/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>63751850
>Mumei streamed less than Ame
Lazy whore

>>63751850
there's only one way

>>63751850
Does she really need saving when she earns more money than you even without doing anything?

>Not even 1000 hours streamed.
Pathetic.

>>63752314
Advent would be in the path for that but they debuted 4 months ago

>>63751850
Sasuga Mori

>>63752013
She only streams these days if Niji or Tempus is involved sadly

>>63752314
Bijou and FWMC are on their 4th month and streamed more than the entirety of EN. What's pathetic is Myth and Council.

>>63751850
IRyS and Bae being higher than Fauna is kind of a mindfuck, it doesn't really feel that way to me for some reason.

>>63751850
Is the number of hours really a better metric than number of streams? I would much rather have my oshi stream for 2 hours 6 days per weak than have one 12 hour stream per week.

>>63752647
Myth and what?

>>63752723
>>63752745

>>63752745
personally I prefer longer streams

>>63752745
Stream length has diminishing returns, but it's pretty subjective depending on topic and individual viewer.

>>63752745
whatever makes it more convenient to shit on whoever you want to shit on

>>63752498
>>63752647
Sorry, I'm a bit drunk so I might've gotten confused. The chart is showing total hours streamed for 2023?

>>63752837
total hours in 2023 however advent debuted 4 months ago so they only got 4 months of active days

>>63751850
>Calli and Kiara are the most active and dedicated of Myth & Council/Promise by a large margin
>are the ones most hated by /vp/
Why are you like this?

>>63751850
>Workaholic/honeymoon tier
Bibou, FWMC, Mori, Nerissa, Kiara

>Healthy balance tier
Bae, Shiori, IRyS, Fauna

>Lazy/"Hoilolive is not my only occupation" tier
Ame, Ina, Mumei, Kronii

>Checked out tier
Gura

>>63752987
>watch Kiara playing Myth minigames
>GODDAMN GODDAMN FUCK
>AAAAAAAAA
>more screeching
Why is she like this?

>>63752632
And how many times did she streams with either of them?

>>63751850
She has to save herself. We can't force her to press the 'start stream' button.

>>63752140
Dragon turns into yankee
Fox turns into roach
Kettle turns into normalfag
Shark turns into ???

>>63752314
Sleeping streams don't count you dumb twitchnigger

>>63752987
I don't think many /vp/ autists watch vtubers

If Gura had a different, older age model and as a result didn't have an audience filled with loner pedophiles she would stream much more often.

>>63751850
How does Kaela's look like?

>>63753150
FFFFUCK SHIT FUUCK!!!!!

>>63752987
Ever heard of quality over quantity?

>>63751850
>How do we save Gura?
Watch Bijou

>>63753550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JahMbGVTVwA&ab_channel=MGalkins

>>63752745
I'd rather have 12 hour streams 7 days a week desu

>>63753493

>>63753493

>>63753467
Chuubas like Ina, Kanata, Ui Mama etc are proof that you can have a petite model and not attract that kind of audience. It's the way you act is what baits degenerates.

>>63753770
That's absurd. Even extrapolating Bijou's data to a year, Kaela is still over 500 hours of stream time ahead

>>63751850
Alpha Cunny Omega Cunny
Biboo and Gura what an irony

>>63753865
yeah I mean Kaela is just on another level biologically, you can't compare her to other girls
She only needs 2 hours of sleep / day because of her rare gene mutation (ADRB1)

>>63753770
>Total hours streamed: 2033
>Active days: 333
Which means her score is
>6.1
God damn Kaela

>>63754030
Literally built different
Sasuga oshi

>>63753150
She's just thinking out loud, would you prefer dead air or nonstop zatsu where she just says a bunch of shit while not actually saying anything?

>hololive friends with u Gawr Gura 2887 $21.00 $60,627.00
>hololive friends with u Mori Calliope 1619 $21.00 $33,999.00
>hololive friends with u Takanashi Kiara 1132 $21.00 $23,772.00
>hololive friends with u Ninomae Ina'nis 2223 $21.00 $46,683.00
>hololive friends with u Watson Amelia 1516 $21.00 $31,836.00

Gura is doing just fine

>>63754155
more reasons for her to ignore chumbuds

>>63754155
Chumbuds are like Disney adults. They get mad over Disney changing or removing an old ride and vow to never return to the parks again. Meanwhile, crowds are higher than ever even with rising prices. Until Gura graduates, chumbuds and their bottomless pockets aren't going anywhere.

>>63754134
>kikkeriki~!
>4 hours of silent swimsuit kiara
>auf wiedersehen~!
The perfect stream

>>63751850
I can fix her!

>>63753865
And if you extrapolate it to November she's almost 650 hours ahead

she doesn't want to be saved, she's extremely comfortable in her position

Shiori looks relatively lazy but she clearly knows how to pace herself for obvious reasons. She'll slowly keep plodding along gaining fans like Fauna did for the first 1.5 years, whilst everyone around her burns out and/or yabs.

>>63753361
>Shark turns into ???
Nothing. If and when she voluntarily leaves Hololive is most likely because she doesn't want to be a chuuba anymore.

>>63753361
Blu

>>63754120
Skill issue lah

>>63751850
We don't.

>>63753467
Sure lol, that must be the reason why she's naked half the time she appeared in official MVs.

>>63751850
"how do we save Adventfags and cuckbeats getting stuck with garbage" is the real question

>>63756337
I'm sure Gura wrote and visualized each and every segment of those animations and definitely didn't have any other forces influencing her or working on the projects!

>>63753042

Bae is absolutely workaholic

>>63751850
It's nice to finally have a stream monster

>>63756627
>Breaks down crying about how much work she has but was the one who willingly took it all on
Had an ex like this. Why are women like this?

>>63753467
Yeah true, that's why she was a loli on her rm. Retard

>>63756556
Yes? it reads "Original idea: Gawr Gura" after all. Are you retarded nigga?

>>63751850
It doesn't matter
https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/pages/hololivecloset
hololive closet arclics- EN
Mori Calliope Casual Outfit 130 $11.00 $1,430.00
Takanashi Kiara Casual Outfit 82 $11.00 $902.00
Ninomae Ina'nis Casual Outfit 166 $11.00 $1,826.00
Gawr Gura Casual Outfit 271 $11.00 $2,981.00
Watson Amelia Casual Outfit 135 $11.00 $1,485.00
Ceres Fauna Casual Outfit 169 $11.00 $1,859.00
Ouro Kronii Casual Outfit 111 $11.00 $1,221.00
Nanashi Mumei Casual Outfit 235 $11.00 $2,585.00
Hakos Baelz Casual Outfit 129 $11.00 $1,419.00
$15,708.00

>>63753770
This year, Gura streamed less than Raden who debuted, like, a month ago. Grim.

>>63754030
I love my geneticaly engineered perfect blacksmith oshi

>>63751850
The crazy thing about Biboo's numbers is that's only for her channel. This chick also shows up to almost every open VC and joins collabs without her PoV quite often. Truly built different like Kaela. I kneel.

quality over quantity
enjoy watching apex and valorant

>>63757553
That's some quality sponsored streams alright

>>63753467
>If Gura had a different, older age model
Gura is okay with her design and she doesn't usually have a problem with degenerate humor. When it comes to merch like the daki though it was 100% designed by management because coomerbait merch earns Cover a huge amount of money. After the contract renewals in the winter of 2022 Myth seems to have made a deal where they gave Cover more licensing power since they have been shoveling out merch in 2023 including merch items that wouldn't normally get approved.

>>63757553
Reading wikipedia cliff notes some manager pulled out for her on a shill stream while watching the clock to meet that 1 hour requirement mark, then wrap things up with 5 minutes of zatsu telling you she hates streaming. Very quality indeed.

>>63757621
better than anything Bijou has ever put out
hint: guess who has the best growth in holoEN?
it's not advent, it's Mumei. Someone who streams the least in EN
# of streams doesn't matter, it's actually a hindrance to the algorithm.

>>63751850
you need to consider that new talents stream more the first year those are not their final numbers.

>>63757443
>random hopeless streamer playing /v/ slop all day long, its just that she has the Hololive add-on that generates some money for her when doing so installed
>he calls that "built different"

grim. the world is really doomed

>>63757723
oh there you go, the jealous chumbie shows his true form

I miss when a vtuber who was definitely not Gura would make goofy meme songs.

Biboo is cuter, funnier and she sure streams a lot.
Chumkeks need to oshihen

>>63757790
>>63757807
oh look, it's the advent zoomers.
gyatt for rizzler xddd so funni
go watch minecraft #400 or dark souls copy #10000
very interesting streams im sure

>>63757773
Another sad day being a jealous niji/stars sister dedicating your time to trying to tear down hardworking cute girls. I know it's tough. /comfort

>>63752786

>>63752987
Active and dedicated to themselves, which is the reason for most of the criticism they receive. Not everyone can support 60+ Holos equally and if everyone were to only dedicate themselves to the "most active and dedicated", then Hololive would cease to exist and just be unconnected channels in the general vtuber ecosystem. People who support Hololive are valuable because they support Hololive itself, so their inhouse criticisms are often directed at Holos who don't support Hololive. There's also the Holos that are just disliked because people here don't like their content. Kiara and Mori have often fallen into one or both of those categories.

>>63757842
holy mindbroken by 1 animation done by a fan kek

>>63753652
hello pemaloe

>>63757889
go back to /v/ with your buzzwords

>>63753770
>Kaela: 2033.2 Hours
>Koyori: 1910.2 Hours
>Watame: 1100.7 Hours
>Luna: 1023.9 Hours
>Lui: 973.5 Hours
Powerhags

>>63751850
she will need to make up 90 hours in 2024 its fine.

>>63758069
stay seething about other holos because your oshi hates you anon
When was the last Gura's members stream again? How is movie may going?

>>63756700
she wants to give her best for her fans, because she feels like she doesn't deserve it.
so failing to do it, breaks her.

>>63758171
calling us out for following her is such low hanging fruit and then you get upset when I fight back?
go fuck yourself
if I wanted to watch someone just for the sake of watching someone i'd switch but I actually care about quality

>>63751850
But anon, by her putting in less hours but getting paid the same she's increasing her rate of earning. Ad of now she's effectively making $5,000/hr. When she reaches her goal of 0 hours for an entire year she'll be making $∞/hr.

>>63758256
well that's dumb

>>63753865
>>63754030
the question is how the fuck koyori can compete with kaela in this specific area

>>63757919
>imagine if they reach 1m before mumei does

>>63758361
they won't. they will settle down at around 700/800k since that is about the peak of the box

>>63758256
>she is only bad because she is good
the most rational thinking chumbud ladies and gentlemen

>>63758306
Gura doesn't provide quality though.

Strong rock :D she is the one who deserves the throne, not gura

>>63758438
falseflagging chumbie

>>63758343
Sleep is stored in the tits

>>63758343
DId Koyori ever talk about her sleep schedule? I'm very curious now

>>63758072
They're putting the energy that would have gone into their family into their job instead. Married women stream less.

>>63757773
Splendid anon, you described Gura perfectly, except change "all day long" to "sometimes a year".

One of the aquarium shows is called "Sparkling of Life" and we know that one song is not enough to cover the whole thing
https://youtu.be/Jswnz3H2mpk?t=122
at least she has been working on an album and a 3D live, hopefully they will be sharing the info with us on December 18th

>>63757723
>bijou out of nowhere

>>63758427
??

>>63758748
Chumkeks are absolutely mindbroken about the superior loli.

>>63756556
I'm glad we agree, you'd be retarded to think otherwise. Marine notoriously had a big fight with management just to approve Maribako, wouldn't be surprised if Gura also had at least to go through some back and forth before getting it approved.

>63758306
>>>> quality
lmao

Chumbuds always cope with quality > quantity when they get neither kek

>>63758704
Gura built the holoEN brand from the ground up
Bijou is reaping the rewards

>>63758815
>can't sing
>isn't even a better gamer
what is she superior in?

>>63759038
so much for that and she's already burned the fuck out, when other holos are going strong for 6+ years
Can't even be bothered to communicate anymore

>>63759038
No, it was the entire wave you retarded Chumretard
Gura is just a mascot these days for shilling streams

>>63759079
she streams

>>63759191
i don't care

>>63759138
whatever you say boomer

>>63759273
Gura is truly the Justin Biber of Vtubing.

>>63757163
Keep posting your made up numbers.

>>63759273
When was this? I remember seeing that post a very long time ago back when I liked gura, the good ol' times

>>63759079
Everything is superior to merchslop stream every few months.

>>63759138
There would be no BiJew without Gura

>>63757553
I mean far from defending those ahit games but the last gura stream I watched she was playing a washing car / backyard game

>>63758343
Koyori's numbers are actually much more impressive, considering she's in like every live, project, main channel shit on top of just streaming.

>>63759079
stick to watching your gura streams copebud

still not gonna drop her
keep crying

>>63752745
>>63752803

number of streams (without members/shorts/MVs released):
>Mori 232
>Kiara 190
>Ina 124
>Gura 34
>Ame 131

>IRyS 116
>Fauna 164
>Kronii 103
>Mumei 117
>Bae 202

>Shiori 79
>Bijou 122
>Nerissa 93
>FWMC 170

>>63757163
Is there a webpage to show the numbers for JP?

How can chumkeks see these raw numbers and unironically think that everything is ok? Literally less than 2/3rds streaming time compared to members of Advent and Regloss this year lmao.
I think Cover is just delaying the inevitable graduation, I mean really, think about it. She's hardly streamed this year, she's mostly done collabs on other channels and no POV, then there's the few projects and sponsor shit that she's done recently too. Her merch ships out early next year in February/March and the next Holofes is within the same time frame, so she's likely gonna be gone next year after her merch ships and she does the big event. Like seriously, do people really think she's gonna get any better after this year? All signs are pointing to Gura just being a holdout on leaving for when its most convenient financially

>>63761148
member streams for 2023
>Mori 19
>Kiara 21
>Ina 8
>Gura 8
>Ame 10

>IRyS 14
>Fauna 22
>Kronii 17
>Mumei 14
>Bae 17

>Shiori 5
>Bijou 7
>Nerissa 7
>FWMC 8

someone more autistic than me can add it to the non-member stream count, but it seems to put Mori even more ahead

>>63761148
>>63761584
also, there's a total of 260 working days in 2023, so everyone who put out at least 260 streams would provide at least a stream a working day, effectively
Mori seems to be the closest out of the ones that were around for the entire year at 251

>>63761449
Gura is staying. She’s throwing away LITERAL free money if she leaves and the Asians who run Cover are too cucked to ever put their foots down.

>>63754305
https://news.yahoo.com/report-shares-concerning-reason-why-150000056.html#:~:text=According%20to%20InsideTheMagic.com%2C%20“,than%20a%20thriving%20tourist%20destination.

Bro what are you talking about? Almost everything about disney is down. The only difference is Gura is still giving what people want just a lot less while Disney actively stopped doing that

>>63751850
>no streams
>Still sells the most merch
Who needs saving?

>>63761584
Damn Council really has that many more member streams compared to Myth lol, Kiara/Mori fucking carrying their gen. Shrimps be like "oh Gura is just busy", ok well that doesn't seem to stop someone like Mori who actually consistently puts out projects and shit from doing her streamer duties

>saving a millionare

>>63751850
The answer is the same in all these cases, including lazy people in real life. Make them work at a packaging/shipping job like UPS or fedex for a year and they will finally appreciate what they have in life.

>>63761692
If Gura only cared about money then she would be doing so many more sponsored shit, but she doesn't. Gura never cared about the money, she just wanted a chill streaming job that she could treat as a side gig but she ended up becoming literally the most well-known vtuber

>>63761645
And Mori is just your favorite horse in the imaginary race, you have never had the commitment to watch her streams on a regular basis and probably couldn't care less if she graduated from Hololive

>>63761857
I'm pretty sure most of EN didn't come from money or anything, they all probably worked shitty jobs. Its just that some of them let the success and newfound income get to them to the point where we are now, why put in any effort if they have fans that coddle them and an easy passive income of thousands of dollars per month

>>63761743
>Who needs saving?
The people who have the funny shark living rent free in their heads and seething about her 24/7. Seriously, these people need help, obsessions like these are not healthy.

>>63761944
More like shrimps are the mentally ill ones thinking that they are "winning" and blind to the obvious of her problems. Fucking retard

>>63761943
There's a difference between a shitty job, and a SHITTY job like shipping facilities. You're exactly what I'm talking about. You have no clue how fucking shitty working places like fedex are. They unironically are so awful they motivate you to either improve yourself to get the fuck out of there, or if you're truly stuck there for life it motivates you to commit suicide.

>>63761863
>couldn't care less if she graduated from Hololive
so he's a normal Hololive watcher?

>>63762053
Bro I worked a shitty retail job from high school until I was 20 barely making 11$ an hour, you aren't the only person who had a truly shitty work experience lol

>>63762001
>thinking that they are "winning"
Did all the "we're winning!" shitposting really mindbreak you? You were not supposed to take it seriously anon, it's just funposting. You do type like an ESL retarded monkey though, I suppose it makes sense you'd fail to understand.

>>63762222
Proving my point. If you quit your "shitty" retail job and took a job at fedex or ups, you'd be on your knees begging your retail manager to take you back after a week.

>ITT: wageslaves seething at people doing better than them
lmao

>>63762001
The fuck do we care about her problems? She'll either stream or she won't. I'm starting to think legit chumbuds might be the least parasocial fanbase out there, considering how patient they are willing to be and don't try to dissect her problems. She'll stream or she won't, oh well.

You stop giving her financial gratification for doing nothing.

>>63761857
This comment sums up the problem with these jealous faggots/2views - they assume things, like "Gura is definitely a NEET". But in reality, Gura helps animals and people in need, grows plants, learns new skills, e.g. woodworking and cooking, bakes things and shares them, likes to go walking and watch documentaries, and most importantly, she doesn't need a lot of money for a humble life like that and probably hates receiving more as she doesn't know what to do with them. You could have criticized her for being stubborn at times though

>>63751850
Save her from... not having to work?

>>63761584
Fucking hell, I thought at least a couple people would have more than Fauna, it almost feels unreal. Stop making me praise her.

>>63752745
Only care for long streams if they're doing a lets play

>>63751850
Now post revenue per hour streamed

>>63756868
She's been scarred by the incel lolicon fans that Hololive brought en masse.

>>63756892
That could mean something as insignificant as her telling management "I want to be in an animation where I'm at the beach."

>>63761449
Cover and Gura both lose when she graduates. The only thing that will kill Gura merch sales are decades of time passing, or her officially no longer being part of Hololive.

If she requires a unique contract to remain "active" with no responsibilities, she will easily get it. If other Hololive members complain, Cover can say they can get the same deal when they make Cover as much money as Gura did.

>>63751850
maybe posting better threads would solve your issues

>>63751850
Literally all she has to do is stream to go straight back to the top of EN. Even just 1 hour three times a week. What the hell is she doing all the time, I can't imagine it's anything other than rotting at home playing vidya, so why not just turn on obs while she does it every so often? It baffles me why she do adamantly refuses and why Cover doesn't put their foot down at some point.

>>63761584
Kiara will finish the year with 24. If she sticks to her plans, she'll hold between 48-52 members streams next year

>>63761645
>260
My autistic breakdown is 4 weeks vacation for a nice job, so you're looking at 240 days. On top of that lets call it 4-5 weeks worth of travel work in Japan (which should still have some streaming) which is another 25 days off putting it at 215 days worth of streams. Now you have to factor in that sometimes they're also doing shit at home, which could range from some voice recording lines for an hour, to singing takes over and over for 3 hours, to signing merch stuff for 2. There's no real way to put in any numbers for this, so my gut says that anyone who isn't streaming over 150 days in a year (not even counting hours streamed) is being a shithead.

>>63751850
If gura didn't basically retire, mumei and kronii would get a lot more criticism for being lazy as fuck.

>>63757723
You know whose growth fucking tanked after she stopped streaming? Gura went from 10k new subs every other week to 10k new subs 2 months after she started ghosting again.

>>63774536
Well, yes, that's what channel abandonment looks like.
If she streamed once per 2 weeks even, she'd still be on her way to 5m.

>>63773665
Mumei is literally still in college

>>63768843
Cover can still sell Gura merch long after Gura graduates. They literally own the IP and can do whatever they want with it. They literally did it with Sana and I guarantee you that they will do it with any JP, ID, or EN that graduates. So no, Cover doesn't need Gura (the va).

>>63751850
Kiara's kinda crazy that she even streamed that much considering she flew to Japan likes 7 times this year.

>>63751850
It's almost scary how Mori doesn't know how to stop and do nothing for a week. Like if she sits still, she will physically fade away into dust.

>>63775198
Trolling, or ignorant of how important the "va" is?

>>63752013
She unironically had a doctor's note for her autism.

>>63751850
myth is so fucking dead

>>63752745
Sana.....

>>63752745
>one 12 hour stream per week.
Chumbuds can't even get that lol, imagine if she had enough dedication to do at LEAST ONE (1) 12h stream a week, that's not only good for western viewers but even eastern viewers would have roughly 6 hours to play with.

I guess it just depends on the streamer, in a situation like Chumbuds, Nakiri-gumi and whatever Shion calls her fans, 52 12h streams a year would be a godsend to what they're getting now, consistency in general is what fans like in the streaming capability of their oshi

>>63751850
what is there to save? It's her decision and chumbuds to support her actions. They love it.

>>63775404
Nah.
Gura has always been Gura, Ina has always been Ina, and Ame gave up last year.
Mori and Kiara keep chugging away though.

>>63756124
>she doesn't want to be a chuuba anymore.
She barely wants to be one in Hololive either.
>Horfhorf I remembered I'm supposed to be a streamer

>>63775583
hololive isn't a streaming company

>>63775943
It's not a dancing/singing company either

>>63756124
She won't ever officially leave. The fact that she started as the face of vtubing in EN for the casual anime fans means she will forever be sold and have goods.

>>63775583
Well yeah, that was my point. Hololive's the only place where she can slack off on streaming and still make a boatload of money. If she leaves, it certainly won't be to go stream somewhere else.

now make a chart for the males

>>63775943
Hololive literally isn't a company, it's a branding. Derp.

>>63766033
You say that as if Gura was a SC queen when she has literally always lagged considerably behind Mori and Kiara despite dwarfing their subs, and her anni stream made the least amount of money out of all of Myth's this year despite chumbuds having plenty of time to save up between streams

>>63751850
She doesn't want to be #1 anymore.
If you want to "save" her, promote whichever girl has the current greatest trajectory at overtaking her.

When that happens, then you might see Gura make a return.

>>63777630
Thing is, casual fans are more likely to buy goods which give more money to the streamer. I'm not saying that you're wrong, just that Gura has a ton of casual fans and that Mori and Kiara have built up an insanely loyal, but relatively small fanbase. Chumbuds don't care about streams because they aren't waiting for Gura like Mori and Kiara fans are. Sooner or later that will hit Gura's bottom line as casual fans move on and stop buying goods because she's not in their mind, but it hasn't fully hit yet.

>>63777630
Kiara often bitched about being poor, either she's a lying & ungrateful cunt, or she actually doesn't have a lot of money as the SC metrics are irrelevant, pick your poison

>>63777879
Do you want the actual answer or are you just going to make some shit up when I tell you why she recently was talking about money.

>>63777928
>recently
holy cope

>>63752987
If they suck at pokemon /vp/ hates them otherwise /vp/ is neutral.

Unless they're all Smogon fags

>>63753467
Uncomfortable truth for Cumbutts.

>>63759038
Gura capitalized on the work of Coco, Haachama, and translators. She didn't build shit.

>>63777879
Kiara spends money as fast as she makes it, she talked casually about accidentally going $10k in debt because of a purchase she made that she thought she already paid for, but she said it would be fine as soon as she got her next paycheck, along with buying a $12k mocap suit.

>>63780870
It wasn't a purchase. Her financial advisor helped her put a bunch of her money away in time shit, think stuff like CD's. They left her some money to play with which bought her tickets to Japan and paid for her stay + the suit + some other shit. Then her tax woman said "Woops, I fucked up and you owe another 12k than I calculated", and because most of her money is locked away, she didn't have enough to pay for it and had to take out a loan. She even talked about how she let that woman go because she did such a shit job this year.

>>63774874
didn't she take time off?

>>63781282
man, I can't imagine letting anyone manage my money for me, even if I had millions.