad at Towa's original yab killed any chance of Gen 4 having the same level of closeness as Gen 3.
>>6442128
I know she's hated now, but Artia probably had more impact than Civia. She got the reddit audience before Coco did at least.

>>6442052
>chadding your own post

>>6442087
Gen 4 is a dud gen (outside of Coco) sat between the most successful Gen and the most tight knit Gen.

>>6442178
Kanata and Watame are both amazing singers.

>>6442178
>the most tight knit Gen.
>Kills one of their members in week one
lol

>>6442087
Coco, Watame, and Kanata were always close, especially during the ARK days. Towa was too busy playing Apex though, and Luna was too much of a recluse

>>6442149
>I know she's hated now, but Artia probably had more impact than Civia.She got the reddit audience before Coco did at least.
That's also true. I remember her sneaking into (at the time) the biggest Hololive Discord server and asking for a mod role with the argument that she was a Holomem before her announcement. It was a big deal at the time, but her popularity didn't last long, and IIRC, it was kinda close to HoloID's debut, which quickly shadowed her with kind of native English speakers.

>>6442205
Should've been vsingers then

>>6442221
that's the reason why they're tight-knit you absolute retard, they don't want to lose another

>>6442178
true, 4th gen was absolutely carried by Coco, no doubts her impact was great. Because of that, I wouldn't really consider it a dud exactly today. It would have been without Coco, but because of her influence Kanata and Watame have come into their own. Towa is... well, doing her own thing, and... honestly I don't know enough about Luna, I don't watch her. But I wouldn't call it any more of a 'dud' gen than gen 2 or 1.2y4wk

>>6441263
Revising history again, Nijifaggot?

Goalpost after Goalpost, you REALLY would love to see.

https://youtu.be/DlnfiULnmMY I know it's China, but it's effectively the same thing.

>>6443573
There's the retard! Speak of the devil.

>>6440472
Tbf, the Chinese translators/clippers and memes were what put them on the map in the first place. It got the momentum started and everything worked out perfectly. I remembered my friends talking about HL when the Azur Lane collab came out and Bilibili memes kept me interested. I tuned into HL Moments a lot since they were the most prominent clippers at the time. And clippers, competent translators or not, saw the number, started coming out left and right, from only one Reddit entry listing like 50 clippers to hundreds. Like the playlist for all translated clips struggled to reach 1000 limit back then, the second one from 1001-2000 got maxed even quicker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Xxo6utgNA
(I'm not gonna disregard the work of Lyger, Shiroemon, Shirobaka,... but they could only do so much compared to a team of translators from HL Moments, before new clippers came to the scene)

>>6441988
Yea, but like I don't even play AL but my friends who played during the event kept recommending me clips they found until I finally bit the bait. Even if it's insignificant compared to the great success they have atm, it did spark some interests.

>>6437191
>how did they become so succesful?
99% luck
>How does Cover/Hololive operate as a business?
I'd say they doing good job at taking advantage of their luck overall and expand on that oppurtunity unlike anycara. But like most Vtuber bussiness they still in the process of finding the "right way" or the right bussiness model since this whole bussines is fairly new. Overall i like their carefull approach by watching the market and the fanbase carefully in their decision making.

>>6437191
Poorly

Memes

>>6437460
>there's pretty much no dead end to this
the entire fate of the company is in the hands of like 3 people at other companies, as we saw with IRyS' twitter suspension

>>6437191
Memes. Hololives word-of-mouth is unmatched. No other company has put out as many viral memes as them.

>>6437191
The most schizo rrat ever: For the most part, Yagoo knows what he's doing.

they were a small vtuber agency until gen 3 and holo gamers absolutely skyrocketed them

>>6440085
Oh fuck off

>>6440482
hololivemoments was the top clipper for a long time and they were owned by chinese. Quit pretending like you know shit