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Do VTubers cure your misogynist mindset? Or do they only worsen it? And why?

>> No.62644454

>>62644372
Worsen it. Seeing insufferably autistic women still able to succeed really makes it clear how shafted men are in modern neoliberal society. And then they have the gall to imply self improvement matters worth a damn.

>> No.62644555

No, realizing that MGTOW/PUA/all that nonsense rests on the premise of feminism, did.
I like Hololive.

>> No.62644578

>>62644454
Autistic male vtubers are popular too
See Kuzuha

>> No.62644620

>>62644372
I find myself growing more frustrated by the knowledge: what I like and enjoy is considered cute, desirable, and profitable but only if a woman does it. I don't think my interests are wrong, nor do I think women are wrong for enjoying my interests. I just feel slighted. Is that misogynistic? I'm upset women can more easily profit off my interests. I tried streaming for a year, built two vtuber models from scratch (they were goofy but they had some nice elements to them, they were far from bad since I took weeks to make them), I even branched into all sorts of niche interests; yet nothing came out of it. Meanwhile I saw women debut and already have 20x my popularity. Even if 90% of them were bots, horny indian men, and what have you; by sheer virtue of them being women did they get a better start.

Do women experience more unique issues compared to men when they stream? Probably. A woman mentioning a lover is an extreme debuff, while a guy can get away with having a lover no big debuff. But the counterpoint is that the "debuff" is really just them losing the bonus they got as a woman. Additionally, a woman has to deal with unicorns. You'll be subjected to conform to a unicorns' skewed worldview and any small deviance from that will net you an anti at best or an actual stalker at worst. But how common are true "unicorns" like that? Most of them will just shift their worldviews to accommodate you while dropping hundreds to thousands of dollars per month.

>> No.62644822

I only started watching them because my wife always has Kiara or Pomu on.

But she also played through MGQ because Pomu kept talking about it, so I'm actually deeply in the fairy's debt.

>> No.62645048

>>62644620
Male chuubas are cringe, simple as. Just be a fleshie

>> No.62645332

>>62644372
Worsen. Any time I see anything wholesome I just assume it's done for the audience, not genuine beliefs.

>> No.62645389

yes

>> No.62645440

>>62644372
I didn't grow in a broken household so I never had issues with women

>> No.62645641
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62645641

Vtubers made me like and respect women and female vtuber fans took that and threw it all out the window

>> No.62645660

I'm conflicted. Because sometimes they make me feel like women can be desirable, and maybe it'd be nice to be with one. And other times, they make me wonder what the fuck is wrong with women.

>> No.62645996

>>62645641
This but unironically

>> No.62646249

>>62645641
This

>> No.62646270

>>62644372
Anyone that has to look towards cartoon voice actors to change their minds on things is probably too far gone.

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>>62644372
My oshi is unironically not like other girls. So no, it hasnt. She's just an exception.

>> No.62646345

>>62644454
True this is why you should never improve yourself and just blame others for your problems and do nothing, its cery productive

>> No.62646556

>>62644454
Kind of hard to make that argument with Kuzuha and Leos and Niji EN before the fall. Male autism can make a shit ton, but having the right skills personality and work ethic is rare in general. Most people will just say "x group has it easier" and move on. True friendly autists will go do retarded shit until people find it charming.

>> No.62646651

>>62644372
I learned that women are actually better at sticking through with things than men. Also I got to see a lot of people in the fanbase act incredibly fatherless and basically treat vtubers as the parents they're rebelling against. Very sad, many such cases.
>>62645641
basically this

>> No.62647339

>>62645641
You liked Rosemi's off-collabs?

>> No.62647407 [DELETED] 

>>62646345
That's why we're here, isn't it?

>> No.62647903

>>62646270
>has to
do you know what those words mean?
maybe you meant
>anybody influenced by cartoon women on the internet
since the cartoon and internet part doesn't matter in the slightest(if you disagree you are a boomer who doesn't understand that 90% of socializing is done online nowadays and the cartoon part is literally not a factor), what you're really saying is
>anybody influenced by women
every single man has been influenced by women
if you disagree with that you are a schizo who doesn't know how people form personalities and how those personalities change them over time
tl;dr your autism isn't actually a gift

>> No.62647959

>>62644372
If you want to get permanent brain damage and trust issues, just try to visit female only forums

>> No.62648117

>>62644372
Both at once really, I no longer dislike them but I consider them less as people and more as pets one has to train

>> No.62648187

>>62647959
what happens if you visit them while already having brain damage and trust issues

>> No.62648516

>>62644372
Yes, but not in the way you'd expect.

I did not learn to respect women, I only learned that men are way worse and massive hypocrites on top of that.

>> No.62648739

>>62644372
It makes you less sexist and more racist.

>> No.62648788
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>>62644372
Why is your diary like this?

>> No.62649003

>>62644822
Who is this? I don't know much vtubers who have played MGQ.

>> No.62649138

>>62644372
Women should be heard and not seen.

>> No.62649446

>>62644372
I didn't, and still don't, have a misogynist mindset to start with.

>> No.62649572

>>62644372
I wasn't like that before watching vtubers.

>> No.62649615

>>62644372
All it did was prove my point that it's (((modern))) Western women that are the problem. And it's not just how women normally are. JP women are much better. Not perfect, but better, and it shows how much Western women have fallen.

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>>62644372
>>62644454
>>62644620
I think I'm just neutral on everything now. Sure, a girl can have an easier time collecting an audience with their real tits or a cute girl vtuber model, but it's not like they're all so fortunate or super lucky. Vtubers made me realize I'm okay with watching girls because they use the skin of a pretty anime girl model. Would I watch these girls if they DIDN'T have this model? Probably fucking not.

On one hand, a pretty model can make someone popular with that alone.
On the other hand, this means that boring ass girls who are terrible streamers won't really blow up as hard even with a pretty model, because their substance is completely missing. They may have somewhat of an audience, but they're probably not going to have an insane amount by simply being Ms. Sex. Not everybody can get by on sex appeal alone. There are examples of this, but not every girl is that fortunate. But a girl will certainly have an easier time of it.

Everyone's different, but I still don't think vtubers made me think any more or any less of girls. I just know they're dumb as shit, but hey, that goes for guys too.

>> No.62650953

Worsened by far. All these women complaining about playing video games for a living while streaming far less than the average wagie slaves away at work.

>> No.62651440

>>62644372
I like watching cute girls do cute things. But then something always comes up that reminds me that most women are Liars and Whores.
Vtubers just enforce the idea that the sole reason why women are put on earth is to please and to be subservient to men.

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>>62644372
YES, previously I thought women cannot be funny, like actually male high tier comedian funny, but now I know they can. THANK you hololive I actually hate women a LOT less (still hate those old gossip rosties in my office tho, but other women hate them too so it's daijobu...)

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>>62644372
It made me a misandrist. Using this board made me realize that the majority of men are deeply retarded faggots. Just actual sub room temperature IQ going on here. I always knew women were stupid but I think men might be stupider.

>> No.62651830

>>62649138
Based ASMR enjoyer

>> No.62651999

>>62644372
my chuuba of choice said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote

>> No.62652873

>>62644372
Lessened it in the short term, refined it in the long term.

>> No.62654100

>>62644372
Compared to the average anon I'm practically a feminist, so no, since I actually like women and always have. I'd make some lame quip about feeling the only heterosexual here sometimes, but it'd just weaken my statement, since the point is that I like women on a completely platonic level.

However, spending time on /vt/ certainly made me less misogynist. You can blame jealous 2views, luxiempus sisters and schizos all you want, but it's blatantly clear that much of the stereotypically feminine gossip going on here is done by men. Not that that's particularly surprising since I've always noticed the workplace gossip gang includes a man or two who for some reason get a pass from other men, but it really drives home how similar men and women can be even in something so stereotypical I held it up as a truth however exaggerated. And much like other men excusing the gossip guys at work, the hypocrisy and total lack of self-awareness annoys me. As much as projection is a meme, many posts here tell more about the poster than the chuuba they're supposed to be describing.

This applies to trolls too, since it takes some level of being absolute human trash to manage an interpretation as malicious as they regularly do. Not to mention the times when I've seen a troll start typing oddly emotional when their pet rrat is slaughtered by a timestamp or nobody actually cares about their pet peeve. In fact, I've started to suspect that many a troll does his thing because they're projecting their own emotional volatility to other anons, another stereotypically feminine trait that might actually get even more disgusting with men.

>> No.62654373

>>62644372
Yes. Now I'm misandrist

>> No.62654798

>>62644372
It made me realize that women are fantastic when they're part of a strict culture that encourages them to be pleasant and get along rather than to enter traditional male roles.

>> No.62654896

>>62644372
The whole VTubing shit just proves women all turn into psychopathic emotional predators if the have a manager/pimp giving them approval, no matter how autistic and socially inept. If anything, VTubers are one of the shittier sorts of person, usually female but male VTubers are a basket case too.

>> No.62655027

>>62646651
>women are better at sticking through with things a male manager tells them to do for the entirety of about 4 hours every 2 days that nets them a doctor's salary
No shit, I'd do that sort of "work" and stick with it too.

>> No.62655160

It did nothing to affect my opinion of women, which was already that they're worthless.
And unlike incels, I don't care about women as sex objects. I engage them as humans, and their humanity is completely lacking.
I can be friendly with them at work or in social situations. I can even flirt with them if they want it (yes, redditors, women often flirt with men that hate them). But they repulse me on a fundamental level.
I love tits and ass. I hate women.

>> No.62655245

>>62644372
Due to my biological essentialism, my perspective on women would generally be characterised as misogynist, but I don't actually hate women for being what they are. VTubers don't affect that, they only confirm it. It is interesting seeing them struggle, trying to resist their nature in order to please their audience, and ultimately failing. In that regard, I enjoy the content while it lasts and every time one of them falls, it only confirms my world view and enjoy the content the aftermath provides.

>> No.62655407

>>62644578
>male vtubers
Stopped reading here

>> No.62655564

>>62644372
What kind of "have you stopped beating your wife" ass question is that? I never hated women

>> No.62655583

>>62655245
>biological essentialism
Interesting, a retard in the wild.
Give me your thesis on how your biology compels you to watch tranime and play children's video games, retard.

>> No.62655874

>>62655583
A long time ago, on the African savannas, ancient aliens made our ancestors watch anime girls play video games. Only the ones who were into it were allowed to reproduce.

>> No.62656123

>>62644620
well, "cuteness" is a female quality, almost fundamentally.

>> No.62656306

>>62646345
true, and yet, it's fine when women do it, for some reason.

>> No.62656448

>>62655583
>Give me your thesis on how your biology compels you to watch tranime and play children's video games
I think it should be fairly obvious that these are surrogates for interpersonal relationships and doing meaningful things within society. They fill a void that the liberal capitalist society no longer provides.

>> No.62656665

>>62656448
>They fill a void that the liberal capitalist society no longer provides.
What formerly filled the void that is.

>> No.62657150

>>62656448
And what does "liberal capitalist society" no longer provide, retard?

>> No.62657331

>>62656448
Liberal capitalist society does indeed suck. Although to be fair, it provides us with your mom, at very reasonable prices

>> No.62657446

>>62657150
Many men are having a harder time finding relationships under the dating market conditions of modern societies - which is well-substantiated by empiric data. And when it comes to alienated labour conditions, bonds of tradition having been severed by market rationale, is this still being debated at this point? Marx already pointed it out and you'll find similar critiques in readings of Nietzsche, or if you're looking for a genuine right winger, consider Spengler.

>>62657331
If you can't reply to a sincere post with a sincere argument it only makes yourself look silly.

>> No.62657566

>>62657446
>Many men are having a harder time finding relationships under the dating market conditions of modern societies
That being said - it also applies to women, although for different reasons.

>> No.62657623

>>62657446
I was being 100% sincere.

>> No.62657691

>>62657623
And yet you can't come up with something which contradicts me. Haplessly trying to insult me, does not make the words that upset you go away.

>> No.62657697

>>62644372
>Do VTubers cure your misogynist mindset?
It made me realize that there are a lot of "hidden" women out there that are unironically different from the ones that get shitposted about on /pol/ or /r9k/.
I guess I came to the ultimate realization that NOT all women are the same. Also, I now have an obsession with hags.

>> No.62657736

>>62657691
What's there to contradict? Capitalism sucks, and so does your mom

>> No.62657765

>>62645641
>Vtubers made me like and respect women and female vtuber fans took that and threw it all out the window
Fucking kek this 100% unironically.

>> No.62657920

>>62657736
My main point was not that capitalism sucks - it has been reasonably good at what it was supposed to do; and it might as well be a necessary evil. But it nonetheless contributes to creating conditions that may yet end up eradicating us.

>> No.62658455

>>62657920
Your main point was something Hegel might have been forgiven for thinking, but nowadays, it should be obvious that capitalism is no damned good. You're just stringing together declinist narratives without any real cohesion to justify dumb reactionary shit. But nothing justifies that stuff.

>> No.62658665

>>62657446
>>62657566
Can the crash of humanity happen faster? It's happening too slowly.

>> No.62658724

>>62644372
>my soggy knee mindset
Nothing to change when it doesn't exist in reality.

>> No.62659154

>>62658455
>Your main point was something Hegel might have been forgiven for thinking, but nowadays, it should be obvious that capitalism is no damned good.
If the answer were that easy, capitalist nations would not be as successful as they are. So it clearly is no inhibitor of national wealth at a greater scale nor does it reduce the competitiveness of a nation - at least at short term. Long-term, things might be different but to claim things with such certainty is plain short-sighted. What you need to sincerely consider is that within the greater struggle between the nations, the capitalist nations might have an advantage over the non-capitalist ones, since they are able to allocate their resources more efficiently, providing stronger incentives for growth, etc. - if the result is that you find yourself at the mercy of others, it may not be in your interest.
Lastly, we find even countries with restricted capitalism, such as China, struggle with collapsing birthrates, since apparently capitalism is not the only factor here.

>to justify dumb reactionary shit
I think that's more you reading between the lines. I did not provide any solutions, I merely described the symptoms.

>> No.62659983

>>62659154
The arguments about capitalism's "superior resource allocation" actual academic economists have put forward are really stupid, and have nothing to do with real world conditions.

>> No.62660352

>>62659983
There are some interesting arguments made that Capitalism might not be the end of history yet, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People%27s_Republic_of_Walmart.. I'm merely saying: it may be a weapon that the nations cannot easily relinquish without having something comparatively performant in their back hand.

>> No.62661235

>>62657150
>>62656448
not capitalism, exactly, so much as modernity.

>> No.62661304

It cured it. I even look at homobeggars shitting on unicorn girls and think like god damn that was fucking me before.

>> No.62661503

My oshi posted audios of her getting fingered and fucked today. What do you think?

>> No.62661730

>>62661235
When it comes to the erosion of the transcendental, Marx made a pretty good point:

>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his 'natural superiors,' and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous 'cash payment.' It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

>The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers.

>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

It should be noted that Marx had an ambivalent relation to all of this, since in his dialectic view of history, all of this was a vital prerequisite to revolutionary conditions that would culminate - in quasi-Hegelian eschatology - in the end of history state of Communism.

However, when it comes to the issue of men being unable to find a partner it should be noted that this also happens in China. There is some good evidence that this is more tied to the relative social status of women in society, making them choosier. Capitalism plays a role in this in the sense that is incentivised to mobilise the productive potential of the female demographic, but you can obviously create comparable conditions even without a Capitalism environment.

>> No.62661997

>>62661730
>Capitalism plays a role in this in the sense that is incentivised to mobilise the productive potential of the female demographic, but you can obviously create comparable conditions even without a Capitalism environment.

*it incentivises
*Capitalist environment

>> No.62662095

lmao they actually did, i used to believe all women were boring as hell

>> No.62662193

>>62644372
It made me realize women are real people but it also made me realize that all of them are dumb as hell.

>> No.62662459

>>62661730
china is embedded in the globalized economy and is trying to grow fast, so there are still pressures to favor productivity due to this, now add One Child retardation and the resulting demographic ratio

for relative social status, according to your biological essentialist view itwill always be that reproducing women want men who are more productive than them. unless you do 1984 levels of propaganda and societal rewrite.

>> No.62662466

>>62661730
For both Hegel and Marx, necessity was nomological tendency. Calling it a vital prerequisite makes it sound more mystical than it was.

>> No.62663034

>>62662459
>according to your biological essentialist view itwill always be that reproducing women want men who are more productive than them.
Yes, and as I said, there is good evidence to back this. e.g. when it comes to very productive women expecting their future husbands to have a comparable income, or the fact that giving a woman a raise increases the likelihood of her divorcing her husband. Existing marriage market mismatches also are a pretty strong indicator, e.g. compare the performance metrics of married men to the unmarried men and you'll usually find the married men to significantly outperform the unmarried men, which implies that there simply are not enough men left in society who meet those requirements. If women marry upwards the social hierarchy, then social equality rules out a large number of men as viable partners.

>unless you do 1984 levels of propaganda and societal rewrite
I don't think this is possible. I think there is good evidence for this to be evolved behaviour. You can't brainwash women into becoming attracted to those they deem beneath them.

>> No.62663565

>>62662459
>One Child retardation and the resulting demographic ratio
I should add: while this is indeed a problem, you also find many 'leftover women', who are often well educated but end up unable to find a partner. The reason for this is very often that their own raised social status that comes having a degree and a respectable job, inflates their sense of status, making them expect a man of comparable status. The problem is: they are competing for those with younger, often less educated women - especially since women typically outperform men when it comes to overall number of graduates in higher education. And if they can't find a partner who meets their standards, they typically remain single - celibate even. You can find similar patterns in Iran or India, or South Korea for that matter. Conservatives often argue that it is a lack of religion, marriage, porn consumption, etc. that is responsible for plummeting birthrates, but it happens even in these comparatively 'traditional' societies among certain demographics.

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>>62663034
To round this up with some further evidence: the Baby Boom happened at a period where men were significantly outcompeting women in terms of educational attainment and income. Women were willing to marry younger (and marry younger men in their twenties - opposed to established men in their thirties) and have children earlier. It should be noted that men did not become 'richer', they were not able to support a family 'better' during that period, they merely held greater 'relative' status. But nowadays this is obviously an impossibility to recreate. It seems women are more suited for academic pursuits - even in comparatively patriarchal countries, ruling out for there to be some kind of 'liberal' bias. Perhaps not necessarily in terms of productive output but at least in terms of overall numbers of graduates.

>> No.62664905

>>62664291
if women are more suited to academic pursuits then the development of a white collar economy (capitalist or not) will eventually lead to enough stratification by gender and resulting social mismatch to destabilize fertility, right?

>> No.62665247

>>62664905
I think so. Unless of course you manage to create different status hierarchies. e.g. educational attainment is not the only kind of social status there is. While having a degree raises your social status, so does becoming fairly wealthy. The issue is obviously: the two are usually tied. Most people who become wealthy also do well in school - not all, and those who are wealthy will have little trouble finding a partner even if they dropped out - but in general that is what happens. Education is not the only factor but a pretty big one, since women do well when it comes to it and it awards them social status.

There actually is a recent paper currently undergoing peer review, from Harvard nonetheless (which makes it even more surprising, given the barrage of redpills it casually drops): https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/pve8u

It is formally about coalitional bargaining tactics, which is also an interesting subject matter, but the introduction itself, quoting several papers to back its point, has already quite a bit of weight and will certainly force the reader to swallow every now and then.

>> No.62665377

>>62665247
>While having a degree raises your social status, so does becoming fairly wealthy.
I should add: obviously good looks, fame, etc. also award social status; there is a multitude of things that come into play here, predicting a fraction of the variance of whether a man is considered a good match.

>> No.62665955

>>62644372
Neither, but sometimes they can be a nice reminder that there actually are nice women that I would willingly talk to, and that it's just the women in my life who are shitty. Society's current issues with men and women are mostly irrelevant to that fact.
>Hurrdurr you think vtubers represent real women?
Yes. Usually not at first, but the mask always slips eventually, for better and for worse.

>> No.62666233

>>62665377
variability hypothesis, demand for strength (labor, warfare), and differential educational attainment would push towards the economic equilibrium of small male upper class, female middle class, broad male lower class, right?
but mating equilibria means lower birth rates in this, which necessitates immigration (skilled labor legally, and unskilled labor quasi-legally)
With looks/attractiveness there's also the female rating male (stranger vs non-stranger) and male rating female distributions as well, which is a negative pressure in atomized society (and also society with lots of local perceived alternatives for young women)

>> No.62666820

>>62666233
>variability hypothesis
I think you might also be interested in this paper here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.04184

But yes, I believe you are correct.

>> No.62667556

>>62666233
>>62666820
>necessitates immigration
Also, I have this idea that immigration is seen more benevolently by women than men since it brings in a batch of new men into the country, as immigration largely implies young men migrating, with a perceived likelihood that a high status man (or a man who has the prerequisites to yet become a high status man) might be among them, whom they may yet claim for themselves as a partner. Similar to men, women perceive the dating market as fiercely competitive, since they are competing for a relatively small group of men, so the idea of introducing more men to the pool appeals to them intuitively. Obviously, many of these new arrivals will have a hard time finding a partner, since they might not possess the ability to attain the status the local women seek (which applies to low-skilled immigration), or may not meet their standards in terms of attractiveness (which applies to many of the higher skilled men), which only further increases the competitiveness of the dating market.

>> No.62669675

>>62656448
The collapse of society due to feminism and the equality movement denying the reality of women desiring men of higher status and not even seeing those who are equal.
Vtubers are one form of its expression, filling the void this has created, although there is more to it.

Nothing we can do about it. Might as well enjoy it!

>> No.62669936

>>62669675
Yes, but it is advisable to keep ones expectations at bay. Outrage is fine, for the drama, but one should keep in mind that one is dealing with real people after all, who are ultimately driven by the same mechanisms that drive everyone else.

>> No.62670264

>>62644372
They make my misogyny worse but pekora and nene heal it

>> No.62670329

>>62667556
it is obvious to me that disadvantaged men see immigration poorly. the bigger effect is on wage competition, but narratively manifests as a hegelian other corrupting their women (a la dracula)
Women seeing it positively on the flip side makes sense now that I think about it.
and thanks for the papers

>> No.62670889

>>62667556
one testbed for your theory is acceptance of ukrainian vs syrian refugees. there may be a cultural/religious component but the gender demographics seem to matter to people anecdotally

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>>62644372
mostly the issue is there's no women with good interests in real life
like these people don't actually exist

>> No.62671461

>>62670329
Yeah, the role of the immigrants in that regard is peculiar. It is not just in terms of immigration but one can see it manifest in established minorities in the US as well, e.g. with regard to cuckold porn. They might manifest as this bogeyman in the eyes of conservatives, but factually - if we actually look at the numbers - we find non-white men to do poorly with white women, since they often don't meet their standards in terms of success or their ideas of what a handsome man looks like. In Europe too, for every tall and handsome Mohammed there are ten, short and hairy Ahmeds who are terminal incels, even if they might not identify as such due to not being terminally online. However, the impression of the 'other' taking one of 'their' women obviously leaves a more lasting impression, perhaps even concealing the actual issue to some extent. In general, there is a Marxist dimension to the whole dating situation, but the Marxists tend to be dating Libertarians, so they are very cautious to apply their toolset, lest it reveal something about reality they might disapprove of.

>> No.62671736

>>62671461
>there are ten, short and hairy Ahmeds who are terminal incels
It should be noted that this is alleviated to some extent due to the more patriarchal culture they manage to retain, at least for one or two generations, where arranged marriages are still a thing and most of all, acceptance for prostitution for a man to relieve himself is much greater, but as they become naturalised and they lose their cultural idiosyncrasies, things get worse for them.

>> No.62671863

>>62644372
Why would it be better? They cater to the demographic that view women horribly lmao.

>> No.62672015

>>62670889
Yes, although the Ukraine situation has been heavily memed as this struggle for western values, etc. - maybe in Poland, where they received the largest batch of refugees as far as I know. I'll have to look into this. But in general, I think this would most of all manifest over time, as people would take note of whether it's mostly men or women crossing the border.

>> No.62672084

Watching Kiara has made me sympathize with crazy women, just a little bit, because they can't help it.
They're still crazy though, and need correcting.

>> No.62672088

>>62671863
>They cater to the demographic that view women horribly lmao.
It's a mutual relationship.

>> No.62674159

>>62669936
Vtubers are nice from this perspective because they care about us.
Things should usually work out fine with some time.

>> No.62674744

>>62665247
the paper has some good stuff
However, it generally frames women not being matched as good for them (which evopsych would say is probably false)
also,
>Presumably, incels are not lamenting their plight that plenty of women are willing to have casual sexual encounters but none is willing to commit to marriage.
Very false for multiple reasons which are even discussed in the paper

The collective bargaining framing is also a bit off, the resulting behaviors in mass do resemble that but the causality is a bit different, it's more emergent from the conditions regarding the marketplace

>> No.62674866

>>62644372
getting into vtubers has only amplified my nascent madonna complex.

>> No.62676506

This thread increased my lack of respect for incel political economy.

>> No.62677312

>>62656448
>muh capitalism
You dont even know what that word means sweetie

>> No.62677352

>>62644372
Yes, they cure it.
Women irl are hypergamous, malicious, insidious, judgmental, passive, and boring. Women make me hateful and depressed.
Vtubers, on the other hand, are rather humble, gentle, wholesome, proactive, fun and funny. They make me smile and laugh, they inspire me. Vtubers are great.

>> No.62677519

>>62644372
basing your opinion of women's worth on the behavior of vtubers is like forming your opinion on dogs using chihuahuas as reference

>> No.62678001

>>62672088
Well yeah. I didn't mean to imply it wasn't.

>> No.62678310

>>62651513
That pic made me think I had it selected so I clicked several times to unselect it but all was in vain as it wasn't ever selected to begin with.
Well played, sir. You fooled me. Most mischievous, I admit.

>> No.62678895

>>62677352
Btw, your question implies misogyny is a disease, which isn't. It's just a natural reaction to women's unfettered bullshit.
So rather than "cure it", like other anons said, they temper it and refine it. They assuage my hatred.

>> No.62679462

>>62644372
If you're aware about what's going on at all with society right now, much worse. Women have it so easy that they can hide behind an avatar and still have thousands of men throwing money at them and wanting to marry them.
They have no reason to get married either, because it's more profitable to string these men along instead. We have to return to normal male-female relationships.

>> No.62679912

I’ve never hated women but being on /vt/ has made me hate men.

>> No.62680037

>>62679912
I just hate everyone.

>> No.62683826

>>62646306
good for you

>> No.62686460

You know, whatever I thought I was going to write, this sums it up better: >>62645641

>> No.62686519

>>62656123
>"cuteness" is a female quality
Cute boys in denial.

>> No.62686685

>>62644372
Some of the most popular streamers are males. 2 of my literal who friends started streaming on twitch (as fleshtubers) and went from being low 2views to having almost 2k ccv and earning some pretty decent pocket money.
Skill issue, get good and stop crying incel.

>> No.62687261

>>62686685
You don't have any friends sister, stop larping.

>> No.62688305

>>62644372
They made me hate women more. The amount of absolutely mind numbingly retarded decisions I've seen vtubers make then smugly condescend to the people telling them it's a bad idea is to many to count.

I don't want to hate women, but women sure seem to want me to.

>> No.62688708

>>62644454
>Felling jealous of woman
Jesus Christ how pathetic. Either grow some balls or just end yourself already.

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